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Nick Wright recaps Week 14 of the NFL season, starting with Patrick Mahomes, Travis Kelce, and the Kansas City Chiefs' crushing Sunday Night Football loss vs. CJ Stroud's Houston Texans. Is it all but over for KC this season? Then, Nick breaks down the wild Monday Night Football game between Justin Herbert's Los Angeles Chargers and Jalen Hurts' Philadelphia Eagles and what it means for both teams going forward. How big of a problem is Jalen Hurts for the Eagles? After, Nick discusses why it's now or never for Josh Allen and the Buffalo Bills to get to the Super Bowl, the struggles of Lamar Jackson and the Baltimore Ravens, and Shedeur Sanders conspiracies. Later, Nick and Damonza answer your questions. #Volume

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Welcome in What's Driving the Grid Episode four oh one.
First four hundred episodes of this show, we did the
Chiefs were the pre eminent contender in the NFL. Episode
four oh one is our first show with the Chiefs
out of contention almost entirely. It's a brave new world
for the rest of this NFL season, and we'll get

(00:23):
all into it. This episode of What's Right with the
Grid is presented to you by boost Mobile demands, how
are you great? To see you look fantastic? I'm doing
Rested is now officially one month old. The all right,
this is really embarrassing, and I you know, I have
strengths and weakness since as a parent now also a grandparent.

(00:47):
Is her birthday November eighth or ninth? It's the ninth,
the ninth. Okay, that's what I thought. That's what I thought.
But I got one month old pictures yesterday. It was
the eighth, and I was born.

Speaker 2 (01:01):
Like was this and a half? Yeah you, but yeah,
she was born.

Speaker 1 (01:09):
She was born in the middle of the night the
eighth into the ninth. Got it, Okay, good, I have it. Okay,
that's what I thought. Feel better about it. That picture,
the pictures of your baby were really the only good
things I got this weekend, So that was good, and
people did seem to like the way we opened First

(01:30):
Things First yesterday. I don't know who votes on Sports Emmys,
but if Sports Emmys are voted on by quote tweets,
We're crushing. We're gonna We're gonna annihilate it. Uh So
we do have to get to the Kansady Chiefs. We
do have to get to uh an unbelievable Monday night

(01:51):
football game. And I'm just telling you. I said this
off the air, I'm saying it on the air now.
Misery loves company and there is no silver lining to
this Chief season. But the only way that I'll be
able to survive it is I might turn into the

(02:13):
next few months a world class hater. I'm just letting
everyone know. I'm letting listen. I've got the I have
some carve outs. I have a soft spot in my
heart for Matt Stafford in the Rams. I obviously like
Baker and the Bucks, the Prince and the Jags. Sneaky

(02:33):
just winning games. And you know what, I've always said
that I do believe at some point the Buffalo Bills
are gonna get over and no better time than now.
And again, the hater in me also feels like having

(02:54):
the yeah but yeah, but you won the super Bowl
the year Mahomes wasn't in the playoffs. It's like any
super like. Uh So those teams I feel good about
and I can see myself pulling for once the playoffs begin.
Everybody else, but most notably the Philadelphia Eagles. Folks, we're

(03:22):
our ship is sinking together. Baltimore Ravens, you're you might
be overboard before me. Cincinnati Bengals. I don't even really
think about the Bengals anymore, but they did beat the
Chiefs once upon a time in a playoff game. You
got nine losses already, the we're all we are all

(03:46):
falling together. I got nothing against the Lions, but you
know what they're in, so they're fine. We'll get into
all of it. And then, but most notable, well, it
doesn't matter, we'll get into all of it. We'll talk
about the Chiefs in a second. First, this episode of
What's Right and the Card is brought to you by
Boost Mobile and Straight to Voicemail, of course, is brought
to you by Boost Mobile. And I do I'm not

(04:08):
gonna do the thing I did a couple of weeks
ago where the Chiefs lost, and then I didn't lead
with the Chiefs. But I am gonna spend ninety seconds
on the college football Playoff because I thought Miami should
get in over Notre Dame. I also thought though Notre
Dame had an argument to get in over Alabama. But
this is and Jokic's past, Jordan and crisis. Josh Hard

(04:29):
hands off his kid to Mitchell Robinson. But just real quick,
Oh that's adorable. I love that. I like I like
that picture a lot. Go ahead.

Speaker 3 (04:41):
Oh no, I just said the baby on the shoh yeah,
give me ninety seconds hear in the college football Playoff
because I just want to get on the record about this,
and we'll put this on the internet if we want to.

Speaker 1 (04:55):
I supported expanding the playoff from four to twelve, not
because there were ever going to be twelve deserving teams,
but because of a year just like this year, where
there is one unimpeachable team that obviously deserves to be
there in Indiana, and then more than three teams that

(05:21):
have an argument they should be included in a chance
to win the national championship, those being, of course, Ohio State, Georgia,
Texas Tech, Oregon, Ole Miss. And there's one more that
I'm forgetting. Uh who was the who was the seventh seed?

(05:43):
Was it Oklahoma? The I should have oh, A and
M pardon me A and M and I give the
and Oklahoma throw them in as well. The whole reason
for expanding the playoff, apologies to my friends today and
him my buddy John Lopez, was to make sure you're
not having to choose between Texas Tech and Oregon. The

(06:06):
whole reason of expanding the playoffs was to make sure
that you're not having to choose between Ole Miss and Georgia,
even though that wouldn't have been given what Georgia did
that hard of a decision. The point of the playoff
was not to make sure a team with Miami or
Texas or Notre Dame or BYU or Alabama's resume gets in.

(06:32):
So any of those teams that get in, just be
happy about it. And any of those teams you are
if you are arguing we were tenth, then you've lost.
So I just don't care about Notre Dame versus Miami
versus Alabama. Because the point of the playoff was not

(06:55):
to accommodate them. The point of the playoff was to
make sure that Texas Tech doesn't get left out for
Oregon or vice versa. The playoff has accomplished that, so
that's what matters here. You expand from four to twelve
to make sure years like this year, where there are

(07:17):
six or seven teams that have a legitimate claim their
top four, all of them get in. That's why you
do it everyone else. And it's not to say one
of those teams can't somehow peel a championship. Ohio State
did it last year, duck not. The point point is

(07:39):
you did not expand the playoff to accommodate the Miamis
and Notre Dames of twenty twenty five. You expanded the
playoff to make sure the Ole miss and Oregons of
twenty twenty five didn't get left out. Okay, like rate
subscribe review please. The Chiefs are six and seven.

Speaker 2 (08:08):
Demosey, Yeah, it's grim. They have lost now four of
their last five after that game with Houston. This is
the first time I think it kind of looked like
the cold was effecting the Chiefs. Old line was cook
Kelsey had some drops, Rice had some drops, Mahomes was
limping around. Is there any type of silver lining or

(08:28):
any type of hope that you're holding on to after
this last game through the end of the season, All.

Speaker 1 (08:35):
Right, Well, listen. The hope is like, do they have
a path to the playoffs? And the answer is yes technically,
but and the simplest way to explain their path to
the playoffs and then we'll get into what has happened.
But let me just get this out of the way.

(08:55):
They have to go four and zero home Chargers at Titans, home,
Broncos at Raiders. The Colts can't go three and one.
Not worried about that. They're they're I mean, they're thinking
about starting Philip Rivers. So the Colts part of it,
to me is easy because the Colts have Seahawks, Niners, Jags, Texans.

(09:21):
So the the let's just say the Colts are out
and then the Chargers have to go either zero to
four or one in three, with one of the losses
being to Denver in Week eighteen. The simplest way to

(09:43):
look at can the Chiefs make the playoffs is they
have to beat the Chargers this weekend. They then have
to beat the Titans the Broncos and the Raiders, and
the Chargers have to then lose to Denver and Wi
week eighteen and to either the Texans or the Cowboys

(10:06):
in week sixteen seventeen. If that happens, the Chiefs make it.
And when I lay it out that way, I can
tell by the look on Demanda's face it doesn't seem impossible.
It's like, Okay, Chiefs gotta beat the Chargers, the Titans
and the Raiders are awful home game against the Broncos.

(10:28):
They could do it. And then for the Chargers, can
they lose to Denver in week eighteen and to either
the Texans or the Cowboys. It's like, oh, maybe, Like yeah,
that's possible. The problem is this, as evidenced by the

(10:49):
Chiefs game Sunday night, the Chiefs are not a reliable
team right now. And they lost Sunday Night for ten
different reasons, and they were all little microcosms for what's

(11:20):
happened all season long that has put them in this
position in no particular order, just kind of running list right.
Bad special teams for the first time of this era.
That missed field goal at the end of the first
half ended up being absolutely brutal particularly because if they

(11:44):
were up thirteen to ten instead of tied ten to ten,
they wouldn't have gone for that fourth and one, which
then leads me to some very shaky situational coaching from Andy.
At times, it feels like he has been more aggressive

(12:05):
than not. It feels like he has been way more
aggressive than any year than years past, yet oddly passive
in the Cowboys game when both teams are moving the
ball up and down the field, and then insanely aggressive
in the Texans game when that Texans offense was dead

(12:28):
on arrival in the second half, like that going for
that fourth down when at that moment Chris Jones has
taken over the game entirely is I hated it in
real time. I don't care what the analytical model said.

(12:48):
The flow of that game. The Texans were not scoring
again and the Chiefs didn't need to do that. I
love Andy, but that was a mistake, so that bit
them in this game. I mentioned Chris Jones. He was
unreal in the second half of this football game. But
the fact that the Chiefs all year long have only

(13:11):
been able to generate any type of quarterback pressure when
Chris Jones is dominant is a collective failure. I don't
know how many times I've talked to Monsey about third
and longs. They gave up a third and sixteen in

(13:32):
this game they gave up Listen, the third and ten
that they gave up on the pass interference was shaky,
but they gave up a third and eight previously, like
third and long defense was a problem. I'm not Patrick's
game was odd because obviously the stat line is the

(13:54):
stat line, and he missed some throws. I also thought
he had some heroic moments and was the least of
our problems. But he did throw that pit the second pick.

(14:15):
He threw the one in the second half on third
and six deep down the field Hollywood, Brown's open, and
he underthrows him. The inability to get on the same
page on the deep ball has been a problem all year,
and when he has gotten on the same page, like
the bomb to Taekwan Thornton, the perfect sixty yard pass,

(14:38):
Thornton doesn't reel it in. Kelsey has actually been really
good this year. He's he's second in I think amongst
Titans and yards and catches, but his bad moments have
been awful. The drop against Philly that flipped that game,
the drop against the Texans that ended this game, the

(15:04):
total inability to have any run game other than from
Patrick Mahomes aside from Kareem Hunting, the Colts game has
been a killer. Patrick's led them in rushing four times
this year. They're owing four in those games all and
so going into this game, you knew the offensive line

(15:25):
was a problem. They were down three starters. In the
first play of the game, one of the backups went down.
But honestly, the third string kid that came in as
a pole, I think is how you say his name?
It's p O l E, but I don't think it's
pronounced pole played really well. And the Chiefs game plan,
knowing it was not the quick, quick, quick. They didn't

(15:48):
lose because the offensive line was in shambles. They lost
because they haven't executed. And this is this is Demand's

(16:08):
why I was so adamant all of last year that
I did not care what the advanced stats said that
that was a great team because winning in the NFL,
we haven't solved it yet through success rate and EPA

(16:30):
per play and DVOA, we just haven't. And it's one
of the beautiful things about Pro football is. It hasn't
been sabermetric to the way baseball has where we just
know everything. And last year's team, yes, of course there

(16:51):
were some lucky bounces, and yes, of course there were
a couple of few wins that could have been losses.
But overall that team understood, like a great tennis player does,
the four or five highest leverage leverage moments of a match,

(17:12):
and that's when they execute their best. This year, this
Chiefs team has been the exact opposite, and I can go.
I can Week one, after being thoroughly outplayed, you have
the Chargers in a third and fifteen to get the

(17:34):
ball back and Chris Jones doesn't keep containing Herbert runs
and you lose. Week two, you're about to take the
lead on the goal line and Kelsey doesn't secure the ball,
tips it up and it's intercepted the the loss to

(17:57):
the Jags. Patrick doesn't see a lurking d lineman with
a chance to put the game away. It gets picked
sixth and they lose. The loss. Against the Broncos, you

(18:18):
have bow Nicks in a third and eight with a
fourth quarter lead, and you let him complete an easy
pass over the middle of the field. This has happened
all year, and the Texans game was no different. Fourth

(18:47):
and one tie game, ten minutes left, brutal, cold arrowhead
on fire on your own thirty against a team that
has not scored in an hour, hour and a half
of real time, and you ran a play with no
threat of a run against the best pass Russian football.

(19:10):
That's how you lose. And so that's just that's just
where they're at. And I'm not going to where I
will and I don't know if people want to hear
this or not where I will give myself credit, I guess,

(19:31):
but not really credit. This is just more an indictment
on how other people I think either do sports fandom
or media. I'm not going to make any of the
excuses that people made in the other direction when the

(19:55):
Chiefs were winning. I'm not good like I'm not blaming
the reps for the best pass interference call that it
led to seven Texans points. Bad calls happen. I'm not
saying it's bad luck. I'm not saying this is actually
deep down a great team. They're not. And I talked
I don't know how much content I did after the

(20:16):
Cowboys game. You didn't hear you're not. You didn't hear
me say one thing about the officials, because it's the NFL. Man,
there's up and down officiating every single week. You bake
that in. If you're not a loser, you don't create
a stupid conspiracy theory and you deal with it. And

(20:38):
that is that's where they're at now. With all that said, Demons,
if they beat the Chargers on Sunday, a flicker of
hope will return, Yeah, because I will. Now there is

(21:05):
a very real possibility of a cruel circumstance staring at me,
which is because again, nothing if the Chargers beat that. Obviously,

(21:30):
if the Chargers beat the Chiefs, the Chiefs are dead,
but the Chargers could lose their next three, and if
they beat the Broncos, the Chiefs are dead, just dead.
I think technically there is a different possibility of the
whole like AFC South imploding, but I don't think that's

(21:53):
a real like I'm that involves like the Cardinals and
the Raiders winning games like so that for all intents
and purposes, if the Chargers beat the Broncos, the chief
season's over. And that's in week that's in week eighteen,
and my so that's the So that's what I've tried

(22:17):
to game out in my head of do I think
it's likely the Broncos are not playing for something that week?
So let's actually, you know what, let's just real quick
talk this out right now. Let's do it, because what
what we know is the Broncos have at least right

(22:46):
now well so, but I don't know if that's good
for the Chiefs or not. So here's the deal. If
we're assuming, obviously none of this matters if the Chiefs
don't beat the Broncos, so that puts the Broncos at
three losses. We need Denver to be playing for I can't,

(23:13):
you know what, there's no way to figure this out,
to be honest with you, because there's too many unknown
tiebreakers because Denver and the Patriots didn't play head to head.
Right now, when Denver and the pats are have the
same record, the Broncos have the tiebreaker. But so let me.

Speaker 2 (23:44):
This kind of seems like what you're saying.

Speaker 1 (23:46):
Yeah, I think I think here's what I But here's
where I don't. Would wouldn't want them to win their
next two. I wouldn't want them to win their next too.
If the Patriots are about to go on a bit
of a swoon, and then it gives the Broncos the
possibility of having the one seed locked up going The
worst case scenario is the Broncos have the one seed

(24:08):
locked up going into Week eighteen. That's a disaster. The
So this isn't good podcast content. I'm not going to
spend more time on this. What I the because I
can't figure out the exact you know, ramifications right what
I so? What would be the Chiefs? So the point

(24:32):
that I was trying to make was, after all of
the trash I've talked on the eleven and two Broncos
all year, if they end up being so good that
not only do they win the division, but they are
able to rest players and that costs the Chiefs a
spot in the tournament, which again, for that to even

(24:55):
be a possibility, Kansas City's gotta win all of the
rest of their games. That would be a That'd be
a cruel mistress, I'll tell you that much. But it's
a position they've put themselves in. Now, I do want
to say one more thing demands before we get to
the other stuff, which is the how does this impact

(25:19):
the Mahomes goat stuff, and I'm going to try to
do this quickly, but I I don't even think it
is debatable what I'm about to say. It's just very
simple kind of how linear time works. Okay, even when

(25:44):
missing the playoffs this year, if they do, Patrick Mahomes,
by any metric that you choose, stats, wins, postseason success,
championshipschampionship appearances, by any metric, has had the greatest first

(26:07):
eight years as a starter or first nine years of
his career of any player in league history, of any quarterback.
That is not a debate. That is just what the
numbers are now. Obviously, in his quest to become the goat,

(26:31):
you have to incorporate two realities. One is the guy
he's chasing beat him twice in the playoffs, and he'll
never be able to beat him because he's long retired.
That hurts. And the other one is the guy he's
chasing played so incredibly long and had such an unbelievable

(26:58):
final ten years that it is unrealistic to think Patrick
will play nearly as long as Tom, and so he
needed and needs to rack up accomplishments early and really
be ahead of the pace because almost he's I don't

(27:21):
think he's going to play ut at least forty five.
So all of that is just factually true, and so
in that regard, this season hurts him a lot. But
one can acknowledge that while also acknowledging that the idea

(27:47):
that Tom Brady or those Pats never had dips or
maybe not a season quite like this, but to that
in a moment is erroneous. Patrick has been a starter
for eight years. Let's assume they missed the playoffs this year.

(28:12):
In those eight years, Patrick has more playoff wins eight years.
Is a starter. Side by side Patrick and Tom, they
have the same number of Super Bowl wins. Patrick has
more playoff wins, regular season wins, playoff appearances, regular season MVPs,

(28:40):
Super Bowl MVPs. In those eight seasons, Tom missed the
playoffs twice. Patrick has missed the playoffs potentially once. In
those eight seasons, there were three years where Tom's team

(29:04):
I'm sorry, two years where Tom's team did not win
a playoff game, and three years where Tom's team did
not make the conference championship game, and Patrick's eight years. Again,
assuming they missed the playoffs, there will be one year
where they didn't want a playoff game and one year

(29:24):
where they didn't make the conference championship game. Now people
listening to this are yelling two things. Well, one of
those years Tom was hurt. Unfair to use that against him.
It's totally true, and I'm not using it against him.
I am simply doing linear time. First eight seasons, here's

(29:48):
what they did. And while you wouldn't use the year
he was hurt and they missed the playoffs against him,
you also certainly are not going to be like that
helps him, like that the year he didn't play helps him.
The other thing people say with regularity is well the
two year when they missed the playoffs in won nine games,

(30:12):
Tom wasn't Tom. Okay, I mean, that's that's an okay
opinion to have, but it is a weird opinion to have.
If the argument, if you are trying to make the
argument that through eight years, Tom was better, then I

(30:34):
don't think you can make the argument that year two
of that timeline doesn't count because year two Patrick was
so much better than year two Tom. That doesn't make sense. Now,
if the argument is at the beginning, Tom wasn't his
fully for himself, and when he became his fully for himself.
They never had a year like this. That is true.

(30:55):
That cuts in both directions, though, because if you're saying
that early Tom doesn't get knocked for a nine and
seven season because he wasn't really Tom Brady yet, then
you can't then also be like, but all of the
accomplishments count with the same way he does, Like the

(31:16):
Super Bowls count for him, the misplayoffs and count against him.
I'm not gonna do any of that. I'm simply gonna
line up the eight years next to each other, and
Patrick's first eight years, by any way you cut it,
even with this year included, outstripped Tom's first eight years. Now. Again,

(31:38):
the obvious argument against that is, yeah, but do you
think Patrick's next fifteen are gonna look like Tom's? That's
gonna be very, very difficult, But we're not there yet.
And what I would also add is this, you know
who also didn't think their next that the second decade

(32:02):
of his career was gonna look like it did for
Tom Brady. Tom Brady and the Patriots, because twenty eleven
to twenty eighteen was the Pats run that comes closest
that actually outstrips. Now this Chiefs run twenty eleven to

(32:23):
twenty eighteen. So the Patriots had one to seven seven years,
three four super Bowl appearances, three championships the Chiefs eighteen
to twenty five seven years, five super Bowl appearances, three
championships the Patriots in that time, or eighteen to twenty four,

(32:44):
I should have said for the Chiefs. Patriots in that
time missed the playoffs once, didn't make the conference championship
game two times. The Chiefs missed playoff zero times, didn't
make the conference championship games zero times. And then there's
the Patriot run of eleven to eighteen that the Chiefs
had been chasing eight straight conference championship games, the only

(33:07):
streak longer than the Chiefs won. Right now, five super
Bowl appearances same as the Chiefs, three super Bowl victories,
same as the Chiefs. If the Chiefs missed the playoffs
this year, then this eight year run they also went
to three straight Super Bowls like the Chiefs did, then
this eight eight year run falls just short of that one.
But notice the timeline I did demanse was one to

(33:32):
seven and then eleven to eighteen. And the reason I
did that, and this is again, if people are interested
in being having a real discussion about the resume side
by side, You then have to include that in two

(33:55):
thousand and eight, two thousand and nine, and twenty ten,
Tom Brady and the New England Patriots in those three
years won a total of zero playoff games. So the
only reason I bring that up is, let's assume the

(34:15):
Chiefs missed the playoffs this year in year eight. I mean,
it's the The symmetry of this is kind of crazy.
Tom Brady in his seventh year as a starter, walked
onto the field in the Super Bowl attempting to win

(34:36):
his fourth championship and cement that team as the greatest
team in the history of the league. They lost, and
the next year was a season from hell because Tom
got his knee blown out in Week one. The next

(34:57):
year they won ten game and got beat by twenty
in the wild card round of the playoffs. And the
next year they were the number one seed and lost
to Mark Sanchez at home in their first playoff game,
and then they started the eleven to eighteen eight straight

(35:18):
conference championship game run. Patrick Mahomes, in his seventh year
as a starter, walked onto the field trying to win
his fourth Super Bowl and knowing if we win this game,
we are the greatest team of all time. They lost,
and the following year was a season from hell. He

(35:39):
didn't get hurt, but it looks like they're going to
miss the playoffs again if Brady is following the Mahomes timeline.
If Mahomes is following the Brady timeline, that would mean
the Chiefs don't win a playoff game again until twenty
twenty eight. That the next two years they don't win

(36:02):
a playoff game. I don't think that's gonna happen. I
also don't think Patrick's gonna play twenty four years. I
don't think their careers are going to be identical moving forward.
But through eight years, it's stunning how similar the overall
team's success has been. And the Patriots after that seven

(36:24):
season and then the eight season had to do a
bit of a reboot. We'll see what the Chiefs have
to do. So that is the full version of it.
I that's where we're at, and we'll see if they

(36:48):
pull me back in with a win Sunday against the Chargers.
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or Virginia. All right, before we get to Monday night football,
demand's let's talk a little AFC title window.

Speaker 2 (38:39):
The Bills are now the favorite to win in the
AFC after their win over the Bengals. Following them are
the Broncos and the Patriots, but those are obviously younger
teams with those newer quarterbacks. If Kansas City misses the playoffs,
who is the favorite to win in the AFC or
who has the most pressure to win in the AFC.
Let's say it's the bell I.

Speaker 1 (38:57):
Mean, it's not. Yeah, it's the Bills by a country mind. Yeah,
the Bills have to make the Super Bowl this year.
It's not even that's not a hot take. That's not complex.
It is if they walk into the playoffs and the

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Ravens aren't there, and Joe Burrow's not there and Patrick
Mahomes isn't there, they have to come out of it.
They have lost in the playoffs to Joe and Patrick

(39:44):
five consecutive years. Twenty twenty AFC Championship game to Patrick,
twenty twenty one, thirteen second game, Divisional Round to Patrick
twenty twenty two in their stadium in the snow, to
Joe twenty twenty three, Divisional Round game in their stadium,

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to Patrick, twenty twenty four AFC Championship game at Arrowhead
to Patrick. If they go to the postseason and standing
between them is Bo Knicks, is Denver Broncos second year
stud first playoff appearance, Drake May the Prince and the Jags,

(40:35):
a more abund offense in Houston who already beat them once,
and whoever the hell comes out of the AFC north
forty two year old Aaron Rodgers and the Steelers, and
then the Chargers and Justin Herbert, you have to make

(40:59):
the super Bowl. And I'm telling you right now, Demansey,
they would be my pick. They've got it. Josh is
playing great. This is the moment. They would be my pick.
Nobody wants to play them. Wild is pretending like he's

(41:21):
not scared. He's petrified. And the it would be it
would be a catastrophe for Buffalo to not make the
super Bowl. And they look listen that the that game

(41:45):
they played against Cincinnati, that's just what they get. It's
just gotta be Josh Allen, Live or die with your
bro will just you know, crazy rhinoceros Josh Allen, and
he looks awesome, and he the rollercoaster will be back
to a degree. He'll have some ups and downs. But

(42:05):
I they shouldn't need here's the here's how I would
see it playing out. They shouldn't need monster Josh Allen
performance to go to Pittsburgh and win in round one.
That should just happen. They should just be able to

(42:28):
pretty methodically beat them round two. And then if the
let's just say the Seeds hold and you play Denver
and New England in round two and three, or New
England and Denver and round two and three like you know,
don't know which round round two. Whoever, whenever you play

(42:51):
bow Nicks, Josh should just be able to make just
that's it. Don't make mistakes. See if bo Knicks can
you know, make enough plays? Yes, great defense, and then
against against the Patriots, I think he'd have to go superhero.

(43:13):
I think he can do it. And it's just such
a go ahead.

Speaker 2 (43:21):
They're plus three seventy five to in the AFC.

Speaker 1 (43:24):
Yeah, which makes them like co favorites. They're my they're
my pick right now. And here is the insane thing
about the NFL this year to last year. Here's the
full list of monse of teams that won twelve or
more games last year and their current situation. The Detroit

(43:47):
Lions currently out of the playoffs, the Kansas City Chiefs
currently out of the playoffs, the Philadelphia Eagles in the
midst of a crisis, the Minnesota Vikings awful, the Buffalo Bills,
pause on them, the Baltimore Ravens disaster, and the Washington

(44:13):
Commanders season from hell. Seven teams won twelve or more
games last year. Two of them, Minnesota and Washington, are dead.
Another two Kansas City and Baltimore are hanging on for

(44:34):
dear life. Detroit is trying to scrape its way in
Philadelphia is in the midst of a free fall, and
Buffalo's sitting right there. It could not be better set
up for them. And that's why I am not taking

(44:58):
Josh Allen going to his press conference and saying never
a doubt as a shot at me. I'm taking it
as he's trying to usher as much good karma as possible.
And you know what, I'm good with it. You know,

(45:19):
if it, if it's gotta be anybody, I'm glad it's
them actually, like they deserve it now the Rams. We're
not talking to ANYFC right now. A bunch of NFC
teams deserve it and are good enough. But just talking
about the AFC. All right, let's go over to the

(45:40):
NFC demanse.

Speaker 2 (45:42):
Uh So, it's your first time rooting for the Eagles
last night and it went pretty poorly because they lost
the game. I don't know how many turnovers they had
that game, but that was that was one of the
craziest games ever see in my life. How bad are
things in Philly after last night?

Speaker 1 (45:56):
I mean bad enough that the headline for the Philly
Inquirer today is should they bench Jalen Hurts for Tanner McKee.

Speaker 2 (46:03):
So that's pretty bad rough over there, man right.

Speaker 1 (46:14):
I know nobody wants to hear this from me today,
but I owe the audience honesty, and even if this
ole piss off people that already don't like me, so
be it, because I think deep down everybody knows it,

(46:36):
particularly people on the team. The Eagles have a jail
and Hurts problem. He for some reason does not trust
himself on quick decisions, and because of that, the offense

(46:59):
does not function properly. And then a game like last
night comes around where he makes a mistake and its
snowballs in honestly cartoonish fashion. I mean, the guy had
thrown two picks on the year. He threw four yesterday,

(47:20):
including it's first and ten in overtime inside the red zone,
and he makes a hero play and they lose the
game because of it. So I don't know, like you

(47:40):
can't have this much? Is some wrong with the offense?
Is some wrong with the offense? Aj Brown sounding that alarm?
None of his teammates know what we didn't hear from
any of the Eagles, is man? Aj needs to shut up.
We're fine. It sure felt like a lot of the

(48:04):
teammates were like, man, I'm glad he's taking those bullets
because there is something wrong.

Speaker 2 (48:07):
With him exactly.

Speaker 1 (48:09):
Yeah, you go three and out more than any team
on a percentage basis in the NFL in the last decade.
You have all this talent and it can't just be
Kevin Petula. It can't be. And I understand Jalen was
unbelievable in the Super Bowl. I understand Jalen has had

(48:30):
some truly spectacular, huge games. There's no there's no denying there.
But the comp I have used repeatedly I will continue
to use, and it's not they are. It's not identical,
but it's a lot of similarities. The comp for Jalen

(48:51):
Hurts and this era of Eagles football is Russell Wilson
and the Legion of Doom, the lead of Boom Seahawks.
Great on the deep shot, good with his legs, good
in the short stuff, shaky in the intermediate, great defense, winner,

(49:18):
great running game, wins the Super Bowl, loses the Super
Bowl Jalen did in the reverse order, and for some
reason or another, the team doesn't seem to fully vibe
with him.

Speaker 2 (49:31):
Yeah, they have a bunny in the locker room. I
feel like.

Speaker 1 (49:38):
My positivity rabbit. I thought that was a joke when
I saw that someone one of our first things. First,
one of the producers texted that, I think it was
Dusty Moo's an Eagles fan.

Speaker 2 (49:50):
He thought he got stats. I thought what he thought
he got sent tailed or something like it was a
fake Twitter tells.

Speaker 1 (49:58):
Yes exactly. I was like annoyed by it when he
sent it to me. I'm like, god, I was like, either.

Speaker 2 (50:06):
I checked this stuff, man, correct.

Speaker 1 (50:09):
I thought one of two things. I thought either Dusty
got duped by the most obvious fake news ever, or
he was sending a joke. And then I realized it
was real.

Speaker 2 (50:26):
Came out. Yeah, man, and if it works, it works.
It didn't work last night though.

Speaker 1 (50:32):
No, And now here's the Chargers side of this is interesting,
and I never here's the this is so I'm about
to do something very unfair and borderline unprofessional. I'm just like, no, now,

(50:53):
but I own the show, so we don't we own
the show?

Speaker 2 (50:57):
Demons brace myself.

Speaker 1 (51:00):
No, it's not gonna be. It's not what you think.
I have a great justin Herbert take great ten out
of ten.

Speaker 2 (51:10):
I honestly feel like I kind of know where you're
going with it. But what I won't be guessed or anything.

Speaker 1 (51:15):
But no, because here's the deal. Like I said, I'm
gonna be a like world class hater these next few months.
And this isn't hating on Justin Herbert. I know that

(51:35):
I am going to be talking Justin Herbert with Justin
Herbert's number one media apologist, Danny Parkins in about five
and a half hours, and I don't want him to
have any extra time to prepare for my argument. So

(51:57):
I'm saving my Justin Herbert take. I'm telling you guys,
So that is that I to our wonderful sponsors, to
all our partners, I promise I'll make up for it,
but I it is too important to me to try
to really wamboozle Danny in a few hours that I
don't want. I don't want. He already has an advantage

(52:21):
of seeing the to the TV for the first two
hours of First Things First, get an idea of where
I'm at on stuff. But the too long, didn't read
short version of it is it's very, very difficult to
square the circle of Justin Herbert's biggest critics could not

(52:47):
hate that game from him last night, and Justin Herbert's
biggest supporters cannot love that game from him last night.
That's the short version of it. But he's he has
now put himself in position, as we talked about earlier
for the Chargers, where all they have to do is

(53:08):
not collapse, and he gets a chance at playoff redemption
and he will be Oh this job. I just realized something.
There's a decent possibility that the playoff game we get
if the Chargers make it is Chargers Jags part two

(53:35):
in the playoffs and part four of the regular of
their whole careers. And Trevor's three and zero. Oh, that
would be unbelievable. That would be unbelievable. That's Hobby.

Speaker 2 (53:51):
No, you go, you know, he's kind of he's hurt
right now, like I just and then come that like
the I don't know he's playing. He's playing the Texans
and a couple weeks he's he's got some tough stuff ahead.

Speaker 1 (54:02):
But yeah, tough stufed cheap Chiefs up next. I thought
he was gritty as hell yesterday with the running. Yeah,
it was unbelievable the way he his statline was what
it was, but.

Speaker 2 (54:13):
Always great, did what needed to be done.

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Speaker 2 (55:26):
So my Ravens are slipping further and further out of
the picture with a divisional loss to the Steelers. After
the loss to the Steelers, Lamar said that the frustration
level was through the roof. He still thinks that we
can we can maybe slip in there if we went
out with these last four games. I am, yeah, I
think we can. I don't know how the math and

(55:46):
stuff works, but I know that we're not completely out
of it. And let's win these four games and see
what can happen out of there. And I am gonna
blame the refs. I am the type of person that
was what are you doing? Especially Tye say likely somebody
that's had some questionable history, I guess over the last
year and a half, Like, why do that dude? Where's
he going to go? What are you talking about? A

(56:07):
football move? What do I need to make a football
move for him? Already in the end zone, there's nowhere
else to go, but.

Speaker 1 (56:16):
No listen, So here's the thing on that specific call.
And you know, I hate replay, hate replaying sports. It's
made sports worse. They promised us with NFL intone replay
that the call in the field would have precedent and

(56:37):
it would only be overturned if it was clear and obvious.
The NFL, by the way, then added this year like, hey,
even better expedited replay and that's just going to fix
obvious errors in the Chiefs Texans game X. But the
ref the call in the field was correct about a spot.
Expedited replay came in and was like no, no, no,

(57:00):
he got the first down. And then Andy was like,
you gotta be kidding me, challenged, and then the refts
were like our bad expedited replay was wrong. So the
replay creep has gotten so massive to where it was
like replay only will be for the Vinny Testaverdi. We
thought his helmet was the football. We gave him a

(57:22):
touchdown mistakes, and now it's like we're just gonna get
buzzed down and base calls off vibes. So I hate,
I hate it. My opinion on the likely thing is
whatever the call on the field was should have stood.

(57:43):
So I do think it was close, and had they
called it incomplete, I would have argued it should have
stayed incomplete, right, But for them to call that a
touchdown and then overturn it, I think it's incorrect. So
I agree with you that you guys got screwed on
that call. Yeah, but that's not the problem for Baltimore.

(58:04):
No problem for Baltimore is they're not good and Lamar
is playing terribly. And something lost in the weeds of
this past weekend was that two minute drill Lamar attempted
to run on Sunday was an abomination. They had the
ball with a minute fifty six and two timeout and

(58:26):
a timeout pardon me, at the twenty six yard line
and they had gone eight yards and there was forty
five seconds left and they had used their timeout. They
got the ball with two minutes and a timeout and
they ran out of time.

Speaker 2 (58:44):
I think we ended up. It was just it was
like a we weren't gonna be able to staff the
ball in time or something like that. I feel like
we're a far off line and how to use the timeout.
Are you just saying like we shouldn't have been there
to Yeah, No, what I'm.

Speaker 1 (58:57):
Saying is it's lamar job to understand. I can't. I
can't start this drive on the twenty six with a
minute fifty six left and one timeout, and then three
minutes of real time later be on the thirty four
with forty five seconds left to no timeouts. Something disastrous

(59:20):
has happened. Yeah, listen, Man, Lamar has been bad since
he came back from the injury, and Harbaugh doesn't know
what buttons to push. And even if they sneak into
the playoffs, they are getting clocked in round one. I
have no faith in that team at all, none. Like
the only reason they they have a better path to

(59:45):
the playoffs than Kansas City. But the reason that I
will hold off the tiniest bit of hope is because
Kansas City has been such a dominant playoff team. Baltimore's
been the opposite. Now, maybe you could a argue, oh,
this year, if they make it, it's gonna be the inverse.
Bad in the regular season, awesome in the playoffs. At least.

(01:00:06):
The Chiefs have two games this year, the Ravens game
and the Lions games. Like, Man, we were awesome on
both sides of the ball for sixty minutes. The Ravens
have zero games this year. We're like, man, we feel
great about how both sides of the ball played. The
closest they came to it was their win against the
Bears and Lamar didn't play. So I don't know what's

(01:00:29):
going on there. All right, let's talk Shador.

Speaker 2 (01:00:33):
Brown's head coach has announced that Shador is going to
be the starter through the end of the season. Kind
Of weird that he's making him the start at the
end of the season because you know, they went for
that two point conversion at the end of the game
and Shador was out of the game. What's going on there?

Speaker 1 (01:00:48):
Okay, I thought Shador played really well. I was impressed,
had some really nice moments. One awful throw, But that's
so what is a rookie And that's the tie of
performance that earns you the job the rest of the year.
And now we'll see how he is over the next month,
where to see if he maybe can prove everyone involved

(01:01:10):
in the NFL draft process from a team perspective wrong.
It's an amazing opportunity and I don't listen. I said
this to Danny on Sunday, and this is the best
way to explain it, because I do think Shador is
a good kid, and I do think he's charming, and
I do think he's well intentioned. Uh the this is

(01:01:35):
the best. He just strikes me as like some of
the things that people dislike about his personality, not the play,
the personality. I just feel like, oh, I know a
lot of I've known a lot of people like that.
It's just like a really rich kid that doesn't quite

(01:01:55):
get you know, how doesn't it how the way he
acts kind of comes across to certain people. But it
doesn't mean they're a bad person, and it doesn't mean
they're like they are ill like they that.

Speaker 2 (01:02:09):
Do think that some of the stuff that like I'm
not telling the guy to change or suggesting that he
should change, but I do think the stuff that people
have problems with or like the bigger things, it's like
a very easy thing to turn off for like a
second or like whatever little minute it might be when
you're talking.

Speaker 1 (01:02:24):
Right, Yeah, I do too, and I and I just
think it is I just think there.

Speaker 2 (01:02:30):
Are because he's also done it, Like I feel like
I've seen him do that as well.

Speaker 1 (01:02:35):
But yeah, but what comes naturally to is what comes
Actually the kid's a super famous, rich kid with a
super famous you know dad, and like it just again,
that doesn't make you a bad person at all. Like
I just think I think sometimes that I see a
lot of character traits where I'm like, oh, I knew

(01:02:57):
that kid, Like I a kid like that went to
my school. Basically yeah, yeah, it's a it's a nice
kid that doesn't that sometimes just says things that people
around him are like does he even know? Like does
he get how that sounds? But they don't. That's fine,
So that part doesn't really matter. It just is what

(01:03:18):
it is, liketball, what his play and he and he
now was gonna have the opportunity to prove that he
can do it on the field. And I thought he
was really good on Sunday. Here's the thing on the

(01:03:39):
two point conversion call, that was quite simply one of
the dumbest coaching decisions I've ever seen in my life.
And it was dumb in every way something can be dumb.
It was dumb in that it was it looked like

(01:04:01):
you had never practiced it. So if the argument is no,
we've practiced a ton and we were great at it,
well then there's something wrong with your execution game day.
So that's first thing. Second thing was it doesn't need
you don't It doesn't have to be that complicated trying
to get two yards you have Judkins would look like
it was supposed to be like a reverse pass. It's ridiculous.

(01:04:28):
Here's the other thing. By doing that, that was the
only way you add to the noise surrounding the dumb
conspiracies with Shador, and you can say, oh, the football
coach doesn't think about that, doesn't care about that, They

(01:04:49):
don't worry about that bullshit. One of the big reasons
Shador went in the draft as late as he did
was because teams didn't want all the noise that ca
came along with drafting him. And so even if you
are just totally convinced, oh, calling a regular run play,

(01:05:09):
I'm not even saying sure has to throw.

Speaker 2 (01:05:11):
The ball quarterback play. He should have a quarterback and
a running back on the on the field to say
it could be either way a pass or run.

Speaker 1 (01:05:20):
And even and even if you're like, nope, we have
we have seen the future, and we have a forty
eight percent chance of getting this by calling a traditional play,
but a fifty eight percent chance of getting this by
running this play. It's still not worth it because the
knock on effect of the they were finally going to

(01:05:45):
have a week with minimal outside noise should or played.
He played well, you named him the starter. The folks
that are like, they're setting him up to fail, they
don't like him, you know, the all of it we're
gonna they had, there was nothing to say. And then

(01:06:06):
after leading a fourteen point come back in the final
two minutes, you call the single wars two point conversion
anyone's called in the NFL all year. And so Handlan
Draser is don't attribute to malice what can be attributed
to stupidity, like don't don't assume someone was out to

(01:06:33):
get you or there is a grand conspiracy when it
could as easily be explained as that was just really dumb.
And I'm here to tell you that was I don't
think it's a conspiracy. And this is the biggest indictment
on Stefanski for some of the things he's done, some

(01:06:55):
of the decisions Kevin Stefanski has made in his handling
of the Browns offense that quarterback room and chador are
so illogical. People think that there must be a conspiracy
at hand because he can't be that dumb. It's just

(01:07:22):
just so so ridiculous.

Speaker 2 (01:07:26):
I mean, have you ever noticed go ahead to the
mind keep cutting it right for that read? I mean,
it sure seems like there's some sabotaging going on around there.
Seems like there's a little a little bit of somebody
not liking Shaduur. That's what it seems like to me,
because how do you know that? It makes no call,
made no sense at all.

Speaker 1 (01:07:44):
It seemed like that to a lot of people. And
I'm just and I'm here to tell you. I think
the simpler explanation is, despite his Coach of the Year awards,
the guy the Cleveland Browns keep trotting out there every

(01:08:07):
year to be their head coach might not always make
the best decisions. I don't think it necessarily has to
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these other games.

Speaker 2 (01:09:00):
Lines to feed the Cowboys forty four to thirty.

Speaker 1 (01:09:03):
Thursday Night Football. Great win for the Lions. Cowboys not
dead yet, Cowboy thanks the Eagles. Listen. It's very simple.
Final four games. Cowboys have to win two more games
than Philly. That's it. No tie breakers, no nothing, because
Dallas has a tie. So it's very very simple. If

(01:09:24):
Philly goes two and two, Dallas has to go four
and zero. If Philly goes three and one, Dallas is dead.
If Philly goes one and three, Dallas has to go
three and one. Are better. That's how they get in next.

Speaker 2 (01:09:37):
Packers defeat the Bears twenty eight, twenty one.

Speaker 1 (01:09:40):
I mean, this game probably deserved more time than we're
giving it. This was a great game. Jordan Love played awesome.
Caleb had a miserable first half, a great second half
and then blew it at the end. I think Caleb
is not quite there yet, but he still he shows
you these flashes of brilliance. A huge spot for the Bears.

(01:10:02):
In two weeks they get a split with Green Bay.
Then you make up for this game. You lose to
Green Bay in two weeks. You can miss the playoffs
out right.

Speaker 2 (01:10:11):
Next, Saints defeat the Bucks twenty four to twenty disaster.

Speaker 1 (01:10:16):
My Bucks are on shaky ground and Baker's been shaky
for a month. I don't want to talk about it.
It's not good. I don't like any bit of it.
It cost me money. Tyler shuck running in the I
did not enjoy that football game.

Speaker 2 (01:10:31):
Next, Seahawks defeat the Falcons thirty seven to nine.

Speaker 1 (01:10:35):
You call this, yeah, Seahawks. Even's unbelievable, and poor Kirk
Cousins had no shot and Sam Darnold at one o'clock
with nobody watching, look out.

Speaker 2 (01:10:45):
Next Yo, Shaggs defeat the Colts thirty six nineteen.

Speaker 1 (01:10:51):
All right. Obviously the news here is Daniel Jones and
the Achilles, and you feel sick for him. It also
the Colts. The last month for the Colts franchise, altering
turn of events. Yeah, trading two first round picks for
Sauce Gardner, seeing him go down with the calf strain,
seeing your team fall apart, and then seeing Daniel Jones

(01:11:13):
blows achilles. It's unspeakable how awful this was for them.
The Jags, on the other hand, are legit really good
football team. Not quite though, as good as this. Next
team next to.

Speaker 2 (01:11:28):
Monsey, Rams defeat the Cardinals forty five to seventeen.

Speaker 1 (01:11:32):
The Rams are juggernaut right now, just I mean, just
blowing people out with these.

Speaker 2 (01:11:37):
Next, Broncos defeat the Raiders twenty four to seventeen.

Speaker 1 (01:11:43):
Yet, listen, the Broncos, it wasn't as close as this.
The story on this game is the craziest backdoor cover
and overhit in the NFL this season. The Broncos beat
you a bunch of different ways. Man, this was a
special team's touchdown. I gotta give him credit.

Speaker 2 (01:11:58):
Next, Vikings to defeat the Commanders thirty one. Oh, I
didn't see that one coming.

Speaker 1 (01:12:02):
I got this one dead wrong. I know this will
really surprise people, but Jayden Daniels got dinged up again.
Uh and really really brutal season all the way around
for Commanders.

Speaker 2 (01:12:22):
Fans.

Speaker 1 (01:12:22):
I feel badly for him.

Speaker 2 (01:12:23):
Last one probably shouldn't have been playing. Dolphins defeat the
Jets thirty four to ten. Spicy.

Speaker 1 (01:12:29):
Yeah, And the Dolphins are in a weird spot because
they have the same record as the Chiefs. They're six
and seven. But for reasons I don't totally understand, even
if they went out, they don't make the playoffs in
any scenario like they have that old athletic. I think
they just lose all tie breakers to everyone, and so
the athletic playoff predictor if they went out, gives them

(01:12:52):
a two percent chance if they went out, And so
they're in obviously in really bad bad shape.

Speaker 2 (01:12:59):
But McDaniel's gone a job next year job yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:13:03):
Yeah, maybe they say my containers job all right? Before
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world's biggest soccer tournament is coming to North America, including
my hometown. Kansas City is one of the eleven host
cities this year. It's bigger than ever, as the tournament

(01:13:24):
has expanded to forty eight teams featuring a record one
hundred and four matches, and you can bet on the
tournament today using the hard Rock Bet app. Favorites include
defending champion Argentina, European powerhouses England, France, Spain, and five
time champions Brazil. Dark horses include Norway with Holland and Columbia,

(01:13:45):
Morocco and Japan, and host Mexico and Cannon and the
US are looking to make some serious noise on their
home soil. So here is what I would I'm gonna
give for you guys as a fun route and something
I think is going to happen. The US got a

(01:14:06):
great group draw in Australia Paraguay, and then a little
bit of a question mark as far as who the
fourth team is gonna be because it there's still a
playoff to be played for six of the forty eight teams,
and one of those playoff winners will come to the
US's group. It'll probably be Turkey A, but we don't

(01:14:28):
know either way. The US at plus one twenty to
win their group I like a lot. I also once
we once we have the full group set and we're
gonna do a ton of discussion of this tournament on

(01:14:51):
our show. But for right now, I think the US
to win Group D at plus one twenty makes a
ton of sense. I also think that there was one
other one I liked a lot as not necessarily a

(01:15:15):
long shot, but not the favorite.

Speaker 4 (01:15:19):
Oh I I would I would consider Columbia to win
Group K at plus two fifty, but the US to
win Group D at plus one twenty.

Speaker 1 (01:15:29):
And we'll talk more about the tournament later. Head over
to the hard rock Bet app today, where you can
bet on every single first round match with hundreds of
markets available for each game. Additionally, you'll find a large
selection of future markets including group winners, group runner up,
stop scorer, market, turnament, MVP, and much more. Hard Rock
Bet will be your home for next summer's soccer festival.

(01:15:52):
All right, demons, let's save the the I want to
save the comments and questions for Thursday show. But I
will address this one real quick because I saw it.
JF asks. Nick. Didn't you say at one point great
players don't miss the playoffs in their prime? Yes? I

(01:16:15):
absolutely did say that about the NBA. Is the NFL
we're talking about here. Reminder to everybody like rate Subscribe Review,
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