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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Welcome back to the Richard Sherman Podcast. And what a
crazy training camp August we have had. You've seen teams trade,
players were getting to the cut deadline. You know, players
that you thought were gonna be bawling out. Didn't have
a great preseason, doesn't mean they won't have a great career.
And there are players that you have high expectations for
that are exceeding those expectations. Jackson Dart, We're looking at you.
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There are guys that may be looking for a new
team soon or sometime in the future, like Micah Parsons.
And that's where we got to get into because, as
I have said before, Jerry Jones cannot get out of
his own way, and now he's telling Steven A. Smith,
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no matter what we got him for three years. If
the relationship between Micah Parsons and Jerry Jones was as
as healthy as incredible as Jerry and Micah over the
past few years have made it seem, I don't think
we would be here. But Jerry is a guy who
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wants things his way, and now he's saying David Mullagetta,
there's no place for the agent in these negotiations, which
is actually illegal. In the NFL and the way they
do business, unless the player is representing himself like I
have before, the agent has to be involved. That's the
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way it works. Micah doesn't necessarily have to be involved.
He doesn't necessarily have to talk to front office or
management or anything because there's conflict of interest. If he's
not representing himself, he's not going to know, Hey, they're
trying to get you for ten years. They got Tyron
Smith for a ten year deal at a very reasonable rate.
You looked into that deal at year five years. You
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had a really good, good tackle for a very affordable
number over the time. And so this is a situation
where I don't think Jerry Jones should have done this,
and I don't think he should keep doing what he's doing,
which is digging himself in a further hole and creating
a bigger divide between he and one of his star players.
And now they've done the X rays, the MRIs on
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his back, they had him laying down on the training table. Look,
none of that matters. And Shottenneimer's like, oh man, I'm
gonna go talk to him. I'm gonna go. You know,
we may find him. It's screaming disaster. It's screaming disaster,
and it's getting worse and worse and worse. This is
not how you treat arguably your best player. This is
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a guy who's had no off the field problems, no issues,
played hard, done everything. He's got a little banged up,
but three all pros, productive, dominant. What are we doing?
What are we doing? Jerry Jones? You have him for
three more years if he doesn't play in the first
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four games, five games. There are statistics out there that
say your defense is the worst defense in the league.
Are dang near when he's not on the field? I
think it's twenty ninth and they're among the best when
he's on the field. Why wouldn't it make sense to
just make sure he's on the field. And you say, oh,
he's under contract, Well, the same way guys are under
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contract and get cut and people are like, well, you
know they didn't need to honor the contract because they
could cut him in there, Well, he could exercise this.
He understands the consequences of his actions, and a player
can be banged up. Who's to say, is not MRI's
in next race? They don't know everything. I mean, you
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could have injuries that they're not picking up. It's happened before,
it'll happen again. So what happens now if Michael Parsons
continue to be hurt, gets rehab, continues to make sure
he's taking care of his body, and he's gonna get
out there when he's healthy. You're you're you could have
cost your team real life games and you could lose
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games because you refuse to honor and respect the guy
who you're saying you want to make the highest paid
non defensive I mean non quarterback, then do it. Called
David Malagatta, he's done unreasonable. There's a reason he's done
all these deals. He's done a billion dollars worth of
deals in one season because he's the best. So give
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him a phone call. When I think Jerry's going out
of his way to make this situation more volatile than
it needs to be, more combative than it needs to be.
It doesn't need to be this combative. You telling you,
telling this guy, there's no room for your agent to negotiate.
But what what what is this? What? What what you
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want to pay me as the highest paid non defensive player.
There's a number on that. There's a number on that.
It's a high number. I think it's forty two million
right now, maybe more so, forty two million dollars a
year over high for many years. You want him? If
you want a five year deal, cool, you could those
are semantics, Like you may want a seven year deal, Jerry,
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they may want a three year deal. Like you meet
somewhere in the middle and you get a deal done.
But it seems like something else is in play here
for Jerry Jones, Like there's a different kind of pride,
a different kind of mentality where he's like, Hey, I'm
not giving here. I own the boy. And I'm like, oh, Jerry,
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it's getting kind of crazy when you start talking like that,
because you're talking about human beings with real emotions, feelings
and all that, and that he knows how to play
the game just like you're playing the game. And sure
fans can get mad, they can get irritated or whatever,
but just as the team can has the right to
maneuver how they want to within the confines of these contracts.
Players are getting smart and they're gonna maneuver within the
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confines of these contracts. And we'll see who wins. We'll
see who wins, he gets paid. Either way. He gets
paid either way. Hey, if he doesn't play week one,
he gets paid. If his back is tight week one,
he gets paid. What you're gonna do? So you're gonna
pay him to play? Are you gonna pay him to
force back to be tight? You gonna have to figure
it out, Jerry, because it ain't changed it anytime soon.
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And Schefter's reporting that he don't think Mike's gonna finish
his career in Dallas, I would agree. I would agree.
It seems like Dallas is gonna have a lot of
issues going forward. If this is the way Jerry Jones
is gonna approach every negotiation, every conversation with players that
have had multiple All pros on a rookie contract, You're
gonna have a very difficult time. You guys have done
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a phenomenal job drafting in the first round, drafting all
Pro after all Pro after all Pro after great player,
But now you don't want to pay the guy would
arguably the best resume among those guys. Doesn't sound like
a recipe for success for the Dallas Cowboys to me,
But who am I does? A humble servant now? Or
to Shador Sanders, the topic of conversation everybody one of
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the worst games he's played. Obviously, has had a ton
of games as a pro, but had a rough game,
took some bad sacks, and it's created an incredible discourse
on nine. You're either on one side of the fence
or the other. You're saying he didn't get a fair
shake of it, or you're saying he played behind the
same offensive line that that Huntley played behind who led
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a two minute drive for the game winning touchdown, et cetera,
et cetera. I think it's somewhere in the middle. As always,
I think he can be a good quarterback. He's a rookie.
He's gonna learn now you can't make those plays that
you did in college. You can't take those sacks as
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as fits and Wit always inform me and educate me
because I'm a defensive player, so I'm not thinking about
the way a quarterback is maneuvering to to to make
sure he's not throwing in completions, or how the sacks
that they're taking is affecting the offensive line but not
affecting his QBR and and completion percentage, et cetera, et cetera.
He's gonna have to get over that. And I think
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he's trying to make sure the numbers look like they're
supposed to look like. But this is the National Football League.
Let the ball go, live, to fight another down, save
the yards. And I think that's gonna be the learning
curve for him going forward, is that, Hey, you can't
protect your completion percentage and all that that way, you're
not gonna be able to do it. If if they
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get to you quick, you're gonna have to let it go.
You're gonna have to dirk the ball and you're gonna
have to get us to the next play. It can't
be second in twenty five and think, oh man, we're
gonna keep taking second, second and twenty fives and try
to dig ourselves out of the hole. But you've gone
eight for ten for one hundred and forty yards in
two touchdowns at that times is gonna look worse than that.
At times it's gonna look like you're I don't know,
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You're gonna be eight for nineteen for one hundred and
forty yards in four Five of those are gonna be
throwaways because the pressure got there, you had nowhere to
go with the ball. You got quick pressure and you
had to get the ball. Like people understand that they're
watching the games, that would come off better than taking
these sacks. But that's something a young quarterback is gonna learn.
He played really well on his first start, had a
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rough outing in his second start. It's football. It's unfortunately
we won't get to see him again unless something drastic
happens until next year. That's the life of a backup
quarterback in the National Football League. There are only thirty
two starters at the position, and he's behind multiple guys.
Joe Flaccos stays relatively healthy, easy, and he's playing really
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good football. He's a good quarterback. If he was playing
behind a rookie or a guy who doesn't have a
lot of experience, a guy who has a short least,
and there's a chance that they would rep him in practice,
he'd get to develop throughout the season, getting you know,
a few reps with the starters here and there. Obviously,
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the starting quarterbacks get majority of the reps. The backups
usually do the scout team, but the Browns keeping four
quarterbacks will be head scratching because there's only a limited
amount of spots in the NFL and having three guys
who aren't contributing on game day on your roster, on
your active roster when you have got, you know, offensive
line issues where offensive linemen defensive linemen get banged up
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and you got to have another guy in the on
the bench that can come in and play. I don't know,
I don't know if they're going to do that. I
think this is gonna be the position. I mean, this
is the point we've been waiting for to see what
they do with Shador standards, whether they trade him, whether
they cut him, because keeping forward is a head scratching decision.
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I mean, even nowadays, keeping three active is a head
scratcher for a lot of teams because roster spots are
so valuable. So everybody has to be a contributor, whether
it's on special teams, whether it's an offensive defensive You
may be the sixth receiver and you're the putt returner
kick returner, like you have to have a role that
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you play and an impact a fourth strings quarterback being
on the active roster. It's nothing to say about Shador.
It just doesn't make roster sense in the NFL. It
does not make sense. That's why they don't do it.
They don't. Those are the practice squad quarterbacks who who
played the scout team. And usually still you don't keep four,
you keep three. So this is new, this is interesting.
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I would say I would think they would move him,
get the draft pick, send him somewhere. Who would who
would value him and need him more than you would
need him? Obviously you feel good with Kenny Pickett, Dylan Gabriel.
That's what I've heard. That's the way the depth chart says.
I think I think they should move him somewhere. I
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think the Saints would be a good landing spot. I think, uh,
the Las Vegas Raiders, obviously they're looking for a veteran
backup that that would give him a chance to develop,
uh under Pete Carroll on his staff. I think there
are a few destinations that make sense for a rookie Pittsburgh,
a guy he could go in there and learn from
Aaron Rodgers, you know, develop behind him, learn that offense,
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great coach and Tomlin. But I think you got to
move him. I think you gotta move him. I think
it's becoming too much of a distraction in Cleveland, and
that's what a big name quarterback is gonna do. When
you drafted him, you knew the name, you knew the claim,
you knew the hype that comes with him, the crowd,
the fan fare, and now there they're Kevin Stefanski's gonna
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have is having to answer questions, real life questions, each
and every press conference about a fourth stream quarterback. Like
that's the kind of energy and attention and headlines that
Shador Sanders. He's Dion Sanders' son, He's a quarterback. It's
going to be an issue, and that's what any other
team is going to have to be willing to take
on if they trade for him. But there are teams
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where he would be competitive and and and I think
he could help. I think Saints are one of them.
You know, you got a young quarterback who's inexperienced. Can
you develop him? Is there a quarterback competition that could
develop there? I'm sure there is. I thought they would
draft him in the beginning, but I don't think it's
a good idea for the Browns to keep him as
a fourth string quarterback on the active roster when you
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have so many other holes that you need to feel
when filling out a game day roster, especially your first
fifty three and if you cut him, I think one
of these teams just picks him up on waivers and
you don't see him again, Like there's no way he's
in my opinion. But I also didn't see him going
in the fifth round of the NFL draft. But I
don't think there's a way he makes it through waivers
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and he comes back to you on practice squad. That'd
be really surprising. If that happens, then they knew something
that we didn't, and good job on the Browns and
in great decisions, and it makes sense. But I don't
think he makes it through waivers. I think there are
teams that would poach him and do exactly what I said.
He'd be on their practice squad or on their active rosters.
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So I'm interested to see how that goes. There are
people making a lot of noise about the offensive line
he played against. This is I mean play behind this
the NFL. That's what happens. That's what happens. You know,
these guys at the end of a preseason, the third
preseason game, these are most likely the guys that are
getting cut. Most of these guys, unless somebody does something incredible.
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There are receivers you can go for two hundred yards
and you're probably still getting cut. The decisions are likely
already made. These are just guys getting a chance to
put things on tape audition for the other thirty one
teams that could potentially pick you up after you get cut.
Whether it's practice squad or active roster. It's an audition.
But it's not like this is something really crazy, and
I know people are like, man, he set him up
to f failure. I didn't understand not allowing him to
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do the two minutes real. I think that just might
have been their rotation. They gave him, They had a
certain amount of plays that they wanted him to do.
Then they wanted to give Huntley an opportunit before they
cut him the next day. Those are things that wouldn't
look as unusual in another situation, but look unusual in
this situation because of all the attention on Shador. I
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think Shador is going to be successful in NFL. I
think when you put him behind an offensive line that
isn't very good and he gets early pressure in his
rookie year, is gonna be tough. He's out there with
third stringers, third string receivers, it's gonna be tough. But
I don't think that's an indication of, you know, where
his career is gonna trend or where he's gonna go.
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I think that's just a rookie dealing with rough circumstances.
He'll continue to develop something he'll learn from wats to
tape and improve. You got to throw the ball away,
you got to get rid of it. You can't take
those sacks. It's not hard to understand for me or
anybody else. But this preseason we could talk about the
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Seattle Seahawks that that I'm wearing. They had a really
great training camp and great preseason. UH had great conversations
with with Mike McDonald and and just the changes that
he made. Obviously, you guys seen the interview, but outside
of the interview, had more conversations, and it's just a
different energy with the team. It's a different energy from him,
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a different understanding in year two, some tweaks and some adjustments.
Obviously on the offensive side of the ball, the running
game looks totally different. It looks like they have an identity,
a toughness. UH Gray's abel looks really good. Obviously there's
gonna be some learning there, but there's a togetherness in
the offensive line room that that that hasn't been there
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in over a decade, and not that they haven't had
good teams. It's just a different kind of continuity, a
different kind of togetherness, brotherhood, chemistry, whatever you want to
call it. Guys that that respect each other and want
to show up for each other, uh and sacrifice for
one another. You start to hear that in an offensive
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line room, you start to say, Okay, all right, this
could be a special group, because that's not the case everywhere.
That's not the case in every locker room or every
offensive line where there's gonna be hey man, I'm let
me take my wrist up today because I don't want
to let my brother down. He's depending on me to
be in the spot I'm gonna be in. Like, offensive
line rooms are are the big fellas. They are together,
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They protectors and all that good stuff. But sometimes there's
a selfishness to them. You know, if I'm hurt, I'm
gonna take care of myself and get myself right before
I go out there and not put anything bad on film.
That's natural in the National Football League. But when you
start to hear guys saying they're gonna sacrifice, they're gonna
tape up, they're gonna make sure they go out there
even if they're not one hundred percent, they've banged up
because they're not letting their brother down. Then those are
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guys that are playing for something else and playing with
a little more umph. And so that's the conversations that
I'm hearing around the building when you go in there
and you talk to the offensive line and you talk
to the coaches and the staff and the other players,
and you see that on tape. You see that that
mid zone that's flit zone at outside zone working really effectively.
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Charbonnay and all the other backs had some real success
in this preseason. They rushed for I think two hundred
and sixty eight yards against the Kansas City Chiefs. Not
that the Kansas City Chiefs had, you know, their world
beaters out there, But that doesn't happen very often in
any preseason game. I mean, I don't know this entire
preseason in any other game if a team ran for two
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sixty eight. So that's an encouraging sign, especially with the
struggles they had running the football last year, and how
that will open up the pass game with JSN and
Cooper Cup and all those guys. It's gonna be interesting.
And defensively, they just are playing with a fire and
intensity that that hasn't been there in years. They're playing
with a confidence energy. I mean, you've seen the fights
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and all that in Green Bay. You don't want to
see that. But you also see guys standing up for
one another and and coming up and handling business. They're
not taking they're not taking no shit from people, and
that's what it's about. It's about imposing your will on defense.
You're running, you hit, and you're not about to bully us.
You're not about to punk us like we're here. And
they played a lot of this preseason without their starters.
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You know, you haven't played you have Jay Reid, you
haven't had Leonnard Williams out there. You're you're not playing
with all your starters, your big boys up front, DeMarcus Lawrence,
You're not You're not playing with all your your the
guys that are gonna be there on opening day. And
so I'm really excited for them and what they're gonna
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be defensively. Offensively, if they're running a ball like that,
what it's going to open up for for the past game.
It looks like they they're gonna be something special this year,
but they got to put it together and put it
on tape, so we'll see. But it's been encouraging things
going on for the for the Seattle Seahawks and and
those the fans. You guys should be really excited. Uh So,
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let me switch my cap my other tha AT's that
fortific sco forty nine ers and again a very top
heavy roster full of some of the best players in
the National Football League, evidenced by the top one hundred
rankings or whatever. But you still got Trent Williams healthy.
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Christian McCaffrey by all accounts, looks very good, looks dynamic.
They traded for Brian Robinson, which I think is an
incredible move. Isaac Garrindo if he gets healthy, you know,
be another contributor, but a veteran in Brian. I think
he's been a good back. I think he had eight
hundred yards and eight touchdowns last year. Fred Warner can
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all Pro, Fred Bosa. These are premier guys that are
premier positions who are going to help this team. Ricky
Pursall looked good and in the preseason games he's played.
The connection with brock Purty looks like it's incredible. George Kittle,
of course, the all pro best tight end in football.
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I think that's gonna be a on. It's gonna it's
gonna come down to how healthy they can be. But
that offensive line and the same issues that have presented
itself for the last few years, or the same issues
that are still there. Can they stand up in pass pro?
They've shown success enough success in the run game to
to to get that respect and to think, hey, it's
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gonna be fine. They're gonna be able to run the football.
Christian mccaffery's gonna find the holes. He's gonna they're gonna
be fine there. But can everybody outside of Trent Williams
hold up in pass pro and protect brock perty and
give him the time to be the efficient quarterback that
he has been When he's protected and he's got time
to deal, he's a really effective quarterback. But no quarterbacks
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effective when he gets pressure or pocket collapses. And that's
been the achilles heel of this offense. And that was
the achilles heel of this offense last year. Obviously, there
was some separation issues at the receiver spot that Juwan
Jennings Uh solved a lot of times, especially on third down.
That situation is starting to get to be what I
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what I kind of hinted at earlier in training camp,
like this calf we're we're we're at the end of
August now, so it's starting to seem more like like
posturing than an actual injury. And again, this is how
it goes. This is how negotiations goes. A guy wants something.
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He is using what is in his means, what is
in in his ability to within the constructs of his
contract to negotiate the leverage that he has. He's exercising.
It is what it is. I'm not Look, you guys
can be mad at it. I've been a player. I
want him to get as much money as they can.
You gotta do what you gotta do now. As a fan,
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you want him to play. You know how, he's gonna
make an impact. It could be a great season for him,
a season that propels him Uh even into an even
bigger U stratosphere in a bigger contract. But he's doing
what he can to try to secure his family and
the secure the bag right now. Can't really be mad
at that, but they're gonna have to figure it out.
They're gonna have to figure out what they're gonna do
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with him, whether they move on from him and trade him,
or they pay him so that he's out there on
week one. But he's gonna be a pivotal part of
this offense going forward, especially with Brandon Ayuk sideline till
at least week six to week ten, depending on how
he progresses. You need him there. You need this young
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receiving corp to have a veteran there. Brock perty to
have a guy he knows he can depend on, a
guy you know, can separate, can get open in a
phone booth. And Juwan Jennings is there. He's also a
tone setter for this offense. He's also the attitude, the energy,
the muscle along with you know, George Kitto and everybody else,
but he brings a different element. He brings that element
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of a bully an attitude to this team and this offense.
So it's something that's necessary, especially opening the game in
Seattle against the Seattle Seahawks, who have looked really good
in the preseason, looked really good in training camp. A
defense that's gonna be trying to impose their will and
creating identity and establish an identity. You're gonna you're gonna
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need to. You're gonna need to. You're gonna need him
on the field. Kyle Shanahan said he expects him to
be ready week one. He expects him to be back
for week one. That's a positive sign. That's that's that's great.
But we'll have to hear about him going to practice
and going through the motions and practice. If he's there
week one, uh, that'd be a great sign for this offense. Uh.
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But defensively still a lot of question marks. I'm sure
there's gonna be some waiver wire pickups. Even though on
the offensive and defensive line, there's gonna be some waiver
wire pickups. Are those draft picks who you thought they
were playing defensive tackle as a rookie? International Football League
is rough. This is a veteran game. In some of
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these offensive line they have people movers, and so you
usually want to have that big veteran UH in there
who's been established that krusty veteran plays first and second down,
does not move, understands double teams, understands, you know how
to keep them off as linebackers, et cetera, et cetera.
So I'm expecting them to be very active on the
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waiver wire and in free agency once these cuts happened,
or in the trades. Obviously they trade traded for Sky
Moore as well, because the receiving corps has been so depleted.
Are they going to use him in that Deebo Samuel role,
you know, on the end of rounds in the backfield
to try to continue to have that dynamic that Kyle
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Shanahan has had for the last five years. I think so. Obviously,
he's also a talented returner and they'll use him in
that space. But I think they've got to make some
moves to strengthen the depth of their offs and defensive line,
and the only way they can do that right now
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is through trades or picking up guys that have been
cut or released. The secondary is also banged up, so
you got to you gotta get together, you gotta get together.
Hopefully these guys op up in Stout is ready, Ronardo
Green is ready for Week one. That that would answer
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a lot of those questions. If they're healthy, I think
they'll be solid back there. Ronardo so showed a lot
of flashes. Obviously, we know what Diamador Lenor has. The
linebackers will be great, But in the special teams, looks
like it improved. You know, big play. There were a
few big plays in the preseason. You know, I know
fans are really concerned about Jake Moody because that's the
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wildcard and you're not you're not ever supposed to be
holding your breath for pats with a kicker or every kick.
You're like, you know, is this gonna be? Is this
going in? And you want consistency, You want to have
an expectation. Hey, these are dependable. You can get three.
You can get three. This is the National Football League. Hey,
you're within the forty, you're inside the forty. You know
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this is three. And that's what they had for a
long time with Robbie Gold And I know San Francisco
fans are sitting there like some of them are like,
we're ready to get rid of Robbie. And now you're
looking back like, oh, looking at pictures of Robbie, Like hmm,
that sure was nice to have that kind of consistency.
But they looks like they're rolling with Jake Moody. I
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would have guess he's gonna have a short leash. If
if things don't go well in the first few games,
or or something happens and he doesn't kick well, I
would imagine that they're going to bring other people in.
But they seem to believe that he's the guy for
the job, and they continue to show confidence in him.
He did hit the game winner the other day in
the preseason game, but then you see the missed at
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pat and then the kickout of bounds and you're like,
come on, but it looks like he's gonna be the guy.
So wrap your heads around that he's gonna be the guy.
He's gonna be out there. Hopefully he shows the promise
that they that he showed when they drafted him in
the third round, because if he doesn't, I think they're
gonna be picking it outside of Levi to get it,
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bringing bring in a new kicker. But there's gonna be
a lot of players available. It's the cut deadline. There's
gonna be people that are cut that weren't you weren't expecting.
There's gonna be players that available that I think weren't
available earlier here here in safety. Kyle Dugger is available.
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The Patriots have made him available. It looks like the
San Francisco forty nine ers have made e Brown available
as well, So there's gonna be a lot of things
that change. I don't think you're gonna find any guys
you're gonna bring in and make immediate starters. Maybe at
the receiver spot you may find guys that that are
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impact players. But I think you're gonna see your roster
trains pretty pretty not drastically, but pretty reasonably as these
cuts happen and players become available. I expect the Sanfrans
Francisco for Doners as much as anybody, to be active,
especially offensive and defensive line depth and at the receiver
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spot like if they if they can get them. I'm
seeing Jacoby Myers is looking for a trade out of
Las Vegas. I doubt they grant him that he's been
their number one receiver. H We'll see, we'll see. But
as always, I appreciate you guys joining me. You could
be anywhere in the world, but you choose to be
here with me getting your NFL news, and I sure
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do appreciate it. We're gonna be back with a season
preview and more updates as these cuts and trades and
transactions happen, Stay tuned,