September 13, 2025 • 52 mins
Nick Wright is joined by Poker Hall of Famer and seven-time World Series of Poker bracelet winner Nick Schulman to share their predictions for Canelo Alvarez vs. Terence Crawford in their super middleweight title showdown. #Volume
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Welcome in What's Right with Nick right as promised a
special bonus episode one of our now very few two
time guests, our Boxing and Gambling and Poker correspondent. But
in this episode we are going to focus exclusively on
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the boxing piece of it for and tell me if
I'm wrong, not just fight of the year, but arguably
the fight of the decade the last few years. At
the very least, it is Poker Hall of Famer and
for my money, the sharpest of the boxing sharps Nick Shulman, Nick,
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great to see you, Fight of the year, fight of
the decade. How excited are you for Canelo Crawford?
Speaker 2 (00:48):
So excited? Great to be here. Every time football comes back,
it's like I sort of remember what a big sort
of deal you are, you know, so I really appreciate
this crazy because you're my boy. You know, I'm kind
of just poker in the fights. But whenever it come like,
oh yeah, you know, I'm very honored to be here,
and well I know how hard you work. So thank you, sir,
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Thank you brother.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
We have been listen. If people didn't see your last appearance,
I'm gonna give a quick recap of it. So Nick
told us many Pakiao can win that fight. Yeah, throw
the shades on. Nick said, many Pakiao can win the fight,
and Nick got Packiau at plus four hundred correct four
to ten, but fo ten okay, no, no, I'm not changing
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I'm not going to short change you ten cents. He
went off at two to one plus one ninety plus
two hundred something. You got a great number. You were
at the fight with six seats, and I don't think
in the moment realized the gravity of how bad you
got scammed in that fight.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
I realized he was minus eight hundred on Penny Live
after that the tenth rounds. Yeah, but so.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
Any somehow that fight ended up being a majority draw,
which is just as painful as it gets. And but
you were definitively on the right side of it. And now,
to be fair also, and here's the thing, I love boxing,
but I love boxing the way some of the professional
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poker world loves, you know, like the EPL where they
watch it and they bet it. But if you asked
him to take like a hundred question tests, they wouldn't
do great on it. And so I can't speak with
real authority, which is why I bring you on. But
you really liked some an undercard, and so I was like, listen,
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this was the one. I forget who it was, but
he wasn't want to. I don't want you to tell
me because it'll spoil the story. And so I bet it.
I was like, yeah, Nick likes it. I bet it.
I and I was rolling with you. And then we
turned the fight on and I I see the guy
that I bet against is six eight one fifty. I
(03:08):
text you and I'm like, yo, we got like a
foot and a half height difference, and you just sext
me back. They don't call him the Towering Inferno for
nothing that our guys just couldn't lay in the shot.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
But well, yeah, go ahead, no no, I mean no, please.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
So but during that preview of the Pacquia fight, we
talked to little Canelo Crawford. You gave away Ivy's gambling position.
We talked about this, the magnitude of this fight, and
we said we were gonna do this again. So I
am now, and I'm also gonna say one more thing
and then we're really I'm gonna see most of the
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floor to you because I do this. And by the way,
people are watching as Nick drink some wine, I have
one rule for the podcast. If I am doing doing
broadcasting after six pm Eastern, I'm drinking during it. This
is we are taping this on a Wednesday night. My
friend will yeah, thank you. It will post sometime. I
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think either Thursday or Friday. Set you up for the fight.
But I'm doing this for three reasons. One is, it's
the fight of the year and it needs to be covered.
Another is I love the idea of boxing becoming super
mainstream again. And and I want to help however I can,
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because at its core, there is something just human about
wanting to watch two grown men stand in the center
of a ring and see who wins comes out and Third,
and this is the part that Nick may or may
not appreciate. I happen to truly believe that Nick Shulman's
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boxing knowledge t plus his broadcasting chops would make help
make boxing more mainstream if he was a part of
some boxing broadcasts. So this is my entry point to
pushing him in that direction. So I am going to
essentially interview you as if I know nothing about the fight,
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even though I know at least a little bit about
the fight. So the story going in for the undefeated
Terrence Crawford against the legend Canelo Alvarez. Is that he
is jumping what from one fifty four to one sixty eight?
How set the table for how he even got to
one fifty four? He being Crawford and is that the
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story of the fight.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
That's I mean, aside from them both being all time greats,
that's absolutely the main focal point here. A weight jump
of this magnitude is quite rare. You've seen guys move
up the ranks. You've seen pac Yao beat bigger guys.
Roy Jones Junior, nobody thought he'd ever be fighting at
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light heavyweight heavyweight. He was up there doing crazy things.
Sugar Ray Leonard beating Marvin Hagler is the one that
everybody really talks about. Nobody gave Ray Leonard a chance
in that fight, and he went in there and boxed.
You know, he did his thing. But yeah, to move
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up two way classes like this is somewhat unprecedented in
the modern era.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
Why is he doing it?
Speaker 2 (06:33):
Well, it's interesting. You know when they first announced the fight,
I will admit I was thinking, Wow, they made Terrence
an offer that he can't refuse to lock up generational
wealth for his family. But This is wild that the
number one pound four pound guy has to go up
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multiple divisions to fight, you know, the one of the
best guys at that weight. Perhaps Canelo's slipping a little bit,
but that was just my knee jerk. And even Terrence
said himself in an interview that he feels his ceiling
is one fifty four. He said that fairly recently, So
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I'm like, I gotta take him at his word. But
now that things have come to a head and the
pre fight has happened and everything, I think he believes
he will win. I think his team believes he'll win,
and I believe he'll win.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
So the and we'll listen. The market is not If
the I don't listen, you get a sharper price, probably
than most would. And you've been looking at this for months.
But as we sit here today, it's right around minus
one fifty five, minus one thirty five or plus one
thirty five, Like is that where I don't know what
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I was seeing?
Speaker 2 (07:57):
More like one eighty one sixty.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
All right, So then I listen. So he I mean,
with Canelo being the favorite, the point I sew Canello
is the favorite, but he is not a overwhelming favorite.
He's not even that substantial of a favorite for our
if if it is minus if it is minus one eighty, uh,
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just to give context for that, for our you know,
football fans out there, that is the same as the
Packers money line when they're a three point favorite against
the Commanders for Thursday Night football, like minus one eighty is.
Though those upsets happen all the time, so the so
is it fair to say this? The boxing world believes
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Terrence Crawford's the better fighter at this point than Canelo Alvarez,
But because of the weight change, that is what's tilting
the scale. Not that people think Canelo and this is unfair,
but is purely a better fighter.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
You know, it's so interesting, Nick, It's like every take
you hear, for the most part, Canelo's too big, he's
too strong. If you talk to the public, that's what
everybody thinks. And there's a few takes from trainers to
that really kind of bothered me. Joel Diaz and Abel
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Sanchez come to mind. They're just saying, like Crawford's got
no shot. Love him, but you know he can't do
anything to Canelo. I'll take you back to the last
time I bet against Crawford. It was twenty sixteen. I
was playing the World Series of Poker and I was
playing with Ivy. I was just playing cash. But uh,
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and once again just qualifier. I'm not a tout. You know,
I'm gonna black out and go nuts and give all
my picks and plays. But just so you guys know,
you know, protect yourself at all times in the betting.
But Ivy said, you know you like the fights, right Nick,
you want to go to night see Budd? I said absolutely,
So he slid me a ticket and he was fighting
Victor post All and he was something like minus six hundred.
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I got somewhere around six to one on post All. Rangy,
good Japs, smart, Eastern European. I'm always high up on
the Eastern Europeans in general because they tend to be
quite humble, pragmatic. You know, maybe a little bit of
that's from poker, but also in boxing, they're a little
bit slept on. In America. Sometimes this is a popularity contest.
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These guys can really fight.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
I don't want to interrupt. The story is who's the
favorite in this?
Speaker 2 (10:35):
Going back to twenty sixteen, Crawford was a six to
one favorite.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
Okay, so Crawford was minus six hundred. YEA bet the dog,
you bet, I've got the dog, got it, go ahead,
so keep going.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
I pulled up to the arena, and, you know, much
to my pleasure, I realized I had the best seat
in the house and I was alone for four rounds
as Crawford was getting his shit off switching stances. I
knew he was great, but this was like something really
special and the camaraderie with his team and everything. Ivy
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pulled up middle of the fourth round and spent the
entire fight on his phone betting basketball, you know, just
eight seven and a half, not eight right, texting, you know.
Every once in a while he'd like pop up and
come with like a yes sir, you know, but then
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right back to work. So finally in the ninth round,
I said, by the way, Phil, uh, do you have
a sat Did you bet this fight? He said, oh,
this fight? Uh, I have Crawford, Nick, But you never know,
it's boxing. Anything can happen. He got this smug kind
of smile, you know in a Bronx taill when when
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when mush bet the horse and Palmentary rips up the tick,
That's what it felt like. I was like, okay, right,
And a lot of people don't know this, but ever
since then, I've I've actually been business partners with Bud.
And the business plan, yeah, it's it's crazy. And the
business plan it's a really simple one. He goes out
there and fights and I bet on him every single
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fucking time. And guess what, nick business has been booming.
Why would I switch up on my man? Now you
know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (12:22):
So this is so, this is what I want and listen,
die hard boxing fans.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
And by the way, sorry to cut you off, but
after post all he rattled off eleven straight stoppages. They
call his resume to question. But he beat Jeff Horn,
who was undefeated at the time, who beat Pacyao. He
beat David Benavitez, his brother in a in a fight
where he didn't really engage, and then he found just
a gorgeous stoppage. He beat a mere Khan, he beat
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kel Brooke. We'll get into it, but but he beat
the mean machine kaval Yawskis, who's great. Please just sorry, go.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
On, no, no, no, so you got you got exactly
where I was going. And I promise for Canelo fans,
we're gonna get there. But I want what really perked
my ears up about this is when we were talking
about this a month ago and you said, Ivy, and
now I'm gonna sidebar it real quick. I have. This
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is a weird thing about the way I'm wired because
of the industry that I'm in and the people I've
been around, because of the industry that I'm in versus
poker and the poker world, I have been lucky enough
to I mean, I guess I can say this because
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it was public. It was I didn't talk about it,
but it was all over the internet. A few months ago,
I'm in a Grizzlies game and at the Grizzlies Lakers
and at the end of the game, Lebron James comes
over hugs My wife tells her it's great to see her.
DAPs me up and like and I was, as you know,
as Leonardo DiCaprio would say in The Departed, My hand
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didn't shake like that felt. It didn't feel normal, but
like it was. It wasn't like a as big of
a thing as I think people would assume. Here Friday night,
I'm going to Kansas City to do our first things,
first show, but then after the show, Patrick Mahomes Steakhouse.
This is grand opening, and I'll probably get to spend
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some time with Patrick, who I've become I consider a friend.
That's not like I'm I'm not saying that for any
reason other than like to set the table for what
I'm about to say. With that said, about three months ago,
I was in Vegas at the World Series with Jared
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Blesnik and Blez is like, hey, you know what I
was with Blez. But it wasn't Bleaz who did this.
It was Nacho Barbero, legendary Nacho. I see him as
for poor people. And Nacho says to me, have you
ever met Ivy? And I'm like, no, I actually it,
And Nacho says he's like, oh, you have to meet Ivy.
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And in that moment, my heart raced like I was
a child, like my nerves of the situation. It was
so unlike anything that's happened to me as an adult,
because if you don't run in those circles and you're
a poker fan or gambling fan, he is Lebron Mahomes
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whatever you want, like this legendary, large in life figure.
Which is why I say all that to say this
when you said that Ivy thinks Bud might be the
best ever pound for pound, the best ever, I was like,
holy shit, that's not gonna be a comment that's thrown
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around loosely. So my question is I know he's won
of all these fights. What has happened over the last
decade that is there a moment? Is there a sequence
of moments? What is the evidence or the reasoning someone
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Speaker 2 (17:44):
That's a great question, and you know that was indeed
a profound sentiment from IV. My favorite Bud moments in
no particular order, Number one, the Kelbrook stoppage. Now you
can say what you want about where Brooke was at
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his career. It was at in his career. But and
I've ran this back hundreds of times, and I'm not
saying that to sound deep. I just he landed the
shortest little right hand. They're both on the inside, kind
of like right on top of each other, and they
punch at the same time. As the legendary Connor McGregor
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once said, timing beats speed, and precision beats power. But
it shocked Brook to where he kind of didn't know
where he was. And if you go watch it for
people that haven't seen it, it's the knockdown before the
stoppage for the official stoppage. That's one. Another one was
Jose Benavitez Junior comes to town, comes to Omaha, Nebraska
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or abut Is from starts going to the barbershop, starts talking,
starts talking crazy, right, but then he gets out there
and fights really not to win, big respect to Jose
and the whole family, but he's kind of on the
back foot. It's hard to look great against these guys
who don't really engage. He's just kind of jabbing, moving,
shaking his head. Nope, And somehow, some way Bud found
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him in the twelfth round and put him out with
a crazy upper cut sequence. Wild stuff. And again, do
I think Canelo would have beaten kel Brook and Jose
Benavitez Junior? Yes, I do, So you know we're not
overlooking the task at hand. Another one was the Sean
Porter stoppage. And there's a clip that any boxing fan knows,
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but it's going into the eleventh round. I believe maybe
the tenth. I believe the eleventh Bud's corner says, we
think he might be up on the cards. He wasn't,
by the way Porter that is, and Bud. Bud looked
really surprised, and he said he's up, and they said,
you know, we think he might be up, and he
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said it again. He kind of said how and he
looked at another member of his corner and he said
he's up, and they said, Bud, it's time to go.
Got him right out next round and it was an
amazing sequence. He sort of faked a left upper cut
then let it go. It was like really beautiful boxing,
sublime skills. There was one knockdown. Reporter was genuinely, you know,
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shocked on the canvas. He looked at his corner, then
he got up. Then there was another knockdown where they
had a wild exchange in the center of the ring.
That's where Porter started punching the canvas. It was a
very kind of poignant moment. I guess you know, he
fought his ass off. He's a legend, but it was
just kind of like and his dad threw the toweling
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Kenny Porter in the corner. Did David Avenisian knockout in
the center of the ring, a fairly unsung fighter, but again,
this is an incredible display of power from in Cloak.
They were off the clinch and he put him out
close cold in the middle of the ring. This is
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when he went to another promotion BK Prime or whatever.
It was a little bit odd, but that one was shocking.
And of course Nick the aerrol Spence win in its entirety,
but especially the little right uppercut he landed off the
ropes in the seventh or eighth round. That's a shot
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where when you watch it you don't know what happened.
Spence just went down. You have to run it back
to see how crisp the timing was. This guy's throwing shots.
When you think about throwing something, it's not the timing
is impeccable, all right, I mean that was This is crazy.
Shit going on with this guy is when all time
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great and people are so sleep like the bud disrespect
has gotten wild. And listen, I will eat all these
words if Canelo pieces them up and it's just another
day at the office. But it's not gonna be. He
might not be able to win or overcome the weight.
But these guys that are acting like this isn't a
generational talent who's already unified two divisions and jumping up
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two more to go for a third. What are we
doing here? Okay, so a few things.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
Here that That's why I that Nick Shulman needs to
be on these broadcasts.
Speaker 2 (22:28):
Any fight fan. There's millions of fight fans out there
who can rattle off all those highlights too. But I
love you, brother, thank you. I'm not trying to.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
I know I make you uncomfortable, But the point I'm
making is, you're right. A lot of people, there's a
lot of fucking people, bro, who know all the stats.
I know, but I I'm I am, I am aware,
but they can't deliver it the way I can. That
was That was awesome. Here's my question before we go
to the Canelo's side of things. It's actually a two
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part of the first one. Is this because I'm gonna
show my own ignorant. Is it fair to say Madromov
is not like a great fighter?
Speaker 2 (23:05):
No, No, that's unfair. Actually, okay, he is a great fighter,
and I feel really sorry for whoever has to fight
that kid off back to back losses to Crawford and
Virgil Ortiz. That's the same Madromov who was a heralded
amateur who Dimitri Beeval brought into camp to prepare for Canelo.
And let me tell you something, nobody's gonna look good
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versus that guy. You might get the job done, but
no one's gonna do that guy. Like so people love
talking about that performance, like bud By the way bud
pieced him up and clearly won and had to wait
for Turkey Ala Sheik getting into the California Hall of Fame,
eight different concerts, Strobe lights, a smoke show. It was
a crazy delayed event. No problem. The game is the game.
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But let's not acct like he went out there and
looked bad. I really that's not.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
Even that's not even why I was asking. And it's
kind of why I was asking, But here was the point.
So Madramov is a great fighter. He you know, back
to back, tough, elite. He's very good. Very is reserved
for Okay. Sure, but he's he's not a he's not
a walkover. That's a real fight. But here is okay.
Regardless of that, I'm just looking at timeline since the
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Spence fight, that's July of twenty three, Bud has fought
Madromov and now he fights Canelo in that same time frame,
I mean, Canelo has fought fought four has had four fights. Now.
I guess there's two ways to look at that. One
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is Bud should be fresh and healthy and clean. But
how much is it the fact that Canelo is just
in the mix so much more, including fighting one of
the Charlow brothers like you know, and fighting all of
these unanimous decisions it's going the distance, Like, how much
does that play into what what we could see Saturday night.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
It's a great point. It's very pertinent. Inactivity is an issue.
But for a guy like this who not only lives
in the gym, everybody that's been around this guy attests
to that that's his happy place, that's where he relaxes
in the gym. So this is a year round guy,
much like a Mayweather who you know, unretired. And we
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saw what he did to Juan Manuel Marquez where people
were thinking, we don't know. I think it was a
fifteen month layoff, and you know, his boxing skills were
just on full display. And also another thing about Bud,
this guy's team is to me really special, starting with Bowmack,
Brian McIntyre. He just seems so humble and so don't
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make it about me. And he said something that I
thought was really beautiful. Terrence actually said this in an
interview that when you know, he strolled into the gym
as a kid and has never switched up same team.
But as he was rising through the ranks, he went
somewhere I don't remember where, but there there were other
trainers there. I don't know if it was Olympic Trials
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or Golden Glove. I don't know what it was, but
he said, Bomack said to him, listen, any exercises you
pick up over there, any tactics, any new wrinkles to
your game, you know, bring him back to the gym.
Teach him to me because I'm still learning on the job,
and he says it to this day. They're always trying
to add little things to their game. Isau Dieguez another
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guy in his corner, wonderful story. Came from Guatemala, tried
to make a better life for himself, tried to make
it as a pro, struggle to get fights, had a
little losing streak. He was in Cali, went to Omaha,
met Brian McIntyre, Bomack, They struggled. It was, you know,
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the grind was real. And then in walked fourteen year
old Bud Crawford. And there's another guy in his team,
Red Spikes. And again you can see interviews with all
these guys. They're never there's no ego there. These are
students of the game. So inactivity is an issue for
me more for the guys who they're in camp, they
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fight and then they're partying, or then they're on vacation.
A lot of boxers, because it's a vicious sport in
life happens, you know, like it's we're human beings, end
of the day. But this guy has wanted to be
a world champion since he was a kid, and he's
been unwavering in this pursuit. That's real you know that
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that's real life and he's coming. So I don't think
it matters that much here, but it's it is an issue.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
All right, Let's talk Canelo before we get to how
the fight. I mean, it's obvious you know what side
you're going, but how the fight you see it playing out? Specifically,
because Canelo's a legend in his own right and Canelo
is the guy who is going to be I think
it's fair to say more comfortable, not because Bud's not
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used to spotlight, but because Canelo is not the one
having to change weight glasses. What again, I'm gonna go,
as I was saying before, die hard boxing fans are
gonna love this either way. So for the casual fans,
how did Canelo Alvarez become Canelo Alvarez? Like? Why is
he a legend?
Speaker 2 (28:28):
So Canelo, Hi, sweetheart, Hi baby.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
She can definitely stop by. Both of my daughters have
co hosts.
Speaker 2 (28:36):
You want to she wants to goodness, you want to
come say high for one second? Baby on anything?
Speaker 1 (28:42):
Okay, well well then don't.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
Maybe I'm on CV right now. You know what I mean.
I love you so much, mama, All right, Uh, Canelo
Canelo has been a superstar, uh for a long time,
just just just has it. But he turned pro at fifteen,
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you know, which is insane. Obviously, he has the looks,
he has the charm, and he's an unbelievable fighter who's
fought everybody. His style is so cool. He's like he's
become a pressure sort of power puncher. But he used
to be a slick boxer, kind of incorporating all the elements.
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But this guy's put on major fights now for fifteen
years and he's a global superstar. He's an icon, you know,
I don't I mean, we could run through all his moments. No, no,
you know, we don't.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
Have to do that. But is there what is the
is there? Is it legitimate to worry that he's obvious? Well, again,
tell me if I'm saying, yeah, please, it's fair to say.
I think clearly he's not in his prime at this point?
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Is it fair? And tell if you disagree, tell me
is it fair to say? The question is how far
down from his prime he is? And if you had
to answer that question, like where would you put him?
Speaker 2 (30:20):
You know, it's a little bit tricky for me. I
think about when he fought John Ryder, I think in
Mexico City. Now is the first time I ever watched,
and I said, man, you know, he looks a little
bit stuck in the mudd. He looks just a little
bit slower. But he keeps beating guys outside of BEV Hall.
(30:46):
And one thing I'll say, I do think sometimes he
will do just enough. Now, when he fought Charlow, Charlo
wasn't really engaging. If we're racking up the rounds, getting
out of their unscathed and home to our families. You know,
I'm talking like I'm in there, but like what you like,
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you can't really fault him for that. When he fought
Edgar Berlanga, he had a really sweet knockdown, caught him
with the left hook. It was like the shot came
out of nowhere fast. But then he just sort of
he gassed a little. He did his thing, you know
what I mean, one one, eighteen one ten. And still
(31:29):
when he fought what's the guy's name, how Mungbia himI
Mungbi Yeah again, Yeah, it's kind of like you felt
like he could get the stoppage. Mungia then lost to
an Italian dude with a job. I think the guy
is like a teacher or a soccer coach, like something
(31:52):
like a nine to five nick and it's kind of like, Okay,
that didn't age particularly well, but he got the job.
And his last outing against William Skull, he was struggling
to sort of cut the ring off. Listen, He's in
Saudi Arabia, and again he took no damage. He came
(32:13):
out of there with a win. But to answer your question,
he doesn't look like prime Canelo to me, but he's
very intelligent. He interviews. Every time I sleep on him.
I find everything he's saying is very smart and sharp
and calculated. And you know, I believe he will be
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prepared to the utmost for this fight. And I don't
think he's sleeping on Crawford. But yeah, I wonder after
sixty five professional fights, sixty seven, you know, you never know.
I mean, father Time is undefeated.
Speaker 1 (32:48):
Well, what's weird is Crawford's older. Crawford's like older but younger,
way exactly right, That's what I was gonna say it.
Crawford is older biologically, but seems to be the younger
as a fighter. And I think that's and again maybe
that's too simplistic. That's my view of it. I what
(33:13):
is the Are they splitting two hundred million?
Speaker 2 (33:17):
I would have to think, uh Saoul is getting a
little bit more, you know.
Speaker 1 (33:24):
Oh no, I don't mean even split. But I'm saying,
like the purse doesn't have this exactly right. I figured
you might like, is it is it realistic that Canelo
could be getting a hundred million and Bud could be
getting fifty million respectively minimum for this fight.
Speaker 2 (33:44):
I don't know, because we're in unprecedented times where this
guy Turkey Alaschik has come in with you know, uh
big paper from Saudi Arabia, and he genuinely loves the sport.
And you know what, I was hating on him a
little bit in the big and there's some things that
I still found a little bit unsettling. But end of
(34:06):
the day, he is putting on immaculate fights and shows
and there does seem to be some integrity there as
far as let's give the people what they want to see,
and you know, hopefully the judging and so on and
so forth is as legit as we can hope. For now,
we have Dana White in there promoting his first fight.
(34:28):
He's in there.
Speaker 1 (34:29):
I don't I don't.
Speaker 2 (34:32):
Love that I don't really love it either, And I
know I heard something today that he's that they're not
allowing these guys from the sanctioning bodies. You know, the WBA, WBO, IBC.
You always get chills when you when they start rattling
off the eighty belts, like he's the former unified WBA, like,
but now I'm here in white, is not allowing Mauricio
(34:56):
Suliman into the ring. Mauricio is a you know, a
Mexican running one of the sanctioning but I don't know,
it's all getting messy and strange, and I don't I
kind of like the hood element of boxing, but something
that when I say hood, I just mean, you know, yeah,
the streets are involved in this sport, but I want
it to be fair. But some polymolognology brought up a
(35:18):
great point that having multiple world titles gives more contenders
a shot. You know, if you only have one belt,
it's very very hard to ever contend for it, but
when you have multiple, then figure it out. For for
a unified undisputed champion. It kind of has some flavor
(35:39):
the four belt era. You know, I don't hate it,
but anyway, it's complicated, Nick, I don't know what they're making,
but it's a lot, a lot.
Speaker 1 (35:46):
It's it's a lot, lot and it is again I'm
gonna I'm throwing stuff at you.
Speaker 2 (35:55):
We didn't talk about.
Speaker 1 (35:56):
But I if I were to say, in the last
decade ish the biggest fights that you can count on
one hand are what I think, it's pretty definitive. This
is one of them. But it's like, like, what are
this is in line with? You know, give me a
(36:18):
couple other fights as far as the anticipation, not necessarily
perse but all of it that goes into it. This
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Speaker 2 (37:13):
I mean Mayweather Paco. So it's interesting from a purest standpoint, again,
not to be potential, That's what I mean. That's what
I'm asking, you know what I mean, Like, from a
purest standpoint, this is this right, from a purest standpoint,
this is up there with anything that I think any
boxing fan can recall in quite a while.
Speaker 1 (37:33):
So that's where I was asking.
Speaker 2 (37:34):
So like when we but even person wise, they're saying
this is there's Mayweather pack you Mayweather McGregor, and then
this as far as Gate and everything I've heard that
you know, you never know what's real and what's not.
But this is up there with Tyson, with Tyson Holyfield,
This is up there with uh uh Canelo Floyd. This
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is up there with Canelo Triple G one, which Canelo lost,
by the way, gifted a draw. Then this is up
there with Canelo Triple G two, which he lost again.
He he outperformed expectation. Did he back triple g up
for the first time in his career? Yes? Was he was?
He swaggy with it and his hands were low and
he's shaking his head. Nope and exchanging with one of
(38:18):
the scariest punchers in the history of boxing. Yes. Do
I feel he lost seven rounds? Absolutely, but you know
it is what it is. Did you know, Nick, you
just could tell you could feel the residual anger.
Speaker 1 (38:33):
Yeah, yeah, it does feel like there's at least a
touch of bitterness.
Speaker 2 (38:38):
Mayweather de la Joya when Mayweather came out not only
with fifty cent but the Mexican colored robe and the sombrero.
You know, yeah, this is up there with these moments.
And let's of course not forget some of the show's
packing out put on and I mean, you know, oo
(38:58):
sick fury like there have been some huge fights. This
is up there with any of them.
Speaker 1 (39:04):
Okay, I'm gonna ask if Canelo wins, it looks like
what If Crawford wins, it looks like what? And I
was going to have my third question, b and you
think it's going to look like what? But I think
my second and third question the answers are the same.
(39:27):
But if Canelo wins it, how does it play out?
Speaker 2 (39:31):
So I could see Canelo winning with sublime skills and
reminding everybody what time it is. And if you were
asleep on him, that was your mistake. And he's still
Canelo and this and that. Could he hurt and stop
Terrence Crawford? I guess, man, I guess it's possible. You know,
(39:54):
I don't see it, but he is the smaller man,
not in a literal sense. He actually has a longer reach,
and he's a little bit taller, but Canelo's beefier, he's thicker,
he has a bigger frame, and he's more naturally filled
out at this weight, and he's been in there with
some huge punchers and he seems very very hard to
(40:16):
hurt all time. Chin. I could see Canelo, I suppose
backing Bud down and just wailing on him with huge
shots and showing his craftiness and either just winning a
somewhat clear decision where budd Is is wounded in there
at some point and it just that's how it shakes out,
(40:37):
or I guess even getting the stoppage if Bud wins hold.
Speaker 1 (40:41):
On real quick. I want to stop you real quick,
if some and again, I want to make this incredibly clear.
It is very important to Nick that nobody think he's
trying to be a tout. As he made it clear. Oh,
it's the opposite, very important to me, right, it is
very important and to me that I want to respect
(41:05):
Nick's wishes that he is not a tout and he
is not trying to be, while also I want to
get his picks. So it's a bit of a yeah,
the audience understand. So I am the one presenting this.
If someone were going it sounds to me that if
someone's like, I'm fucking betting Canelo, would you like betting
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him to win by decision would.
Speaker 2 (41:28):
Be the way you would bet it, you know something
generally not even no, No, it's a great, No, it's
a great it's a great question. I mean you have
to shop around, you know, there are so many different
outs and bookies and legal accounts and ways to get down.
So number one, I would say, look for the best price.
If you think Canel is gonna win by decision, try
(41:49):
to shop around. Maybe you get uh, I don't know
what that is. That feels like it's probably like that
might even be a small dog because the knockout is
on the table as well, or maybe it's pick him ish, but.
Speaker 1 (42:02):
I'm looking it up. So our lines, yeah, I agree
with Nick. Our lines are provided by our friends at
hard Rock Bet. But the I think it's like plus
one twenty five.
Speaker 2 (42:16):
There you go. So what I was going to say.
And you know, I don't know if hard Rock bet
will appreciate this, but generally those props, they the bookies
and the geniuses they hire in the back office kind
of know how to present a problem that's hard to solve.
(42:37):
You can find value in props.
Speaker 1 (42:40):
You know.
Speaker 2 (42:40):
One of my biggest wins ever was a UFC fight
where I bet a guy would win by sub like
plus twenty eight hundred. It was glorious.
Speaker 1 (42:47):
You know.
Speaker 2 (42:48):
By the way, I'm on a huge UFC rip, but
it doesn't wow. You know. It's about time.
Speaker 1 (42:52):
It's about time, and on a hard rock bet. Here
here's just what it is. If you want to bet Canelo.
Canelo's straight to win is minus one sixty five. Canelo
by knockout, technical knockout ordqu is plus three point fifty.
Canelo by decision is plus one thirty. So that's Look,
(43:13):
there's a lot of as you have.
Speaker 2 (43:14):
There's a lot of fans out there who've watched all
his fights, and a lot of people watching this now.
You know, I get that boxing isn't your main thing,
but you know you you definitely have a lot of
boxing heads out there. So it's really hard to say
if you feel the size imposition will be so dramatic
(43:35):
for Bud to handle, you know, bet him to win
by knockout. I think Terrence is going to take his time,
find his openings and beat the brakes off him with
respect and love to anybody that steps in the ring.
And I think Bud is live for the stoppage, which
is something like ten to one. No one thinks it's possible.
I do. I think he could land something that Canelo
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does not see, shock him from the head down to
the toes, hit him with something crazy, and I really
do believe that that Terrence is live to stop Canelo.
But the most likely situation I see in my heart.
And obviously I'm a super fan of Terrance. Obviously I'm biased.
(44:17):
I love this guy. I can't see you know what
I mean. Like, I'm a huge fan, so it you
gotta be careful betting with your heart. And like I said,
that wasn't a joke. You know, combat sports is different
than team sports. Sure, maybe you bet the Chiefs every
game because you love the Chiefs.
Speaker 1 (44:35):
No, I actually don't. I just will never bet against them.
Speaker 2 (44:38):
You'll never bet against them. Cool for me with Bud, though, Like,
this wasn't a This isn't a joke. Like I at
some point my brain switched on to I'm just never
betting against this guy. No, it's not the most sophisticated theory,
but I've believed for a long time that he's the
best guy in the world. So you know, it all
(45:00):
leads to this moment. But it's very interesting and the
betting market, if I can, if I may the market
for this, and I wonder how often you think about
this in football or whatever it may be. But for
this particular fight, conventional wisdom says Canelo's too big. It
says that this is too tall of an order. In
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addition to which Canelo is an icon, he's a true
household name, and Terence Crawford is like a little bit
Niche still if you go up to people who don't
follow boxing, it's me. Yet he hasn't fully crossed over
and yet Canelo is less than a two to one favorite.
(45:45):
I don't quite understand it, and it just feels to
me like the streets might be talking or something. You know,
some big players might be doing some things. But I
will tell you this, my mark. I am not a trader.
I'm not a finance guy, and my market analysis historically
has been rather shaky. I've come with some theories and
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they don't always pan out. But I'm a little confused
by this line.
Speaker 1 (46:10):
Well, so this is you brought us to, and we're
going twice as long as I told you we would,
so I'll wrap this up quickly soon. But you brought
us to what was for good or for bad? What
is like an element of boxing, which is who's if
(46:31):
the fights goes to the cards and it's a true
coin flip, is there a which of the two fighters
is it better for let's just call it Vegas to
be the winner.
Speaker 2 (46:47):
Well, I'm not sure. I'm not sure, But one thing
I do know is there's an old adage you can't
beat Canelo in Vegas. You don't want to go to
the cards with Canelo. What about the there is Londi
Laura fight where he landed eight head shots and by
the way, I still think he won the fight because
Laura was so on his bike, but it certainly was
(47:10):
was nuanced. It's certain he landed eight shots to the
dome Nick eight and one on decision and one on
the points. What about C J. Ross who had Canelo
Mayweather one fourteen one fourteen Floyd won thirteen rounds of
a twelve round fight. Yeah, what happened there? So I
don't want to get too into what might be going
(47:32):
on with that situation, because you know, I mean, but
we can all speculate as to why it has seemed
very hard to beat Canelo on the cards, and there
have been many cards that have come in where it's
that sort of feeling in your stomach.
Speaker 1 (47:49):
But bud just has to maybe Budges has to win
in a stoppage.
Speaker 2 (47:53):
I'm feeling the changing of the tides. I'm feeling like integrity.
Might you know? And again we'll see, we don't only
they know how this is going to go.
Speaker 1 (48:00):
But yeah, right, do you can you before you go?
And I'm obviously I would never publicly maybe privately, but
I would never publicly ask you for bet amounts. But
can you tell us your journey of betting this fight,
because it's hard for me to believe it was one time,
(48:21):
one ticket, one trip to the window.
Speaker 2 (48:23):
No, honestly, I've only made one bet so far on
this fight. It it uh, it's on my mind. I
want it to take a real amount of money. Yeah,
it's an amount of money. But my theory on this
so I refresh the line for this one for two
weeks now every five to eight minutes. You know, I'm
(48:46):
prone to rumination. I have some neurotic tendencies that can
turn on me at times, but also as a gift
and a curse, you know, and I've accepted myself, but
one of them for something like this is constantly refreshing line.
My theory is that on Mexican Independence Weekend, one of
the biggest fights ever at Allegiant Stadium, a lot of
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Mexicans are going to come to town and start firing Canelo.
So my theory, which is not particularly advanced, is that
if you want to bet Bud, conventional wisdom might be
to wait. So I'm eyeing it. I'd love to get
Bud at something like two to one would just be delightful. However,
I think.
Speaker 1 (49:25):
It's right now. In the short term, it's moved a
little bit against you.
Speaker 2 (49:29):
If it's it will by against me, you mean kind
of with me, but against what I want to get you.
But if I'm seeing those tendencies, I'm gonna come in again,
probably pretty soon. And and like I said, you know,
I'm not a market expert, but I've done this enough
for a long time. I tend to have some decent
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ideas about where the lines are going to end up.
So that was my idea. We'll see, And I also
have some bud By stoppage a little better than ten
to one. That would be an evening what a needs mercy, That.
Speaker 1 (50:04):
Would be That would my His name is Nick Shulman.
He was a first ballot Poker Hall of Famer. He's
seven seven time World Series of Poker Bracelet winner. He
is universally regarded as America's favorite poker commentator. He one
(50:27):
day will be regarded as one of the best boxing
commentators out there, if I have anything say about it.
It is an honor and a privilege to uh call
him my friend. And when it's not football season, I
get to spend a lot of time with him in Vegas.
When it is football season. We text about other people's
(50:49):
losing football bets and our own gambling weekends. Nick, I
appreciate you. You have made me if I wasn't already
heavily invested in Terrence Bud Crawford winning. He's a Midwestern
kid like me. Uh, is there anything I would imagine?
I don't know. Is there anything that you don't you
want to promote, you want to tell the audience about
(51:11):
anyone you want to shout out before we go? Any
other final thoughts about the fight? Anything?
Speaker 2 (51:17):
Uh? No final thoughts. You know Naolia in a way
fights this weekend two put eyes on him. He's arguably
the best fighter in the world. And uh, you know,
it's a true honor to be on your platform. You know,
I really appreciate it. And I just want to say
when we were kicking it in Vegas and you were
getting all sorts of love left and right, it's touching
(51:37):
how real you keep it and how you know nice
you are to every single person that comes up to you,
DAPs you up. You're the same way off the air
and that that touched me. You know that's what it's
all about.
Speaker 1 (51:47):
Man.
Speaker 2 (51:47):
Thanks, thank you so much for.
Speaker 1 (51:49):
That tried to the one guy who.
Speaker 2 (51:51):
Said Lebron you know who did that stuff?
Speaker 1 (51:54):
That was like wanted to fight me?
Speaker 2 (51:56):
No, that was that was a lot then a I.
Speaker 1 (52:00):
Think it's fair to say a half drunk Scott sever
almost tackled it.
Speaker 2 (52:05):
Yeah, Scotty, you don't want to you don't want Scotty,
but you know, aside from that gentleman and he just
sort of dropped it almost like you know, like I'll
see you outside. It's just kind of like it was
like all right, but yeah, all right, man, have a
great trip.
Speaker 1 (52:23):
Thank you so much to absolutely give my best to
the family and appreciate you coming on. And we'll be
back on what's right on Monday or Tuesday, pending what
happened to football this week, and see you guys. Letter.
Speaker 2 (52:34):
We'll try later, Bro
Welcome in What's Right with Nick right as promised a
special bonus episode one of our now very few two
time guests, our Boxing and Gambling and Poker correspondent. But
in this episode we are going to focus exclusively on
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the boxing piece of it for and tell me if
I'm wrong, not just fight of the year, but arguably
the fight of the decade the last few years. At
the very least, it is Poker Hall of Famer and
for my money, the sharpest of the boxing sharps Nick Shulman, Nick,
(00:43):
great to see you, Fight of the year, fight of
the decade. How excited are you for Canelo Crawford?
Speaker 2 (00:48):
So excited? Great to be here. Every time football comes back,
it's like I sort of remember what a big sort
of deal you are, you know, so I really appreciate
this crazy because you're my boy. You know, I'm kind
of just poker in the fights. But whenever it come like,
oh yeah, you know, I'm very honored to be here,
and well I know how hard you work. So thank you, sir,
(01:10):
Thank you brother.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
We have been listen. If people didn't see your last appearance,
I'm gonna give a quick recap of it. So Nick
told us many Pakiao can win that fight. Yeah, throw
the shades on. Nick said, many Pakiao can win the fight,
and Nick got Packiau at plus four hundred correct four
to ten, but fo ten okay, no, no, I'm not changing
(01:33):
I'm not going to short change you ten cents. He
went off at two to one plus one ninety plus
two hundred something. You got a great number. You were
at the fight with six seats, and I don't think
in the moment realized the gravity of how bad you
got scammed in that fight.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
I realized he was minus eight hundred on Penny Live
after that the tenth rounds. Yeah, but so.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
Any somehow that fight ended up being a majority draw,
which is just as painful as it gets. And but
you were definitively on the right side of it. And now,
to be fair also, and here's the thing, I love boxing,
but I love boxing the way some of the professional
(02:21):
poker world loves, you know, like the EPL where they
watch it and they bet it. But if you asked
him to take like a hundred question tests, they wouldn't
do great on it. And so I can't speak with
real authority, which is why I bring you on. But
you really liked some an undercard, and so I was like, listen,
(02:45):
this was the one. I forget who it was, but
he wasn't want to. I don't want you to tell
me because it'll spoil the story. And so I bet it.
I was like, yeah, Nick likes it. I bet it.
I and I was rolling with you. And then we
turned the fight on and I I see the guy
that I bet against is six eight one fifty. I
(03:08):
text you and I'm like, yo, we got like a
foot and a half height difference, and you just sext
me back. They don't call him the Towering Inferno for
nothing that our guys just couldn't lay in the shot.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
But well, yeah, go ahead, no no, I mean no, please.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
So but during that preview of the Pacquia fight, we
talked to little Canelo Crawford. You gave away Ivy's gambling position.
We talked about this, the magnitude of this fight, and
we said we were gonna do this again. So I
am now, and I'm also gonna say one more thing
and then we're really I'm gonna see most of the
(03:49):
floor to you because I do this. And by the way,
people are watching as Nick drink some wine, I have
one rule for the podcast. If I am doing doing
broadcasting after six pm Eastern, I'm drinking during it. This
is we are taping this on a Wednesday night. My
friend will yeah, thank you. It will post sometime. I
(04:13):
think either Thursday or Friday. Set you up for the fight.
But I'm doing this for three reasons. One is, it's
the fight of the year and it needs to be covered.
Another is I love the idea of boxing becoming super
mainstream again. And and I want to help however I can,
(04:34):
because at its core, there is something just human about
wanting to watch two grown men stand in the center
of a ring and see who wins comes out and Third,
and this is the part that Nick may or may
not appreciate. I happen to truly believe that Nick Shulman's
(04:58):
boxing knowledge t plus his broadcasting chops would make help
make boxing more mainstream if he was a part of
some boxing broadcasts. So this is my entry point to
pushing him in that direction. So I am going to
essentially interview you as if I know nothing about the fight,
(05:20):
even though I know at least a little bit about
the fight. So the story going in for the undefeated
Terrence Crawford against the legend Canelo Alvarez. Is that he
is jumping what from one fifty four to one sixty eight?
How set the table for how he even got to
one fifty four? He being Crawford and is that the
(05:42):
story of the fight.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
That's I mean, aside from them both being all time greats,
that's absolutely the main focal point here. A weight jump
of this magnitude is quite rare. You've seen guys move
up the ranks. You've seen pac Yao beat bigger guys.
Roy Jones Junior, nobody thought he'd ever be fighting at
(06:05):
light heavyweight heavyweight. He was up there doing crazy things.
Sugar Ray Leonard beating Marvin Hagler is the one that
everybody really talks about. Nobody gave Ray Leonard a chance
in that fight, and he went in there and boxed.
You know, he did his thing. But yeah, to move
(06:25):
up two way classes like this is somewhat unprecedented in
the modern era.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
Why is he doing it?
Speaker 2 (06:33):
Well, it's interesting. You know when they first announced the fight,
I will admit I was thinking, Wow, they made Terrence
an offer that he can't refuse to lock up generational
wealth for his family. But This is wild that the
number one pound four pound guy has to go up
(06:55):
multiple divisions to fight, you know, the one of the
best guys at that weight. Perhaps Canelo's slipping a little bit,
but that was just my knee jerk. And even Terrence
said himself in an interview that he feels his ceiling
is one fifty four. He said that fairly recently, So
(07:17):
I'm like, I gotta take him at his word. But
now that things have come to a head and the
pre fight has happened and everything, I think he believes
he will win. I think his team believes he'll win,
and I believe he'll win.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
So the and we'll listen. The market is not If
the I don't listen, you get a sharper price, probably
than most would. And you've been looking at this for months.
But as we sit here today, it's right around minus
one fifty five, minus one thirty five or plus one
thirty five, Like is that where I don't know what
(07:56):
I was seeing?
Speaker 2 (07:57):
More like one eighty one sixty.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
All right, So then I listen. So he I mean,
with Canelo being the favorite, the point I sew Canello
is the favorite, but he is not a overwhelming favorite.
He's not even that substantial of a favorite for our
if if it is minus if it is minus one eighty, uh,
(08:20):
just to give context for that, for our you know,
football fans out there, that is the same as the
Packers money line when they're a three point favorite against
the Commanders for Thursday Night football, like minus one eighty is.
Though those upsets happen all the time, so the so
is it fair to say this? The boxing world believes
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Terrence Crawford's the better fighter at this point than Canelo Alvarez,
But because of the weight change, that is what's tilting
the scale. Not that people think Canelo and this is unfair,
but is purely a better fighter.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
You know, it's so interesting, Nick, It's like every take
you hear, for the most part, Canelo's too big, he's
too strong. If you talk to the public, that's what
everybody thinks. And there's a few takes from trainers to
that really kind of bothered me. Joel Diaz and Abel
(09:21):
Sanchez come to mind. They're just saying, like Crawford's got
no shot. Love him, but you know he can't do
anything to Canelo. I'll take you back to the last
time I bet against Crawford. It was twenty sixteen. I
was playing the World Series of Poker and I was
playing with Ivy. I was just playing cash. But uh,
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and once again just qualifier. I'm not a tout. You know,
I'm gonna black out and go nuts and give all
my picks and plays. But just so you guys know,
you know, protect yourself at all times in the betting.
But Ivy said, you know you like the fights, right Nick,
you want to go to night see Budd? I said absolutely,
So he slid me a ticket and he was fighting
Victor post All and he was something like minus six hundred.
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I got somewhere around six to one on post All. Rangy,
good Japs, smart, Eastern European. I'm always high up on
the Eastern Europeans in general because they tend to be
quite humble, pragmatic. You know, maybe a little bit of
that's from poker, but also in boxing, they're a little
bit slept on. In America. Sometimes this is a popularity contest.
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These guys can really fight.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
I don't want to interrupt. The story is who's the
favorite in this?
Speaker 2 (10:35):
Going back to twenty sixteen, Crawford was a six to
one favorite.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
Okay, so Crawford was minus six hundred. YEA bet the dog,
you bet, I've got the dog, got it, go ahead,
so keep going.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
I pulled up to the arena, and, you know, much
to my pleasure, I realized I had the best seat
in the house and I was alone for four rounds
as Crawford was getting his shit off switching stances. I
knew he was great, but this was like something really
special and the camaraderie with his team and everything. Ivy
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pulled up middle of the fourth round and spent the
entire fight on his phone betting basketball, you know, just
eight seven and a half, not eight right, texting, you know.
Every once in a while he'd like pop up and
come with like a yes sir, you know, but then
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right back to work. So finally in the ninth round,
I said, by the way, Phil, uh, do you have
a sat Did you bet this fight? He said, oh,
this fight? Uh, I have Crawford, Nick, But you never know,
it's boxing. Anything can happen. He got this smug kind
of smile, you know in a Bronx taill when when
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when mush bet the horse and Palmentary rips up the tick,
That's what it felt like. I was like, okay, right,
And a lot of people don't know this, but ever
since then, I've I've actually been business partners with Bud.
And the business plan, yeah, it's it's crazy. And the
business plan it's a really simple one. He goes out
there and fights and I bet on him every single
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fucking time. And guess what, nick business has been booming.
Why would I switch up on my man? Now you
know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (12:22):
So this is so, this is what I want and listen,
die hard boxing fans.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
And by the way, sorry to cut you off, but
after post all he rattled off eleven straight stoppages. They
call his resume to question. But he beat Jeff Horn,
who was undefeated at the time, who beat Pacyao. He
beat David Benavitez, his brother in a in a fight
where he didn't really engage, and then he found just
a gorgeous stoppage. He beat a mere Khan, he beat
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kel Brooke. We'll get into it, but but he beat
the mean machine kaval Yawskis, who's great. Please just sorry, go.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
On, no, no, no, so you got you got exactly
where I was going. And I promise for Canelo fans,
we're gonna get there. But I want what really perked
my ears up about this is when we were talking
about this a month ago and you said, Ivy, and
now I'm gonna sidebar it real quick. I have. This
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is a weird thing about the way I'm wired because
of the industry that I'm in and the people I've
been around, because of the industry that I'm in versus
poker and the poker world, I have been lucky enough
to I mean, I guess I can say this because
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it was public. It was I didn't talk about it,
but it was all over the internet. A few months ago,
I'm in a Grizzlies game and at the Grizzlies Lakers
and at the end of the game, Lebron James comes
over hugs My wife tells her it's great to see her.
DAPs me up and like and I was, as you know,
as Leonardo DiCaprio would say in The Departed, My hand
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didn't shake like that felt. It didn't feel normal, but
like it was. It wasn't like a as big of
a thing as I think people would assume. Here Friday night,
I'm going to Kansas City to do our first things,
first show, but then after the show, Patrick Mahomes Steakhouse.
This is grand opening, and I'll probably get to spend
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some time with Patrick, who I've become I consider a friend.
That's not like I'm I'm not saying that for any
reason other than like to set the table for what
I'm about to say. With that said, about three months ago,
I was in Vegas at the World Series with Jared
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Blesnik and Blez is like, hey, you know what I
was with Blez. But it wasn't Bleaz who did this.
It was Nacho Barbero, legendary Nacho. I see him as
for poor people. And Nacho says to me, have you
ever met Ivy? And I'm like, no, I actually it,
And Nacho says he's like, oh, you have to meet Ivy.
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And in that moment, my heart raced like I was
a child, like my nerves of the situation. It was
so unlike anything that's happened to me as an adult,
because if you don't run in those circles and you're
a poker fan or gambling fan, he is Lebron Mahomes
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whatever you want, like this legendary, large in life figure.
Which is why I say all that to say this
when you said that Ivy thinks Bud might be the
best ever pound for pound, the best ever, I was like,
holy shit, that's not gonna be a comment that's thrown
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around loosely. So my question is I know he's won
of all these fights. What has happened over the last
decade that is there a moment? Is there a sequence
of moments? What is the evidence or the reasoning someone
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Speaker 2 (17:44):
That's a great question, and you know that was indeed
a profound sentiment from IV. My favorite Bud moments in
no particular order, Number one, the Kelbrook stoppage. Now you
can say what you want about where Brooke was at
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his career. It was at in his career. But and
I've ran this back hundreds of times, and I'm not
saying that to sound deep. I just he landed the
shortest little right hand. They're both on the inside, kind
of like right on top of each other, and they
punch at the same time. As the legendary Connor McGregor
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once said, timing beats speed, and precision beats power. But
it shocked Brook to where he kind of didn't know
where he was. And if you go watch it for
people that haven't seen it, it's the knockdown before the
stoppage for the official stoppage. That's one. Another one was
Jose Benavitez Junior comes to town, comes to Omaha, Nebraska
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or abut Is from starts going to the barbershop, starts talking,
starts talking crazy, right, but then he gets out there
and fights really not to win, big respect to Jose
and the whole family, but he's kind of on the
back foot. It's hard to look great against these guys
who don't really engage. He's just kind of jabbing, moving,
shaking his head. Nope, And somehow, some way Bud found
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him in the twelfth round and put him out with
a crazy upper cut sequence. Wild stuff. And again, do
I think Canelo would have beaten kel Brook and Jose
Benavitez Junior? Yes, I do, So you know we're not
overlooking the task at hand. Another one was the Sean
Porter stoppage. And there's a clip that any boxing fan knows,
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but it's going into the eleventh round. I believe maybe
the tenth. I believe the eleventh Bud's corner says, we
think he might be up on the cards. He wasn't,
by the way Porter that is, and Bud. Bud looked
really surprised, and he said he's up, and they said,
you know, we think he might be up, and he
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said it again. He kind of said how and he
looked at another member of his corner and he said
he's up, and they said, Bud, it's time to go.
Got him right out next round and it was an
amazing sequence. He sort of faked a left upper cut
then let it go. It was like really beautiful boxing,
sublime skills. There was one knockdown. Reporter was genuinely, you know,
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shocked on the canvas. He looked at his corner, then
he got up. Then there was another knockdown where they
had a wild exchange in the center of the ring.
That's where Porter started punching the canvas. It was a
very kind of poignant moment. I guess you know, he
fought his ass off. He's a legend, but it was
just kind of like and his dad threw the toweling
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Kenny Porter in the corner. Did David Avenisian knockout in
the center of the ring, a fairly unsung fighter, but again,
this is an incredible display of power from in Cloak.
They were off the clinch and he put him out
close cold in the middle of the ring. This is
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when he went to another promotion BK Prime or whatever.
It was a little bit odd, but that one was shocking.
And of course Nick the aerrol Spence win in its entirety,
but especially the little right uppercut he landed off the
ropes in the seventh or eighth round. That's a shot
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where when you watch it you don't know what happened.
Spence just went down. You have to run it back
to see how crisp the timing was. This guy's throwing shots.
When you think about throwing something, it's not the timing
is impeccable, all right, I mean that was This is crazy.
Shit going on with this guy is when all time
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great and people are so sleep like the bud disrespect
has gotten wild. And listen, I will eat all these
words if Canelo pieces them up and it's just another
day at the office. But it's not gonna be. He
might not be able to win or overcome the weight.
But these guys that are acting like this isn't a
generational talent who's already unified two divisions and jumping up
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two more to go for a third. What are we
doing here? Okay, so a few things.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
Here that That's why I that Nick Shulman needs to
be on these broadcasts.
Speaker 2 (22:28):
Any fight fan. There's millions of fight fans out there
who can rattle off all those highlights too. But I
love you, brother, thank you. I'm not trying to.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
I know I make you uncomfortable, But the point I'm
making is, you're right. A lot of people, there's a
lot of fucking people, bro, who know all the stats.
I know, but I I'm I am, I am aware,
but they can't deliver it the way I can. That
was That was awesome. Here's my question before we go
to the Canelo's side of things. It's actually a two
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part of the first one. Is this because I'm gonna
show my own ignorant. Is it fair to say Madromov
is not like a great fighter?
Speaker 2 (23:05):
No, No, that's unfair. Actually, okay, he is a great fighter,
and I feel really sorry for whoever has to fight
that kid off back to back losses to Crawford and
Virgil Ortiz. That's the same Madromov who was a heralded
amateur who Dimitri Beeval brought into camp to prepare for Canelo.
And let me tell you something, nobody's gonna look good
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versus that guy. You might get the job done, but
no one's gonna do that guy. Like so people love
talking about that performance, like bud By the way bud
pieced him up and clearly won and had to wait
for Turkey Ala Sheik getting into the California Hall of Fame,
eight different concerts, Strobe lights, a smoke show. It was
a crazy delayed event. No problem. The game is the game.
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But let's not acct like he went out there and
looked bad. I really that's not.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
Even that's not even why I was asking. And it's
kind of why I was asking, But here was the point.
So Madramov is a great fighter. He you know, back
to back, tough, elite. He's very good. Very is reserved
for Okay. Sure, but he's he's not a he's not
a walkover. That's a real fight. But here is okay.
Regardless of that, I'm just looking at timeline since the
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Spence fight, that's July of twenty three, Bud has fought
Madromov and now he fights Canelo in that same time frame,
I mean, Canelo has fought fought four has had four fights. Now.
I guess there's two ways to look at that. One
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is Bud should be fresh and healthy and clean. But
how much is it the fact that Canelo is just
in the mix so much more, including fighting one of
the Charlow brothers like you know, and fighting all of
these unanimous decisions it's going the distance, Like, how much
does that play into what what we could see Saturday night.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
It's a great point. It's very pertinent. Inactivity is an issue.
But for a guy like this who not only lives
in the gym, everybody that's been around this guy attests
to that that's his happy place, that's where he relaxes
in the gym. So this is a year round guy,
much like a Mayweather who you know, unretired. And we
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saw what he did to Juan Manuel Marquez where people
were thinking, we don't know. I think it was a
fifteen month layoff, and you know, his boxing skills were
just on full display. And also another thing about Bud,
this guy's team is to me really special, starting with Bowmack,
Brian McIntyre. He just seems so humble and so don't
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make it about me. And he said something that I
thought was really beautiful. Terrence actually said this in an
interview that when you know, he strolled into the gym
as a kid and has never switched up same team.
But as he was rising through the ranks, he went
somewhere I don't remember where, but there there were other
trainers there. I don't know if it was Olympic Trials
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or Golden Glove. I don't know what it was, but
he said, Bomack said to him, listen, any exercises you
pick up over there, any tactics, any new wrinkles to
your game, you know, bring him back to the gym.
Teach him to me because I'm still learning on the job,
and he says it to this day. They're always trying
to add little things to their game. Isau Dieguez another
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guy in his corner, wonderful story. Came from Guatemala, tried
to make a better life for himself, tried to make
it as a pro, struggle to get fights, had a
little losing streak. He was in Cali, went to Omaha,
met Brian McIntyre, Bomack, They struggled. It was, you know,
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the grind was real. And then in walked fourteen year
old Bud Crawford. And there's another guy in his team,
Red Spikes. And again you can see interviews with all
these guys. They're never there's no ego there. These are
students of the game. So inactivity is an issue for
me more for the guys who they're in camp, they
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fight and then they're partying, or then they're on vacation.
A lot of boxers, because it's a vicious sport in
life happens, you know, like it's we're human beings, end
of the day. But this guy has wanted to be
a world champion since he was a kid, and he's
been unwavering in this pursuit. That's real you know that
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that's real life and he's coming. So I don't think
it matters that much here, but it's it is an issue.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
All right, Let's talk Canelo before we get to how
the fight. I mean, it's obvious you know what side
you're going, but how the fight you see it playing out? Specifically,
because Canelo's a legend in his own right and Canelo
is the guy who is going to be I think
it's fair to say more comfortable, not because Bud's not
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used to spotlight, but because Canelo is not the one
having to change weight glasses. What again, I'm gonna go,
as I was saying before, die hard boxing fans are
gonna love this either way. So for the casual fans,
how did Canelo Alvarez become Canelo Alvarez? Like? Why is
he a legend?
Speaker 2 (28:28):
So Canelo, Hi, sweetheart, Hi baby.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
She can definitely stop by. Both of my daughters have
co hosts.
Speaker 2 (28:36):
You want to she wants to goodness, you want to
come say high for one second? Baby on anything?
Speaker 1 (28:42):
Okay, well well then don't.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
Maybe I'm on CV right now. You know what I mean.
I love you so much, mama, All right, Uh, Canelo
Canelo has been a superstar, uh for a long time,
just just just has it. But he turned pro at fifteen,
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you know, which is insane. Obviously, he has the looks,
he has the charm, and he's an unbelievable fighter who's
fought everybody. His style is so cool. He's like he's
become a pressure sort of power puncher. But he used
to be a slick boxer, kind of incorporating all the elements.
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But this guy's put on major fights now for fifteen
years and he's a global superstar. He's an icon, you know,
I don't I mean, we could run through all his moments. No, no,
you know, we don't.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
Have to do that. But is there what is the
is there? Is it legitimate to worry that he's obvious? Well, again,
tell me if I'm saying, yeah, please, it's fair to say.
I think clearly he's not in his prime at this point?
(30:04):
Is it fair? And tell if you disagree, tell me
is it fair to say? The question is how far
down from his prime he is? And if you had
to answer that question, like where would you put him?
Speaker 2 (30:20):
You know, it's a little bit tricky for me. I
think about when he fought John Ryder, I think in
Mexico City. Now is the first time I ever watched,
and I said, man, you know, he looks a little
bit stuck in the mudd. He looks just a little
bit slower. But he keeps beating guys outside of BEV Hall.
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And one thing I'll say, I do think sometimes he
will do just enough. Now, when he fought Charlow, Charlo
wasn't really engaging. If we're racking up the rounds, getting
out of their unscathed and home to our families. You know,
I'm talking like I'm in there, but like what you like,
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you can't really fault him for that. When he fought
Edgar Berlanga, he had a really sweet knockdown, caught him
with the left hook. It was like the shot came
out of nowhere fast. But then he just sort of
he gassed a little. He did his thing, you know
what I mean, one one, eighteen one ten. And still
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when he fought what's the guy's name, how Mungbia himI
Mungbi Yeah again, Yeah, it's kind of like you felt
like he could get the stoppage. Mungia then lost to
an Italian dude with a job. I think the guy
is like a teacher or a soccer coach, like something
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like a nine to five nick and it's kind of like, Okay,
that didn't age particularly well, but he got the job.
And his last outing against William Skull, he was struggling
to sort of cut the ring off. Listen, He's in
Saudi Arabia, and again he took no damage. He came
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out of there with a win. But to answer your question,
he doesn't look like prime Canelo to me, but he's
very intelligent. He interviews. Every time I sleep on him.
I find everything he's saying is very smart and sharp
and calculated. And you know, I believe he will be
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prepared to the utmost for this fight. And I don't
think he's sleeping on Crawford. But yeah, I wonder after
sixty five professional fights, sixty seven, you know, you never know.
I mean, father Time is undefeated.
Speaker 1 (32:48):
Well, what's weird is Crawford's older. Crawford's like older but younger,
way exactly right, That's what I was gonna say it.
Crawford is older biologically, but seems to be the younger
as a fighter. And I think that's and again maybe
that's too simplistic. That's my view of it. I what
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is the Are they splitting two hundred million?
Speaker 2 (33:17):
I would have to think, uh Saoul is getting a
little bit more, you know.
Speaker 1 (33:24):
Oh no, I don't mean even split. But I'm saying,
like the purse doesn't have this exactly right. I figured
you might like, is it is it realistic that Canelo
could be getting a hundred million and Bud could be
getting fifty million respectively minimum for this fight.
Speaker 2 (33:44):
I don't know, because we're in unprecedented times where this
guy Turkey Alaschik has come in with you know, uh
big paper from Saudi Arabia, and he genuinely loves the sport.
And you know what, I was hating on him a
little bit in the big and there's some things that
I still found a little bit unsettling. But end of
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the day, he is putting on immaculate fights and shows
and there does seem to be some integrity there as
far as let's give the people what they want to see,
and you know, hopefully the judging and so on and
so forth is as legit as we can hope. For now,
we have Dana White in there promoting his first fight.
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He's in there.
Speaker 1 (34:29):
I don't I don't.
Speaker 2 (34:32):
Love that I don't really love it either, And I
know I heard something today that he's that they're not
allowing these guys from the sanctioning bodies. You know, the WBA, WBO, IBC.
You always get chills when you when they start rattling
off the eighty belts, like he's the former unified WBA, like,
but now I'm here in white, is not allowing Mauricio
(34:56):
Suliman into the ring. Mauricio is a you know, a
Mexican running one of the sanctioning but I don't know,
it's all getting messy and strange, and I don't I
kind of like the hood element of boxing, but something
that when I say hood, I just mean, you know, yeah,
the streets are involved in this sport, but I want
it to be fair. But some polymolognology brought up a
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great point that having multiple world titles gives more contenders
a shot. You know, if you only have one belt,
it's very very hard to ever contend for it, but
when you have multiple, then figure it out. For for
a unified undisputed champion. It kind of has some flavor
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the four belt era. You know, I don't hate it,
but anyway, it's complicated, Nick, I don't know what they're making,
but it's a lot, a lot.
Speaker 1 (35:46):
It's it's a lot, lot and it is again I'm
gonna I'm throwing stuff at you.
Speaker 2 (35:55):
We didn't talk about.
Speaker 1 (35:56):
But I if I were to say, in the last
decade ish the biggest fights that you can count on
one hand are what I think, it's pretty definitive. This
is one of them. But it's like, like, what are
this is in line with? You know, give me a
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couple other fights as far as the anticipation, not necessarily
perse but all of it that goes into it. This
is equivalent or bigger or similar to gimme a couple
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Speaker 2 (37:13):
I mean Mayweather Paco. So it's interesting from a purest standpoint, again,
not to be potential, That's what I mean. That's what
I'm asking, you know what I mean, Like, from a
purest standpoint, this is this right, from a purest standpoint,
this is up there with anything that I think any
boxing fan can recall in quite a while.
Speaker 1 (37:33):
So that's where I was asking.
Speaker 2 (37:34):
So like when we but even person wise, they're saying
this is there's Mayweather pack you Mayweather McGregor, and then
this as far as Gate and everything I've heard that
you know, you never know what's real and what's not.
But this is up there with Tyson, with Tyson Holyfield,
This is up there with uh uh Canelo Floyd. This
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is up there with Canelo Triple G one, which Canelo lost,
by the way, gifted a draw. Then this is up
there with Canelo Triple G two, which he lost again.
He he outperformed expectation. Did he back triple g up
for the first time in his career? Yes? Was he was?
He swaggy with it and his hands were low and
he's shaking his head. Nope and exchanging with one of
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the scariest punchers in the history of boxing. Yes. Do
I feel he lost seven rounds? Absolutely, but you know
it is what it is. Did you know, Nick, you
just could tell you could feel the residual anger.
Speaker 1 (38:33):
Yeah, yeah, it does feel like there's at least a
touch of bitterness.
Speaker 2 (38:38):
Mayweather de la Joya when Mayweather came out not only
with fifty cent but the Mexican colored robe and the sombrero.
You know, yeah, this is up there with these moments.
And let's of course not forget some of the show's
packing out put on and I mean, you know, oo
(38:58):
sick fury like there have been some huge fights. This
is up there with any of them.
Speaker 1 (39:04):
Okay, I'm gonna ask if Canelo wins, it looks like
what If Crawford wins, it looks like what? And I
was going to have my third question, b and you
think it's going to look like what? But I think
my second and third question the answers are the same.
(39:27):
But if Canelo wins it, how does it play out?
Speaker 2 (39:31):
So I could see Canelo winning with sublime skills and
reminding everybody what time it is. And if you were
asleep on him, that was your mistake. And he's still
Canelo and this and that. Could he hurt and stop
Terrence Crawford? I guess, man, I guess it's possible. You know,
(39:54):
I don't see it, but he is the smaller man,
not in a literal sense. He actually has a longer reach,
and he's a little bit taller, but Canelo's beefier, he's thicker,
he has a bigger frame, and he's more naturally filled
out at this weight, and he's been in there with
some huge punchers and he seems very very hard to
(40:16):
hurt all time. Chin. I could see Canelo, I suppose
backing Bud down and just wailing on him with huge
shots and showing his craftiness and either just winning a
somewhat clear decision where budd Is is wounded in there
at some point and it just that's how it shakes out,
(40:37):
or I guess even getting the stoppage if Bud wins hold.
Speaker 1 (40:41):
On real quick. I want to stop you real quick,
if some and again, I want to make this incredibly clear.
It is very important to Nick that nobody think he's
trying to be a tout. As he made it clear. Oh,
it's the opposite, very important to me, right, it is
very important and to me that I want to respect
(41:05):
Nick's wishes that he is not a tout and he
is not trying to be, while also I want to
get his picks. So it's a bit of a yeah,
the audience understand. So I am the one presenting this.
If someone were going it sounds to me that if
someone's like, I'm fucking betting Canelo, would you like betting
(41:25):
him to win by decision would.
Speaker 2 (41:28):
Be the way you would bet it, you know something
generally not even no, No, it's a great, No, it's
a great it's a great question. I mean you have
to shop around, you know, there are so many different
outs and bookies and legal accounts and ways to get down.
So number one, I would say, look for the best price.
If you think Canel is gonna win by decision, try
(41:49):
to shop around. Maybe you get uh, I don't know
what that is. That feels like it's probably like that
might even be a small dog because the knockout is
on the table as well, or maybe it's pick him ish, but.
Speaker 1 (42:02):
I'm looking it up. So our lines, yeah, I agree
with Nick. Our lines are provided by our friends at
hard Rock Bet. But the I think it's like plus
one twenty five.
Speaker 2 (42:16):
There you go. So what I was going to say.
And you know, I don't know if hard Rock bet
will appreciate this, but generally those props, they the bookies
and the geniuses they hire in the back office kind
of know how to present a problem that's hard to solve.
(42:37):
You can find value in props.
Speaker 1 (42:40):
You know.
Speaker 2 (42:40):
One of my biggest wins ever was a UFC fight
where I bet a guy would win by sub like
plus twenty eight hundred. It was glorious.
Speaker 1 (42:47):
You know.
Speaker 2 (42:48):
By the way, I'm on a huge UFC rip, but
it doesn't wow. You know. It's about time.
Speaker 1 (42:52):
It's about time, and on a hard rock bet. Here
here's just what it is. If you want to bet Canelo.
Canelo's straight to win is minus one sixty five. Canelo
by knockout, technical knockout ordqu is plus three point fifty.
Canelo by decision is plus one thirty. So that's Look,
(43:13):
there's a lot of as you have.
Speaker 2 (43:14):
There's a lot of fans out there who've watched all
his fights, and a lot of people watching this now.
You know, I get that boxing isn't your main thing,
but you know you you definitely have a lot of
boxing heads out there. So it's really hard to say
if you feel the size imposition will be so dramatic
(43:35):
for Bud to handle, you know, bet him to win
by knockout. I think Terrence is going to take his time,
find his openings and beat the brakes off him with
respect and love to anybody that steps in the ring.
And I think Bud is live for the stoppage, which
is something like ten to one. No one thinks it's possible.
I do. I think he could land something that Canelo
(43:57):
does not see, shock him from the head down to
the toes, hit him with something crazy, and I really
do believe that that Terrence is live to stop Canelo.
But the most likely situation I see in my heart.
And obviously I'm a super fan of Terrance. Obviously I'm biased.
(44:17):
I love this guy. I can't see you know what
I mean. Like, I'm a huge fan, so it you
gotta be careful betting with your heart. And like I said,
that wasn't a joke. You know, combat sports is different
than team sports. Sure, maybe you bet the Chiefs every
game because you love the Chiefs.
Speaker 1 (44:35):
No, I actually don't. I just will never bet against them.
Speaker 2 (44:38):
You'll never bet against them. Cool for me with Bud, though, Like,
this wasn't a This isn't a joke. Like I at
some point my brain switched on to I'm just never
betting against this guy. No, it's not the most sophisticated theory,
but I've believed for a long time that he's the
best guy in the world. So you know, it all
(45:00):
leads to this moment. But it's very interesting and the
betting market, if I can, if I may the market
for this, and I wonder how often you think about
this in football or whatever it may be. But for
this particular fight, conventional wisdom says Canelo's too big. It
says that this is too tall of an order. In
(45:23):
addition to which Canelo is an icon, he's a true
household name, and Terence Crawford is like a little bit
Niche still if you go up to people who don't
follow boxing, it's me. Yet he hasn't fully crossed over
and yet Canelo is less than a two to one favorite.
(45:45):
I don't quite understand it, and it just feels to
me like the streets might be talking or something. You know,
some big players might be doing some things. But I
will tell you this, my mark. I am not a trader.
I'm not a finance guy, and my market analysis historically
has been rather shaky. I've come with some theories and
(46:06):
they don't always pan out. But I'm a little confused
by this line.
Speaker 1 (46:10):
Well, so this is you brought us to, and we're
going twice as long as I told you we would,
so I'll wrap this up quickly soon. But you brought
us to what was for good or for bad? What
is like an element of boxing, which is who's if
(46:31):
the fights goes to the cards and it's a true
coin flip, is there a which of the two fighters
is it better for let's just call it Vegas to
be the winner.
Speaker 2 (46:47):
Well, I'm not sure. I'm not sure, But one thing
I do know is there's an old adage you can't
beat Canelo in Vegas. You don't want to go to
the cards with Canelo. What about the there is Londi
Laura fight where he landed eight head shots and by
the way, I still think he won the fight because
Laura was so on his bike, but it certainly was
(47:10):
was nuanced. It's certain he landed eight shots to the
dome Nick eight and one on decision and one on
the points. What about C J. Ross who had Canelo
Mayweather one fourteen one fourteen Floyd won thirteen rounds of
a twelve round fight. Yeah, what happened there? So I
don't want to get too into what might be going
(47:32):
on with that situation, because you know, I mean, but
we can all speculate as to why it has seemed
very hard to beat Canelo on the cards, and there
have been many cards that have come in where it's
that sort of feeling in your stomach.
Speaker 1 (47:49):
But bud just has to maybe Budges has to win
in a stoppage.
Speaker 2 (47:53):
I'm feeling the changing of the tides. I'm feeling like integrity.
Might you know? And again we'll see, we don't only
they know how this is going to go.
Speaker 1 (48:00):
But yeah, right, do you can you before you go?
And I'm obviously I would never publicly maybe privately, but
I would never publicly ask you for bet amounts. But
can you tell us your journey of betting this fight,
because it's hard for me to believe it was one time,
(48:21):
one ticket, one trip to the window.
Speaker 2 (48:23):
No, honestly, I've only made one bet so far on
this fight. It it uh, it's on my mind. I
want it to take a real amount of money. Yeah,
it's an amount of money. But my theory on this
so I refresh the line for this one for two
weeks now every five to eight minutes. You know, I'm
(48:46):
prone to rumination. I have some neurotic tendencies that can
turn on me at times, but also as a gift
and a curse, you know, and I've accepted myself, but
one of them for something like this is constantly refreshing line.
My theory is that on Mexican Independence Weekend, one of
the biggest fights ever at Allegiant Stadium, a lot of
(49:07):
Mexicans are going to come to town and start firing Canelo.
So my theory, which is not particularly advanced, is that
if you want to bet Bud, conventional wisdom might be
to wait. So I'm eyeing it. I'd love to get
Bud at something like two to one would just be delightful. However,
I think.
Speaker 1 (49:25):
It's right now. In the short term, it's moved a
little bit against you.
Speaker 2 (49:29):
If it's it will by against me, you mean kind
of with me, but against what I want to get you.
But if I'm seeing those tendencies, I'm gonna come in again,
probably pretty soon. And and like I said, you know,
I'm not a market expert, but I've done this enough
for a long time. I tend to have some decent
(49:50):
ideas about where the lines are going to end up.
So that was my idea. We'll see, And I also
have some bud By stoppage a little better than ten
to one. That would be an evening what a needs mercy, That.
Speaker 1 (50:04):
Would be That would my His name is Nick Shulman.
He was a first ballot Poker Hall of Famer. He's
seven seven time World Series of Poker Bracelet winner. He
is universally regarded as America's favorite poker commentator. He one
(50:27):
day will be regarded as one of the best boxing
commentators out there, if I have anything say about it.
It is an honor and a privilege to uh call
him my friend. And when it's not football season, I
get to spend a lot of time with him in Vegas.
When it is football season. We text about other people's
(50:49):
losing football bets and our own gambling weekends. Nick, I
appreciate you. You have made me if I wasn't already
heavily invested in Terrence Bud Crawford winning. He's a Midwestern
kid like me. Uh, is there anything I would imagine?
I don't know. Is there anything that you don't you
want to promote, you want to tell the audience about
(51:11):
anyone you want to shout out before we go? Any
other final thoughts about the fight? Anything?
Speaker 2 (51:17):
Uh? No final thoughts. You know Naolia in a way
fights this weekend two put eyes on him. He's arguably
the best fighter in the world. And uh, you know,
it's a true honor to be on your platform. You know,
I really appreciate it. And I just want to say
when we were kicking it in Vegas and you were
getting all sorts of love left and right, it's touching
(51:37):
how real you keep it and how you know nice
you are to every single person that comes up to you,
DAPs you up. You're the same way off the air
and that that touched me. You know that's what it's
all about.
Speaker 1 (51:47):
Man.
Speaker 2 (51:47):
Thanks, thank you so much for.
Speaker 1 (51:49):
That tried to the one guy who.
Speaker 2 (51:51):
Said Lebron you know who did that stuff?
Speaker 1 (51:54):
That was like wanted to fight me?
Speaker 2 (51:56):
No, that was that was a lot then a I.
Speaker 1 (52:00):
Think it's fair to say a half drunk Scott sever
almost tackled it.
Speaker 2 (52:05):
Yeah, Scotty, you don't want to you don't want Scotty,
but you know, aside from that gentleman and he just
sort of dropped it almost like you know, like I'll
see you outside. It's just kind of like it was
like all right, but yeah, all right, man, have a
great trip.
Speaker 1 (52:23):
Thank you so much to absolutely give my best to
the family and appreciate you coming on. And we'll be
back on what's right on Monday or Tuesday, pending what
happened to football this week, and see you guys. Letter.
Speaker 2 (52:34):
We'll try later, Bro
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