The Romo Snap Game with Colin Cowherd | Cowboys vs. Seahawks - The Herd with Colin Cowherd

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
If you pulled a seat up to a bar and
you sat next to a guy for ten minutes and
he was right for ten minutes. After about ten minutes,
you're like, he's kind of obnoxious. But if you pulled
up to a guy that had an eyepatch he was
telling crazy stories, you turn to your buddies and go
get over here, and you'd stay for two hours. Right?
Is overrated? Interesting is what wins the audience.

Speaker 2 (00:22):
Today we have a very special guest. We have calling
Coward broadcasting legend. He's on everyone's TV every morning, the
host of the Herd on FS one and the owner
of the volume in a giant desk.

Speaker 1 (00:37):
Why is it so big?

Speaker 2 (00:39):
And today we are looking at the Tony Romo Snap game,
the two thousand and six NFC wild Card game between
the Cowboys and the Seahawks.

Speaker 1 (00:53):
But I thought it was so emblematic of Tony's career,
wild ad libbed hold your breath, that was always tony
row whole career. If Brady is all about details pre snap,
Tony's the opposite. Unbelievable.

Speaker 2 (01:06):
How crazy is this? We also talk about what he
really thinks about the Cowboys.

Speaker 1 (01:10):
I think they're a flawed Football Operation. I argue, it's
about time to move off.

Speaker 2 (01:15):
Dat are they ever going to get a past this curse?
Games with Names is a production of iHeartRadio. Welcome to
Games and Names. I'm Julian Edelman, He's Kyler. Jack is
back in North Carolina. But he dialed in.

Speaker 3 (01:30):
He's blowing up the phone. He's dialed in.

Speaker 2 (01:32):
He's dialed in, and we are on the search to
find the greatest game of all time. On today's episode,
we are covering the Romo Snap game.

Speaker 3 (01:42):
It's a fun one.

Speaker 2 (01:43):
Two thousand and six NFC Wild Card game, wild Card
game Cowboys versus the Seahawks, with the host of the
Herd on FS one and the owner of the volume
broadcasting legend calling coward smart man.

Speaker 3 (02:02):
So smart. We were all anxious all morning making sure
we're nice and tight because he knew he was gonna
bring it, and he did bring it.

Speaker 2 (02:07):
He brought it. You know, he brought it. I got nervous.
He just knows how to talk.

Speaker 3 (02:14):
He just knows what he's doing so well. We talked
a little bit about his like craft of like putting
on a show, and we were just like I was
taking notes. Firstly, because there's a lot of good stuff
that he has and he's been doing it for so
long and is the reason why he's a pro.

Speaker 2 (02:26):
Well. We also we also talk about what he really
thinks about the Cowboys.

Speaker 3 (02:30):
Sure does.

Speaker 2 (02:31):
Oh he's got some advice for all our cowboy fans. Hey,
sometimes you gotta take a tea spoon to cement with it.
Tough enough, well, tough enough. His journey on becoming a
master broadcaster.

Speaker 3 (02:44):
Yeah, that's a fun story.

Speaker 2 (02:45):
Yeah, obsessed, you guys will understand. And he even gives
us a couple tips on being an analyst and how
to formulate a show and the.

Speaker 3 (02:57):
Key ingredient for a successful podcast.

Speaker 2 (03:00):
Key ingredients for a successful podcast. I need to eat
those ingredients. And then we wrap it up with the
show of hitting the old hotline Bling. Let's go. January sixth,
two thousand and seven, Questfield, Seattle, Washington.

Speaker 1 (03:22):
Just over a minute to play, Dallas lines up for
a field goal to extend their season.

Speaker 2 (03:27):
Romo takes a snap, He bombles it. Oh my gosh,
he's taking off for the end zone.

Speaker 1 (03:33):
This is is the Romo snap gave.

Speaker 2 (03:43):
Welcome to Games with Names. Today, we have a very
special guest. We have Colin Coward, founder of the volume,
which is an unbelievable podcast. What is that?

Speaker 1 (03:54):
A network now digital podcast, gambling.

Speaker 2 (03:57):
Network out And he's on Everyone TV every morning from
nine to twelve here out in LA on the Colin
Coward Show. I watch every day. It's awesome to have you.
And today we are looking at the Tony Romos Snap game,
the two thousand and six NFC wild Card game between
the Cowboys and the Seahawks. Colin, why this game?

Speaker 1 (04:20):
Well, I think it was a great era of football.
Young Al Michaels on the call, all the energy and
Madden and Madden and Madden. It's in Seattle, which is
spacific Northwest, is the closest city to where I grew up.
It was a real ping pong match back and forth
two legendary coaches, Bill Parcell's iconic Bill and one of

(04:42):
the more underretted coaches of my lifetime, Mike Hombrean and
really old school coaches like Wisdom guys mentors to many
other coaches, like not all coaches. Andy Reid's a mentor
to many. And the game was great because two of
the most underretted quarterbacks in my life Hasselback, who hits
Jeremy Stevens to take a lead and Tony Romo, who

(05:04):
got a lot of crap but I always thought was
a really good quarterback. But that play that symbolizes it,
and Parcel said it made him so sick he got
out of coaching. He went and took a Miami gig
as a GM. Eventually, but Tony didn't fumble the snap.
He fumbled the hold and then in classic Tony style,
he was so damn athletic he almost grabbed it and

(05:26):
ran in and then it was justin. There was a
defensive back for the Seahawks that literally grabbed his toe.
Otherwise Romo would have moved it in. But I thought
it was so emblematic of Tony's career. Wild ad libbed
almost really close, hold your breath. That was always Tony

(05:47):
Romo's career underrated. All his games were fun, kind of
off the cuff. Is if Brady is all about details
pre snap, almost mechanical, Tony's the opposite. Tony's sort of like,
you know, I got about six players irun and some
of this is just going to be by the gut,
and that's how he played. And that to me, that

(06:09):
that play is classic Tony. He drove him down the field,
he got him in position to win, and then then
he fumbles the snap, yet still so talented, almost takes
that and runs in.

Speaker 2 (06:21):
He he he kind of had a little case of
the the yips in there when he because it was
a good, good snap. But then when you have this
jewel which I was watching, and this a parcel, this
a parcel ran team, So there's a lot of you know,
I'm into that because a bill and I'm sitting there.
He didn't call fire soon enough. So when you watch

(06:41):
Tony romo fire, you have a if something goes down,
you call the fire call. You got the two guys
two wings or hitting the flag rounds, you got got
into the flat. So like he almost yipped a little,
but he he got surprised that he dropped the snap
and then like that was like a second off. So
I feel like it just it was one he was
too big of a moment.

Speaker 1 (07:01):
They weren't quite prepared for the moment.

Speaker 2 (07:03):
They weren't prepared for that.

Speaker 1 (07:04):
Always felt a little bit not a shot at Tony
that he was like Farv probably spent a little less
time in the film room, but was so gifted. He
could win a lot of games regardless.

Speaker 2 (07:15):
Yeah, and Farvar had Homegren. Is this the greatest game
of all time?

Speaker 1 (07:20):
No, but it's a game. You told me to pick
a game that mattered to me, and it's just an
incredibly important game, and a lot of it's in my hometown.
You know, Holmgren got to a Super Bowl. They hassled
back there before. Yep, they couldn't win the Super Bowl. Actually,
it's the only Super Bowl where I thought officiating was
really poor. I thought Pittsburgh got a couple of really

(07:41):
fortunate calls. Pittsburgh was good, though, But I just always
loved I loved Romo the player and Hassleback the player.
I love Parcels and Holmgren, old school coaches. You can
hear Madden and a younger al Michaels. It's really just
great football.

Speaker 2 (07:54):
It was, and you know, this was very This was
in my era of football when I was like a kid.
I was coming into college and it was still a
little tricky for me to see Parcells, who you knew
as the Giants head coach with the Cowboys the storylines
of this game, and then you see home Grin who
came over. He's in like a six or seventh year

(08:15):
from the Packers winning a Super Bowl.

Speaker 1 (08:17):
There with Rebuilt the Seahawks.

Speaker 2 (08:19):
Rebuilt the Seahawks were a joke, a mess, a joke,
and it was Sean Alexander was on the Madden covert
the Hurt got Hurt this year. There was just so
many storylines. When I was researching and doing this game,
I was like, man, this is when football was football.
But one thing did did hit me when you watch
this game for two great coaches, there was a lot

(08:40):
of sloppy football. A lot of sloppy football.

Speaker 1 (08:44):
Well, yes, because I don't think these were fully formed teams.

Speaker 2 (08:49):
There was a lot of backups playing. There were beat
up yep. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (08:51):
And I think you know I always felt with your
Patriot teams. We were talking about this yesterday on the
show about foundational players and the Patriots. For a defensive coach,
I really viewed Tom's the second part of the dynasty.
You Gronk and Brady were the foundational players all offense,

(09:12):
and offense is a timing game. Football is kind of
an aggressive, blowing shit up game. And it's really interesting
these teams. There were a lot of players. Both teams
were beat up.

Speaker 2 (09:22):
It was late.

Speaker 1 (09:23):
The weather was a little choppy for a you know,
Dallas is kind of a warm weather indoor team. They
go up to the Pacific Northwest, where, by the way,
all those teams hate going in January. It's wet, it's gross.
You'd rather get cold and dry than forty eight and wet,
and so it was. It's just there's a lot you know,
a lot of the great games are imperfect. That's why

(09:44):
they're great drama. And I think a lot of your games.
When I would watch the Patriot games, you were the
rare football team. I almost always knew what you were.
I knew what you were on first down, on third down,
fourth quarter, right after half. Not that Patriot games weren't.

Speaker 2 (10:00):
They were boring kind you could say they were born.

Speaker 1 (10:03):
You were an efficient dynasty.

Speaker 2 (10:05):
We wanted to be boring. Yeah, we wanted it to
be close to the very end, and then we knew
that that team was gonna break because we were a
more mentally tough be We were in better shade, and
you were situationally brilliant and situationally brilliant. Which I just
had a call with Ernie Adams and he's coming to
do our show again next week. And he specifically him

(10:26):
and his wife are like, we want to get into
situational football. We want to educate people what situational football is.
So coming to you guys soon, we got Ernie Adams,
situational football guru, who honestly is one of the innovators
of situational football.

Speaker 1 (10:42):
I thought he in the that ten part series on
the Patriots Dynasty, I thought he was one of the
more fascinating parts of Elements. I mean, Bill Belichick didn't
lean on a lot of people. I felt Ernie was.
And this is such a great compliment by Bill, but
it's a greater compliment to Ernie. Bill taught a lot

(11:07):
around Ernie. He seemed to listen a lot. Like that's
the ultimate compliment. When smart people have their guy they
lean on and they do a lot of listening. So
you know, Bill's mostly imparting wisdom and intellect throughout the
course of his day. Ernie is the time that he
asked a question and listened.

Speaker 2 (11:24):
You know. It's just he's a Collins a pro, you know.
And that's why I watch your show is because a
lot of the shit that you come up with in
your head and I know the behind the stories a
lot of the times it's I'm like this, motherfuckers, you
know something. It's just how calculated and how you study
behavioral and you really do your work. And that's crazy

(11:44):
because that's really what it was with Ernie. Ernie was
Ernie's like a computer, and Bill knew how to communicate
that computer, and he would go to that computer whenever
it was situational and if there was a rule, cause
or something, whenever it was any kind of scenario that
they were about to get into, and it could be
in the middle of a game. They were on the

(12:06):
same wavelength where they'd be sitting and talking the situation
and Ernie talked about this and he goes, yeah, you know,
we're down fourteen points here. We haven't ran the ball
very well. That kind of reminds me of back in
eighty eight when we were playing against this team as
a giant, you know, so like these guys are literally
quantifying and just rubbing each other's minds like that, And

(12:26):
it's it's true.

Speaker 1 (12:27):
I think football coaches and players the great ones are compartmentalizers.
Is that you can separate your emotion from your details.
It's a highly emotional game. But it was like Muhammad
Ali could situationally against George Foreman say I'm gonna let
him beat on me. Yeah, you go ahead. I'm gonna

(12:48):
let you wear yours as hard as a fighter. I'm
gonna let you take shots at me. If one of
the things I always thought was so smart about New
England and I couldn't do this, my wife can do this.
My wife will once a month say a line I've
known her seventeen years, and I'll be like, where'd you
get that? She goes, oh god, I heard that years ago.

(13:09):
I said, you saved that until this moment. If I
get a funny line that shit's out at dinner, I
can't hold it for a day. My wife can hold
a line forever. And one day I made a mistake
on something and she said, Honey, you're right or you're learning.
It's only wrong if you do it twice. And I
was like, Jesus, could you give me that fifteen years ago?

(13:30):
I could have used that fifteen years ago. So I
think what football, the really smart football coaches and players
do is practice repetition. Wrote so you memorize it, but
you're able to store things and yet bring those out
of the door. Your pass against Baltimore. That's crazy to

(13:52):
me that you guys practice that over and over it's
cold weather. You then, as a receiver have to throw
a perfect pass against an elite defense. That's the ability
to compartmentalize, not only mentally but physically. That to me
is amazing. And the great coaches and players do that.

Speaker 2 (14:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (14:11):
That.

Speaker 1 (14:12):
Damian Woody always told me the story. He said, we
practiced a third down red zone play in New England
for two years. He goes, I so f and tired
of practice in it, and then we face Kansas City.
We bring it out in like week sixteen, and he
goes at works and he goes I remember walking back
to the sidelines talking to guy. I'm like, dude, we're
just smarter than everybody else. We're just doing things different

(14:33):
than everybody.

Speaker 2 (14:34):
Else, you know. And me and Matthew Slater used to
have these things called the State of the Unions. We
were roommates. We lived together for four or five years,
and we'd be sitting in a team meeting and Bill
would lay out the keys what we had to do
that week in the game, and he would lay it out,
we had this, this and this, If we do that,

(14:54):
we will win the game, and this will happen, and
there'd be like four or five in a season where
he would do that. We would lit like after the game,
we're watching film, We're like, oh my god, he literally
called the game out because we were prepared for everything. Yeah,
And speaking of preparation, I want to know what's your
prep going in too, like a work day, like your

(15:18):
day to day life when you're doing you're preparing for
your show. Are you sitting at home when you get
home from the show. I know you have a great
relationship with your wife and you hang out with her
and your kids, but you always digest some sport that
night or some kind of content that night. Are you
watching that content thinking you're going into your show? Because
I always pull something from what you watch the night before.

(15:40):
Is that all? Like, how do you prepare for all this?
Like a three hour show?

Speaker 1 (15:44):
Well, I really prepare for a one and a half
hour show, and then I usually have a guest in
the last hour and I let the show develop. So
you can't prepare for the whole show, nor do I
want to. I want to let it breathe. So my
first hour is a lot of me just sort of
erupting and giving you, you know, emoting, vomiting. Here's my takes,

(16:05):
and then I kind of I tease stuff. Top of
the hour, I do Colin right, Colin wrong, the hierarchy
blazing five. So I try to either before I go
to bed or drive home, have my lead. I don't
want to hear I don't want it cluttered. I don't
want to hear anybody else's opinion. I'll turn on music
driving in, or a news radio station I want to have.
I'm kind of formulating it as I drive in. I

(16:27):
drive in. I've got a big staff and they lay
out twenty stories.

Speaker 2 (16:30):
I pick five.

Speaker 1 (16:31):
I usually have the first two big takes of the day,
but then it's about ninety minutes we just pitch. I
have guys say funny lines. I write a funny line down.
You know, yesterday we didn't get our lead until the
very last take, Like somebody said something and I said, uh, oh,
that's really funny. And so a lot of times, instead

(16:53):
of building out in, I'll build in out. So if
somebody gave me a great line, I'll find in the
line and I'll figure out a way to build around
the line. So a guy gave me a line. A
couple of days ago, I was talking about Tua looking small,
and one of the guys in the room I said,
I like, I said, Philip Rivers, that's what I want
my quarterback to look like. And a guy in the

(17:13):
room said, you like your quarterbacks like you like your furniture,
big and hard to move. And I said, that's a
great line. I'm going to build around that line. So
I didn't have a topic. I said, that's a funny line.
Let's build it to a topic around that. Because it
was one of those topics. I was like, I don't
know if it's a topic, it's a topic. I like
the line so much, that's the payoff to the audience.

(17:34):
So sometimes I build out the big topics Dan Hurley,
we build it. Other times I just get a funny
line and I think that's too good of a line.
That'll go viral. That's funny, let's make And I had
four friends text that to me, like in the building,
They're like, that's good. So sometimes I have it. Sometimes
I don't, but we spitball in the morning. Yeah, And
I tell everybody we're not into being right. I'm not

(17:58):
interested in that. We want to get it right. Let's
just have the right topic, the right story. It's not
about winning the room.

Speaker 2 (18:04):
Shit.

Speaker 1 (18:04):
I don't care if I'm wrong. If you've got a
better take, I'll take it. And so I'm the oldest
guy in the room. I have a lot of young
guys without kids. They'll often watch every game. You know,
I'll watch most, but you know, on Sunday, I just
sit down with a notepad. But I like people sometimes
to just you know, hey, this game last night's fascinating.

(18:25):
Here's a moment in it. I watch a six minute
YouTube clip, I play catch up. We write stuff around it.
So it's very collaborative. It's very much about the team.
The team knows my sensibility, what makes me laugh, what doesn't.
I don't care about the guests until the show starts.
I it's about me. It's called the herd, it's not
called the guest. So you have to that's a Rush
Limbaugh thing. You got to drive your show. The guest

(18:48):
is wonderful. Like if you're on, I'm like, oh, that's
twenty minutes. We're gonna get a number. But if I
don't get a number in the first hour, the show
doesn't rate. So I gotta win the first hour. Then
I'm gonna tease you in the second half. So I
try to put my best guest at five after the
second hour. I tease it, I tease it, I tease it,
and then you pop. Well, if my first two hours pop,

(19:10):
I don't, the third's fine. So there's a real science
to it, there's a methodology to it.

Speaker 2 (19:15):
It's situational TV, folks, kind of it is a situational TV.
What do you got, Kyler, Well, this is amazing. I
love this.

Speaker 3 (19:21):
I'm soaking all this up. Because we're kind of new
into the podcast media game and Jules is not lying.
We'll have you on pretty much all morning and then
I'll switch to McAfee and that's pretty much how our
days are. So you mentioned that you kind of like
like to start with a nugget or like a line sometimes. Yeah,
So like, let's say you come up with the Tua
is small. Now, will you have something like that affect

(19:41):
your opinion or will you say, I think Tua is
X Y and Z as a as a just a
personality or how you view the game. And to a
small is a good thing because he's in shape and
he's ready for the season or two is not looking.

Speaker 1 (19:52):
Like is that all loyal?

Speaker 3 (19:55):
You know?

Speaker 1 (19:55):
Bill Morrowis says this, I'm loyal to the show. I'm
loyal to whatever the best content is. Like when I
lived in New England, Yeah, you become there's an affinity
with the team because I just like watched everything. So
there's people you like and players you like, and that
absolutely shades your view on something. You know, I found myself.

(20:16):
I liked the intellect of New England. I like the toughness,
the resilience, the intellect. I like smart football, So yeah,
you that way, or I would say every city I
live in. You know, when I liked yukon basketball, I
would have never picked you come. I like their grittiness,
their toughness. So I were loyal to the content, whatever

(20:37):
the best joke is or the best story is. So
for me, I'm loyal to the show. I want Caleb
Williams to be unbelievable. And then all of a sudden,
Detroit pulls back and you're like, oh, now we got
a catfight. Now we Detroit's overrated. Here comes shit and
we're calling Caleb mahomes by week eight. That's just good
for the show.

Speaker 2 (20:58):
I talked about it today to do so media outlets.
That's the most interesting story to me is that NFC
North Yeah, I mean, that's that's gonna be a tough division.
I mean, is Jordan love for real? We got two
months and.

Speaker 1 (21:14):
The Lions actually as a favorite win.

Speaker 2 (21:17):
Can they win?

Speaker 4 (21:18):
What?

Speaker 2 (21:19):
Chicago for the first time ever in the history of
their organization actually helped the quarterback around them and rafted
a quarterback you know what I mean? Like and then
also Minnesota with koc like he he knows how to
get production out of offense. I'm a little worried about
their defense and the quarterback. But that's gonna be an
interesting topic. And especially being with Fox, you know, we

(21:42):
talk a lot about the NFC teams. I've I've learned
over the last two years. Now you're from the Northwest.
How did this were you? Like? Did you always? Were
you always into the broadcast world or did you did
you play sport? How did this fandom come come above?

Speaker 4 (21:58):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (21:59):
I was I was a you know, little all star
Little League year of college basketball. Loved high school basketball.

Speaker 2 (22:05):
Over what position?

Speaker 1 (22:06):
Shooting guard, gunner, terrible bad ankles. I went to Eastern
Washington University.

Speaker 2 (22:11):
Probably shoot up a storm, though I didn't.

Speaker 1 (22:14):
Do anything up a storm. I was up a cree. Basically,
I didn't do much up a storm. I was a
quarterback in high school football, very marginal athlete, small league.
I made All Conference in basketball one year, I think,
but I mean not a great athlete, tall and coordinated,
and you know basketball who my backyard played all day
every day. But when I was eight years seven, eight
years old, I always remember my mom saying this. She said,

(22:35):
you went from eight to adult. You were eight to
forty four years old. My mom always said, you just
knew exactly what you wanted to do. I would get
a tape recorder. I would do the games in my bedroom.
There was no like when I went to college. There
was a bunch of guys that were in you know,
journalism or radio, TV, and I knew instantly it was different.

(22:57):
This was all I was.

Speaker 2 (22:58):
Going to do.

Speaker 1 (22:58):
They were all nice guys, and they were all kind
of like glib or funny. I was obsessed by it.
On a Friday night, I wouldn't drink. I would record
AM radio in this big box I had. I'd record
baseball games and write notes and I was always obsessed
by it. So it's like anything else. There have been
guys that are bigger and faster than you, but you
were at some level probably obsessed with football, either the learning,

(23:22):
the route, running, the physicality. Even now the way you
eat and take care of your body. There's an obsessive
nature to a lot of successful people. Men. Women doesn't matter,
and I think I got very obsessive about it by
eight or nine years old. It's all I thought about.
I can remember playing basketball with my friends and I

(23:42):
called it always no exception, a jabar over to west
Gaale Goodrich eighteen footer and people are like, they just
my friends after a while, just like that's just what
Colin does. He talks to himself. For I was the
weird kid who talks to himself during a basketball game.

Speaker 2 (23:57):
That obsessive behavior, you're is a huge part of success
and at least my profession, because I was around guys
that were obsessed with just getting the edge. Yes, that
was the term around New England when I was a
young kid. You'd be in and you'd see Kevin Falk,
Teddy Brewski, Troy Brown would just be walking in working out,

(24:20):
not even on the team, and these guys would be
just yelling I'm getting an edge on you. Everyone was
just trying to get better, and then once you grasp that,
you become obsessed with all right, I want to be
like these guys, Tom Brady. He's working with the purpose,
he's caring about what he's eating. And it's one of
those things where you become a product of the environment.

(24:41):
If you have that in you, you know what I mean, Like,
that's what I was. I wanted to be like those guys.
So then I transformed and tried to do everything I
could to be like them because they stuck around for
a long time.

Speaker 1 (24:52):
You also find over the course I'm sixty now, you
find over the course of your life that not that
many people are no, it's really most you know, broadcasters
are of a reasonable reasonably similar in terms of talent, resonance, knowledge.

(25:12):
Obsessive is the difference. It's not where you went to school,
it's not your ability to you know, brown nose a
boss who's obsessed. And you find that most people I've
found make a little money and then they're content. You know,
you made a lot of money and then were driven
by it. The paycheck does weird things to people, And

(25:34):
like Tom always felt like the more he made, the
more he was going to prove you were wrong years
ago and passing on him. Aaron Rodgers has a little
bit of that. He's still got a chip on his shoulder,
and that's that's really notable. I think, I don't care
if you're a playwright a pianist, you've accomplished things. Most
people then moved pivot into content and obsessive people don't.

(25:57):
And I think that's the separator. That's that that relentlessness
of work, that you're not satisfied with good.

Speaker 2 (26:05):
Yeah, no, yeah, I agree, And you said got paid
a lot. I was just thinking, I d my mind
went over to what the receivers are making nowadays. Oh
my god, I almost just threw up. It's it's crazy, alright.
Got a lot about Ad McCaffrey.

Speaker 1 (26:19):
McCaffrey now almost makes half of Justin Jefferson, and I
love Justin, but that he's undervalued.

Speaker 2 (26:26):
Yeah, but there's a number when you touch that ball
a certain amount of times and he's he's he's.

Speaker 1 (26:33):
Up against it. That's a lot of innings pitched.

Speaker 2 (26:35):
It's a lot of innings pitched, and you know those
those arms go, especially when you're throwing one o two.
Now Eastern Washington. Awesome little alumni there. You got with
Jimmy g You got Sean Page.

Speaker 1 (26:52):
Cooper Cup, Cooper Cup, Kendrick Bourne, Kendrick Bourne.

Speaker 2 (26:57):
What's up with the red turf?

Speaker 1 (26:59):
I heard you donated you Michael Russe paid for most
of it. I paid a little bit. So Boise State
had the blue turf and they just said, hey, would
you give some money? And Eastern always had a good
football program.

Speaker 2 (27:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (27:14):
I love going to college there. So I grew up
in the western part of the state, which was wet
and damp, and I didn't have any money child of divorce.
It was like thirty eight hundred a year. I worked
my way through college to pay for it. So it
had good sports and it was a It was a
school where if you want to be a high school
teacher you went and a coach and it wasn't that rigorous,

(27:34):
but I loved my time there. Warm, warm spring and summers.
That's where the Seahawks trained for years, and so I've
always kind of stayed connected to some degree to the
athletic department. And they called and I said, we're going
to do a red turf, and I thought, that's fun. Well,
we didn't really consider what happens if it snows, because
then the turf turns pink. It's like putting a towel

(27:58):
in with a red jersey. So that wasn't a great
look on TV. But I grew up my entire college
State Eastern's always kind of recruited, maybe a little northern
col mostly Washington State, good high school football area, always
had really good creative teams. I mean we always, I
mean we've played Washington's, Washington State, Oregon State very competitive.

Speaker 2 (28:22):
Wasn't Bellevue in Washington.

Speaker 1 (28:24):
Bellevue is by Seattle. That's a very rich tony area
of Seattle.

Speaker 2 (28:28):
That was the team that knocked off dalya saw And
I was from northern California.

Speaker 1 (28:31):
Yes, Bellevue great, they ran a quirky offense. And yeah, no,
Washington State is really good high school football, really good coaching.

Speaker 2 (28:39):
They got a basketball too, don't they. I've heard that.

Speaker 1 (28:41):
Or Seattle is a very good high school basketball arena.
Jamal Crawford played there. Yeah, I mean it's it's Washington
State's interesting. When I got a job at ESPN, there
was a linebacker for the Jets. He was a broadcaster
for the Jets, and I remember telling him, Oh, yeah,

(29:03):
this where I'm from, and he said, oh, you're from
way out there. And I remember thinking as I walked away, well,
you're from way out there. But the truth is the
Pacific Northwest is really isolated. You're surrounded by Idaho, Wyoming,
you know, these ore again, these giant states without many people.
So you grow up sort of as an outsider in

(29:25):
your own country. And I grew up two hours from Seattle.
I mean my high school had my class had twenty
six people.

Speaker 2 (29:33):
Oh my god.

Speaker 1 (29:34):
So I was quarterback and shooting guard and you know,
smart alec I had all the roles divined, right, so
sports editor of the paper. So you just got to
fail a lot, you know, but you really are. You
do feel like when you're from the Pacific Northwest, you're
really an outsider up in that wet part of the
country that you'll meet people out east and they're I
was like, oh, I got on a ferry up there once.

(29:55):
That was amazing.

Speaker 2 (29:56):
I saw whale.

Speaker 1 (29:58):
It's like you're on Mars.

Speaker 4 (29:59):
You know.

Speaker 1 (29:59):
People don't know white how to relate to you.

Speaker 2 (30:01):
No, they don't. But we had Cooper cup on a
couple weeks ago. He said the turf was terrible, though
you like it.

Speaker 1 (30:09):
I called one of his games, which one it was,
I think it was Sam Houston or something. They played
a game. They invited me up.

Speaker 2 (30:15):
How was he good?

Speaker 1 (30:17):
I didn't know who he was. They told me we
have a really good wide receiver. And I don't remember
that much about you know, I was doing a color
commentary on the game. I don't remember a ton about it,
but I remember his draft class and I remember Tom
Telesco was the Chargers GM, and you know, Tom wouldn't

(30:40):
give me too much. But if I asked a question
and say, hey, let's just this is one of these
delete texts, right, And I said, what do you make
a Cooper Cup? And it was one of the few
times Tom said we'd take him. He said he's probably
second to third, he said, but if he's available, I
would we would look at him. He's on our board
and the Rams got him, so he was one of those.
He was like, yeah, he's he is sneaky good. They

(31:02):
knew it.

Speaker 2 (31:03):
He's he's been an unbelievable football player. I trained with
him early in his career. We used to go run
routes over at Golden West Community College with Tom House
because they always have pro quarterbacks. Yeah, so he wanted
you want pro pro arms. A couple of times we
threw golf and what's uh in Stafford and he was

(31:23):
always slick with his route running. He ran it almost
like amondola where they would roll into their cuts. They
would keep their body going forward always and you can
never tell when he was going to cut.

Speaker 1 (31:34):
Jerry Rice trick.

Speaker 2 (31:35):
Jerry. Jerry was good with his arms, very good with
the arms and head and you give you the head,
but he was he had like a quicker than you thought,
kind of burst that he was developed and he was
coming off in a cl so he was he was
still young football players. I mean what he's done in
these last few years. You know when he was healthy.

Speaker 1 (31:56):
Yeah, he was banged up early. He also had his
first year a few I mean, you're going from Eastern
to the NFL. But boy, when he and Stafford are humming, yeah,
it's like, wow, it's rough here. You think Stafford's got
I you know, Stafford, I have made this argument, if
you took Mahomes out of football the last ten years,

(32:18):
I think there's only two players, Aaron and Stafford that
you would say have comparable arm talent side arm, I
mean Stafford's side arm stuff, Like before Patrick, nobody watched
their games. They were in the one o'clock window.

Speaker 2 (32:32):
It's not even just that. It's also his toughness. I
mean he's played with some terrible offensive lines, and he
gets his teeth kicked in and he gets up every time.
He's still can find a way to make those crazy throws.
Which that's a part of being a great quarterback, being
able to know when your offensive line isn't there, getting
rid of the ball quick, being able to adjust your

(32:55):
body according to your injury or whatever. Like Tom was
hurt all the time. Yeah, and no one knew anything
because he would adjust his game to how.

Speaker 1 (33:02):
Remember when he ripped up, Yeah, is what this part
of your thumb?

Speaker 2 (33:07):
Yeah? Dashed it and they showed it.

Speaker 1 (33:10):
Yeah, they showed it two weeks later. It was disgusting.
I couldn't believe he played. He played with some crazy stuff.
You know that TV twelve method. Did you ever by
week ten? Were you ever feeling good?

Speaker 2 (33:27):
No? There's always some sort of bang or bruise that
you had, but no, not week ten, Week eight to
week twelve is like the low period of the NFL.
Guys are starting to get beat up. The yardage is
starting to go high, you know, less time to recover

(33:51):
because of certain games. And we were always on primetime games,
so we would be in an away game eight o'clock,
you fly in, you have and the hours get long.
You know, you fly in, you got a team meeting
at one o'clock. He got in at five, you got
a run at two. So that all adds up. And no,
that was always. But after that week twelve, you started
sniffing the playoff spot. You started sniffing that uh that

(34:16):
buye and so you'd get rejolted, you know. But those
are the those are the those are the biggest dog
days of the season, eight to like twelve thirteen, because
after that there's light at the end of the tunnel.
You got something you're going for. They're all important, don't
get it.

Speaker 1 (34:30):
It's July in sports radio. Yeah, by August you can
feel football coming. It starts smelling like football the grass. Yes, July,
those are dog days. You're coming on a Tuesday. Boys,
we got no stories. This is where we get paid.

Speaker 2 (34:44):
Yeah, speaking of dog days, how did you My ESPN
was interesting?

Speaker 1 (34:52):
I always felt like I was a coffee being at Starbucks.
Nobody knew who I was, so I was a local
guy and they came and found me in poor and
a strange story that even this podcast doesn't have time for.
It was a weird story. It was a snowstorm in
Portland and some New York radio consultant got stuck there
and heard me and blah blah blah. And I always
felt there. It was a gigantic factory and I was

(35:14):
a coffee bean and it was a great place for me.
But I did feel at the end it was it
was a sports factory, and I was tired of putting
in a shift at the factory and I wanted to
you know, Fox came and about a year before I left,
you know, I had you know, they were like, hey,
if you if you wanted to host a game show
for another network like stray Hand Aaron Andrews had been

(35:35):
another networks, they were much more amenable to do more
things production companies. But it was I'd never been to
the East Coast, and I love it. I have a
place in Rhode Island. I love vacationing there. So I
look at that more than just a job. It was
where I raised my kids. And it's just a smart, principled,

(35:57):
you know, not morally flexible people like live a certain
way and I always really appreciate it as a West
Coast guy.

Speaker 2 (36:04):
Now, yeah, I Fox has been a dream to work for.
I mean I've worked with different networks and the amount
of time and resources they put into everyone that works there, Like,
it's very flexible. It's all about you going out and
performing your best, you know, for one hour.

Speaker 1 (36:23):
They don't meddle.

Speaker 2 (36:24):
They don't meddle at all. It's all about the team.
It's very football oriented, and I think it's because it was,
you know, pretty much developed by what Terry was part
of that early part in John Mattin like a lot of.

Speaker 1 (36:35):
The well it's in Los Angeles. Yeah, so it's very
talent favorable. They've dealt with movie stars, you know, so
they're very good to athletes and talk show hosts. They
let you explore, you can make mistakes, they defend you.
Connecticut's different. Connecticut's like prep schools and accounting firms and

(36:56):
insurance company exactly a little more restrictive. I could ow
feel the Disney weight on the company, whereas foxes Hey
we're in LA. Like this is if you want to
go home early, it's nice out there's a movie premiere.
They treat you differently, like they just that's just the
way they do. They just there's a different culture to it. Also,
Fox doesn't have the scale of Disney. It's Disney is

(37:20):
the Marriotte, right, Like it's this gigantic hotel. Fox is
like a really cool boutique hotel in Santa Monica. Yeah,
like it's you don't have as much space, but great pool,
great cocktails.

Speaker 2 (37:34):
Great.

Speaker 1 (37:34):
Yeah, it's just it's just a really easy place to work.
I've said a lot of people have gone ESPN to Fox.
Not a lot of people go Fox to ESPN. It's
almost like if you go to New York, there's a
lot of New Yorkers in LA. If you can make
money in La, there's no reason to live in that weather, right,
Like there's you don't go to New York and say, oh,

(37:55):
there's a lot of blondes. Yeah, like, like you come
out here, there's a lot of New Yorkers. And I
think a lot of it is like Fox does sports.

Speaker 2 (38:03):
Right, they do they do, and they I mean they
let you have the volume, which is killing it. Youah, freedom, freedom.
I got a question, who in the pre podcast era
as a player would be a great podcaster in this
day and age.

Speaker 1 (38:19):
Well, Muhammad Ali would have been the greatest ever. I mean,
if you YouTube Muhammad Ali and you go to Muhammad
Ali's best press conferences, you can't believe it. It's like
watching Michael Jackson for the first time moonwalk. Yeah, you
can't believe what he's doing. He's going on these four
minute soliloquies and You're like, where's the teleprompter. I'm a broadcaster, Like,

(38:42):
how is he doing this? Like Allie today would be
Renauld look like Ronaldo Rinaldo, good looking, Tom Brady successful,
and Mahomes talented like he was everything. Yeah, the looks,
the talk. So I think Ali was born early. He

(39:04):
would have been amazing. Generally, you know what you'll find.
You know, podcasting is not broadcasting because when I started
the volume, my broadcasting instincts were wrong all the time
in podcasting, just all the time. And it was funny.
I was like, man, I'm just whiffing on this this
this So I really like the I'm pretty curious guy.
I like to I like to make mistakes. I like

(39:25):
to screw stuff up so I don't do it again.
So I made a lot of mistakes when I started
the volume, just thinking it was broadcasting and it's podcasting.
What you find two things always work with podcasting. Are
you curious? Joe Rogan's curious, You're curious. Curious people succeed
and storytellers. That's when when you come on my show.

(39:49):
One of the things I always say, like, Hey, what
what do you got? What do you want today? What's
your best story? Storytelling work?

Speaker 2 (39:54):
Nobody, we very rarely go to you give us the
questions before.

Speaker 1 (39:58):
I don't go to those.

Speaker 2 (40:00):
I know I'm sitting there. I go over him for
like thirty minutes, and then you'll hit me with a
question before we get on and we'll dive into that. Yeah,
I'm authenticities that always I want your best story. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (40:11):
When I speak to young broadcasters, I always say just
be interesting. Like if you if you pulled a seat
up to a bar and you sat next to a
guy for ten minutes and he was right for ten minutes.
After about ten minutes, you're like, he's kind of obnoxious.
But if you pulled up to a guy that had
an eye patch, a hook on his hand and he

(40:31):
was telling crazy stories. You turn to your buddies and
go get over here, and you'd stay for two hours. Right,
is overrated? Interesting is what wins the audience. Be interesting,
tell stories.

Speaker 2 (40:46):
The delivery, incredible, the analogies. That's a pro right there,
This is a pro. I was thinking, like Dennis Rahman
or something.

Speaker 1 (40:57):
He's a little too out there.

Speaker 2 (41:00):
But if he were to talk the stories he would
get with the audience.

Speaker 1 (41:04):
I think he would exhaust you. He wouldn't be his detail.
I think he'd be good for a podcast. What you're
doing is a podcast business, and so your traits, like
a quarterback, your traits are you work hard, you're curious,
you tell stories. That wears well. Anybody can do a
good podcast. Anybody can come on my show for a spot.

(41:25):
You come on every week, so the really good people
can come on every two weeks a week and it's like, God,
he's good every time. That's a lot of quarterbacks. Tibo
had a six game winning streak, seven game winning streak,
like a lot of winning streaks in football that you're like,
how the hell that happen? Year after if you really
think about greatness, Kobe Bryant's entire career. You game plan

(41:49):
to stop him, your best defensive guy on him, trap him,
get the ball out of his hands. Average thirty, So
people understand it to be great. I mean, Jesus, all
you do with Luca is watch film on how to
stop Luca. You can drop forty to night against the
world's best basketball players. The difference between great and just,

(42:09):
you know, really good player, They're just not many of them,
just not. People spent literally the entire division drafted against
Tom edge rushers. The whole division was drafting edge rushers
against Tom. None of it worked for twenty years.

Speaker 2 (42:26):
Would you rather have a six game winning streak or
circumcise a bunch of kids in Philippines?

Speaker 3 (42:33):
Why not both?

Speaker 2 (42:35):
Oh? That's Tim Tebow, Tim Tebow, Tim TiVo. We'll be
right back after this quick break. Let's go back to
around January sixth, twenty seven, two thousand and seven. This
is a segment where we go and we discussed a
little bit of what was going on around the game.

(42:56):
Number one movie was Night at the Museum. You ever
see that?

Speaker 1 (42:59):
I loved it.

Speaker 2 (43:00):
I never saw it.

Speaker 1 (43:00):
Oh, it's fascinating, Ben still right. Yeah, it's a great
concept for a movie. Do you ever watch a movie
and you think, I don't know if the movie is great,
what a great idea for the movie?

Speaker 2 (43:09):
Yeah? I yeah.

Speaker 1 (43:12):
If you go to a museum and all the animals
are come to life, yeah, all the It's like, this
is a great somebody was high. Somebody was high and
just came up with that. I mean, there's no way
you did that.

Speaker 3 (43:23):
Or board with their kids at the museum.

Speaker 1 (43:25):
Yeah, it's just great idea.

Speaker 3 (43:26):
Hey man, half a billion and spawned two sequels.

Speaker 2 (43:29):
Yeah, it's a great trilogy, isn't it. Number one song
was irreplaceable by Beyonce. I remember this song. It wasn't
my favorite Beyonce, but it was good. Do you remember
that song?

Speaker 1 (43:39):
Yeah, it's okay. I like Beyonce.

Speaker 2 (43:40):
I like Beyonce. The iPhone debuts, I remember this. I
went to a Walmart in Wrentham, Ohio, or no where
was it. It was Canton, Ohio. There's Amish people like
Amish people will go to the Walmart. Anytime I was there.
This was my first time shopping a Walmart. I was
a barrier kid. I never seen a Walmart.

Speaker 1 (44:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (44:01):
When I went to Ohio, I started going to Walmart.
They're pretty bad ass. Have you've ever been? Yeah, And
every time I would go to this Walmart, there'd be
amish people and they're like, isn't this like contradicting what
they believe? The kids would be in the video game
section playing with the video games and stuff. But it
just brought me back. I went and as I was, huh,
were they also waiting for I? They were waiting for
I phone.

Speaker 1 (44:21):
Here's how old I am. I remember the first cell phone,
So you're not old enough to remember. They used to
be blocks, like a barstool. You were talking on a
bar stool. So I get one. I'm in Vegas and
I think, I'm I'm really cool. Do you have a
holster for it? In my Ford Explorer? Which I got
an Eddie Bauer bag for buying it, which I had

(44:41):
for like fifteen.

Speaker 2 (44:42):
That was a badass Ford Explorer. The Eddie Bauer editions,
those were cool. It was a forest green.

Speaker 1 (44:48):
Mine was red, but they were cool. Yeah, so you
put this true story. I'm making nothing, probably twelve grand
a year out of college. You fastened it in right
by your you know drive shift right, you fastened the
cell phone. You put it in clocked it in. I
didn't know the first month. I thought you only got
charged for calls you make. So I told people call me,

(45:11):
call me. I was taking calls all day. Oh you
get charged for those. My first bill was bigger than
what I made them up.

Speaker 2 (45:19):
Oh my god.

Speaker 1 (45:20):
One of the only times in my life I called
my mom, Mom, I need a couple hundred bucks. She's like,
you're in Vegas, go gamble, what do you mean it?
So I'm like, I didn't know you got charged for
incoming calls. And these things were giant in gray.

Speaker 2 (45:33):
I remember what what TV show was it on? Was this?
Was it like Miami Vice? There was a TVs Miami
Vice where they'd always have like the big.

Speaker 1 (45:42):
Old block, That's what it was.

Speaker 2 (45:45):
Or uh or One of the most epic was Wall
Street with Gordon Getko. That was the best uh in
the sports world. In two thousand and six, two thousand
and seven National champions where number two Florida beats the
Ohio State Buckeyes. Trophy. Heisman Trophy winner was Troy Smith
who went to Baltimore. YEP, which game was this? Who

(46:08):
was the Florida State? This was one of those off
years of Florida State.

Speaker 3 (46:12):
I think one of the back to backs. I think
with Tim Tebow.

Speaker 1 (46:14):
Yeah, that was a t boat tea.

Speaker 2 (46:15):
Yeah, oh this is a Florida Yeah, yes, what it is?

Speaker 4 (46:20):
Is it?

Speaker 2 (46:20):
I read Florida State. I was tripping Florida. This is
with Hernandez, Percy Harvin, all the boys, they were stacked Spikes.
Spikes was the most unathletic looking guy. He had like
such a dadbod that laid the most wood I've ever
seen in my life. This guy would come down and
we would watch on set nine on seven practices, which

(46:41):
is the run game. So you know it's a run
so it's a cheat for the defense. But I would
sit sometimes and you know, we'd be doing like routes
and I'd look over and Spikes would just be teeing
off on the full back. I mean him and James
Devlin would hit forty, like forty five six times in
a row. I'm talking like six yard sprints where these

(47:04):
guys were just banging and he would blow guys up.
He would knock guys. He would knock big old, three
hundred and fifty pound linemen back. I mean, he was
a he could he could lay.

Speaker 1 (47:14):
The wood there are Donald Penn, Remember Donald Penn. No,
he was an offensive lineman. He had the strangest body
for the Raider. I didn't even understand it. That guy
just engulfed people. It's weird. When I first met Teddy Bruski,
I'm like, that's the desert storm guy from Arizona. That's
he brought a briefcase. I'm like, he looks like a

(47:34):
bulky accountant. Like I mean, Teddy walks in, he looks
like he looks like a he looks like a middleweight.

Speaker 2 (47:40):
Boxer who dropped a bunch of weight.

Speaker 1 (47:42):
Though, Okay, because I'm telling you.

Speaker 2 (47:44):
Because Teddy was, he was. You got to look at
his neck when he was nasty, nasty.

Speaker 1 (47:49):
He's one of the He's one of the five to
six best college players I've ever seen. You could not
block him at Arizona.

Speaker 2 (47:55):
People don't realize he was defensive lineman.

Speaker 1 (47:57):
You couldn't block him, undersized, could not get in front
of him. He was an incredible football player. Yeah, Teddy
Dick told me desert storm. They called it that defense.

Speaker 2 (48:07):
My first day at New England in OTA's when the
Vets came, Teddy was on punt team. Like that's how
teddy was. He was practicing. I was on the punt team.
He was on the punt return team, and I had
to do a stab technique on him, and I touched him,
Like that's the you have to stab the technique and
then once the receiver makes you, Yeah, it makes you.

(48:27):
And after that rep, he looked at me and said, hey, rookie,
you ever touched me? And I'm gonna cut your fucking
arm off. So I had to go the next rep
with them. I'm sitting there, I'm stabbing the air behind
him because I need. I need to let the coaches
know that I know what I'm doing for film because
they're gonna bitch at me if I don't. And it
was just crazy. I never touched him again. I never
touched him.

Speaker 1 (48:46):
Guy.

Speaker 2 (48:47):
Oh he was he eat nails. Super Bowl champions Where
the cold was?

Speaker 3 (48:51):
I got clarification that was Chris Leak was the starting quarterback,
but Tim Tebow had two touchdowns.

Speaker 1 (48:57):
Yeah, Leak was the undersized guy. Yeah, undersized guy.

Speaker 2 (49:02):
Ye ye.

Speaker 1 (49:03):
Leak is a classic college not a pro player, A
really good college player. He had a sweet spiral. Yeah,
Charlie Ward had that, Like that's a great college player.

Speaker 2 (49:12):
Charlie Ward. Super Bowl champions were the Colts. This is
when the Colt We had Ernie on and he talked
about the AFC Championship between the Pats and the Colts.
This year was the Super Bowl. They were up twenty
one to six at halftime, and then the next year
they go and get Randy Wes. They were pissed about
that whole thing. LT was the MVP Ladanian Thomason. Miami

(49:36):
Dolphins head coach Nick Saban resigns in the middle of
a season right after returning to take the Alabama head
coach job. That was crazy.

Speaker 1 (49:47):
If he gets Drew Brees, if he gets medical clearance,
he never coaches Alabama. He tried to get Drew Brees
and the doctors would not allow it. The Saints doctors
cleared him. If not, he never. The greatest college football
dynasty never materializes. He does not take that job because
Nick would have won with Drew Brees. He actually, if
you go back to his Miami tenure, he made a difference.

(50:10):
He just didn't have the quarterback, which is you know
that's I mean, is Bill Belichick's proving that's the sport,
that's the league, that's the league. Gotta have the guy.
Andy Reid's one of the few guys that won at
the highest level with the average quarterback play. That's like
it it's hard. Yeah, I mean McMahon was okay, it
was fine.

Speaker 2 (50:28):
It's fine Smith at the end. He was a good
game manager.

Speaker 1 (50:32):
But it's hard to get to NFC championships repeatedly.

Speaker 2 (50:36):
Yeah, so it was a soft division. Then I still
have a take that I think Bill owns Andy Reid.

Speaker 1 (50:43):
It depends on the culture. I've made the argument.

Speaker 2 (50:46):
Because but you got to look at every time we
played them, even when they had their highest of the
high of the offense, we always had a great defensive
plan and then we you know, you can run up.

Speaker 1 (50:56):
You got to run the ball against I would say, Tom, Yeah, Tom, Tom,
I mean good that Tom. That overtime game, you guys
got the coin flip.

Speaker 2 (51:04):
Yeah, we that that defense. Like our defense in the
first half shut them out. Yeah, you know, and you know,
look some of those calls. And then even the next
year when I think Stidham went in there and they
battled them, they could have they held them zero points
in the first half or until the fourth quarter.

Speaker 1 (51:21):
Well, the best two coaches last twenty years or Andy
and Bill. Yeah, one offense, a play designer, you know,
one's the smartest defensive coach of all time.

Speaker 2 (51:30):
Yeah. Do you remember the Statue Liberty game? Oh, Boise
State beat Soklue.

Speaker 1 (51:34):
I'm from the Northwest. Boise State was always this little
I always used to tell people like, and you're in
the Pac twelve, don't schedule Boise State. No, it's your
their super Bowl. You know, it's like, just don't do it.

Speaker 2 (51:46):
Not even that though at this by this time, Boise
State was good because I was in Juco and they
were recruiting me really hard. They were taking a lot
of Juco guys which were bounced backs from Florida TRICC.
And then they were get. They were get like Pac
twelve recruits playing in the whack. Yes, you know, and.

Speaker 1 (52:04):
Well coach very well, Chris Peterson.

Speaker 2 (52:07):
Chris Peterson, we did Zimbronski and we had Adrian Peterson
to talk about that game. I mean that was these
last like these three years of college football with this
USC in Texas, Like this seven, college football was at
its best.

Speaker 1 (52:24):
I think it wasn't regional. You had a great Western team, Yes,
Texas SEC. Everybody was playing.

Speaker 2 (52:30):
Everyone was playing. That was the guy I proposed to
his girlfriend afterwards.

Speaker 3 (52:34):
We have a whole scoring system. We'll get to it
at the end of the show. I still stand by that.
I think this is the greatest football game ever played.

Speaker 1 (52:42):
USC Texas is way up there. Yeah, it was so
weird with a Reggie Bush lateral. That's I was there.
That's one of the great game. I'll tell you I
went this year. I went to Oregon Washington in Seattle.
The missfield goal. That's the second best college football game
I've ever been too live. It was on Mott Lake.

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It was insane. Every play felt like it mattered. First series,
felt like you were in the fourth quarter. Couldn't hear yourself?
Think those are great rivals up there. Two pro quarterbacks,
like ten offensive players are pros, like just stacked.

Speaker 3 (53:19):
I think the only thing that the Statue Liberty Game
has on that USC Texas game is the David Versus Goliath.

Speaker 1 (53:25):
Oh there's no question.

Speaker 2 (53:26):
Yeah that was still David versus Goliath.

Speaker 3 (53:28):
You can never call Texas David. It's Texas.

Speaker 1 (53:32):
Vince Young's maybe the best high school football player in
American history. If you ever watched Vince Young's high school
highlights on your Oh I haven't. He looks like a
twelve year NFL veteran playing against junior high schoolers. And
I'm talking Texas high end football. He is. He is
bigger than all the defensive linemen and faster than the receivers.

Speaker 2 (53:51):
Oh. Cam was the same way though, Cam Newton.

Speaker 1 (53:54):
Go watch the LSU Auburn game with Caminet. He is
running over linebackers. LSU linebacker running over them. Defensive ends
steph Armingham.

Speaker 2 (54:06):
The first day I met him, when he came in
to our facility, he looked like a defensive end. Yea
like he was. He's legitimately one of the most impressive
specimen humans, like just as far as how broad he is,
how big he is, he's still lean like he's like
a freak human.

Speaker 1 (54:27):
Like a thirty seven inch waist, and his cut cut
like he's like a lumberjack. He's not built like human.

Speaker 2 (54:33):
No, I mean he's he was fun to play with, Kyler.
Let's set the stage for this game. Let's hit the
Dallas Cowboys first.

Speaker 3 (54:41):
So the two thousand and six Dallas Cowboys had a
nine to seven record and were head coached by Bill Parcels.
This was his last season as a head coach, and
this game that we're doing was his last game as
a head coach as well. It is a season of
bitter endings and hopeful new beginnings too arrived in the offseason.
Also the most accuratecker in NFL hist at the time,
as Mike Vanderjack came in. However, he did not finish

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it with Martina Jamatica. It was also a start of
the Tony Romo era that he took over halfway through
the season for a Drew Bledsoe kind of His last
play was an interception in the second quarter of some
Week six game. We actually just had Drew Bledsoe in.

Speaker 2 (55:18):
Great wine, great wine, double back, great prototypical. First, overall,
he can still throw. We went through the ball in
the backyard.

Speaker 1 (55:26):
Yeah, no, Drews and it looks like he's number one.
He like he is like John Elway.

Speaker 2 (55:34):
He picks up a ball. And then Brady used to
talk about this, like because Brady likes his balls a
certain this that you know what I mean, Bloodsall could
pick up any ball and just whip it because he
had these big, just country fed white boy hands that
like looks like he should be picking up Hay or something.
He just exactly what you said what your number one

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pick should look like.

Speaker 3 (55:56):
And then so this team wants Tony took over. They
won five out of the six of the Tony Roma's
first starts. They stumbled a little bit down the stretch,
and we'll get to that. We also just like talking
dudes naming dudes. The dudes on this team was Drew Bledsoe,
Tony Romo, Jason Witten flows out of the hotel Floseel Adams,
Roy Williams, Miles Austin, DeMarcus Ware, and Terry Glenn.

Speaker 2 (56:18):
Also a studied Terrence Newman too. He was a badass Newman.

Speaker 3 (56:22):
A studded coaching staff of just future head coaches. We'll
talk a little bit about later, but that's the two thousand.

Speaker 2 (56:30):
And six Cowboys. Well, you remember about this era of Cowboys, the.

Speaker 1 (56:34):
Emergence of Romo. I mean, I grew up with Stallbauch,
Danny White, Troy Aikman. They bounce around and then they
find their Romo and it was you know, it's pretty
rare that a big brand like the Cowboys get an
undrafted quarterback. Yeah, you know, usually a team like the Cowboys,
it's such a big brand that you would have the
quarterback ready to go, or you just go buy one

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right like to for the Cowboys, that'd be like the
Yankees best player being in like a fortieth round shortstop.
Like you're the Yankees, you figured they'll just go buy
a clean up hitter. So the Romos are real for
their brand. I mean most of their best players have
been like free agents or first rounders or Micah and
CD and all of a sudden, it's like you know

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that O line for years that was all first round picks,
Tyron Smith, Tony's undrafted. That's something like the Jaguars would
get the Panthers right or but it's to be the
America's quarterback of note. And you played at a tiny
school most people can't find on a map. It's pretty remarkable.
Tony had a good career.

Speaker 2 (57:37):
He did. He had a very good He was exciting.
I remember when he came in. He was just you know,
he was a jolt of energy for them. He was
making those athletic plays where he's ducking down. Guys would
over tackle him. He'd pop his head up and find
a guy down the field like he always I just
always remember he was kind of a shorter guy, but

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he uses athleticism in the pocket, and he had like
a flare with him were he was really good outside
the pocket. And he was good at making a play
within the play by manipulating defensive guys in the pocket,
stepping up, sliding, and then finding the second play.

Speaker 1 (58:13):
I always feel Joe Burrow is a more disciplined Tony Romo.
They looked they were the same number. They look alike,
the play alike. Joe's just a little more not mechanical,
a little more efficient. Tony's a little more instinct go
with a gut. But there's a lot of similarities Tony's,
you know, Joe's great. Tony on his best days was

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a highlight film.

Speaker 2 (58:36):
He was really good. He was really good. Wasn't it
weird kind of seeing Parcels as the head coach? Did
you think that was weird? Well, I remember this whole
thing happened.

Speaker 1 (58:45):
Only two cowboy coaches of work three in my lifetime, Landry,
Jimmy and Parcels. The latter two had Jerry as the owner.
The ironic part is Jimmy and Parcels are exactly what
the cowboys need as a coach and Jerry didn't like it.

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They need a strong willed, defiant architect that knows the
game that pushes back on Jerry. Jerry tends to hire
people that need him. Jason Garrett his first job. McCarthy
was out of work, chan Gaily. You know, Jerry tends
to hire people that need him. Parcels and Jimmy didn't

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two best coaches they've ever had, and I just don't
think Jerry Jerry likes you. You know, the Cowboys usually
have the highest percentage of players on their roster that
they drafted, and there is something about the Cowboys sometimes
come off as like a family business, like the local
general store in a very corporate league. But it's I

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always feel like Parcels and Jimmy, that's what they should have,
and Jerry just can't. It doesn't work for very long.
So they go twelve and five this year. I think
they step back. They don't have a running game and
so they'll be much more Dak dependent.

Speaker 2 (01:00:06):
They go eleven and five this year, only ten and seven.
They do ten and seven.

Speaker 1 (01:00:11):
I don't think they make the playoffs.

Speaker 2 (01:00:12):
They don't make the playoffs.

Speaker 1 (01:00:13):
No, I think they're very thin at receiver and running back.
I think they'll be more Dak reliant. I think the
NFC the last two years has been down. The Packers
are ready to go. The Rams are not going to rebuild. Oh,
Chicago's good. Like I mean, if Arizona is a five
win team, that's a good five win team. They got,
like some dudes. They can they can be, they can compete.

Speaker 2 (01:00:35):
They do they got. So what about Belichick going there
next year? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:00:39):
I could see that, Yeah they would. Again, they would
need a strong coach who's defiant, a great architect, a
culture builder, and it'll work for about three years and
then what happened and then Bill will be like Bill
will get them is to the highest level. I I
argue it's about time to move off Dak. Dak's good,

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you can't pay him great. One thing we know doesn't
work in this league to have a good quarterback that
you pay great. You can win with a rookie quarterback
and a rookie deal. You can win with a great
quarterback taking a bit of a pay cut. You can't
be a B plus quarterback and get paid A plus.
You're out of the Super Bowl bubble. And I think
Bill knows that better than anybody. And I think they'll
figure out a way to redraft re sign the quarterback

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position and pay a quarterback along the lines of that,
either a young guy little money or an older guy
more reasonable money.

Speaker 2 (01:01:30):
You don't think they're gonna Are they gonna re up
Dak this year? You think? I don't.

Speaker 1 (01:01:35):
I think they're gonna let it go, and then they're
gonna go get a coach and the coach will sit
down with Jerry, and the coach can be the bad guy.
Jerry doesn't want to be the bad guy.

Speaker 2 (01:01:44):
Yeah, Okay, let's break down these before Yeah, before we
move on from Dallas, I just want to mention some
of these coaches on this staff.

Speaker 3 (01:01:52):
So Sean Payton, he just left the year prior. On
this team is running backs coach Anthony Lynn, Mike Zimmer's
back Mike Zimmers defensive coordinator. Secondary coach is Todd Bowles
wide receivers and passing game coordinators Todd.

Speaker 2 (01:02:06):
Hayley tight ends coach running Freddy.

Speaker 3 (01:02:09):
Kitchens offensive line and running game coordinator is Tony Sperano.

Speaker 2 (01:02:13):
Pretty good, all right, pe Sperano. We used to battle
him and he's Miami a bunch. We's had a good
plan let's get into the Seattle Seahawks. KAI.

Speaker 3 (01:02:24):
So two thousand and six Seattle Seahawks. We still have
a few years left in the Mike holgrim era at
this point. This is a Seahawks team that was hoping
to build off their Super Bowl run the year prior,
in which they went thirteen to three.

Speaker 4 (01:02:35):
UH.

Speaker 3 (01:02:35):
They signed Nate Elson in the offseason. They gave him
the bag. They traded for Dion Branch after Week one,
and they were looking to give Matt house back some
weapons and hoping that they could do another Super Bowl run,
maybe get over the hump. Unfortunately, for this season, nine
offensive player, nine offensive players miss games. Sean Alexander, who
also got a bag, got bit a little bit by
the Maddens. We buying the Madden curse, Not.

Speaker 2 (01:02:58):
Really, it was didn't stop after Patrick or something.

Speaker 3 (01:03:02):
I think it's dead now for sure. It was there,
It was there. It might have been.

Speaker 1 (01:03:07):
This team couldn't stay healthy.

Speaker 3 (01:03:08):
No Matt hasseback. You has mentioned this four games with
an mcl sprand so Seneca Wallace had to step in,
who also had a reception in this game.

Speaker 5 (01:03:16):
This playoff game, we had the same agent. They picked
Don Ye. He pitched me like you could be like
a Seneca. You can play it quarterback receiver. It's like,
now you have Tom Brady, bro I'm signing with you.

Speaker 3 (01:03:31):
So this team finished nine and seven after starting four
and one. And also just want to mention the Shohn Alexander.
The previous year he was MVP. He rushed for eighteen
and eighty yards and twenty seven total touchdowns. A couple
of dudes, Nico Couda Vides is on this team.

Speaker 2 (01:03:47):
And Totufu yeah eis in Foxboroughs Still his dad was
like one of the first Patriots.

Speaker 3 (01:03:52):
Also on this team, Walter Jones, Marcus Trufont, Dion Branch,
Nate Person, Shohn Alexander, Jeremy Stevens won a big game.

Speaker 2 (01:03:59):
I always remember, I'm always coming up with those cover
twos like he like they hit in this game, big
tight end down the middle of field. When they were
running those Tampa twos all the time, Steven's used to
catch a lot of those.

Speaker 1 (01:04:09):
He was a Husky, great high school player in the
Olympia area. I followed his whole career. He had some
stuff off the field, but he was a huge high
school recruit. He was a great player, a big guy,
long fast, like a physical Jimmy Graham. If Jimmy Graham
blocked and was tougher, that's what he was.

Speaker 2 (01:04:27):
Wow. What do you think of this Mike homegrown era
Seattle Seahawks.

Speaker 1 (01:04:31):
Well, Mike is really smart. Mike has an Andy Reid
quality where he's not only a coach, but he's a mentor.
You know, his coaching trees impressive and I always thought,
you know, Mike Holmgren's one of the old school coaches
that may have been born too early. He'd be great today.
He'd be great today. His era was mostly you were
allowed to grab and pull and jam, and you know,

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he grew up in an era where all the rules
lean defense. Mike Holmgren is one of the older coach
is that. I think if you put him in today,
he would be Andy Reid. He was super clever, great
multiple offenses. Those Seahawks teams did not have Super Bowl rosters.
They had a super Bowl coach. I mean, if you
go back to that Seahawk team that made the Sea,
they had some really nice offensive pieces, but not one

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of the more impressive Super Bowl rosters was.

Speaker 2 (01:05:18):
The twelve man thing. There.

Speaker 1 (01:05:19):
When you were a kid, well, it was always Husky
Stadium was always one of the loudest stadiums, and the
Kingdom was always loud because of the reverbs. So Seattle
was always known as just a really loud place. And again,
I always feel like in Seattle, because we're so isolated
in the Pacific Northwest, we always feel like we have
to prove that we love sports, and so I you know,

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there were a lot of local breweries. You come in lubricated.
It was tailgating central. We only got good weather briefly,
so when you got it in the early fall, you know,
you went on the boat, you came up to the
games at the Husky Stadium. Seattle's always been just a
great football town with a really raucous, lively engaged fan base.
Mount rush More of Seattle Seahawks, then Large, Steve Largent, Large,

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he was godfather.

Speaker 3 (01:06:05):
A lot of similar how they play. We just have
Cooper Cup here and we were talking.

Speaker 1 (01:06:08):
About that's a good question, Steve Largent. I love Cortez Kennedy.

Speaker 2 (01:06:14):
Cortez Kennedy with years, wasn't wasn't.

Speaker 1 (01:06:16):
Cortez there for years?

Speaker 2 (01:06:17):
I loved him.

Speaker 1 (01:06:18):
Shawn Alexander's probably on it. I mean let's be honest.

Speaker 3 (01:06:21):
Richard Sherman, Sherman, Tam Chanceller, go Hokies, Cortez Kennedy, Yeah,
he was there.

Speaker 2 (01:06:28):
I thought he was so good.

Speaker 1 (01:06:29):
I would say, oh no, no, Steve Largent, Walter Jones. Boy,
that's a good question. I think Shawn Alexander has to
be on it.

Speaker 2 (01:06:40):
Do you put home Grin in there just because he
got him to a Super Bowl?

Speaker 1 (01:06:42):
No? Because Pete Carroll did as well. Marshawn Lynch, God,
there's so many good defensive players. Marshawn Lynch is.

Speaker 2 (01:06:50):
It's some really good defense alignment.

Speaker 1 (01:06:52):
Yes, Richard Sherman's really close.

Speaker 3 (01:06:56):
Earl Thomas, I put Richard.

Speaker 1 (01:06:58):
Richard was a bigger personality. Also, he made so many
big plays as a cornerback. He really defined late round
pick overlooked. He was the Pete Carroll team. That's a
great question. Seattle's Mount Rushmore. Hell, I could put Jim
Zorn on it. So left handed cornerback. I mean it
was so funny. Tampa Bay and Seattle were expansion teams.

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Tampa couldn't score, Seattle couldn't tackle. If you had combined him,
you had a playoff team. Seattle had Sherman Smith, Jim Zorn,
Steve Largent. They were wild games, but Largent was their
first really elite all time player.

Speaker 2 (01:07:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:07:34):
Jim Zorn was quarterback coach of the Seahawks team.

Speaker 1 (01:07:36):
Yep, yep, and a really decent guy, nice guy.

Speaker 2 (01:07:39):
Yeah, all right, kay, let's break down this game, all right?
For the league game lead up.

Speaker 3 (01:07:43):
This was two nine to seventeens looking to get hot,
maybe catch some fire, go to the Super Bowl. Neither
of them really were going into the playoffs very hot,
but they made it in and they were hopes were
still alive. There was some real pressure on Bill Parcells
to do something after missing two years of the playoffs
and all that, you know, cowboys energy. Each team lost

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three of their last four games.

Speaker 2 (01:08:06):
Homegren own the tuna. He got him in the Super Bowl.
I forgot about that.

Speaker 1 (01:08:11):
You're talking about great coaches, and it's they're very similar,
and that they were both high on wisdom, good teachers.
Now now Homegren isn't as New Jersey cranky, not as
sort of uh smart assy as Parcels. You know, Parcel's
got he's he's got like Belichick. He's got an East

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Coast edge to him. Homegren more Midwest sense of humor.
But like comparing Andy Reid and build like different sensibilities
a little bit.

Speaker 2 (01:08:42):
I feel like Andy Reid and Homegren are very similar.

Speaker 1 (01:08:45):
Yeah, teacher teachers, but even just their their demeanor. Like
it's funny if you look at Belichick's coaching three. I've
always theorized this proximity to brilliance doesn't make it brilliance.
Proximity to wisdom does make you wise. So Andy and
Holmgren offer wisdom and coaches can take that and use that.

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Bill's just brilliant. I could work next to Einstein. I'll
never be smarter, right, Like Bill literally was a super brain,
and that's why a lot of his assistants. You can't
take Bill's brilliance, his day to day situational brilliance, and
you can't duplicate it. But you could take a really
good teacher, you know, like a lot of the great
athletes aren't great coaches.

Speaker 2 (01:09:28):
Yeah that's true, right, that's true. I mean if you
look at these two coaching trees, I mean these are
like the trees where all the trees, all the branches
they can come from. I mean it's really Bill Walsh
and Parcels and Homegren comes down and then he creates
his But yeah, like, these are the two different systems

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right here. It's could you argue, are you anyone else?

Speaker 1 (01:09:52):
No? I think home breun parcels Bill Walsh. I think
Andy Reid's become that. I think he's got a really
good tree. But there's a teaching proposition to you know,
was Bill teaching or Bill just smart? I mean, obviously
Ernie Adams almost had some educational qualities, Like he was

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more wisdom, right like, because of his experience. But maybe,
by the way, maybe that's why Bill leaned on him.
Bill had this high IQ, but sometimes wanted that sort
of almost abuncular uncle smart uncle experienced wisdom. He sought wisdom.
Bill smart enough to know what he didn't know or
what he couldn't see. It's not that Bill didn't know stuff,

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but sometimes when you're kind of in the authoritarian chair,
people don't always give you honest feedback, right like, and
Ernie could give him really honest feedback. Ernie didn't need him,
Ernie didn't you know, he didn't owe Ernie anything like.
Bill and Ernie's relationship is the perfect kind where one
guy's rich, powerful, in control of it, but he's smart

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enough to know Ernie's the one guy that doesn't need me.
He'll be the most honest to me, and that's that's
a hard thing to get when you're in control and power.

Speaker 2 (01:11:06):
Yeah, I agree with that. Like I said, I agree
with a lot of his takes.

Speaker 1 (01:11:11):
I don't know that to be true. That's just what
it feels like to me. Don't you think the more
power people have, Like, if you were a president and
higher device president, what you'd really want is somebody that
was honest with you. You wouldn't necessarily need the smartest
person because they may be intimidated or challenged.

Speaker 2 (01:11:28):
You gotta have a no guy.

Speaker 1 (01:11:30):
You gotta have a no guy. Bernie could be a
no guy exactly.

Speaker 3 (01:11:34):
There's a parallel here with the end of the Patriots
dynasty in Belichick with kind of bringing in people like
Matt Patricia and like, maybe not the best role for
an offensive coordinator, but maybe there's a trust factor there
to that. So maybe there is a downside to that,
Maybe there is an upside to that, but something to consider.

Speaker 2 (01:11:52):
Yeah, we'll have another time for that one. We'll have
another time for that one. Now, let's break down the game.

Speaker 3 (01:11:58):
Kai Oh so here's the game on the college we
mentioned earlier, John Madden and Al Michaels. Referee was Walt Anderson,
but you wanted to specifically mention also forty four.

Speaker 2 (01:12:10):
He was like Cloudy Stickler. He always had relationships with
certain refs. Walt was the type of guy he just
didn't want he you know, it's a give take thing. Hey,
how you doing? And then you feel it if you
could bark at him, he wouldn't let you bark. He's
a principal. Yeah, there's some guys that just like that.
My bad cutting you off, Kyler.

Speaker 3 (01:12:30):
No, you're good. First half was a battlefield goals two
from Seattle from Josh Brown and a fifty yarder from Martandramatica.
But there was a late late half drive. Tony Romo
punched it in with Patrick Creighton for a touchdown to
put Dallas up ten to six and a half.

Speaker 2 (01:12:47):
These last two minutes were crazy. Those last like four
minutes are crazy. What do you think about when you
think of this game other than the fumbled two.

Speaker 1 (01:12:54):
Beat up really flawed teams that put on a classic
television showcase. It's classic NFL. They were not great teams.
They didn't play well down the stretch, but gave you
a wildly entertaining game. Iconic coaches, underrated quarterbacks, crazy environment.
That's why the NFL is king. You don't need great
teams to have dramatic games. It was situationally wild. It

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wasn't a clean game. It was just great television.

Speaker 2 (01:13:21):
Very wild. I mean, ninety three yard kickoff returned touchdown
by Miles Miles Austin, yep. Like if you do that,
you're like percentages of winning are like ninety four percent.

Speaker 3 (01:13:34):
So let's kind of get into the last eight minutes
because I think that's really where the bulk of this
game kind of happened. Seattle was trailing twenty to thirteen.
Hausbec goes to the end zone and gets a pass interference.
The ball's on the one, but they can't punch it in.
There's a turnover on this spot. Remember that spot. I
don't the witting spot. It would have been a first down.

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That's why they had to kick the field goal. They
gave him the first they gave him the first down. Yeah,
and they took it away.

Speaker 2 (01:14:01):
Yeah. It really wasn't conclusive after I watched it, because
where he caught the ball, It's where he caught the ball,
it looked like it was over and it was kind
of rigged. I feel the NFL is scripted.

Speaker 3 (01:14:13):
I don't know about rig but it's hard to overturn
a spot in that moment when on the field they
overturns down. It probably was short, but was there enough
there to overturn it?

Speaker 2 (01:14:24):
This is still pre keep going.

Speaker 3 (01:14:26):
So that was the last that was a part of
the play right before because I was a fourth down
that led to the box snap, but before that the safety.
So then with six minutes left, six minutes forty two
seconds left, Dallas takes over on the one and we
have a Terry Glenn fumble that goes out back of
the end zone for a safety. It looked like it
might have been a touchdown, but one of the players,

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while he's touching it barely I think it was, he
said out a bound, So it was a safety and
not a touchdown. And then Seattle stops Dallas. And then
with five minutes forty five seconds left, Matt hassebec leads
Seattle downfield and hits Jeremy Stevens down the middle fourth
thirty seven year touchdown.

Speaker 2 (01:15:01):
They go for two, which you had thoughts on Yeah.
So if you looked at their fourth down play when
they lost it on the one yard line Seattle. I
hate when teams cut off the middle of the field
in like a low red area play like I gotta
have it play. Yeah. So like on the two point conversion,
they were running like a drag and they were flooding

(01:15:23):
the zone over on the right. So if the defense
has everyone over there, there's no there's no backside look,
there's nothing there for you to do, so you're cutting
off half of the field. They did the same thing
on the two point play, Like I just I didn't
understand it.

Speaker 3 (01:15:38):
So they missed the two point, leaving the door open
only going up twenty one to twenty. So with four
minutes eighteen seconds left, Tony Roma takes over a little
bit opportunity to be a hero. There's an eight play,
three minute and ten second drive down to the Seattle two,
which was as you mentioned before that Jason Witten looks
like a first down might not a first down, challenge
the spots for moves with fourth down, and that's when

(01:16:01):
the infamous Tony Romo bought snap. If you want to
talk through that play a little bit, we were talking
about it earlier.

Speaker 2 (01:16:08):
I mean, when you watch the play, he looked like
he got a case of the yips. It looks like
he didn't call fire, because I'm sure they have a
fire play whenever there's a bodd snap like you practice
this on Friday practices, like, all right, guys, let's run
the fire drill. And then for a second I thought
he was going to get in. When I remember watching

(01:16:29):
this as a kid, I was like, he's going to
run it in. I thought he was going to run
it in.

Speaker 1 (01:16:32):
Yeah, well, it is kind of your vintage Romo that
he screws up and is so athletic. He almost makes
the play of the year for the Cowboy. That's so tony.

Speaker 3 (01:16:41):
He didn't even need the score, he just needed to
get the first down too. I think the real question
here we were talking about earlier during our prep was
why was Tony Romo even still the holder at this
point of the season.

Speaker 2 (01:16:51):
This kind of revolutionized the game because this is the
last time you really saw backup quarterbacks holding the the
field goal.

Speaker 1 (01:16:59):
Plus analytics has moved, you know, the pat is now harder.
Analytics have come in, so the traditional pat just doesn't
it's so much has changed for just a simple play
that used to be a go get a beer at
the fridge play, like the short field goal, like the
pat now like has drama. So what they're doing to
the kickoff rule, the NFL figures out where you know

(01:17:20):
these this was is usually in my life, that's a
ninety nine percent game winning kick that just that ends it.
And so with that failure, it makes people reevaluate situationally
what you're doing with a quarterback taking the snap, which
is weird. You have all that if you think about it,
it's a precision play. You have all this energy, you're

(01:17:41):
on cloud nine. You're probably the worst guy I want
taking a snap when I want guy that is just like,
come off the sidelines, ready to go. That's all I do.
Tony's got a million things going through his head. He's tired,
he's exhausted. Now he's got to get down to a
special team situation and crappy weather. It's tougher than you think.

Speaker 2 (01:18:02):
No, it's very I was a backup holder. It's it's
very tough the holder and kicker or the kicker, and
now that the punter usually holds for the field goal
guy or the field goal kicker and and those guys
are practicing that operation all day long, like so they
could they know how to snap it. The snapper knows
how to snap it to where the laces are in

(01:18:24):
the right area for the hand of the holder. Like
that's how precise it is nowadays. It's just I mean,
this is it's crazy to see a backup quarterback or
now you're starting quarterback, even a quarterback holding it. And
this wasn't even that far far along. You are you
Seehawks fans still not really now.

Speaker 1 (01:18:47):
Really, I'm kind of a show the most.

Speaker 2 (01:18:49):
In the show fan. What's best for the show.

Speaker 1 (01:18:52):
It's best for the show.

Speaker 2 (01:18:53):
They're not.

Speaker 1 (01:18:53):
They have a rookie coach, a new staff, we don't
know him. Gino is sort of a guy. So they're not.
They're not. You know the teams that Kansas City, Baltimore
with Lamar people love them or don't Barbaugh now, Niners,
Eagles with Saquon, Cowboys, Brand Packers with Jordan love. You know,
there's there's seven or eight teams that are more interesting.

(01:19:14):
Then you get into the Seattle's Tennessee's. I mean, Seattle
can win eight games and they're still still sort of nondescription.

Speaker 2 (01:19:21):
Yeah, can you walk us through this play? What was
going through your mind when you're watching this actual play?

Speaker 1 (01:19:27):
Well, I thought I at the time I was in
this game, I wanted the Seahawks. You know, at this point,
I'm thinking, yeah, I'd like the Seahawks to win. You know,
my friends are Seahawks fans, and I thought, uh, that's
a bummer. You know again, in that era, that was
just you were gonna make it. I can remember just
being like, because I always love Parcels, I can just

(01:19:48):
remember thinking, Jesus, has that ever happened before? Is that
in the history of football? That ever happened? The snap
is good, it's caught, then it's bobbled. It's a very
unique play.

Speaker 2 (01:20:04):
And if you watch him right before the play, Parcels,
he's like yelling like it's not over yet, Like he.

Speaker 1 (01:20:12):
Oh, he's animated on the sideline. Oh we're not seeing
it here. But I remember the game he was barking,
oh yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:20:18):
And what gets lost in the sauce a little bit
with people remembering this game is there was a moment
after this, there was about a minute left Dallas was
they want to stop Seattle. It was a bad punt
and they actually had a helmet.

Speaker 2 (01:20:29):
Yeah. Yeah, they had a really good Hail Mary. Yeah,
where they had exactly what they wanted, the diamond in
the end zone with the guy in the middle, and
Romo made time to let his guy get downfield and
it just didn't happen.

Speaker 1 (01:20:42):
Mike Holmbrian said, you end up seeing about everything. One
more thing for the Journal. It's really an all time
gaff and Seattle. Dallas hasn't gotten past the divisional round since.

Speaker 2 (01:20:54):
No, they haven't.

Speaker 3 (01:20:56):
Final score twenty one twenty Seahawks.

Speaker 1 (01:20:59):
Average team, beat up teams, classic.

Speaker 2 (01:21:01):
Game sounds like a Dallas game kind of it does.
What's the aftermath?

Speaker 1 (01:21:08):
Parcels never coaches again?

Speaker 3 (01:21:09):
Parcels never coaches again. Dallas hasn't gone past since the
division round since.

Speaker 2 (01:21:13):
How Home Green was there for what three more years?
Two or three more years?

Speaker 1 (01:21:16):
Three more years? Yeah, and then they went with Pete.

Speaker 2 (01:21:19):
I think, where does this? This has got to be
one of their top ranked losses of all time.

Speaker 1 (01:21:25):
It's one of Romo's more memorable plays.

Speaker 2 (01:21:27):
Well, I'm talking about the Cowboys.

Speaker 1 (01:21:28):
Yeah, it's it's one of the ugly ones.

Speaker 2 (01:21:31):
Are they ever going to get past this curse? What
do you think? How many more years.

Speaker 1 (01:21:36):
I think they're a flawed football operation too, beholden their
own picks, two insular, not enough exterior voices, not willing
to hire a coach that pushes back on Jerry. I
just think they're a flawed business operation. It's like the Lakers,
you know, they they rely on you know, Kobe's agent

(01:21:56):
runs the franchise, former players in the building. Big brand,
but kind of flawed operationally. I'm I'm a big believer
in hiring outside voices for a business to test you
and challenge you and question you. And Dallas doesn't do that.

Speaker 2 (01:22:09):
You got to give us a new perspective.

Speaker 1 (01:22:11):
You have to bring in people outside the building. I
think the downfall of the Patriots late is Bill going
back again and hiring people Matt Patricia and Joe Judge.
And I think it's you need fresh eyes, Jetfish.

Speaker 2 (01:22:24):
What are you talking about, shed Fish head coach of Washington.

Speaker 1 (01:22:27):
You need, you need perspective, new perspective, outsiders.

Speaker 2 (01:22:30):
Now, what do you what do you think In the
comparison of the Homegrown era versus the Pete Carroll era
of Seattle.

Speaker 1 (01:22:36):
Well, one was very much about elevating offensive players. The
other one was about running game, stay low on turnovers,
and win with intimidation and defense. I mean a lot
of what USC was is what with just great linebacker play,
great pressure liner, not a lot of turnovers, a good
strong run game, Bush Lendale White. That that was the Seahawks.

Speaker 2 (01:23:00):
I mean, that's that Seattle six. They call it their
their defense that they all run.

Speaker 1 (01:23:04):
Yeah, it got a little outdated, but I think Pete's
hero was everyone uses it though.

Speaker 2 (01:23:08):
That's what everyone uses. They don't play man. It's like
a it's a matched man. It's like a zone man.
We have any leftover questions over this crazy game that
Tony Romo wishes he forgot.

Speaker 3 (01:23:20):
I got a couple, but will never sins. In additions,
there's more corrections than I can handle.

Speaker 4 (01:23:25):
You.

Speaker 3 (01:23:25):
We usually have jackar researcher guy here, so I'm filling it.
He's texting me like crazy. But I want to add
that that the Bellevue Wolverines absolutely dismantled the country's top
team dayly style and conquered California, sending the Mighty Californians
home with a thorough thirty nine to twenty beating in
front of twenty four thousand fans for the second annual

(01:23:46):
Emerald City Kickoff Classic in two thousand four. Good memory that.

Speaker 2 (01:23:49):
Well, you know that they wouldn't they weren't in a
division in our area. They would go play state champions.
They would go to Texas and play their state champion
the year before, they would go to Florida and they
would beat up up on those teams for twenty years. Yeah,
it's got to happen soon. We'll be right back after
this quick break.

Speaker 1 (01:24:10):
Let's name the game. What would you name this game?
I would say the Romo Snap Game. Or you gotta
put Romo's name in the title, I would call it
the Romo Snap Game.

Speaker 2 (01:24:20):
The Romos Snap Game. Let's score the game. Is this
the greatest game of all time? Let's score it? Stakes
one to ten in a divisional round calling decimals are okay?
What are the stakes this game?

Speaker 1 (01:24:34):
All one through ten? The stakes were low, probably a four.
It is a playoff game. It meant a lot for
Parcels career. Let's go four and a half.

Speaker 2 (01:24:41):
We got it. We got an integrity type score going here.

Speaker 3 (01:24:44):
You gotta score too.

Speaker 2 (01:24:46):
I would say like a six and a half. It's
still a playoff game. Dallas hadn't won a playoff game
in a long time. Seattle is there's a lot of
stakes because they had a shitty season. They just went
to the super Bowl. They're battling the Super Bowl slump.
So star power in this game one to ten.

Speaker 1 (01:25:03):
Not a ton Parcells may have been the biggest name.
Tony Romo, second, a running back, was big, very little
star power about four and a half. Again, the crowd
felt like as big a factor, Parcells was the star
of the game.

Speaker 2 (01:25:15):
Really, yeah, you got two Hall of Fame coaches. I'll
go with a six, a flat six. The gameplay of
the game sloppy football, but a lot of excitement.

Speaker 1 (01:25:27):
Oh, the play of the game is a nine. It's
one of the craziest. I mean, it's like the David
Tyree catch. You've never seen it since when you have
a play in football and you're like, I've never seen that.
That's all time stuff. That's like people in the living
room screaming when that happens. Both sides are screaming. It's
a lot of times you get one side screaming, like
Cowboy fans are screaming and Seahawk fans are cheering, like

(01:25:50):
that's a wild play.

Speaker 3 (01:25:51):
This is about our sixtieth game, and you just made
us think of something I never thought of before, which
is we've always just used gameplays as a single game.
But I think there's difference between an audience's version, like
opinion of the gameplay and it coaches, because this game,
a coach might be like gameplay dog shit, but an
audience is like that last fourth quarter, that's incredible. Back
and forth.

Speaker 2 (01:26:10):
Yeah, that's what we do at games with names. We
bring an outside perspective to try to make our business better.

Speaker 1 (01:26:17):
It was also shocking. Most touchdowns aren't shocking. Most great
plays aren't shocking. Yeah, that's a shocking play. A gimme, yeah,
David Tyree, that's a shocking play.

Speaker 2 (01:26:30):
That was a very shocking play. I'm gonna go with
the gameplay seven point five. Seven point five the name
of the game. I mean, well, I.

Speaker 1 (01:26:39):
Mean in a history there, you know, there's been the Raiders, Steelers,
you know, the Bradshaw Frank o'harris is one of the
other is probably the greatest aculus reception, probably the greatest
point here. I'd put it a five five and a half.
It's it's the Romo snap game. But it is memorable.
Very few games can you use three or four words

(01:27:01):
and everybody knows what you mean?

Speaker 2 (01:27:02):
Oh, everyone knows this game.

Speaker 1 (01:27:04):
Yeah, the the the des Bryant non catch game. That's
you know what that means. Yes, you do the David
Tyree catch game.

Speaker 2 (01:27:13):
Without a doubt. I'm gonna go with that. His point
just made my points go up.

Speaker 3 (01:27:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:27:19):
The cultural relevance of it, the cultural relevance of this
game is huge, So I'm gonna go with I'm gonna
go with the seven point nine eight three eighth five seven.
And what is it like? Where does it stand in
our our games? Probably low?

Speaker 3 (01:27:35):
This is it's above the twenty thirty one game, nineteen
ninety five Angels Orioles Cayle Ripken iron Man game, and
then just below the two thousand eleven Stanley Cup Final
Game seven Bruins Canucks. We do an insane disservice to
hockey on this podcast.

Speaker 1 (01:27:52):
Yeah, everybody does.

Speaker 3 (01:27:54):
Game seven.

Speaker 2 (01:27:56):
We love hockey botch snap game, but I gotta see
guys running on field or courts. It's too fast. I
can't follow the puck calling. You want to add anything
about this game?

Speaker 1 (01:28:09):
No, I got a company called The Volume. Check it
out Google The Volume.

Speaker 2 (01:28:13):
Proud of it.

Speaker 1 (01:28:14):
Got a great staff, work hard. Shannon Sharp's on it.
He's a big deal. Yeah, Draymond Green obviously gets people
all worked up. Jason Temp, John Middlecoll former NFL scout
love it great. Up to forty forty forty two employees
growing like crazy, good people. Yeah, DraftKings, big sponsor. So
feel lucky. Feel lucky, lucky guy, Very grateful.

Speaker 2 (01:28:35):
Well, we're grateful to have you here in the nuthouse
doing games with names. It was honestly a pleasure. I've
learned so much from you just being in out of
football and in the Fox world for a little bit.
You know, I really do watch your show and how
you compute things and you're able to communicate things with
your analogies and bringing in pop culture to ultimately bring

(01:29:00):
it to a sport or Your point is like I
look up to that. That's awesome. I appreciate you coming
doing the show.

Speaker 1 (01:29:07):
I have a good route for.

Speaker 2 (01:29:11):
Man, that was an awesome show. He's he's just he's
a really calculated, smart man.

Speaker 3 (01:29:16):
He could talk and be interesting for I think consistently,
like the entire day, Like you could just be just
hearing something from him and it's interesting in your gauge forever.
It's it's an insane skill set today.

Speaker 2 (01:29:27):
Curiosity, hard work. I gotta be more curious now, he said,
I'm curious, so you're curious.

Speaker 3 (01:29:36):
All right, let's hit the hot line.

Speaker 2 (01:29:38):
All right, let's hit the hot line. Remember, guys, the
number is four two four two nine one two two
nine zero. Let's hit the old hot line.

Speaker 6 (01:29:49):
Going on, Fellows Jewels, I want to hear you talk
about that touchdown you scored on special teams off that
fumble recovery, that kind of like just pulped in you have.

Speaker 7 (01:30:01):
Die hard passed Fansas Magic six.

Speaker 2 (01:30:03):
Loved the podcast. Let's fucking go, baby, go pack Man.
That play, thank you for the call. That play was awesome.
That was Thanksgiving, I believe. Twenty twelve in New York.
It was a butt fumble game. Uh mccordy went down
and hit McKnight and I was I was flying down

(01:30:25):
the field converging and the ball like it was like
out of a dream or something just popped up and
I saw it and caught it in stride and went in.
I mean, it was just a weird play, but awesome play.

Speaker 3 (01:30:40):
We've been trying to we've been circling that game. For
a while, I've been talking flirt with Mark Sanchez, flirting
with VINCIBILFK this game, tell us we want to do
this game. Patriots win forty nine nineteen on Thanksgiving Day.

Speaker 2 (01:30:53):
Yeah, that was a bad game for them. I think
we scored like twenty one points or nineteen points in like.

Speaker 3 (01:31:00):
Thirty five points in the second quarter, and it was
like the back to back.

Speaker 2 (01:31:04):
There was a back to back to back. I think
Fireman ed. I think he retired, retire, then they brought
him out of retirement. He's he's back. It's good for
the game. We need to sell.

Speaker 3 (01:31:14):
No, this is real early and I don't even know
if I should be saying it. But there's some whispers
of some stuff about doing some episodes from the Jets
stadium with some people. It just got thrown on me.
That's all I can say. Oh, let's just say it'll
be worth it if it happens.

Speaker 2 (01:31:30):
Jet. It's not the Jets stadium.

Speaker 3 (01:31:31):
First off, that's a soft se Jet stadium. Even in
that moment when he said that, I was like, it's
a giant.

Speaker 2 (01:31:36):
Stadium, idiot, But well, it's not even giant stadium anymore.

Speaker 3 (01:31:39):
It's MetLife Stadium.

Speaker 2 (01:31:40):
It's the met Life Stadium, the old Giant Stadium. Is
I played in the old met the old metal Lands
first start.

Speaker 3 (01:31:47):
I love that highway that just like drives by and
it's really just a fucking swamp just off in the distance.

Speaker 2 (01:31:53):
Yeah, but it's so cool, like when you you get
off the plane and you're driving towards the or your hotel.
We used to stay at their Port hotel for no distractions. Obviously,
find the Newark. Yeah, and you drive and you see
the city on the right, and then you see big
old meadow lands on the left, you see like the
ski park, see a bunch of crazy Jets fans. It

(01:32:16):
was awesome.

Speaker 3 (01:32:16):
Did you you played some games against the Giants there too, right?

Speaker 2 (01:32:21):
Yeah? I broke my foot there.

Speaker 3 (01:32:22):
That was that with the last minute field goal. Yeah,
Dean Lewis, all right, next one, thank you.

Speaker 7 (01:32:28):
So going back to the Seahawks Super Bowl with the Patriots,
obviously they ran a lot of single high style, but
I'll getting two technical. I was just curious from a
viewers standpoint, they ran a lot of single high style,
which is like cover one, cover three. How were you
guys able to identify the one versus the three during
the play, because it seemed like you had a lot

(01:32:49):
of post snap adjustments or Billy O'Brien called them side adjustments,
like how are you able to identify that stuff and
snap routes off to the proper listening where Tom was
able to time things up and hit things where they
needed to be.

Speaker 2 (01:33:07):
That's a great question. That was the old Seattle six.
Dan Quinn was the head coach or the DC and
and the one thing about Seattle and that defense in
the legion of Boom, they did what they did. They
rushed for and they played like this match zone on
the on the on the back side with their with

(01:33:27):
their secondary, and they had really good football players that
all played on a string. So if one guy went somewhere,
another guy went another where another place. It was pretty
easy to see man coverage versus zone coverage. That's why
you saw a lot of the times we'd have gronk
way outside. So if you saw a linebacker went over
with gronk, you knew it was man coverage. They weren't

(01:33:49):
gonna put, you know, a linebacker out there to play
cover three. If they put a you know, if the
corner was out there on gronk or through a formation
indicator or some sort of motion, and it was it
would be a corner out on whatever player that shouldn't
have a corner. Then you knew it was a zone
of some sort. But it was tricky with them because
their zones played like matched man zones. You know, the

(01:34:12):
outside guys, you know, they play with a like a
less fear factor because they had things comeing to break
on the under of them, So they were able to
jump routes and keep their eyes in the backfield. That's
what those defenses get to do. And they only do
that was because of Bennett and and and all the
interior guys that they could get after the quarterback with

(01:34:34):
just four guys. So you need to have a really
good defensive line in order to do that. And they
also just so happened to have one of the best
secondaries you know, of my era. So it was it
was a crazy good defense. But we knew what they
were to do. We knew, and they were a team
that did what they did. They they knew you knew

(01:34:55):
what you were they were playing. They said, we're gonna
run it, you beat it. That was their motto. We
just had a lot of good stuff dialed up for him.
Love it.

Speaker 3 (01:35:05):
I also just realize you're wearing a Seahawks shirt right
now too.

Speaker 2 (01:35:08):
I know I'm wearing a Seahawks shirt.

Speaker 3 (01:35:10):
Is AFC Seahawks.

Speaker 2 (01:35:12):
This is AFC Seahawks.

Speaker 3 (01:35:14):
I'll do one more, last one, Hey.

Speaker 4 (01:35:16):
Julien, Hey guys, how you doing.

Speaker 2 (01:35:19):
So?

Speaker 4 (01:35:20):
I'm in my car on my way home from work
listening to this video when all of a sudden, I
felt like calling and asking you, Julian, what is the
best piece of advice you've ever received?

Speaker 3 (01:35:38):
Best piece of advice you've ever received?

Speaker 2 (01:35:40):
The one thing that comes to my mind is my dad.
When you're green, you grow, and you ripe, you're rot.
You always got to keep learning, you think y'all the answers.
That's when you get picked. Then you get picked, you
ain't live no more. You're dead, You're done. You're green,
you grow, when you ripe, you're rot. It works in
every facet of life.

Speaker 3 (01:36:01):
I use it all the time now too, because of Frank,
mostly just to you.

Speaker 2 (01:36:05):
Yeah, but it's an extension of Frank Man. What an episode.
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