September 19, 2025 • 41 mins
Jason and Mike reacted to Blake Snell convincing Dave Roberts to let him stay in the game while reliever Alex Vesia was already jogging onto the field. Plus, the high stakes for TNF!
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every single night. And speaking of content again, I go
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I feel like I say this once a week now,
like Jason Stark hey been playing baseball for one hundred
and fifty years, and he always tells me, you're gonna
you see stuff regularly. I've never seen that before. I
have never seen what just happened in the Dodgers Phillies game.
The Dodgers lead it right now, three nothing, in the
top of the eighth inning, Blake Snell, and you know,
(01:31):
the Dodgers' bullpen has been absolutely terrible, trash for the
better part of the twenty twenties, for the better part
of this season, they've been terrible, and they blew it
last night. No hitter for Sho Hao Tani through five.
Bullpen comes in, gives it right up, and they give
up home runs, which is their big thing's been gopher
balls all year. And the Phillies win a game, They
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clinch the NL East, and they party on the Dodgers
field tonight. Blake Snell pitching great right, twelve strikeouts into
the top of the set. He gets two outs, and
things get a little weird right Harper grounds out the
second real Muto flies out, Costillanos walks in there, there's
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a deep drive clove, Costianos walks and then Kepler walks
so now there's runners at first and second. Did you
say Kapler? Kepler? Now Gabe Kapler is not involved in
this anymore. He's eating really healthy, That's what gab keeper
is doing. So he walks back to back guys right,
two out, seventh thinning, and Blake Snell's pitch count is
getting up there and you can tell here we are.
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You know, you walk two guys in a row. This
is it. So Dave Roberts looks out at his infield
and makes the talk motion with his fingers with his hand, going, hey,
go out and talk to him to buy time, because
Alex Vessia is coming in from the bullpen right. So
now this is what happens. This is hey, go out
and talk to buy Vessi a couple more warm up pitches.
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Then when the umpire says they have to break up,
then Dave Roberts comes out to take the pitch out
like we see this all the time. So you see
Roberts and he's got it. He's got his paper in
his hand and he does the talk motion, and so
the infield all goes in. Nobody says anything because they
all know they're there just buying time, waiting for Roberts
to come out. Mookie Bets is just standing there with
his arms folded like okay, And you can hear on
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the broadcast, and I don't know if there was a
little bit like Mookie Bets staring at the dugout, a
little bit like you could tell this was not a
popular decision because now here comes the bullpen when he's
pitched great and the bullpen has sucked. Okay, now again,
I'm watching this a couple of times. I want to
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see it again again. But Bets just standing and you
can tell maybe there's some sort of conversation being had
on the mound at this point of between the guys
about what's happened. Absolutely so Snell is just standing, there's
not really saying anything, and Mookie Bets's just standing there
staring into the dugout. And the umpire comes out to say, okay,
break it up. Dave Roberts starts coming out of the dugout.
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Now at this point they've told Alex Vessia he's coming
into the game. Dave Roberts crosses the line, comes to
the mound and the close up of Blake Snell he's
shaking his head going no, no, no, no, no, not defiantly,
but just no, no, no, no, no, no, no no no.
Roberts comes up and I'm reading his lips, and Snell says,
I got this, I got it, I got it, and
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Robert says something to him. Snell says, I got it,
and Robert says okay, and he goes back into the
dugout and and Snell gets back on the mound and
Alex Vessia, who was already coming into he was saying
the field, yes, he was nearly. I think he was
nearly at the clay and he had to turn around
and go back in, and you can tell Vessia was pissed.
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He's shaking his head going back to the bullpen, like,
now I'm embarrassed because I'm the guy that came into
the game, and now Blake Snell has said, no, I'm
staying in for this right here, okay, because this is
both awesome and really troublesome at the same time, I
can't wait till. Yeah, it's awesome because now here Dave
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Roberts leaves Blake Snell in, right leaves Blake Snell in,
and you can see Vessia is upset. You know, the
bullpen is like, okay, man, Okay, I get them. We
I've been doing our job. Don't embarrass us like that.
And Dave Roberts is a really tough spot, because what
do I do do I I'm gonna piss off my
starting pitcher and it's gonna be a scene here on
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the mound. Who's pitched to Jem Yes? Right, because he
has been fantastic. He's had actually asked you before all
this went down? One career complete game, the no hitter
that he threw. Yeah, and remember he was famously lifted
in a World Series game against the Dogs, went went
to hell. Yes, and the game that one's still swirling
in his dome as well. So, uh so this is
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what's going on. And Roberts then goes back to the
dugout Chavez ravine collapse, goes crazy and Vessie again, VESSI
and back like you see him, He's not happy going
back to the This is not head down, back to
the bullpen. This is I really got embarrassed right here. Now?
Did he come into work? Now? Obviously the plan was
to come in and I think Dave Roberts read the
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room on the mound that was I I can't I
can't take him out right now, man, I can't take
him out of this game because there's gonna be a
mutiny if I do. There'll be an absolute mutiny on
this team if I go to the bullpen here and
something bad happens. So he makes he makes a business
decision there in the moment to leave Snell in the game. Right,
what does Snell do? He strikes out, Kemp comes off
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the field and Roberts is the first guy with his
hands up. Ye had hug Blake's now when he comes, Hey,
completely my idea, the crown the whole night. Yeah, we're
all happy, man, We're all happy. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you
get the light show and everything. After the big strikeout
and everything. Dodger's bat in the seventh inning don't get
a run and Vesia comes in to pitch the top
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of the eighth inning against the Phillies. Now Otani is
just homeward for the fourth run of the game. But
this is the drama where we're at right now, And
sometimes things can be two things, Okay, because this is both.
It could be both great and terrible. Sure, this is
great because a Blake Snell just became a Dodger and
He became the guy that everybody wants out there for
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the first for the game one of whatever playoff is there.
You go to me, not o'tani, not Kershaw, not glass Now,
not Sutton, not Cofax, not Jerry Royce. I'm the guy
in game one. You give me the bleep in baseball, man,
because I got this. And sometimes a player likes Snell
when that's his that's his countenance, and that's who he is.
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You give him the ball and get out of the way.
Right So he became a Dodger right there, man is
he is now everybody's favorite pitcher on the Dodgers right now, Man,
all this he just brought in all kinds of juice
to this team. That's great. The terrible part is, Okay,
you just called out your bullpen for sucking. Okay, I
get that. You don't want to come out and I got,
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I got. But now you know the bullpen has baen
and the bullpen knows they're not been doing their jobs,
and not have to say, wait a minute, man, we's
eating sunflower seeds out here. We don't know. We haven't
been good. So now you have to navigate. You just
you your confidence in your starting pitcher, which is great, right,
but now the bullpen, which you're gonna need in the playoffs.
You chose your starting pitcher over the bullpen, and Vessia
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was embarrassed because he's out on the field coming and
you decided to do that right this way again. But
this is a split this there's no way Dave Roberts
is coming out to the mound telling Blake Snell, hey,
are you okay? You may stay in the game. Right
he had made that decision. No, that's right. You go
out there talk to him and then I'll come out
take him out of the game. And that's it. So
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he made that on the fly decision. Now Roberts, as
great as he is now he's good with the starting pitchers,
Hey man, you're in the team. Loves him for having that.
Now he's got to work on the bullpen. And now
he's got to say, hey, I still love you guys.
This decision was made right here. But no matter how
you cut it up, this bullpen knows, okay, man, you
don't have confidence in me. Now it could wind up
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being great because now they could be this could Sometimes
you have to piss people off to get them to
do what you want them to do. But how is
that gonna play like that's gonna be the big That's
why things can be both great and terrible. This whole
thing could be great, but this can be terrible too,
depending on how the bullpen reacts this. It could be
the thing that spurs them on and says, hey, now
look at his lights out Dodger Bullpen and everybody and
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the playoffs get really boring. Or it could be they
don't have confidence in me. Man. It's hard to go
out there and do and do my job when I
know that's not the case, When I know the next
time I go out there, a starting pitcher is gonna
shake Dave Roberts off and he's gonna stay with Kershaw,
or he's gonna stay with Otan, he's gonna stay with
somebody else, because now this precedent has been set for it.
I really thought Kershaw would be the first guy to
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ever do that. Man, Kershaw's got to say the snell. Hey, Man.
Usually wait till I'm in the dugout and Dave sends
somebody up and I say, no, I'm good, I'm going
back out there. You did that to him in front
of everybody. Man, No, but that's the thing.
Speaker 3 (09:49):
I think we've seen it with Kershaw more.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
Suddenly the stare down into the dugout before like I've seen,
we've seen those circumstances, We've never had it to where
Dave's actually got past the top step and gotten onto
the playing field. Like so this has a bunch of
elements to it, as you say, all right, now you've
got Vessia who look, he took orders, go out, start
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making the walk and gets turned around. Dave Roberts, who's
always criticized for going by the formula, going by the
book and whatever the analytics are saying in a situation,
in this case, one hundred and seven pitches, two on
two out, he got back to back base runners after
the first two out looked like it was going to
be an easy seventh. Instead, now we got the tying
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run coming to the plate and he's able to convince
Dave to back off. Huge moment for Snell. To your point,
he really became a Dodger in this moment. He's had
a pretty good season for what he's been available for.
Right this is only his tenth start of the year.
High priced acquisition something we talked about a little bit
of handwringing given his history, a couple of zy youngs
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and a lot of injury and miss times and miss circumstance. Well,
here he comes up with a monster effort on that
five pitch strikeout of Kemp to finish the inning, and
the place absolutely explodes. But it's all kinds of It
was almost like we were talking about the natural yesterday.
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Did someone just blow up a transformer that we've got issues?
So it really an electrifying moment, but one that you
stand back on, Wow, Dave. Dave walked back to the dugout.
Snell was able to argue his case because he's certainly
a guy that has been a lightning rod through his career.
Go back to him, uh, you know, talking during the
(11:38):
COVID years and and everything with comments that he had
as a gamer and whatever he was doing. But in
this moment, I'm I'm just curious in that bullpen. You
know how this goes over and what the the process was,
and I think we know what it is like. All right.
It was preordained that Snell was not to get an
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opportunity to plead his case, but the look of Mookie
Betts and everybody.
Speaker 3 (12:05):
Gathered around that mound. They needed this in a big way, right.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
They were joking before the show and as we were
sitting in the back min hell, even on the Dodgers
you know, state flagship station, they were kind of JOKINGU,
it'supposed to rain tonight in Los Angeles, wondering if they'd
get a great start out of snow, and then that
these skies would open with a three or four nothing lead.
Well it was three to nothing. Rain hasn't hit yet,
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But I mean this now becomes what potentially is a
lightning rod. I can't wait to hear Dave Roberts post game.
But for Blake Snell, I mean the demonstrative way that
he shaking his head saying no, and then when he
came off the mound after that strikeout, Come on, if
you were looking for juice from this team that wasn't
another show hey Otani home run which he then hit,
(12:54):
but you were looking for something that wasn't named Otani
during this sequence and you finally found it. Yeah, I mean, really,
this is I've never seen this before. And look, sometimes
moments can be both right, it can be and it's
weird that it really depends on how this is spun
after the game and where things are at because the
big thing, look, look the big thing the bullpen is like, hey, okay,
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we understand we're not doing it. You called us out.
That was kind of crappy, right. It depends how like
cause it's here's the thing in life, so so many
things are shaped by reactions to actions instead of the
actions themselves. You could have somebody do something and you
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could have a reaction to it that paints it in
a positive light, or reaction to it the paints and
negative light. It depends on how you react. Doesn't change
the act itself, but how people react to it is
is going to paint how this goes. Right, This was
something where Blake Snell did what he did, stayed in
the game, got the out. They gonna win this game. Now,
this could be This could be portrayed as a big
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watershed moment for the Dodgers and Blake Snell being the
emotional leader, the true number one that the Dodgers have,
and it could be agreement, or it could be one
of those things where behind closed doors, the players are
upset and the relief pitchers are upset. Because this is
a precedent that was set that maybe this could happen again.
Snell's already done it, Otani. I could easily see Otani
doing it. I could easily see Kershaw doing it in
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the playoffs. So I mean this is now, Am I
gonna go out there? Am I gonna get embarrassed? Again? Like?
It depends on the reaction to it. And it's weird
that And I know that I'm getting real psychological in this,
but I feel like I'm, you know, some sort of psychologist.
But really, the the the absolute of an action sometimes
is not shaped until the reaction of it is known.
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And that's and that's a situation right here. Yeah, I
Vessia hadn't come through the door, right If we get
the overhead shot and he's walking from the you know,
his last warm up before coming on to the field,
and then turns around, doesn't matter the fact that he was. However,
many steps into the outfield before he gets turned around
becomes a bit of an issue. So now we have
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to decide is at the bigger end of trust with
a capital T of Blake Snell saying I bleep and
got this, or is it the mistrust of the bullpen.
You have to decide which has the larger coefficient in
this balancing act. And for Dave Roberts, I am going
to sell the hell out of the fact that I
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trusted my guy who said he needed this moment, that
he wanted this moment for this team, which basically it
Instead it was you're not doing it. This was Snell
and the Dodgers on and their body language on the mount.
You are not taking him out of the game, right.
I really think mookie Bets just stands staring into the
dugout the entire time. That was a thing too for him,
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and for him a big deal because the last couple
of weeks he's finally, for lack of a better phraseology,
he's earned his keep because he had a rough year
and whatever is going on outside right he had the
illness back in Japan and everything else. The last month
he's been mookie Bets again. So he's also feeling emboldened
because he's been carrying his weight and they need him
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to every bit of this stretch run. So just an
absolute watershed moment and a little bit of a fun
angle as this game comes towards the close. Man Wow,
And to explain my thought better of how the the
the absoluteness of an action depends on the reaction. I'll
use this as example, a good phraseology. Put that on
(16:32):
a shirt? Is that okay?
Speaker 4 (16:33):
So?
Speaker 1 (16:33):
And I'll use the Jets as an example. Aaron Glenn
gets the job as a Jets head coach, and they
want they tell Aaron Rodgers to fly across Gee so
they can tell him we don't want you anymore. Okay.
Now that's the that's the exact absolute of that situation.
Speaker 3 (16:51):
And on a shirt they might as well said we
hate you right right away.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
So here is so, here is the Jets called Aaron Rodgers.
He came in that a face to face meeting with him,
and they told him they were going in a different direction.
Now that's the story. Was that going to be a
positive story for the Jets or a negative story for
the Jets? Aaron Rodgers it was his reaction because he
could have said, hey, I like the fact that the
Jets thought enough of me to call me in, to
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come all the way to tell me to my face, right,
because that's a you know, how do you break up
with somebody? Some people like doing it over text, some
people want to do it in person. So Aaron Rodgers
could have said that, but instead he said, they make
me fly allway to New York, tell me they don't
want me anymore. I didn't need to get on that plane, which, okay,
I get it. I get both sides of it. But
that was that's that's this story. I get both sides
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of it. I get that, Hey, so and so broke
up with me. What do you do? He texted me, Well,
at least he didn't make you go meet him for
drinks and then do it to your faces embarrassing or
oh man, that guy didn't he didn't make he didn't
do it to you face to face. I have no
respect for that guy. Sometimes the actions that are absolute,
it depends on the reaction. And that's why this is
going to be so interesting following the game to see
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exactly what happens after this and how the Dodgers were
able to spin this, because Dave Roberts clearly it was
a spur of the moment decision, and he read the
room and said, yep, okay, you stay in Snell. I'm
going back. Don't worry about Alex. We'll get you next inning.
You'll be all good. Yeah, because you look at Bessie
has only appeared in three September games. Gave it up
in his appearance on Monday inning pitch to hit the
(18:20):
iarn run, the home run allowed, et cetera. And then
you got to go back to mid August when he
was pitching before that. Man exit out about a Fresca
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Jason Smith Mike Harmon, live from the Fox Sports Radio Studio. Yeah, buddy,
we'll have more on the Dodgers Phillies drama coming up
in a few minutes. The Dodgers deeming it safe enough
for ten Or Scott to pitch right now, Well they
got it outside of a slam. Yeah, yeah, right, because
they scored two runs to make it five nothing to
go into the night. So I was like, all right,
it can only get so bad if he loads him up.
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It's one swing and then they still have to score another.
Dodgers lead the Phillies five to nothing. Top of the
ninth inning, two outs to runnerun Again, we'll have more
on the Blake Snell, Dave Roberts, Alex Vessia. Ooy when
I say I'm staying in a game, mo, Im'm staying
in a game drama. Anybody that had ever said anything
positive about Blake Snell though and his arrival, See, that's
(22:08):
the guy I was talking about, Like, Yeah, where the
hell's that guy been? Man, that's the guy. Let's just
celebrate the fact he guys a little late to the party.
But he got he showed up. He shows up. You
forgot that he was supposed to bring, brought whatever is
supposed to bring. He got that, you know, two buck
chuck and he showed up here with some chuck. Uh.
(22:29):
But you know, it's been a minute since we got
a big Bill Belichick Jordan Hudson controversy. All the controversy
was the beginning of the summer. Uh. Coming off of
the interview with CBS that Bill Belichick did, uh where
Jordan Hudson shut down. Conversation about how they met became
this whole big blank sandwich uh for everyone. And and
(22:50):
Belichick's future with North Carolina was he even a coach.
There was he going to even get to the beginning
of the season because you know, they didn't like the
fact that Jordan Hudson's running around doing a whole bunch
of things, c seed on all his emails. Right, we
know the drama. But it's been a minute. Yeah, I've
been waiting a couple of weeks. Yeah it's been quiet.
But now we have a new one. And this really
(23:11):
is outside of Bill Belichick because the story breaks earlier
today Dancing with the Stars that premiered its latest season
a night ago. Oh boy, New York posts a bunch
of different places have this story that Jordan Hudson was
in negotiations to join Dancing with the Stars, but things
didn't work out because, according to The Daily Mail and
(23:34):
other sources, she wanted creative control. Quote, Jordan was meant
to be on the show and they were pushing for
it for some time. The producers knew they struck gold
getting her, but they couldn't get on the same page.
According to reports, she wanted to push the angle away
from her and Bill Belichick's relationship in their age difference.
(23:54):
She's twenty four, and so she backed out very close
to the of the of the first filming of the
first episode. In fact, there were some interviews Derrek Huff
would judge on the show. Previous dancer on the show
said that, yeah, castmember backed out and things would have
been messy if they stayed and they had to get
(24:14):
somebody very quickly. Who jumped in Now, Derek Huff didn't
say who it was, so okay, So now here is
Jordan Hudson, who could have been on Dancing with the Stars,
but because couldn't gain control of this storyline, backed out
of it. Right now, a little different conversation on this right,
different converse because it needs to be a different conversation
other than what is she doing? She's ruining Bill Belichick
(24:37):
all this stuff. It's embarrassing to see him. He's in
his seventies, she's twenty four. Yes, all of the stuff
we have this is all very familiar terrain we have
trot over. Right. Meanwhile, I'm going through going who the
hell is still going on Dancing with the Stars, And
I'm going through the cast. Yeah. Eventually, eventually Steve de
Sager will be on Dancing with Nice Hey. Elaine Hendrix
is in there, though, so Elaine Boosler will also be honest. Wow,
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hey kids, look up Elaine Boozler, Jason real question, Yeah,
I got you want to be on tight shit, I'll
write your letter.
Speaker 5 (25:08):
That was not my question. Oh okay, go ahead, but
thank you.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
Okay.
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Like all these people I want to and these people
I'd love to meet. Man the Mole. Absolutely the Mole,
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Absolutely the Moll. The hell year was that was? That
was in the early mid two thousands. Yeah, absolutely, all
the Mole. I'd I'd love to be on two thousand
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that show.
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Yeah, yeah, picking come on something that's been on more
than like eight seconds. I mean, that's already like a
season six, then you had a bunch of euro versions,
like it's all over. The euro versions don't count. Okay, No,
if the six seasons, that's fine. Now, Survivor wouldn't work
because I I it't end up being Lord of the Flies.
(26:16):
I'd lose my mind. No, or I'd be on a
I'd be on a cooking reaction. No, that's kind of
where I was head, Like I'd like to run a
food truck. Okay, convinced Tyler Florence that that my stuff's brilliant,
travel the glow, all right, Okay, that's cool, all right,
But I'd also probably end up killing one of the
(26:37):
two people that were on the.
Speaker 3 (26:38):
Truck with me.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
And we have a fatality here on this set because
Harmon has decided to so she's not on Dancing with
the Stars. And this is where she needs an intervention, okay,
because clearly she's choosing this fast line with Bill Belichick
to further her own stardom. Right, that's what we've seen
(27:00):
out of this. Right. Sure, she's got to understand that
her power is limited. Okay, she's dating Bill Belichick in
the pantheon of college football, and certain yeah, he's got
a lot of sway. But if you're you, if you're
gonna gonna take this and use it to further yourself,
(27:23):
you have to understand that your powers of influence and
what you can demand are limited. In sports, you're a
big story, right, but you're not that big a story
where Hey, your behavior and what you think you can
do narrative wise, everybody's gonna capitulate too. Yeah, cloud versus
(27:45):
cloud absolutely.
Speaker 4 (27:46):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
Patrick Mahomes can do whatever he wants to in the
NFL and everybody will capitulate to him. Caitlin Clark can
do whatever she wants to in basketball. People will capitulate
her because she's that biggest star. You're a big star,
and I'm sure every she is filled with reads what
what's said about her on the internet, sees what is
blogged about her. Yeah, I'm a big star. But understand,
(28:07):
your powers of influence aren't that great to the point
where now here are a couple of places that have
told you, yeah, you don't have that kind of influence.
Hard Notch with the Patriot, with the North Carolina. Yeah,
you're not gonna tell us where we're going with our
with our narratives. So yeah, we're not you're not gonna
we're not gonna do this hard notch with with North
(28:28):
Carolina football, Dancing with the Stars. Yeah, but I don't
want it to be there. Yeah, not so much. You're
on You're on the show for one reason, and if
you want to use that as a springboard to to
open you up to doing other things, that's great. But
right now, your relationship with Bill Belichick is why people
care about you and what they're interested in. You have
(28:50):
to be able to feed this for a while longer
if you want to break out of it and then
be a star in your own right right now, it's
not where Okay, I'm dating Bill Belichick. Now I should
be able to call things and no, you can't do that.
You see that. Now you have pulled power plays a
couple of different times and guess what, Yeah, I've been
able to win it. You have to. You couldn't win
(29:10):
the interview on CBS because they used we're not getting
into this right, They used all that. You couldn't even
get that taken out, say don't use that part of
the interview. No, they use that. So now it's three
power plays you have pulled and you have lost all
three of them. Now, if you want to use this
to become a star, you have to understand that, yes,
you're a big deal in the sports world, but you
(29:31):
don't have that unlimited power yet. So if you want
to do these things like Dancing with the Stars or
increase your Q rating on Hard Knocks with North Carolina,
this is what you have to do to do that
other stuff. Right, Like like certain people who are celebrities,
if you're Will Ferrell, right, you have to keep doing
(29:54):
comedy movies in order to keep doing drama because no
one's going to just give you drama movies all the
time because you're a funny. But you could strike a
deal with a company, with a production company that says hey,
or with a studio that says, hey, I'll do these
two comedies, but I'm gonna do this big drama and
you're gonna okay. So he has to understand that if
I want to be taken seriously as an actor, I
(30:16):
have to keep doing comedies so I get the chances
to do dramatic roles. She's got to understand that she's
got to play this up and this is what people
are interested. She's got to be able to be okay
with that if she wants to do other things in
the future. So just a different way to look at
it for her. With what she's done the last few months.
Speaker 3 (30:33):
Yeah, I mean the bigger thing with when you go
to Dancing with the Stars.
Speaker 1 (30:36):
And I'm not gonna claim that I could pick the
people from the Secret Lives of Mormon Wives out of
a lineup, Okay, but they have a television audience. They
have a consistent pull on However, many millions of people
watch that. However, many people subscribe to their TikTok, Instagram,
insert social media sphere here. For her, it all begins
(31:02):
and ends, at least to my thinking, with the association
of Bill Belichick. Has she done.
Speaker 3 (31:07):
Anything else that makes her stand alone?
Speaker 1 (31:09):
I mean, I'm not doing copious researches on her at
this moment, but that's my understanding. How are you famous
the old guys with me? So unless the old guy's
showing up in the studio in a sequence suit and
spinning around like he's outing freaking John, you got no clout.
Nobody cares dating Bill Belichick. Okay, how do I watch
(31:32):
that every day? I don't. I can go watch the
movies of Corey Feldman or I can watch Boy Meets
World with Danielle Fischel. I can go watch Baron Davis
play basketball, or have the old owner of the Clippers
berating him on the sidelines back in the day. If
I can pull that old footage and go on and
on Robert Irwin, I can watch his latest Conservation episodes
(31:56):
and plenty of old footage of his old man hunting downiles,
all of that stuff. Hudson, She's got nothing. Yeah, you
don't have a cell on your own without him attached
at your hip. So it's a losing proposition. And the
fact that it went down that far. I want to
know how many appearances that Bill Belichick was supposed to make,
(32:17):
because that had to be in the contract for it
to get past the first conversation, exit out about a
Fresco exit swollen dome. Jason Smith, Mike Harmon Time Now
to find out what's trending in the wide world of sports.
For the guy who once waved off people coming into
the Updates studio, wanted to stay in, continue to work,
just like Blake Snell. It's Martin Wiz get out of
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here to Seger go home Hays Steve.
Speaker 4 (32:45):
Major League Baseball, The Yankees in the first AL wildcarst
but they beat the Twins ten to five. The Guardians
beat the Tigers ford and nothing. Tigers have lost five
of their last six. Guardians two and a half back
of the final AAR wildcard spot, which is occupied by
Boston in Seattle. After the Astros beat the Rangers five
to two, Red Sox beat the A's five to four
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in extra innings in an absolut leage. The Padres beat
the Mets seven to four. San Francisco over Arizona five
to one. In the Reds beat the Cardinals six to two.
That makes the Diamondbacks a game and a half back
for the final NR wildcard spot. Reds and Giants two
games back. Dodgers beat the Phillies five to nothing.
Speaker 1 (33:21):
And the WNBA.
Speaker 4 (33:22):
Playoffs, the Mercury beat the Liberty eighty six to sixty
of Lisa Thomas led Phoenix with twenty eight points. The
best of three series now tied one apiece. Minnesota beat
Golden State seventy five to seventy four. Minnesota advances through
the first round two games to none. Golden State making
the playoffs in their first year of existence. Also making
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the playoffs, the Chicago Cubs. They clinched the playoff first
since the first time since twenty twenty after beating the
Pirates Washington d C. The City Council voted to approve
a three point eight billion with a B dollar plan
to build a new stadium for the Commanders in Southeast
DC on the current RFA Stadium sites. Stadium set to
open in twenty thirty. Commando's quarterback Jaden and Daniels miss
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practice today with a sprain need that Head coach Dan
Quinn said the earliest Daniels could practice is Friday forty nine.
Coach Kyle Shannan said Brock perty limited in practice Wednesday,
had a chance to play in Week three against Arizona
despite a toe injury and his shoulder injury. Jets quarterback
Justin Field rud out of Week three's matchup against the Bucks.
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He's got a concussion. We saw Khalil mack injer his
left elbow on Monthery Night Football. The Chargers putting him
on IR but expect mac to return at some point
this season. And Patriots cornerback Christia Gonzalez working back from
that preseason hamstring injury he suffered. He did practice on Wednesday.
Speaker 1 (34:42):
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to the chorus. So here we are now less than
twenty four hours from now, we'll be breaking down a
huge Bills victory. Are the Bills and the Dolphins on
Thursday Night Football? Are the Bills the team to beat
in the AFC eight seven? I'm gonna say tooth it.
(36:32):
First thing? Is this really knowing there's been bigger point spreads. Okay, Yeah,
If the Dolphins beat the Bills tomorrow night, it would
be the biggest upset in the NFL of the twenty twenties. Right,
There's been other games that were fourteen seventeen points, Like
we talked about them earlier. But these were just bad
(36:52):
teams beating good teams. This is a Dolphins team that
has gone through Week one where they decide to not
show up for the game, and you know they're going
to break this team up and everybody's going to be
gone Week two in a game they should be unbeatable
in playing at home at one o'clock in September when
they've won like eighty percent of their games in NFL history,
(37:13):
and they lose to the Patriots, things are bad, man,
and they're so bad. If they win this game in
Buffalo on Thursday night, if they win this game, it's
the biggest NFL upset of the twenty twenties. Yeah, I'll
stipulate to potentially being prisoner of the moment, but given
(37:33):
where we are in the pantheon of the the NFL
hallmarks and the season that we are through two weeks, yeah,
there's a lot of potential fallout to this that on
the Dolphin side is catastrophic. For the Bills, It's kind
of like the you know, when you drop a game
(37:53):
in a week. I was like, ah, you'll be fine. Yeah,
try even the Chiefs after two games, like, well, they
played two really good teams. Yeah, eh, they're the Chiefs.
They'll be fine. But this one becomes maybe a little
bit of an eyebrow raiser for McDermott more than anything else,
given their failures to run through in the playoffs. But
it's it's more the all right, can Mike McDaniel rally them?
(38:16):
Is that the conversation we then have to happen. You
win one for Mike and everything's happy and bad. But
because look at the comment you had from Tua earlier
this week, like it sounded like a guy that was
ready to throw everybody out of the locker room. And
that's your quarterback. Now. Here's the other part of Tomorrow
night is that we talk about this a lot. You
(38:38):
could lose forty four to ten Sunday at one o'clock
and it's a bad game and we move on. But
whatever happens on Monday and Thursday night is magnified times
three times five. If the Dolphins, who are in such
incredibly bad shape and have been embarrassed and not showing
up the first Cup like that's a big thing, is
not showing up, this tells you that n tuned Mike
(39:00):
McDaniel out. And what's really happening right now. They feel
like they've they've quit on the season. You know the
two is gonna be on a new team next year.
Tyreek Kill will be gone at the deadline. This is
how it's gonna go. If the Bills beat the Dolphins
big tomorrow night, I keep saying forty four to ten.
Wantch you be forty four ten the Bills beat the
Dolphins big tomorrow night. Mike McDaniel's not the coach of
(39:21):
the Dolphins for their next game. There's no real time
to say, well, we'll do it at the bye. Their
bye is week twelve. I know there's not been a
lot of talking, well, McDaniel's in immediate trouble. I think
everybody seems to know, okay, that he's kind of circling
the drain. But when things happen on a Thursday night
that are really bad, they have ramifications. And you talk
(39:41):
about a three week run for the Dolphins to start
the season of being zero to three, where you're flat
for week one, you're embarrassingly lose a game that should
have been a near a near rubber stamp win. In
week two, and you go in front of national television,
you get and you get crushed on Thursday night. Yeah,
tomorrow night's gonna wind up being the last day. Mike
(40:03):
McDaniel's coaches the Miami Dolphins. No, I see, I find
him too much fun. I'll write a letter on his
Oh no, no, I'll write a letter on his back. Oh
I got a letter. I was gonna fire you, but
I got a letter from Mike Harmon.
Speaker 3 (40:14):
He said it was better for business if you stay.
Speaker 1 (40:17):
Stuff wasn't really spelled right, and there was a lot
of bad capitalization and some syntax errors, but he wants
you to stay. And then he wrote in like cause
it's a whole paragraph saying why do you have to go?
And Greer gets to keep his job. So I decided
to fire both of you.
Speaker 5 (40:35):
Jason Harmon he spoke with.
Speaker 1 (40:37):
Some logic for some reason, and I liked his rationale
careers we're built out. Greer was like, wait a minute,
just because he wrote a letter, I wasn't on the
chopping block for that's what are you doing. It was
a two page letter with a lot of receipts. Two
page letter sinceeriously Mike Harmon Northwestern class of nineteen ninety six,
ninety five, But sure, no, ninety five there and then
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take my Santa Clara NBA and Fo't we'll add that now.
The relationship was that big year for them, right, and
I graduated right before it. Yeah, congratulations. I had the
team that where the guys were on the take. Oh
oh right, I had the ninety four. Oh okay, he's
gonna walk into the end zone here at Kennick the
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balls off the carpet. So there are your stakes for
TNF tomorrow night. Coming up next, we get back into
something again. I've not seen this in baseball ever. I
wonder how things are gonna go following the game that's next.
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(01:09):
I feel like I say this once a week now,
like Jason Stark hey been playing baseball for one hundred
and fifty years, and he always tells me, you're gonna
you see stuff regularly. I've never seen that before. I
have never seen what just happened in the Dodgers Phillies game.
The Dodgers lead it right now, three nothing, in the
top of the eighth inning, Blake Snell, and you know,
(01:31):
the Dodgers' bullpen has been absolutely terrible, trash for the
better part of the twenty twenties, for the better part
of this season, they've been terrible, and they blew it
last night. No hitter for Sho Hao Tani through five.
Bullpen comes in, gives it right up, and they give
up home runs, which is their big thing's been gopher
balls all year. And the Phillies win a game, They
(01:52):
clinch the NL East, and they party on the Dodgers
field tonight. Blake Snell pitching great right, twelve strikeouts into
the top of the set. He gets two outs, and
things get a little weird right Harper grounds out the
second real Muto flies out, Costillanos walks in there, there's
(02:12):
a deep drive clove, Costianos walks and then Kepler walks
so now there's runners at first and second. Did you
say Kapler? Kepler? Now Gabe Kapler is not involved in
this anymore. He's eating really healthy, That's what gab keeper
is doing. So he walks back to back guys right,
two out, seventh thinning, and Blake Snell's pitch count is
getting up there and you can tell here we are.
(02:33):
You know, you walk two guys in a row. This
is it. So Dave Roberts looks out at his infield
and makes the talk motion with his fingers with his hand, going, hey,
go out and talk to him to buy time, because
Alex Vessia is coming in from the bullpen right. So
now this is what happens. This is hey, go out
and talk to buy Vessi a couple more warm up pitches.
(02:55):
Then when the umpire says they have to break up,
then Dave Roberts comes out to take the pitch out
like we see this all the time. So you see
Roberts and he's got it. He's got his paper in
his hand and he does the talk motion, and so
the infield all goes in. Nobody says anything because they
all know they're there just buying time, waiting for Roberts
to come out. Mookie Bets is just standing there with
his arms folded like okay, And you can hear on
(03:18):
the broadcast, and I don't know if there was a
little bit like Mookie Bets staring at the dugout, a
little bit like you could tell this was not a
popular decision because now here comes the bullpen when he's
pitched great and the bullpen has sucked. Okay, now again,
I'm watching this a couple of times. I want to
(03:38):
see it again again. But Bets just standing and you
can tell maybe there's some sort of conversation being had
on the mound at this point of between the guys
about what's happened. Absolutely so Snell is just standing, there's
not really saying anything, and Mookie Bets's just standing there
staring into the dugout. And the umpire comes out to say, okay,
break it up. Dave Roberts starts coming out of the dugout.
(03:58):
Now at this point they've told Alex Vessia he's coming
into the game. Dave Roberts crosses the line, comes to
the mound and the close up of Blake Snell he's
shaking his head going no, no, no, no, no, not defiantly,
but just no, no, no, no, no, no, no no no.
Roberts comes up and I'm reading his lips, and Snell says,
I got this, I got it, I got it, and
(04:21):
Robert says something to him. Snell says, I got it,
and Robert says okay, and he goes back into the
dugout and and Snell gets back on the mound and
Alex Vessia, who was already coming into he was saying
the field, yes, he was nearly. I think he was
nearly at the clay and he had to turn around
and go back in, and you can tell Vessia was pissed.
(04:42):
He's shaking his head going back to the bullpen, like,
now I'm embarrassed because I'm the guy that came into
the game, and now Blake Snell has said, no, I'm
staying in for this right here, okay, because this is
both awesome and really troublesome at the same time, I
can't wait till. Yeah, it's awesome because now here Dave
(05:02):
Roberts leaves Blake Snell in, right leaves Blake Snell in,
and you can see Vessia is upset. You know, the
bullpen is like, okay, man, Okay, I get them. We
I've been doing our job. Don't embarrass us like that.
And Dave Roberts is a really tough spot, because what
do I do do I I'm gonna piss off my
starting pitcher and it's gonna be a scene here on
(05:23):
the mound. Who's pitched to Jem Yes? Right, because he
has been fantastic. He's had actually asked you before all
this went down? One career complete game, the no hitter
that he threw. Yeah, and remember he was famously lifted
in a World Series game against the Dogs, went went
to hell. Yes, and the game that one's still swirling
in his dome as well. So, uh so this is
(05:44):
what's going on. And Roberts then goes back to the
dugout Chavez ravine collapse, goes crazy and Vessie again, VESSI
and back like you see him, He's not happy going
back to the This is not head down, back to
the bullpen. This is I really got embarrassed right here. Now?
Did he come into work? Now? Obviously the plan was
to come in and I think Dave Roberts read the
(06:04):
room on the mound that was I I can't I
can't take him out right now, man, I can't take
him out of this game because there's gonna be a
mutiny if I do. There'll be an absolute mutiny on
this team if I go to the bullpen here and
something bad happens. So he makes he makes a business
decision there in the moment to leave Snell in the game. Right,
what does Snell do? He strikes out, Kemp comes off
(06:27):
the field and Roberts is the first guy with his
hands up. Ye had hug Blake's now when he comes, Hey,
completely my idea, the crown the whole night. Yeah, we're
all happy, man, We're all happy. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you
get the light show and everything. After the big strikeout
and everything. Dodger's bat in the seventh inning don't get
a run and Vesia comes in to pitch the top
(06:47):
of the eighth inning against the Phillies. Now Otani is
just homeward for the fourth run of the game. But
this is the drama where we're at right now, And
sometimes things can be two things, Okay, because this is both.
It could be both great and terrible. Sure, this is
great because a Blake Snell just became a Dodger and
He became the guy that everybody wants out there for
(07:08):
the first for the game one of whatever playoff is there.
You go to me, not o'tani, not Kershaw, not glass Now,
not Sutton, not Cofax, not Jerry Royce. I'm the guy
in game one. You give me the bleep in baseball, man,
because I got this. And sometimes a player likes Snell
when that's his that's his countenance, and that's who he is.
(07:30):
You give him the ball and get out of the way.
Right So he became a Dodger right there, man is
he is now everybody's favorite pitcher on the Dodgers right now, Man,
all this he just brought in all kinds of juice
to this team. That's great. The terrible part is, Okay,
you just called out your bullpen for sucking. Okay, I
get that. You don't want to come out and I got,
(07:52):
I got. But now you know the bullpen has baen
and the bullpen knows they're not been doing their jobs,
and not have to say, wait a minute, man, we's
eating sunflower seeds out here. We don't know. We haven't
been good. So now you have to navigate. You just
you your confidence in your starting pitcher, which is great, right,
but now the bullpen, which you're gonna need in the playoffs.
You chose your starting pitcher over the bullpen, and Vessia
(08:14):
was embarrassed because he's out on the field coming and
you decided to do that right this way again. But
this is a split this there's no way Dave Roberts
is coming out to the mound telling Blake Snell, hey,
are you okay? You may stay in the game. Right
he had made that decision. No, that's right. You go
out there talk to him and then I'll come out
take him out of the game. And that's it. So
(08:35):
he made that on the fly decision. Now Roberts, as
great as he is now he's good with the starting pitchers,
Hey man, you're in the team. Loves him for having that.
Now he's got to work on the bullpen. And now
he's got to say, hey, I still love you guys.
This decision was made right here. But no matter how
you cut it up, this bullpen knows, okay, man, you
don't have confidence in me. Now it could wind up
(08:55):
being great because now they could be this could Sometimes
you have to piss people off to get them to
do what you want them to do. But how is
that gonna play like that's gonna be the big That's
why things can be both great and terrible. This whole
thing could be great, but this can be terrible too,
depending on how the bullpen reacts this. It could be
the thing that spurs them on and says, hey, now
look at his lights out Dodger Bullpen and everybody and
(09:16):
the playoffs get really boring. Or it could be they
don't have confidence in me. Man. It's hard to go
out there and do and do my job when I
know that's not the case, When I know the next
time I go out there, a starting pitcher is gonna
shake Dave Roberts off and he's gonna stay with Kershaw,
or he's gonna stay with Otan, he's gonna stay with
somebody else, because now this precedent has been set for it.
I really thought Kershaw would be the first guy to
(09:38):
ever do that. Man, Kershaw's got to say the snell. Hey, Man.
Usually wait till I'm in the dugout and Dave sends
somebody up and I say, no, I'm good, I'm going
back out there. You did that to him in front
of everybody. Man, No, but that's the thing.
Speaker 3 (09:49):
I think we've seen it with Kershaw more.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
Suddenly the stare down into the dugout before like I've seen,
we've seen those circumstances, We've never had it to where
Dave's actually got past the top step and gotten onto
the playing field. Like so this has a bunch of
elements to it, as you say, all right, now you've
got Vessia who look, he took orders, go out, start
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making the walk and gets turned around. Dave Roberts, who's
always criticized for going by the formula, going by the
book and whatever the analytics are saying in a situation,
in this case, one hundred and seven pitches, two on
two out, he got back to back base runners after
the first two out looked like it was going to
be an easy seventh. Instead, now we got the tying
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run coming to the plate and he's able to convince
Dave to back off. Huge moment for Snell. To your point,
he really became a Dodger in this moment. He's had
a pretty good season for what he's been available for.
Right this is only his tenth start of the year.
High priced acquisition something we talked about a little bit
of handwringing given his history, a couple of zy youngs
(10:57):
and a lot of injury and miss times and miss circumstance. Well,
here he comes up with a monster effort on that
five pitch strikeout of Kemp to finish the inning, and
the place absolutely explodes. But it's all kinds of It
was almost like we were talking about the natural yesterday.
(11:17):
Did someone just blow up a transformer that we've got issues?
So it really an electrifying moment, but one that you
stand back on, Wow, Dave. Dave walked back to the dugout.
Snell was able to argue his case because he's certainly
a guy that has been a lightning rod through his career.
Go back to him, uh, you know, talking during the
(11:38):
COVID years and and everything with comments that he had
as a gamer and whatever he was doing. But in
this moment, I'm I'm just curious in that bullpen. You
know how this goes over and what the the process was,
and I think we know what it is like. All right.
It was preordained that Snell was not to get an
(12:00):
opportunity to plead his case, but the look of Mookie
Betts and everybody.
Speaker 3 (12:05):
Gathered around that mound. They needed this in a big way, right.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
They were joking before the show and as we were
sitting in the back min hell, even on the Dodgers
you know, state flagship station, they were kind of JOKINGU,
it'supposed to rain tonight in Los Angeles, wondering if they'd
get a great start out of snow, and then that
these skies would open with a three or four nothing lead.
Well it was three to nothing. Rain hasn't hit yet,
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But I mean this now becomes what potentially is a
lightning rod. I can't wait to hear Dave Roberts post game.
But for Blake Snell, I mean the demonstrative way that
he shaking his head saying no, and then when he
came off the mound after that strikeout, Come on, if
you were looking for juice from this team that wasn't
another show hey Otani home run which he then hit,
(12:54):
but you were looking for something that wasn't named Otani
during this sequence and you finally found it. Yeah, I mean, really,
this is I've never seen this before. And look, sometimes
moments can be both right, it can be and it's
weird that it really depends on how this is spun
after the game and where things are at because the
big thing, look, look the big thing the bullpen is like, hey, okay,
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we understand we're not doing it. You called us out.
That was kind of crappy, right. It depends how like
cause it's here's the thing in life, so so many
things are shaped by reactions to actions instead of the
actions themselves. You could have somebody do something and you
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could have a reaction to it that paints it in
a positive light, or reaction to it the paints and
negative light. It depends on how you react. Doesn't change
the act itself, but how people react to it is
is going to paint how this goes. Right, This was
something where Blake Snell did what he did, stayed in
the game, got the out. They gonna win this game. Now,
this could be This could be portrayed as a big
(14:02):
watershed moment for the Dodgers and Blake Snell being the
emotional leader, the true number one that the Dodgers have,
and it could be agreement, or it could be one
of those things where behind closed doors, the players are
upset and the relief pitchers are upset. Because this is
a precedent that was set that maybe this could happen again.
Snell's already done it, Otani. I could easily see Otani
doing it. I could easily see Kershaw doing it in
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the playoffs. So I mean this is now, Am I
gonna go out there? Am I gonna get embarrassed? Again? Like?
It depends on the reaction to it. And it's weird
that And I know that I'm getting real psychological in this,
but I feel like I'm, you know, some sort of psychologist.
But really, the the the absolute of an action sometimes
is not shaped until the reaction of it is known.
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And that's and that's a situation right here. Yeah, I
Vessia hadn't come through the door, right If we get
the overhead shot and he's walking from the you know,
his last warm up before coming on to the field,
and then turns around, doesn't matter the fact that he was. However,
many steps into the outfield before he gets turned around
becomes a bit of an issue. So now we have
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to decide is at the bigger end of trust with
a capital T of Blake Snell saying I bleep and
got this, or is it the mistrust of the bullpen.
You have to decide which has the larger coefficient in
this balancing act. And for Dave Roberts, I am going
to sell the hell out of the fact that I
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trusted my guy who said he needed this moment, that
he wanted this moment for this team, which basically it
Instead it was you're not doing it. This was Snell
and the Dodgers on and their body language on the mount.
You are not taking him out of the game, right.
I really think mookie Bets just stands staring into the
dugout the entire time. That was a thing too for him,
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and for him a big deal because the last couple
of weeks he's finally, for lack of a better phraseology,
he's earned his keep because he had a rough year
and whatever is going on outside right he had the
illness back in Japan and everything else. The last month
he's been mookie Bets again. So he's also feeling emboldened
because he's been carrying his weight and they need him
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to every bit of this stretch run. So just an
absolute watershed moment and a little bit of a fun
angle as this game comes towards the close. Man Wow,
And to explain my thought better of how the the
the absoluteness of an action depends on the reaction. I'll
use this as example, a good phraseology. Put that on
(16:32):
a shirt? Is that okay?
Speaker 4 (16:33):
So?
Speaker 1 (16:33):
And I'll use the Jets as an example. Aaron Glenn
gets the job as a Jets head coach, and they
want they tell Aaron Rodgers to fly across Gee so
they can tell him we don't want you anymore. Okay.
Now that's the that's the exact absolute of that situation.
Speaker 3 (16:51):
And on a shirt they might as well said we
hate you right right away.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
So here is so, here is the Jets called Aaron Rodgers.
He came in that a face to face meeting with him,
and they told him they were going in a different direction.
Now that's the story. Was that going to be a
positive story for the Jets or a negative story for
the Jets? Aaron Rodgers it was his reaction because he
could have said, hey, I like the fact that the
Jets thought enough of me to call me in, to
(17:16):
come all the way to tell me to my face, right,
because that's a you know, how do you break up
with somebody? Some people like doing it over text, some
people want to do it in person. So Aaron Rodgers
could have said that, but instead he said, they make
me fly allway to New York, tell me they don't
want me anymore. I didn't need to get on that plane, which, okay,
I get it. I get both sides of it. But
that was that's that's this story. I get both sides
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of it. I get that, Hey, so and so broke
up with me. What do you do? He texted me, Well,
at least he didn't make you go meet him for
drinks and then do it to your faces embarrassing or
oh man, that guy didn't he didn't make he didn't
do it to you face to face. I have no
respect for that guy. Sometimes the actions that are absolute,
it depends on the reaction. And that's why this is
going to be so interesting following the game to see
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exactly what happens after this and how the Dodgers were
able to spin this, because Dave Roberts clearly it was
a spur of the moment decision, and he read the
room and said, yep, okay, you stay in Snell. I'm
going back. Don't worry about Alex. We'll get you next inning.
You'll be all good. Yeah, because you look at Bessie
has only appeared in three September games. Gave it up
in his appearance on Monday inning pitch to hit the
(18:20):
iarn run, the home run allowed, et cetera. And then
you got to go back to mid August when he
was pitching before that. Man exit out about a Fresca
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Jason Smith Mike Harmon, live from the Fox Sports Radio Studio. Yeah, buddy,
we'll have more on the Dodgers Phillies drama coming up
in a few minutes. The Dodgers deeming it safe enough
for ten Or Scott to pitch right now, Well they
got it outside of a slam. Yeah, yeah, right, because
they scored two runs to make it five nothing to
go into the night. So I was like, all right,
it can only get so bad if he loads him up.
(21:45):
It's one swing and then they still have to score another.
Dodgers lead the Phillies five to nothing. Top of the
ninth inning, two outs to runnerun Again, we'll have more
on the Blake Snell, Dave Roberts, Alex Vessia. Ooy when
I say I'm staying in a game, mo, Im'm staying
in a game drama. Anybody that had ever said anything
positive about Blake Snell though and his arrival, See, that's
(22:08):
the guy I was talking about, Like, Yeah, where the
hell's that guy been? Man, that's the guy. Let's just
celebrate the fact he guys a little late to the party.
But he got he showed up. He shows up. You
forgot that he was supposed to bring, brought whatever is
supposed to bring. He got that, you know, two buck
chuck and he showed up here with some chuck. Uh.
(22:29):
But you know, it's been a minute since we got
a big Bill Belichick Jordan Hudson controversy. All the controversy
was the beginning of the summer. Uh. Coming off of
the interview with CBS that Bill Belichick did, uh where
Jordan Hudson shut down. Conversation about how they met became
this whole big blank sandwich uh for everyone. And and
(22:50):
Belichick's future with North Carolina was he even a coach.
There was he going to even get to the beginning
of the season because you know, they didn't like the
fact that Jordan Hudson's running around doing a whole bunch
of things, c seed on all his emails. Right, we
know the drama. But it's been a minute. Yeah, I've
been waiting a couple of weeks. Yeah it's been quiet.
But now we have a new one. And this really
(23:11):
is outside of Bill Belichick because the story breaks earlier
today Dancing with the Stars that premiered its latest season
a night ago. Oh boy, New York posts a bunch
of different places have this story that Jordan Hudson was
in negotiations to join Dancing with the Stars, but things
didn't work out because, according to The Daily Mail and
(23:34):
other sources, she wanted creative control. Quote, Jordan was meant
to be on the show and they were pushing for
it for some time. The producers knew they struck gold
getting her, but they couldn't get on the same page.
According to reports, she wanted to push the angle away
from her and Bill Belichick's relationship in their age difference.
(23:54):
She's twenty four, and so she backed out very close
to the of the of the first filming of the
first episode. In fact, there were some interviews Derrek Huff
would judge on the show. Previous dancer on the show
said that, yeah, castmember backed out and things would have
been messy if they stayed and they had to get
(24:14):
somebody very quickly. Who jumped in Now, Derek Huff didn't
say who it was, so okay, So now here is
Jordan Hudson, who could have been on Dancing with the Stars,
but because couldn't gain control of this storyline, backed out
of it. Right now, a little different conversation on this right,
different converse because it needs to be a different conversation
other than what is she doing? She's ruining Bill Belichick
(24:37):
all this stuff. It's embarrassing to see him. He's in
his seventies, she's twenty four. Yes, all of the stuff
we have this is all very familiar terrain we have
trot over. Right. Meanwhile, I'm going through going who the
hell is still going on Dancing with the Stars, And
I'm going through the cast. Yeah. Eventually, eventually Steve de
Sager will be on Dancing with Nice Hey. Elaine Hendrix
is in there, though, so Elaine Boosler will also be honest. Wow,
(25:01):
hey kids, look up Elaine Boozler, Jason real question, Yeah,
I got you want to be on tight shit, I'll
write your letter.
Speaker 5 (25:08):
That was not my question. Oh okay, go ahead, but
thank you.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
Okay.
Speaker 5 (25:11):
You had to be on a reality TV show?
Speaker 2 (25:13):
What one?
Speaker 3 (25:14):
Oh the Male?
Speaker 1 (25:16):
I Love the Mall. That was my favorite show. Mole's
been dead forever. Can give me something more time? Anderson
Cooper hosted The Mole. That was a big dead He
became a big star after hosting The Mall. It's a
long time and they had celebrity Mole and like Corbyn
Burnston and Steven Baldwin and Ahmad Rashad were on it.
Like all these people I want to and these people
I'd love to meet. Man the Mole. Absolutely the Mole,
(25:37):
Absolutely the Moll. The hell year was that was? That
was in the early mid two thousands. Yeah, absolutely, all
the Mole. I'd I'd love to be on two thousand
and one. Yeah, that's my fau love. That's one thing. Wow,
that show.
Speaker 3 (25:51):
At this point, like The Traders and go Hang with
Alan coming that.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
Yeah, yeah, picking come on something that's been on more
than like eight seconds. I mean, that's already like a
season six, then you had a bunch of euro versions,
like it's all over. The euro versions don't count. Okay, No,
if the six seasons, that's fine. Now, Survivor wouldn't work
because I I it't end up being Lord of the Flies.
(26:16):
I'd lose my mind. No, or I'd be on a
I'd be on a cooking reaction. No, that's kind of
where I was head, Like I'd like to run a
food truck. Okay, convinced Tyler Florence that that my stuff's brilliant,
travel the glow, all right, Okay, that's cool, all right,
But I'd also probably end up killing one of the
(26:37):
two people that were on the.
Speaker 3 (26:38):
Truck with me.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
And we have a fatality here on this set because
Harmon has decided to so she's not on Dancing with
the Stars. And this is where she needs an intervention, okay,
because clearly she's choosing this fast line with Bill Belichick
to further her own stardom. Right, that's what we've seen
(27:00):
out of this. Right. Sure, she's got to understand that
her power is limited. Okay, she's dating Bill Belichick in
the pantheon of college football, and certain yeah, he's got
a lot of sway. But if you're you, if you're
gonna gonna take this and use it to further yourself,
(27:23):
you have to understand that your powers of influence and
what you can demand are limited. In sports, you're a
big story, right, but you're not that big a story
where Hey, your behavior and what you think you can
do narrative wise, everybody's gonna capitulate too. Yeah, cloud versus
(27:45):
cloud absolutely.
Speaker 4 (27:46):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
Patrick Mahomes can do whatever he wants to in the
NFL and everybody will capitulate to him. Caitlin Clark can
do whatever she wants to in basketball. People will capitulate
her because she's that biggest star. You're a big star,
and I'm sure every she is filled with reads what
what's said about her on the internet, sees what is
blogged about her. Yeah, I'm a big star. But understand,
(28:07):
your powers of influence aren't that great to the point
where now here are a couple of places that have
told you, yeah, you don't have that kind of influence.
Hard Notch with the Patriot, with the North Carolina. Yeah,
you're not gonna tell us where we're going with our
with our narratives. So yeah, we're not you're not gonna
we're not gonna do this hard notch with with North
(28:28):
Carolina football, Dancing with the Stars. Yeah, but I don't
want it to be there. Yeah, not so much. You're
on You're on the show for one reason, and if
you want to use that as a springboard to to
open you up to doing other things, that's great. But
right now, your relationship with Bill Belichick is why people
care about you and what they're interested in. You have
(28:50):
to be able to feed this for a while longer
if you want to break out of it and then
be a star in your own right right now, it's
not where Okay, I'm dating Bill Belichick. Now I should
be able to call things and no, you can't do that.
You see that. Now you have pulled power plays a
couple of different times and guess what, Yeah, I've been
able to win it. You have to. You couldn't win
(29:10):
the interview on CBS because they used we're not getting
into this right, They used all that. You couldn't even
get that taken out, say don't use that part of
the interview. No, they use that. So now it's three
power plays you have pulled and you have lost all
three of them. Now, if you want to use this
to become a star, you have to understand that, yes,
you're a big deal in the sports world, but you
(29:31):
don't have that unlimited power yet. So if you want
to do these things like Dancing with the Stars or
increase your Q rating on Hard Knocks with North Carolina,
this is what you have to do to do that
other stuff. Right, Like like certain people who are celebrities,
if you're Will Ferrell, right, you have to keep doing
(29:54):
comedy movies in order to keep doing drama because no
one's going to just give you drama movies all the
time because you're a funny. But you could strike a
deal with a company, with a production company that says hey,
or with a studio that says, hey, I'll do these
two comedies, but I'm gonna do this big drama and
you're gonna okay. So he has to understand that if
I want to be taken seriously as an actor, I
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have to keep doing comedies so I get the chances
to do dramatic roles. She's got to understand that she's
got to play this up and this is what people
are interested. She's got to be able to be okay
with that if she wants to do other things in
the future. So just a different way to look at
it for her. With what she's done the last few months.
Speaker 3 (30:33):
Yeah, I mean the bigger thing with when you go
to Dancing with the Stars.
Speaker 1 (30:36):
And I'm not gonna claim that I could pick the
people from the Secret Lives of Mormon Wives out of
a lineup, Okay, but they have a television audience. They
have a consistent pull on However, many millions of people
watch that. However, many people subscribe to their TikTok, Instagram,
insert social media sphere here. For her, it all begins
(31:02):
and ends, at least to my thinking, with the association
of Bill Belichick. Has she done.
Speaker 3 (31:07):
Anything else that makes her stand alone?
Speaker 1 (31:09):
I mean, I'm not doing copious researches on her at
this moment, but that's my understanding. How are you famous
the old guys with me? So unless the old guy's
showing up in the studio in a sequence suit and
spinning around like he's outing freaking John, you got no clout.
Nobody cares dating Bill Belichick. Okay, how do I watch
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that every day? I don't. I can go watch the
movies of Corey Feldman or I can watch Boy Meets
World with Danielle Fischel. I can go watch Baron Davis
play basketball, or have the old owner of the Clippers
berating him on the sidelines back in the day. If
I can pull that old footage and go on and
on Robert Irwin, I can watch his latest Conservation episodes
(31:56):
and plenty of old footage of his old man hunting downiles,
all of that stuff. Hudson, She's got nothing. Yeah, you
don't have a cell on your own without him attached
at your hip. So it's a losing proposition. And the
fact that it went down that far. I want to
know how many appearances that Bill Belichick was supposed to make,
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because that had to be in the contract for it
to get past the first conversation, exit out about a
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For the guy who once waved off people coming into
the Updates studio, wanted to stay in, continue to work,
just like Blake Snell. It's Martin Wiz get out of
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Major League Baseball, The Yankees in the first AL wildcarst
but they beat the Twins ten to five. The Guardians
beat the Tigers ford and nothing. Tigers have lost five
of their last six. Guardians two and a half back
of the final AAR wildcard spot, which is occupied by
Boston in Seattle. After the Astros beat the Rangers five
to two, Red Sox beat the A's five to four
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in extra innings in an absolut leage. The Padres beat
the Mets seven to four. San Francisco over Arizona five
to one. In the Reds beat the Cardinals six to two.
That makes the Diamondbacks a game and a half back
for the final NR wildcard spot. Reds and Giants two
games back. Dodgers beat the Phillies five to nothing.
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And the WNBA.
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Playoffs, the Mercury beat the Liberty eighty six to sixty
of Lisa Thomas led Phoenix with twenty eight points. The
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Golden State seventy five to seventy four. Minnesota advances through
the first round two games to none. Golden State making
the playoffs in their first year of existence. Also making
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since the first time since twenty twenty after beating the
Pirates Washington d C. The City Council voted to approve
a three point eight billion with a B dollar plan
to build a new stadium for the Commanders in Southeast
DC on the current RFA Stadium sites. Stadium set to
open in twenty thirty. Commando's quarterback Jaden and Daniels miss
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Quinn said the earliest Daniels could practice is Friday forty nine.
Coach Kyle Shannan said Brock perty limited in practice Wednesday,
had a chance to play in Week three against Arizona
despite a toe injury and his shoulder injury. Jets quarterback
Justin Field rud out of Week three's matchup against the Bucks.
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He's got a concussion. We saw Khalil mack injer his
left elbow on Monthery Night Football. The Chargers putting him
on IR but expect mac to return at some point
this season. And Patriots cornerback Christia Gonzalez working back from
that preseason hamstring injury he suffered. He did practice on Wednesday.
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twenty four hours from now, we'll be breaking down a
huge Bills victory. Are the Bills and the Dolphins on
Thursday Night Football? Are the Bills the team to beat
in the AFC eight seven? I'm gonna say tooth it.
(36:32):
First thing? Is this really knowing there's been bigger point spreads. Okay, Yeah,
If the Dolphins beat the Bills tomorrow night, it would
be the biggest upset in the NFL of the twenty twenties. Right,
There's been other games that were fourteen seventeen points, Like
we talked about them earlier. But these were just bad
(36:52):
teams beating good teams. This is a Dolphins team that
has gone through Week one where they decide to not
show up for the game, and you know they're going
to break this team up and everybody's going to be
gone Week two in a game they should be unbeatable
in playing at home at one o'clock in September when
they've won like eighty percent of their games in NFL history,
(37:13):
and they lose to the Patriots, things are bad, man,
and they're so bad. If they win this game in
Buffalo on Thursday night, if they win this game, it's
the biggest NFL upset of the twenty twenties. Yeah, I'll
stipulate to potentially being prisoner of the moment, but given
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where we are in the pantheon of the the NFL
hallmarks and the season that we are through two weeks, yeah,
there's a lot of potential fallout to this that on
the Dolphin side is catastrophic. For the Bills, It's kind
of like the you know, when you drop a game
(37:53):
in a week. I was like, ah, you'll be fine. Yeah,
try even the Chiefs after two games, like, well, they
played two really good teams. Yeah, eh, they're the Chiefs.
They'll be fine. But this one becomes maybe a little
bit of an eyebrow raiser for McDermott more than anything else,
given their failures to run through in the playoffs. But
it's it's more the all right, can Mike McDaniel rally them?
(38:16):
Is that the conversation we then have to happen. You
win one for Mike and everything's happy and bad. But
because look at the comment you had from Tua earlier
this week, like it sounded like a guy that was
ready to throw everybody out of the locker room. And
that's your quarterback. Now. Here's the other part of Tomorrow
night is that we talk about this a lot. You
(38:38):
could lose forty four to ten Sunday at one o'clock
and it's a bad game and we move on. But
whatever happens on Monday and Thursday night is magnified times
three times five. If the Dolphins, who are in such
incredibly bad shape and have been embarrassed and not showing
up the first Cup like that's a big thing, is
not showing up, this tells you that n tuned Mike
(39:00):
McDaniel out. And what's really happening right now. They feel
like they've they've quit on the season. You know the
two is gonna be on a new team next year.
Tyreek Kill will be gone at the deadline. This is
how it's gonna go. If the Bills beat the Dolphins
big tomorrow night, I keep saying forty four to ten.
Wantch you be forty four ten the Bills beat the
Dolphins big tomorrow night. Mike McDaniel's not the coach of
(39:21):
the Dolphins for their next game. There's no real time
to say, well, we'll do it at the bye. Their
bye is week twelve. I know there's not been a
lot of talking, well, McDaniel's in immediate trouble. I think
everybody seems to know, okay, that he's kind of circling
the drain. But when things happen on a Thursday night
that are really bad, they have ramifications. And you talk
(39:41):
about a three week run for the Dolphins to start
the season of being zero to three, where you're flat
for week one, you're embarrassingly lose a game that should
have been a near a near rubber stamp win. In
week two, and you go in front of national television,
you get and you get crushed on Thursday night. Yeah,
tomorrow night's gonna wind up being the last day. Mike
(40:03):
McDaniel's coaches the Miami Dolphins. No, I see, I find
him too much fun. I'll write a letter on his
Oh no, no, I'll write a letter on his back. Oh
I got a letter. I was gonna fire you, but
I got a letter from Mike Harmon.
Speaker 3 (40:14):
He said it was better for business if you stay.
Speaker 1 (40:17):
Stuff wasn't really spelled right, and there was a lot
of bad capitalization and some syntax errors, but he wants
you to stay. And then he wrote in like cause
it's a whole paragraph saying why do you have to go?
And Greer gets to keep his job. So I decided
to fire both of you.
Speaker 5 (40:35):
Jason Harmon he spoke with.
Speaker 1 (40:37):
Some logic for some reason, and I liked his rationale
careers we're built out. Greer was like, wait a minute,
just because he wrote a letter, I wasn't on the
chopping block for that's what are you doing. It was
a two page letter with a lot of receipts. Two
page letter sinceeriously Mike Harmon Northwestern class of nineteen ninety six,
ninety five, But sure, no, ninety five there and then
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take my Santa Clara NBA and Fo't we'll add that now.
The relationship was that big year for them, right, and
I graduated right before it. Yeah, congratulations. I had the
team that where the guys were on the take. Oh
oh right, I had the ninety four. Oh okay, he's
gonna walk into the end zone here at Kennick the
(41:20):
balls off the carpet. So there are your stakes for
TNF tomorrow night. Coming up next, we get back into
something again. I've not seen this in baseball ever. I
wonder how things are gonna go following the game that's next.
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