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May 13, 2025 • 11 mins

Wade dives into the return of Manny Pacquiao and how facing world champion Mario Barrios could be a HUGE mistake. #Volume #Herd

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
All right, so we are back on the Way concept
presented by The Ring Magazine. I'm still in North Carolina
spoiler alert. I will be going to New York this
Thursday for the press conference for Edgar Berlanga versus Hamsa
Shiraz and Schakor Stevenson versus Williams OFPAIDA. Don't miss that
one live in New York. I'll see you guys there.
But today we are talking about the bizarre world that

(00:22):
boxing just exists in because in a moment's notice, things
can happen that revive the sport, like the Ring Magazine
coming into boxing and putting on some pretty awesome fights,
even though the fighters themselves didn't necessarily perform. The matchups
were cool, and you're getting to see events that are
star studded and have a lot of thought put into
matchmaking and X, Y and Z. And then we have,

(00:45):
you know the other side of things, the crossover boxing space,
and you.

Speaker 2 (00:49):
Know, the KSI's and the Jake Paul's.

Speaker 1 (00:51):
And all those things, and they kind of all exist
in their own little framework to a degree. And then
out of nowhere, the WBC decides they want their welterweight champion,
Mario Barrios to defend his belt against Many pak Yao,
and about seven to eight, maybe nine, ten years ago,
I would have said, hell's yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:10):
If we had a Many Pakiao championship fight. But man,
he's been retired for four years. He's forty six years old.

Speaker 1 (01:15):
His last fight was in twenty twenty one and he
lost to Ugus in a unanimous decision. I watched his
exhibition bout against the kickboxer guy in Japan. That didn't
look good.

Speaker 2 (01:24):
This is a bad idea, a really bad idea.

Speaker 1 (01:27):
And again I think people will look at this and go, well,
Jake Paul fought Mike Tyson, and yeah, that happened. And
I also said that Mike was gonna get really badly
hurt and it was a terrible idea for him to
do that, and there's some health issues and everything else.
Luckily Mike didn't get super hurt in the fight. But
this is a world championship level fight against a sitting
world champion, and Many does not belong in there. And

(01:47):
again I'm worried that he's going to get hurt badly
for the same reasons. What I mean, the breakdown, let's go,
let's just start here.

Speaker 2 (01:54):
Many pak Yao again. I just went over it. Forty
six years old, been retired for years.

Speaker 1 (02:00):
Lost his last fight, and he beat Keith Thurman before that,
but that was twenty nineteen, so it's been a while.
And this is not me discounting who I think is
one of the greatest boxers ever and has an argument
to be the greatest ever because what he won world
championships and how many different divisions eight nine something crazy
like that. There'll never be anybody like Manny Pacio. But

(02:20):
let's just look at it and throw away your bias
or throw away your fandom of many pakiao because of
course there's gonna be a ton of people that watch this,
and fair play right to those people that want to
watch this. They want to see their guy go out
and try to give it his all one more time.
And Mario Barrios didn't look super spectacular when he was
on the Netflix card, the Jake and Mike card, and
he got dropped against a guy in Ramos that's, you know,

(02:43):
not the best of the best at one forty seven.
I mean, we're not talking about dram Bootsennus here, right
or even in montastanionis like we're talking about a guy
in Barrios who you know, when he does step up
to the elite of the elite level, does tend to
fall in those fights. Keith Thurman, Gavonte Davis. But as
I haven't went over Ugus and again is the belt
holder right now. The point I'm trying to make is
Marios is not even the elite level of one forty seven,

(03:05):
at least not in my opinion. He is not the
top level of that weight class. I think everybody knows
that right now. But it doesn't need to be for
Manny to be in a bad position here, because you're
talking about a many Pakiao that is not a natural
one hundred and forty seven pounder who started his career
at one hundred and what six pounds and just continue
to dominate as he moved up in weight. His power
seemed to carry as he moved up in weight, but

(03:26):
that was during prime and you know, toward the latter
half of his career, but still a prime Many Pacyao,
whose abilities, much like a Mike Tyson, as he got older,
start to diminish, not just because of his age, but
because of his fight style, his explosion, the speed of
his hands, the speed of his feet, his ability to
fight you with his feet inside and still find a
lane for his left hand.

Speaker 2 (03:47):
And I'm not saying those things can't happen.

Speaker 1 (03:48):
Listen, Mario Barrios just got dropped in his last fight
to Abel Ramos, who's not at the top of the
top of the elite level skill in my opinion, So
could lightning strike here for many pak Yao and we
see a George foremant esque perform. It's maybe, maybe, But
when George Foreman won the heavyweight title at forty eight
years old, he'd also been back for three years. It
wasn't like he just walked right back into a title
shot after he had come out of retire. This was

(04:10):
George working his way back to a title shot after
winning and losing big fights. Manny, with the time off,
now walking straight back into one and again, Leo, maybe
you can throw some clips up from the exhibition that
he had in Japan.

Speaker 2 (04:23):
I just did not like.

Speaker 1 (04:24):
The slowness of the movement, the stuff that you would
not want to see out of many pacyow because they
used to be his greatest strengths now becoming his greatest weaknesses. Right,
The kind of plotting footwork, the reaching for punches, not
getting to the target like he normally would against a
younger fighter, only because he's older and the other guy's younger.
And that's what I potentially see happening here. If Mario

(04:45):
Barrios can't beat Manny Pakyow at forty six, he doesn't
deserve to hold the WBC belt. But also, why is
that even the question. If Mario can't beat him, then
he shouldn't hold the belt. If Mario can't beat other
actual contenders, he shouldn't hold the belt. Why is Manny
Pakiow the guy brought in to fight for the legitimate
see of the WBC at welterray It makes no sense.
In fact, it delegitimizes the But I've always talked about
how the four belt system doesn't really make a ton

(05:06):
of sense, because yes, you give an affordance to people
to become world champions, but it doesn't prove who's actually
the world champion until someone grabs.

Speaker 2 (05:14):
Up all four belts.

Speaker 1 (05:15):
It's just common sense, like being a world champion means
you are the best in the world. You are the
champion of this world at your weight class. We all
know right now, at least to me, it's common knowledge
that that's drawn Boots Innis at one forty seven. He
is the best in the world, but he doesn't hold
all four belts, so he is only one of the.

Speaker 2 (05:31):
Two or three.

Speaker 1 (05:32):
I guess now, World champions doesn't make sense to me,
And especially when now you're the WBC and you're like, yeah,
let's bring in Manny pack Yow to potentially win a
World Championship and let's say he pulls it off by
some miracle. Are we gonna put Manny Pakiao in there
with Boots Ennis?

Speaker 2 (05:45):
Is that what we're gonna do?

Speaker 1 (05:46):
Of course, I hope not. And again this is not
me trying to be a hater. It's just I don't
want to see many get hurt. And Barrios, you know,
not the biggest puncher in the world, but he can
hurt it badly. Is he is a volume puncher and
he will be in there again. The guy that again
isn't a natural one forty seven. Even if he finished
his career at one forty seven, that's not where Manny
was his best self. He's definitely going to be in

(06:07):
a massive size disadvantage here. Height reach everything in when
Manny was in his prime or you know, honestly, when
he was still in his late thirties and early forties
before he retired, he could have handled that. His speed
was still there, the consistency was still there. He wasn't
running for political office and doing all this other stuff
and taking time off. We see this time and time
again when a boxer retires, takes a long time off

(06:27):
and then comes back, it usually again, outside of George
Foreman rest in peace to the Goat, it usually doesn't
go well. And I don't think this is going to either.
And it's clear to me that this is done for,
you know, a staging of an event versus the actual
competitive nature of the fight.

Speaker 2 (06:41):
Who knows.

Speaker 1 (06:42):
Maybe I'm wrong and that Manny still has it, but
I'm just gonna go with what makes the most sense.
The WBC and whoever they partner with on this is
going to try to sell tickets off of it. Okay,
that's fine, But what's the point of the belt if
this is the match? What are you saying, as the
WBC to all the actual contenders that you have ranked
at welterwaite for this belt. When you go, okay, that's fine,

(07:02):
you guys worked and you earned it. Again, this is
the people that want to talk about the four belt system.
You have these rankings WBC right now has Devin Haney
ranked number one at welterweight for that belt. Why would
you not make that match or even someone like Sulamane,
the French guy that's ranked number two, or even a
Connor Ben who they have ranked number three in their

(07:22):
welterweight system right now. You can't tell me Devin Haney
and Barrios is not something you're interested in as a company.

Speaker 2 (07:28):
I get it, Manny.

Speaker 1 (07:28):
Probably sells more than both of those two. But if
we're just talking about selling, if we're just talking about
what draws eyes, why are we having Manny fight for
a belt in the first place. If Mario wanted to
fight Manny just having vacate the belt, that's fine. If
you want to just do a fight, just haveving vacate.
But the fact that you're bringing in Manny and the
big draw is Manny can become world champion again after

(07:49):
not taking out any of those names, does delegitimize that belt.
It does delegitimize the matchup. It makes not almost no
it makes absolutely no sense. And again, if Manny is
to win, fair play that would be fucking insane and
it would be a massive, massive accomplishment for Manny. What
does it say about the specific rankings of certain belt
organizations and if they even mean anything or not, Why

(08:13):
fight for a number one ranking when someone can come
out of retirement and just jump right in front of
you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (08:19):
It didn't make any sense.

Speaker 1 (08:20):
And again, if it's just a regular matchup, if you go,
you know what, we've been working on this. I guess
they've been saying for a year now between Barrios and
many Pakiao, and they want to do that fight. If
that's the fight they want to do for whatever reason
you think Barrios's fan base and Pacios fan base it's
going to be a massive, entertaining fight that doesn't need.

Speaker 2 (08:36):
A belt, then go do that.

Speaker 1 (08:37):
Just strip Barrios of the belt and have the belt
ready for two people that are actually in contention, that
are competing at the world level currently, that deserve an
actual shot at the world title. So yeah, there's just
a lot of things about this that I don't like. One,
putting Manny in there without having a warm up fight
for a guy that at forty six years old, does
need a warm up fight to just make sure and

(08:57):
assess that he still.

Speaker 2 (08:58):
Has the ability to do this. I think is a
bad idea.

Speaker 1 (09:01):
Putting him in a world title fight after a four
year layoff, I think is an even worse idea because
what you do is compound the risk of him stepping in,
because now you could have done a ten round fight,
now it'll be twelve. He hasn't fought in four years,
and that was a loss in his last fight in
twenty twenty one. A I just went out, We're gonna
keep going. He's at a weight class that just is
not his natural high level weight class. And again, I

(09:22):
think everybody will know at this point it's clear that
the WBC is doing this to cash.

Speaker 2 (09:27):
Out on Manny's name.

Speaker 1 (09:28):
That to me, he doesn't feel right when it's for
a world title again as a pro bout strip Barrios
to the belt. Two grown men want to get in
there in box, even if it's not a good idea
for Manny.

Speaker 2 (09:37):
I get it.

Speaker 1 (09:38):
That's fine. I said the same thing about Jake and Mitch.
Doesn't make a lot of sense, but two grown men
and that they can make money doing it. I just
hope that everybody knows the risk involved and how it's
a bad idea for the older guy because they're probably
gonna get hurt very badly.

Speaker 2 (09:50):
But when you do it at world level, when you
do it.

Speaker 1 (09:52):
At world championship level, and you see what Manny looks
like right now compared to what he looked like even
four years ago, this is a bad idea, said, well,
I watch it. Yeah, yeah, I probably will because that's
kind of my job ring magazine.

Speaker 2 (10:05):
I'm here.

Speaker 1 (10:06):
But at the same time, it's not going to be
something that I can sit here and.

Speaker 2 (10:08):
Go, whooh, yeah, I'm behind this. This is a great idea.

Speaker 1 (10:12):
This is something that we should keep doing, we should
think about as for the few no no, And this
happens in all types of different sports. The nostalgia of
yesterday's great trying to reap the benefits of today's money
or whatever else is going into these conversations. It's usually
almost always a bad idea, and this one is as well.

(10:32):
And yeah, I don't really know that there's any way
to disagree with that, but you guys, let me know
what you think in the comments below. Is this going
to go over well? How does many pacyao even look
after this four year layoff, and why is the WBC
doing this outside of money? Because I think many pak
Yao could potentially get really badly hurt, and I think
it's going to be a terrible look to bring him

(10:52):
in and usher him into a world title fight at
forty six years old with no reason to do it
other than just money. But that's what I think. You
guys let me know in the comments below. And yeah,
like I said, press conference this week in New York,
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Stay tuned in for that. I guess we're gonna do
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Speaker 2 (11:27):
We'll figure that out.

Speaker 1 (11:28):
But you guys, let me know what you think about
this Many Pakiao Mario Barrio situation. I don't like it,
not for a world title, not after the four year layoff.
It's nonsensical, it doesn't make any sense. But as far
as what happens, could many pull uff a miracle and
George forman this thing? I don't think so, but maybe
my nineteenth in Las Vegas. I just think it's gonna
end bad. But I don't know how those answers, so

(11:50):
I guess we'll find out
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