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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
Monday morning. Quarterback Albert Breer kind enough to join us
live today and well, breaking news. We're setting it up
for you at first tea. So the lad just saw
this by Matt Harmon tweeted this the last four quarterbacks
taken first. Overall, all four of their coaches have been
fired Urban Frank Reich, Matt Eberflus, Brian Callahan. All four
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have been fired during the rookie season. So I watched
the Raiders Titans. It was a pretty lifeless performance. Did
the team kind of quitting in? What do you hear?
Speaker 2 (01:01):
Well?
Speaker 3 (01:01):
First of all, now you see why there are stories
like Baker Mayfield and Sam Donald with that fact that
he just doing laid out right, Like a lot of
these guys go to bad situations. It's no wonder they
don't make it their first shot. Yeah, I mean, I
think this was just sort of where the team was going.
I don't know that anybody quit on Brian Callahan, you know,
but certainly they looked lifeless at several different points over
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the first month and a half of the season.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
They've got a new general manager in there, and.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
This is starting to feel with that organization column like
the chase, like the cat chasing the tail. I just
tweeted this out. I'll take it through the timeline in
twenty two. They December twenty two, they fired John Robinson
as their GM.
Speaker 4 (01:41):
They hire rand Carthon to replace him.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
A year after that, they fire Mike Rabel, They promote
Chad Brinker from assistant GM over Ran Carthon, They hire
Brank Brian Callahan as head coach. A year after that,
they fire Ran Carthon, bring on, bringing Mike Borgonzi. And
now just nine months after that they're firing Brian Callahan.
So clearly there are some issues at the top here,
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and you know, I think number one right now is
how you're going to create the right environment for your
young quarterbacks so you don't become another one of these
cautionary tales like look at what Sam Donald had to
deal with early in his career. Look at what Baker
Mayfield had to deal with early in his career. Obviously
those guys were going to benefit from being in better situations.
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If you're the Titans right now, job number one is
to make sure that you're not the next to those
cautionary tales. And obviously they've given themselves some runway here
to figure out who their ex head coach is going
to be.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
Okay, speaking of that, the Jets yesterday look good. Not
just Donald, Justin Fields last year in Pittsburgh pretty redeemable.
They pay him thirty guaranteed. Yesterday there were times in
the second half and I wouldn't do this often. I
would have taken him out he had time, he froze.
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Like this organization, if they get the number one pick,
I think I'd stay in college. I mean, what do
you do? This has a Freddie Kitchens feel where it's
just like this doesn't work, they're doing nothing. Well, what
do you do with the Jets.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
I'm a little stunned that it looks the way that
it does and that they look listless as they have,
Like yesterday was the first representative performance they've gotten from
the defense, right Like they actually played decent on defense
after allowing around thirty points a game over the first
five weeks this season.
Speaker 4 (03:29):
And that's a defense, by the way, that played.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
Well under Robert Sala and has representative talent Quentin Williams,
Jermaine Johnson, will McDonald, Quincy Williams, Jamine Sherwood, Sauce Gardner,
guys they paid guys that were drafted in the first
round that all over the defense, the offensive line, they've
invested in. They've got good players up front now, even
with the injury to OLIVERA. Tucker, Garret Wilson, Brece Hall like,
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there are good players on the roster. And this does
not feel like what Aaron Glenn walked into in Detroit
when he was Dan kim Most defensive coordinator four years ago.
Speaker 4 (04:02):
So it's really tough.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
To explain why they've been so listless through through through
six weeks. And you know, certainly, I think you know,
looking back on what happened in Detroit in twenty twenty
one gives you the roadmap for getting out of it.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
Right.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
They started that year zho to nine ten and one.
They wound up going three and three in their last
six games. It gave them a lot of hope, but
I would say that like early on in Detroit we
saw more fight. I think the what we're seeing from
the Jets right now. So they got to get it
turned around. And again, like I think that if you're
Aaron Glenn, you're hanging your hat on. I'm going to
create some excitement in December and January for where this
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team is going in twenty twenty six, because again, I
don't think they're devoid of talent. I think if you
look at that roster, you see a lot of good players.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
Okay, I got to tell you Philadelphia, the Fawcet broke.
It was a drip, drip, drip, the Fawcet broke. I
know they're banged up on the offensive line, but go
look at what Mac Jones did and Baker Mayfield are
doing over the last three weeks with beat up teams.
I mean, Justin Herbert is pulling rabbits out of a hat.
They got a third string everything, And I look at Philadelphia,
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I don't want to hear about it. They have more
depth than anybody in the league. Could they make a
coordinator change in the middle of a season because it's
not working.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
I'd be surprised, you know, although you know Nick Sirianni
did you know turn over his staff a couple of
years ago. You remember they lose Shane Stycke and Jonathan
Yann after that Super Bowl and they made the change
for Seawan to side and Matt Patricia in the middle
of the twenty twenty three season.
Speaker 4 (05:34):
I think it was right.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
And then they fired Brian Johnson their offensive coordinator after
that year, went with new coordinators and Fangio and Callen
Moore in twenty four and we know the rest. So
they haven't been shy about doing these things in the past.
It would surprise me on offense, although I do think
they've got an identity crisis right now on that side
of the ball. If they did that to Kevin Patulo
after he paid his due is the way that he
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did to work his way into that role. I think
they're going to give him some time to figure it out. Obviously,
the run game hasn't been the same as it was
last year, and that bar was set really high, and
I think what you're seeing now is part of the
reality with Jalen Hurts, very good quarterback, but he's not
the same guy when the run game isn't working the
way that it was in twenty twenty four, and so
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they got to find a way to get that run
game going.
Speaker 4 (06:20):
And then you know again, I.
Speaker 3 (06:21):
Think after that happens, a lot of other things fall
into place. But it does feel like there's a little
bit of an identity crisis or when they've struggled with
the run game, they've gotten away from it a little bit,
and that's where I think they get tangled up and
look a little bit dysfunctional on offense.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
Okay, trading deadline is coming up. You know, there's let's
talk good teams. I think the Rams could use a corner.
I think the charge. I'll tell you this, I'll throw
this out. If you're the Chargers, knowing Joe Waltz coming back, yeah,
go get a swing tackle regardless, because this is not
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just about winning games. It's about protecting Justin Hart. I
let's talk Chargers. If you're Harball, Denver now is winning ugly?
Kansas City looks legit, I mean, Harball. I wonder if
they don't make a move Quinton Johnson didn't play, what
are the Chargers do when you're worried about I mean,
good God, look at Herbert. He's getting hit fifteen times
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a game. What do you do there?
Speaker 4 (07:19):
All Right, So you're.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
Gonna get you know, Amari and Hampton back, You're gonna
get Joe alt back, like you said, you're gonna get
Quinton Johnston back, right. I think you have to assess
your your debts at the tackle position. It's hard to
find offensive lineman Colin you know as well as I do.
There aren't enough of them to go around. And if
you have good ones, you sign them, you keep them, right.
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But I think that the Chargers do have to consider this.
Here's the reason why. Like I think anybody in this
situation will consider it. Why is it more important for
the Chargers. I think this is a little bit like
the Giants fifteen or twenty years ago, where so much
of their identity ran behind that defensive line, right, Like
playing without Joe Alton Mrshawn's is almost like if those
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Giants teams had to play without straighthan human you are
and talk all at once, right, Like, It's just that
was the personality of the team.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
It was the strength of the team.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
It's why Jerry Reeves kept feeding that part of the
team because he knew if I lose one of these guys,
I can't that can't become a weakness. It has to
be a strength. And they've invested so much in making
that offensive line what it was coming into the year.
Then they lose for Shawn Slater, and so I don't
think they'll be afraid to overinvest in the offensive line
because same way those Giants teams are identity rans with
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the defensive line, the identity is Chargers team runs to
the offensive line. I just think it's really tough to
find guys at those positions in season because if you
have good ones, you're not letting them.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
Go, Hey, I'm gonna throw this at you Chicago Washington tonight.
So I think that I said this before the USC
Michigan game with Notre Dame on deck, USC had to win,
and after getting pushed around by Illinois, they had to
win physical check check. They did. Chicago comes out of
a buy, Okay, you can't come out of a buy
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and have operational problems with your offense. Like I think
this is a real test for Caleb and Ben privately.
And this is where you come in. Albert Burr joining
us for the radio audience Monday morning Quarterback, You could
lose tonight, but you better look the part off of bye.
If you're Caleb, what are you hearing in Chicago?
Speaker 3 (09:27):
I'm excited to see what they look like tonight, actually,
because I think for the Bears having the early buy,
most teams hate having to buy that early, right, because
that means, all, right, now, we got to play twelve
or thirteen weeks in a row, and that's tough, right,
Like as the season goes on. I think in the
first year of Ben Johnson's program, the Bears almost looked
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at it as a little bit of an advantage because
of the teaching progression with Caleb and the rest of
the offense, right, And you and I have been over this.
We went over in the summer where Ben was trying
to feed Caleb with a fire hose early in the year,
which was which is why at the beginning of training
camp it didn't look very good, Like, let's see what
he can handle and over the course of time will
narrow down what we're giving him, We'll figure out what
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he's doing well, and we'll lean into that. And so
you know, having the early buy gives them the chance
to have an early reset where they could look at
the first five weeks of this season and say okay,
or the first four weeks this season and say, okay,
here's what we did well, here's what we didn't do well,
and here's what we're going to be offensively over the
last thirteen weeks of this season. So tonight's the first
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chance we get to see it. I think we are
going to see some moving parts there as far as
what they look like over the first month versus what
they look like now. And I'm with you, like I
think that this is an opportunity for them to clean
up a lot of the things that went wrong over
the first four weeks, and you would hope this is
going to be the start of the completion of what
their identity is going to be for the rest of
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the season, and that they have had that chance to
look at what they do well and what they don't
do well.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
Okay, So Brian Callahan and fired for the record Mike
McDaniel toa called out apparently the staff again after that game.
I think McDaniel would get a job in five minutes
as a coordinator. I think certain guys that maybe not
have that classic alph a little bit more beta personality
make them great coordinators. Do you think Miami makes a
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move on their coach in the near future?
Speaker 3 (11:25):
So like, I'm not like, I would never advocate for
an owner of going and checking in on his locker room,
right like, because I think that undercuts the head coach.
You're basically creating an appeals court if you do that,
right right. I think Mark Davis did it with Josh
McDaniels a couple of years ago, and it wound up
resulting in the hire of Antonio Pierce that was based
on what really three guys thought it was Josh Jacobs,
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DeVante Adams and Max Crosby and low and Behold, less
than a year later, two of those three guys were
off the roster. They weren't even there anymore, right, So,
I don't think you want to do that. But I
think if you are upper management Miami is that you
get a pulse for the locker room and you're creative
and finding a way to figure out where where the.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
Locker room is at.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
On Mike McDaniel, I love Mike McDaniel as an offensive coach.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
Here's the thing.
Speaker 3 (12:12):
That first player's only meeting, right, That first player's only
meeting happened after the opener. That was alarming how early
that happened. That got the attention of a lot of
other coaches around the league, right and now for your
quarterback to stand up there and offer up that these
are almost irregular occurrence, right Like how casually he said,
like our players only meetings, like guys are being late
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to them, like they're happening all the time. Now, I
think would concern me, And the other thing would concern
me here, Colin, just as far as the makeup of
your locker room and your team is, Like your quarterback
is getting up there and saying this stuff and saying like, well,
players are late, Like what are we going to do?
This is a guy who's wearing a sea on his chest,
right Like, isn't it part of your responsibility to make
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sure that everybody's there, that everybody's locked in, Because that's
something that goes beyond just the coaching, you know. And look,
the locker room had been an issue last year. They
tried to clean it up and trading guys like Jalen
Ramsey away and emphasizing character in the offseason. But to
still be here after all that, and still be here
after this apparent series of players only meeting meetings. I
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think you got to figure out where your locker room
is on its head, coach, And the tricky thing is,
I don't think you can do that by going directly
to the players. I think you got to creatively figure
out where they're at and then make your decision from there,
because if it is at a point where like they're
just tuning the coaching staff out, then that becomes a
bigger problem where you're creating a tough environment for young
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players to grow in.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
Albert Breer, Monday Morning Quarterback, great stuff. Appreciate you stopping
by in our hour three today. Thanks Bud, all right,
thanks calling. Yeah, Brian Callahan been fired. I've been very
reluctant to talk USC today, not because it was not significant,
but you know, I don't want to be crazy guy
out here just because I wear occasional Trojen gear. But
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it was not lost on me how they just pushed
around one of those tough cold weather Big ten teams.
Anybody else notice that? Unfortunately they have a tough cold
weather acc team coming up in Notre Dame, which is
I don't think a very good matchup. But I did
take note of the big, tough cold weather Big ten team,
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literally just saying, okay, we don't want to compete.
Speaker 5 (14:30):
Well, Notre Dame is one of those teams that's dominant
in the trenches. Do you think US has a shot here?
Speaker 1 (14:35):
Well, and I think they're an eight point dog. It's
that's the number. Yeah, yeah, twenty eight, twenty you know, thirty,
twenty three, twenty seven. That's a tough ask. You want
a Notre Dame is better than Michigan.
Speaker 5 (14:47):
You want to make a road trip to South Bend.
I might be able to meet you. I got some
friends going to the game.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
I got a lot of friends going to the game.
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Speaker 2 (15:29):
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Speaker 1 (15:35):
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is going to join us to talk about James Franklin
got fired, Oregon went down, and USC physically pushing around Michigan.
Jmack with the news.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
No, no turn on the news. This is the headline news, Kyle.
Speaker 5 (15:54):
Let's start by pouring one out for forty nine Ers
fans who are in mourning today with the loss of
Fred Warner.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
Brutal ankle injury. I don't know if anybody was.
Speaker 5 (16:03):
Watching live, but as soon as the pile kind of
spread apart, Bucks players saw the ankle bent the wrong
way and we're signaling for the bench to come over.
Is just brutal. They've now lost Bosa and Warner, their
two best players on defense. Warner is the best linebacker
in football.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
We would agree on that.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
I don't know how you bounce.
Speaker 5 (16:22):
Back from this, but I will point out Robert Sola,
the defensive coordinator. Colin was with the Jets last year.
The Jets are an zero to six dumpster fire. If
you want to pick some players up and try to
make a run, say hey, could we give the defense
something to help out? What could be an offense that's
good down the stretch when healthy. I would not be
surprised if Salah went and got a couple of his
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former players from the Jets.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
Yeah, I mean front off, but it's a very They
got a lot of money tied up in Brock and
Trent and Kittle and Warner. I mean they had to
move off Green Lawn Hufungu. So. I mean this has
been an ongoing four year odyssey of injuries. It's brutal.
I don't know what. I don't know what you do.
I think you just cross your fingers and hope. I
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you pretty, Kittle and pearsall get back, and you do
the best you can.
Speaker 5 (17:10):
I mean, I do think the NFC is wide open.
Would you agree with that sentiment? There's no the Eagles
have come back to the pack. I don't think there's
a clear cut that's the team to be.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
I know you want to hand the Chiefs the AFC.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
I think Kansas City when they get Rashi Rice back
is the only team in this league right now with
a chance to be great. Okay, what about the NFC, though,
I think there's a lot.
Speaker 5 (17:31):
Of good Okay, so you're the Nials, Come on, push
your chips in.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
I don't. I don't. It's only we're not even just
a third through the season. I'm not putting my chips anywhere.
Speaker 5 (17:40):
Okay, fair enough, All right, let's move on, Colin to
your guy bone Knicks, your favorite quarterback out of Oregon.
Look at this play by bow Knicks quarterback keeper and
then he just I'm lowering the boom on this hapless
Jets cornerback runs him over.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
Obviously, Sean Payton.
Speaker 5 (17:55):
Loves his quarterback. Here he is talking about Bo Nicks.
Speaker 7 (18:00):
Sehnson Dallas with quarterbacks on the sliding for safety versus.
Speaker 4 (18:05):
Yeah, that's a great question.
Speaker 8 (18:07):
I think you know, Bo uses his instincts for the
most part, you saw him slide, but then there was
the one play where it was Pully count got He's
got pretty good instincts.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
Though, well, he's been uneven so far. He's struggling on
the deep ball. You get good halves, bad halfs. I
think I will say this, I think Denver's offensive personnel
is pretty good. I think he's he's been kind of
alarmingly off on deep throws. You know, Drake May and
Jayden Daniels from his class, feel like they're just I
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kind of get the same quarterback every game the last
three or four for Drake May. I think Sean Payton
privately's a little disappointed. I think they miss on too
many opportunities. Now again, they're winning games, and I thought
after the Philadelphia win, upset win, I thought, remember I
told you this Friday, stay away from this game. You're overseas.
You never know what's going to happen overseas, you have
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no idea, and they've been away from home and they
just came off their biggest winning the year. I'm like,
stay away. I think they go back home now and
get Jackson dart If. I think that's who they're playing,
so oh yeah. But I think you have to be disappointed.
They've had open shots down the field and they haven't
hit him.
Speaker 4 (19:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (19:21):
I don't want to go in too hard. I think
uneven is a great way to put it. Colin bow
Nick's not quite a sophomore slump, but if you just
look at basic stats complete a percentage down, yards, pre
attempt down, QBR down, quarterback rating down. I mean, everybody
got tape on him last year, and I think defenses
are throwing wrinkles at it that he's not quickly realizing,
and as such he doesn't look as confident as he
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did at times last year. Fair but again, they're a
playoff team and as long as he doesn't screw it up.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
The defense is going to keep you in games.
Speaker 5 (19:50):
Final story, Colin is, come on, you saw this video
of Kirby Smart.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
This guy.
Speaker 5 (19:55):
I mean, listen, I was on Auburn. I was a
tough non cover. They were in total con role of
this game. Kirby Smart says he was clapping, not calling
for a timeout.
Speaker 4 (20:06):
It's like, dude, what do you think?
Speaker 7 (20:07):
What do you think?
Speaker 5 (20:07):
We're elementary school kids. Everybody could see he was signaling timeout.
A lot of Auburn fans think, hey, Georgia has their
reps in the pocket because they need the sec. I
will say this, Georgia has not been great this season.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
No, they're not a great team. They're gonna get If
they play Ohio State, they're gonna get rolled.
Speaker 5 (20:25):
Oh wait, hold on, they face Ole Miss this week.
Old Miss is undefeated and ranked higher.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
Where's the game?
Speaker 5 (20:31):
The games in Athens? Georgia has a seven and a
half point favorite. Okay, so just for the people out there,
rankings mean nothing, George is a huge favorite overall. Miss
your thoughts any play on this seven and a half.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
I don't think they're gonna lose twice at home this year.
They already lost Obama. I think Old Miss is okay.
I think the SEC is a little softer than people think.
I don't think they have a great team. I think
they've got several good teams. M I think I think
right now the three best teams I've seen Ohio State, Indiana,
and Miami. I think A and M is pretty interesting.
Speaker 5 (21:04):
I don't know this. I'm just telling you this Alabama team.
Just forget the FSU loss to start the season. What
they've done since then, I mean, going to Georgia and
winning that win at Missouri was pretty damn good.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
Missouri's not bad.
Speaker 5 (21:15):
I just keep an eye on Simpson and Alabama.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
I like that quarterback a lot.
Speaker 5 (21:19):
I could see him in Jets Green next year calling
oh poor kid.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
I wouldn't wish that on my enemies. Oh Jmack for
the News.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by The
Herd line news.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
In college football stuff, boy, USC Notre Dame. Yeah, maybe
one of the last times they play, unless Notre Dame
is willing to play early in the season. Everybody freaked
out when I said that, but USC is like, we
don't want to play these cool weather games. We got
Big ten football now, you know, after we house Michigan,
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we don't want to have to go play in frigid temperatures.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
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Speaker 1 (22:06):
Well, we've got three or four major topics in college
football to talk about. Nobody better than the athletic and
Fox's Bruce Feldman, who is now going to join us
live for the last ten minutes of the show. So
I think it's ironic, Bruce, that Franklin always got banged
on and I supported him through the years that he
couldn't beat Ohio State Michigan, and I was like, well,
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you're not Ohio State Michigan. You're the third best program
in the conference, and now that Oregon's there, you may
be four. So let's be realistic to him, he's a
great recruiter. But then the irony is he loses not
because he can't beat the big teams. He couldn't beat
Northwestern and UCLA and that was just too much. So
there's reportedly there was an argument with the athletic director
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in the locker room. Did that get him fired? Did
he have a chance to save his job or give
me the big picture here.
Speaker 7 (22:56):
I think the big picture Colin is coming off the
loss at home to Oregon, you had a just an
abysmal performance out here in LA when they played a
UCLA team now not only was winless, they hadn't even
led a game in their first four games, and Penn
State gets down twenty seven to seven.
Speaker 4 (23:16):
That was a gut punch.
Speaker 7 (23:18):
They come back home, the atmosphere in Happy Valley was
really subdued and down, and then they play a Northwestern
program that's not that good either, and they lose that game.
I think at that point it felt like, not only
are they not winning the big games, now they're struggling,
and it just felt like the team was playing really tight,
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it just wasn't working out. I think beyond that, I
don't think whether there's any arguments or not with Pat
Kraft the ad. I think it just came back to
it felt like for everybody involved it was time to
make a change.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
Kurt Signetti is on fire winning at Autsin. I mean,
Ohio State went down there last year. This is a
good Oregon team. I don't know if i'd leave Indiana.
It's kind of rolling. Now, what do you do? He's
going to get a call maybe right? Do you leave
in conference? What do you make of those rumors?
Speaker 4 (24:09):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (24:10):
I think there would be legit interest if you're penn State.
I mean, the guy's a Pennsylvania and etor from Pittsburgh.
He's done one of the more remarkable jobs in college
football turnaround wise, of anybody I've seen since I've been
covering the sport.
Speaker 4 (24:24):
I mean last year, year one, he takes a three to.
Speaker 7 (24:27):
Nine team that gets him in the playoff the first year,
and then this year they're playing even better. They went
to Austin. That's the most impressive win anybody's had this year.
They held him the one touchdown offensively. I could see
them have an interest in him. I would also keep
an eye on Matt Ruhle, the Nebraska head coach. Remember
when he was at Temple and had back to back
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ten win seasons there there, Pat Kraft was the AD
at Temple. Pat Craft is now the AD at Penn State.
They are still super close. It would not surprise me
if they looked really close at not Rule. But again,
Signette's done an amazing job. I could see anybody trying
to hire him.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
I thought, I said this Friday, I said, with Notre
Dame on deck, this is a really big win that
could ripple through the program. At USC, they can certainly
beat Notre Dame. I think Notre Dame, the quarterback, play,
the coach, the old Lions. Notre Dame's really good. I'm
not sure in this cold weather if it's a great
(25:31):
SC matchup. But what Jaden Mayava has now become a
high draft pick. It looks like if you watch marks drafts.
I think Lincoln I think he's had a great year coaching.
I don't know what to make of the Illinois game.
Maybe I'm over and embellishing it here. I just thought
that was a huge win for Lincoln Riley in the program.
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How did it land for you?
Speaker 7 (25:53):
I thought it was a really good win, Like this
is what I would be excited about King Miller, a
guy almost nobody had ever heard of on running back
from southern California, ends up having to play because your
one and two running backs get knocked out of the game.
He goes in there and rushes for over one hundred
and fifty yards, more yards than any team had rushed
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war against Michigan in the last nine games.
Speaker 4 (26:15):
So big credit.
Speaker 7 (26:17):
It wasn't just King Miller, it was the offensive line
I think looked really good.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
Now.
Speaker 7 (26:21):
They didn't look very good against Illinois and there was
a lot of self inflicted issues with that team on
the road. I also thought what was good for USC
was the defense had been backsliding a little bit by
game by game this year, and off the bye week,
credits Dentlin, the defense coordinator, they seem to have gotten
things figured out.
Speaker 4 (26:42):
But now, as you said, CJ. Carr is a really,
really good quarterback.
Speaker 7 (26:46):
He's probably the best quarterbacks and Notre Dames had since
Brady Quinn. And it's on the road. UFC and Lincoln
have not been very good on the road. They've been
pretty good at home, but on the road is where
some of the ishoes come to light.
Speaker 4 (27:01):
Right.
Speaker 7 (27:01):
So now, if you look at the schedule obviously Notre
Dame is they go to Notre Dame, they go to Nebraska,
who's playing pretty well, and then later on they go
to Austin. You can't you know, they can afford to
maybe lose one of those games and make the playoff.
They can't afford to lose two, much less three if
they hope to if they hope to get into the playoff.
They're playing well. I want to see will it travel?
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Because this is going to be a good test for them.
It's a good team, the really well coach and the
other quarterback is a budding superstar in CJK.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
A lot of reports out of Carolina. Let's go to you,
Bruce for the truth. Where are they right now? You know,
there's a million different stories. I don't know who to trust.
What do you hear with Belichick in the heels?
Speaker 7 (27:47):
Yeah, everything I've heard, and we did We at the
Athletic did a really comprehensive story talk to two dozen sources.
Speaker 4 (27:53):
So much of Bill Belichick's.
Speaker 7 (27:55):
Problems have come from his right hand man, Mike Lombardi
as the GM. He's the highest paid GM in the
country one point five million dollars. He went in there
and I don't think he really got how college football works.
Speaker 4 (28:09):
And I think a lot of that backfired on them.
Speaker 7 (28:11):
They brought in seventy new transfer seventy new players, a
lot of more transfers.
Speaker 4 (28:16):
They missed in the portal left and right.
Speaker 7 (28:19):
They didn't know the market, they didn't have a great
feel for the talent, and that really set them back.
Speaker 4 (28:24):
And then you know, they lose.
Speaker 7 (28:26):
They've lost three games, all blowouts, all against unranked teams.
They got embarrassed by TCU and the opener, then they
got really you know, UCF was four and eight last year.
UCF whipped them thirty four to nine. Clemson was up
on them thirty five to three at halftime. It's looked
really bad. The roster is not good. So Lombardi has
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sent out an email to boosters trying to explain, Hey,
we're going to now go into recruiting high school players
and go that route that always takes a lot longer
time than to flip it through the portal the way
like Signetti has and a bunch of other coaches have done.
You know, you're talking about Bill Belichick at seventy three
years old. How patient are they going to be? How
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patient is Bill Belichick gonna be right? I mean, I mean,
their schedule is not even hard. They may not play
one ranked team this season, maybe virgin You'll be in
the top twenty five when they play them.
Speaker 4 (29:23):
But that would be it. It's not like they're playing
some sec gauntlet.
Speaker 7 (29:27):
And it's not also like he took over a one
in eleven program that was in disarray, like Dion took
over and Boulder this team wasn't great, but they went
to a bowl game last year. Mack Brown won twenty
three games in the previous three years. To me, the
biggest thing was, again this is from a lot of
sources we talked to, was a combination of arrogance and
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really clueless. I mean the arrogance of thinking they knew
everything and thinking they knew better, and the clueless was
not realizing what they didn't know. And it's a really
dangerous combination that for the time being, has really blown
up in Belichick's face.
Speaker 1 (30:02):
Bruce Feldman, the athletic Fox Sports, We called him this morning.
Can you jump on great stuff as oa's terrific reporting
and thanks Bud.
Speaker 4 (30:12):
Always a pleasure call him. Thanks for having me.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
Bruce Feldman totally tied in covering college football since the
mid nineties New York Times bestseller, and we certainly appreciate that. Wow,
Brian Callahan fired Albert Brer. This last hour was just
nothing but journalism. I didn't do any of it, but
it was nothing but journalism between Albert Breer and Bruce Feldman.
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Oh what Bears tonight? God, that game is going to
be amazing. Dodgers Brewers Bears to nothing against Buffalo and Atlanta.
Buffalo's gonna win, Auffle lost, Buffalo's winning that game? Well,
what's that look?
Speaker 2 (30:48):
Are you sure Buffalo's a lock?
Speaker 3 (30:50):
Here?
Speaker 5 (30:51):
Line has come down four and a half to three
and a half. I'm on the over, and I like,
I kind of like Atlanta to keep this interesting calling
that Buffalo defense. What have you seen from them goods
in the last few weeks. It's not a great defense,
and now they got to go on the road. I
think if you watch Kansas City right now. My takeaway
on the Chiefs, Buffalo watched that sitting in their hotel
room in Atlanta. Games in Atlanta, right, Yeah, Okay, Buffalo's
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in their hotel rooms.
Speaker 1 (31:18):
Everybody was watching. They may have watched it as a team.
You think Buffalo that defense can stop that Kansas City offense.
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (31:26):
You think anybody on Buffalo can tackle Vjon Robinson. I expect,
you know, probably a hundred and fifty yards of scrimmage.
I'm just saying, keep an eye on Atlanta. You know
they were my sleeper team. I know you're the one
who hits all the sleeper teams in the offseason, But
I like the Falcons would not be shocked by an
outright upset tonight.
Speaker 1 (31:43):
For your well being, in your health, your mental health,
don't bet on the Falcons. It's too late, my friend.
Here's Matt hassel But I just think Buffalo's sitting there
and they're watching Kansas City play. They're GM's watching, and
their coaches watching. Kansas City's defense is like here, Buffalo's
is several notches below. You got You're not very good
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at stopping the run. That's what I'm watching tonight. Can
Buffalo finally stop the run consistently? Here here's Matt hasselback.
Because I don't Buffalo's defense and that Kansas City offense
I watched the last two weeks, forget it. They're gonna
score in the forties here's hassel Back on what he
saw with the Chiefs offense.
Speaker 9 (32:25):
And if you're starting quarterbacks one of the greatest quarterbacks
to ever play the game ever, and then you've got
the best offensive play caller designer in our era and
Andy Reid like, literally, how are you gonna like? That
gives me confidence as a player. That gives me confidence
as a locker room and as a defense, like you
got Mahomes over here running like speed option, like like
he's Vince Young or something like you got to defend
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it all. You can tell that this is a team.
There's no panic, there's no players only meetings there. You
know they're they're three and three. The guy's not falling.
You know, they're like, hey, we're going to we're gonna go.
Want to know this week, you know we'll probably look
a game out.
Speaker 4 (32:58):
We're good.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
Yeah, Kansas City is where she Rice comes back. He's
a true one, don't.
Speaker 5 (33:05):
You mean when Jerry Rice comes back coming, Jerry Rice
returning for the Chiefs, that's what we remember.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
Zing you're worthy. We were hyping him.
Speaker 5 (33:13):
He had one rush for six yards and two catches
for twenty yards last night, and we were like, a wait,
till zing you're worthy returns.
Speaker 1 (33:21):
Come on, we worthy of two. Juju at three, I
don't know.
Speaker 5 (33:25):
Juju got knocked out last night by brands ye. I
don't know if he's gonna be ready to go next.
Speaker 1 (33:30):
I think he's gonna be
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
Monday morning. Quarterback Albert Breer kind enough to join us
live today and well, breaking news. We're setting it up
for you at first tea. So the lad just saw
this by Matt Harmon tweeted this the last four quarterbacks
taken first. Overall, all four of their coaches have been
fired Urban Frank Reich, Matt Eberflus, Brian Callahan. All four
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have been fired during the rookie season. So I watched
the Raiders Titans. It was a pretty lifeless performance. Did
the team kind of quitting in? What do you hear?
Speaker 2 (01:01):
Well?
Speaker 3 (01:01):
First of all, now you see why there are stories
like Baker Mayfield and Sam Donald with that fact that
he just doing laid out right, Like a lot of
these guys go to bad situations. It's no wonder they
don't make it their first shot. Yeah, I mean, I
think this was just sort of where the team was going.
I don't know that anybody quit on Brian Callahan, you know,
but certainly they looked lifeless at several different points over
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the first month and a half of the season.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
They've got a new general manager in there, and.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
This is starting to feel with that organization column like
the chase, like the cat chasing the tail. I just
tweeted this out. I'll take it through the timeline in
twenty two. They December twenty two, they fired John Robinson
as their GM.
Speaker 4 (01:41):
They hire rand Carthon to replace him.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
A year after that, they fire Mike Rabel, They promote
Chad Brinker from assistant GM over Ran Carthon, They hire
Brank Brian Callahan as head coach. A year after that,
they fire Ran Carthon, bring on, bringing Mike Borgonzi. And
now just nine months after that they're firing Brian Callahan.
So clearly there are some issues at the top here,
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and you know, I think number one right now is
how you're going to create the right environment for your
young quarterbacks so you don't become another one of these
cautionary tales like look at what Sam Donald had to
deal with early in his career. Look at what Baker
Mayfield had to deal with early in his career. Obviously
those guys were going to benefit from being in better situations.
(02:25):
If you're the Titans right now, job number one is
to make sure that you're not the next to those
cautionary tales. And obviously they've given themselves some runway here
to figure out who their ex head coach is going
to be.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
Okay, speaking of that, the Jets yesterday look good. Not
just Donald, Justin Fields last year in Pittsburgh pretty redeemable.
They pay him thirty guaranteed. Yesterday there were times in
the second half and I wouldn't do this often. I
would have taken him out he had time, he froze.
(02:56):
Like this organization, if they get the number one pick,
I think I'd stay in college. I mean, what do
you do? This has a Freddie Kitchens feel where it's
just like this doesn't work, they're doing nothing. Well, what
do you do with the Jets.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
I'm a little stunned that it looks the way that
it does and that they look listless as they have,
Like yesterday was the first representative performance they've gotten from
the defense, right Like they actually played decent on defense
after allowing around thirty points a game over the first
five weeks this season.
Speaker 4 (03:29):
And that's a defense, by the way, that played.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
Well under Robert Sala and has representative talent Quentin Williams,
Jermaine Johnson, will McDonald, Quincy Williams, Jamine Sherwood, Sauce Gardner,
guys they paid guys that were drafted in the first
round that all over the defense, the offensive line, they've
invested in. They've got good players up front now, even
with the injury to OLIVERA. Tucker, Garret Wilson, Brece Hall like,
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there are good players on the roster. And this does
not feel like what Aaron Glenn walked into in Detroit
when he was Dan kim Most defensive coordinator four years ago.
Speaker 4 (04:02):
So it's really tough.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
To explain why they've been so listless through through through
six weeks. And you know, certainly, I think you know,
looking back on what happened in Detroit in twenty twenty
one gives you the roadmap for getting out of it.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
Right.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
They started that year zho to nine ten and one.
They wound up going three and three in their last
six games. It gave them a lot of hope, but
I would say that like early on in Detroit we
saw more fight. I think the what we're seeing from
the Jets right now. So they got to get it
turned around. And again, like I think that if you're
Aaron Glenn, you're hanging your hat on. I'm going to
create some excitement in December and January for where this
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team is going in twenty twenty six, because again, I
don't think they're devoid of talent. I think if you
look at that roster, you see a lot of good players.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
Okay, I got to tell you Philadelphia, the Fawcet broke.
It was a drip, drip, drip, the Fawcet broke. I
know they're banged up on the offensive line, but go
look at what Mac Jones did and Baker Mayfield are
doing over the last three weeks with beat up teams.
I mean, Justin Herbert is pulling rabbits out of a hat.
They got a third string everything, And I look at Philadelphia,
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I don't want to hear about it. They have more
depth than anybody in the league. Could they make a
coordinator change in the middle of a season because it's
not working.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
I'd be surprised, you know, although you know Nick Sirianni
did you know turn over his staff a couple of
years ago. You remember they lose Shane Stycke and Jonathan
Yann after that Super Bowl and they made the change
for Seawan to side and Matt Patricia in the middle
of the twenty twenty three season.
Speaker 4 (05:34):
I think it was right.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
And then they fired Brian Johnson their offensive coordinator after
that year, went with new coordinators and Fangio and Callen
Moore in twenty four and we know the rest. So
they haven't been shy about doing these things in the past.
It would surprise me on offense, although I do think
they've got an identity crisis right now on that side
of the ball. If they did that to Kevin Patulo
after he paid his due is the way that he
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did to work his way into that role. I think
they're going to give him some time to figure it out. Obviously,
the run game hasn't been the same as it was
last year, and that bar was set really high, and
I think what you're seeing now is part of the
reality with Jalen Hurts, very good quarterback, but he's not
the same guy when the run game isn't working the
way that it was in twenty twenty four, and so
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they got to find a way to get that run
game going.
Speaker 4 (06:20):
And then you know again, I.
Speaker 3 (06:21):
Think after that happens, a lot of other things fall
into place. But it does feel like there's a little
bit of an identity crisis or when they've struggled with
the run game, they've gotten away from it a little bit,
and that's where I think they get tangled up and
look a little bit dysfunctional on offense.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
Okay, trading deadline is coming up. You know, there's let's
talk good teams. I think the Rams could use a corner.
I think the charge. I'll tell you this, I'll throw
this out. If you're the Chargers, knowing Joe Waltz coming back, yeah,
go get a swing tackle regardless, because this is not
(06:56):
just about winning games. It's about protecting Justin Hart. I
let's talk Chargers. If you're Harball, Denver now is winning ugly?
Kansas City looks legit, I mean, Harball. I wonder if
they don't make a move Quinton Johnson didn't play, what
are the Chargers do when you're worried about I mean,
good God, look at Herbert. He's getting hit fifteen times
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a game. What do you do there?
Speaker 4 (07:19):
All Right, So you're.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
Gonna get you know, Amari and Hampton back, You're gonna
get Joe alt back, like you said, you're gonna get
Quinton Johnston back, right. I think you have to assess
your your debts at the tackle position. It's hard to
find offensive lineman Colin you know as well as I do.
There aren't enough of them to go around. And if
you have good ones, you sign them, you keep them, right.
(07:41):
But I think that the Chargers do have to consider this.
Here's the reason why. Like I think anybody in this
situation will consider it. Why is it more important for
the Chargers. I think this is a little bit like
the Giants fifteen or twenty years ago, where so much
of their identity ran behind that defensive line, right, Like
playing without Joe Alton Mrshawn's is almost like if those
(08:01):
Giants teams had to play without straighthan human you are
and talk all at once, right, Like, It's just that
was the personality of the team.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
It was the strength of the team.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
It's why Jerry Reeves kept feeding that part of the
team because he knew if I lose one of these guys,
I can't that can't become a weakness. It has to
be a strength. And they've invested so much in making
that offensive line what it was coming into the year.
Then they lose for Shawn Slater, and so I don't
think they'll be afraid to overinvest in the offensive line
because same way those Giants teams are identity rans with
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the defensive line, the identity is Chargers team runs to
the offensive line. I just think it's really tough to
find guys at those positions in season because if you
have good ones, you're not letting them.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
Go, Hey, I'm gonna throw this at you Chicago Washington tonight.
So I think that I said this before the USC
Michigan game with Notre Dame on deck, USC had to win,
and after getting pushed around by Illinois, they had to
win physical check check. They did. Chicago comes out of
a buy, Okay, you can't come out of a buy
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and have operational problems with your offense. Like I think
this is a real test for Caleb and Ben privately.
And this is where you come in. Albert Burr joining
us for the radio audience Monday morning Quarterback, You could
lose tonight, but you better look the part off of bye.
If you're Caleb, what are you hearing in Chicago?
Speaker 3 (09:27):
I'm excited to see what they look like tonight, actually,
because I think for the Bears having the early buy,
most teams hate having to buy that early, right, because
that means, all, right, now, we got to play twelve
or thirteen weeks in a row, and that's tough, right,
Like as the season goes on. I think in the
first year of Ben Johnson's program, the Bears almost looked
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at it as a little bit of an advantage because
of the teaching progression with Caleb and the rest of
the offense, right, And you and I have been over this.
We went over in the summer where Ben was trying
to feed Caleb with a fire hose early in the year,
which was which is why at the beginning of training
camp it didn't look very good, Like, let's see what
he can handle and over the course of time will
narrow down what we're giving him, We'll figure out what
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he's doing well, and we'll lean into that. And so
you know, having the early buy gives them the chance
to have an early reset where they could look at
the first five weeks of this season and say okay,
or the first four weeks this season and say, okay,
here's what we did well, here's what we didn't do well,
and here's what we're going to be offensively over the
last thirteen weeks of this season. So tonight's the first
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chance we get to see it. I think we are
going to see some moving parts there as far as
what they look like over the first month versus what
they look like now. And I'm with you, like I
think that this is an opportunity for them to clean
up a lot of the things that went wrong over
the first four weeks, and you would hope this is
going to be the start of the completion of what
their identity is going to be for the rest of
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the season, and that they have had that chance to
look at what they do well and what they don't
do well.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
Okay, So Brian Callahan and fired for the record Mike
McDaniel toa called out apparently the staff again after that game.
I think McDaniel would get a job in five minutes
as a coordinator. I think certain guys that maybe not
have that classic alph a little bit more beta personality
make them great coordinators. Do you think Miami makes a
(11:21):
move on their coach in the near future?
Speaker 3 (11:25):
So like, I'm not like, I would never advocate for
an owner of going and checking in on his locker room,
right like, because I think that undercuts the head coach.
You're basically creating an appeals court if you do that,
right right. I think Mark Davis did it with Josh
McDaniels a couple of years ago, and it wound up
resulting in the hire of Antonio Pierce that was based
on what really three guys thought it was Josh Jacobs,
(11:48):
DeVante Adams and Max Crosby and low and Behold, less
than a year later, two of those three guys were
off the roster. They weren't even there anymore, right, So,
I don't think you want to do that. But I
think if you are upper management Miami is that you
get a pulse for the locker room and you're creative
and finding a way to figure out where where the.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
Locker room is at.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
On Mike McDaniel, I love Mike McDaniel as an offensive coach.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
Here's the thing.
Speaker 3 (12:12):
That first player's only meeting, right, That first player's only
meeting happened after the opener. That was alarming how early
that happened. That got the attention of a lot of
other coaches around the league, right and now for your
quarterback to stand up there and offer up that these
are almost irregular occurrence, right Like how casually he said,
like our players only meetings, like guys are being late
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to them, like they're happening all the time. Now, I
think would concern me, And the other thing would concern
me here, Colin, just as far as the makeup of
your locker room and your team is, Like your quarterback
is getting up there and saying this stuff and saying like, well,
players are late, Like what are we going to do?
This is a guy who's wearing a sea on his chest,
right Like, isn't it part of your responsibility to make
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sure that everybody's there, that everybody's locked in, Because that's
something that goes beyond just the coaching, you know. And look,
the locker room had been an issue last year. They
tried to clean it up and trading guys like Jalen
Ramsey away and emphasizing character in the offseason. But to
still be here after all that, and still be here
after this apparent series of players only meeting meetings. I
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think you got to figure out where your locker room
is on its head, coach, And the tricky thing is,
I don't think you can do that by going directly
to the players. I think you got to creatively figure
out where they're at and then make your decision from there,
because if it is at a point where like they're
just tuning the coaching staff out, then that becomes a
bigger problem where you're creating a tough environment for young
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players to grow in.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
Albert Breer, Monday Morning Quarterback, great stuff. Appreciate you stopping
by in our hour three today. Thanks Bud, all right,
thanks calling. Yeah, Brian Callahan been fired. I've been very
reluctant to talk USC today, not because it was not significant,
but you know, I don't want to be crazy guy
out here just because I wear occasional Trojen gear. But
(14:01):
it was not lost on me how they just pushed
around one of those tough cold weather Big ten teams.
Anybody else notice that? Unfortunately they have a tough cold
weather acc team coming up in Notre Dame, which is
I don't think a very good matchup. But I did
take note of the big, tough cold weather Big ten team,
(14:26):
literally just saying, okay, we don't want to compete.
Speaker 5 (14:30):
Well, Notre Dame is one of those teams that's dominant
in the trenches. Do you think US has a shot here?
Speaker 1 (14:35):
Well, and I think they're an eight point dog. It's
that's the number. Yeah, yeah, twenty eight, twenty you know, thirty,
twenty three, twenty seven. That's a tough ask. You want
a Notre Dame is better than Michigan.
Speaker 5 (14:47):
You want to make a road trip to South Bend.
I might be able to meet you. I got some
friends going to the game.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
I got a lot of friends going to the game.
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Speaker 1 (15:35):
We've got a lot of stuff happened, and Bruce Feldon
is going to join us to talk about James Franklin
got fired, Oregon went down, and USC physically pushing around Michigan.
Jmack with the news.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
No, no turn on the news. This is the headline news, Kyle.
Speaker 5 (15:54):
Let's start by pouring one out for forty nine Ers
fans who are in mourning today with the loss of
Fred Warner.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
Brutal ankle injury. I don't know if anybody was.
Speaker 5 (16:03):
Watching live, but as soon as the pile kind of
spread apart, Bucks players saw the ankle bent the wrong
way and we're signaling for the bench to come over.
Is just brutal. They've now lost Bosa and Warner, their
two best players on defense. Warner is the best linebacker
in football.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
We would agree on that.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
I don't know how you bounce.
Speaker 5 (16:22):
Back from this, but I will point out Robert Sola,
the defensive coordinator. Colin was with the Jets last year.
The Jets are an zero to six dumpster fire. If
you want to pick some players up and try to
make a run, say hey, could we give the defense
something to help out? What could be an offense that's
good down the stretch when healthy. I would not be
surprised if Salah went and got a couple of his
(16:42):
former players from the Jets.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
Yeah, I mean front off, but it's a very They
got a lot of money tied up in Brock and
Trent and Kittle and Warner. I mean they had to
move off Green Lawn Hufungu. So. I mean this has
been an ongoing four year odyssey of injuries. It's brutal.
I don't know what. I don't know what you do.
I think you just cross your fingers and hope. I
(17:06):
you pretty, Kittle and pearsall get back, and you do
the best you can.
Speaker 5 (17:10):
I mean, I do think the NFC is wide open.
Would you agree with that sentiment? There's no the Eagles
have come back to the pack. I don't think there's
a clear cut that's the team to be.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
I know you want to hand the Chiefs the AFC.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
I think Kansas City when they get Rashi Rice back
is the only team in this league right now with
a chance to be great. Okay, what about the NFC, though,
I think there's a lot.
Speaker 5 (17:31):
Of good Okay, so you're the Nials, Come on, push
your chips in.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
I don't. I don't. It's only we're not even just
a third through the season. I'm not putting my chips anywhere.
Speaker 5 (17:40):
Okay, fair enough, All right, let's move on, Colin to
your guy bone Knicks, your favorite quarterback out of Oregon.
Look at this play by bow Knicks quarterback keeper and
then he just I'm lowering the boom on this hapless
Jets cornerback runs him over.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
Obviously, Sean Payton.
Speaker 5 (17:55):
Loves his quarterback. Here he is talking about Bo Nicks.
Speaker 7 (18:00):
Sehnson Dallas with quarterbacks on the sliding for safety versus.
Speaker 4 (18:05):
Yeah, that's a great question.
Speaker 8 (18:07):
I think you know, Bo uses his instincts for the
most part, you saw him slide, but then there was
the one play where it was Pully count got He's
got pretty good instincts.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
Though, well, he's been uneven so far. He's struggling on
the deep ball. You get good halves, bad halfs. I
think I will say this, I think Denver's offensive personnel
is pretty good. I think he's he's been kind of
alarmingly off on deep throws. You know, Drake May and
Jayden Daniels from his class, feel like they're just I
(18:42):
kind of get the same quarterback every game the last
three or four for Drake May. I think Sean Payton
privately's a little disappointed. I think they miss on too
many opportunities. Now again, they're winning games, and I thought
after the Philadelphia win, upset win, I thought, remember I
told you this Friday, stay away from this game. You're overseas.
You never know what's going to happen overseas, you have
(19:03):
no idea, and they've been away from home and they
just came off their biggest winning the year. I'm like,
stay away. I think they go back home now and
get Jackson dart If. I think that's who they're playing,
so oh yeah. But I think you have to be disappointed.
They've had open shots down the field and they haven't
hit him.
Speaker 4 (19:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (19:21):
I don't want to go in too hard. I think
uneven is a great way to put it. Colin bow
Nick's not quite a sophomore slump, but if you just
look at basic stats complete a percentage down, yards, pre
attempt down, QBR down, quarterback rating down. I mean, everybody
got tape on him last year, and I think defenses
are throwing wrinkles at it that he's not quickly realizing,
and as such he doesn't look as confident as he
(19:42):
did at times last year. Fair but again, they're a
playoff team and as long as he doesn't screw it up.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
The defense is going to keep you in games.
Speaker 5 (19:50):
Final story, Colin is, come on, you saw this video
of Kirby Smart.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
This guy.
Speaker 5 (19:55):
I mean, listen, I was on Auburn. I was a
tough non cover. They were in total con role of
this game. Kirby Smart says he was clapping, not calling
for a timeout.
Speaker 4 (20:06):
It's like, dude, what do you think?
Speaker 7 (20:07):
What do you think?
Speaker 5 (20:07):
We're elementary school kids. Everybody could see he was signaling timeout.
A lot of Auburn fans think, hey, Georgia has their
reps in the pocket because they need the sec. I
will say this, Georgia has not been great this season.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
No, they're not a great team. They're gonna get If
they play Ohio State, they're gonna get rolled.
Speaker 5 (20:25):
Oh wait, hold on, they face Ole Miss this week.
Old Miss is undefeated and ranked higher.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
Where's the game?
Speaker 5 (20:31):
The games in Athens? Georgia has a seven and a
half point favorite. Okay, so just for the people out there,
rankings mean nothing, George is a huge favorite overall. Miss
your thoughts any play on this seven and a half.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
I don't think they're gonna lose twice at home this year.
They already lost Obama. I think Old Miss is okay.
I think the SEC is a little softer than people think.
I don't think they have a great team. I think
they've got several good teams. M I think I think
right now the three best teams I've seen Ohio State, Indiana,
and Miami. I think A and M is pretty interesting.
Speaker 5 (21:04):
I don't know this. I'm just telling you this Alabama team.
Just forget the FSU loss to start the season. What
they've done since then, I mean, going to Georgia and
winning that win at Missouri was pretty damn good.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
Missouri's not bad.
Speaker 5 (21:15):
I just keep an eye on Simpson and Alabama.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
I like that quarterback a lot.
Speaker 5 (21:19):
I could see him in Jets Green next year calling
oh poor kid.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
I wouldn't wish that on my enemies. Oh Jmack for
the News.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by The
Herd line news.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
In college football stuff, boy, USC Notre Dame. Yeah, maybe
one of the last times they play, unless Notre Dame
is willing to play early in the season. Everybody freaked
out when I said that, but USC is like, we
don't want to play these cool weather games. We got
Big ten football now, you know, after we house Michigan,
(21:56):
we don't want to have to go play in frigid temperatures.
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Speaker 1 (22:06):
Well, we've got three or four major topics in college
football to talk about. Nobody better than the athletic and
Fox's Bruce Feldman, who is now going to join us
live for the last ten minutes of the show. So
I think it's ironic, Bruce, that Franklin always got banged
on and I supported him through the years that he
couldn't beat Ohio State Michigan, and I was like, well,
(22:27):
you're not Ohio State Michigan. You're the third best program
in the conference, and now that Oregon's there, you may
be four. So let's be realistic to him, he's a
great recruiter. But then the irony is he loses not
because he can't beat the big teams. He couldn't beat
Northwestern and UCLA and that was just too much. So
there's reportedly there was an argument with the athletic director
(22:48):
in the locker room. Did that get him fired? Did
he have a chance to save his job or give
me the big picture here.
Speaker 7 (22:56):
I think the big picture Colin is coming off the
loss at home to Oregon, you had a just an
abysmal performance out here in LA when they played a
UCLA team now not only was winless, they hadn't even
led a game in their first four games, and Penn
State gets down twenty seven to seven.
Speaker 4 (23:16):
That was a gut punch.
Speaker 7 (23:18):
They come back home, the atmosphere in Happy Valley was
really subdued and down, and then they play a Northwestern
program that's not that good either, and they lose that game.
I think at that point it felt like, not only
are they not winning the big games, now they're struggling,
and it just felt like the team was playing really tight,
(23:39):
it just wasn't working out. I think beyond that, I
don't think whether there's any arguments or not with Pat
Kraft the ad. I think it just came back to
it felt like for everybody involved it was time to
make a change.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
Kurt Signetti is on fire winning at Autsin. I mean,
Ohio State went down there last year. This is a
good Oregon team. I don't know if i'd leave Indiana.
It's kind of rolling. Now, what do you do? He's
going to get a call maybe right? Do you leave
in conference? What do you make of those rumors?
Speaker 4 (24:09):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (24:10):
I think there would be legit interest if you're penn State.
I mean, the guy's a Pennsylvania and etor from Pittsburgh.
He's done one of the more remarkable jobs in college
football turnaround wise, of anybody I've seen since I've been
covering the sport.
Speaker 4 (24:24):
I mean last year, year one, he takes a three to.
Speaker 7 (24:27):
Nine team that gets him in the playoff the first year,
and then this year they're playing even better. They went
to Austin. That's the most impressive win anybody's had this year.
They held him the one touchdown offensively. I could see
them have an interest in him. I would also keep
an eye on Matt Ruhle, the Nebraska head coach. Remember
when he was at Temple and had back to back
(24:49):
ten win seasons there there, Pat Kraft was the AD
at Temple. Pat Craft is now the AD at Penn State.
They are still super close. It would not surprise me
if they looked really close at not Rule. But again,
Signette's done an amazing job. I could see anybody trying
to hire him.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
I thought, I said this Friday, I said, with Notre
Dame on deck, this is a really big win that
could ripple through the program. At USC, they can certainly
beat Notre Dame. I think Notre Dame, the quarterback, play,
the coach, the old Lions. Notre Dame's really good. I'm
not sure in this cold weather if it's a great
(25:31):
SC matchup. But what Jaden Mayava has now become a
high draft pick. It looks like if you watch marks drafts.
I think Lincoln I think he's had a great year coaching.
I don't know what to make of the Illinois game.
Maybe I'm over and embellishing it here. I just thought
that was a huge win for Lincoln Riley in the program.
(25:51):
How did it land for you?
Speaker 7 (25:53):
I thought it was a really good win, Like this
is what I would be excited about King Miller, a
guy almost nobody had ever heard of on running back
from southern California, ends up having to play because your
one and two running backs get knocked out of the game.
He goes in there and rushes for over one hundred
and fifty yards, more yards than any team had rushed
(26:13):
war against Michigan in the last nine games.
Speaker 4 (26:15):
So big credit.
Speaker 7 (26:17):
It wasn't just King Miller, it was the offensive line
I think looked really good.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
Now.
Speaker 7 (26:21):
They didn't look very good against Illinois and there was
a lot of self inflicted issues with that team on
the road. I also thought what was good for USC
was the defense had been backsliding a little bit by
game by game this year, and off the bye week,
credits Dentlin, the defense coordinator, they seem to have gotten
things figured out.
Speaker 4 (26:42):
But now, as you said, CJ. Carr is a really,
really good quarterback.
Speaker 7 (26:46):
He's probably the best quarterbacks and Notre Dames had since
Brady Quinn. And it's on the road. UFC and Lincoln
have not been very good on the road. They've been
pretty good at home, but on the road is where
some of the ishoes come to light.
Speaker 4 (27:01):
Right.
Speaker 7 (27:01):
So now, if you look at the schedule obviously Notre
Dame is they go to Notre Dame, they go to Nebraska,
who's playing pretty well, and then later on they go
to Austin. You can't you know, they can afford to
maybe lose one of those games and make the playoff.
They can't afford to lose two, much less three if
they hope to if they hope to get into the playoff.
They're playing well. I want to see will it travel?
(27:23):
Because this is going to be a good test for them.
It's a good team, the really well coach and the
other quarterback is a budding superstar in CJK.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
A lot of reports out of Carolina. Let's go to you,
Bruce for the truth. Where are they right now? You know,
there's a million different stories. I don't know who to trust.
What do you hear with Belichick in the heels?
Speaker 7 (27:47):
Yeah, everything I've heard, and we did We at the
Athletic did a really comprehensive story talk to two dozen sources.
Speaker 4 (27:53):
So much of Bill Belichick's.
Speaker 7 (27:55):
Problems have come from his right hand man, Mike Lombardi
as the GM. He's the highest paid GM in the
country one point five million dollars. He went in there
and I don't think he really got how college football works.
Speaker 4 (28:09):
And I think a lot of that backfired on them.
Speaker 7 (28:11):
They brought in seventy new transfer seventy new players, a
lot of more transfers.
Speaker 4 (28:16):
They missed in the portal left and right.
Speaker 7 (28:19):
They didn't know the market, they didn't have a great
feel for the talent, and that really set them back.
Speaker 4 (28:24):
And then you know, they lose.
Speaker 7 (28:26):
They've lost three games, all blowouts, all against unranked teams.
They got embarrassed by TCU and the opener, then they
got really you know, UCF was four and eight last year.
UCF whipped them thirty four to nine. Clemson was up
on them thirty five to three at halftime. It's looked
really bad. The roster is not good. So Lombardi has
(28:47):
sent out an email to boosters trying to explain, Hey,
we're going to now go into recruiting high school players
and go that route that always takes a lot longer
time than to flip it through the portal the way
like Signetti has and a bunch of other coaches have done.
You know, you're talking about Bill Belichick at seventy three
years old. How patient are they going to be? How
(29:10):
patient is Bill Belichick gonna be right? I mean, I mean,
their schedule is not even hard. They may not play
one ranked team this season, maybe virgin You'll be in
the top twenty five when they play them.
Speaker 4 (29:23):
But that would be it. It's not like they're playing
some sec gauntlet.
Speaker 7 (29:27):
And it's not also like he took over a one
in eleven program that was in disarray, like Dion took
over and Boulder this team wasn't great, but they went
to a bowl game last year. Mack Brown won twenty
three games in the previous three years. To me, the
biggest thing was, again this is from a lot of
sources we talked to, was a combination of arrogance and
(29:49):
really clueless. I mean the arrogance of thinking they knew
everything and thinking they knew better, and the clueless was
not realizing what they didn't know. And it's a really
dangerous combination that for the time being, has really blown
up in Belichick's face.
Speaker 1 (30:02):
Bruce Feldman, the athletic Fox Sports, We called him this morning.
Can you jump on great stuff as oa's terrific reporting
and thanks Bud.
Speaker 4 (30:12):
Always a pleasure call him. Thanks for having me.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
Bruce Feldman totally tied in covering college football since the
mid nineties New York Times bestseller, and we certainly appreciate that. Wow,
Brian Callahan fired Albert Brer. This last hour was just
nothing but journalism. I didn't do any of it, but
it was nothing but journalism between Albert Breer and Bruce Feldman.
(30:36):
Oh what Bears tonight? God, that game is going to
be amazing. Dodgers Brewers Bears to nothing against Buffalo and Atlanta.
Buffalo's gonna win, Auffle lost, Buffalo's winning that game? Well,
what's that look?
Speaker 2 (30:48):
Are you sure Buffalo's a lock?
Speaker 3 (30:50):
Here?
Speaker 5 (30:51):
Line has come down four and a half to three
and a half. I'm on the over, and I like,
I kind of like Atlanta to keep this interesting calling
that Buffalo defense. What have you seen from them goods
in the last few weeks. It's not a great defense,
and now they got to go on the road. I
think if you watch Kansas City right now. My takeaway
on the Chiefs, Buffalo watched that sitting in their hotel
room in Atlanta. Games in Atlanta, right, Yeah, Okay, Buffalo's
(31:17):
in their hotel rooms.
Speaker 1 (31:18):
Everybody was watching. They may have watched it as a team.
You think Buffalo that defense can stop that Kansas City offense.
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (31:26):
You think anybody on Buffalo can tackle Vjon Robinson. I expect,
you know, probably a hundred and fifty yards of scrimmage.
I'm just saying, keep an eye on Atlanta. You know
they were my sleeper team. I know you're the one
who hits all the sleeper teams in the offseason, But
I like the Falcons would not be shocked by an
outright upset tonight.
Speaker 1 (31:43):
For your well being, in your health, your mental health,
don't bet on the Falcons. It's too late, my friend.
Here's Matt hassel But I just think Buffalo's sitting there
and they're watching Kansas City play. They're GM's watching, and
their coaches watching. Kansas City's defense is like here, Buffalo's
is several notches below. You got You're not very good
(32:06):
at stopping the run. That's what I'm watching tonight. Can
Buffalo finally stop the run consistently? Here here's Matt hasselback.
Because I don't Buffalo's defense and that Kansas City offense
I watched the last two weeks, forget it. They're gonna
score in the forties here's hassel Back on what he
saw with the Chiefs offense.
Speaker 9 (32:25):
And if you're starting quarterbacks one of the greatest quarterbacks
to ever play the game ever, and then you've got
the best offensive play caller designer in our era and
Andy Reid like, literally, how are you gonna like? That
gives me confidence as a player. That gives me confidence
as a locker room and as a defense, like you
got Mahomes over here running like speed option, like like
he's Vince Young or something like you got to defend
(32:46):
it all. You can tell that this is a team.
There's no panic, there's no players only meetings there. You
know they're they're three and three. The guy's not falling.
You know, they're like, hey, we're going to we're gonna go.
Want to know this week, you know we'll probably look
a game out.
Speaker 4 (32:58):
We're good.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
Yeah, Kansas City is where she Rice comes back. He's
a true one, don't.
Speaker 5 (33:05):
You mean when Jerry Rice comes back coming, Jerry Rice
returning for the Chiefs, that's what we remember.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
Zing you're worthy. We were hyping him.
Speaker 5 (33:13):
He had one rush for six yards and two catches
for twenty yards last night, and we were like, a wait,
till zing you're worthy returns.
Speaker 1 (33:21):
Come on, we worthy of two. Juju at three, I
don't know.
Speaker 5 (33:25):
Juju got knocked out last night by brands ye. I
don't know if he's gonna be ready to go next.
Speaker 1 (33:30):
I think he's gonna be
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