Nick Wright breaks down week 1 of the NFL season, starting with Caleb Williams and the Chicago Bears a double digit fourth-quarter lead against JJ McCarthy and the Minnesota Vikings. Next, Nick reacts to Patrick Mahomes and the Kansas City Chiefs loss to Justin Herbert's Los Angeles Chargers. Are there real reasons for concern in KC? Then, Nick recaps the game of the year contender between Josh Allen's Buffalo Bills and Lamar Jackson's Baltimore Ravens, and what it means for both teams going forward. After, Nick discusses the dominant debuts of Aaron Rodgers with the Pittsburgh Steelers, Micah Parsons with the Green Bay Packers, and Emeka Egbuka with Baker Mayfield and the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Later, Nick and Damonza answer your questions. #Volume
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Welcome in What's Driving the Great Episode three sixty three.
This episode as always brought to you by our great
friends at boost Mobile. Demonsey. What a weekend. How about
that teaser crushes? Your teaser won with ease, Buddy, Well,
the Bills was a little bit of a sweat ended
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up not being a sweat. It's weird to have a
team plus nine in a teaser that you're loot like
they're gonna cost you the teaser, and then they win
the game outright, But that happened Cleveland, no sweat, Dallas,
no sweat. I almos, you were on the right side
of it. I almost talked you out of it because I.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
Was saying closer, right, take.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
The Philly side. And because you don't think Dallas can win. Dallas,
of course you know didn't win, but could have there,
so right, teaser great. We It's not quite as good
of a win, but avoiding a loss is all almost
as good as a win. I dodged the dance through
the rain drops on the producers stupid offer this week.
(01:07):
I told you, listen, Travers's gonna throw him one. He's
just gonna throw.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
Him one, like.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
I had no doubt that the Jags are gonna win
that game, but Trevor's gonna give him one, and so
we avoided that. And despite starting the slate Friday night
with a loser case minus three for me, and then
Miami plus one just gets absolutely annihilated. And on that note,
(01:34):
I still will to finish the thought still winning weekend.
Cleveland plus five could have won outright, should have won outright.
We'll get to them. Raiders plus two and a half
did win outright Buffalo plus one again, folks, this is
the key to actually getting the right side of the line,
(01:56):
not even the right side of the game. The books
got a nigh laid for Bill's Ravens. Here's why. It
starts Demons Bills minus a point and a half. So
many people bet it. Hold on, do I have this right?
So oh yeah, so yes, so many people bet Baltimore
(02:20):
plus one and a half that it flips all the
way to Bills to Baltimore. Let me start over, because
I'm it's gonna be confusing for the audience. It opens
Buffalo minus one and a half at home. All the
action comes in on Baltimore getting a point and a
half enough so the line flips all the way to
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Baltimore minus a point and a half, enough action comes
in on Buffalo plus one and a half that it
settles at Buffalo plus one, and then Buffalo wins by one.
And so because of that, all the early Ravens betters
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getting the Ravens plus a point and a half one,
and all the late Bills betters getting the Bills plus
a point and a half or plus one one. That's
a that's the worst case scenario for the books. And
by the way, our show brought to you by our
great friends at hard Rock bet that is, you really
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really want to avoid that exact scenario. But it also
if you liked Buffalo in this game and you bet
them early, you lost. If you had Buffalo minus a
point and a half, you lost. Like so, all of
that is noteworthy. Here's the other thing that's noteworthy. I
have a lot invested in the Cults being bad. I
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was flirting with them being you know, having the number
one pick, certainly them missing the playoffs, and you know,
I have a lot of preseason investment in that, which
means I now have Demond's a a defact do investment
in the Dolphins better be absolutely horrific Like that game
needs to have been about how bad Miami is, because
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if Miami's just average, then the Colts are good and
I'm in trouble. I'm already starting.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
To behind the game back.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
Yeah, and so yeah, Daniel don't play the game of
his life. So all right, so all of that coming
up in the show. Here's how I want to do
these Tuesday shows. I would like, in theory for us
to spend at least twenty seconds on every single game
like that, every game of the week, and will be
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addressed now maybe come week ten or eleven, if there's
a game between two truly out of iderrelevant teams, will
break that rule. But early in the season, there was
only one game that I looked at and I was like,
even twenty seconds? Is it too much on this game?
Do you know game that was? Do you have a
guess we're both teams? I'm like, do we need to
(05:03):
talk about it? You nailed it, You nailed it.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
But that will hit this week. I feel like Arizona, Oh,
thank you for saying that. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
So all of my Survivor picks this week were either
Cardinals or Jags. Most Jags are our team one for
the show was Jags It is so maddening that Brian
Callahan's the worst coach I've ever seen in the in
the last decade in the NFL, because forty percent of
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the million dollar pool would have been knocked out with
the Broncos losing. You add seventy five percent of the
pool had either Philly, which could have lost, Denver, which
should have lost, or Cincinnati, which was dying to lose. Instead,
every favorite one except for the Chiefs, Every big favorite
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one three points or more except for the Chiefs. All
right straight to voicemail, brought to you by boost Mobile.
Syracuse beat Yukon in overtime and then head coach made
him to win sprints. Okay, Bill Belichick is imploding, is
too strong, but it's not far from what he's doing
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when he talks about I'm not welcome there. Why would
they be welcome here? Because you're trying to get your
guys into the NFL. Bro and Demons question, are you
reclaiming Daniel Jones or you.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
Need to see me claiming Daniel Jones? Okay, Like like
you said, we got to see what the Colts are
actually going to be about and what Miami is Uh. Okay,
I'll be watching him watching them.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
I'll be honest with you, I don't know that I'll
be watching him, at least not early on. I don't
know that they're gonna make the They didn't make the
I had six games on in front of me and
the one o'clock window this weekend called Dolphins one one
of them I did. And so we'll see, all right,
please guys. Oh, by the way, I just got the
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Obviously the YouTube numbers anybody can see. I'm very pleased
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and you know, subscribe on YouTube as well. All that
stuff is super helpful. All right, Monday night football, de monsay,
(07:55):
and we might have a problem.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
Uh yeah, So the Bears came. It came out looking
pretty good. Caleb had that nice drive. In the beginning
of the game seemed like they were controlling it, even
JJ McCarthy threw a pick six, but they still turned
it around and won. So obviously, Caleb Williams loss last night.
What was your biggest takeaway from this game?
Speaker 1 (08:14):
All right, I'm officially a little concerned about Caleb. I
was not at any point last year, but the sequence
of the last ninety six hours where I listen, I'm
a subscriber. I was already a subscriber to Tyler Dunn substack.
(08:38):
It's like fifty bucks for the whole year support real journalism.
He is the guy if people are like, I, oh,
let me it's go long TD. Let me see if
you go to golongtd dot com if that takes you there,
I actually don't know the answer that no, so hold on,
let me see what the actual so oh no it does.
(09:00):
Oh maybe yeah, golongtd dot com. But it's on substack.
He is the guy who broke the story a year
ago demons that Sean McDermott tried to rally the troops
by being like the nine to eleven hijackers thing. He
has real sources, he is a real journalist. He's totally independent,
(09:22):
so I was already a subscriber of his. He has
released a three part book on Caleb's first year with
the Bears, It Ain't Great and it is to me
highly concerning. It also discusses it's a The person who
(09:44):
comes out looking the worst is Ryan Poles the GM.
Caleb doesn't look great though in it either, and it
talks about a shaky work ethic, not necessarily galvanizing leadership,
and in a shocking statement from some of his sources
(10:07):
that there is a belief within the front office that
was kept from the coaching staff, that Caleb might have
the learning disability dyslexia, which there is obviously no shame
in that at all. However, one of the ways dyslexia
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can manifest itself, obviously is you transpose words or letters,
and that one of the reasons they postulate he might
have trouble translating the play call from his headset to
his wristband getting it in, getting plays in on time
is a confusion about what he's reading. And that is
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not something that is, you know, you can't overcome, but
it is something that has to be accounted for. And
the reporting is that the front office kept it from
his coaches last year. Now, obviously Ben Johnson, one would
think has all this information. And if you watched last night,
(11:16):
you saw most notably that play on the sideline when
Caleb spun out of trouble, went to the sideline and
then ripped an absolute laser to I don't know if
it was DJ Moore or Rome. I'm not sure why
(11:36):
the talent demands is undeniable and hypnotizing. It just is
like and you saw that obviously throughout his remarkable collegiate career.
But his right now deficit on the pre these snap
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parts of being an NFL quarterback to me, are going
to slow his development. And you saw that left and
right last night, that getting plays in was still a problem.
Motioning guys when there's a few seconds on the shot
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on the shot clock, on the game clock or play
clock was still a problem. Like some things that he
really needs to be at this point, in my opinion,
better at those things have become one game in have
not improved, And.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
You don't think his decision making at all improved a
little bit from last year.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
So I do think his decision making improved. I'm talking
about the pre snap operation. I'm talking about getting the
team out of the huddle, conveying the play call in time,
doing the things necessary to prevent these five yard pre
snap penalties. That was brutal. The whole night just was.
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And while his decision making I thought was better and
he was quicker getting the ball out, his accuracy was shaky.
Speaker 3 (13:23):
He's putting a lot, he missed a lot on them,
putting a lot on the lot on the ball and
also just missing.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
There were a couple spots he missed guys wide open.
And so if I am being fair, which I have
to be, I I still believe in Caleb Williams. I
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am less certain that superstardom is in his future. And
I think that is for me as a guy who
said he would come into the league as a top
ten quarterback. Uh tough pill to swallow, trust me, But.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
You don't think it might be a little a little
early with it being game one, Like if they were
to go and put it on the Lions, what would
that change stuff immediately?
Speaker 1 (14:29):
Maybe I'm gonna look back on this and say I was,
you know, ten hours after the game in his reactionary.
But I am like I am, I understand most of
the audience has not read the Tyler Dunn story, and again,
his sub stack is golong tv dot com. I highly
(14:49):
encourage people. It's it's worth the six bucks a month.
It's less than that four bucks a month. It's worth
it just to read this story. Totally honest with you.
That story shook my faith in a real way. And
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then this game. You of course, listen, he started ten
of ten. It started great, it ended so poorly. And listen,
he's not the only culprit in this, which brings us
to Ben Johnson, where there were I didn't like Ben
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Johnson's decision early to not kick the field goal. I
just think you don't have the Lions team from last year.
You're also playing a team that is going to be
hard to accumulate points on as evidence by the fact
your offense, you know, struggled to score points throughout the night.
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I know they finished with twenty four. One touchdown came
with two minutes left and another one was a pick six.
But JJ at that, you know what I mean? There
was reasona believe JJ would struggle early, and he did.
But the bigger problem is, and evidently Peyton Manning peeped
this on the Manning cast because of course he did.
(16:24):
I was surprised Joe and Troy didn't. But this is
going to This is a coaching note that is simply
it listen. Nobody's in the Brian Callahan category. More on
him later. But this was a mistake by Ben. So
here's situation. He understood we've got a score before the
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two minute warning. Caleb almost ran it in before the
two minute warning at two oh four, two oh five.
They end up ruling him, you know, out of bounds
at the six inch line. They then do a quick
pass score. They score it two. They have one timeout.
With the two minute warning and one timeout. If you
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force a three and out, you're gonna get the ball
back without a minute left, down three points and be alive.
Without the two minute warning and one timeout, you're gonna
get the ball back with about twenty seconds left and
be dead. It's that simple. The two minute warning must
be retained in part because I think Ben challenged a
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play because he didn't understand the rule. Now that's a
tricky rule because so let me back up to it.
The rule is if someone is knee is on the
ground and you touch them, they're down immediately. What Ben
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Saw or his guy in the booth. Saw is, oh,
we didn't touch the player with who was down. We
punched the ball, and we punched the ball so cleanly.
It did not We never touched the player until the
ball was loose. So is that a fumble? And so
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he challenged it and the answer is no, it's not
even just touching the ball. When a player is down
on the ground, he's down. So that's like a nuance
of the rule. Head coach needs to know that. So
like that was so that's why they only had one
time out instead of two. But now we get to
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two h two left and Cairo Santos, who missed the
field goal earlier and is not known for the strongest
of legs, Demonse Ben Johnson tells him kick it out
of the back of the end zone to retain the
two minute warning. Kevin O'Connell tells his guy, if you
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can return it, return it, don't worry about the yardage,
just return it to burn these two seconds sidebar. No
one's ever done this, but I would encourage it. The
actual sharpest play there for that returner, if he only
has to burn two seconds, is to catch it and
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run sideways. Staying in the end zone to burn as
much time as possible and then just step out the
back of the end zone for a touchback or kneel
it for a touchback. Then you still get the thirty
five yard line. You don't risk a fumble, you burn
more time because the guys have to get to you.
(19:42):
But again, that is PhD level coaching, of which you
know not everyone is here yet. That's fine. Kevin O'Connell
did a great job with it. But here is the
nuanced part that matters, in particular with the new touchback rules. Demonse.
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The new touchback.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
Rule is.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
If you kneel it in the end zone. If you
kick it into the end zone and they kneel it,
they get it on the thirty five. They did not
change the fact that if you kick it out of bounds,
you get it at the forty. So if the oh,
if the single most important thing to your team is
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that they not be able to return this kick and
you don't have a cannon legged kicker who can kick
it out in the back of the end zone on command,
then you don't ask him to kick it out the
back of the end zone, which he might not be
able to do. You ask him fire that thing forty
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five degree angle right out of bounds, which everyone can do.
You give up five yards? Who cares you guarantee? So
instead the thirty five, it's the forty that doesn't matter.
What matters is now that next play happens at two two.
There's nothing they can do about it. That was a
mistake by Ben Johnson. I saw it in real time.
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Peyton Manning on the Manning cast evidently saw it in
real time, and I and I thought that that was
a mistake. So listen, I thought, I don't think that
was like an awful first game by Ben Johnson, but
the bad challenge and the trusting that Cairo Santos can
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just boom it out in the back of the end
zone were very costly mistakes.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
So were you giving him as a greade in his
first game?
Speaker 1 (21:49):
Blew a big lead offense didn't really get going after
the opening script those mistakes C plus C plus C
plus giving him a C plus. All right, let's spend
a second on JJ.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
Yeah, I was about to say, so, after seeing that
performance by JJ, what do you expect from him moving forward?
Speaker 1 (22:10):
Well, listen, I think that the comeback and his role
in it and the confidence he's going to get from it.
You know, if they if they didn't get that comeback
at the end and was just he threw a pick
six and they lose, I think the next few weeks
could be real rough. Instead, a guy whose rep coming
(22:32):
in was just a winner, makes big plays, galvanizing force,
just adds to it in his first ever NFL game.
Pretty good, Like that part is really good. So I
didn't think he was that impressive. I didn't think he
(22:52):
was that good, but he had the moments which I think,
are you know, super relevant and super you know, useful,
And so I want to give him credit for that.
Am I am? I sold entirely that, like you know,
he's going to be a franchise quarterback. No, of course
(23:14):
not yet after one game. But for what his rep was, Demons,
that was an awesome start.
Speaker 3 (23:23):
That was description Yes for sure, will you giving let's
go ahead, will Caleb.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
Be getting similar treatment to the Prince? You know how
Trevor had bad coaching and then he had his coach
and that was officially his first year.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
Well let's listen. I mean, if Trevor does what the
Prince did, which is have an awesome second year, make
the playoffs, win a playoff game, then yeah, we can
just say or if Caleb does sorry, if Caleb does
what Trevor did, we can just say, yeah, it was
it was all on Eberflus, and I think a lot
of it was on Bear's dysfunction eber flues. Again, I'm
(24:03):
not saying like I'm out on Kalin. I am saying
that the stuff, some of the stuff that I wanted
him to be just a little tighter on, I didn't see.
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All right, Demanse, Let's get to the Chiefs.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
All right. So Chargers in the Herbert are Chargers in
the Herbert Chargers and Herbert did about everything correctly against
your Chiefs on Saturday? Was that Friday night? Sorry? Last
week you said how important this game, how important this
game was with Philly the Super Bowl rematch coming up,
and you admitted that you weren't as nervous when you
saw how the rest of the AFC played. How are
(26:38):
you feeling out? This is a safe space. If you
want to come out and say that you're a little worried,
you can't.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
So I'm not worried about the AFC West. I thought
the Chargers played great. I think the short version of
it is I thought the Chiefs played really poorly. I
think the Xavier Worthy injury was not having a player
for a month that you know you're not gonna have
(27:05):
is one thing. Losing a player three plays into a
game when you've built your game plan for that game
around that player's skill set is a different thing, so
I you know what I mean. I also think there
was a true emotional You've got to be kidding me.
Here we go again. You know, last year, lose Hollywood
(27:26):
Brown before the season starts, Rashi Rice gets hurt in
week four, You're going through it now. Three plays into
the year, Xavier Worthy friendly fire. You know, his shoulder
pops out. So I think all that, you know, played
a part in how the Chiefs looked. My concerns for
the Chiefs are really like, because Rashi'll be back, and Worthy,
(27:51):
I believe escaped major injury. I think Worthy could be
back in two weeks. He's not gonna have surgery. He's
gonna wear a harness now, he's one hundred and sixty pounds.
It could happen again, yes, and if it happens again,
he has to have surgery. And so that's the you know,
that's the issue. This is. You know, my take on
(28:13):
skinny football players is sadly. You know, there's a reason
I have it. The part of the Chiefs. There are
two pieces of the Chiefs game from this from Friday
night that for them to win the Super Bowl have
to improve. Okay, one is the running game can't be
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that bad, just can't be. Pachecko's gotta be better at
seeing where the blocks are and hitting the hole, and
I like Isaiah, He's gotta be better. So that's one
piece of it. The other piece of it is that
the pass rush paired with the secondary got carved up
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in a way I have not seen the Chiefs secondary
carved up in years. Truly. That has to instantly get
better if they're gonna win a championship, okay, or compete
for a championship. Those are fair and legitimate. Week one concerns.
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What I am truly beside myself about is the commentary
after that game about Patrick and this is where I
will die on this goddamn hill. And I apologize if
(29:42):
it sounds like I'm in reruns here, but I have
to just very quickly give folks the sequence of the
last twenty six months in the NFL or so and
how many people just have the total inability to remember
their own opinions. Okay. Going into the twenty twenty two season,
(30:14):
there was legitimate chatter about, ah, will the Chiefs take
a massive step back without Tyreek Hill? What will Patrick
look like without Tyreek Hill. How will Patrick and the
Chiefs respond to not having that weapon and losing the
AFC Championship game the way they did? He responded by
(30:38):
winning League MVP, setting the still standing record for most
total yards in a season, and then in the postseason
beating the team that beat him the previous year on
a bomb ankle, and then playing a perfect Super Bowl
(31:00):
to the tune of thirty eight points. And then in
February of twenty twenty three, folks said, I can't I
can't doubt Patrick, two time MVP, two times Super Bowl MVP. Okay,
that's February of twenty twenty three, it is now. You
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then go to January of twenty twenty four, again not
ages ago, and the general consensus is this is the
worst Chiefs team of the Mahomes zero. They are super vulnerable,
They no one can catch the ball. And then and
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they're underdogs in three consecutive playoff games. People look at
the Bills. They have to go to Buffalo, the Bills
have the better team, and Patrick outplays Josh and wins.
They have to go to Baltimore. Baltimore as a far
better team and Patrick out plays Lamar and wins. And
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then in overt in the Super Bowl, executes another ten
point comeback, plays another perfect fourth quarter in overtime, wins
the Super Bowl, and in February, February of twenty twenty four,
everyone agrees, all right, I'm really never doubting Patrick again,
(32:30):
I promise. And then last year happens and the Chiefs
win games but look funny doing it, and then there
is real doubt once again. And then the AFC Championship
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Game rolls around and a Chiefs team that hasn't been
able to score more than thirty points all year puts
thirty two on Buffalo, and Patrick out plays Josh to
get to his third straight Super Bowl. And in February
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of this year, two games ago, the universally held consensus
is the following. Patrick Mahomes is one game away from
arguably from having a real argument he's the greatest player
(33:31):
of all time because of the three peat. The Chiefs
are worse than Philadelphia at running back, offensive line, wide receiver,
defensive line defense as a whole. But I'm picking the
Chiefs because you can't bet against Patrick. They're the favorites
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because of that, they're the media pick because of that.
That's two games go, he walks into that game with
everyone saying, all right, we cant like he's he's elevating.
He's in a different class than Josh, who's beaten four
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times now Lamar, who had another tough playoff moment, all
of it two games ago. They then get crushed in
the Super Bowl, have a rough week one, and now
all those same fucking people are like, all right, you know,
let's be serious. Josh and Lamar, they they've elevated past him.
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Just remember your own goddamn takes. People. It was February
of twenty twenty five that you after they won again
to get to the third straight Super Bowl for a
team that everyone acknowledges he's the only player in the
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league that could have won seventeen games with that team
had that team in the Super Bowl. Everyone said, he's
in a different class of player, and we are so fickle,
and so what have you done for me lately? That
(35:21):
Two games later, one of which, by the way, Demonse
he was the best player for the chief sint he
played awesome Friday night, people are like, I'm not sure
what's wrong with Mahomes. It's gonna drive me insane. Two
games ago, you thought he was a game away from
(35:42):
being the goat. Now you have him as the fifth
best quarterback in football presently. And I come across as
an apologist because I'm the only person that remembers these things.
Evidently all of you in the media that picked the
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Chiefs in the Super Bowl did it because of him.
You thought the Eagles were better everywhere else, and now
that same guy, you're like, I don't know. It's embarrassing.
It's a sad state of affairs. That three games ago,
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folks said, I mean, Josh Patrick, how can you even
make an argument? And now again, think about that late
January of twenty twenty five. We are in twenty twenty five.
Everyone set their swords down and said, okay, listen, Patrick's
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best player in the world. And then because he played
poorly in his fifth Super Bowl, third consecutive and Josh
was playing golf, folks are like, I don't know. And
then one week, one game, and now it's the general consensus.
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It's a it's a crazy, crazy turn of events.
Speaker 2 (37:16):
Man. You think because it was like a shootout with
Baltimore and Buffalo, everybody's like, oh.
Speaker 1 (37:22):
Yeah, Josh was unbelievable in that game. Lamar was unbelievable
in that game. I'm not doubting that. I just want.
I just want people again. I am not Well, what
I don't want is this. I'm not trying to live
off twenty eighteen and be like, well, Patrick has a
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Super Bowl from five years ago and Josh and Lamar don't.
I'm trying to live off this calendar year a few
games ago. So dumb. It's so so so dumb. And
today spoiler alert on TV on Mahomes Mountain, I'm still
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gonna have Mahomes at the top, and people are gonna
call it outrageous. People are going to say it's outrageous,
like Colin is saying Josh is the most talented player
he's ever seen. Simmons is saying Josh's best quarterback in
the league. Again, what were you guys saying two games ago?
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Ask it? Go look check the archives.
Speaker 2 (38:35):
Is talented the same thing as winningest. Oh, Because I
do feel like Josh Allen has more of the athletic gifts.
I should say Patrick Mahomes obviously gifted, but.
Speaker 1 (38:49):
Then why does it so? Then? But then but that
that's to me, I mean, we can we can walk
down that path But then that's almost an insult to Josh,
because Josh a few of these games has had the
better roster. In all of the games, he's had the
better defense. In one of the games he was at home.
So if he's the better physical talent, it's a fair
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fight teammate wise, why can he not win? It's just like,
I don't know. I think that's that's I wouldn't if
I were a Josh Allen fan, I wouldn't want that
to be the argument. My guy's actually the most talented
but just can't win like that. I'd rather it be
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my guy's an all time, all time talent. Your guy
just is superhuman. But I don't. I don't know, all right.
By the way, I am so excited. I'm going to
Kansas City on Friday, or I'm going Thursday. We're doing
the show from Kansas City on Friday and end. I
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And as you guys know, I don't I'm not a
I'm not a press pass guy. Now. Would I be
a you know, the you know Kelsey or Mahomes sweet
guy if I were invited, sure, maybe, But assuming that invite,
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I think because of some of the people sitting there, you,
I think you might have to pass an FBI background
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let's get to the game of the weekend, Bill's Ravens.
Speaker 2 (42:14):
Yeah, so the game didn't disappoint obviously, Buffalo came back
against my Ravens. That fifteen point lead erased harball has
now blown seventeen double digit second half leads. Bigger story
here is the Bills win? Or is it the Ravens loss?
Speaker 1 (42:31):
What do you think the bigger story is?
Speaker 2 (42:34):
The bigger story here is oh my gosh, the Ravens
gotta stop shooting themselves in the foot. The penalties and
just the fun. The penalties are just so frustrating the
penalties and just how we move when we need something.
The Bills have the momentum, they're coming back, and we're
running end rounds with Save Flowers just rather get a
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first down.
Speaker 1 (42:56):
And well, I'm glad you did you bring up that
end around with Jay Flowers the because I from what
I said on the show yesterday, or did that bother
you organically much? Yeah? That play Demons is like lost
in the conversation surrounding the game. That was insane, Like
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you need one first down to win the game. Derrick
Henry is killing them. I understand Henry got stuffed on
first down. You cannot use one of your downs Onsea Flowers,
You just can't. It's gotta be lamar ball in his hands,
you know, if see someone open throws it or run
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or Derrick Henry. So that I agree with entirely, and
I also agree with you the biggest stories of the
Ravens loss because the Bills listen. Josh Allen is an
unbelievable player, and since he stopped turning the ball over.
He stopped being a roller coaster and I stopped calling
him one. Like I've been fair about Josh. Josh always
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had this amazing talent. He was a little too high
variants of a player early. He removed some of that
variants and now he's just a killer. So the Bill's
coming back is not that shocking. The Bill's defense looking
as bad as it did for the vast majority of
that game is actually a little concerning. Like, weirdly, if
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I were a Bills fandomond, I would be over the moon,
thrilled about the win. And you have the tiebreaker and
you have the easier schedule. You've never had the one
seed since you've been since you've had Josh Allen, you
now have a real shot at it this year. Like
all of that is super positive, But deep down I'd
be like, yikes, that defense like that, that's a bit
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of a concern. But the story is Baltimore once again
inventing a way to lose because they this is what
they do. And I know Harbaugh. Harbaugh tried to make
the point essentially that at Harbaugh tried to make the
point that, yeah, we've blown a lot of big leads,
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but we have a lot of big leads. Like how fair?
You know what I mean? Like we we're in this
position more than most. Mike Sando has this these figures.
I think it's good. Since the start of the twenty
twenty two season, there are seven teams demanse who have
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had multiple score fourth quarter leads at least twenty times. Okay,
so seven teams have had multiple score fourth quarter leads
at least twenty times, and Harbaugh is right that the
Ravens have the most. Most of them. The Bengals and
the Bills have twenty one, the Lions have twenty two,
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the Chiefs have twenty four, the Niners have twenty five,
the Eagles have twenty eight, and the Ravens have thirty one.
So that is a lot. Here's the problem, though, record
in those games from best to worst, the Chiefs are
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twenty four and oh and honestly, I just did a
whole Mahomes thing. I don't need to do it again.
That's the least surprising stat in the world. Because while
it's been a while since the Chiefs have been able
to generate some big lead, the idea, I can't even
conceptualize what it would look like for the Chiefs to
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blow a big lead. No, for you know what I mean,
for the Chiefs to be up thirteen in the fourth
and lose the like with Patrick. It just doesn't happen.
Like they're not gonna make those mistakes. And Andy obviously
deserves credit for that too. But the Chiefs are twenty
four and oh. The next best is the Eagles twenty
seven and one, then the Line twenty one and one,
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the Bengals twenty and one, the Niners twenty three and two,
and the second worst is the Bills at nineteen and
two and then the Ravens at twenty five and six.
So yes, the Ravens have had more, slightly more opportunities,
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but the Chiefs have never lost in the last three
years in that spot. The Eagles, Lions, and Bengals have
lost once, the Niners and Bills have lost twice, and
the Ravens have lost six times. That's not nothing. It's
just not nothing. And I don't I don't know that
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the hardball Lamar combo is gonna get over the hump man.
I just don't. And it's Lamar's obviously, you know, just
getting better as a player, getting better in the playoffs,
like I also thought, demons, how did you feel when
you saw hardball was punting on fourth and two and
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a half.
Speaker 2 (48:20):
I mean, it's easy to say looking back at the game, like,
definitely got to go for that, but also we weren't
stopping them, so it probably does make more sense to
go for it in that situation because the Bills have
just been been doing everything they wanted. So it's it's
not fourth and five.
Speaker 1 (48:36):
Well, and here's the other piece, and I.
Speaker 2 (48:39):
Go Lamar and Derrick Henry and.
Speaker 1 (48:41):
I know Lamar said he was cramping. But what you
can do there is because the Bills used a timeout.
They use the timeout, you get two minutes there to
kind of recover. You then trot your offense out, try
to draw them off sides forty seconds to recover. If
you don't call timeout, another two minutes to recover, and
then you got to go for it because if you
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if you don't get it, you might get the ball back,
you know what I mean. If you don't get it
and they score, you get the ball back. And if
you do get it, the game's over. And here's my
only criticism of Lamar from that game. My only criticism
when he threw the pass on third and nine where
he did three yards short of this, I assumed.
Speaker 3 (49:33):
I think it was actually the Hopkins I think and
talked to him, Yeah it was. Yeah, I assumed he
threw it there because he like obviously correct, but he
was comfortable throwing it short of the sticks because it's
four down territory, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (49:54):
Like, that's what I assumed was the case. If you're
not if you don't know you're going for it, you
can't and you can't throw short of the sticks there,
like you've got to try to go get the first down.
I also have a question for you to want say,
and if the answer is had nothing to do with
the game, that's fine. You sent out a tweet an
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hour into the game that said that that had a superhero,
a bowl of ramen maybe, and then a trophy. Before
you tell me what that is, I have a question.
Is that a bowl of ramen in the in the picture.
Speaker 2 (50:39):
It's a it's a ball. It's like, was it specifically?
Speaker 1 (50:46):
Are you are you going to tell us what that was?
Speaker 2 (50:51):
I was about to eat.
Speaker 1 (50:52):
I knew it.
Speaker 2 (50:54):
I was good. Yes, we come out and be fair. Yes, yeah,
everything to do with the game. I was tweeting super
Bowl Champs. I thought the Bravens is gonna win the game.
That's why I left it cryptic.
Speaker 1 (51:07):
But super Bowl Champs, it's I had it totally wrong.
I thought I had it totally wrong, and I thought
our producers were gonna laugh. What people don't know about
you is, while you're not what I would call a chef,
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you do consider yourself a bit of like an elite. Yes,
Like I had eggs and different ramas, and I honestly
thought you were watching the game and made yourself like
a great Ramen meal watching it and were like calling
yourself like the king of making Ramen noodles. I swear
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to god, that's what I thought. I now, super Bowl Champ,
that's pretty good. All right, that's pretty good. Okay, all right?
Do you have a you have a Derreck Henry tweet
for me or to not tweet a question?
Speaker 2 (52:07):
Oh yeah, um yeah, oh yeah. So aside from the fumble,
Henry looked good as ever. Obviously, he had one hundred
and sixty nine yards and two touchdowns. Do you think
that it's safe to say that the cliff isn't coming
this year? Because you said he was getting a hold.
Speaker 1 (52:21):
Sure, sure doesn't seem like cliffs coming. Holy Moly, that
guy is unbelievable futures, unbelievable player. Yeah, all right, the
and I have no problem with Lamar shoving the fan.
Neither fans shoved him. First, I have no prom not
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only they didn't talk about on the broadcast, Bill's fans
stop throwing ship on the field. They were the they
were the originators of throwing sex toys on sporting event
fields before it caught off, caught fire in the w
n B A and when Lamar, when Derek Henry was
running for his touchdown, they threw a water bottle on
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the field. They famously threw snowballs at the Chiefs, like
icy snow. Like, stop throwing stuff on the field, Like
I have to listen every year to how Buffalo's got
the greatest fans in the world because it's cold there
and they shovel the stadium for him, Like, stop throwing
stuff on the field. All right, let's talk about the
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other biggest game of the weekend before we do quick
hitters on the rest.
Speaker 2 (53:29):
So Green Bay backed up their preseason hype by dominating
the Lions thanks to Michael Parsons on defense, at Jordan
Love on that offense, Michael Parsons was limited though. So
on the other hand, you had some doubts about Detroit
in the beginning of the season or preseason, should I say,
that seemed to come to life. It seemed to be justified.
Speaker 1 (53:48):
Yeah, so to me, listen, Micah was unbelievable. Mike had
the one sack, but he his pressure caused another sack.
Another one of his pressures caused the interception. This whole narrative, Well,
Mike is a great pass rusher, but he just kills
you against the run. The Lions ran for the second
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for the fewest yards they've run for in almost two
full calendar years. MICHAEH. Parsons is an all time great player,
and uh well maybe maybe Kenny Clark for Micah, Like
it's and I ain't. Kenny Clark's an excellent player. And
the point that I'd been making when people were like, well,
how you know, Dan Campbell tried to tell the media
like we were actually happy Kenny Clark got out of there.
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We are more worried about him. Kenny Clark is such
a good player, and he is I know Kenny Clark.
I like Kenny Clark. Kenny Clark is such a good
player that if you attach two first round picks to him,
you can trade him for a player as good as
Michah Parsons. That's how good Kenny Clark is. Kenny Clark
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plus two first round picks can get you a Hall
of Famer like Micah Parsons. So don't like this idea
that Micah I was gonna have an impact was so stupid.
And the Packers, if Jordan Love can just take care
of the ball, is are gonna be really dangerous. The
story there, though, is the Lions because not a promising
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first game without Ben Johnson, without Aaron Glenn, with the
new interior of the offensive line and Demonse the five
teams that everyone thought were gonna be great in no order, Eagles, Lions, Ravens,
Bill's Chiefs. Every year one of those teams that everyone
thinks it's gonna be great falls off, has a year
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from hell. Last year it was the Niners, the year
before it was the Bengals. Like the there's always a
team now some people listening right now and be like,
it's gonna be your Chiefs. Maybe we'll see I trust
reeing Mahomes we'll see. None of the five, oddly, demonse,
I think, loved their games this weekend. The Eagles certainly
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didn't love how they played. The Ravens loved how they
played for fifty five minutes, then hated it. The Bills
feel the best, but don't love how their defense played,
The Chiefs hate how they played, and the Lions really
hate how they played. But of those five, I think
the Lions are in the most jeopardy. I think that,
and I think golf, you get them off his spot. Man,
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he can struggle, and they got him off his spot consistently.
I didn't know, go ahead.
Speaker 2 (56:33):
I was gonna say the Lions win total dropped to
eight and a half. They entered the season at ten
and a half. Do you think that?
Speaker 1 (56:41):
I think well, I think depending on the book. Some
books had them enduring the season at nine and a half,
and then they lose this game, like yeah, I mean,
the Lions right now are probably a coin flip to
make the playoffs in Vegas. Like that's I don't.
Speaker 2 (56:57):
Think that's the most reaction in one.
Speaker 1 (57:01):
Green Bay was favored because the game was in Green Bay.
But still I just but they were faired by like
one you know what I mean. So that game was
considered a coin flip. So I don't think it's just
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A right to demons. Let's see thirty seconds ish guaranteed
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on each game, and then we'll you know, because we
have gone long. But I said I wanted to hit
something on every game, so let's hit them all go ahead.
Speaker 2 (58:12):
Uh, so we can help you. Wanted to start from
the top. We got Aaron Rodgers. Aaron Rodgers rolled Steelers
offense looked great. How real is this?
Speaker 1 (58:20):
I listen. I know Steelers fans want to believe the
defense letting Justin Fields look like a superstar and allowing
thirty points thirty that was a fluke. The offense looking amazing,
that was not a fluke. I think they were both
a little fluky. And I think that the defense will
be better the offense will be a little worse. I
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also thought Aaron's comments after the game was like, yeah,
I was happy to beat everyone in that organization. All
that organization did for two years was give you every
single thing you wanted. They hired your buddy, they traded
for your friends, They did every single thing they could
do to accommodate you. And you feel scorned because you
got fired, Like, give me a break, and this whole
(59:04):
thing of you had me fly out here to be fired.
If he had fired you over the phone, you would
have been justice pissed. So no, I am not yet
buying stock in the Steelers. I did think Justin Fields
played well.
Speaker 2 (59:17):
Next, your guy Bake show led a game winning drive Atlanta.
You're young way who missed a field goal to win
the game, Yah, or to tie the game. I'm sorry.
Speaker 1 (59:27):
Yeah, I didn't think Baker played great, but he did
play clutch. But the story of that game was a
Mecha Buka, their first round pick, who was caught the
game winner and was awesome. Like they they did something
I think interesting, which is they're like, we're not drafting
for need, We're drafting best player, and they thought of
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mecha Buka was awesome. Didn't matter that they have Godwin
at some point coming back and Mike Evans, they drafted
him anyway, and he made an instant impact. And I
love right now now. I love Tampa getting that win
without Tristan Wurfs against the only team in their division
that could have any chance of competing with them, and
getting it on the road. That is such a huge win.
(01:00:13):
So shout out to Baker.
Speaker 2 (01:00:14):
Next uh who looked better to you? Bow Nicks are
the number one pick and cam Ward.
Speaker 1 (01:00:19):
Listen, Cam Cam just has to stop throwing everything one
hundred and fifty miles an hour.
Speaker 2 (01:00:26):
Guards.
Speaker 1 (01:00:27):
I mean he's throwing it. He's throwing it over the
middle in front of guys as hard as he can.
So he's gotta calm down. That bow Nicks looks horrific.
And he made one good play at the end of
the half. But the story of that game is Bill
Callahan or Brian Callahan, pardon me who. It's six', three
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there are forty seconds left in the first, half you
have the, Lead you're on your own five yard, line And,
denver and this is the, key only has two. Timeouts
so if you run the ball three times or even take,
knees you guarantee that you go into halftime with the.
Lead guarantee. It, instead he has Bow knicks drop back
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into the. Air i'm, sorry Cam wore dropped back into
the end, zone almost get. Safety throw throwing completions and
They denver gets a touchdown before the. Half now somehow
they had a great kick, return so they got a
field goal. Anyway but so it's ten to nine before the,
half And denver feels great instead of being six' to
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three With bow knicks being. A, MESS listen i told
you GUYS that I thought denver might have a good record.
Early on they could have lost, that game But the
denver's offense is not what people have promised you what
would be their defense Is And sean payton lay in
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the game going for a style points touchdown that could
have cost him. The, game like IT'S just i do
not believe In. THE broncos i feel better About my
broncos fading even after the week.
Speaker 2 (01:02:07):
One win next only seem to Like. The Broncos your?
Jags won are you more In? On trevor you wore
a Heut.
Speaker 1 (01:02:14):
On bryce trevor. Was fine Bryce was bryce might have
been the worst quarterback in the league.
Speaker 2 (01:02:20):
This weekend see a little clips, Of him Sir k
morale on, the media like he's like watching the. Jumbo
tron they said he was looking at the mini game
in the middle of. THE game i.
Speaker 1 (01:02:29):
DID see I did wilds mention that. To me but
it was, a, really really really rough Game. For bryce
and he's the number one overall pick in. Year, three like,
come on gotta. Be better jags could. BE good i told,
you Guys. Division jacks jags could. Be good, oh yeah
that's one of. Your bets.
Speaker 2 (01:02:47):
Next decision Uh the raiders, look Good pat patriots. Look
awful what is the biggest? Story?
Speaker 1 (01:02:52):
HERE listen, I mean jent wasn't the reason gent nineteen
carries thirty. Eight yards gino stood in that socket and just,
delivered downfield threw for three to sixty got, you know threw,
a pick got lit up just through. Delivered Downfield the
patriots not being able to move the ball And that
raiders defense is a five alarm. Fire Concern And drake
(01:03:16):
may is officially, on Midwatch Like drake may Like not,
pumpkin watch because that's not the point where he's in.
His career he is on he might just not be.
That good and that was a very dispiriting performance From,
the patriots very dispiriting. For Them. THE raiders i told,
(01:03:40):
you Guys the raiders could be.
Speaker 2 (01:03:41):
Good Though, Next uh cincinnati got bailed Out by cleveland's.
Crummy Kicking is cincinnati slow starts or they come into? An?
Speaker 1 (01:03:49):
END no I mean i. THOUGHT this i thought they
were worse this year than when they Lost In new england.
Last year if You're, the bengals you have to feel
sick like you're happy. You won But the browns moved.
The ball the only And the browns didn't score more
was Two passes flacco threw off guy's hands that. Got
picked you Had the bengals had seven yards Yards to
monsey in the. Second half they had a seven yards,
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second half like and it seems impossible because. They won
This Is joe burrow was in the exact opposite narrative category,
of mahomes, where like no matter what happens, with mahomes
people are gonna find a way to pick. At it
burrow's in. The opposite last year It for, burrow, was
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well they, don't win but he's, been amazing so what
are you? Gonna say and then this week he was
awful but, they won and, they're, like well he didn't,
play well but, They won so what are you? Gonna,
SAY like i, don't know we gotta pick one like
the and SO No. I cincinnati cincinnati had the worst
win of. The, weekend Okay.
Speaker 2 (01:04:57):
So dave was Committed to russ for? Week two how
do you think he should play this if he plans
on keeping.
Speaker 1 (01:05:02):
HIS job i actually think he should Go. TO jamis
i think they don't want to Go to. DART yet
i think dark they want to give him like four
or five six weeks before they go. To Him but
russ is, clearly done so why not Go? To jamis let,
you Know give jamis a. Few games jamis might have a,
Big game he'll obviously at some point play himself out,
(01:05:24):
of it and then you can Go to dart because
they don't want To play. DART yet i understand.
Speaker 2 (01:05:29):
That the giants think they're going. To playoff there's the
playoff push this year saying like, Why, not Okay Like.
Speaker 1 (01:05:35):
Jackson, DART no i just think they Think maybe DART'S
not i. THINK they i think They want dart to
have another month of, like, practices, meetings film you KNOW what,
i mean all, that STUFF which. I understand but so
But if russ can't, Do It malik neighbors is freaking
out because. Of it that's what You have Jamis For
next rams Beat.
Speaker 2 (01:05:55):
The texans what was your biggest? Takeaway There.
Speaker 1 (01:05:59):
The techon's offense looked a lot Like the texans offhinse,
last year which was. Not good i'd be A little
i'd be A little texans, defense Unbelievable but i'd be
a little WORRIED about cj And that. Texans offense that's my.
Biggest takeaway and that's a game that was there for
the taking for them and they couldn't.
Speaker 2 (01:06:17):
Take it Is Is danny dimes. The next You Know
smith sam dornold quarterback. Revival, story Here is miami?
Speaker 1 (01:06:24):
JUST terrible I think miami's. JUST terrible i AM gonna.
I Listen daniel jones was unbelievable in. THAT game i
have to give, him CREDIT but i don't think anything
close to. That sustainable, we'll.
Speaker 2 (01:06:39):
See, Yeah yeah And Then tula tula came out, and, said,
like oh like we're still Upset with tyreek kill who
it needs to Be Begging terry hill to stay on.
Speaker 1 (01:06:47):
THAT team, I mean miami's got a lot, of Problems
AND daniel i would be checking, the policy, you know
the terms of my home or apartment lease to see
what the penalties for breaking it, early IS because i
don't know how much more Time in miami he's gonna.
Speaker 2 (01:07:05):
Have. Next uh the forty nine ers are dealing with
a handful of, big Injuries. Including party HOW should? I
Worry Should san francisco fans be that they're looking at
another season?
Speaker 1 (01:07:15):
From hell they should, be worried and they also might
need a new medical or training staff. Or whatever you
can't be the most injured team every single year in.
The league. It's, COINCIDENCE like i don't KNOW what i
don't understand anything about, sports medicine but you can't just
always have guys pulling groins and calves and hamstrings and
just keep the. Same trainers that's first, Of all second, of,
ALL party i will begrudgingly give him credit for the
(01:07:37):
final drive six for six in, the touchdown even though
that touchdown pass should have been picked immediate like. It
was it was a. Terrible Decision dree wooland had it
and didn't, get it and that would have been his
third pick and. They lost purdy was not very good in.
That game now we find out he was dealing with
an injury or a, couple injuries but now. NOTHING demonds
(01:07:57):
i am all of a sudden about to be A
Huge ue, niner fan oddly Because Somehow jimmy garoppolo Leaving
the niners and instantly being terrible for some people didn't.
Win Me The jimmy garoppolo ARGUMENT that i, Was, like
hey he's a product Of the. Shanahan system but do
you know who their backup Quarterback In san.
Speaker 2 (01:08:18):
Francisco Is It's.
Speaker 1 (01:08:22):
Mac jones Oh If mac jones starts and, looks great
then everyone has. To concede i've been right. All Along
If mac jones comes in and he's awesome or even,
just fine then that's gotta be my final piece. Of,
Evidence Also sam darnold fumbled what could have been a
(01:08:44):
game winning touchdown pass off his offensive lineman's ass just
dropped back the ball like nobody. Hit him he was
he just ran. His hand he. Was terrible they could.
Speaker 2 (01:08:54):
Have. Won Next Uh. Saints, CARDINALS yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:09:00):
I did watch SOME because i Had the cardinals. AND
survivor i wouldn't feel GREAT if i Were. THE cardinals
i would feel really Bad if I'm. The saints flat.
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first three what's right
Welcome in What's Driving the Great Episode three sixty three.
This episode as always brought to you by our great
friends at boost Mobile. Demonsey. What a weekend. How about
that teaser crushes? Your teaser won with ease, Buddy, Well,
the Bills was a little bit of a sweat ended
(00:23):
up not being a sweat. It's weird to have a
team plus nine in a teaser that you're loot like
they're gonna cost you the teaser, and then they win
the game outright, But that happened Cleveland, no sweat, Dallas,
no sweat. I almos, you were on the right side
of it. I almost talked you out of it because I.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
Was saying closer, right, take.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
The Philly side. And because you don't think Dallas can win. Dallas,
of course you know didn't win, but could have there,
so right, teaser great. We It's not quite as good
of a win, but avoiding a loss is all almost
as good as a win. I dodged the dance through
the rain drops on the producers stupid offer this week.
(01:07):
I told you, listen, Travers's gonna throw him one. He's
just gonna throw.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
Him one, like.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
I had no doubt that the Jags are gonna win
that game, but Trevor's gonna give him one, and so
we avoided that. And despite starting the slate Friday night
with a loser case minus three for me, and then
Miami plus one just gets absolutely annihilated. And on that note,
(01:34):
I still will to finish the thought still winning weekend.
Cleveland plus five could have won outright, should have won outright.
We'll get to them. Raiders plus two and a half
did win outright Buffalo plus one again, folks, this is
the key to actually getting the right side of the line,
(01:56):
not even the right side of the game. The books
got a nigh laid for Bill's Ravens. Here's why. It
starts Demons Bills minus a point and a half. So
many people bet it. Hold on, do I have this right?
So oh yeah, so yes, so many people bet Baltimore
(02:20):
plus one and a half that it flips all the
way to Bills to Baltimore. Let me start over, because
I'm it's gonna be confusing for the audience. It opens
Buffalo minus one and a half at home. All the
action comes in on Baltimore getting a point and a
half enough so the line flips all the way to
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Baltimore minus a point and a half, enough action comes
in on Buffalo plus one and a half that it
settles at Buffalo plus one, and then Buffalo wins by one.
And so because of that, all the early Ravens betters
(03:02):
getting the Ravens plus a point and a half one,
and all the late Bills betters getting the Bills plus
a point and a half or plus one one. That's
a that's the worst case scenario for the books. And
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really want to avoid that exact scenario. But it also
if you liked Buffalo in this game and you bet
them early, you lost. If you had Buffalo minus a
point and a half, you lost. Like so, all of
that is noteworthy. Here's the other thing that's noteworthy. I
have a lot invested in the Cults being bad. I
(03:47):
was flirting with them being you know, having the number
one pick, certainly them missing the playoffs, and you know,
I have a lot of preseason investment in that, which
means I now have Demond's a a defact do investment
in the Dolphins better be absolutely horrific Like that game
needs to have been about how bad Miami is, because
(04:10):
if Miami's just average, then the Colts are good and
I'm in trouble. I'm already starting.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
To behind the game back.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
Yeah, and so yeah, Daniel don't play the game of
his life. So all right, so all of that coming
up in the show. Here's how I want to do
these Tuesday shows. I would like, in theory for us
to spend at least twenty seconds on every single game
like that, every game of the week, and will be
(04:41):
addressed now maybe come week ten or eleven, if there's
a game between two truly out of iderrelevant teams, will
break that rule. But early in the season, there was
only one game that I looked at and I was like,
even twenty seconds? Is it too much on this game?
Do you know game that was? Do you have a
guess we're both teams? I'm like, do we need to
(05:03):
talk about it? You nailed it, You nailed it.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
But that will hit this week. I feel like Arizona, Oh,
thank you for saying that. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
So all of my Survivor picks this week were either
Cardinals or Jags. Most Jags are our team one for
the show was Jags It is so maddening that Brian
Callahan's the worst coach I've ever seen in the in
the last decade in the NFL, because forty percent of
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the million dollar pool would have been knocked out with
the Broncos losing. You add seventy five percent of the
pool had either Philly, which could have lost, Denver, which
should have lost, or Cincinnati, which was dying to lose. Instead,
every favorite one except for the Chiefs, Every big favorite
(06:04):
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Syracuse beat Yukon in overtime and then head coach made
him to win sprints. Okay, Bill Belichick is imploding, is
too strong, but it's not far from what he's doing
(06:28):
when he talks about I'm not welcome there. Why would
they be welcome here? Because you're trying to get your
guys into the NFL. Bro and Demons question, are you
reclaiming Daniel Jones or you.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
Need to see me claiming Daniel Jones? Okay, Like like
you said, we got to see what the Colts are
actually going to be about and what Miami is Uh. Okay,
I'll be watching him watching them.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
I'll be honest with you, I don't know that I'll
be watching him, at least not early on. I don't
know that they're gonna make the They didn't make the
I had six games on in front of me and
the one o'clock window this weekend called Dolphins one one
of them I did. And so we'll see, all right,
please guys. Oh, by the way, I just got the
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(07:55):
and we might have a problem.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
Uh yeah, So the Bears came. It came out looking
pretty good. Caleb had that nice drive. In the beginning
of the game seemed like they were controlling it, even
JJ McCarthy threw a pick six, but they still turned
it around and won. So obviously, Caleb Williams loss last night.
What was your biggest takeaway from this game?
Speaker 1 (08:14):
All right, I'm officially a little concerned about Caleb. I
was not at any point last year, but the sequence
of the last ninety six hours where I listen, I'm
a subscriber. I was already a subscriber to Tyler Dunn substack.
(08:38):
It's like fifty bucks for the whole year support real journalism.
He is the guy if people are like, I, oh,
let me it's go long TD. Let me see if
you go to golongtd dot com if that takes you there,
I actually don't know the answer that no, so hold on,
let me see what the actual so oh no it does.
(09:00):
Oh maybe yeah, golongtd dot com. But it's on substack.
He is the guy who broke the story a year
ago demons that Sean McDermott tried to rally the troops
by being like the nine to eleven hijackers thing. He
has real sources, he is a real journalist. He's totally independent,
(09:22):
so I was already a subscriber of his. He has
released a three part book on Caleb's first year with
the Bears, It Ain't Great and it is to me
highly concerning. It also discusses it's a The person who
(09:44):
comes out looking the worst is Ryan Poles the GM.
Caleb doesn't look great though in it either, and it
talks about a shaky work ethic, not necessarily galvanizing leadership,
and in a shocking statement from some of his sources
(10:07):
that there is a belief within the front office that
was kept from the coaching staff, that Caleb might have
the learning disability dyslexia, which there is obviously no shame
in that at all. However, one of the ways dyslexia
(10:28):
can manifest itself, obviously is you transpose words or letters,
and that one of the reasons they postulate he might
have trouble translating the play call from his headset to
his wristband getting it in, getting plays in on time
is a confusion about what he's reading. And that is
(10:53):
not something that is, you know, you can't overcome, but
it is something that has to be accounted for. And
the reporting is that the front office kept it from
his coaches last year. Now, obviously Ben Johnson, one would
think has all this information. And if you watched last night,
(11:16):
you saw most notably that play on the sideline when
Caleb spun out of trouble, went to the sideline and
then ripped an absolute laser to I don't know if
it was DJ Moore or Rome. I'm not sure why
(11:36):
the talent demands is undeniable and hypnotizing. It just is
like and you saw that obviously throughout his remarkable collegiate career.
But his right now deficit on the pre these snap
(12:00):
parts of being an NFL quarterback to me, are going
to slow his development. And you saw that left and
right last night, that getting plays in was still a problem.
Motioning guys when there's a few seconds on the shot
(12:23):
on the shot clock, on the game clock or play
clock was still a problem. Like some things that he
really needs to be at this point, in my opinion,
better at those things have become one game in have
not improved, And.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
You don't think his decision making at all improved a
little bit from last year.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
So I do think his decision making improved. I'm talking
about the pre snap operation. I'm talking about getting the
team out of the huddle, conveying the play call in time,
doing the things necessary to prevent these five yard pre
snap penalties. That was brutal. The whole night just was.
(13:13):
And while his decision making I thought was better and
he was quicker getting the ball out, his accuracy was shaky.
Speaker 3 (13:23):
He's putting a lot, he missed a lot on them,
putting a lot on the lot on the ball and
also just missing.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
There were a couple spots he missed guys wide open.
And so if I am being fair, which I have
to be, I I still believe in Caleb Williams. I
(13:51):
am less certain that superstardom is in his future. And
I think that is for me as a guy who
said he would come into the league as a top
ten quarterback. Uh tough pill to swallow, trust me, But.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
You don't think it might be a little a little
early with it being game one, Like if they were
to go and put it on the Lions, what would
that change stuff immediately?
Speaker 1 (14:29):
Maybe I'm gonna look back on this and say I was,
you know, ten hours after the game in his reactionary.
But I am like I am, I understand most of
the audience has not read the Tyler Dunn story, and again,
his sub stack is golong tv dot com. I highly
(14:49):
encourage people. It's it's worth the six bucks a month.
It's less than that four bucks a month. It's worth
it just to read this story. Totally honest with you.
That story shook my faith in a real way. And
(15:13):
then this game. You of course, listen, he started ten
of ten. It started great, it ended so poorly. And listen,
he's not the only culprit in this, which brings us
to Ben Johnson, where there were I didn't like Ben
(15:40):
Johnson's decision early to not kick the field goal. I
just think you don't have the Lions team from last year.
You're also playing a team that is going to be
hard to accumulate points on as evidence by the fact
your offense, you know, struggled to score points throughout the night.
(16:01):
I know they finished with twenty four. One touchdown came
with two minutes left and another one was a pick six.
But JJ at that, you know what I mean? There
was reasona believe JJ would struggle early, and he did.
But the bigger problem is, and evidently Peyton Manning peeped
this on the Manning cast because of course he did.
(16:24):
I was surprised Joe and Troy didn't. But this is
going to This is a coaching note that is simply
it listen. Nobody's in the Brian Callahan category. More on
him later. But this was a mistake by Ben. So
here's situation. He understood we've got a score before the
(16:45):
two minute warning. Caleb almost ran it in before the
two minute warning at two oh four, two oh five.
They end up ruling him, you know, out of bounds
at the six inch line. They then do a quick
pass score. They score it two. They have one timeout.
With the two minute warning and one timeout. If you
(17:07):
force a three and out, you're gonna get the ball
back without a minute left, down three points and be alive.
Without the two minute warning and one timeout, you're gonna
get the ball back with about twenty seconds left and
be dead. It's that simple. The two minute warning must
be retained in part because I think Ben challenged a
(17:30):
play because he didn't understand the rule. Now that's a
tricky rule because so let me back up to it.
The rule is if someone is knee is on the
ground and you touch them, they're down immediately. What Ben
(17:50):
Saw or his guy in the booth. Saw is, oh,
we didn't touch the player with who was down. We
punched the ball, and we punched the ball so cleanly.
It did not We never touched the player until the
ball was loose. So is that a fumble? And so
(18:14):
he challenged it and the answer is no, it's not
even just touching the ball. When a player is down
on the ground, he's down. So that's like a nuance
of the rule. Head coach needs to know that. So
like that was so that's why they only had one
time out instead of two. But now we get to
(18:37):
two h two left and Cairo Santos, who missed the
field goal earlier and is not known for the strongest
of legs, Demonse Ben Johnson tells him kick it out
of the back of the end zone to retain the
two minute warning. Kevin O'Connell tells his guy, if you
(19:00):
can return it, return it, don't worry about the yardage,
just return it to burn these two seconds sidebar. No
one's ever done this, but I would encourage it. The
actual sharpest play there for that returner, if he only
has to burn two seconds, is to catch it and
(19:21):
run sideways. Staying in the end zone to burn as
much time as possible and then just step out the
back of the end zone for a touchback or kneel
it for a touchback. Then you still get the thirty
five yard line. You don't risk a fumble, you burn
more time because the guys have to get to you.
(19:42):
But again, that is PhD level coaching, of which you
know not everyone is here yet. That's fine. Kevin O'Connell
did a great job with it. But here is the
nuanced part that matters, in particular with the new touchback rules. Demonse.
(20:02):
The new touchback.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
Rule is.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
If you kneel it in the end zone. If you
kick it into the end zone and they kneel it,
they get it on the thirty five. They did not
change the fact that if you kick it out of bounds,
you get it at the forty. So if the oh,
if the single most important thing to your team is
(20:29):
that they not be able to return this kick and
you don't have a cannon legged kicker who can kick
it out in the back of the end zone on command,
then you don't ask him to kick it out the
back of the end zone, which he might not be
able to do. You ask him fire that thing forty
(20:50):
five degree angle right out of bounds, which everyone can do.
You give up five yards? Who cares you guarantee? So
instead the thirty five, it's the forty that doesn't matter.
What matters is now that next play happens at two two.
There's nothing they can do about it. That was a
mistake by Ben Johnson. I saw it in real time.
(21:14):
Peyton Manning on the Manning cast evidently saw it in
real time, and I and I thought that that was
a mistake. So listen, I thought, I don't think that
was like an awful first game by Ben Johnson, but
the bad challenge and the trusting that Cairo Santos can
(21:40):
just boom it out in the back of the end
zone were very costly mistakes.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
So were you giving him as a greade in his
first game?
Speaker 1 (21:49):
Blew a big lead offense didn't really get going after
the opening script those mistakes C plus C plus C
plus giving him a C plus. All right, let's spend
a second on JJ.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
Yeah, I was about to say, so, after seeing that
performance by JJ, what do you expect from him moving forward?
Speaker 1 (22:10):
Well, listen, I think that the comeback and his role
in it and the confidence he's going to get from it.
You know, if they if they didn't get that comeback
at the end and was just he threw a pick
six and they lose, I think the next few weeks
could be real rough. Instead, a guy whose rep coming
(22:32):
in was just a winner, makes big plays, galvanizing force,
just adds to it in his first ever NFL game.
Pretty good, Like that part is really good. So I
didn't think he was that impressive. I didn't think he
(22:52):
was that good, but he had the moments which I think,
are you know, super relevant and super you know, useful,
And so I want to give him credit for that.
Am I am? I sold entirely that, like you know,
he's going to be a franchise quarterback. No, of course
(23:14):
not yet after one game. But for what his rep was, Demons,
that was an awesome start.
Speaker 3 (23:23):
That was description Yes for sure, will you giving let's
go ahead, will Caleb.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
Be getting similar treatment to the Prince? You know how
Trevor had bad coaching and then he had his coach
and that was officially his first year.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
Well let's listen. I mean, if Trevor does what the
Prince did, which is have an awesome second year, make
the playoffs, win a playoff game, then yeah, we can
just say or if Caleb does sorry, if Caleb does
what Trevor did, we can just say, yeah, it was
it was all on Eberflus, and I think a lot
of it was on Bear's dysfunction eber flues. Again, I'm
(24:03):
not saying like I'm out on Kalin. I am saying
that the stuff, some of the stuff that I wanted
him to be just a little tighter on, I didn't see.
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All right, Demanse, Let's get to the Chiefs.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
All right. So Chargers in the Herbert are Chargers in
the Herbert Chargers and Herbert did about everything correctly against
your Chiefs on Saturday? Was that Friday night? Sorry? Last
week you said how important this game, how important this
game was with Philly the Super Bowl rematch coming up,
and you admitted that you weren't as nervous when you
saw how the rest of the AFC played. How are
(26:38):
you feeling out? This is a safe space. If you
want to come out and say that you're a little worried,
you can't.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
So I'm not worried about the AFC West. I thought
the Chargers played great. I think the short version of
it is I thought the Chiefs played really poorly. I
think the Xavier Worthy injury was not having a player
for a month that you know you're not gonna have
(27:05):
is one thing. Losing a player three plays into a
game when you've built your game plan for that game
around that player's skill set is a different thing, so
I you know what I mean. I also think there
was a true emotional You've got to be kidding me.
Here we go again. You know, last year, lose Hollywood
(27:26):
Brown before the season starts, Rashi Rice gets hurt in
week four, You're going through it now. Three plays into
the year, Xavier Worthy friendly fire. You know, his shoulder
pops out. So I think all that, you know, played
a part in how the Chiefs looked. My concerns for
the Chiefs are really like, because Rashi'll be back, and Worthy,
(27:51):
I believe escaped major injury. I think Worthy could be
back in two weeks. He's not gonna have surgery. He's
gonna wear a harness now, he's one hundred and sixty pounds.
It could happen again, yes, and if it happens again,
he has to have surgery. And so that's the you know,
that's the issue. This is. You know, my take on
(28:13):
skinny football players is sadly. You know, there's a reason
I have it. The part of the Chiefs. There are
two pieces of the Chiefs game from this from Friday
night that for them to win the Super Bowl have
to improve. Okay, one is the running game can't be
(28:37):
that bad, just can't be. Pachecko's gotta be better at
seeing where the blocks are and hitting the hole, and
I like Isaiah, He's gotta be better. So that's one
piece of it. The other piece of it is that
the pass rush paired with the secondary got carved up
(28:59):
in a way I have not seen the Chiefs secondary
carved up in years. Truly. That has to instantly get
better if they're gonna win a championship, okay, or compete
for a championship. Those are fair and legitimate. Week one concerns.
(29:20):
What I am truly beside myself about is the commentary
after that game about Patrick and this is where I
will die on this goddamn hill. And I apologize if
(29:42):
it sounds like I'm in reruns here, but I have
to just very quickly give folks the sequence of the
last twenty six months in the NFL or so and
how many people just have the total inability to remember
their own opinions. Okay. Going into the twenty twenty two season,
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there was legitimate chatter about, ah, will the Chiefs take
a massive step back without Tyreek Hill? What will Patrick
look like without Tyreek Hill. How will Patrick and the
Chiefs respond to not having that weapon and losing the
AFC Championship game the way they did? He responded by
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winning League MVP, setting the still standing record for most
total yards in a season, and then in the postseason
beating the team that beat him the previous year on
a bomb ankle, and then playing a perfect Super Bowl
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to the tune of thirty eight points. And then in
February of twenty twenty three, folks said, I can't I
can't doubt Patrick, two time MVP, two times Super Bowl MVP. Okay,
that's February of twenty twenty three, it is now. You
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then go to January of twenty twenty four, again not
ages ago, and the general consensus is this is the
worst Chiefs team of the Mahomes zero. They are super vulnerable,
They no one can catch the ball. And then and
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they're underdogs in three consecutive playoff games. People look at
the Bills. They have to go to Buffalo, the Bills
have the better team, and Patrick outplays Josh and wins.
They have to go to Baltimore. Baltimore as a far
better team and Patrick out plays Lamar and wins. And
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then in overt in the Super Bowl, executes another ten
point comeback, plays another perfect fourth quarter in overtime, wins
the Super Bowl, and in February, February of twenty twenty four,
everyone agrees, all right, I'm really never doubting Patrick again,
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I promise. And then last year happens and the Chiefs
win games but look funny doing it, and then there
is real doubt once again. And then the AFC Championship
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Game rolls around and a Chiefs team that hasn't been
able to score more than thirty points all year puts
thirty two on Buffalo, and Patrick out plays Josh to
get to his third straight Super Bowl. And in February
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of this year, two games ago, the universally held consensus
is the following. Patrick Mahomes is one game away from
arguably from having a real argument he's the greatest player
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of all time because of the three peat. The Chiefs
are worse than Philadelphia at running back, offensive line, wide receiver,
defensive line defense as a whole. But I'm picking the
Chiefs because you can't bet against Patrick. They're the favorites
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because of that, they're the media pick because of that.
That's two games go, he walks into that game with
everyone saying, all right, we cant like he's he's elevating.
He's in a different class than Josh, who's beaten four
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times now Lamar, who had another tough playoff moment, all
of it two games ago. They then get crushed in
the Super Bowl, have a rough week one, and now
all those same fucking people are like, all right, you know,
let's be serious. Josh and Lamar, they they've elevated past him.
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Just remember your own goddamn takes. People. It was February
of twenty twenty five that you after they won again
to get to the third straight Super Bowl for a
team that everyone acknowledges he's the only player in the
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league that could have won seventeen games with that team
had that team in the Super Bowl. Everyone said, he's
in a different class of player, and we are so fickle,
and so what have you done for me lately? That
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Two games later, one of which, by the way, Demonse
he was the best player for the chief sint he
played awesome Friday night, people are like, I'm not sure
what's wrong with Mahomes. It's gonna drive me insane. Two
games ago, you thought he was a game away from
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being the goat. Now you have him as the fifth
best quarterback in football presently. And I come across as
an apologist because I'm the only person that remembers these things.
Evidently all of you in the media that picked the
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Chiefs in the Super Bowl did it because of him.
You thought the Eagles were better everywhere else, and now
that same guy, you're like, I don't know. It's embarrassing.
It's a sad state of affairs. That three games ago,
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folks said, I mean, Josh Patrick, how can you even
make an argument? And now again, think about that late
January of twenty twenty five. We are in twenty twenty five.
Everyone set their swords down and said, okay, listen, Patrick's
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best player in the world. And then because he played
poorly in his fifth Super Bowl, third consecutive and Josh
was playing golf, folks are like, I don't know. And
then one week, one game, and now it's the general consensus.
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It's a it's a crazy, crazy turn of events.
Speaker 2 (37:16):
Man. You think because it was like a shootout with
Baltimore and Buffalo, everybody's like, oh.
Speaker 1 (37:22):
Yeah, Josh was unbelievable in that game. Lamar was unbelievable
in that game. I'm not doubting that. I just want.
I just want people again. I am not Well, what
I don't want is this. I'm not trying to live
off twenty eighteen and be like, well, Patrick has a
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Super Bowl from five years ago and Josh and Lamar don't.
I'm trying to live off this calendar year a few
games ago. So dumb. It's so so so dumb. And
today spoiler alert on TV on Mahomes Mountain, I'm still
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gonna have Mahomes at the top, and people are gonna
call it outrageous. People are going to say it's outrageous,
like Colin is saying Josh is the most talented player
he's ever seen. Simmons is saying Josh's best quarterback in
the league. Again, what were you guys saying two games ago?
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Ask it? Go look check the archives.
Speaker 2 (38:35):
Is talented the same thing as winningest. Oh, Because I
do feel like Josh Allen has more of the athletic gifts.
I should say Patrick Mahomes obviously gifted, but.
Speaker 1 (38:49):
Then why does it so? Then? But then but that
that's to me, I mean, we can we can walk
down that path But then that's almost an insult to Josh,
because Josh a few of these games has had the
better roster. In all of the games, he's had the
better defense. In one of the games he was at home.
So if he's the better physical talent, it's a fair
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fight teammate wise, why can he not win? It's just like,
I don't know. I think that's that's I wouldn't if
I were a Josh Allen fan, I wouldn't want that
to be the argument. My guy's actually the most talented
but just can't win like that. I'd rather it be
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my guy's an all time, all time talent. Your guy
just is superhuman. But I don't. I don't know, all right.
By the way, I am so excited. I'm going to
Kansas City on Friday, or I'm going Thursday. We're doing
the show from Kansas City on Friday and end. I
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think I might stay in town to watch Chiefs Eagles.
And as you guys know, I don't I'm not a
I'm not a press pass guy. Now. Would I be
a you know, the you know Kelsey or Mahomes sweet
guy if I were invited, sure, maybe, But assuming that invite,
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you know, those those those sweet seats. At this point,
I think because of some of the people sitting there, you,
I think you might have to pass an FBI background
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let's get to the game of the weekend, Bill's Ravens.
Speaker 2 (42:14):
Yeah, so the game didn't disappoint obviously, Buffalo came back
against my Ravens. That fifteen point lead erased harball has
now blown seventeen double digit second half leads. Bigger story
here is the Bills win? Or is it the Ravens loss?
Speaker 1 (42:31):
What do you think the bigger story is?
Speaker 2 (42:34):
The bigger story here is oh my gosh, the Ravens
gotta stop shooting themselves in the foot. The penalties and
just the fun. The penalties are just so frustrating the
penalties and just how we move when we need something.
The Bills have the momentum, they're coming back, and we're
running end rounds with Save Flowers just rather get a
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first down.
Speaker 1 (42:56):
And well, I'm glad you did you bring up that
end around with Jay Flowers the because I from what
I said on the show yesterday, or did that bother
you organically much? Yeah? That play Demons is like lost
in the conversation surrounding the game. That was insane, Like
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you need one first down to win the game. Derrick
Henry is killing them. I understand Henry got stuffed on
first down. You cannot use one of your downs Onsea Flowers,
You just can't. It's gotta be lamar ball in his hands,
you know, if see someone open throws it or run
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or Derrick Henry. So that I agree with entirely, and
I also agree with you the biggest stories of the
Ravens loss because the Bills listen. Josh Allen is an
unbelievable player, and since he stopped turning the ball over.
He stopped being a roller coaster and I stopped calling
him one. Like I've been fair about Josh. Josh always
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had this amazing talent. He was a little too high
variants of a player early. He removed some of that
variants and now he's just a killer. So the Bill's
coming back is not that shocking. The Bill's defense looking
as bad as it did for the vast majority of
that game is actually a little concerning. Like, weirdly, if
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I were a Bills fandomond, I would be over the moon,
thrilled about the win. And you have the tiebreaker and
you have the easier schedule. You've never had the one
seed since you've been since you've had Josh Allen, you
now have a real shot at it this year. Like
all of that is super positive, But deep down I'd
be like, yikes, that defense like that, that's a bit
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of a concern. But the story is Baltimore once again
inventing a way to lose because they this is what
they do. And I know Harbaugh. Harbaugh tried to make
the point essentially that at Harbaugh tried to make the
point that, yeah, we've blown a lot of big leads,
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but we have a lot of big leads. Like how fair?
You know what I mean? Like we we're in this
position more than most. Mike Sando has this these figures.
I think it's good. Since the start of the twenty
twenty two season, there are seven teams demanse who have
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had multiple score fourth quarter leads at least twenty times. Okay,
so seven teams have had multiple score fourth quarter leads
at least twenty times, and Harbaugh is right that the
Ravens have the most. Most of them. The Bengals and
the Bills have twenty one, the Lions have twenty two,
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the Chiefs have twenty four, the Niners have twenty five,
the Eagles have twenty eight, and the Ravens have thirty one.
So that is a lot. Here's the problem, though, record
in those games from best to worst, the Chiefs are
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twenty four and oh and honestly, I just did a
whole Mahomes thing. I don't need to do it again.
That's the least surprising stat in the world. Because while
it's been a while since the Chiefs have been able
to generate some big lead, the idea, I can't even
conceptualize what it would look like for the Chiefs to
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blow a big lead. No, for you know what I mean,
for the Chiefs to be up thirteen in the fourth
and lose the like with Patrick. It just doesn't happen.
Like they're not gonna make those mistakes. And Andy obviously
deserves credit for that too. But the Chiefs are twenty
four and oh. The next best is the Eagles twenty
seven and one, then the Line twenty one and one,
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the Bengals twenty and one, the Niners twenty three and two,
and the second worst is the Bills at nineteen and
two and then the Ravens at twenty five and six.
So yes, the Ravens have had more, slightly more opportunities,
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but the Chiefs have never lost in the last three
years in that spot. The Eagles, Lions, and Bengals have
lost once, the Niners and Bills have lost twice, and
the Ravens have lost six times. That's not nothing. It's
just not nothing. And I don't I don't know that
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the hardball Lamar combo is gonna get over the hump man.
I just don't. And it's Lamar's obviously, you know, just
getting better as a player, getting better in the playoffs,
like I also thought, demons, how did you feel when
you saw hardball was punting on fourth and two and
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a half.
Speaker 2 (48:20):
I mean, it's easy to say looking back at the game, like,
definitely got to go for that, but also we weren't
stopping them, so it probably does make more sense to
go for it in that situation because the Bills have
just been been doing everything they wanted. So it's it's
not fourth and five.
Speaker 1 (48:36):
Well, and here's the other piece, and I.
Speaker 2 (48:39):
Go Lamar and Derrick Henry and.
Speaker 1 (48:41):
I know Lamar said he was cramping. But what you
can do there is because the Bills used a timeout.
They use the timeout, you get two minutes there to
kind of recover. You then trot your offense out, try
to draw them off sides forty seconds to recover. If
you don't call timeout, another two minutes to recover, and
then you got to go for it because if you
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if you don't get it, you might get the ball back,
you know what I mean. If you don't get it
and they score, you get the ball back. And if
you do get it, the game's over. And here's my
only criticism of Lamar from that game. My only criticism
when he threw the pass on third and nine where
he did three yards short of this, I assumed.
Speaker 3 (49:33):
I think it was actually the Hopkins I think and
talked to him, Yeah it was. Yeah, I assumed he
threw it there because he like obviously correct, but he
was comfortable throwing it short of the sticks because it's
four down territory, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (49:54):
Like, that's what I assumed was the case. If you're
not if you don't know you're going for it, you
can't and you can't throw short of the sticks there,
like you've got to try to go get the first down.
I also have a question for you to want say,
and if the answer is had nothing to do with
the game, that's fine. You sent out a tweet an
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hour into the game that said that that had a superhero,
a bowl of ramen maybe, and then a trophy. Before
you tell me what that is, I have a question.
Is that a bowl of ramen in the in the picture.
Speaker 2 (50:39):
It's a it's a ball. It's like, was it specifically?
Speaker 1 (50:46):
Are you are you going to tell us what that was?
Speaker 2 (50:51):
I was about to eat.
Speaker 1 (50:52):
I knew it.
Speaker 2 (50:54):
I was good. Yes, we come out and be fair. Yes, yeah,
everything to do with the game. I was tweeting super
Bowl Champs. I thought the Bravens is gonna win the game.
That's why I left it cryptic.
Speaker 1 (51:07):
But super Bowl Champs, it's I had it totally wrong.
I thought I had it totally wrong, and I thought
our producers were gonna laugh. What people don't know about
you is, while you're not what I would call a chef,
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you do consider yourself a bit of like an elite. Yes,
Like I had eggs and different ramas, and I honestly
thought you were watching the game and made yourself like
a great Ramen meal watching it and were like calling
yourself like the king of making Ramen noodles. I swear
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to god, that's what I thought. I now, super Bowl Champ,
that's pretty good. All right, that's pretty good. Okay, all right?
Do you have a you have a Derreck Henry tweet
for me or to not tweet a question?
Speaker 2 (52:07):
Oh yeah, um yeah, oh yeah. So aside from the fumble,
Henry looked good as ever. Obviously, he had one hundred
and sixty nine yards and two touchdowns. Do you think
that it's safe to say that the cliff isn't coming
this year? Because you said he was getting a hold.
Speaker 1 (52:21):
Sure, sure doesn't seem like cliffs coming. Holy Moly, that
guy is unbelievable futures, unbelievable player. Yeah, all right, the
and I have no problem with Lamar shoving the fan.
Neither fans shoved him. First, I have no prom not
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only they didn't talk about on the broadcast, Bill's fans
stop throwing ship on the field. They were the they
were the originators of throwing sex toys on sporting event
fields before it caught off, caught fire in the w
n B A and when Lamar, when Derek Henry was
running for his touchdown, they threw a water bottle on
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the field. They famously threw snowballs at the Chiefs, like
icy snow. Like, stop throwing stuff on the field, Like
I have to listen every year to how Buffalo's got
the greatest fans in the world because it's cold there
and they shovel the stadium for him, Like, stop throwing
stuff on the field. All right, let's talk about the
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other biggest game of the weekend before we do quick
hitters on the rest.
Speaker 2 (53:29):
So Green Bay backed up their preseason hype by dominating
the Lions thanks to Michael Parsons on defense, at Jordan
Love on that offense, Michael Parsons was limited though. So
on the other hand, you had some doubts about Detroit
in the beginning of the season or preseason, should I say,
that seemed to come to life. It seemed to be justified.
Speaker 1 (53:48):
Yeah, so to me, listen, Micah was unbelievable. Mike had
the one sack, but he his pressure caused another sack.
Another one of his pressures caused the interception. This whole narrative, Well,
Mike is a great pass rusher, but he just kills
you against the run. The Lions ran for the second
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for the fewest yards they've run for in almost two
full calendar years. MICHAEH. Parsons is an all time great player,
and uh well maybe maybe Kenny Clark for Micah, Like
it's and I ain't. Kenny Clark's an excellent player. And
the point that I'd been making when people were like, well,
how you know, Dan Campbell tried to tell the media
like we were actually happy Kenny Clark got out of there.
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We are more worried about him. Kenny Clark is such
a good player, and he is I know Kenny Clark.
I like Kenny Clark. Kenny Clark is such a good
player that if you attach two first round picks to him,
you can trade him for a player as good as
Michah Parsons. That's how good Kenny Clark is. Kenny Clark
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plus two first round picks can get you a Hall
of Famer like Micah Parsons. So don't like this idea
that Micah I was gonna have an impact was so stupid.
And the Packers, if Jordan Love can just take care
of the ball, is are gonna be really dangerous. The
story there, though, is the Lions because not a promising
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first game without Ben Johnson, without Aaron Glenn, with the
new interior of the offensive line and Demonse the five
teams that everyone thought were gonna be great in no order, Eagles, Lions, Ravens,
Bill's Chiefs. Every year one of those teams that everyone
thinks it's gonna be great falls off, has a year
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from hell. Last year it was the Niners, the year
before it was the Bengals. Like the there's always a
team now some people listening right now and be like,
it's gonna be your Chiefs. Maybe we'll see I trust
reeing Mahomes we'll see. None of the five, oddly, demonse,
I think, loved their games this weekend. The Eagles certainly
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didn't love how they played. The Ravens loved how they
played for fifty five minutes, then hated it. The Bills
feel the best, but don't love how their defense played,
The Chiefs hate how they played, and the Lions really
hate how they played. But of those five, I think
the Lions are in the most jeopardy. I think that,
and I think golf, you get them off his spot. Man,
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he can struggle, and they got him off his spot consistently.
I didn't know, go ahead.
Speaker 2 (56:33):
I was gonna say the Lions win total dropped to
eight and a half. They entered the season at ten
and a half. Do you think that?
Speaker 1 (56:41):
I think well, I think depending on the book. Some
books had them enduring the season at nine and a half,
and then they lose this game, like yeah, I mean,
the Lions right now are probably a coin flip to
make the playoffs in Vegas. Like that's I don't.
Speaker 2 (56:57):
Think that's the most reaction in one.
Speaker 1 (57:01):
Green Bay was favored because the game was in Green Bay.
But still I just but they were faired by like
one you know what I mean. So that game was
considered a coin flip. So I don't think it's just
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A right to demons. Let's see thirty seconds ish guaranteed
(58:04):
on each game, and then we'll you know, because we
have gone long. But I said I wanted to hit
something on every game, so let's hit them all go ahead.
Speaker 2 (58:12):
Uh, so we can help you. Wanted to start from
the top. We got Aaron Rodgers. Aaron Rodgers rolled Steelers
offense looked great. How real is this?
Speaker 1 (58:20):
I listen. I know Steelers fans want to believe the
defense letting Justin Fields look like a superstar and allowing
thirty points thirty that was a fluke. The offense looking amazing,
that was not a fluke. I think they were both
a little fluky. And I think that the defense will
be better the offense will be a little worse. I
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also thought Aaron's comments after the game was like, yeah,
I was happy to beat everyone in that organization. All
that organization did for two years was give you every
single thing you wanted. They hired your buddy, they traded
for your friends, They did every single thing they could
do to accommodate you. And you feel scorned because you
got fired, Like, give me a break, and this whole
(59:04):
thing of you had me fly out here to be fired.
If he had fired you over the phone, you would
have been justice pissed. So no, I am not yet
buying stock in the Steelers. I did think Justin Fields
played well.
Speaker 2 (59:17):
Next, your guy Bake show led a game winning drive Atlanta.
You're young way who missed a field goal to win
the game, Yah, or to tie the game. I'm sorry.
Speaker 1 (59:27):
Yeah, I didn't think Baker played great, but he did
play clutch. But the story of that game was a
Mecha Buka, their first round pick, who was caught the
game winner and was awesome. Like they they did something
I think interesting, which is they're like, we're not drafting
for need, We're drafting best player, and they thought of
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mecha Buka was awesome. Didn't matter that they have Godwin
at some point coming back and Mike Evans, they drafted
him anyway, and he made an instant impact. And I
love right now now. I love Tampa getting that win
without Tristan Wurfs against the only team in their division
that could have any chance of competing with them, and
getting it on the road. That is such a huge win.
(01:00:13):
So shout out to Baker.
Speaker 2 (01:00:14):
Next uh who looked better to you? Bow Nicks are
the number one pick and cam Ward.
Speaker 1 (01:00:19):
Listen, Cam Cam just has to stop throwing everything one
hundred and fifty miles an hour.
Speaker 2 (01:00:26):
Guards.
Speaker 1 (01:00:27):
I mean he's throwing it. He's throwing it over the
middle in front of guys as hard as he can.
So he's gotta calm down. That bow Nicks looks horrific.
And he made one good play at the end of
the half. But the story of that game is Bill
Callahan or Brian Callahan, pardon me who. It's six', three
(01:00:50):
there are forty seconds left in the first, half you
have the, Lead you're on your own five yard, line And,
denver and this is the, key only has two. Timeouts
so if you run the ball three times or even take,
knees you guarantee that you go into halftime with the.
Lead guarantee. It, instead he has Bow knicks drop back
(01:01:15):
into the. Air i'm, sorry Cam wore dropped back into
the end, zone almost get. Safety throw throwing completions and
They denver gets a touchdown before the. Half now somehow
they had a great kick, return so they got a
field goal. Anyway but so it's ten to nine before the,
half And denver feels great instead of being six' to
(01:01:37):
three With bow knicks being. A, MESS listen i told
you GUYS that I thought denver might have a good record.
Early on they could have lost, that game But the
denver's offense is not what people have promised you what
would be their defense Is And sean payton lay in
(01:01:58):
the game going for a style points touchdown that could
have cost him. The, game like IT'S just i do
not believe In. THE broncos i feel better About my
broncos fading even after the week.
Speaker 2 (01:02:07):
One win next only seem to Like. The Broncos your?
Jags won are you more In? On trevor you wore
a Heut.
Speaker 1 (01:02:14):
On bryce trevor. Was fine Bryce was bryce might have
been the worst quarterback in the league.
Speaker 2 (01:02:20):
This weekend see a little clips, Of him Sir k
morale on, the media like he's like watching the. Jumbo
tron they said he was looking at the mini game
in the middle of. THE game i.
Speaker 1 (01:02:29):
DID see I did wilds mention that. To me but
it was, a, really really really rough Game. For bryce
and he's the number one overall pick in. Year, three like,
come on gotta. Be better jags could. BE good i told,
you Guys. Division jacks jags could. Be good, oh yeah
that's one of. Your bets.
Speaker 2 (01:02:47):
Next decision Uh the raiders, look Good pat patriots. Look
awful what is the biggest? Story?
Speaker 1 (01:02:52):
HERE listen, I mean jent wasn't the reason gent nineteen
carries thirty. Eight yards gino stood in that socket and just,
delivered downfield threw for three to sixty got, you know threw,
a pick got lit up just through. Delivered Downfield the
patriots not being able to move the ball And that
raiders defense is a five alarm. Fire Concern And drake
(01:03:16):
may is officially, on Midwatch Like drake may Like not,
pumpkin watch because that's not the point where he's in.
His career he is on he might just not be.
That good and that was a very dispiriting performance From,
the patriots very dispiriting. For Them. THE raiders i told,
(01:03:40):
you Guys the raiders could be.
Speaker 2 (01:03:41):
Good Though, Next uh cincinnati got bailed Out by cleveland's.
Crummy Kicking is cincinnati slow starts or they come into? An?
Speaker 1 (01:03:49):
END no I mean i. THOUGHT this i thought they
were worse this year than when they Lost In new england.
Last year if You're, the bengals you have to feel
sick like you're happy. You won But the browns moved.
The ball the only And the browns didn't score more
was Two passes flacco threw off guy's hands that. Got
picked you Had the bengals had seven yards Yards to
monsey in the. Second half they had a seven yards,
(01:04:12):
second half like and it seems impossible because. They won
This Is joe burrow was in the exact opposite narrative category,
of mahomes, where like no matter what happens, with mahomes
people are gonna find a way to pick. At it
burrow's in. The opposite last year It for, burrow, was
(01:04:33):
well they, don't win but he's, been amazing so what
are you? Gonna say and then this week he was
awful but, they won and, they're, like well he didn't,
play well but, They won so what are you? Gonna,
SAY like i, don't know we gotta pick one like
the and SO No. I cincinnati cincinnati had the worst
win of. The, weekend Okay.
Speaker 2 (01:04:57):
So dave was Committed to russ for? Week two how
do you think he should play this if he plans
on keeping.
Speaker 1 (01:05:02):
HIS job i actually think he should Go. TO jamis
i think they don't want to Go to. DART yet
i think dark they want to give him like four
or five six weeks before they go. To Him but
russ is, clearly done so why not Go? To jamis let,
you Know give jamis a. Few games jamis might have a,
Big game he'll obviously at some point play himself out,
(01:05:24):
of it and then you can Go to dart because
they don't want To play. DART yet i understand.
Speaker 2 (01:05:29):
That the giants think they're going. To playoff there's the
playoff push this year saying like, Why, not Okay Like.
Speaker 1 (01:05:35):
Jackson, DART no i just think they Think maybe DART'S
not i. THINK they i think They want dart to
have another month of, like, practices, meetings film you KNOW what,
i mean all, that STUFF which. I understand but so
But if russ can't, Do It malik neighbors is freaking
out because. Of it that's what You have Jamis For
next rams Beat.
Speaker 2 (01:05:55):
The texans what was your biggest? Takeaway There.
Speaker 1 (01:05:59):
The techon's offense looked a lot Like the texans offhinse,
last year which was. Not good i'd be A little
i'd be A little texans, defense Unbelievable but i'd be
a little WORRIED about cj And that. Texans offense that's my.
Biggest takeaway and that's a game that was there for
the taking for them and they couldn't.
Speaker 2 (01:06:17):
Take it Is Is danny dimes. The next You Know
smith sam dornold quarterback. Revival, story Here is miami?
Speaker 1 (01:06:24):
JUST terrible I think miami's. JUST terrible i AM gonna.
I Listen daniel jones was unbelievable in. THAT game i
have to give, him CREDIT but i don't think anything
close to. That sustainable, we'll.
Speaker 2 (01:06:39):
See, Yeah yeah And Then tula tula came out, and, said,
like oh like we're still Upset with tyreek kill who
it needs to Be Begging terry hill to stay on.
Speaker 1 (01:06:47):
THAT team, I mean miami's got a lot, of Problems
AND daniel i would be checking, the policy, you know
the terms of my home or apartment lease to see
what the penalties for breaking it, early IS because i
don't know how much more Time in miami he's gonna.
Speaker 2 (01:07:05):
Have. Next uh the forty nine ers are dealing with
a handful of, big Injuries. Including party HOW should? I
Worry Should san francisco fans be that they're looking at
another season?
Speaker 1 (01:07:15):
From hell they should, be worried and they also might
need a new medical or training staff. Or whatever you
can't be the most injured team every single year in.
The league. It's, COINCIDENCE like i don't KNOW what i
don't understand anything about, sports medicine but you can't just
always have guys pulling groins and calves and hamstrings and
just keep the. Same trainers that's first, Of all second, of,
ALL party i will begrudgingly give him credit for the
(01:07:37):
final drive six for six in, the touchdown even though
that touchdown pass should have been picked immediate like. It
was it was a. Terrible Decision dree wooland had it
and didn't, get it and that would have been his
third pick and. They lost purdy was not very good in.
That game now we find out he was dealing with
an injury or a, couple injuries but now. NOTHING demonds
(01:07:57):
i am all of a sudden about to be A
Huge ue, niner fan oddly Because Somehow jimmy garoppolo Leaving
the niners and instantly being terrible for some people didn't.
Win Me The jimmy garoppolo ARGUMENT that i, Was, like
hey he's a product Of the. Shanahan system but do
you know who their backup Quarterback In san.
Speaker 2 (01:08:18):
Francisco Is It's.
Speaker 1 (01:08:22):
Mac jones Oh If mac jones starts and, looks great
then everyone has. To concede i've been right. All Along
If mac jones comes in and he's awesome or even,
just fine then that's gotta be my final piece. Of,
Evidence Also sam darnold fumbled what could have been a
(01:08:44):
game winning touchdown pass off his offensive lineman's ass just
dropped back the ball like nobody. Hit him he was
he just ran. His hand he. Was terrible they could.
Speaker 2 (01:08:54):
Have. Won Next Uh. Saints, CARDINALS yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:09:00):
I did watch SOME because i Had the cardinals. AND
survivor i wouldn't feel GREAT if i Were. THE cardinals
i would feel really Bad if I'm. The saints flat.
All right and by, the Way quick nick's Tennis corner
carlos alcaz told, you. Guys listen i'm not saying He
and center aren't a good rivalry. This MOMENT what i
(01:09:22):
am saying is he is a different tier and caliber.
Of player alcarez could end his career in the top
top top, tier Discussion, and center to me is just
a tick. Beneath that That's all like rate, Subscribe review
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