THE W.A.D.E. Concept - WEEK IN REVIEW - Moses Itauma Fight week, UFC PPV is GONE, Darren Till and Luke Rockhold face to face and more...

In this weeks WEEK IN REVIEW, Wade gives his FINAL prediction on the Moses Itauma Vs DIllion White fight, thoughts on Paramount buying the UFC broadcast rights, and how Luke Rockhold might have already fallen into Darren Tills trap...

0:00 MOSES ITAUMA VS DILLIAN WHITE PREDICTION!

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
All right, So we are back on the way concept

(00:02):
presented by The Ring magazine. I am in North Carolina
taking a little bit of a trip before I get
into a ton of boxing commentary later this month. But
today I wanted to talk to you guys about to
fight coming up on Saturday. The best prospect that the
UK heavyweight scene has seen in a very long time.
Moses Atalma is taking his biggest step up in competition.

(00:24):
He's taken on Dillion White in a fight that I
think is getting looked at the wrong way, but can
also be a launching point for the Moses Atalma era
if and only if he overcomes his biggest challenge. What
do I mean the breakdown? Let's go.

Speaker 2 (00:41):
All right?

Speaker 1 (00:42):
So, like I said, Moses Atalma this Saturday in Riad,
Saudi Arabia taken on Dillion White. Dillion White, who is
I think what you would consider now honestly a bit
of a gatekeeper at heavyweight, not because he is in
top of the world talent, because he is, but he's
thirty seven years old. He does have a couple losses
coming off of four fight win streak though, and does

(01:02):
have wins over two wins over Derek Jazora, has a
win over Joseph Parker, has beaten some big names at
heavyweight and has fought pretty much everyone at heavyweight outside
of Usik. So I tried true test and more than that,
more than a test for Moses the Talma, a real
top five, top ten guy at heavyweight that can test

(01:22):
him and put him in position to be talked about
as one of the best in the world. Because the
only people that have beaten Dillion White, Povetkin he avenged
that loss, Anthony Joshua, who's looked at as one of
the current generations better UK heavyweights, Tyson Fury probably this
generation's best UK heavyweight. Those the only three guys that
have beaten Million White. So Moses the Talma this Saturday

(01:43):
has a chance to put himself and we're gonna talk
about pushing him too far, too quickly, but he's twenty
years old and he has a chance to put himself
in the same conversation as an Anthony Joshua and Tyson
Fury strictly off of this fight, not an entire body
of work, not what they've done in their careers, not
the titles they hell. But I am specifically talking about
the level of boxer he can be and maybe already

(02:04):
is at twenty, and this fight is important for a
ton of reasons. Number One, everyone is looking at this
as Moses Atalma's coming out part, and it very well
could be that. But let's not forget again Dillian White.
Yes he's thirty seven, Yes he has lost to the
top level guys, but we still have question marks on
what Moses Atalma can bring. I think he's the greatest
talent I've seen at heavyweight in this generation, strictly at

(02:26):
heavyweight at his age, I haven't seen anything like it.
The speed, the quickness, precision, being able to punch forward
and backward, being able to have power and finesse. He's
got it all, he really does. It's just a matter
of does he have too much too soon twenty years old?
Is he ready for this moment? Being compared by people
like me to the likes of Tyson fury Aj, and

(02:46):
they're pushing him like, you know, a Mike Tyson push
when he won the heavyweight title at twenty one. So
it's like you're seeing a lot of this big time
pressure for this young kid that we don't know if
he's ready for that yet. We don't know how he
deals with the limelight yet this will be his first
you'll step into that. And I told you guys this,
when Alexander Usak just beat Daniel Dubat for the second time,
I said, the only guy I see in the division,

(03:08):
no disrespect to Joseph Parker, no disrespect to Kabel. The
only guy I see in the division right now that
potentially can give Alexander Usik a bit of a problem
in a couple of years, or maybe year and a half.
Whatever is Moses Atalamus strictly because of his skill set,
his speed, his agility, his light feet, his power, his eyes,
everything that I see with this kid. I'm trying not

(03:29):
to get too excited, but he is the real deal.
And the only problem is we're living in the unknown.
We truly don't know what will happen when he keeps
stepping up because we've only seen what we've seen. We've
only seen him go against guys that we think he
should be again only twenty years old. We haven't seen
him fight past six rounds. He's only been scheduled to
go ten rounds. This one's schedule for twelve. So it's

(03:50):
just that matter of the unknown. Where you want to
be excited about a prospect in boxing, but you just
you don't know just yet. But man, he passes the
eye test with flying colors. But this is no walk
in the park. And Dillion White is known for playing
those mind games. Look back to the Anthony Joshua fight
and how he tried to get in AJ's. It didn't
work out for him very well, but he tried and
he had some success with it, at least in parts.

(04:11):
I can remember watching that fight and watching him throw
that freaking axe overhead over the rev.

Speaker 3 (04:16):
It was a.

Speaker 1 (04:16):
Spectacle, and I expect the same during this fight week.
It's been a bit quiet so far, and I think
that's the way Moses Atama likes it. If I'm Dillion White,
I'm trying to pull out all the stops. You give
this kid every mental game you have because you want
to test him. You're not there to lay down for
the youngster. He's You look at Dillion White in camp
and he's in shape. I mean he is in shape shape,

(04:37):
kind of like what are you back on that stuff shape?

Speaker 2 (04:39):
Now?

Speaker 1 (04:39):
But he is. He's in great shape. He's taken it
very seriously and obviously he's a bit of a more
awkward guy as well to fight chopping hooks, big time
power at Derrek Cizora knockout left hook. It left Derek
Cizora flat at something again. You know, boxing math doesn't
always work. That's something Usik wasn't doing, you know what
I mean. So it's not really the same comparison, but
you get what I mean. It's a dangerous fight for

(05:01):
Moses to town. This is what you could call a
hype train d railer if Moses doesn't go out and
take care of business. And and you know, when we're
on that subject, we talk about Moses's upbringing. I've been
watching a lot of the Zone in the Day of
the Life camp stuff with Moses. He's talking about how,
you know, when he started with Ben Davis, he didn't
want a box, he didn't like box and he had to,
you know, fall back in love with it and Ben

(05:22):
brought him to that place. Fair play to Ben Davison.
You know he's been around a lot of the UK
heavyweight scene, trained Joshua for the DUWA fight, trained Tyson
Fury when he came out of retirement. There's definitely something
that Ben Davison has that fighters attached themselves to mentally right.
He got Tyson Fury out of bed and got him
ready for that Deontay Wilder trilogy when it looked like
Tyson Fury was done for I mean completely done. And

(05:43):
now you hear Moses of Talma talking about how, you know,
Ben really brought him back for the love of the
sport and really got him ingrained with a sport again.
I just worry, you know, when I hear a twenty
year old talking about I didn't love this, I didn't
want to. It's like you haven't even gotten to the
hard part yet, you know, you haven't even gotten to
the dance. And again, this was when he was younger,
and he ended up going and winning European gold medals

(06:04):
and all this. But what happens when you get some
you know, what happens when you get to the top
of the mountain. What satiates your hunger then, because right
now the hunger is the same for everybody. It's chasing
the gold, it's chasing glory, it's chasing legacy. Right and
Frank and the boys over at Queensberry, they have really
pushed him, you know, they've pushed him to the top
of the heavyweight division with only twelve wins. And again,
if he is to beat Dillian White, it's only going

(06:26):
to go up from there, Like, you can't go backward
after that, right, This is why you know some people
wait before they give their prospect a high level fight.
But then again, we're in an era where prospects are
taking high level fights sooner and sooner, and I love
it because there is no duck in, no dodging, No
let's page your stats, Let's get you experience, when in reality,

(06:47):
the best experience is iron sharpening iron in a fight. Yeah,
that may mean dire consequences, but the test, if you're
able to come through, it will make you better. Mike
Tyson fought upwards of what like ten times twelve times
in one year at one point, like he was getting
experienced by going in there, and he fought former Olympians
and all this, So I like the trajectory thereon. I
just I wonder I even saw him talking about Simon Jordan.

(07:09):
How you know, it's unbearable listening to Simon Jordan. It
does his head in talking about Moses Atalma. Again, he's
twenty years old and now starting to get a taste
of the other stuff. Right, not inside the ropes, boxing,
the media scrutiny, the like I said, the bright lights,
potentially the fame that comes out of this, how do
you handle it? We have seen time and time again
boxers that aren't necessarily ready for that moment yet too soon,

(07:32):
Mike Tyson, others that even Tyson Fury to a degree,
others that grasp that goal and then go, well, what
else is there? This was it Let's go party or
let's go do something else in my life, and it
spirals down And I may be reading too much into that.
I just you know, I want to see a high
level prospect in boxing. I want to see that next wave,

(07:53):
and I think this is the time for especially for
UK boxing, which they don't have. I think they have
one world champion right now, or maybe they don't, which
is for the UK, I mean, that's their second biggest
sport they've dominated. It feels like the higher weight classes
and even some of the lower ones in the last
you know, five to ten years, where America is starting
to have that one hundred and thirty to you know,
one fifty four division kind of locked down, but now

(08:15):
without a UK world champion, it does feel like the
hopes and dreams of the next generation kind of rest
on Moses to Talma's shoulders. A lot of pressure, it
really is. We'll see how he deals with it this Saturday,
and I'm excited. I'm excited to see that because it's
put up or shut up time. As much as I say, oh,
you know, let's not put too much on the kid.
He's only twenty years old. Let's not you know, let's

(08:35):
move him. You can't really do that, especially when you're
talking like Frank and you know, Queensberry people are about
him being the next great heavyweight. I think Frank had
a quote somewhere where he said Moses Atalma was going
to have the star power of the Lebron James or
a Tiger Woods or somebody like that. And that's I
mean as an American. I don't know how it is

(08:55):
for Ronaldo or Messi, but when you're talking about those
type of names, that is pressure of the highest order.
That's Lebron James coming out of high school and being
on sports illustrated with the words the chosen One above
his head right. That is being the next Michael Jordan.
That is Tiger Woods at the I think it was
the US Open in two thousand and one with the
fist pump, and he's the newest thing. That kind of

(09:17):
pressure can break peep. I've seen it happen in combat
sports way too many times. How many boxing prospects have
We seen prospects jump up a little too soon, and
unfortunately they pay for it with their careers. So it's
a fine line. But if we're gonna go that route,
which again Queensberry's doing, He's doing, Frank Warren's doing, everybody's
talking about it, then you also have to accept that

(09:38):
if he is to win this fight, that we have
to talk about him like he is a world level
contender for the heavyweight championship. I don't think he's the
number one guy because that goes to Joseph Parkkabiel's probably
somewhere in there as well, and Usik. You know, he's
thirty eight. He says he's he's just getting started, So
we'll see how many more defenses. But I think again,
if Moses Atalma cam beat Dillian White, I think he's

(09:59):
a year and a half away, maybe one or two
more fights away from a shot at the heavyweight championship
of the world. And you're talking about a guy that
at that time will be twenty one, maybe twenty two,
which is fucking insane, But that's the way we have
to operate, based on what's being set about, and based
on them jumping him up this quickly in competition, and
based on this fight with Dillian White. Now, as far
as the fight itself goes, you're hearing Moses to Thomas

(10:20):
say we're probably gonna get this done in round two
or three, and again's saying that when you're about to
fight Dillian White is crazy. To me, it's nuts because
he's only lost to the top level guys, and yes
they've been my knockout. But still that's a big statement
for a twenty year old, for twelve and ozer guy.
But his skills pay the bills. But it's not his
words that are making the statement, y'all. It's his skills

(10:41):
that are paying the bills. They're the things doing the talking.
And his confidence rises from the fact that he is
truly a nasty, nasty South Paul like I talked about earlier,
the speed, the shot selection, the set ups, the faints.
By the way, again, I go on and on about
Tyson Fury and his feints and how It sets up
everything he has. And he's six nine, and he can

(11:01):
kind of get away with fainting with his hands down
and touching from the outside moses the talmut He'll faint
you to drop the bomb on your ass. And I'm
talking left hand. And then that lead hook his right
hand out of south paw. That lead hook is dirty work.
His last fight, he touched old Boy on the chin
bow and had him doing a freaking tinker Bell Cinderella dance,

(11:22):
a piro wet and fall to the ground. It was nasty.
Scooted on the ground a couple of times for good
measure like he was in Stomp the yard. So that
right there is special timing execution. I think that will
be the difference. Again, the big question marks what does
he look like If this fight gets pushed into round seven, eight, nine, ten, eleven, twelve,
potentially championship rounds, Jillian White can get into that zombie mode,

(11:45):
start walking forward, just pressure in your face, hit you
with those body punches, make you feel a little bit
of that. And again I'm not sleeping on Dillian White
at all in this fight, watching him train, looking how
trim he is. He's gonna show up in shape and
ready to shut down this hype train, which is why
when I sit here and predict, I don't know if
I'm gonna go, oh yeah, Moses the Talma, next generation

(12:07):
Golden Era heavyweight to the UK is gonna knock him
out in two rounds. I don't know about that. I
think there's a possibility because of how sharp this kid is.
I mean, he's like a freaking razorblade with boxing gloves on.
But Dillion White can make this a tough fight for it.
And if I'm a fan looking at this and asking myself,
what do I want to see, sure, I want to
see Moses the Talma go in and shut the show
down right completely lights out. We have a new prospect.

(12:30):
He's on the scene, not even just a prospect. We
have a new contender at heavyweight if he goes in
and completely flat lines Dillion White. But as somebody that
looks forward to seeing how he grows over the next
five to ten years, I'm kind of going, man, he
may need a little bit of a welcome to the
show moment in this fight, and I don't want to
wish a tough fight on anyone or whatever, but that
may be what we're getting here right, we may get

(12:50):
a million White that's like, hey, listen, all that other
stuff's cool. All these other TKO is great. I'm different.
You got into the level that matches your own. But
saying all that, I just think this kid is special.

Speaker 2 (12:59):
I do.

Speaker 1 (13:00):
I think he is is for a heavyweight, the combination
of power and speed, the faints, the timing, the set up,
the execution. I don't know if I mean Usik is
the guy that you remind you of, like all those
things I said at the highest level, he's the guy
that you think of when I'm like, who's the best
at that? But now you're looking at a kid that's
twenty years old has those same traits to a degree,

(13:20):
and let's see it if it carries to the next level.
It's see if it carries to the world level like
it has at every other level he's ever been. So
I'm just gonna say it. The eye test tells me
that most of the TAMA is gonna knock out Dillian White,
and honestly, I think it is gonna be early. I do.
I think just because it's so hard to get used
to his speed and timing early on. If you can
slow him down maybe, But I haven't seen him slow

(13:41):
down yet, right, I haven't seen him really show any scratches,
an any dents, anything like that in the arm. But
if you can show him, and you can get up
here with a kid that's already questioned himself a couple
different times before he got to the dance, before he
got to the pro scene, then maybe we will see
him struggle. We will see a flaw in the Golden Child.
Right As of right now, I'm taking Moses Atalma. I

(14:02):
don't think it'll be a first round knockout, but I
think that second third that he predicted might be spot on.
I'm gonna I'll say fourth. I'll give it the fourth round.
Maybe he hurts Dillion White in that third finally finds
an opening right after a bit of a chess game
to start, or about a bit of a slow start,
as Dillion wants to come out, get in his face,
be aggressive and try to take control of the fight,
and just the issue of being a little too aggressive

(14:24):
with a guy that can box on the front foot
and walk you down but also probably is better as
a sniper off the back foot. You get a little
too aggressive, you overreach, over extend, and then Moses Atalma's
there to bang the left hand and the right hook
over the top. That's the way I see this going.
I see him using Dillion White as a vehicle to
showcase the announcement that Moses Atalma has arrived on the

(14:45):
heavyweight world scene and is a legit contender for the
world title at twenty years old. Now again, does he
need a couple more fights, Sure, because we have contenders
lined up in people that have already showcased what he's
trying to do on Saturday, But it test speaks loud
and if you can go in and beat a guy,
and Dillion White, who already has a win over Joseph Parker,
who's the number one contender right now for Usik Spelts,

(15:07):
has already beaten high level guys that Usik has fought
and that holds a bit of gravitas in the heavyweight scene.
Like I said, Kybel's there and he should potentially get
his shot as well. Most of the Talma on Saturday
can prove he's the real deal because people are watching
right now and there's definitely a lot of hope and
a lot of hopefully and maybe and I think he
will be but on Saturday, he has the opportunity to

(15:28):
turn that maybe into absolute. Does he get it done?
I'm saying yes by knockout fourth round, But you guys
let me know in the comments below A game Dillion
White trained his ass off. It may not be that easy.
But in Riad at Saudi Arabia this Saturday, Moses the
Talma versus Dillion White, what happens? I don't have those answers,
but I guess we'll find it all right, folks, So

(15:50):
breaking news. We are back here. What's again from Carolina
Beach on vacation. But the grind never stops because the
UFC just sold its TV rights for seven point seven
billion dollars to Paramount, and we have to break it
all down for one reason amongst many that we're gonna
get into in this video, but the biggest being ladies

(16:11):
and gentlemen. Pay per view in MMA is day. What
do I mean the breakdown? Let's go all right? So,
as I woke up about to go to the beach today,
the news hit across every major wavelength in combat sports media.
The UFC's rights deal has been announced, and boy it

(16:31):
is a big one. Seven point seven billion dollars to
the winning bidder, and it's oddly enough one that I
never saw coming, not that I had inside information, but
even people with him inside information did not see this coming.
The UFC is partnering and selling their TV rights to Paramount. Now,
for people that are not in the United States, Paramount

(16:53):
is essentially a major player in the US nationally televised market.
And we're not talking about just cable like you've seen
in years past with ESPN or Fox Sports or any
of that stuff. Now, granted they had their own national
providers like ABC and Fox's actual channel, we're talking Paramount, which,

(17:13):
in other words, is CBS, a national televised channel in
pretty much every home in America, whether you have cable subscription, whatever,
that channel is in your household. Now, a couple of
things about this deal is that all events are going
to be a part of this package. It isn't just
some sort of UFC Fight Night package. And then you

(17:34):
still have your pay per views paper user are gone.
You are going to get to watch UFC numbered events,
meaning when the deal starts, events like UFC three, nineteen, three, twenty.
I'm not saying those events specifically, but the numbered events,
the big pay per views the big end of the
year card, International Fight Week, start of the year, those
kind of mcconnor McGregor level cards. You're gonna get to

(17:54):
see those, apparently on Paramount And apparently, according to Arajwani
and even Dana himself today talking on various shows, at
least four of those events. I don't know how many
they're going to run per year now, but at least
four are going to be on CBS nationally televised. That's insane. So, yeah,
pay per view is gone, and you know, I have
a smile on my face, but it's a bit of

(18:16):
a nuanced situation. Number One, Yeah, it's great for fans.
I saw some number like UFC fans, we're paying one thousand,
sixty one dollars a year, are now going to be
paying like one hundred and twenty dollars a year right now.
I think as it sits paramount plus is either five
ninety nine or seven ninety nine, which gets you pretty
much all access to all Paramount properties, and for fans,

(18:38):
that's a massive win. Think about what combat sports specifically,
because they're pretty much the only sport left in the
pay per view business, what they've struggled with for years,
and that is pay per view sales. That is paywalls.
That is illegal streaming, trying to get fans to pay
eighty dollars, fifty dollars whatever, twenty five dollars to watch
a pay per view level card already behind a paywall.

(19:00):
When it was at ESPN, you had ESPN Plus and
then an eighty dollars pay per view behind that. Now
looks like it's going to be behind again the Paramount
plus paywall for most events, and then if you just
want to watch the major cards, apparently those are going
to be on CBS. That's again, this is huge, huge
for fans because in an ever changing market, pretty much
every sport is going away from pay per view. Even

(19:22):
though it's kind of odd the way it works now
because companies are banding streaming services together to almost make
a new version of cable TV, it's very odd. I
just saw an announcement with ESPN and Fox working on
their direct to customer provider being a collaboration, and I'm like,
this is just cable, right, so we'll see what happens
with that. But this specifically Paramount the UFC. Apparently the

(19:44):
way this thing went was they were only going to
pick up a certain amount of events for the UFC.
I don't know if that was Stana White Contender series.
I don't know if that was the Ultimate Fighter. They
were only going to sparse out a couple of things
for the UFC, which I thought was going to be
the play here. I thought the UFC was going to go, Okay, Netflix,
take our pay per view events instead of being pay
per view. Now they're on Netflix, Dana, why contend a

(20:05):
series over here? ESPN gets the fighting, you know what
I'm saying. I thought there was gonna be like four
or five different places, like you see with the WWE
writing right, you have smacked down on a different place
than an XT, in a different place than Monday Night Raw,
in a different place than the WWE premium live events.
They're all over, They're not in one spot. The UFC said,
we don't want to make you fans pay for this subscription,

(20:28):
for that subscription, for this subscription. And I have to
applaud it because that's one of the big gripes of
all MMA fans. We gotta pay for this and that
and this. They just said, you're going to get it
in one place, at least here in the United States.
I assume you know, my UK people, you guys are
still gonna have TNT Sports or however you watch the
UFC now. But for fans here in the US, this
is a massive, massive move. And I keep saying for fans,
for fans, it's you know, and it was an entertainment product.

(20:51):
It is a massive move and for us to be
able to enjoy the sport of MMA like we enjoy
here in America the NFL, which is predominantly on CBS
or Fox, the NBA, which is predominantly on ESPN, ABC,
or your local NBA game time Baseball which is on
Fox or ESPN, or just you don't see a lot

(21:12):
of MMA, and for that matter, boxing on big time
national broadcast television anymore, not here in the US. So
this feels like it's a step up in legitimacy honestly
for the sport of MMA, because you feel like you're
you're kind of playing where the big boys are now, right,
look at the adjective play sorry Kevin Nash reference. This
feels like a major sports move. And again you got

(21:33):
to give credit to the people over at tkoh. Sure
they're gonna line their pockets with this seven point seven
billion dollars is an insane amount of money for a
TV rights deal. Just just to give you guys reference,
I got a couple of stats for you. Does everybody
remember when the UFC sold in twenty sixteen to what
now would become TKO. They sold their entire company for

(21:53):
four billion dollars, not the rights, not the archives, the
entire fucking company, And almost a decade later, just their
TV rights have sold, or just over a seven year period,
seven point seven billion dollars just for one year of
being on paramount. Plus, the UFC is raking in a
fourth of what they sold the entire company for just

(22:16):
nine years ago. Also, I talked about other sports comparisons.
The NBA, that's right, the National Basketball Association, one of
the most profitable leagues in the US. Their media rights
deal is twenty four billion dollars over nine years. It
comes out to about two point six billion dollars per year.
The UFC is at forty percent of that while not
doing what I mean you're talking about. The NBA runs

(22:38):
over a thousand games a year. The UFC, as it
was announced today, they're gonna do forty three events per year.
Forty three events for one point one billion dollars per year.
That right, there is a steal some It just feels
like MMA has become like it's taken that next step, right,
And they got to Fox it felt that way. When
they got to ESPN, it felt that way. And now
they're on CBS paramount punt plus but CBS, and you

(23:01):
hear data. I'll run the clip talking to Pat McAfee
and others about the potential for this big White House
lawn card they're talking about doing next year, potentially being
on CBS. Think of the millions and millions of people
that are gonna watch that event. Take a listen July fourth,
two hundred and fiftieth Birthday of the United States of America,
live on CBS from the White House. And now I

(23:23):
know we still have some cynical UFC fans that are saying, well,
we'll get the four big events, the four big ones
that Dana is talking about, and everything else will be
crap because they don't have incentivization to do big time
cards anymore because pay per view's gone. And to that,
I say, you guys just hate everything, because not only
does this give you more incentivization to build a star,
because you're not having to try to create one behind

(23:44):
an eighty dollars pay per view wall before they even
become a star. Like, think about the way the UFC
is trying to build stars. Now, there's a reason you're
not seeing the Brocklesseners and the Ronda Rouses and the
Connor mcgregors and even the Chuck Ledel's and gsps. You're
not seeing them because one, you're an era of pay
per view where you're trying to build the star on
undercards of people that aren't stars. So you're building under

(24:06):
a card that not as many people are seeing as
it is. And granted there's a lot more that goes
into it, fighter personality, promotion, et cetera. But now, in
front of a national televised audience, whoever is on these
undercards is going to get seen by so many more eyes,
so many more opportunities to build stars. And honestly, that
right there is a talking point that I turn around

(24:26):
and I look at the boxing game right now and
saying are you watching this? Because this is why the
UFC keeps growing and why boxing, especially without Big HG.
Turkey Ala Chic, is kind of spinning around in a
circle because what the UFC is doing is what boxing
has failed to do for two decades now, which is
get their shit together and find a way on one

(24:46):
specific platform, or to find a way on one specific
platform without pay per view, without every single promoter being
at every walks and ends of the earth, so you
have to find this subscription or go over here. Here's Boxer,
and here's de Zonne, and here's this and here's that.
That plus the different sanctioning bodies in boxing is a
real problem for why we're not seeing that breakout major star.

(25:10):
I mean again, also comes down to personality and everything else.
But my point being, there's a reason that TKO got
into boxing, and yes, the ILI Act will be something
that we have to talk about as it continues to
develop and how that's gonna work with fighters rights and
everything else. But they got into boxing because boxing shot
itself in the foot over and over and over. And

(25:30):
Turkey Alis Shake got into boxing for the same reason,
because there wasn't this natural excitement about the sport. It
wasn't growing. The sport was maintaining, not growing. And I'm
telling you, if you're looking across the island seeing what
the UFC is doing, I think they're gonna do the
same thing in boxing and it's gonna take over the
sport again. TKO build relationships with these companies, build relationship

(25:51):
with these partners, these TV rights holders. We're gonna see
the same type of thing go on in boxing, and
I don't think these other promoters are ready for it.
I really don't, and it I only think they have
themselves to blame because you had years and years to
figure this out and you didn't do it. And now
the UFC is kind of showing people how it's done.
Turkey has gotten in business with Dana White for this
specific reason, with TKO for this specific reason. You're gonna

(26:13):
see it on Netflix in about four weeks. They're gonna
run a huge event with Canelo Alvarez and Terrence Crawford.
I got more videos coming out on that as we
get closer. But not to get away from the point,
I guess, I just wanted to show you guys, the
UFC is miles ahead of boxing in this way, miles ahead,
and it's going to keep their sport growing where boxing's
tried to maintain and just we have our two or
three or four big stars and outside of that pay

(26:34):
per view has been dead on that side for years
as well. This just no one wants to admit it
except Turkey. I mean, honestly, Turkey is the one trying
to pull back the curtain on pay per view and say, hey, listen,
no more pay per views when we do ring events.
Here we go. But this is just a monumental announcement
and one that I think is gonna change everything when
it comes to combat sports. And also this comes off
the heels of another big announcement in the UFC that

(26:56):
does have to do with this. You know, you have
these pay per view gone, you have the UFC Nomber
events going to be you know, easily accessible, and then
you have the big four events that Dana wants to
do potentially on CBS again national syndicated television. And you know,
people are kind of throwing the jokes about, oh, the
UFC is gonna do four big events and the rest
are gonna be in the Apex. Well normally I'd be like, yeah,
that's bullshit, But also that's not happening. Number one, We're

(27:18):
not gonna have forty straight events in the Apex. But
the ones that are in the Apex, the Apex events
are getting expanded. It's like every complaint an MMA fan
would have is getting just slashed. As I keep breaking
down this announcement, it went from, you know, no fans
at the Apex, and people don't like that, and for
good reason. It's not a great watching experience for the
average fan to hear someone get flatline kode and just

(27:40):
crickets after there's no energy. The fighters don't feel it either, right,
It's just not a great place to hold fights because
it feels like sparring almost. It doesn't even feel like
an actual big time event. You're gonna see five thousand
to ten thousand people in these arenas wherever, if it's
gonna be a build onto the APEX, or if they're
gonna put more seats in or however they're gonna do it,
they're actually gonna have fans and these things are going
to be centralized in Vegas, I assume. Still. But that's

(28:03):
a massive win as well, So even when you don't
have the big, massive stadiums, you still get that big
fight feel from a five to ten thousand fan base perspective. Now,
the only real underlying thing that hasn't been addressed just yet,
and I think some fighters I saw Tom Aspinall was
on Aerial Show today asking about it. The question now
is you move away from the pay per view model.

(28:24):
And you keep hearing me talk about a big W
for the UFC, big W for the fans, big W
for the sport. Everybody seems to be legitimized. More things
are growing, going in a great direction. Fans questions, concerns
all that are being answered in real time. But what
about the big elephant in the room, which is fighter pay?
If pay per view points are taken away from champions,

(28:45):
which is kind of their big incentive once they get
the belt to sell pay per views, Guys like Tom
Aspinall and Maga mat Ankalaia, DraCos Duplessi, who's fighting on
pay per view this weekend, Jack Dela, Madelena, Ilio Taporia
who's probably the biggest star in the UFC right now,
and so on and so forth. What happens to that
extra bonus they get for pay per view points if

(29:06):
pay per view is no longer, there's what's the big
difference now and pay for a champion? And how is
that going to be addressed? I mean, for one, yeah,
the fighter split has never been great in the UFC.
I think it's somewhere around you know, eighteen percent of
the revenue share goes to fighters, even when that number
source to seven point seven billion over seven years, and
even when the UFC is probably going to be raking

(29:27):
it in handle or fist at the gate, still meaning
their ticket sales are still going to be massive. Now
they're introducing new ticket sales I assume to be a
part of the APEX events and being that crowd all
that stuff. You still want to know. Okay, that's great.
Revenue is going up, but is the share percentage going
up for fighters? I've heard anything like that, And even
Tom aspinall he really had no idea, right because it's

(29:49):
all coming out in real time. So instead of pay
per viewpoints, are we going to get streaming points or
you know, is it going to be one of those
things like a music industry change where music went from
record sales to streaming numbers. Is that how it's going
to be now with you know, bonuses for champions or
you know, whatever it is that is going to replace
pay per viewpoints. I don't know, I really don't, and
I know that's a big concern for people, and it
should be right because selfishly as fans, of course, we

(30:11):
want the best, most affordable option for us, the people
paying to watch these fighters fight. But just like f
I said, the sport was going to grow to be
recognized in the same space as the NFL and the
NBA and MLB, NHL. If the UFC is going to
treat their fans that way, they should treat their fighters
that way as well. Not to say that every fighter
should walk in there and be on a ten million

(30:32):
dollar con I don't know I'm exaggerating, but you get
what I mean. There does need to be some sort
of compensation relief for the pay per viewpoints going away.
And I don't really know how much the pay per
viewpoints in today's era were as massive as they were
in like twenty sixteen with Connor doing crazy numbers, Like
if you were on a Connor McGregor card, your your
numbers were going up instantly, and Connor was making money

(30:53):
handover fist, you know, or even you know a guy
like GSP or Rock Lesner who they all made pretty
decent pay per viewpoints. I don't know if we've seen
pay per views to that level in years, so I
don't know how much of a difference it would really
even make. But regardless, there does need to be something
in place and that needs to be a topic of
conversation when we're talking about it, because it is a
really good thing, like seeing this happen is a massive

(31:15):
win for MMA fans, for MMA media, for the sport itself.
But at the end of the day, the fighters fight
and this also needs to be a win for them.
This also needs to be Yes, you're gonna get more exposure, Yes,
you're gonna get more eyeballs on the product, but they
need to have more money in their pockets based on
this because ultimately, yes, Stana Tko, Mark Shapiro, Hunter, all

(31:35):
those guys, the big wigs, they're the ones that are
going out and getting these deals done and negotiating and
all of that. So sure, reward them handsomely, But these fighters,
unless they're stepping in the cage and providing highlight after highlight,
Guys like Iliot Supporia, guys like Alex Perreira, guys like
Tom aspinall guys that are changing the sport, changing the
level of the sport. And you hear about Conor McGregor
potentially coming back, I know, I say it in pretty

(31:56):
much every MMA video, but he's two days in a
row training, so I'm getting a little hype there, but
without that, none of it happens. So yes, selfishly, as
a fan, this is great. I want it to be
great for the fighters as well. But yeah, it starts
in January twenty twenty six, so you have about five
months a little less give or take to get through
the ESPN era.

Speaker 3 (32:15):
But this is it.

Speaker 1 (32:17):
ESPN is gone. No more ESPN plus sitting on a
blank screen waiting for the commercial break to end, and
you know, hopefully no more buffering issues and all the
issues that came with them working with ESPN. I think
everybody is on the same page with thinking. It was
not the greatest viewing experience for fans at times, even
just trying to buy the pay per view on the platform,
it was rough. But you could say goodbye to that,

(32:39):
and you could say goodbye to pay per view because
MMA just got a massive, massive upgrade for the fans,
for the company, for the sport, and for the fighters.
But again, we're gonna see how that plays out payment
wise and everything else. But the exposure the sport's growing.
Boxing better take a look, I'm telling you now if
you're not looking at this and you're in the boxing scene,
this is what's coming. Promoter, everybody else that's sitting here

(33:01):
and doing deals with different people, this is what Turkela,
Shake and TKO are going to do. Making no mistake
about it, that's not a prediction, it's a spoiler. There's
a reason he brought these guys on board. This is
that reason. And if TKO is able to get it done,
being the newest kid on the block in boxing, I
think that tells you all you need to know about
the cesspool and the chaos and the just flat footed, melodic,

(33:24):
quite frankly lazy era that boxing has been in. This
feels like what the PBC wanted when they went to
Amazon and didn't get, except the UFC got. And it's
also telling that Paramount just did away with Bellator and
did away with Showtime Boxing just recently over the last
couple of years, and then immediately once they signed their
new merger deal brought the UFC in. I think someone

(33:45):
I also said that the deal is worth more than
Paramount itself as a company is right now. Obviously with
the merger, you invest to make more money back and
it drives their value up, but still they just signed
the UFC's TV rights deal for seven point seven billion dollars.
The entire company of Paramount, I think is worth six
point six billion. That shows you how willing they were

(34:06):
to go in business with the UFC, and how trusting
they are that MMA is on the upside, is going
to grow, and that this is gonna be the way
forward in the future. I agree with them, but you guys,
let me go down below. This is massive breaking news.
What happens next for the UFC, what happens in their
first big event on CBS. Who's gonna be fighting there?
How's this partnership gonna go? Can they even top this?

(34:26):
And twenty sixteen, I never would have thought they would
sell for four billion, and then after that, I never
in my wildest dreams would have thought they'd sell TV
rights deals for seven point seven billion. But here we are.
Nothing's off the table except pay per View because it's
dead and the UFC buried it. And I'm gonna be
honest to my appreciation, and I think a lot of
fans out there as well, what happens next to this
whole thing? Don't have those answers, but keep your eye

(34:47):
on this again if you're a boxing fan, because I'm
telling you it's coming. But twenty twenty six is when
it starts. Like I said, seven point seven billion over
seven years. Those are the answers we have. There's a
lot more that we don't, but starting January next year,
I guess we'll find out. It's the way concept presented
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we are taking a look at the face off between
Darren Hill and Luke rock Cold Misfits twenty two Ring
of Thrones is on August thirtieth, and it's headlined by
Darren and Luke rock Hold. The last time we saw
them face to face was at their press conference, and
that was pretty much just complete chaos. I think these
things are filmed on the same day as the press conference, though,

(35:28):
so we'll see if they still have that same energy.
I'm not sure who this man in the middle is.
I probably should know, but he's hosting these two the
main event. They're gonna sit down and talk their shit.
And here's where things get a little more real. You're
not trying to play it up for an audience in
front of you. You are just there talking man to man,
face to face with the man you're about to try
to fight on a Misfits main event. And I want

(35:50):
to see how two of the highest level operators in
combat sports, Darren Till fought for a world title. Luke
rock Hold held two world titles and by the way,
I got to get up close and personal with Luke
rock Hold just a couple of days ago. That video's
coming soon, but I want to see how they talk.
That talk when they're in front of each other. I
want to see when the crowd's gone and they strip
away all the pomp and the filler and they're just

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Speaker 3 (37:43):
Undefeated.

Speaker 4 (37:44):
In Misfits, Darren Hill takes on former UFC middleweight champion
Luke Rocold, making his Misfits debut live August thirtieth from
the Manchester A Overreena exclusively on design than Hell, I'm
not taking steroids.

Speaker 3 (37:56):
No I'm not.

Speaker 2 (37:58):
You don't like for there.

Speaker 3 (38:00):
I have worked every day.

Speaker 2 (38:04):
I worry every day. Waitest me thet.

Speaker 3 (38:08):
I'll test right, today's test today, test me today.

Speaker 2 (38:13):
I work.

Speaker 1 (38:14):
I work every day. Look you know, oh my god.
I don't know if Darren actually believes that Luke rock
holds on steroids or if he's just trying to play
mind games with rock Cold. They just be like, look,
you're not You're not training that hard, and he tries
to psychologically push Luke to train harder, maybe over trained
for this fight because we all know that Luke Rockold

(38:34):
comes from a cage gym or they train like mad men.
It is not even close to the level of like
the level of dedication in that gym is like why
they had at one point one, two three, they had
four world champions in the span of like five years
in that gym. Luke Habib, Daniel Cormier, and game Velaskaz
all in that gym at the same time. So there's
no doubting Luke's work ethic. It's more about the mentality

(38:58):
of what happens during the fight for Luke rock Hold
and for Darren.

Speaker 2 (39:01):
Till you know.

Speaker 1 (39:02):
Yeah, there's been some of that as well, but his
has been mostly about work ethic and other things. So
Darren's saying you're not working hard is very interesting as well.
It could be my games.

Speaker 3 (39:10):
I'll test, I'll test right now, but before they need
and the rings they need.

Speaker 1 (39:14):
Yeah, this is slice of who's Dan's who's hosting this?
I like him looks official.

Speaker 4 (39:22):
When you look into each of his eyes right now,
what do you say.

Speaker 2 (39:25):
Well, just like just an old frail guy. Earlier about
it is he you got you got.

Speaker 1 (39:32):
Some just an old frail guy is not really about
anything that is Uh, Yeah, Darren's playing mind games for sure.
He's this is clearly the same day as the press conference,
and he's continuing to follow up with the whole year
old you need steroids, frail mentally, you're vein.

Speaker 2 (39:48):
Like he was.

Speaker 1 (39:48):
He was kind of cooking him. I'm not gonna lie.
Darren was was cooking with some of the stuff he
was saying about Luke in the press conference, that he's
just following up on it, hearing the face off.

Speaker 3 (39:56):
It's because he beat up two BOMs.

Speaker 5 (39:58):
You beat war and the guy with years like bots
of Petty performing you just call annihilates.

Speaker 2 (40:04):
You quit, didn't you? Qui?

Speaker 3 (40:07):
I realized there's a dumb sport.

Speaker 2 (40:08):
Quill, Yeah, it's a dumb sport Patty's made for.

Speaker 3 (40:12):
Yeah, you haven't. You haven't signed up. They have offered
you millions of dollars and you haven't done it because
you realize how dumb it is.

Speaker 1 (40:21):
Looks like, yeah, you're smart.

Speaker 2 (40:22):
I'm not.

Speaker 1 (40:23):
That's why I love Luke because he's like I realized
it was a dumb sport after I almost got my
teeth knocked out while fighting, But not before that, not
while training for a bare knuckle fight, not while seeing
bare knuckle For the I don't know six or seven
years it's been a thing, but only when Perry split
his lip and Luke. I mean, I hate saying fighters
quit because I am not a fighter, and I don't

(40:44):
feel like it's very fair for me to talk about
fighter's heart and quitting and all that, but it's clear that, yeah,
that fight, Luke just stopped fighting. He was like, I
don't want to do this anymore. He definitely did not
want to continue fighting Mike Perry bareknuckle, So yeah, he
quit all right there and again, darre until you using
that it's a little mental game. I think it's a
genius play because all Luke can say was, oh, yeah,

(41:05):
you were smarter than me to not do it. And
I'm sure Luke got a lot of money. But Darren
Till it can be like, yeah, we spoed spy. You
want to do a spy may and they did years ago.
Darren Till and Mike Perry sparred and apparently the story
was Till beat the ship out of him.

Speaker 3 (41:18):
You haven't. You haven't signed up. They have offered you
millions of dollars and you haven't done it because you
realized how dumb it is.

Speaker 5 (41:23):
I'm like, I'm petty too. You're like, what are you
fifty six? That's you should be not just getting paid.
I'm still on a little king so by Patty.

Speaker 1 (41:32):
Yeah I'm thirty two, or are you like fifty six
or something? This is like how I feel my YouTube
comment section talks to me when they call me unk
every day. I'm thirty two, y'all, I'm still somewhat young, dude.

Speaker 5 (41:44):
Fucky and like you just dog walked it like dot
line dog will off fight me, mate, you hunting.

Speaker 3 (41:53):
He would have took the fight a million times. You've
been denying the.

Speaker 5 (41:55):
Brilliance and strike force you have to at the start
you were a fantastic but you you've got no young lady.

Speaker 2 (42:01):
Go on your balls. You've got no pal.

Speaker 3 (42:03):
You ran away from the hardest boy in the world
in the prime of your life.

Speaker 1 (42:09):
That's a nice line from Luke. Darren says, you were
you were top. You were class and strike force and
in the early days of the U or his Luke's
early days of the UFC, that's because you were technical.
You don't have any heart. That's interesting because again, there
are some fights where you've seen Luke check out a
little bit, right the Polo Coasta fight he was kind
of in and out and kind of walking around and
you heard his coach screaming at him to get like

(42:32):
locked back in. And then the Mike Perry fight and
Darren again, he has been a fan of MMA and
MMA fighters like Luke for a long time. He watched
him on the come up, so he's not talking shit there.
He's kind of talking truth. But Luke with a truth
bomb back. He's like, Yo, you left the UFC or
they were done with you in your prime, So what
are you talking about? Heart? How you going to talk
about my heart? You couldn't even keep going in the UFC.

(42:52):
You had to come do this. Even though it's like
both of them are trying to insult each other for
being on misfits, but at the same time they're both there.
It's like, Yo, you're not even in the UFC anymore, well,
neither of you. It's a Spider Man meme of we
were once big time UFC fighters, right, and again, I
don't look at it as disrespect to be in misfits,
like I think it's a great thing that guys that

(43:13):
are either in that period of their combat sports career
where they want to do something different or they need
to change and they don't want to do MMA anymore,
or yeah, they're maybe done with their MMA career can
come to misfits, get a crazy bag and still compete
and still have the adulation of their fandom to root
them on and maybe carve out a new lane for themselves.
Mike Perry is carving out of new lane over in

(43:34):
Bare Knuckle, so is to let me bang bro guy
what's his name, Julian something he's doing. He's made himself
six fight wins streak over there. Perry has come over
to Misfits, has become the main attraction right now with
cass ein not boxing. So yeah, I think this is
a great avenue for anybody that wants to get a
little switch up from the MMA scene or any other
sports scene.

Speaker 2 (43:54):
Oh, lots of them, lots of them.

Speaker 3 (43:57):
He broke you like a broth.

Speaker 2 (44:00):
When he broke Keith, I will have me understand just
what strepid stuff.

Speaker 5 (44:04):
And I was just like great, cut off the way,
cut off, the way Redcum's the cyclic copy beat.

Speaker 2 (44:08):
The best thing you got over me is the left kick.
Your left kicks. But any in the house, mates, I'm
gonna bulldoze you on.

Speaker 1 (44:15):
I am don't forgot Driggs did break darn till like again,
I don't like to talk like I'm somebody that even
knows anything about stepping in there in the octagon. But
Darren's right. He was outstriking Drags, he was piecing him up,
but Dricus was able to take him down over and over,
gass him, and eventually break him and choke him. Both
guys are telling truth to each other here. They don't

(44:35):
want to hear it. Like Luke doesn't want to hear
that he's a quitter. Luke doesn't want to hear that
after his two World championships that things changed, or that
he's vague, or that he's not got the mentality for fighting.
Darren doesn't want to hear that drack Is broke him
and that he couldn't stay around in the prime of
his MMA career and the only place he wanted to
be in the UFC. They don't want to hear that stuff.
They're both telling the truth.

Speaker 5 (44:54):
Back to So it was a fine UFC, but you
will all know you'll just stay to get paid. Come on,
let's just be fine. Walk in you train on.

Speaker 2 (45:04):
To the me.

Speaker 3 (45:04):
You waiting long up this morning at four a m.
I ran you just I got off the plug. You'll
see I'm fresh.

Speaker 2 (45:16):
You can believe that you believe that you understand everybody
from is.

Speaker 3 (45:21):
On the steroids, but everybody's popped from your from what
I understand, have you seen?

Speaker 1 (45:25):
So they're talking about steroids again, and Luke says, everybody
spoke from your from your ends. From what I understand,
that's local knowledge. From what I understand, and that's local knowledge.
It's like I think they did. But I know this
from talking to the I guess he means from talking
to the locals. I'm not sure. I don't know who
he's speaking about. That's pop for steroids and Darren's team.
I don't think Darren's ever been associated with PDS in

(45:48):
any way, shape or fashion like this is this is
a nothing burger for both guys, Like Luke's not on it,
Darren's not on it. Luke's always looked the way he
looks now it's it's you know, he's looked that way
consistently throughout his career. So I I think that's a
nothing burger there.

Speaker 3 (46:03):
Hey, I'm ready to get tested any time you want.

Speaker 2 (46:05):
Trust me.

Speaker 4 (46:05):
There's no do you see this fight being more of
a technical battle or based on this animosity right now?

Speaker 3 (46:11):
Is this going to be an all out war? Hey,
it's gonna be a fight, A fight to fight, he
got I mean, this guy Darren Stewart put you to
the ropes.

Speaker 2 (46:19):
I'm not that good.

Speaker 5 (46:20):
Really, you're not that, You're really not you look, even
though lost not has anyone even come close apart from
as Well to beat me on the feet.

Speaker 1 (46:30):
I love Darren Man, He's like, look at my entire
career and he's right that on the feet he's had
a lot of success. But you know he's fighting hma
and talking about on the feet. I get it because
we're doing boxing. But yeah, hey, Masbadal did leave him unconscious.
You know, it was controversial him and Steven wonder Boy
Thompson in that fight, I think in his backyard right.
That was in Liverpool, and the Robert Whittaker fight as well.

(46:52):
That was a fight where Darren did hit him with
a nasty elbow, but Robert ended up finding a way
to win. So yes, Darren is somewhat right that on
the feet as a striker, he is far better than
a lot of people. He's one of the best in
the world. And even as a boxer, Darren Stewart Anthony Taylor,
they were no match. Darren Stewart was tough, his nails
and had his moments, but in this fight, the difference

(47:13):
absolutely will be how Luke Rockhold adjust. And of course
I think everybody is leaning toward Darren Till winning this
thing because of his experience as a striker, because of
his ability. But if Luke rock Hold is surprising and
he's able to be tough, this thing could change. And
I don't I want to say too much about what
Luke looks like in person. You guys will see that
in next week's video. But Darren is talking as if

(47:33):
Luke has nothing for him, and Darren's just levels above him,
and he may be right, but it's a dangerous way
to think if there's a lot of unknown in that picture.

Speaker 2 (47:42):
I'm a mustard on the feet Maslo. Yeah, like, okay,
so you.

Speaker 3 (47:47):
Know what I would do is Mazol smoke him. He'd
be done in a round.

Speaker 2 (47:51):
Okay, Well, what happened with Patty Mike.

Speaker 3 (47:53):
Pay This is bare knuckle boxing.

Speaker 2 (47:56):
It's completely different, Okay, but he's still dog walking. You know.

Speaker 3 (47:59):
I didn't dog walked me. I didn't want to lose
my teeth for a dumb floor.

Speaker 1 (48:05):
This whole exchange is crazy because I don't know if
they're even talking about boxing or if they're talking about MMA,
but it looks like, you know what I would have
done to mas Vadaloo has smoked him inside one round,
and I assume he means an MMA, I'm not boxing.
I don't know. But then Till says what about Perry?
And then Luke's like, well, no, that's a different thing.
Well yeah, but it's closer to boxing than it is MMA.

(48:26):
I mean, I guess. But then Luke again me and
like he said this to me too. He was like,
it was a dumb sport and I didn't want to
lose my teeth. He about lost his tooth when Perry
cracked him. But I just don't know, Like what did
Luke think he was getting into. He keeps saying, Oh,
I realized it was a dumb sport. It was a
dumb sport. It's bare knuckle boxing. You're punching with nothing
on your hand, so of course, just like in MMA,
and just like in boxing, you run the risk of

(48:47):
getting hit, and if you get hit, it's gonna be
so much worse, you know, aesthetically, because there's no padding
in your hands. I don't know what Luke keeps using
that as like the thing to go to. I realized
at one point it was stupid. Not while training for it.
When I accepted, you were throwing hooks like that, Like,
what's that about?

Speaker 2 (49:03):
Mates? Get involved?

Speaker 3 (49:05):
Have you ever put on no gloves and walked into
the ring?

Speaker 2 (49:09):
No?

Speaker 3 (49:09):
Because you're.

Speaker 1 (49:13):
I love Luke so much?

Speaker 5 (49:14):
Man?

Speaker 1 (49:15):
Have you ever put on no gloves? They go, put
my no gloves on? Son? I mean everybody obviously knows.
He's like, have you ever fought with no gloves on?
But just the way he says, have you ever put
on no gloves?

Speaker 2 (49:27):
Like?

Speaker 1 (49:27):
What are you even saying?

Speaker 2 (49:28):
Dude?

Speaker 1 (49:28):
Have you ever not put wraps on and then put
on your no gloves?

Speaker 2 (49:32):
We have no gloves? Well, I'm basically fighting in my
city center, and I'm going to tell you, Mundy, so
what are you both?

Speaker 3 (49:39):
You don't think I put my time in on the street.

Speaker 2 (49:41):
You'll know that guy.

Speaker 3 (49:42):
This is what you think.

Speaker 2 (49:43):
You'll know that guy? What you think you know? You'll
know that guy.

Speaker 5 (49:45):
You think you know that guy. I've been a fan
of you. You're a brilliant strike force you have. You're
not that guy.

Speaker 2 (49:51):
You know You're not that guy. I am. You're a
lot more than you what you think I forgot. You're
old though.

Speaker 1 (49:58):
I'm very gl think about this is these two are
talking like neither of them know how to fight, when
we all know they both do. But they're in this
little separate conversation of like between people that know how
to fight talking You're not what you say you are,
and you know vice versa. What Darren is saying is like, oh,
you're not a street tough guy like that, and Darren's
like I am. Neither of them have to be street

(50:18):
tough because we're boxing. They need to be boxing savvy,
boxing tough, but also tactical and strategic and have some
ability and some technique and some skill and some ability
to adjust. All that is more important than the who
I'm a better street fighter than you, But it's ego
comes out in a little bit of machismo as well.

Speaker 3 (50:37):
This is how you're building your confidence.

Speaker 5 (50:39):
I want you to build that up because these as
I know is I'm games for fighting fighting.

Speaker 2 (50:44):
Yeah, so I'm not trying to build anything.

Speaker 3 (50:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (50:48):
Without being said that or for both of you, what
does a win here for every of you prove at
this point in your career and moving forwards.

Speaker 5 (50:56):
Boom he wasn't a boom twenty years ago. You know,
me and Misfits are going to pay him. Well, that's it.

Speaker 2 (51:03):
I'm the star. Luke used to be the star like
he did, didn't He's a great champion.

Speaker 1 (51:09):
And I said this in my breakdown of their press conference,
and I think I was more right about it than
I even knew. I think he's being a little bit
facetious when he says Luke's and nobody, because Luke may
not be the biggest star MMA ever produced, but he's
a big name and a two time former champion in
the sport of MMA. Like that's that's nothing. That's nothing
to sloutchat. He's a main event guy wherever he goes,

(51:31):
main evented in MMA, obviously had some massive moments there,
mainovented and Bare Knuckle main evented I think Karate Combat
as well, and main events here on Misfits. What I
think Darren means when he's talking about all this is
he's talking to Luke saying, I used to watch you
as an MMA champion and Strikeforce and in the UFC,
and you were the man, and now I'm the man.
Now you're coming over to my thing, right, he said, Oh,

(51:52):
me and Misfits decided to pay you now. Darren's the star.
Now he's the one at the marquee. He's the one
given opportunities, and I think that's been more important to
him for this fight, and probably even money or anything
else that he in his mind, it's so important to
him to beat an MMA champion, even if it's not
an MMA, because Darren still looks at himself as a
UFC fighter. He's not even looking at this as like, oh,

(52:13):
misfits boxing. It's like Darren Till versus Luke rock Hold
and their UFC accolades kind of on the line, like
he can be like, I beat a world champ and
that confidence it gives him to potentially one day go
back and fight him May But I'm telling you there's
something about that that Darren loves more than just boxing.
It's that it's Luke rock Hold and it's an MMA,
specifically UFC champion that he can potentially beat.

Speaker 3 (52:34):
You're You're you're building this confidence off two guys that
absolutely suck.

Speaker 1 (52:38):
No.

Speaker 5 (52:39):
I asked my coach today when we're on the track,
and I'm like, is Luke saying like this? And He's like,
not a cotton hells chance? Because i'mortant proper with him.

Speaker 3 (52:46):
I won't believe that, but I also understand I'm working
harder than you every day.

Speaker 2 (52:50):
You know I've watched all you him. You know you're
on the track where she told or not, you're just
doing it.

Speaker 3 (52:55):
I'm not doing anything cheat, I'm doing my own thing.
I'm in a boxing gym.

Speaker 2 (52:58):
Everything the books and gym. No one's teaching you because
I'm using.

Speaker 3 (53:02):
Two pound gloves every day. You can judge it.

Speaker 2 (53:05):
Okay, read it what you want.

Speaker 3 (53:07):
Wait, wait till you put on when I'm beating your ass.

Speaker 1 (53:09):
I can confirm that Luke does use two pound gloves
every day to train it. It's one of the craziest things.
I didn't even know people did it. But again, you'll
have to stay tuned next week for that video. I
tried him on and did some work with him, and
it felt like a fucking sledgehammer was attached to my arms.
It made no sense. But this is an interesting kind
of thing too, and that's why I said at the
beginning of the video. I don't know if Darren Till's

(53:31):
trying to play like psychological games with Luke, but you
hear him even talking in his training. He's like asking
his coach. He's like, I'm asking my coach, do you
think Luke trains this hard? And his coach is like,
not a chance in hell. I know a lot of
fighters do that, and there's maybe you know, you could
read into some insecurities there, but I think every fighter
has insecurities when they're coming up to a fight and
they need some reassurance, right, You need them sometimes your

(53:51):
coach to be there to be like, yeah, no, he's
not training like you are. Ain't no way he's training
like you are. No what trains like this? When in
reality everyone trains hard. I'm sure that some more than others.
But I'm not gonna chock this fight up to who
trained harder. I think it's gonna come down again just
skills pay the bills, not necessarily just who trained hard.

Speaker 3 (54:09):
The first case is what I mean if if you
if you're losing, you can throw the first kick.

Speaker 5 (54:12):
No, I let you throw two, because it's what I'll
tell you both. I'm gonna realist your left kick is Chris.
We're just boxing and I'm gonna smash you.

Speaker 1 (54:22):
I liked what Luke said right there. You know what,
if you start losing, you could throw the first kick.
Matter of fact, you get even throw to call back
to Darren until saying he was gonna kick Tommy if
he started losing. I like that I was clever from Luke.

Speaker 5 (54:32):
I'm gonna be in on you and you I'm making
you quis and I'm younger and I'm probably stronger.

Speaker 2 (54:37):
Even though you're juicing up.

Speaker 5 (54:39):
This is not this is just me and you'll come
in yet mind You'll find MASI I'm gonna prop with
do you in Luke, I'm gonna botter you, hopefully be
raked after.

Speaker 2 (54:49):
I know you love yourself and you know I'm gonna
botter you, and I know that I'm on you.

Speaker 1 (54:56):
It's a psycho like way to think. Number One, there's
a couple things Darren said there that Luke is flying
to the UK, and that's gonna be a big factor.
It is. I mean, depending on when Luke gets there.
He might get there a little early and adjust. When
I got there and I was fighting because I live
in Orange County, Luke was training in Orange County in
LA I went to Manchester. Luke's fighting in Manchester. It
was a big adjustment. It was a real adjustment for me.

(55:17):
Granted I'd never fought before, so there's a ton of nerves,
and you know, me just trying to even sleep with
all of the anticipation and just wanting to get in there,
and you know, trying to make sure that it wasn't
cutting weight, but I was making sure that I wasn't
eating a ton, and you know, just keeping myself ready
to go.

Speaker 2 (55:33):
It was a lot.

Speaker 1 (55:33):
It was training and sleep schedule being the main thing.
But that's a major factor. And I don't think we
talk about it enough when we talk about where these
fights are held. But that's an eight hour time difference,
so your sleep schedule has to change like that. It's
insane to think about. But outside of that, you know,
Darren keeps prodding him with the steroid stuff. But even
the way Darren's talking, like dude, I'm gonna smash you,
like the confidence he has that it's not even going

(55:55):
to be close tells me that again, Darren has built
himself back in this misfit scene and that he relishes
the idea of someone now coming over into what he's
built and trying to take it away from him.

Speaker 3 (56:06):
I like that you're gonna You're not gonna put I'm
gonna put on You have no idea what I'm gonna
bring to the table. I'm a lot different you. No
one's ever seen me in boxing. No one's ever seen
me stepping ring with shoes and gloves and movement and
not having to worry about kicks. It's gonna be different, Darren.
I guarantee everyone, I'm gonna change a lot of opinions,
and I'm gonna put it.

Speaker 1 (56:25):
On a little bit.

Speaker 3 (56:26):
Maybe you got hit, you got him by, you got
out my steward.

Speaker 2 (56:30):
Do you haven't right?

Speaker 3 (56:33):
I took it from I knocked out Joe Shilling.

Speaker 2 (56:37):
I took it. I took his best punch, Joe Shilling
beating old guys open.

Speaker 1 (56:46):
Why did Joe Shilling get rought up that? I mean, listen,
Joe Shilling was a nasty, nasty striker in his day.
But Darren says, Joe Shill have beaten old people up
in bars.

Speaker 3 (56:58):
I'll get the last two guys you've beat, got no chip.
It took you six rounds to put away that little
dwarf chi.

Speaker 1 (57:06):
It's a good point. That's a good point from Rock Gold.
It did take Darren a lot longer to put away
Anthony Taylor. Anthony Taylor's tough Tommy Fury couldn't put him away.
There's a lot of guys haven't been able to put
away Anthony Taylor like he was getting soundly beat. But
a lot of guys can't put him away. Darren did.
But that's a you know, that's a good point. Darren
did struggle to put away Anthony Taylor, who's not naturally
that heavy of a guy, usually fights at around the

(57:28):
one seventy one seventy five range. And Luke is a
big dude. He was bigger than me and we you
know what I'm saying. I trained with him to a
little square up see where I was at. I was
a little taller, but he was just big. He was
a big dude.

Speaker 3 (57:39):
I'm just gonna be like Stuarts can't even walk.

Speaker 2 (57:42):
The guy's got to have You've seen that guy the
most you've seen me in the bowl of it. Yeah,
you'll tall. But do you know what? You got a law,
but you got no chip?

Speaker 3 (57:52):
You sleeping? No, youn't think I'm not working. You think
I got no cham. You're gonna find out everything I.

Speaker 1 (57:56):
Know you were.

Speaker 5 (57:57):
You're old, you're old and your baldy waking with people
all these a little bit broken, and it's like, oh,
I don't really want to go to truck so you
have then days off you're on the beach posting all
selfia you know, you know cocons.

Speaker 2 (58:09):
I'm in cold England. There's only we can only say
that there's nothing else to do.

Speaker 3 (58:13):
I'm putting the work in durn Hey man, I'm not
gonna lie.

Speaker 1 (58:17):
Yeah, trying to do hard work in Orange County is
probably tough, like you have to be I think even
more mentally, like locked in to push yourself harder to
go out and train hard when you live in Orange County, California,
or when you live in like a really beautiful place,
because it's so easy to not do it. So you
really do have to be committed if you're going to
train and live in California to being a fighter, because

(58:39):
there's way too many distractions. London. I've been there not
so much.

Speaker 3 (58:45):
Working and I'm better than I've ever been. When I
fought Paulo Costa, I thought harder than you've ever thought
for three years and I didn't take care of myself
and coming back from that. Since then, three years later,
four years later, I've been working. I live you kind
I'm just saying when I fought.

Speaker 1 (59:02):
Pollo Costa is not a bomb, especially after his last fight.
Paulocasta is fully back and yeah, Poulo's had a little
bit of a on and off career. He's taken a
lot of time off. But if Darren's gonna call Poulo
Costa boom, he kind of has a similar career to
Darren till right, had some great fights, beat some tough guys,

(59:22):
lost a world championship, and hasn't gotten back to it yet. Darren,
that's what you can't go and say you're the best
striker this that and then call Paulocasta bom because the
careers are very similar.

Speaker 3 (59:34):
I thought when I fought that fight. Now I've been
working NonStop every day and it's different and everything's improved.
In universe really seen it? No one never really seen
it because I test myself.

Speaker 2 (59:46):
Boxing. Do you still go and it's difference in boxing.
That's what I.

Speaker 3 (59:52):
Boxed one of the best, some of the best guys
in the world.

Speaker 2 (59:56):
I just watch give me a fox, look at you,
bar No, I'm in a gym with proper world champions.

Speaker 3 (01:00:02):
I am trust me, I do I do work your
coaches me, but.

Speaker 2 (01:00:05):
You're not you want to win all the world champions.

Speaker 5 (01:00:07):
I actually on all the guys are all professional boxing
will champs, just fighting the likes of Camelop.

Speaker 1 (01:00:12):
I love about It's both these guys are like, I
fight world champions in the gym in my boxing gym.
World champions go in and out looks like I spar
world champs. Darren's like, well, oh oh he's spar. Luke
As said the same thing. And neither of them want
to give names. So let's talk facts. And both guys
went noh yeah, yeah, me too. Yeah, world champions, world champions,
fucking hello this. I mean, I'm sure they're both right

(01:00:32):
that they fight high level guys, but why I mean,
if you're gonna talk about sparring, which you probably you know,
it's one of those things you probably shouldn't, but we're
going to talk about it, just say who is you know?
Otherwise none of this means anything. Both guys are just
being like, oh, yeah, no, you you just fighting the.

Speaker 3 (01:00:49):
Box.

Speaker 5 (01:00:50):
I guess I need I might need to spy if
it's right, because guess what, no one wants to spinalcles.

Speaker 2 (01:00:54):
I've knocked every spawning pot.

Speaker 1 (01:00:56):
Did he just say I need to spar you for
this fight because I've knocked all the sparring partners. That's hilarious.

Speaker 2 (01:01:01):
God, So you want to spar before will spot upon us.
I don't want to spot me.

Speaker 3 (01:01:11):
The problem is scared if we sparred, there's no way
you're making to the fight.

Speaker 5 (01:01:15):
Well that's funny, because I spy like a fight. I
just want to add people to know that guy, you're
all technically.

Speaker 3 (01:01:21):
That's what everyone thinks. But I walked in the ring
last week against a six foot six, two hundred and
sixty pounds professional boxer and I let him.

Speaker 2 (01:01:29):
You think I'm I'm lost.

Speaker 5 (01:01:31):
I feel yeah, of course, But that's where you're wrong,
because you're just saying you don't feel me.

Speaker 2 (01:01:35):
You s'll fear me.

Speaker 1 (01:01:36):
They s bridge away titlers on the line. It's so weird.
I don't like Darren is talking that talk to him, like, yeah,
I believe what Darren's saying, Like, yeah, I go in
there and spark you. I just fight him. And again
there's that mentality difference in his mind. He thinks like,
I'm a proper fighter. When things go bad, I'm still
gonna fight. He's like, Luke, you're technical but when things
go bad, you'll quit. And that that is the thing

(01:01:56):
that I think Darren is really holding on to and
saying that's what separates us. Like I'm technical, I'm a
good striker, but even when I'm not having my best day,
I can get through it, even when someone's putting on me,
I can come back. Luke, if things go wrong for you,
you're gonna quit because I know you're technical, and know
you're good, you're strong, all that, but when someone stands
up to you, when someone pushes you back, you quit.

(01:02:18):
Keep that in mind for the fight, because I think
that's from psychoanalyzing this thing. I think that is such
an important point that Darren keeps going back to, and
Luke's just like, no, I'm different. I'm different, which again
I don't could be deflection, could be the truth. But
I'm hearing a lot from Luke saying like, I'm different
now and things are different now, and I'm working harder
now and things are changed, and no one knows and

(01:02:38):
no one's seen it, and it's a lot of hype.
But I need to see it. That's the biggest thing.
I need to see it. I've seen it from Darren.
I need to see it from Luke.

Speaker 4 (01:02:44):
On the Lion for both of you. Start with you, Luke,
how much does that belt mean for you for the
next stage of your career? Where does that belt take?

Speaker 2 (01:02:52):
The belts?

Speaker 5 (01:02:53):
Let's just get us to date. He's got one thing.
I want to be sc title. Yeah, I don't care.

Speaker 1 (01:02:57):
I called. I'm sorry, I'm laughing. I've told I've told
you guys that I don't think the crossover boxing belts
should be as big a deal as they are. I
get it, you know, it's it's a symbol with symbolism
for being the best in misfits. But I've never understood
why we even have belts because we just want to
see fights. We want to see. It is what it is,

(01:03:19):
the belts. I'm not gonna gripe about him anymore because
they're here whatever. But the fact that both these guys go, yeah,
fuck that, it's because again they see themselves as the
UFC top tier level guys. And you heard Darren say
it right there. I called this stuff. The only thing
that's motivating Darren externally is the fact that Luke Rockholt

(01:03:41):
is a former UFC World champion, and Darren always saw
himself as a world champion level fighter. So when he
beats Luke, he in his mind can justify that he
was world championship level. That's what he said. Right there.
I see a UFC belt when I look at him.
That's what I've been saying.

Speaker 2 (01:03:57):
Belts. What are we even fighting for?

Speaker 1 (01:03:59):
The boat?

Speaker 2 (01:04:00):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:04:01):
I don't give fighting for one reason, one reason. We
know what we want. We want the money. We want
to right the wrongs of this stupid, this world that
is boxing. And there's this clown and someone's gotta put
him down. It's gonna be me for you.

Speaker 1 (01:04:17):
What the is he talking about?

Speaker 2 (01:04:22):
A bro?

Speaker 1 (01:04:22):
I love Luke, that's awesome. We gotta fight the wrongs
of this world of boxing. Someone's gonna put this clown down,
and it's me bars.

Speaker 3 (01:04:32):
Play out, slash whatever I want. I'm gonna Darren's gonna come.
Darren's gonna come. He's gonna play his game. But he
doesn't like pressure. He doesn't like pressure. He doesn't understand
how hard I hit. I can, I can, I can around.
You don't hit hard, Oh guy, you don't hit I

(01:04:52):
hit hard with both hands. I can put people down
with both hands.

Speaker 1 (01:04:55):
Obviously, everyone who's watching this, I mean again, Luke was
never known as like a hard puncher in MMA. Was definitely,
like Darren said, a hard kicker. But Luke is a
two hundred and ten to fifteen pound guy that's cutting
down naturally bigger than a lot of the guys Darren
till has fought. He's gonna hit hard. Maybe not you know,
boxing hard, or you know someone that's punched their entire

(01:05:16):
lives hard. But Luke's gonna crack. Daron can't just rely
on the fact he's gonna take punches to get punches.
I don't think that's the right move for Derek.

Speaker 4 (01:05:21):
That we've got a serious heat coming off this matchup
two fantastic strikers, two of the best South Paus ever
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Speaker 1 (01:05:34):
On Design Banger of a Face. Okay, So thoughts again,
I think Darren is so giddy to fight Luke because
he sees him as what Darren sees himself as, like,
he sees himself as a world championship level fighter, and
Luke represents that. Even if Luke is not the UFC
champion anymore. Darren always wanted to get there. That's why
he relishes this moment. And he's super confident, right. I mean,

(01:05:57):
he's telling Luke that he doesn't have the mentality for it,
that he's gonna quit, that Darren's gonna make him quit.
And I believe it when Darren says, like, hey, you're
not about that scrapping fight, You're about being technical. You're
about when it comes down to it, you're better than
the other guy, which is why you'll win. But Darren's
essentially like, listen, you're not better than me. And even
if you were and things went bad for me at
certain points, I still would have something for you. I

(01:06:19):
would still find a way to come back because my
mentality is different than yours. Darren sees himself as a
fighter and sees Luke as an athlete or a sportsman,
and you know the age and the fact that Luke
is not a natural striker or a natural boxer like
I think Darren is. Realistically, again, I love this stuff
because you get to see a little bit of mentality
and Luke is essentially saying I'm the best I've ever been.
You haven't seen this. You don't know what I'm gonna

(01:06:41):
bring all that, and it's great to hear, but I've
heard a lot of guys say stuff like that and
then it ended up being, you know, not as great
as what they thought based on their sparring, because you
can't necessarily replicate a boxing match, even in sparring, even
if you've been an MMA world champion. The match it's
is different, The speed is different, time, he's different, distance

(01:07:02):
is different, and it's just you can only do so
much in sparring to get yourself ready. But both guys
are confident. I will say what I have seen from
Luke is a bit different than I expected, and he
is a lot better with his hands than I expected,
being air in person and knowing what I did know
about his MMA career. So maybe he's writing the people
do not sleep on him as a boxer. I just
I don't know how it's gonna translate when Darren's in

(01:07:23):
front of him. But if you want to see that,
stay tuned this week. Me Luke Rockold training VID coming soon.
You don't want to miss it. As far as what
happens in this fight, listen, I don't have those answers.
The one answer I do have is this is gonna
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August thirtieth. I'll be there. As far as what happens,
don't have those answers, but I guess we'll find out,
all right, folks. So we are back on the way
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of the World. This fight, my opinion, is gonna go
one of two ways. We're gonna break it down. We're
also gonna talk about the co main event and the
Aaron Peco title runs starting Saturday, in my opinion, as
well as some other fights on the card, but the
main event. Like I said, Hamsa Chamaiev drinks dupless c.
I see the path to victory for both guys being
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of a card. Man Hyasakura Tim Elliott to start out
the main card. I'm looking through the prelims. Now we
got King Green on the prelims. Gerald Meershart just gone drag,
Alexander Hernandez and Chase Hooper. Man, it feels like Chase
Hooper is like in perpetual limbo. There Edson Barbosa on
this card. Man, Yeah, some ogs in the game on

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this one. But we're gonna take a look at the
main card, and we're gonna start with the Michael vinam
Page and Jared Cannon near fight. I mean, listen, no
one's been able to strike with Michael vinim Page since
he's got in the UFC, really since ever, outside of
Douglas Lima hitting him with an uppercut. His MVP tried
to be all snakelike and flat lining him there, but
in the UFC especially I Gary had to grapple with him.

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He beat Shara at his own game. He's just a
difficult matchup for a lot of people. I don't care
if he is close to forty at this point he
got into the UFC, LA he's fighting a guy in
Jared Kennaneer that's also up there in age and also
has that weakness of you know, being able to go
strike for strike with some of the higher level guys.
And also Jared can be exposed going strike for strike
with some of the higher level guys. But the main

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factor I see here is obviously the weight that Michael
vinim Page is fighting at. It's one seventy, it's one
eighty five, it's one seventy, one eighty five. He's bouncing
around a little bit, but also his height, his reach
for one seventy or one eighty five, it's kind of
like Kevin Holland when you watch him fight, it's kind
of insane to see how much taller he is than
guys even at one eighty five, and his reach is incredible.

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He's got a seventy nine inch reach there. So I
don't know if if Jerry Kenneer is going to do
a ton of grappling. If he does, he can slow
this fight down and potentially make it a boring decision,
kind of like Ian Gary did to MVP. But if
this does remain a striking bout, MVP will win this fight.
In my opinion, I think he has enough ability, he's
got great timing, he's obviously explosive. Potentially you could see
Jered Kennanyer tries to grapple. I don't think Jered Kennonier

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is a big time grappler in his own right, so
maybe that attempt makes him more fatigue, opens him up
to more shots. I mean, we're only going three rounds here,
and I think Jared has fought an average of fifteen
minutes or so in the UFC, and that's probably because
he's been in five round fights multiple times now. But
I don't know. I think MVP can win a decision here.
I think Cannady or if he does try to grap

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a little more, you can think potentially there's a chance
for him to win a decision. But I think striking.
If we're gonna go strikes for strike, cannad here is
more open to being it, but also more open to
hitting Michael vinim page, you see a strike's landed permitted,
strikes absorbed permitted. But when MVP does throw, he throws
with high velocity, looking to damage and looking to hurt you.
So you know, if I could go either way, I'm

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gonna rock with MVP. Though it may not be a
super flashy performance, and it may be something where he
wins by just a little bit more striking, just a
little bit more damage. But I could see this being
a bit of a stalemate coming into that third round
and one big shot making the difference, and I think
MVP will be the more accurate guy, take less damage.
M welter, But next Carlos Pratis and Jeff Neil two

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just scrappers, dude, two guys that are really gonna go
for it. I hope in this fight you look at
their shots landed per minute. Jeff Neil his output a
little bit higher, but he also absorbs more permittent Carlos
Protest when he's not out here chain smoking and destroying
his lungs. He is a wizard on the feet, obviously
tattooed muay Thai on his chest for a reason. The
guy is a high level striker. So again you're looking

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at another fight that I think is super close. But
I just think Carlos Protest for whatever reason. Maybe it's
his reach, maybe it's the way I've watched him fight,
the way I watched him fight Ian Gary, after being
controlled in that fight for a long periods, still having
the ability to potentially knock you out at any point.
Jeff Neil has been in there with some of the
toughest guys at Welter Way. But I'm gonna lean Carlos
Protess here. I do I think he ends up getting

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this done? Yeah? I mean you even look at their
takedowns and takedown defense. These guys are not going to
go to the ground at least, you wouldn't expect them
to end up in many grappling exchanges outside of some
clinch work and you know, reseeparating from there and getting
back to the striking. I'm gonna go protest. Both guys
are getting knocked downs in each fight they're in. Prontess
has two per fight average. I can see protests stopping him. Yeah,

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I can see that. Let's go protest by stoppage and
we get to the co main event. And oh, I
am excited about this. I have put all my eggs
in the basket of Aaron Pico making his debut in
the UFC. I love this kid, I really do. And listen,
Royan Murphy is a high level prospect making his way
through the rankings in his own right. Number six in
the world at featherweight. Just come off a five round

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decision where he pretty much beat the shit out of
Josh Emmitt and dominated that fight. But I'm telling you
right now, even the UFC don't even have Aaron Pico's
debut picture up here. Man, they got him as a
blank slate. I know he's thirteen and four in MMA.
I know he lost his debut. I know that Aaron
Pico is a belator guy and he's coming over and
bellatour guys haven't had a ton of success in the UFC,

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even though people love watching Michael vinam Paige and Michael
Chandler and some other guys as well. But the point
is this, I think could be the time we finally
see the prophecy come to life for Aaron Pico. If
you guys don't know who Aaron Pico is, and you
know you just started watching MMA four or five years ago,
Aaron Pico back in twenty sixteen I think was the
time period, maybe even twenty fifteen, I'm not sure, was

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supposed to be the next big prodigy at MMA. This
kid was supposed to be the next coming of fight.
To put this on him, but Roger Huerta right, like
if you don't know who that is, he was like
the first MMA fighter on Sports Illustrated. But he was
supposed to be you know, John Jones reincarnated. He was
leading the idea that MMA was practiced as a complete

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martial art versus being a specialist coming into MMA like
Aaron Pico had already think he was seventeen years old
and one match away from qualifying for the USA Wrestling
Olympic Wrestling team. He was a gold gloves boxer and
he was mixing the martial arts when he made his
pro debut, and then everything kind of went left for
a while. He lost his first fight, got knocked out,
and I think his fifth or sixth fight, lost a

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couple more times, and you thought, Okay, maybe the hype
train's over for Aaron Pico. But after that, quietly Aaron
Pico has gotten better and better and better in Bellator.
I get it. Competition is not the same as it
is in the UFC, clearly, but you watch his style.
He's not a big time kicker. It is mostly offensive boxing, bodywork,
hooks to the body. He's knocked out some guys with

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nasty lead hooks to the body and upstairs, and then
clinch work and grappling. He's got good knees in the clinch.
The only problems with Aaron Picco is that he does
drop his hands and wants to get into some firefights
sometimes in the clinch and gets caught there and clipped.
He's been knocked out doing that a couple times, but
it seems like he's shrewed that up he's implemented his
wrestling more into his game when he was a youngster.
You know, I think he's twenty eight now, but when

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he came into MMA as a pro, he was eighteen.
He was looking to knock people out with his hands.
Wasn't utilizing his almost Olympic level wrestling. At seventeen years old,
you knew he was bound for the Olympics, he wasn't
utilizing it, and now he is so larent Murphy taking
this against Pico. That was a big time shout for
him too, because he didn't need to fight an unranked
guy his debut coming into the UFC from Bellator as

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the number six featherweight in the world, so this will
be an interesting fight. Murphy doesn't really impress with his power,
at least not to the degree Aaron Pico does, but
he's able to control fights and that's got him to
this number six spot. Pico very flashy at times, has
some big time knockouts, has some big time finishes, but
can he sustain at this level?

Speaker 2 (01:17:21):
Right?

Speaker 1 (01:17:21):
This is, like I said, the big boy leagues, So
we'll see purely off bias alone. I'm taking Aaron Pico,
but it's a lot to ask it really is. It's
a lot to ask for Aeron Pico to come in
and face the number six kind in the world and
you know, and swim with the sharks here, because Lono
Murphy certainly is that, especially over his last couple of
wins Josh Emmett Eds and Barboza Danige. He's got all

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those and he's sixteen and hero. So this is a
big time step up. I'm gonna say Aaron Pico again
pure bias, because the matchup itself is pretty interesting. For
the way Loaro Murphy fights, he could be a bit
of an issue for Pico if he keeps this thing
at distance and kind of frustrates Pico because he can't
get to him with his hands or he's not able
to to grapple with him. But I do think Pico
grapples him. Maybe a submission on the table here for Pico,

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I don't know, but I'm gonna say he gets it
done by some sort of stoppage because I think he
needs that. I think Aaron Pico needs to arrive in
the UFC, on the main stage of MMA with a
big time statement, and I hope he does that in
the Comain. Then we get to the main events of
the evening, and this one has take your pick written

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all over it. Right, I have looked at it and
looked at it, and I can see multiple avenues for
both guys. But realistically you come down to two choices,
at least in my opinion. Number one, it's an early
versus late fight.

Speaker 2 (01:18:38):
Early on.

Speaker 1 (01:18:38):
Hamzat Chimaiah very dangerous, a very very unique and talented
grappler that doesn't do things other guys do as far
as how he enters grappling, how he holds you down,
how he continues to attack, how he systematically breaks you
down once he has a hold of you and puts
you on the fence. When you watch him shoot at

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guy's legs, he doesn't really do it from conventional spots. Right,
whether it's underneath a rider, left hand and he ducks
under and gets your waist, he is attacking almost like
not in the same way, but kind of in the
same way Habib used to attack, diving at your legs
from long range. Right, it's something that he'll shoot from
what looks like five yards away, like he's not even

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close to touching you with a right hand or a
jab or a kick. And here he goes diving at
your ankle or diving at your knee, and if he
gets a hold of it and he works his way up,
then it's almost Gigi's from there. So that's I would
say what everybody understands is the most likely scenario for
Hamza to overwhelm driccis with his grappling early. And I'm
not saying he has to land the first takedown, but

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if you watch him in the Robert Whittaker fight, he
came out south pond, did a lot of fainting, did
a lot of you know, stuff with his legs and
his feet to try to get Robert Whitaker to settle
down a bit, or just to use that to pressure
Whittaker against the cage, and then from there shot at
the legs, got it, broke the jar or whatever happened there.

Speaker 3 (01:19:59):
We all know.

Speaker 1 (01:20:00):
I don't know if that is going to be the
case because drickis dupless, has such a will to win
that even when he's in bad positions, even when he's
being outstruck. Darren till Is re a lot of sognia
or when things are not going his way and he
needs to create a moment, He's a great scrambler. He's unorthodox,
he's a bit awkward, and he just finds ways out
of bad spots and turns them into really good ones

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for him. I mean, even in the Robert Whittaker fight,
that fight goes from Robert Whittaker having you know, a
good amount of success at least for a bit there,
to just Drick is running him over out of almost nowhere.
It's like, what the the Darren Till fight before the
Deviated Septim got fixed. He's on the feet getting pieced
up by Darren Till, who's no longer even in the UFC,
even though he'll be fighting on Misfits August thirtieth, I'll

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be there, make sure you tune in. But then he
outgrapples Darren Hill and then figures out how to beat him. Jokes,
and it's just like he has a will to win.

Speaker 2 (01:20:49):
What did he say?

Speaker 1 (01:20:50):
You know, I'm willing to die in there, but more importantly,
I'm willing to kill a man. And I know that
sounds super morbid, but the case of Drick is dupless.
He is kind of true. He fights like that, like
every last breath is dedicated to winning. Oh situation is
without hope. Now again, if Hamzak gets that freaking arm
under his chin it starts to squeeze, it may not
mean shit what I'm saying right now, Like Hamza has
a different level of strength and size, apparently according to Twitter,

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because today they had a little face off that we're
gonna take a look at. This is the first interaction
apparently they've had during fight week. A little handshake. Yeah,
and that was it. Now, if you watch this on Twitter,
the MMA experts will tell you that both guys mogged

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each other, which I think I'm a little too old
to understand. That Hamzat was fidgety, that Drickis was fidgety
and he emasculated Drikis, That Dricis humiliated Hamzat by tapping
him on the shoulder and sunning him. In other words,
none of that shit means anything. Yeah, you can take
away from this if you wanted to post a screenshot,
that Hamzai is tall, right, he is. He's about I
think six three sixty four. He's a tall guy. And

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for that height and at this rate, he's very strong.
He's not you know, I'm body building, just super jacked
up monster like that. But he is strong in all
the right areas. He's got great grip strength, his legs
are super strong, and he's explosive and for a tall
guy when he does shoot across the cage like he
does on seemingly everyone after the Gilbert Burns fight, which
will come back to, that's a massive advantage having his height,

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being able to you know, his reach, being able to
get to your legs and work his way up.

Speaker 2 (01:22:24):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:22:24):
Drakes, on the other hand, is tall on his own right,
you know, but he's not the most towering figure at middleweight,
but he doesn't have to be to do what he
does to people. Israel aasign you towered over drickis too.
And again Drack has found a way to beat him
and had to reach on him in the striking, and
Drick has found a way to beat him. So that
stuff doesn't really matter to me. You'll get the body
leguage experts and everybody else talking about what matters and
people looking into it, but that that's complete bullshit. What

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isn't bullshit is the idea that Hamzak can be beat
I think right now because he's fourteen to hero, because
he's pretty much steamrolled everyone, there's an aura of invincibility
around Hamzad, But it seems people have a lot of
short memory because we did just watch him arguably lose
to Kamaro Ousman in their fight, or at least have
a draw in their fight. You could argue that Gilbert
Burns while Gilbert Burns that may out of beaten him,

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or maybe you thought that Gilbert Burns did. He put
hands on Hamzat Chamaia then made Hamzat rethink about standing
there and striking with even the gatekeeping level of striking
ability at welterweight, let alone middleway. So right, you've seen
where some weaknesses have been exposed from Hamzat Chamaya being
able to go strike for strike with Gilbert Burns. We
have a high level kickboxer. As much as y'all want

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to say, drikis is just throw and pray, he is.
It might be awkward, but it works and he is
a high level kickboxer. He knows what he's doing in there.
It is unorthodox and I don't know how much Hamzak
can train for it. And listen, I know Hamzat was
in Orange County training. He was right there at Jackson Jim.
He was up in La doing his thing. I know
Arman was out there with him, Aaron Pico was out
there with him, and they were getting work done. So

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I don't doubt that Hamzat will be ready at all.
I don't doubt that his conditioning is in good shape.
But Stricks got that freaking sceptum fixed. I've watched him
become an almost unstoppable machine of cardio or nothing seems
to really break him. Where Hamzad I've seen get tired
when he gets into later parts of fights and the
striking's not as effective and the grapplings not as effective,

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and he's standing there taking punches and not necessarily as
explosive and active and looking for those takedowns like he
was earlier. And I'm mainly talking about the Gilbert Burns fight,
but you know kamara Usman as well. He slowed down
a little bit so over five rounds. This is why
I said, one of two things happens Hamzad early with
his grappling, or Drickis wears him down and takes over
late in this fight. And I don't know. I don't

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know because Hamzad is so strong. And this is where
I think a little bit of the conversation changes. If
Hamzad isn't able to stop Drikis early and Drickus is
able to keep that pressure mounting, and Hamzad starts to
gas a little bit, and again he's kind of floated
between weights, and he's had the sickness and he's been
out for long periods and all that. This may be
the point where all that catches up to him in

(01:24:57):
a fight where it's not three rounds and in that
third round he can just let the gas tank flow
and hope for the best. He's got to go the
full five and take the belt off the cham. I
think this is gonna be that moment where it finally
catches up to hamza not because he's not trained well,
he's not conditioned well, but because the style in which
he fights is so explosive, so early on and so offensive,
control grapple heavy that their arms eventually are going to

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get tired. Unless your name's Morab Debolish Philly, and then
I don't know what you're on. But maybe maybe Hamzad's
cut from the same cloth. We just haven't seen it yet.
So there's a lot of we don't know what we
don't know. That's the biggest problem here. So when it
comes down to it. Like I said, I think it's
a it's a two way street that we're looking at
it for this fight. I think hamzat very dangerous early.
I think he starts to fade a little later. Drikis
if he can weather the storm early, and trust me,

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it's gonna be a freaking thunderstorm, hail storm. It's gonna
be a fucking hurricane. When Hamza walks through that first round.
He may be a little patient and feigning to start out,
but as soon as that first shot comes out, Amsod's
gonna go balls to the fucking wall. So Drickis's mentality
in the way he is just cut down champion after
champion after champion makes me want to lean Drickis DUPLESSI

(01:26:03):
and still because what I thought would give Drickis real
problems would be a taller guy that could strike from
the outside and pick him apart. And Is he did
give him those problems. I think is he was probably
up in their fight before. Again, drick has just found
a way to scramble and jumped on top of it
is he and choked him. I just I think that
is probably the best way to handle Drickis now again,

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does Drickus have the same grappling as am Juds and
I have? Non? But he doesn't have to. He just
has to have enough to defend himself and get back
to his feet. And that may mean time and time
again early on. But if he can weather that storm,
I think he has a really good chance. The problem
is I could be saying all this and Hamzak could
go out there, shoot once, take him down, get the
arm under the neck, neck crank or rear naked choke,
and it's over like that, and it's just like, well, okay,

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never mind, none of this shit mattered. So ah, it's
just hard for me to go Hamza's just gonna do
what he's done to twelve other guys to Drickis DUPLESSI
it's very hard for me to see that, not because
it's not a reality of what happened, but because certainly,
as you step up in competition, you can't just make
it look that easy, right, Like, you can't just continue
making it look that easy. I know Robert Whitaker that one.

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I don't even know if like that was Hamzad or
it was Robert and his whole jaw came apart. I
don't know that was freaky, and if something like that
happens again, I'll never doubt Hamsut Jamaiah's grappling strength or
anything like that. He could maybe just habibe his way
through one eighty five, one seventy and two oh five
if he wants to, if we're talking about that level
of freak. But I'm going to err on the side
of caution here and say that's not the only thing

(01:27:31):
that this fight's gonna be. I think it's gonna go
a little longer to that. And because of that, I
think Drikis du plus can and will and still win
this fight. I don't know if it'll be a decision.
I don't know if eventually Hamza gets tired and Dricus
goes on offense and looks for TKO strikes or whatever
it is. But I think Drickis is going to turn
the tide on Hamsa Chamayah. I mean, I'm probably wrong

(01:27:53):
on that, and I'll probably get flamed by the MMA community,
but I just think Drakis's mentality way trains. I don't
think it's as easy this time for Hamzad is just
walking in, taking him down, choking him, or you know,
ground and pound whatever, And if he does want to
stand and strike with Driggist, then I think that that
could be a potential issue as well, but hey, who knows.
And the casual concept over here, when we make picks,

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they usually go the other way. So if you're gonna
play on draft kings, make sure you guys do so responsively.
But that's UFC. At three nineteen, my breakdown what happens
in the United Center in Chicago between the Champ triggers,
TU plus C and hamzaich Am, I what happens on Saturday.
Don't have those answers, but I guess we'll find out