Nick Wright reflects on the NBA Bubble, the Los Angeles Lakers title, and what it meant for LeBron James’ legacy. Then, Nick previews the return of NFL football with the Hall of Fame Game between the Los Angeles Chargers and the Detroit Lions, and debates which current NFL stars are future locks for the Hall of Fame. Later, Nick addresses the Cleveland Browns' quarterback competition and shares why he believes Shedeur Sanders must start at some point. #Volume
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Welcome in What's Driving the Great Episode three point fifty four.
In this episode, as always, of What's Driving the Grid
is presented to you by boost Mobile. A ton to
do today. I actually fly out of town right after
First Things First tonight for an event that I can
talk more about when I get back. But it'll be great.
(00:26):
I won't miss any podcasts. We'll be back on the
air on Tuesday with our regular scheduled pod. And today
we have a ton we're gonna get to. I have
to help out my buddy Daryl Morey because he is
being misaggregated and a bit, and so we will discuss. However,
the comments he did make. The comments, he's not being misquoted,
(00:49):
but they are being slightly misconstrued. We will get to that. Also,
Hall of Fame game tonight, So who are the no
doubt Hall of famers playing? When you got to keep
in making the NFL Hall of Fame, it's the hardest
Hall of Fame to make, and so it's fewer people
than you think. And that actually when we do that,
(01:11):
that's one that you guys, if you're watching live on
YouTube and like, rate, subscribe, review on YouTube, Spotify, iTunes,
all that stuff. If you're watching live on YouTube, you
can help along because we'll go team by team and
if you think there is someone that I have overlooked,
and we do this once a year, and there's always
(01:31):
at least one guy who's a no doubter or that
I just like, Forget exists or Forget is still playing
and not retired. So you guys can help us create
our official list. So we're gonna do all of that.
There's some other fun things we're going to do as well.
Demand's a great to see you as always. It looks
like a new hoodie mate possibly or just one I
(01:53):
don't recognize either.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
Great I've worn before, it's just been a while. I
appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
Okay, Well, good to see Before we get to the
real news of the day, as always, straight to voicemail,
brought to you by our friends at boost Mobile. The
NBA wants to expanded European footprint over the next few years.
And I'm not saying that's because they might be dealing with,
you know, a different front of a competitive basketball league
(02:23):
war and they want to stake out some ground. But
they might be also I'm not gonna get to been
out of shape over Front Office Sports is Exclusive, which
was what we told you guys on Tuesday about that.
What I said on TV on Monday and then on
this show on Tuesday about the Maverick Lebron Jokers agents meeting,
(02:48):
that it was not about Lebron playing for the Nuggets,
it was about the league that Maverick is attempting to
put together. That's fine, you know what I mean. They
got some details in it that I didn't not that
I was not, you know, able to share. So there's
no issue there. But that is a real thing, and
that is something unequivocally to watch. Also, evidently cam Ward Demanse,
(03:10):
your guy, called the Titans offense very mid. I've also
decided cam Ward's your guy. I just feel like yeah,
I just feel like, yeah, I think he's your guy.
And evidently Tom Cruise not on a day armists or dating.
I love Tom Cruise, I'm not as familiar with on
a day armis. Uh. Good for them. I wish them
nothing but happiness, all right, Before we get to Darryl
(03:34):
Morey's actual comments, what he actually meant, and for the
one million time relitigating the bubble, there was a story
yesterday that was in the Sports World demonse that I
don't want to give myself too much credit, but I
think I might be the single best person in the
(03:55):
world to discuss this topic, and that was Gilbert A
Reenus along with five alleged Israeli gangsters, getting himmed up
by the FEDS for running any illegal Southern California poker game.
(04:18):
So I am going to be and maybe even take
demons off the screen for this because I want to
be very careful with what I say here. But I
also feel like I have real insight, some of which
I can share, some of which I can't. And just
(04:41):
people that watch and listen to the pod, you know,
I owe you honesty, and I also try to educate
as best as I can. So I know Gilbert's already
you know, made bail, and I think if you read
that again, if you didn't read the story, it is
the allegation is very simple that there was a high
(05:04):
stakes poker game in southern California at a house Gilbert rented.
They took a rake. If people don't know how you
know private games work it, you know a rake is
the house's cut out of every hand, so it is
it is totally legal. If me and everyone involved in
(05:24):
this pod came over to our house in New York
and we played poker for ten dollars a man, or
for ten thousand or a million dollars a man. That's
actually totally legal. There is nothing illegal about playing card
game with friends or associates for any amount of stakes,
(05:48):
as long as you don't take a rake. The moment
the house starts taking a cut, it becomes by literal definition,
and illegal gambling operation. So that is what they are
attempting in theory, to get Gilbert and these five Israeli
(06:10):
again alleged gangsters for.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
All. Right.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
Now, the story also probably sounds if you read it
a little more sorted, because it's like they're also were
you know, women at the games who would be waitresses,
plus massuses, and then the allegation heavily implies also sex workers.
(06:36):
So here's why I'm talking about any of this illegal
private card games with a rake and with potentially some
sex workers involved are a dime a dozen. At any
(06:58):
given night in New York City, there's at least twenty
going on for real money. On any given night in
southern California, there's at least thirty going on for real money,
and they all fit this exact description. Catered food, a
(07:22):
level of you know, for those who that's their thing,
potential sex work, real money on the table, and the
house taking a big cut. And these are they Also
there are a couple app games that where people are
(07:43):
raking tens of thousands of dollars a month. Okay, and
this is not new, and this is not news. And
this also and this is where I would be a
little anxious. And I know his latest post made it
seem like he is not where I would be a
little anxious if I were Gilbert. These are not things
(08:06):
the FEDS tend to care about. Now, occasionally these games
get shut down by the DEA because security or somebody
there is dealing drugs. And occasionally these get shut down
because the sex work component gets raises to the level
(08:30):
where people are worried about exploitation. But as far as
the actual illegal gambling operation, it's not usually something that
the FEDS are interested in. So the fact that they
(08:50):
were leads me to think there is somebody one of
these other you know, alleged code conspirators, or somebody above
one of them, that they are hoping to get some
information on and so I am here to tell you
(09:14):
my call it semi educated opinion is Gilbert's path out
of this is going to be an uncomfortable one because
I don't think the Feds really want Gilbert Arenas to
(09:35):
go to jail for allegedly renting a house and part
of where a big card game was playing. I think
the Feds probably want to know about the other people involved.
That's a tricky spot. And so I saw Gilbert's post today,
I'm glad he's out. I also think Gilbert has done
(09:56):
a really cool job post career of building a new
career and obviously his son who was dealt with some injuries,
you know, and some scary stuff. But as a star
basketball player, Gilbert seems to have a ton of great
stuff going for him. I I do not think this
story is anywhere close to being over, and I don't
(10:20):
think we can revisit it. They said trial set for September.
Wonder if it ever gets to trial. I don't think
that this is going to be a simple, oh, all right,
slap on the wrist situation, and so I would be
(10:40):
I'd be. I'm a little nervous talking about it. But again,
there is there's some target from the federal government involved
in this. And it ain't no Chill Gill for running
(11:00):
a card game allegedly, I promise you that. But they
clearly think he can help not the spot you want
to be in. So I I will say one other,
one other thing, demanse and then all because this obviously
was going around all of the you know, gambling groups,
(11:23):
you know this story or whatever, and somebody somebody that
you know what, I apologize. I'm not going to tell
this little anecdote. I'm not going to I'll tell I'll
maybe tell you off the air, but it was there
(11:45):
were if you were a if you're a well, put
it like this. If you're a gambler and you read
the people who got arrested, Gilbert wasn't the only name
that you were like, oh wow, so they got him?
Like there there was, It was there. So it's I
(12:06):
just I think there and I also think there's probably
some people other than Gilbert that are a little anxious
right now in that southern California home game scene. All right, now,
let's get to act on more things I'm an expert in,
which is Lebron James Championships go ahead.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
Yesterday was the five year anniversary of the first game
in the Bubble, and it's still a huge debate on
its legitimess. Darryl Morris said in quote, everyone I speak
to around the league privately agrees that it doesn't truly
hold up as a genuine championship. Yes, looking back, how
would you measure the Bubble Championship?
Speaker 1 (12:41):
Okay, So first let me help out my pal Daryl,
because I was shocked when I read this quote, because
Darryl has publicly many times talked about how legit he
finds that championship to be and how hard it was.
(13:01):
And so when I saw it's one thing for you know,
Legion Hoops or whatever, one of these kind of fake
aggregators to post a quote to another thing for ESPN
their social team to post, you know, end quotes. Everyone
I speak to around the league privately agrees that it
(13:23):
doesn't truly hold up as a genuine championship, with the
source being the Athletic So I'm going to read you.
So I reached out to Daryl, and not surprisingly, he
explained to me what I thought was going to be
the case, which is, while he wasn't misquoted, it is
(13:43):
being misinterpreted. So I'll read you the full quote and clarify,
and but then I'll also give you my thoughts on
what everybody seems to think. All right, Daryl says, quote,
had the Rockets won the title, I absolutely would have
celebrated it as legit, jitimate, knowing the immense effort and
resilience required. Yet everyone I speak to around the league
(14:07):
privately agrees that it doesn't truly hold up as a
genuine championship. Pause for a moment. The privately agrees is
what is tripping people up. He is saying everyone he
talks to agrees amongst themselves, Like he is the outlier
that says this was an amazing accomplishment, but everybody else
(14:32):
says not so much. Where people are saying, and I
actually understand why people are confused. They are reading it
as everyone privately agrees with me. He's saying, everyone privately
agrees with each other, and so just to and again,
Darrel is my pal, But I also you know, he
(14:55):
deserves to have his actual opinion out there correctly. He
then went on say, this lasting legacy the NBA bubble
is that the NBA should be proud of its leadership
at both the beginning and the end of pandemic, even
though the champion will forever be marked by an asterisk.
And he again is saying there because that's the way
seemingly everyone else feels. And so here is I said
(15:19):
to you guys a couple months ago that the vast
majority of NBA myths fall into one of two categories.
Not all, but the vast majority. Category one is uplifting
Michael Jordan, and category two is tearing down Lebron James.
And there is no greater example of that than the
(15:43):
revisionist history on the Goddog bubble. So here is the
accurate timeline of the Los Angeles Lakers winning the twenty
twenty NBA Championship. Okay. In twenty eighteen, Lebron James was
(16:08):
universally hailed as by a wide margin, the best player
in the NBA, dragging a Cleveland Cavalier team to the
NBA Finals with a playoff run that had an all
time record eight forty point games, two true buzzer beaters,
(16:33):
two game seven victories, one of which on the road,
and what some consider the single greatest individual performance any
players ever had fifty one to eight and eight in
game one of the twenty eighteen NBA Finals, where with
(16:54):
no other because Kevin Love was not was had gotten
banged up the end of the Celtics series with no
one around him against Steph kd Clay Draymont. That's who
Lebron was in twenty eighteen. In twenty nineteen, he goes
to the Los Angeles Lakers, who were in the midst
(17:18):
of the worst half decade stretch in the history of
their franchise, and is playing a game on Christmas Day
when they are a top four as drug that team
to a top four seed in the West and suffers
the first major injury of his career. But at that moment,
there was still no argument and no debate over who
(17:41):
the best player in the world was. That offseason, they
acquire Anthony Davis and instantly become the best the best
team in the league. That Lakers team, pre pandemic, pre
bubble prey with ad started the year twenty four and three,
(18:08):
was running rough shot over everyone. Lebron James was the
leading NBA MVP candidate, and they were the favorite to
win the championship pre pandemic. So what we had was
(18:30):
the Lakers had the best record in basketball, The Lakers
had the best player in basketball. The Lakers had made
the biggest trade an acquisition of any team that offseason
with respect to what the Clippers had done, and they
were the favorites to win the championship. The season then
(18:53):
shuts down post shutdown, or right before the shutdown. Yeahs
had you know, really gone on an unbelievable run, And
the NBA MVP debate came down to two guys, Giannis
or Lebron with hardened kind of lurking because Harden had
(19:18):
made the Key and Westbrook thing work and that team
seemed dangerous. And then we get to the bubble, and
there is no home court which penalized two teams more
than any which were the two teams that had earned
(19:38):
home court advantage Lebron's team and Giannie's team, Lebron's team
which won the West by four games, and Janice's team,
which won the East by four games. And then the
bubble happens, and the playoff bracket is set, and every
(20:05):
single potential pitfall or matchup that people are convinced is
a bad matchup or the toughest possible path hits the Lakers.
We can now pretend it did not happen, but Dame
(20:28):
and Portland were the scary team that nobody wanted to
face in Round one, and the Lakers drew them with
no home court advantage, and after losing Game one, dispatched
of them in five. Then the Rockets with the one
(20:49):
year Harden and Westbrook worked that Rockets team with James
Harden being third and MVP voting that year and Russ
the last actual really good season of his career on
a at least that involved winning It's Round two. The
Lakers get the Rockets and they lose Game one and
(21:12):
then dispatch of them in five. And then you get
the Denver Nuggets with a healthy Jamal Murray, who would
not lose another playoff series with a healthy Jamal Murray
four years, and Anthony Davis plays the best basketball of
(21:35):
his life, Lebron James in a closeout game goes thirty eight, sixteen,
and ten, and they dispatch of the Nuggets in five.
And then in the NBA Finals, oh, they get a
fluke of a team that definitely wouldn't have made the
(21:58):
finals if not for the Bubble, the Miami Heat, who
responded by the way to that finals trip by two
years later making Game seven of the conference finals, and
the year after that making the NBA Finals again, and
in those finals, Lebron James plays close to perfect basketball,
(22:25):
reminding people once again that he's still the best player
in the world when he averaged thirty twelve and nine
on fifty nine to forty two splits to finish off
a playoff run where again the best player in the world,
(22:48):
Lebron James averaged for the postseason twenty eight eleven and
nine on fifty six percent from the field. That team
won the championship. And then how did they defend their
title when the bubble was done? The next season they
(23:14):
started twenty one and six. Well they I mean they
started actually eleven to three, and they had the best
record in basketball or in the Western Conference was maybe
the Western Conference or basketball the day Solomon Hill stumbled
(23:37):
into Lebron's ankle and he got hurt. So before the pandemic,
they were the best team in the league with the
best player in the league. During the pandemic, they had
home their home court advantage they had earned taken from
them and got what people were calling at the time
(23:57):
a nightmare path. Damon one Harden and rust In round two,
Joker and Jamal Murray in round three and dust them
all in five in the finals. People think, oh, they
got lucky, they don't have to face Yeah, honest, they
(24:18):
don't have to face. I think Toronto was actually the
two seed that year. That would have been no problem,
and they got this fluke of a team in Miami,
except for the fact that Miami a couple of years
later beat Milwaukee again and came within a jump shot
of going back to the finals, and then the next
year did go back to the finals and the best
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player in the world played peak basketball, and then the
next season they start twenty one and six. The idea
that the wrong champion was crowned, the idea that that
was an easy or fraud or lesser path win. The
(25:06):
only basketball, tangible basketball thing that was altered was no
one had home court, and so the only tangible damage
that was done to any of the teams were the
teams that would have had home court throughout, and that
(25:27):
was the Los Angeles Lakers. And every single person watching
knows that if the Milwaukee Bucks, who were the one
seed and had the league MVP, it's like the Lakers,
who were the one seed and had the second or
(25:48):
the runner up for League MVP. If the Bucks had
won that title, there's not a person in the world
that would be like fake title. If the I don't
even know if the Warriors made the playoffs that year.
I don't think they did. Certainly, though, if the Clippers
with Kawhi and Paul George instead of absolutely mortifyingly folding
(26:16):
against Denver, had won the title, no one be calling
it a fake title, because ultimately that discussion is not
about how real or fake a title is. That discussion
is about dis either dislike or jealousy of Lebron James.
(26:40):
And now our chat says seventy nine percent say yes,
the Bubble title is legit. Our chat probably skews a
little Lebron and Laker fan heavy, but you cannot say
that the team with the bat record and the best
(27:01):
player in the world with a very difficult path, who again,
the team they beat in the conference finals validated their
appearance there by winning a championship a couple of years later.
The team they beat in the NBA Finals validated their
appearance there by making the finals a couple of years later.
(27:24):
You cannot argue. And then they validated it themselves by
being an awesome team the next year before Bron got hurt.
It's just such horseship and deep down everybody knows it.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
What's up to was like horse crap. It's funny, but yeah,
I saw it in the rundown last night. You went
on the RAMT. But I instantly thought, like, how many
of those people that say that it wasn't legitimate just
don't like Lebron And it's funny that.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
I mean, that's all it is. You can everybody knows.
Everybody knows that if the Clippers, who weres everyone's team
of the flavor of the month that year and Kawhi
had won the title, no one would be saying it
doesn't count. And everybody knows if uh Yannis had won
(28:22):
the title, because those were the next two favorites. It
was Lakers, Bucks, Clippers were the favorites kind of all year,
had won the title, no one be saying it didn't count.
It's just so stupid, just so.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
Incredibly the calm court advantage, but obviously both ways.
Speaker 1 (28:42):
But it goes both ways, but it hurts the team
that's damaged by it is the top seed. Yeah, like
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All right, demonse, let's keep going.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
Preseason is here tonight, starting all for the Hall of
Fame game with the Chargers and lines. Trey Lance is
going to be starting for LA while you're why you're guys,
number five ranked quarterbacks watching from the sideline. Which would
you rather discussed Danny Parkins quarterback rating rankings or the
game itself.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
Well, there's not much discussed with the game itself except
Trey Lance did have If you remember an all time
preseason game last year, I think, do you the I'm
trying to pull it up real quick, the he gosh,
darn it, can say maybe one of the producers can
get it for me. The he had a preseason game
(31:28):
where I think he had five turnovers and like four
hundred yards. It was the the it was yeah, I
mean it was the here we go, I've got it
right here. Trey Lance played all ninety three Gosh darn it,
Trey Lance. I can't. I'm not signing up for the
(31:51):
Shreveport Bossier City Advocation. Listen. I do support local news,
but I can't pay for the Shreveport Bossier Advocate just
to get this Trey Lance info.
Speaker 2 (32:03):
It's twenty three yards, one touchdown, five interceptions.
Speaker 1 (32:10):
Yeah, and I there we go, Thank you guys. And
I also think he had like one hundred yards rushing.
He had ninety yards, so he had he had four
hundred and thirteen total yards, two touchdowns, five picks played
every snap. It was just a Tour de Force game.
So that part is actually kind of exciting to see
what he does today. But Danny's quarterback rankings are just
(32:33):
an abomination, and it just begs the question why why
do we play the games if they're not going to count?
And again they are. I might be being a little
(32:54):
harsh because the rankings are actually Danny's rankings go Mahomes,
Alan Burrow, Lamar, Herbert, Stafford, Jaden Goff, Baker, Hurts. So
here's the when I say they're an abomination, here's what
I mean, Or here's here's what's unfair about that. If
(33:15):
he's simply flipped Hurts and Herbert, they're totally legitimate ranking,
And that's not I'm not saying that's how I would
have it one through ten. But if it went Mahomes,
Alan Burrow, Lamar, Hurts, Stafford, Jaden Goff, Baker, Herbert, that's fine,
Like there's nothing crazy about that. But having Justin Herbert
(33:37):
ahead of Matt Stafford, Jaden Daniels, Jared Goff, Baker, Mayfield,
and Jalen Hurts for nothing other than vibes it's just
it's just ridiculous. And so now you demons, do you
(33:57):
have an issue with people who put Burrow ahead of Lamar? No,
I could.
Speaker 2 (34:06):
I could see those. I can flip those on any
given day. I feel like so I could pull Lamar
before before Brow. I'm also not mad at Burrow being
before Lamar.
Speaker 1 (34:16):
I'm not mad at Burrow being ahead of Lamar. However, again,
my job on this pod is to just be sports.
The sports worlds ras ah Ghoul and you know, create
balance in the world where there otherwise isn't let me
defend Lamar for a moment here. It is unfair in
(34:40):
my opinion to penalize Lamar for bad postseason performances and
then lift up Joe Burrow, who the last couple of
years has had nonexistent postseason performances, you know what I mean.
So that is it's a weird because you can't argue
(35:04):
as great as Burrow has been was in the regular
season last year, a lot of the MVP voters, all
pro voters, a lot of people thought Lamar was better.
And then obviously the year before Lamar was better in
the regular season. Is Burrow was hurt and wasn't that
effective early and Lamar won league MVP, and so the
(35:25):
knock on Lamar's postseason performances. But Burrow hasn't been in
the postseason, So like that one I do think is
a little.
Speaker 2 (35:32):
Much of Lamar is my guy and you're ripping into
him the other day on Tuesday. But as postseason success,
I really can't argue, like that's that's fair. But how
much of that stuff is Burrow's fault? How much of
that stuff is Lamar's fault? As far as the postseason
what happens, Like with Joe Burrow, You're saying he was
banged up and then had a terrible defense last year.
Speaker 1 (35:52):
I just think, well, no, That's what I'm saying is yes,
those are true factors, but I'm also not going to.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
Use it as a metric like when when ranking them.
Speaker 1 (36:04):
Well, no I I what I'm not gonna do is
say after the regular season, Lamar is higher than Burrow,
Burrow misses the playoffs, Lamar plays poorly in the playoffs,
and then Lamar gets dropped beneath Burrow, like the because
(36:24):
you can't, yep, showing up to a test and failing
it is still better than skipping the test. Like not
showing up and so like you got you got more,
you got some questions, right, and so like the and
and so that's the so I listen, I don't think
(36:46):
having Burrow ahead of Lamar is outrageous, but it's not
what I would have And and then it starts getting
you know, then we start figuring out where exactly do
you have heard? And the Hurts ranking is really interesting.
And I tried to make this point on TV yesterday
and I did it kind of ham handedly, which is
(37:08):
Eagles fans right now. And I get it. They're feeling themselves.
You won the chance Super Bowl, you should absolutely be thrilled,
But they kind of want the best of both worlds.
They want everyone to acknowledge how utterly stacked their roster is,
(37:33):
how great, Howie Roseman's done, how good they are, you know,
in every way, shape and form. They want all of that,
but they also don't want any of us to incorporate
any of that into our evaluation of Jalen Hurts. Like
they want everyone to bend the knee that they have
(37:53):
the best overall roster in football by a mile, but
also pretend like we think Jalen Hurts is carrying just
a regular team. And so now I think Hurts has
been clearly excellent in huge spots, and I think Hurts
I think having Hurts ten like Danny did is too
(38:14):
you know, a bridge too far. But I also think
that it is you view it differently than if Josh
Allen had won the Super Bowl last year with the
team he had, Jalen winning it last year with the
team he had. I just think there is some nuance there.
Eagles fans, on the other hand, won us all to
(38:36):
be like, you have the greatest roster in the league.
It's Sakwan's a Hall of famer. How he drafts better
than everyone, the best wide receiver duo, the best offensive line.
And I'll also Jalen Hurts got no help, like, which
is the you're not gonna You're not gonna get that?
All right, let's keep going.
Speaker 2 (38:57):
Speak. Wait, where are you gonna be bettering on the game?
Speaker 1 (39:00):
First off, No, I'm not betting on the Hall of
Fame game. I will be betting on football this year, obviously,
but I'm not betting on the Hall of Fame game.
Speaker 2 (39:09):
Oh but yeah, speaking of the Hall of Fame game,
are there any sure fire Hall of famers she would
like to play your flag on right now.
Speaker 1 (39:17):
So this is something we do every year and so
and if the producers could just kind of create a
running list in the dock and if we can, and
if the if anyone in the chat thinks I'm leaving
somebody out, tell me because like I'll give you an example,
(39:40):
like I could. I'm not going to now because I
mentioned it, but I could forget that Von Miller is
now on Washington and Von Miller is a short you
know what I mean. But we'll just go team by
team and try to do this. The Buffalo Bills, the
Bills have zero sure fire Hall of Famers on defense
(40:04):
and one and one only sure fire Hall of Famer
on offense, and that's Josh Allen. And Josh was not
a sure fire Hall of Famer prior to last year,
but the unbelievable stats that now go along with a
(40:27):
regular season MVP that puts him their hands down. Hands
downs maybe wrong, but he's a Hall of Famer. So
we're at one for the Buffalo Bills. The Miami Dolphins
have one sure fire Hall of Famer and that's Tyreek Kill.
(40:48):
There is I think that ooh, this is interesting. This
is interesting toa No too is not in two is
not even anywhere close. No. I was thinking Minca MinC,
(41:13):
but Minca Fitzpatrick is definitely not sure fire. And the
the and let me just do something because the Dusty,
if you're watching the First Things First Production Room, just
tell Brew I'll talk to him about the Maury Lebron's story.
We should do it. Even though Darryl's slightly misquoted there.
(41:36):
I'm getting a thousand texts on this group thread about
everybody arguing about this because I I can't chime in
because I'm doing this. Minca is Minca has had a
very nice career and he's a three time All Pro,
so he has a chance, but he's not sure fire.
(41:56):
Tyreek is sure fire, and there is no one else
on the Dolphins that is anywhere close to it. All right,
the Patriots, the Patriots have no one right like definitely
right now, there's certainly no one on their offense and
(42:17):
there is certainly no one on their defense. Now. Part
of that's because the team's so young, so like that's
not as you know, that's not a not to say
the team has no talent or anything. But again, the
exercise we're doing right now, is if they were to retire,
are they in the Hall of Fame? Basically? And the
(42:38):
Jets are in a similar spot. So in the AFC East,
the shore Fire, active Hall of famers are Josh Allen
and Tyreek Kill the AFC North right now, the Cincinnati
(43:00):
Bengals have zero. Now, jamar Is and Joe are on
Hall of Fame trajectories, but they are not anywhere close
to having established it, you know what I mean? Does
that make sense? Like if they Jamar's got to do
(43:22):
this for another five years, Joe has to do this
for at least another four years plus get some type
of He either has.
Speaker 2 (43:34):
To or if he just won a Super Bowl like
next year.
Speaker 1 (43:37):
That's what I was gonna say, right, he either has
to like clip an MVP, win a Super Bowl or
just another like six years of these awesome numbers like
one one or the other. So the Bengals have none.
The Browns have one in Miles Garrett obviously, no one
(44:00):
on offense. Sorry, Joe Flacco, you're not getting a look.
He did win a Super Bowl and has a lot
like big numbers, but he's not He's not there. Denzel Ward,
not close, but Miles Garrett is already in. Miles Garrett, No,
(44:20):
I said Flacco. Flacco's not gonna make it. He won
the Super Bowl and he won the Super Bowl MVP,
and he does have big counting stats. He's not making it.
Miles Garrett, six time All Pro, over one hundred career sacks,
a Defensive Player of the Year. He's obviously in the
(44:44):
Steelers amazingly, Demons, I think you have maybe four. So
the Steelers have as sure fire Hall of famers A
Rogers and TJ. Watt. Those guys are locked, right Jalen Ramsey,
(45:09):
who is on the Steelers now, I believe he is locked.
And then Cam Hayward, five time All Pro, seven time
Pro Bowler, A Walter Peyton Man of the Year. I
think he's getting in. So that is four future Hall
(45:36):
of Famers on the Steelers, which is kind of crazy. Yeah,
and are we the I mean it. So he's getting in.
And then the Ravens. The Ravens have right now they
(45:57):
have two with a couple guys who could get there
or no, I'm sorry, I apologize. The Ravens have three
with a couple guys who could get there. Lamar is
locked Henry. Derrick Henry is locked and DeAndre Hopkins is
(46:18):
going to get there. So and then the guys who
could but have a long way to go, Kyle Hamilton
and Roquan Smith, but those are they have three locks,
and Lamar Henry and Hopkins. All right, the Titans have
(46:46):
nobody the there's not like an old player on that
team that I'm forgetting. The nine Jeffreys. Jeffrey Simmons has
a chance, but you know he's got a ways to go.
So the Titans where he were done with easily. The Colts,
(47:08):
I feel like Quinton Nelson is getting in. Let me
check his accolades. Quenton Nelson, five time All Pro, seven
time Pro bowler. He's in. So the Colts do have one.
Shout out Quinton Nelson. Jonathan Stewart's not gonna make it.
(47:31):
DeForest Buckner is an underdog to make it, but they've
got one in Quinton Nelson. The Jags have none, right,
there's no one on the Jags I'm forgetting. Nope. And
then the Texans, as far as guys that are already,
(47:54):
they've already done enough. No one on offense, Joe Mixon's
not made it. Nick Chubb's not making it, and their
defensive players are too young. Chauncey Gardner, Johnson's not making it.
Stingley and Will Anderson, you know you've got miles to go.
Danell Hunter is not quite that caliber. All right, Now
(48:16):
to the AFC West and then we'll do We'll see
where we're at on the whole AFC. The Broncos again,
I think that Pat s or Tan is building quite
the resume, but it's too early, and certainly no one
on their offense is has done anything close to enough yet.
(48:39):
So the Broncos are out. The Chargers have no one
on the offense, and defensively, Khalil Mack, I think he's in.
(49:02):
Khalil Mack. Let me look at the career five time
All Pro, nine time Pro Bowl, all decades. Yeah, one
hundred and eight sacks defensive player er Khalil Max in
Derwin James. As much as I like him, I don't
think he's in yet. Uh So, four time All Pro,
(49:26):
four time Pro Bowler, he probably needs a little bit more.
The Raiders are true. The Raiders no one on offense obviously,
and Max hasn't done enough yet. Max is creating a
(49:47):
Hall of fame resume, but he hasn't done enough yet.
And then the chiefs. Mahomes is locked, Kelsey is locked,
and Chris Jones is locked. And that's the list. So
in the AFC, the following players are in the Hall
(50:14):
of Fame. Josh Allen, Tyreek Kill, Miles Garrett, TJ. Watt,
Jalen Ramsey, Cam Hayward, Lamar Jackson, Derrick Henry, DeAndre Hopkins,
Quenton Nelson, Khalil Mack, Patrick Mahomes, Travis Kelcey, Chris Jones.
How many guys is that five? Fiften? It's fifteen, I think,
(50:37):
So we've got fifteen with again, you know, Morgan Minka
is probably not making it. And then Burrow Chase I
would imagine make it, but we can't call him locks yet.
Kyle Hamilton, Roquant Smith, Patzer, Tanderwin, James, Max Crossby. But
fifteen locks. And this speaks to why making the Hall
(50:58):
of Fame is so difficult in this league. So these
guys are going to retire the you know, a couple
of year coming up, and the only let five in
and then guys who are waiting. It's not five new spots,
it's like two new spots it's really hard. All right,
Let's go to the NFC. The as Cowboys that are
(51:21):
Lock Hall of famers. Right now, it's none. Dak is
not gonna make it, and Micah is a great bet
to make it, but is too young, you know what
I mean. Like, there's nobody from MICA's same draft classes.
Jamar Chase, he's in the exact same boat where you
(51:43):
think that he has a really good chance to do it,
but is the you know, and oh and Zach Martin's
you know, their offensive line hall of famers are gone now.
The Giants, I I don't think Russell's gonna make it.
(52:06):
Dexter Lawrence needs to do a lot more, as is
Brian Burns. I think Russell Wilson right now is on
the outside looking in. The Eagles are really interesting because
(52:27):
right now, Demons, the Eagles only have one absolute Lock
Hall of Famer in Lane Johnson. Their right tackle, Sequon
is on track now, but needs a little bit more,
you know what I mean, Like just because he hasn't
(52:48):
had enough great seasons. Aj Brown I think is on track,
and Jalen Hurts is on track. He's at he has
an all Pro season, he has been to two super Bowls,
he's won one. But the only guy on the Eagles
that could retire today and get and be certain they're
(53:13):
getting in is Lane Johnson and the Commanders. We already
said von Miller, and that's the only guy. Von Miller
is a Hall of Famer. Oh no, that's not the
(53:33):
only guy. I almost screwed that up. Bobby Wagner's definitely
making it. They're inside linebacker Bobby Wagner's there's no question
he's making it. So they're older guys and they're on
their defense. But the Commanders have two. So uh and
(53:54):
I again, I am I'm not. I'm only saying guys
that so that the only guy that I've said is
a lock that I actually think might not na he
Walter Pittman of The europe Carrier and Cam Heyward again,
you gotta be very choosy with the locks. Friend of
(54:14):
the show and host of I hope he doesn't mind
me quoting him on this. I think the best daily
NFL podcast there is, NFL Daily. Greg Rosenthal chimes in,
Russell Wilson makes the Hall of Fame eventually, but not
a Lock. Maybe I think he might need one more
little push, all right, so let's keep going. I just,
(54:38):
I just he was on a great Hall of Fame
trajectory post Seattle, but it's gone so badly for him
since then. All Right, the Chicago Bears, I think Joe
Toney is now in. Joe Tooney, who has what does
he have? Three super bowls.
Speaker 2 (54:57):
For?
Speaker 1 (54:58):
No? Four super Bowls? Four all pros. I think Joe
Tooney is in, and I don't think anyone else on
that team is a lock. I mean, obviously Caleb's gonna
make it, but probably too early to call the lock.
(55:19):
The Lions, that's an interesting one. Do the Lions have
a single Lock Hall of Famer on the team? The
answer to that question is no. As good as they
are now, part of that's because they're so young, Like
on the defensive side of the ball, they're so young,
but and really on often I mean that they're.
Speaker 2 (55:42):
A younger team.
Speaker 1 (55:44):
Yeah, I would bet a lot of money that Panay
Sewell eventually makes it. They're right tackle. But he again,
he's in the same boat as Micah and Jamar, which
is you just haven't done enough yet. The Packers, I'm
quite certain have no have nobody. I mean, they're like
(56:10):
Kenny Clark's been there forever. He's not a Hall of
Fame level player. Xavier McKinney's really good, he's not a
Hall of Fame level player. Yeah, so the Packers have
nobody that is a Hall of Fame lock, the vite man.
This is tough. I would Justin Jefferson is going to
(56:35):
make the Hall of Fame, but he has he probably
needs to be a lock for it. He probably needs
two more years. I mean, he's a he's four time
All Pro, four time Pro bowler, and an Offensive Player
of the Year. It's close, but if you were to
(56:55):
walk today, he's not in yet. But he is as
we can put him in heavy ink. But I'm not
gonna include him on the list yet just because he
hasn't played quite long enough. Jonathan Allen's not a Hall
of Famer, so the Vikings don't have anyone. It's interesting
right now, it seems like how many more? Yeah, so
(57:19):
much of it demonte is because good teams are young,
you know what I mean, Like they're not the Falcons.
Jake Matthews is not a Hall of He's been there forever,
but he's not a Hall of Famer. And you know,
quality player forever not a Hall of Famer, and they
(57:42):
obviously have no one on defense, unless I'm forgetting Jesse
Bates is building a resume, but he's not there yet.
So the Falcons have nobody. The Saints have one who's
going to be a Hall of Famer in Cam Jordan,
I mean Cam Jordan. His sack numbers are insane, like
(58:05):
the It's really interesting because he's never had like a
twenty sax season. In fact, I don't even know if
he's ever had a sixteen sax season. But he's got
one hundred and twenty one sacks. He's making the Hall
of Fame, and do Mario Davis is not, and that's
(58:25):
obviously nobody on that. Alvin Kamara, yeah, I don't think
he's I don't think he's there. I think he is
in the same boat sadly that my guy Jamal Charles
(58:45):
is gonna be in awesome, but not quite there. And
Harrison Smith, who Paul mentions two time All Pro, six
Pro Bowls, is nice. Don't think he gets in. It's
too hard. It's too hard man, all right. For the Bucks,
(59:08):
I the Bucks have one one guy who at this
point is a lock in Mike Evans and no one else. Oh,
Levante David Is he gonna three time All Pro? No,
(59:35):
it's a great player, can't call it. Mike. Mike Evans
is the one lock the Bucks have and the Panthers
without looking I feel confident in saying the Panthers have nobody.
So I mean Adam feeling very nice career, obviously not
a Hall of Famer, and yeah, the Panthers have nobody.
(59:59):
All right, Ram, this is an interesting one. I don't
think Stafford is a lock, which means the Rams don't
have any luck. Oh, sorry, DeVante Adams is a lock.
Davante's getting in, but Stafford again Stafford. Stafford versus Russ
(01:00:24):
is gonna end up being an interesting one that gets debated.
But I don't think Stafford's a lock. I think he
will get in, but I would not bet my net
worth on it. The Cardinals do they have anybody the
(01:00:44):
Oh Kalayas Campbell. Gosh, I can't believe he's still in
the league. He was in the eight draft class. So
kalay Is Campbell one hundred and ten sacks, two time
All Pro, but six time Pro Bowl and All Decade
and a Walter Payton man of the Year. He's getting in.
Clay Is Campbell call him a lock. And now we're
(01:01:10):
down to two teams. The Seahawks Cooper Cups not a
Hall of Famer. They DeMarcus Lawrence is not a Hall
of Famer. The Seahawks have nobody. And the forty nine Ers,
(01:01:32):
who you know, lost a lot of their kind of
veteran guys. I think the forty nine ers only have
two locks. Well, no, they know they probably have three.
(01:01:53):
Trent Williams is a definitive lock, Fred Warner a definitive lock,
and George Kittle's a lock. George Kittle's five time All Pro.
So Trent, Warner and Kittle are locks. Nick Bosa has
(01:02:16):
a chance and that's the end of it. So oh,
I'm sorry. Christian McCaffrey obviously has a chance, but he's
not in yet. Two you know he had it's just
doesn't have enough healthy seasons. So here's what we've got
(01:02:38):
in the NFC, Lane Johnson, Von Miller, Bobby Wagner, Joe Tooney,
cam Jordan Mike Evans, DeVante Adams, Kaleis Campbell, Trent Williams,
Fred Warner, George Kittle. In the AFC, Josh Allen, Tyree Hill,
Miles Garrett, TJ. Watt, Jalen Ramsey, Cam Hayward, Lamar Jackson,
Derrick Henry, DeAndre Hopkins, Quenton Nelson, Khalil mcpatrick, Holmes, Travis Kelce,
(01:03:01):
Chris Jones. So that means we have right now, you know,
twenty five to thirty lock Hall of Famers. Justin Jefferson
who is going to make it, Jamar Chase who I
would be shocked if he doesn't make it. You know, Micah,
Saquon Burrow are all in Root, Piney Sewell is in Root.
(01:03:29):
C mc needs one more great year, but it is
it's just hard to make. Man, if you're waiting and
you see these guys retiring, like, it's just hard to
make the Hall of Fame. I hope that was interesting
for the audience. I find it interesting. I love doing that.
But in might.
Speaker 2 (01:03:49):
That you or was as I can?
Speaker 1 (01:03:52):
I mean, well, I mean I kind of meant the
I consider Justin Jefferson and Micah and those guys young guys,
but guys like super young guys. No, the Hall of
Fame's hard. Non Jaden, no, Jade Listen. Jaden had an
amazing first year Jamior Gibbs is an interesting one. Hard
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because we spent so much time on the uh, the
Hall of Fame stuff, we're not gonna be able to
(01:06:48):
get to every single thing.
Speaker 2 (01:06:50):
So Brown's owner Jimmy Haslim has distanced himself from the
Shador Sanders pick, saying that the GM was the one
who made that call and not him, So why would
he wants stake on such a low risk, high reward situation?
Speaker 1 (01:07:04):
So listen, I think he is just trying to I
don't think he's trying to distance himself as much as
what he's trying to do is make it clear or
at least clean up a bit. No, the GM's in charge,
not me. Here is what I find so interesting about
the Chador situation right now. I was not a Shadoor guy.
(01:07:29):
I was one of I think the first people in
the mock draft community that had Shador early in the process,
slipping to the back half of round one, talking about
that the Steelers might not need to trade up if
they need to get him. I talked a lot about
how I thought there was too much discussion about Shador's
(01:07:52):
personality and not enough discussion about his lack of arm talent,
and I just didn't look at him as like a
blue chip prospect. So I was not a Shatore guy.
And now the however, because of where he is and
the quarterbacks that he is competing with, I find myself
feeling like they've got to start him at some point.
(01:08:13):
Because here's the deal. Kenny Pickett is injured and not
an NFL quarterback. There is there is a zero percent
chance Kenny Pickett is the Steeler's answer at quarterback. Zero percent.
The Steelers, pardon me, there is a zero percent chance
he wasn't The Steelers answer that Kenny Pickett is the
(01:08:35):
Browns answer at quarterback, so cross him out. Joe Flacco
is forty years old. There is a zero percent chance
Joe Flacco is their long term answer at quarterback, so
cross him out. Dylan Gabriel, sorry, and you're not gonna
(01:08:57):
like this, demase, he's too small. There is a zero
percent chance Dylan Gabriel can be a nice backup, maybe
a spot starter. There is a zero percent chance Dylan
Gabriel is the Browns franchise quarterback three years from now, Shadoor,
(01:09:17):
there is a five percent chance Shador is the Browns
franchise quarterback. Got more than one, less than ten somewhere
in there, when the other three guys are a combined
zero percent, and you're gonna be a terrible team. The
moment you know you can start Flacco to start the year,
(01:09:40):
but the moment that the year has gotten away from you,
you gotta play Shador. And that's the other weird thing.
Haslam was like Andrew picks the players, Stefanski sets the rock,
you know, decide two plays, but then also said in
that same SoundBite, obviously, both young guys need to play
(01:10:01):
this year. I mean, Haslm's not the greatest, Donar just
just flat like.
Speaker 2 (01:10:06):
Both of them just saying that this year is like
a waste.
Speaker 1 (01:10:11):
Well, I mean, I don't.
Speaker 2 (01:10:12):
I mean, it seems like both young quarterbacks need to
play this year. You kind of have an idea of
what your.
Speaker 1 (01:10:16):
Season torect correct because they have two first round picks
next year and they yeah, I mean, Haslam's a tough
guy to work for. All Right. It's July thirty, first Demond,
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I have to get to work. This was a longer
show than expected. And then I am do you have
Do you have big plans this weekend? Buddy? Just out
of curiosity? You got anything going on? Just watching the eggs?
Speaker 2 (01:15:07):
Nothing huge? Yeah, one hundred percent. Probably will be stopping
myself from opening the incubator.
Speaker 1 (01:15:14):
Okay, well again, my I'm on a semi secret mission.
I'll tell you guys about it on Tuesday. See how
it goes. But the same invite I extended to you
three months ago exists again, So just let me know
the same thing I leave tonight. I leave tonight and
(01:15:41):
I stay until I fly overnight Sunday night Monday morning,
so it's over again.
Speaker 2 (01:15:46):
So yeah, so just yeah, just let me ask me
here go Friday.
Speaker 1 (01:15:50):
Okay, all right, maybe all right? Might be in business,
might be in business?
Speaker 2 (01:15:55):
All right.
Speaker 1 (01:15:55):
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Welcome in What's Driving the Great Episode three point fifty four.
In this episode, as always, of What's Driving the Grid
is presented to you by boost Mobile. A ton to
do today. I actually fly out of town right after
First Things First tonight for an event that I can
talk more about when I get back. But it'll be great.
(00:26):
I won't miss any podcasts. We'll be back on the
air on Tuesday with our regular scheduled pod. And today
we have a ton we're gonna get to. I have
to help out my buddy Daryl Morey because he is
being misaggregated and a bit, and so we will discuss. However,
the comments he did make. The comments, he's not being misquoted,
(00:49):
but they are being slightly misconstrued. We will get to that. Also,
Hall of Fame game tonight, So who are the no
doubt Hall of famers playing? When you got to keep
in making the NFL Hall of Fame, it's the hardest
Hall of Fame to make, and so it's fewer people
than you think. And that actually when we do that,
(01:11):
that's one that you guys, if you're watching live on
YouTube and like, rate, subscribe, review on YouTube, Spotify, iTunes,
all that stuff. If you're watching live on YouTube, you
can help along because we'll go team by team and
if you think there is someone that I have overlooked,
and we do this once a year, and there's always
(01:31):
at least one guy who's a no doubter or that
I just like, Forget exists or Forget is still playing
and not retired. So you guys can help us create
our official list. So we're gonna do all of that.
There's some other fun things we're going to do as well.
Demand's a great to see you as always. It looks
like a new hoodie mate possibly or just one I
(01:53):
don't recognize either.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
Great I've worn before, it's just been a while. I
appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
Okay, Well, good to see Before we get to the
real news of the day, as always, straight to voicemail,
brought to you by our friends at boost Mobile. The
NBA wants to expanded European footprint over the next few years.
And I'm not saying that's because they might be dealing with,
you know, a different front of a competitive basketball league
(02:23):
war and they want to stake out some ground. But
they might be also I'm not gonna get to been
out of shape over Front Office Sports is Exclusive, which
was what we told you guys on Tuesday about that.
What I said on TV on Monday and then on
this show on Tuesday about the Maverick Lebron Jokers agents meeting,
(02:48):
that it was not about Lebron playing for the Nuggets,
it was about the league that Maverick is attempting to
put together. That's fine, you know what I mean. They
got some details in it that I didn't not that
I was not, you know, able to share. So there's
no issue there. But that is a real thing, and
that is something unequivocally to watch. Also, evidently cam Ward Demanse,
(03:10):
your guy, called the Titans offense very mid. I've also
decided cam Ward's your guy. I just feel like yeah,
I just feel like, yeah, I think he's your guy.
And evidently Tom Cruise not on a day armists or dating.
I love Tom Cruise, I'm not as familiar with on
a day armis. Uh. Good for them. I wish them
nothing but happiness, all right, Before we get to Darryl
(03:34):
Morey's actual comments, what he actually meant, and for the
one million time relitigating the bubble, there was a story
yesterday that was in the Sports World demonse that I
don't want to give myself too much credit, but I
think I might be the single best person in the
(03:55):
world to discuss this topic, and that was Gilbert A
Reenus along with five alleged Israeli gangsters, getting himmed up
by the FEDS for running any illegal Southern California poker game.
(04:18):
So I am going to be and maybe even take
demons off the screen for this because I want to
be very careful with what I say here. But I
also feel like I have real insight, some of which
I can share, some of which I can't. And just
(04:41):
people that watch and listen to the pod, you know,
I owe you honesty, and I also try to educate
as best as I can. So I know Gilbert's already
you know, made bail, and I think if you read
that again, if you didn't read the story, it is
the allegation is very simple that there was a high
(05:04):
stakes poker game in southern California at a house Gilbert rented.
They took a rake. If people don't know how you
know private games work it, you know a rake is
the house's cut out of every hand, so it is
it is totally legal. If me and everyone involved in
(05:24):
this pod came over to our house in New York
and we played poker for ten dollars a man, or
for ten thousand or a million dollars a man. That's
actually totally legal. There is nothing illegal about playing card
game with friends or associates for any amount of stakes,
(05:48):
as long as you don't take a rake. The moment
the house starts taking a cut, it becomes by literal definition,
and illegal gambling operation. So that is what they are
attempting in theory, to get Gilbert and these five Israeli
(06:10):
again alleged gangsters for.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
All. Right.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
Now, the story also probably sounds if you read it
a little more sorted, because it's like they're also were
you know, women at the games who would be waitresses,
plus massuses, and then the allegation heavily implies also sex workers.
(06:36):
So here's why I'm talking about any of this illegal
private card games with a rake and with potentially some
sex workers involved are a dime a dozen. At any
(06:58):
given night in New York City, there's at least twenty
going on for real money. On any given night in
southern California, there's at least thirty going on for real money,
and they all fit this exact description. Catered food, a
(07:22):
level of you know, for those who that's their thing,
potential sex work, real money on the table, and the
house taking a big cut. And these are they Also
there are a couple app games that where people are
(07:43):
raking tens of thousands of dollars a month. Okay, and
this is not new, and this is not news. And
this also and this is where I would be a
little anxious. And I know his latest post made it
seem like he is not where I would be a
little anxious if I were Gilbert. These are not things
(08:06):
the FEDS tend to care about. Now, occasionally these games
get shut down by the DEA because security or somebody
there is dealing drugs. And occasionally these get shut down
because the sex work component gets raises to the level
(08:30):
where people are worried about exploitation. But as far as
the actual illegal gambling operation, it's not usually something that
the FEDS are interested in. So the fact that they
(08:50):
were leads me to think there is somebody one of
these other you know, alleged code conspirators, or somebody above
one of them, that they are hoping to get some
information on and so I am here to tell you
(09:14):
my call it semi educated opinion is Gilbert's path out
of this is going to be an uncomfortable one because
I don't think the Feds really want Gilbert Arenas to
(09:35):
go to jail for allegedly renting a house and part
of where a big card game was playing. I think
the Feds probably want to know about the other people involved.
That's a tricky spot. And so I saw Gilbert's post today,
I'm glad he's out. I also think Gilbert has done
(09:56):
a really cool job post career of building a new
career and obviously his son who was dealt with some injuries,
you know, and some scary stuff. But as a star
basketball player, Gilbert seems to have a ton of great
stuff going for him. I I do not think this
story is anywhere close to being over, and I don't
(10:20):
think we can revisit it. They said trial set for September.
Wonder if it ever gets to trial. I don't think
that this is going to be a simple, oh, all right,
slap on the wrist situation, and so I would be
(10:40):
I'd be. I'm a little nervous talking about it. But again,
there is there's some target from the federal government involved
in this. And it ain't no Chill Gill for running
(11:00):
a card game allegedly, I promise you that. But they
clearly think he can help not the spot you want
to be in. So I I will say one other,
one other thing, demanse and then all because this obviously
was going around all of the you know, gambling groups,
(11:23):
you know this story or whatever, and somebody somebody that
you know what, I apologize. I'm not going to tell
this little anecdote. I'm not going to I'll tell I'll
maybe tell you off the air, but it was there
(11:45):
were if you were a if you're a well, put
it like this. If you're a gambler and you read
the people who got arrested, Gilbert wasn't the only name
that you were like, oh wow, so they got him?
Like there there was, It was there. So it's I
(12:06):
just I think there and I also think there's probably
some people other than Gilbert that are a little anxious
right now in that southern California home game scene. All right, now,
let's get to act on more things I'm an expert in,
which is Lebron James Championships go ahead.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
Yesterday was the five year anniversary of the first game
in the Bubble, and it's still a huge debate on
its legitimess. Darryl Morris said in quote, everyone I speak
to around the league privately agrees that it doesn't truly
hold up as a genuine championship. Yes, looking back, how
would you measure the Bubble Championship?
Speaker 1 (12:41):
Okay, So first let me help out my pal Daryl,
because I was shocked when I read this quote, because
Darryl has publicly many times talked about how legit he
finds that championship to be and how hard it was.
(13:01):
And so when I saw it's one thing for you know,
Legion Hoops or whatever, one of these kind of fake
aggregators to post a quote to another thing for ESPN
their social team to post, you know, end quotes. Everyone
I speak to around the league privately agrees that it
(13:23):
doesn't truly hold up as a genuine championship, with the
source being the Athletic So I'm going to read you.
So I reached out to Daryl, and not surprisingly, he
explained to me what I thought was going to be
the case, which is, while he wasn't misquoted, it is
(13:43):
being misinterpreted. So I'll read you the full quote and clarify,
and but then I'll also give you my thoughts on
what everybody seems to think. All right, Daryl says, quote,
had the Rockets won the title, I absolutely would have
celebrated it as legit, jitimate, knowing the immense effort and
resilience required. Yet everyone I speak to around the league
(14:07):
privately agrees that it doesn't truly hold up as a
genuine championship. Pause for a moment. The privately agrees is
what is tripping people up. He is saying everyone he
talks to agrees amongst themselves, Like he is the outlier
that says this was an amazing accomplishment, but everybody else
(14:32):
says not so much. Where people are saying, and I
actually understand why people are confused. They are reading it
as everyone privately agrees with me. He's saying, everyone privately
agrees with each other, and so just to and again,
Darrel is my pal, But I also you know, he
(14:55):
deserves to have his actual opinion out there correctly. He
then went on say, this lasting legacy the NBA bubble
is that the NBA should be proud of its leadership
at both the beginning and the end of pandemic, even
though the champion will forever be marked by an asterisk.
And he again is saying there because that's the way
seemingly everyone else feels. And so here is I said
(15:19):
to you guys a couple months ago that the vast
majority of NBA myths fall into one of two categories.
Not all, but the vast majority. Category one is uplifting
Michael Jordan, and category two is tearing down Lebron James.
And there is no greater example of that than the
(15:43):
revisionist history on the Goddog bubble. So here is the
accurate timeline of the Los Angeles Lakers winning the twenty
twenty NBA Championship. Okay. In twenty eighteen, Lebron James was
(16:08):
universally hailed as by a wide margin, the best player
in the NBA, dragging a Cleveland Cavalier team to the
NBA Finals with a playoff run that had an all
time record eight forty point games, two true buzzer beaters,
(16:33):
two game seven victories, one of which on the road,
and what some consider the single greatest individual performance any
players ever had fifty one to eight and eight in
game one of the twenty eighteen NBA Finals, where with
(16:54):
no other because Kevin Love was not was had gotten
banged up the end of the Celtics series with no
one around him against Steph kd Clay Draymont. That's who
Lebron was in twenty eighteen. In twenty nineteen, he goes
to the Los Angeles Lakers, who were in the midst
(17:18):
of the worst half decade stretch in the history of
their franchise, and is playing a game on Christmas Day
when they are a top four as drug that team
to a top four seed in the West and suffers
the first major injury of his career. But at that moment,
there was still no argument and no debate over who
(17:41):
the best player in the world was. That offseason, they
acquire Anthony Davis and instantly become the best the best
team in the league. That Lakers team, pre pandemic, pre
bubble prey with ad started the year twenty four and three,
(18:08):
was running rough shot over everyone. Lebron James was the
leading NBA MVP candidate, and they were the favorite to
win the championship pre pandemic. So what we had was
(18:30):
the Lakers had the best record in basketball, The Lakers
had the best player in basketball. The Lakers had made
the biggest trade an acquisition of any team that offseason
with respect to what the Clippers had done, and they
were the favorites to win the championship. The season then
(18:53):
shuts down post shutdown, or right before the shutdown. Yeahs
had you know, really gone on an unbelievable run, And
the NBA MVP debate came down to two guys, Giannis
or Lebron with hardened kind of lurking because Harden had
(19:18):
made the Key and Westbrook thing work and that team
seemed dangerous. And then we get to the bubble, and
there is no home court which penalized two teams more
than any which were the two teams that had earned
(19:38):
home court advantage Lebron's team and Giannie's team, Lebron's team
which won the West by four games, and Janice's team,
which won the East by four games. And then the
bubble happens, and the playoff bracket is set, and every
(20:05):
single potential pitfall or matchup that people are convinced is
a bad matchup or the toughest possible path hits the Lakers.
We can now pretend it did not happen, but Dame
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and Portland were the scary team that nobody wanted to
face in Round one, and the Lakers drew them with
no home court advantage, and after losing Game one, dispatched
of them in five. Then the Rockets with the one
(20:49):
year Harden and Westbrook worked that Rockets team with James
Harden being third and MVP voting that year and Russ
the last actual really good season of his career on
a at least that involved winning It's Round two. The
Lakers get the Rockets and they lose Game one and
(21:12):
then dispatch of them in five. And then you get
the Denver Nuggets with a healthy Jamal Murray, who would
not lose another playoff series with a healthy Jamal Murray
four years, and Anthony Davis plays the best basketball of
(21:35):
his life, Lebron James in a closeout game goes thirty eight, sixteen,
and ten, and they dispatch of the Nuggets in five.
And then in the NBA Finals, oh, they get a
fluke of a team that definitely wouldn't have made the
(21:58):
finals if not for the Bubble, the Miami Heat, who
responded by the way to that finals trip by two
years later making Game seven of the conference finals, and
the year after that making the NBA Finals again, and
in those finals, Lebron James plays close to perfect basketball,
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reminding people once again that he's still the best player
in the world when he averaged thirty twelve and nine
on fifty nine to forty two splits to finish off
a playoff run where again the best player in the world,
(22:48):
Lebron James averaged for the postseason twenty eight eleven and
nine on fifty six percent from the field. That team
won the championship. And then how did they defend their
title when the bubble was done? The next season they
(23:14):
started twenty one and six. Well they I mean they
started actually eleven to three, and they had the best
record in basketball or in the Western Conference was maybe
the Western Conference or basketball the day Solomon Hill stumbled
(23:37):
into Lebron's ankle and he got hurt. So before the pandemic,
they were the best team in the league with the
best player in the league. During the pandemic, they had
home their home court advantage they had earned taken from
them and got what people were calling at the time
(23:57):
a nightmare path. Damon one Harden and rust In round two,
Joker and Jamal Murray in round three and dust them
all in five in the finals. People think, oh, they
got lucky, they don't have to face Yeah, honest, they
(24:18):
don't have to face. I think Toronto was actually the
two seed that year. That would have been no problem,
and they got this fluke of a team in Miami,
except for the fact that Miami a couple of years
later beat Milwaukee again and came within a jump shot
of going back to the finals, and then the next
year did go back to the finals and the best
(24:41):
player in the world played peak basketball, and then the
next season they start twenty one and six. The idea
that the wrong champion was crowned, the idea that that
was an easy or fraud or lesser path win. The
(25:06):
only basketball, tangible basketball thing that was altered was no
one had home court, and so the only tangible damage
that was done to any of the teams were the
teams that would have had home court throughout, and that
(25:27):
was the Los Angeles Lakers. And every single person watching
knows that if the Milwaukee Bucks, who were the one
seed and had the league MVP, it's like the Lakers,
who were the one seed and had the second or
(25:48):
the runner up for League MVP. If the Bucks had
won that title, there's not a person in the world
that would be like fake title. If the I don't
even know if the Warriors made the playoffs that year.
I don't think they did. Certainly, though, if the Clippers
with Kawhi and Paul George instead of absolutely mortifyingly folding
(26:16):
against Denver, had won the title, no one be calling
it a fake title, because ultimately that discussion is not
about how real or fake a title is. That discussion
is about dis either dislike or jealousy of Lebron James.
(26:40):
And now our chat says seventy nine percent say yes,
the Bubble title is legit. Our chat probably skews a
little Lebron and Laker fan heavy, but you cannot say
that the team with the bat record and the best
(27:01):
player in the world with a very difficult path, who again,
the team they beat in the conference finals validated their
appearance there by winning a championship a couple of years later.
The team they beat in the NBA Finals validated their
appearance there by making the finals a couple of years later.
(27:24):
You cannot argue. And then they validated it themselves by
being an awesome team the next year before Bron got hurt.
It's just such horseship and deep down everybody knows it.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
What's up to was like horse crap. It's funny, but yeah,
I saw it in the rundown last night. You went
on the RAMT. But I instantly thought, like, how many
of those people that say that it wasn't legitimate just
don't like Lebron And it's funny that.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
I mean, that's all it is. You can everybody knows.
Everybody knows that if the Clippers, who weres everyone's team
of the flavor of the month that year and Kawhi
had won the title, no one would be saying it
doesn't count. And everybody knows if uh Yannis had won
(28:22):
the title, because those were the next two favorites. It
was Lakers, Bucks, Clippers were the favorites kind of all year,
had won the title, no one be saying it didn't count.
It's just so stupid, just so.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
Incredibly the calm court advantage, but obviously both ways.
Speaker 1 (28:42):
But it goes both ways, but it hurts the team
that's damaged by it is the top seed. Yeah, like
that's the and so it just such utter silliness. All right, Uh,
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Speaker 1 (30:45):
All right, demonse, let's keep going.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
Preseason is here tonight, starting all for the Hall of
Fame game with the Chargers and lines. Trey Lance is
going to be starting for LA while you're why you're guys,
number five ranked quarterbacks watching from the sideline. Which would
you rather discussed Danny Parkins quarterback rating rankings or the
game itself.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
Well, there's not much discussed with the game itself except
Trey Lance did have If you remember an all time
preseason game last year, I think, do you the I'm
trying to pull it up real quick, the he gosh,
darn it, can say maybe one of the producers can
get it for me. The he had a preseason game
(31:28):
where I think he had five turnovers and like four
hundred yards. It was the the it was yeah, I
mean it was the here we go, I've got it
right here. Trey Lance played all ninety three Gosh darn it,
Trey Lance. I can't. I'm not signing up for the
(31:51):
Shreveport Bossier City Advocation. Listen. I do support local news,
but I can't pay for the Shreveport Bossier Advocate just
to get this Trey Lance info.
Speaker 2 (32:03):
It's twenty three yards, one touchdown, five interceptions.
Speaker 1 (32:10):
Yeah, and I there we go, Thank you guys. And
I also think he had like one hundred yards rushing.
He had ninety yards, so he had he had four
hundred and thirteen total yards, two touchdowns, five picks played
every snap. It was just a Tour de Force game.
So that part is actually kind of exciting to see
what he does today. But Danny's quarterback rankings are just
(32:33):
an abomination, and it just begs the question why why
do we play the games if they're not going to count?
And again they are. I might be being a little
(32:54):
harsh because the rankings are actually Danny's rankings go Mahomes,
Alan Burrow, Lamar, Herbert, Stafford, Jaden Goff, Baker, Hurts. So
here's the when I say they're an abomination, here's what
I mean, Or here's here's what's unfair about that. If
(33:15):
he's simply flipped Hurts and Herbert, they're totally legitimate ranking,
And that's not I'm not saying that's how I would
have it one through ten. But if it went Mahomes,
Alan Burrow, Lamar, Hurts, Stafford, Jaden Goff, Baker, Herbert, that's fine,
Like there's nothing crazy about that. But having Justin Herbert
(33:37):
ahead of Matt Stafford, Jaden Daniels, Jared Goff, Baker, Mayfield,
and Jalen Hurts for nothing other than vibes it's just
it's just ridiculous. And so now you demons, do you
(33:57):
have an issue with people who put Burrow ahead of Lamar? No,
I could.
Speaker 2 (34:06):
I could see those. I can flip those on any
given day. I feel like so I could pull Lamar
before before Brow. I'm also not mad at Burrow being
before Lamar.
Speaker 1 (34:16):
I'm not mad at Burrow being ahead of Lamar. However, again,
my job on this pod is to just be sports.
The sports worlds ras ah Ghoul and you know, create
balance in the world where there otherwise isn't let me
defend Lamar for a moment here. It is unfair in
(34:40):
my opinion to penalize Lamar for bad postseason performances and
then lift up Joe Burrow, who the last couple of
years has had nonexistent postseason performances, you know what I mean.
So that is it's a weird because you can't argue
(35:04):
as great as Burrow has been was in the regular
season last year, a lot of the MVP voters, all
pro voters, a lot of people thought Lamar was better.
And then obviously the year before Lamar was better in
the regular season. Is Burrow was hurt and wasn't that
effective early and Lamar won league MVP, and so the
(35:25):
knock on Lamar's postseason performances. But Burrow hasn't been in
the postseason, So like that one I do think is
a little.
Speaker 2 (35:32):
Much of Lamar is my guy and you're ripping into
him the other day on Tuesday. But as postseason success,
I really can't argue, like that's that's fair. But how
much of that stuff is Burrow's fault? How much of
that stuff is Lamar's fault? As far as the postseason
what happens, Like with Joe Burrow, You're saying he was
banged up and then had a terrible defense last year.
Speaker 1 (35:52):
I just think, well, no, That's what I'm saying is yes,
those are true factors, but I'm also not going to.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
Use it as a metric like when when ranking them.
Speaker 1 (36:04):
Well, no I I what I'm not gonna do is
say after the regular season, Lamar is higher than Burrow,
Burrow misses the playoffs, Lamar plays poorly in the playoffs,
and then Lamar gets dropped beneath Burrow, like the because
(36:24):
you can't, yep, showing up to a test and failing
it is still better than skipping the test. Like not
showing up and so like you got you got more,
you got some questions, right, and so like the and
and so that's the so I listen, I don't think
(36:46):
having Burrow ahead of Lamar is outrageous, but it's not
what I would have And and then it starts getting
you know, then we start figuring out where exactly do
you have heard? And the Hurts ranking is really interesting.
And I tried to make this point on TV yesterday
and I did it kind of ham handedly, which is
(37:08):
Eagles fans right now. And I get it. They're feeling themselves.
You won the chance Super Bowl, you should absolutely be thrilled,
But they kind of want the best of both worlds.
They want everyone to acknowledge how utterly stacked their roster is,
(37:33):
how great, Howie Roseman's done, how good they are, you know,
in every way, shape and form. They want all of that,
but they also don't want any of us to incorporate
any of that into our evaluation of Jalen Hurts. Like
they want everyone to bend the knee that they have
(37:53):
the best overall roster in football by a mile, but
also pretend like we think Jalen Hurts is carrying just
a regular team. And so now I think Hurts has
been clearly excellent in huge spots, and I think Hurts
I think having Hurts ten like Danny did is too
(38:14):
you know, a bridge too far. But I also think
that it is you view it differently than if Josh
Allen had won the Super Bowl last year with the
team he had, Jalen winning it last year with the
team he had. I just think there is some nuance there.
Eagles fans, on the other hand, won us all to
(38:36):
be like, you have the greatest roster in the league.
It's Sakwan's a Hall of famer. How he drafts better
than everyone, the best wide receiver duo, the best offensive line.
And I'll also Jalen Hurts got no help, like, which
is the you're not gonna You're not gonna get that?
All right, let's keep going.
Speaker 2 (38:57):
Speak. Wait, where are you gonna be bettering on the game?
Speaker 1 (39:00):
First off, No, I'm not betting on the Hall of
Fame game. I will be betting on football this year, obviously,
but I'm not betting on the Hall of Fame game.
Speaker 2 (39:09):
Oh but yeah, speaking of the Hall of Fame game,
are there any sure fire Hall of famers she would
like to play your flag on right now.
Speaker 1 (39:17):
So this is something we do every year and so
and if the producers could just kind of create a
running list in the dock and if we can, and
if the if anyone in the chat thinks I'm leaving
somebody out, tell me because like I'll give you an example,
(39:40):
like I could. I'm not going to now because I
mentioned it, but I could forget that Von Miller is
now on Washington and Von Miller is a short you
know what I mean. But we'll just go team by
team and try to do this. The Buffalo Bills, the
Bills have zero sure fire Hall of Famers on defense
(40:04):
and one and one only sure fire Hall of Famer
on offense, and that's Josh Allen. And Josh was not
a sure fire Hall of Famer prior to last year,
but the unbelievable stats that now go along with a
(40:27):
regular season MVP that puts him their hands down. Hands
downs maybe wrong, but he's a Hall of Famer. So
we're at one for the Buffalo Bills. The Miami Dolphins
have one sure fire Hall of Famer and that's Tyreek Kill.
(40:48):
There is I think that ooh, this is interesting. This
is interesting toa No too is not in two is
not even anywhere close. No. I was thinking Minca MinC,
(41:13):
but Minca Fitzpatrick is definitely not sure fire. And the
the and let me just do something because the Dusty,
if you're watching the First Things First Production Room, just
tell Brew I'll talk to him about the Maury Lebron's story.
We should do it. Even though Darryl's slightly misquoted there.
(41:36):
I'm getting a thousand texts on this group thread about
everybody arguing about this because I I can't chime in
because I'm doing this. Minca is Minca has had a
very nice career and he's a three time All Pro,
so he has a chance, but he's not sure fire.
(41:56):
Tyreek is sure fire, and there is no one else
on the Dolphins that is anywhere close to it. All right,
the Patriots, the Patriots have no one right like definitely
right now, there's certainly no one on their offense and
(42:17):
there is certainly no one on their defense. Now. Part
of that's because the team's so young, so like that's
not as you know, that's not a not to say
the team has no talent or anything. But again, the
exercise we're doing right now, is if they were to retire,
are they in the Hall of Fame? Basically? And the
(42:38):
Jets are in a similar spot. So in the AFC East,
the shore Fire, active Hall of famers are Josh Allen
and Tyreek Kill the AFC North right now, the Cincinnati
(43:00):
Bengals have zero. Now, jamar Is and Joe are on
Hall of Fame trajectories, but they are not anywhere close
to having established it, you know what I mean? Does
that make sense? Like if they Jamar's got to do
(43:22):
this for another five years, Joe has to do this
for at least another four years plus get some type
of He either has.
Speaker 2 (43:34):
To or if he just won a Super Bowl like
next year.
Speaker 1 (43:37):
That's what I was gonna say, right, he either has
to like clip an MVP, win a Super Bowl or
just another like six years of these awesome numbers like
one one or the other. So the Bengals have none.
The Browns have one in Miles Garrett obviously, no one
(44:00):
on offense. Sorry, Joe Flacco, you're not getting a look.
He did win a Super Bowl and has a lot
like big numbers, but he's not He's not there. Denzel Ward,
not close, but Miles Garrett is already in. Miles Garrett, No,
(44:20):
I said Flacco. Flacco's not gonna make it. He won
the Super Bowl and he won the Super Bowl MVP,
and he does have big counting stats. He's not making it.
Miles Garrett, six time All Pro, over one hundred career sacks,
a Defensive Player of the Year. He's obviously in the
(44:44):
Steelers amazingly, Demons, I think you have maybe four. So
the Steelers have as sure fire Hall of famers A
Rogers and TJ. Watt. Those guys are locked, right Jalen Ramsey,
(45:09):
who is on the Steelers now, I believe he is locked.
And then Cam Hayward, five time All Pro, seven time
Pro Bowler, A Walter Peyton Man of the Year. I
think he's getting in. So that is four future Hall
(45:36):
of Famers on the Steelers, which is kind of crazy. Yeah,
and are we the I mean it. So he's getting in.
And then the Ravens. The Ravens have right now they
(45:57):
have two with a couple guys who could get there
or no, I'm sorry, I apologize. The Ravens have three
with a couple guys who could get there. Lamar is
locked Henry. Derrick Henry is locked and DeAndre Hopkins is
(46:18):
going to get there. So and then the guys who
could but have a long way to go, Kyle Hamilton
and Roquan Smith, but those are they have three locks,
and Lamar Henry and Hopkins. All right, the Titans have
(46:46):
nobody the there's not like an old player on that
team that I'm forgetting. The nine Jeffreys. Jeffrey Simmons has
a chance, but you know he's got a ways to go.
So the Titans where he were done with easily. The Colts,
(47:08):
I feel like Quinton Nelson is getting in. Let me
check his accolades. Quenton Nelson, five time All Pro, seven
time Pro bowler. He's in. So the Colts do have one.
Shout out Quinton Nelson. Jonathan Stewart's not gonna make it.
(47:31):
DeForest Buckner is an underdog to make it, but they've
got one in Quinton Nelson. The Jags have none, right,
there's no one on the Jags I'm forgetting. Nope. And
then the Texans, as far as guys that are already,
(47:54):
they've already done enough. No one on offense, Joe Mixon's
not made it. Nick Chubb's not making it, and their
defensive players are too young. Chauncey Gardner, Johnson's not making it.
Stingley and Will Anderson, you know you've got miles to go.
Danell Hunter is not quite that caliber. All right, Now
(48:16):
to the AFC West and then we'll do We'll see
where we're at on the whole AFC. The Broncos again,
I think that Pat s or Tan is building quite
the resume, but it's too early, and certainly no one
on their offense is has done anything close to enough yet.
(48:39):
So the Broncos are out. The Chargers have no one
on the offense, and defensively, Khalil Mack, I think he's in.
(49:02):
Khalil Mack. Let me look at the career five time
All Pro, nine time Pro Bowl, all decades. Yeah, one
hundred and eight sacks defensive player er Khalil Max in
Derwin James. As much as I like him, I don't
think he's in yet. Uh So, four time All Pro,
(49:26):
four time Pro Bowler, he probably needs a little bit more.
The Raiders are true. The Raiders no one on offense obviously,
and Max hasn't done enough yet. Max is creating a
(49:47):
Hall of fame resume, but he hasn't done enough yet.
And then the chiefs. Mahomes is locked, Kelsey is locked,
and Chris Jones is locked. And that's the list. So
in the AFC, the following players are in the Hall
(50:14):
of Fame. Josh Allen, Tyreek Kill, Miles Garrett, TJ. Watt,
Jalen Ramsey, Cam Hayward, Lamar Jackson, Derrick Henry, DeAndre Hopkins,
Quenton Nelson, Khalil Mack, Patrick Mahomes, Travis Kelcey, Chris Jones.
How many guys is that five? Fiften? It's fifteen, I think,
(50:37):
So we've got fifteen with again, you know, Morgan Minka
is probably not making it. And then Burrow Chase I
would imagine make it, but we can't call him locks yet.
Kyle Hamilton, Roquant Smith, Patzer, Tanderwin, James, Max Crossby. But
fifteen locks. And this speaks to why making the Hall
(50:58):
of Fame is so difficult in this league. So these
guys are going to retire the you know, a couple
of year coming up, and the only let five in
and then guys who are waiting. It's not five new spots,
it's like two new spots it's really hard. All right,
Let's go to the NFC. The as Cowboys that are
(51:21):
Lock Hall of famers. Right now, it's none. Dak is
not gonna make it, and Micah is a great bet
to make it, but is too young, you know what
I mean. Like, there's nobody from MICA's same draft classes.
Jamar Chase, he's in the exact same boat where you
(51:43):
think that he has a really good chance to do it,
but is the you know, and oh and Zach Martin's
you know, their offensive line hall of famers are gone now.
The Giants, I I don't think Russell's gonna make it.
(52:06):
Dexter Lawrence needs to do a lot more, as is
Brian Burns. I think Russell Wilson right now is on
the outside looking in. The Eagles are really interesting because
(52:27):
right now, Demons, the Eagles only have one absolute Lock
Hall of Famer in Lane Johnson. Their right tackle, Sequon
is on track now, but needs a little bit more,
you know what I mean, Like just because he hasn't
(52:48):
had enough great seasons. Aj Brown I think is on track,
and Jalen Hurts is on track. He's at he has
an all Pro season, he has been to two super Bowls,
he's won one. But the only guy on the Eagles
that could retire today and get and be certain they're
(53:13):
getting in is Lane Johnson and the Commanders. We already
said von Miller, and that's the only guy. Von Miller
is a Hall of Famer. Oh no, that's not the
(53:33):
only guy. I almost screwed that up. Bobby Wagner's definitely
making it. They're inside linebacker Bobby Wagner's there's no question
he's making it. So they're older guys and they're on
their defense. But the Commanders have two. So uh and
(53:54):
I again, I am I'm not. I'm only saying guys
that so that the only guy that I've said is
a lock that I actually think might not na he
Walter Pittman of The europe Carrier and Cam Heyward again,
you gotta be very choosy with the locks. Friend of
(54:14):
the show and host of I hope he doesn't mind
me quoting him on this. I think the best daily
NFL podcast there is, NFL Daily. Greg Rosenthal chimes in,
Russell Wilson makes the Hall of Fame eventually, but not
a Lock. Maybe I think he might need one more
little push, all right, so let's keep going. I just,
(54:38):
I just he was on a great Hall of Fame
trajectory post Seattle, but it's gone so badly for him
since then. All Right, the Chicago Bears, I think Joe
Toney is now in. Joe Tooney, who has what does
he have? Three super bowls.
Speaker 2 (54:57):
For?
Speaker 1 (54:58):
No? Four super Bowls? Four all pros. I think Joe
Tooney is in, and I don't think anyone else on
that team is a lock. I mean, obviously Caleb's gonna
make it, but probably too early to call the lock.
(55:19):
The Lions, that's an interesting one. Do the Lions have
a single Lock Hall of Famer on the team? The
answer to that question is no. As good as they
are now, part of that's because they're so young, Like
on the defensive side of the ball, they're so young,
but and really on often I mean that they're.
Speaker 2 (55:42):
A younger team.
Speaker 1 (55:44):
Yeah, I would bet a lot of money that Panay
Sewell eventually makes it. They're right tackle. But he again,
he's in the same boat as Micah and Jamar, which
is you just haven't done enough yet. The Packers, I'm
quite certain have no have nobody. I mean, they're like
(56:10):
Kenny Clark's been there forever. He's not a Hall of
Fame level player. Xavier McKinney's really good, he's not a
Hall of Fame level player. Yeah, so the Packers have
nobody that is a Hall of Fame lock, the vite man.
This is tough. I would Justin Jefferson is going to
(56:35):
make the Hall of Fame, but he has he probably
needs to be a lock for it. He probably needs
two more years. I mean, he's a he's four time
All Pro, four time Pro bowler, and an Offensive Player
of the Year. It's close, but if you were to
(56:55):
walk today, he's not in yet. But he is as
we can put him in heavy ink. But I'm not
gonna include him on the list yet just because he
hasn't played quite long enough. Jonathan Allen's not a Hall
of Famer, so the Vikings don't have anyone. It's interesting
right now, it seems like how many more? Yeah, so
(57:19):
much of it demonte is because good teams are young,
you know what I mean, Like they're not the Falcons.
Jake Matthews is not a Hall of He's been there forever,
but he's not a Hall of Famer. And you know,
quality player forever not a Hall of Famer, and they
(57:42):
obviously have no one on defense, unless I'm forgetting Jesse
Bates is building a resume, but he's not there yet.
So the Falcons have nobody. The Saints have one who's
going to be a Hall of Famer in Cam Jordan,
I mean Cam Jordan. His sack numbers are insane, like
(58:05):
the It's really interesting because he's never had like a
twenty sax season. In fact, I don't even know if
he's ever had a sixteen sax season. But he's got
one hundred and twenty one sacks. He's making the Hall
of Fame, and do Mario Davis is not, and that's
(58:25):
obviously nobody on that. Alvin Kamara, yeah, I don't think
he's I don't think he's there. I think he is
in the same boat sadly that my guy Jamal Charles
(58:45):
is gonna be in awesome, but not quite there. And
Harrison Smith, who Paul mentions two time All Pro, six
Pro Bowls, is nice. Don't think he gets in. It's
too hard. It's too hard man, all right. For the Bucks,
(59:08):
I the Bucks have one one guy who at this
point is a lock in Mike Evans and no one else. Oh,
Levante David Is he gonna three time All Pro? No,
(59:35):
it's a great player, can't call it. Mike. Mike Evans
is the one lock the Bucks have and the Panthers
without looking I feel confident in saying the Panthers have nobody.
So I mean Adam feeling very nice career, obviously not
a Hall of Famer, and yeah, the Panthers have nobody.
(59:59):
All right, Ram, this is an interesting one. I don't
think Stafford is a lock, which means the Rams don't
have any luck. Oh, sorry, DeVante Adams is a lock.
Davante's getting in, but Stafford again Stafford. Stafford versus Russ
(01:00:24):
is gonna end up being an interesting one that gets debated.
But I don't think Stafford's a lock. I think he
will get in, but I would not bet my net
worth on it. The Cardinals do they have anybody the
(01:00:44):
Oh Kalayas Campbell. Gosh, I can't believe he's still in
the league. He was in the eight draft class. So
kalay Is Campbell one hundred and ten sacks, two time
All Pro, but six time Pro Bowl and All Decade
and a Walter Payton man of the Year. He's getting in.
Clay Is Campbell call him a lock. And now we're
(01:01:10):
down to two teams. The Seahawks Cooper Cups not a
Hall of Famer. They DeMarcus Lawrence is not a Hall
of Famer. The Seahawks have nobody. And the forty nine Ers,
(01:01:32):
who you know, lost a lot of their kind of
veteran guys. I think the forty nine ers only have
two locks. Well, no, they know they probably have three.
(01:01:53):
Trent Williams is a definitive lock, Fred Warner a definitive lock,
and George Kittle's a lock. George Kittle's five time All Pro.
So Trent, Warner and Kittle are locks. Nick Bosa has
(01:02:16):
a chance and that's the end of it. So oh,
I'm sorry. Christian McCaffrey obviously has a chance, but he's
not in yet. Two you know he had it's just
doesn't have enough healthy seasons. So here's what we've got
(01:02:38):
in the NFC, Lane Johnson, Von Miller, Bobby Wagner, Joe Tooney,
cam Jordan Mike Evans, DeVante Adams, Kaleis Campbell, Trent Williams,
Fred Warner, George Kittle. In the AFC, Josh Allen, Tyree Hill,
Miles Garrett, TJ. Watt, Jalen Ramsey, Cam Hayward, Lamar Jackson,
Derrick Henry, DeAndre Hopkins, Quenton Nelson, Khalil mcpatrick, Holmes, Travis Kelce,
(01:03:01):
Chris Jones. So that means we have right now, you know,
twenty five to thirty lock Hall of Famers. Justin Jefferson
who is going to make it, Jamar Chase who I
would be shocked if he doesn't make it. You know, Micah,
Saquon Burrow are all in Root, Piney Sewell is in Root.
(01:03:29):
C mc needs one more great year, but it is
it's just hard to make. Man, if you're waiting and
you see these guys retiring, like, it's just hard to
make the Hall of Fame. I hope that was interesting
for the audience. I find it interesting. I love doing that.
But in might.
Speaker 2 (01:03:49):
That you or was as I can?
Speaker 1 (01:03:52):
I mean, well, I mean I kind of meant the
I consider Justin Jefferson and Micah and those guys young guys,
but guys like super young guys. No, the Hall of
Fame's hard. Non Jaden, no, Jade Listen. Jaden had an
amazing first year Jamior Gibbs is an interesting one. Hard
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because we spent so much time on the uh, the
Hall of Fame stuff, we're not gonna be able to
(01:06:48):
get to every single thing.
Speaker 2 (01:06:50):
So Brown's owner Jimmy Haslim has distanced himself from the
Shador Sanders pick, saying that the GM was the one
who made that call and not him, So why would
he wants stake on such a low risk, high reward situation?
Speaker 1 (01:07:04):
So listen, I think he is just trying to I
don't think he's trying to distance himself as much as
what he's trying to do is make it clear or
at least clean up a bit. No, the GM's in charge,
not me. Here is what I find so interesting about
the Chador situation right now. I was not a Shadoor guy.
(01:07:29):
I was one of I think the first people in
the mock draft community that had Shador early in the process,
slipping to the back half of round one, talking about
that the Steelers might not need to trade up if
they need to get him. I talked a lot about
how I thought there was too much discussion about Shador's
(01:07:52):
personality and not enough discussion about his lack of arm talent,
and I just didn't look at him as like a
blue chip prospect. So I was not a Shatore guy.
And now the however, because of where he is and
the quarterbacks that he is competing with, I find myself
feeling like they've got to start him at some point.
(01:08:13):
Because here's the deal. Kenny Pickett is injured and not
an NFL quarterback. There is there is a zero percent
chance Kenny Pickett is the Steeler's answer at quarterback. Zero percent.
The Steelers, pardon me, there is a zero percent chance
he wasn't The Steelers answer that Kenny Pickett is the
(01:08:35):
Browns answer at quarterback, so cross him out. Joe Flacco
is forty years old. There is a zero percent chance
Joe Flacco is their long term answer at quarterback, so
cross him out. Dylan Gabriel, sorry, and you're not gonna
(01:08:57):
like this, demase, he's too small. There is a zero
percent chance Dylan Gabriel can be a nice backup, maybe
a spot starter. There is a zero percent chance Dylan
Gabriel is the Browns franchise quarterback three years from now, Shadoor,
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there is a five percent chance Shador is the Browns
franchise quarterback. Got more than one, less than ten somewhere
in there, when the other three guys are a combined
zero percent, and you're gonna be a terrible team. The
moment you know you can start Flacco to start the year,
(01:09:40):
but the moment that the year has gotten away from you,
you gotta play Shador. And that's the other weird thing.
Haslam was like Andrew picks the players, Stefanski sets the rock,
you know, decide two plays, but then also said in
that same SoundBite, obviously, both young guys need to play
(01:10:01):
this year. I mean, Haslm's not the greatest, Donar just
just flat like.
Speaker 2 (01:10:06):
Both of them just saying that this year is like
a waste.
Speaker 1 (01:10:11):
Well, I mean, I don't.
Speaker 2 (01:10:12):
I mean, it seems like both young quarterbacks need to
play this year. You kind of have an idea of
what your.
Speaker 1 (01:10:16):
Season torect correct because they have two first round picks
next year and they yeah, I mean, Haslam's a tough
guy to work for. All Right. It's July thirty, first Demond,
which means we're you know, obviously a day away from August,
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I have to get to work. This was a longer
show than expected. And then I am do you have
Do you have big plans this weekend? Buddy? Just out
of curiosity? You got anything going on? Just watching the eggs?
Speaker 2 (01:15:07):
Nothing huge? Yeah, one hundred percent. Probably will be stopping
myself from opening the incubator.
Speaker 1 (01:15:14):
Okay, well again, my I'm on a semi secret mission.
I'll tell you guys about it on Tuesday. See how
it goes. But the same invite I extended to you
three months ago exists again, So just let me know
the same thing I leave tonight. I leave tonight and
(01:15:41):
I stay until I fly overnight Sunday night Monday morning,
so it's over again.
Speaker 2 (01:15:46):
So yeah, so just yeah, just let me ask me
here go Friday.
Speaker 1 (01:15:50):
Okay, all right, maybe all right? Might be in business,
might be in business?
Speaker 2 (01:15:55):
All right.
Speaker 1 (01:15:55):
Reminder like great, subscribe review to the pod, thank you
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I'll see you guys later. What's right,
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