August 5, 2023 • 41 mins
College Football as we know it is officially GONE. Pete Fiutak from College Football swings by with all the latest on the realignment frenzy. And Vegas Insider Todd Fuhrman drops in for all the latest odds.
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Speaker 3 (00:29):
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The way tire buying should be well.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
Harmon's taking his daughters to the Taylor Swift concert tonight.
Maybe he'll be calling in late. I don't think he's going, though, Steve,
I think.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
What this take.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
He's taking his daughters if I'm if I have this right,
He's taking his daughters to Taylor swift. He doesn't have
a ticket, so he's gonna stay outside with the.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
Other parents whose kids are in the concert.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
And I think they all make bracelets like friendship Bracelet's
like a dead show, Like they all make friendship braiss
and they trade them. And he's going to be hanging
out with the other parents who have their kids inside.
Speaker 4 (01:19):
So he's going to be making one for you. But
because of course you are best friends.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
Uh, he's already made one already. I'm wearing like seven
out right now.
Speaker 5 (01:27):
That might be TMI right there.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
Yeah, well, you know he's my best friend.
Speaker 4 (01:30):
As soon as you said he's taking his daughter's plural there,
I thought, my goodness, this guy's independently wealthy and I
had no idea. Why did you pay for pizza last night?
This guy should be paying every week. Thanks for that,
by the way, it was great.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
Oh, no problem. I think he's I think he must
have sold a baseball card.
Speaker 5 (01:47):
Ah, he probably I could see that.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
Or he sold his piece of Andre the Giants jockstrap
that he's had for a while, so you know, but
it's okay because he and I have the domain by
twenty dot com, so the Big twenty, which is what
it's gonna be. Soon is gonna come to us and
say we want this. And I already Heidelbert Hartman, I said, listen,
(02:09):
it was my idea. The Big twenties, my idea. You
you went and got it and paid for it. You
get ninety percent. I get ten percent. I'm the idea guy.
You did it, you did the bulk of the work.
You get ninety percent. I get ten percent. Whatever we
wound up selling it the Big twenty four, the Big
ten now gonna be the Big twenty, whatever it winds
up being, I'm cool with that.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
Sam generous.
Speaker 4 (02:26):
The Big Ten is up to eighteen schools, and it
could get up to twenty if they take the Oregon
rival and the Washington rival. Unfortunately, the Big Ten in
our lifetimes will never be taking Oregon State and Washington State.
So it's a good try, but I think you're gonna
fall just short.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
All right.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
So now here's what I want to do to start.
There's been so much with college football today. Here's what
you do, Steve. I want you to run down every
conference in college football and who is in what conference?
Speaker 4 (02:51):
Go?
Speaker 5 (02:52):
Uh have no idea?
Speaker 4 (02:54):
Is Syracuse still in the Big East?
Speaker 3 (02:57):
Yeah, Syracuse, Pittsburgh, and Penn State. We're all in the Big.
Speaker 5 (03:00):
So nothing's changed. I can fellow that it's okay good.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
Today is if every of every bit of the last
three days has been what is happening with college football? Well,
today was a day where everything came home to roost.
And we'll try to keep it straight for you because
there's a lot of things happening. Oregon and Washington are
now members of the Big Ten. The Big Ten is
excited as they are joining. Remember was just yesterday the
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Big Ten got the permission to go get Oregon Washington
and they are now newest members of the conference. They
will officially join the Big Ten in August of next year. Okay,
so they're gonna have eighteen teams. That's too less than
the Pac twelve. Meanwhile, the Big twelve has voted in
Utah and Arizona State coming along with Arizona, who we
(03:46):
knew was going a day ago.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
That brings that league to sixteen.
Speaker 4 (03:49):
Because they're already getting BYU and some other teams for
this coming year.
Speaker 3 (03:53):
Exactly.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
So now the Pac twelve is down to it's the
Pack four. Now it's the Pack four.
Speaker 5 (03:59):
It's pretty soon it'll be the TUPAC.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
It's or Ah, It's Oregon State, it is Washington State,
it's calum At Stanford.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
That is your pack.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
It is the Pack four right now, although I gotta
say I would keep it at the Pack four and
then it's easier to win the conference.
Speaker 4 (04:14):
Yeah, you know, it's kind of like the NHL in
the original six. My goodness, the maple Leafs are awesome,
and the league expands and make the Leafs not quite
so awesome.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
You play each team three times over the course of
the season in a twelve game season going on in
the work.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
That terrific. So this is where we're at now.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
The Big twelve now has sixteen teams after they bring
in Arizona, Utah, Arizona State. Remember they also brought in
Colorado last week, which started this whole thing. Now the
Big ten has gotten Oregon and Washington. They will join
on the heels of USC and UCLA. And now the
PAC twelve is We told you look for the last
unit's PAC twelve is dead.
Speaker 4 (04:50):
Okay, there's a quiz at the end of the show,
by the way where we're all going over here.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
Yeah, it's it's done. Look the PAC twelve is done.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
They won't ever go away because the PAC twelve is
more than just college football.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
It's everything. It's everything else but.
Speaker 4 (05:02):
The Olympic sports. It's heavy. It's great.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
Yeah, but you're gonna but the PAC twelve in a
year is gonna be those four teams unless Stanford, unless
you know, they boot Northwestern out of the Big ten.
Going you know, we have room for one really smart
school and figure they've got a better foot they got
a better football program than you do.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
So we're gonna go to Stanford.
Speaker 4 (05:18):
And then San Diego State gets added to kind of
balance it out academic.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
No, no, no, san Diego State's got to be in the
PAC twelve and Boise State will be in the PAC twelve,
and it's be all these teams in the Mountain West. Hey,
you guys want to take a step up. Mountain West
is gonna go no way, man, our conference is better
than yours.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
This is not APT.
Speaker 4 (05:34):
I would love to see San Diego State have to
pay the exit fee to get out of the Mountain
West join the PAC twelve, and then the Mountain West
just becomes the PAC twelve.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
Well, you know, maybe maybe they wind up merging and
it's the packed and it's like like when it's U.
Phil Jackson Court at Staples Center, you know it would
be the Mountain West brought to you by the Pac twelve.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
That's how that's how it's gonna work.
Speaker 4 (05:56):
Yeah, it's the Rose Bowl Game, presented by whoever it's
so they're never going to change the stadium name Rose Bull.
Oh no, they can give a presenting sponsor and get
around it that way exactly.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
It's like Jim Behind Court at the Carrier Dome, which
will is now the JW A Dome, so that it
would work that we get both names in there.
Speaker 4 (06:14):
I'm having a Nella Wooden Court at Polypavilion.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
But I have an idea, STEVEO.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
Okay, I have an idea, something a little bit different
than you haven't heard all day today, the last couple
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Every day college football changes. Right, you say this and
(06:41):
it doesn't. No, but it's apps every day. College football changes.
Every year to eighteen months, there is some kind of
complete overhaul where teams change conferences and money changes hands
and conference television deals get larger.
Speaker 4 (06:55):
You said it right, well, Jason Smith, you just said
it right. It's college football that's this is the driving
piece to all of this. You could hear the Big
Ten say, oh, we like the academic and the research unit.
It's college football that is driving all of this. Nobody
even cares about basketball.
Speaker 3 (07:12):
Yeah, I don't think the Big Ten were saying.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
You know, USC's got a great film school and a
lot of big directors come out of there, like George Lucas.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
We should have them being in the Big Ten.
Speaker 5 (07:20):
Nothing has nothing to do with anything.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
Yeah, we should. We should have that bit. That'd be
pretty cool. Yeah, look, college football drives the bus on everything. Right,
So let's look at this from a different perspective, because
you see, the big conferences are getting richer, and the
Big Ten, the SEC and the Big Twelve will be
are locked in as three of the big conferences. And
you know, the ACC is still up in the air
(07:43):
a bit because Florida State wants out and there's a
big update with them that we're gonna get to later on.
They want out, and if they lose Florida State, Miami
will probably go to so we'll Clemson.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
That could end the ACC.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
But let's let's take it from the perspective of all
the other schools that are left out now right, because
what you're seeing is the end of the PAC twelve
and schools are scrambling for a seat at the table,
and every school has the same reaction. I can't believe
these other schools did this to us. Meanwhile, if they
got an invitation, they would be the first ones this year.
Speaker 3 (08:13):
Hey, yeah, we're coming. We're gonna make all that money.
Speaker 4 (08:15):
It's type of invitation. Sure, because USC and UCLA are
going to the Big ten on full shares, starting a
new TV contract with the fifty sixty million dollars a year.
Oregon and Washington today are leaving to go to the
Big ten on roughly half shares, just to leave the
PAC twelve and join some stability.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
Yeah, I think you could leave for like an eighth
of a share and it's better than the PAC twelve.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
I think you really could.
Speaker 4 (08:40):
But I think there's an extra Christmas Club membership thrown
in or some sort of thing that.
Speaker 3 (08:45):
You can get go to. Hey, you get to get
a free year at Costco. That's what we'll give you
right there.
Speaker 4 (08:49):
I think it's a year of Netflix, or maybe it's
a year of Apple, and it's a leftover from the
new PAC twelve TV deal.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
You get a year of Netflix, but you share that password.
And if we're provoking it right away, we're cracking.
Speaker 4 (09:01):
Down between Oregon and Washington.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
We need to make sure that we're making Okay, we
gotta grow, and we got to grow overseas, and you
keep sharing passwords.
Speaker 3 (09:09):
That's not gonna help us.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
So but here's my idea. And this is one of
those who says no ideas. College football has become the
haves and the have nots.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
Right, you're talking about one hundred and twenty ish.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
Schools in college football, and now they're going to be
concentrated mainly in three and a half conferences. Maybe it
gets the three when it's all said and done. We've
already just seen the disappearance of the PAC twelve. So
I throw this out to you. The schools that aren't
part of the cool kids, right, the ones that can't
(09:44):
just call and say Hey, we'd like to get in.
We bring a lot to your conference. Yes you're coming.
Clemson could call the SEC right now, They could call
the Big twelve and say, hey, you want to send Oh, yes,
you're bringing a lot to our conference. Will allow you in.
Miami could do it. Florida State liked Notre Dame, could
do it. But sure, So these are your halves. Everybody
else are the have nots. So I propose this, and
(10:07):
again who says no, you have your college football because
we're talking about being able to compete on a level
that nobody else can compete at. Right, You're talking about
at least half to a little bit more, maybe sixty
percent of the schools that are left in college football
can't compete to the level of the other forty percent. Right,
the ones is going to make up the sixty ish
spots in these conferences. So I propose this.
Speaker 3 (10:30):
You have a.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
For lack of a better phrase, you have a Tier
one season in playoff where the teams in the big
conferences play each other, and you have rankings, and you
have the Tier one playoffs and national championship, right, and
then you have Tier two in FBS formerly Division one,
and that's all the schools that are the have nots,
(10:56):
the Syracuses, the Pittsburgh's, the Rutgers, the the Oregon States,
the Washington States, the Cols, the Stanfords, and they all
play in the same type of scheduling situation, and they
play for a national champion and they have their own playoff.
So you have the top level, which is great, and
everybody's gonna pay attention. But you know what college football
(11:17):
is populous is across the country. If Syracuse, like I
would look at this as a huge positive. Going Man,
I get a chance to win a national championship. I
don't care if it's the Champions League version of the
national championship. I don't care if it's Tier two. I
don't have a shot to win. Now, are you kidding?
We can't compete with all these other schools. So all
these other and you say smaller schools, but the schools
just don't have the money. If they competed in their
(11:38):
own Tier two playoffs, and you can break it up,
why can't you? You can have FBS, you FBS two,
whatever you want, and they could have a season and
you play other schools and that's your national championship there
and yes, it's a little bit of a lesser level.
But we've already seen this with the FCS National Championship
with where North Dakota State is there every year and
usually they win or they make it to the champion
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sometimes it's Colgate or whatever. But now you're Tom but
just a quick level up, and that would be a
large popular choice for everybody else's who loves college football
because all these other schools that aren't getting a chance
to get in the Oregon States, the Washington States that
fill their stadiums every weekend, that.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
Are rapping about college football.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
They have Syracuse two that fill they and they have
a great program. They just don't have the wherewithal. They
don't have the money, they don't have the income. Hey
they're still popular and you could still play for something.
And if you did that, all those schools would say, okay.
First they would say, do I have any chance to
get in the upper tier?
Speaker 2 (12:38):
No?
Speaker 1 (12:38):
Okay, If I have no chance to get in the
upper tier, then I will go to Tier two and
we will have those playoffs. We will gladly play in
that type of situation.
Speaker 4 (12:44):
Okay, So you're saying that Tier one is starting next year,
the Big Ten with eighteen schools, the Big twelve Conference
sixteen schools, SEC with sixteen schools, and just those.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
Three big and you you would have the ACC as
long as clem in Miami, Florida State are still there
because they're they're still the royalty.
Speaker 4 (13:03):
Of four power conferences.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
You would have four power conferences.
Speaker 4 (13:07):
And then and everybody else Mountain West, what's left of
the PAC twelve Conference USA, all of that they are
playing each other in a regular schedule. It would be
they will in the blank in the Mountain West.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
It doesn't matter. You don't need to do geography anymore, right,
you're seeing this. We don't need a doo scheduling, scheduling.
Speaker 4 (13:26):
Would you still have Georgia against uh, you know, San
Diego State in some non conference game?
Speaker 1 (13:32):
All of that sticks, I know you would have to
you you'd have to schedule with with all You only
be able to schedule the teams that you can schedule
in your.
Speaker 3 (13:40):
So Michigan san Diego, No, Michigan.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
Would have to warm up against Northwestern or somebody else
one of the lower We're gonna play Maryland first and
then get in. Or you want to play outside of
conference and you want to warm up in your first
game is against Pittsburgh or.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
Someone like that.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
Okay, but seeing where we're at now with the A
c C, I don't know that the ACC serves more
than another year because if schools want out already, where's
the ACC? How are they going to get stronger? Who
are they gonna get?
Speaker 3 (14:06):
Right? Are they gonna get Notre Dame to join? No?
Who are they going to get big powerful schools to
come and say.
Speaker 5 (14:11):
Yeah, you're talking about of course played AC exactly.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
Yes, order No, Notre Dame is in the ACC for basketball,
So are they going to join the How is the
ACC going to get bigger?
Speaker 3 (14:21):
Like?
Speaker 1 (14:21):
So, I the ACC is the next one that's on
borrow time, So eventually you're going to add most of
the ACC teams to this second level there and it
would be those schools that I mentioned that are gonna
wind up getting a chance to go play and then
you can rearrange and you can play in whatever division
you want to conferences however it goes. But that looks
like the future because if you're having the haves and
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the have nots, let's do something for the have nots
and let them play for some kind of playoff.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
You still have bowl games and everything else, because those
are schools, still schools you'll.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
Wind up watching, and everybody wins in college football, and
everybody can go and keep chasing the dollars, and the
other schools can have a chance to win and have
winning seasons, and and maybe if they start winning and
have great tradition, they'll get an invite to a big
school at some point and hey, come up to the
big to the big time. Now we see what you're doing.
You know that could happen as well. I'm open to
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being able to have teams move in between. But you
have that, and that takes and that helps all the
other schools now that are even more going to be
in obscurity with the combinations of these.
Speaker 3 (15:20):
Big, big conference.
Speaker 5 (15:21):
I think we're on the way to that.
Speaker 3 (15:23):
There we go.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
I got a patent that idea right now, patent pending.
Speaker 4 (15:26):
That might have a better shot of cashing in than
the Big twenty or whatever. Your website're gonna make it
the twenty.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
Two more schools they're going to rebrand as the Big twenty.
They're gonna have to. You can't be the Big ten
with it. You can be the Big ten with eleven schools, right,
and you can make them one very creative.
Speaker 5 (15:40):
Big twelve twelve for a while.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
No, we're the Big ten with twelve teams. Okay, that
doesn't work because there's the Big twelve. No, you got
a rebrand with whatever your whatever your If you're the
Big if you're the Big A, you've got eighteen schools,
you're the Big eighteen. If you're the Big, get two
more schools. Bring it, you know, suck it up. Bring Stanford,
raise the GPA of the conference, and then you just
need one more school to get to twenty and you're
all good. Bring Stanford, en col bring them both in.
Speaker 3 (16:03):
Why not?
Speaker 1 (16:03):
Why not bring bring it? And you you could have
two different divisions. You can have one division that's the
Big ten. You have one division that's the Back ten
and they all play cross conference and everything else.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
You can do that one like this.
Speaker 4 (16:13):
Is animal Farm. We changed and everything's the same.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
I mean, it's co And the best part about this
idea is that this is college football. Every idea is
a good one because they just do it. Whatever idea
comes up, they just do it. Thing doesn't matter. It's like, no,
that's a great idea.
Speaker 3 (16:26):
Why we just did.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
We don't need to go through stuff and vote on Nah.
We just put this up and do it because the
money is there. Just think about that. Think about that.
The Tier two playoff College.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
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Speaker 3 (16:43):
So today college football.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
If you're keeping score, Colorado Arizona, Arizona State, Utah in
the Big twelve. Oregon, Washington have joined the Big Ten.
There are four schools left in the Pac twelve. Now
the Pac four could be less than that. Maybe in
the next few months there could be some other schools
who knows joining us now to help us break it
all down.
Speaker 3 (17:06):
No one better.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
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Speaker 3 (17:27):
How are you?
Speaker 6 (17:28):
Apparently Taylor Swift is happening tonight.
Speaker 7 (17:31):
That's a big deal.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
Right, Yeah, yeah, I think it was it was, uh,
it was Lollapalooza and now it's Taylor Palooza.
Speaker 6 (17:38):
Did Shaq was DJing at Lollapaluza tonight, So that was
kind of a thing. But yeah, there's a lot of
a lot of things happen in this world outside of
this crazy world of the PECS twelve. It's now the
Pack four, who I think is going to play the
Tito's had made vodka stage of Lapaluza tomorrow. Sounds like
a band name.
Speaker 7 (17:56):
But yeah, it got crazy real fast here, isn't it?
Speaker 3 (18:00):
All? Right? Pete?
Speaker 1 (18:01):
So when we go forward here, first, let's deal with
the PAC twelve. Obviously it's not going to be around
anymore as we know it. It will still be a conference.
Do they bring schools in from the Mountain West? Are
they going to see more schools leave? What's going to
happen with the PAC twelve.
Speaker 6 (18:18):
Well, here's the crazy part about this is what kind
of TV and media deal can they get? The other
part of this thing, too is I'm going to flip
a coin here on Stanford and cal going to the
Big ten because that's the fourth largest media market in
the country. Forgetting that people in the Bay Area don't
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really care about Stanford or Cal football to a certain extent.
But if the school president's how you make this all
a little more palatable and like, oh gosh, look at
college athletics, it's so horrible. But if the Big Ten says,
wait a minute, here, we're going to get the number
one academic institution among all the FBS schools. And if
you want to go by the US News and World
Report rankings, Cal's like twentieth overall. I think, like seventh
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among the FBS schools. All of a sudden, if you
get those two a board, and along with UFC and UCLA,
and with Michigan and in northwestern end with Wisconsin, it's
gonna be something crazy like out of all the members' schools,
like seventeen of the eighteen, not counting Nebraska, who's out
of this mix, seventeen of the Big ten schools would
be in the top fifty of all the programs to
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play FBS football. I mean, it would just be the
highest end academic side. It would add even more to
the whole Pacific Division of the Pac twelve. So my
guess is, after a year of trying to take a
deep breath, I think they're probably next and the Big
Ten is just gonna wait a little bit on that.
But if not, the only other solution would be to
go steal buch A Mountain West schools. And the crazy
(19:44):
part about this is I keep bringing up this example
because it's so insane. Jalen Hurts is gonna make more
money this year than all the Mountain West schools combined
in media deals. So like, if they're only make it
four million a year, if you're the twelve and you're like, hey, look,
San Diego State, we'll give you six million to come here, Okay,
(20:05):
take it to run.
Speaker 7 (20:07):
It's you can get these guys for like a subway.
Speaker 6 (20:09):
Sandwich in the side of chip. So it's just not
hard to get these Mountain winstils. So I think there
is still going to be a PAC twelve. I don't
think they're going to go to the Mountain West. It's
just not going to be the same Pepe State.
Speaker 4 (20:24):
The Big Ten will be up to eighteen schools. They're
going to have to come out with a new schedule
fairly quickly, right, and do they.
Speaker 5 (20:30):
Go to the divisions now?
Speaker 7 (20:33):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (20:33):
Eighteen Yeah, So that's good news for USCUCLA trip to Nebraska,
trip to the West schools, maybe no trip to Rutgers.
Speaker 6 (20:42):
Well, here's the crazy part about all this. Remember two
tho twenty twenty when you had the all conference seasons
when all the SEC schools played each other, all the
Big ten schools played each other, and what did you get?
You had four Big Ten schools finished with winning records,
just four out of the than twelve and four team's sorry,
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and the SEC only had five schools with winning records.
All these teams coming to these conferences, what's going to
happen next? The TV networks are going to be like,
we don't want to see USC playing you know West
Scream Puff Tech. We want to see USC play more
Big ten games. We want to see more consperance games,
which means the middle of the pack they're going to
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have to struggle to ever have winning seasons ever again.
So this is going to get kind of ugly, kind
of faster them. But this was seriously as crazy as
it got, because I mean today I was doing a
hit on the Big Ten network as it was getting
a text across saying, looks like the PAC twelve is
staying together. They're going to keep their granted rights. You know, like, oh, okay, great,
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and then eight hours later they're announcing the Oregon and
Washington are part of the Big Ten.
Speaker 7 (21:53):
It was like the craziest flip.
Speaker 6 (21:55):
It's like saying in the morning, Hey, I'm going to
reconcile with my wife and everything's going to be okay,
and then by the afternoon, your wife's marrying someone else.
It was the strangest thing you can't potibly come up
with in college athletics.
Speaker 4 (22:08):
By the way, you mentioned West Creampuff Tech. They're not
available for the Big Ten because they're already on the
Alabama schedule.
Speaker 5 (22:15):
Twice.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
That's not that tune too, that's not right. Hey, but
that's the next question here, Pete. So now, okay, so
there's the future of the Pac twelve. There's some schools there.
Speaker 3 (22:25):
The SEC has been really quiet this entire time.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
They've not said anything. Why have we not heard a
thing from the SEC.
Speaker 6 (22:35):
God, I have said this, and I've talked to SEC
people about and they've never gotten anything. Back home, I
don't know how they didn't get Arizona and Arizona State.
I don't get why they didn't go after Oregon and Washington.
Think about what the Big Ten is now. I mean,
the Big ten.
Speaker 7 (22:50):
Is coast to coast up and down.
Speaker 6 (22:52):
And you know, okay, fine, so the kids are gonna
have to be on an airplane for nextra forty five minutes. Boohoo,
oh gosh, Well how hard is that going to be?
But now they've got this reach that goes they dominate
pretty much the entire part of the country outside of
the southeast part of the flyover states, and they've got
the markets. Why didn't the SEC jump in on that?
Speaker 7 (23:13):
So what's next?
Speaker 6 (23:14):
They're going to assume that that somehow that the ACC
schools like Clemson and Florida State are going to somehow
get out of having to pay the one hundred and
thirty five million dollars it would cost them to break
their grant of rights deal and somehow get out of
this on some sort of technicality and then be a
part of the thing. The problem with that is, Okay, great,
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you've just brought in two big time programs, but you
did nothing to up your national footprint. You just kind
of you know, you already have South Carolina, you already
have University of Florida. They needed to expand because now
it's everyone talked about the Big Two, and then there's
Big Twelve right after No, it's the Big Ten.
Speaker 7 (23:54):
The Big Ten is far in a way the.
Speaker 6 (23:57):
Big and baddest conference business wise, the SEC is better
into football and all that, but where it really matter
at the bottom line, the Big Ten is just going
to dominate.
Speaker 7 (24:05):
The SEC is going.
Speaker 6 (24:06):
To be a distant second no matter what now, and
then you probably have you know, the Big twelve and
the ACC and whatever is left out of everybody else.
Speaker 4 (24:14):
So when you talk about a television deal, the Big
Ten already has one in place for the rest of
the decade. Isn't that a huge statement that Oregon and
Washington would go into the Big ten and not be
a full TV partner that is, not get the full
shares that that USC and UCLA are getting joining right
that the exist Big Ten.
Speaker 6 (24:35):
Here's how this got funky is kind of like I
just was talking about with the Mountain West deal, well
what other option you got? So I mean, either they
could stay with the PAC twelve and you know, look,
you're really going to keep hitting refresh, you know, fifty
times a day, hoping you're good Apple subscribers that are
gonna like get you're going to be able to pay
for your volleyball team.
Speaker 7 (24:54):
No, you know, so there's either that or maybe you
go to the Big twelve and maybe.
Speaker 6 (25:00):
Thirty ish million a year or something like this. That's okay.
Or you go to the Big ten, which is obviously
the biggest, baddest conference going, and then you'll probably find
sout you don't get the full seventy million share. You
might get forty million. That's more so, you're still making.
Speaker 7 (25:15):
Out fine and you're doing okay for yourself.
Speaker 6 (25:18):
And then eventually you'll get up the speed and get
that extra money. But also it's the affiliation again, you know,
it's the markets. You have all the big media markets
in the country. You have the big giant TV contract,
you have the great academic institutions, which again only got
that much stronger with USC and UCLA, and of course
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you kind of want to be a part of all that.
If you're in Oregon, in Washington, especially if you're tucked
away in the northwest part of the country, this all
of a sudden makes you makes.
Speaker 7 (25:47):
Everything about you bigger. When you're looking at you know,
I know this.
Speaker 6 (25:51):
I'm going through the process with the kids trying to
look at colleges. It's a thing to be a part of, Like, hey,
look I'm gonna be a part of this big ten
thing because that's going to be the biggest thing going.
And we're going to Washington being big ten school. That
just means that much more proceeds. They're on the bar
they made the varsity is what they did now.
Speaker 3 (26:08):
With this moan.
Speaker 4 (26:09):
So that's the most damning thing against the PAC twelve
that somebody would leave for a half share in another
conference compared to what you're offering to stay.
Speaker 6 (26:18):
Well, obviously it was really awful, and that's that's the
thing about this whole mess.
Speaker 7 (26:23):
Utah didn't want to leave.
Speaker 6 (26:25):
They fled out, said we don't we want We liked
being in the PAC twelve.
Speaker 7 (26:28):
We where we wanted to be.
Speaker 6 (26:30):
The Arizona State said we don't want to leave, we
want to stay here. Arizona was really lukewarm and then
gave every shot to George Klebakhov to make something happen.
And apparently whatever this was beyond just the Apple deal
was so not even close to the pin that they're like, nope,
we're gone, and just didn't even you know, give it
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a shot to stick it out. I don't know, why
that the PAC twelve didn't do something like, hey, look,
we're going to guarantee you someone forty million dollars each
for this year by us some time, by us a year.
We're going to get this thing done. Because eventually, because
everyone's under everyone in this whole process really kind of
undercut the PAC twelve. They lowball them left and right,
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and eventually, especially with this writer's actors strike, these streaming companies,
everyone are going to destinately need content at least for
twenty twenty four the year after. So it was about
to flip here, but too late. All these athletic departments
are like, you know what, we're gonna take the We're
gonna take the sure thing bet here, and all of
a sudden, give credit to the Big twelve. It took
(27:38):
the PAC twelve whipping for this to happen. I never
ever thought I thought they were all blustered. I thought
they were never going to get packed twelve schools, and
all of a sudden, you get Arizona, Arizona State. I mean,
that's the Phoenix market that's built in too massive university
of school of insert state schools, and you get Colorado, and.
Speaker 7 (27:57):
You get Utah That's that's a pretty good heck of
a day.
Speaker 3 (28:01):
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Speaker 1 (28:05):
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the Big Twelve, the Big Ten. Pete as always, Buddy,
appreciate it. Big week for you with this and Pete Palooza.
Thanks so much for stopping by with us.
Speaker 6 (28:21):
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from there.
Speaker 1 (28:26):
You got it, And really, how far can we be
from poison playing at Lollapalooza.
Speaker 3 (28:32):
Probably not very much.
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Speaker 1 (28:44):
Well, I don't care how many games I get to see.
I don't care how big the tension is. And right now,
the top of the eighth inning, the Dodgers threatening with
two on and two out against the Padres. Padres lead
at three to two. I am never gonna love the
Padres City Connect uniform. I'm just I'm just never going to.
Speaker 5 (29:01):
I totally agree.
Speaker 4 (29:02):
Never will E going to just had a conversation about
this literally a couple days ago with the Padres fan
These pink sleeved Padre uniforms. It's supposed to invoke some
sort of Mexican herriage. There's so much of that in
San Diego. Great, but not quite the colors in the
Mexican flag. So it makes me think more tropical Miami.
(29:25):
It doesn't make me think San Diego and ocean at all.
Speaker 1 (29:28):
Yeah, okay, so now okay, so if the if the
pink is that, that's fine. What about the yellow and
the aqua and the green and what about those colors?
Speaker 3 (29:38):
All of it?
Speaker 4 (29:39):
All of it speaks South Florida to me.
Speaker 1 (29:40):
Yes, it's like if this was if this was Miami,
I would say, oh, Sidney, connect I get it right,
that's that's that's what.
Speaker 3 (29:45):
It looks like. But I'm like, it's one of the
worst to add their I don't care, and I don't know.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
I don't understand how how they think that having two
different sleeves of two different colors is something that works.
Speaker 3 (29:57):
I just don't get it.
Speaker 4 (29:58):
Pink numbers, a pink leave some pink socks you could
throw in there, look.
Speaker 5 (30:04):
Guys, but it's just it's just like in the division.
Speaker 4 (30:07):
You've got the Rockies. They they get away from their
traditional colors and go with the green. But it's a
beautiful picture of the Rockies. You know, it's Colorado. It's
a perfect city connect uniform. I is.
Speaker 3 (30:19):
It's just too many.
Speaker 4 (30:20):
It doesn't connect to your city.
Speaker 3 (30:22):
No, you know what it looks like.
Speaker 1 (30:23):
It looks like when you get when you go to
the grocery store and you're you're you know, you got
having a party and kids are there and they go like, oh,
I can get all these different flavored Sherberts. Oh great,
let me get this. Let me get to Sherberts in here.
Now everything looks everything looks different, like, ah, that's what
it is.
Speaker 4 (30:37):
By the way, Kawhi Leonard from San Diego State is
at the game in San Diego tonight wearing the City
Connect Jersey.
Speaker 5 (30:43):
Just for the record, you know what does connect?
Speaker 3 (30:45):
David?
Speaker 4 (30:48):
It's three three at San Diego.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
Tap of the eighth, Yeah, Mookie Bets gets held up
at third on the throw in, so Dodgers and Padres
tied three three apiece second and third h two outs
in the eighth inning. I'll keep you updated on this
game throughout the night. Big A Padres of Claude back
into the race here but today.
Speaker 4 (31:05):
And the wildcard race very much into it. San Diego
is only three and a half back for a wild
card and the Giants, who are idle tonight only two
and a half back in the division.
Speaker 1 (31:15):
It's that kind of night now. It just shows you
that if your team is just kind of meandering at
the trade deadline and you add a little bit to it, hey,
look at what can happen, right, you'd be a team
like the Mets Ago. No, we're just selling everybody, which
was absolutely, absolutely the right choice. But you got to
think that there was a little bit with the Mets
where okay, if we trade some guys, we got a
(31:35):
series coming up against the Royals, we can sweep that
and feel good we're near five hundred. Nope, swept by
the Royals, or get swept by the Orioles, and.
Speaker 4 (31:42):
At that time, it's really it's really over. Speaking of over,
the PAC twelve has issued a two sentence statement tonight,
after all that's gone on today in this evening.
Speaker 3 (31:50):
Blank you and blank you, thank you the PAC twelve.
Speaker 4 (31:54):
It says in part, today's news is incredibly disappointing, focused
on securing the best possible future for each of our
members university for.
Speaker 5 (32:04):
Who exactly eight of their twelve are gone.
Speaker 3 (32:08):
It's their own fault. Can you imagine? Just think about
what the PAC twelve was from.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
I would say, what was the beginning You could talk
about the beginning of the year with the USC dynasty,
Carson Palmer's senior year. That was when US twenty times
really really you know, jump back onto the on of
the national scene, right so two thousand and three, two
thousand fourish, I would say it was Carson Palmer and
then you had the Liner Bush era and the PAC
ten was everything and USC UCLA was a big deal.
Speaker 4 (32:36):
In Washington early nineties National champion.
Speaker 3 (32:39):
Yes, they won Don James, they won Steve Eman, they
won the national.
Speaker 4 (32:42):
Miami Hurricanes winning streak.
Speaker 1 (32:44):
Then you're looking at you're looking at a conference that
in that time Jim harbought Stanford and you know, they
won big games. To Oregon was really good. They were
a national power. And look at where they are now.
Every buddy's gone, you know, and this.
Speaker 4 (33:02):
Is even Arizona State, whose school president has been dragged
across the floor to try and make any movement out
of the conference. Here in fact, his announcement, his statement tonight,
we will always have fond memories of the PAC twelve conference,
blah blah blah. But now it's the right time for change.
It doesn't say where they're going. It doesn't say we
(33:23):
enjoy our new home. The school president of Arizona stage
just is looking back in his leaving statement.
Speaker 5 (33:30):
That's it.
Speaker 1 (33:32):
This is a case of complete and total mismanagement. You
want to know why this happened for the pact? Should
never have happened for the PAC twelve. Correct, the PAC
twelve didn't. There's two kinds of leaders when you're talking
about leading something large, whether it's a country or a
corporation or I.
Speaker 4 (33:48):
Know this answer, I know this. Two kinds of leaders.
There's a good one and there's Larry Scott.
Speaker 1 (33:53):
Yeah, it's that old line from back to school. There
are two kinds of people in business, the quick and
the dead. But it's almost like that there are two
kinds of.
Speaker 5 (34:02):
Leaders when it comes to the quick have laughed. PAC
twelve is just about dead?
Speaker 1 (34:07):
Is you have leaders that lead large corporations, organizations, commissioners
and there's the leaders that have vision, that are quick,
that want to grow what they're doing forward in any
way possible.
Speaker 3 (34:20):
Right, it's how do we make sure that.
Speaker 1 (34:23):
What we have right now not only keeps going, but
let's look and maybe do some things a little bit
outside the box. But we need to evolve because we
need to get better. And that's what the SEC did.
And the SEC, hey look at that, they're the preeminent
conference in college football now. But that's how any big
business survives when you are not just satisfied with what's
(34:43):
going on. But the PAC twelve was consistently run by
Larry Scott that was just hey, we don't want to
screw this up.
Speaker 3 (34:50):
Well, why should we do anything here? You had a
ten year run, as.
Speaker 1 (34:54):
If you weren't the biggest conference in college football the
second biggest. You could have parlayed that run into a
lot of different things. And what did we get? Did
you did you get a huge television contract? Did you
push things out? Did you invite me? None of this
happened because the leadership said, hey, I don't want to
screw up a good thing, right, And that's the other
type of leader there is that comes in that says Hey,
(35:14):
I just like being the commissioner. I like being in
charge of things. I don't really want to have new initiatives.
Everybody seems to be getting fat and happy, so let's
keep getting fat and happy, and let's not really rock
the boat. And that's what happened to the PAC twelve.
They had let's not rock the boat leadership, and what happened.
You get passed, You get passed by. And it's really
(35:35):
something that I am stunned to see happen and to
play it forward because we kind of saw those of
the PAC twelve. If the SEC doesn't get on the stick,
I mean they're already getting passed by the Big Ten.
You're talking about a Big ten conference now that's going
to have eighteen teams. It's going to get to twenty
at some point. That has a national appeal because you
have your teams in the Midwest part of the country
(35:57):
stretching all the way to the West coast. That's national appeal.
Or people will watch Michigan and USC, then will watch
Alabama and Auburn, or Alabama and LSU. Okay, well, we
have regional games in the South. You need to expand,
and the SEC is kind of just sitting there and
they need to get on this here because I get today.
Speaker 3 (36:17):
You know, we're the SEC. We work at our own pace.
Speaker 1 (36:19):
Yeah, but you could see the Big Ten's become the
biggest program in college football now because of that national appeal.
And that's something that the SEC and all of college
football has always fought to How do we maintain that
national appeal? Right, we need those couple of teams that
are great every year across the country. And USC being
good on the West Coast always helped because that helped
the national appeal of college football. But now it's built
(36:40):
in to the Big Ten. They have college football from
the middle of the country all the way to the
West coast. They own that real estate, that entire area
from the middle of the country all the way to
the West coast. That is all Big Ten football country now.
Speaker 4 (36:54):
All it includes the Eastern time zone actually as well, right.
Speaker 1 (36:57):
And the thing is the Northeast is not a big
college football region, so that that kind of just stays
where it is. And then you have the Southeast. Okay, yes,
SEC has a Southeast, but they split a little bit
with the ACC. There's a little bit of Big twelve
down there. Nothing nothing like what the Big ten has
done now making their middle of the country coast to
coast appeal. So, like I said, there's two kinds of leaders.
(37:19):
And you see what happened to the PAC twelve, and
that's why they're putting out a statement like they put
out tonight, and it could happen to the SEC as
well if they don't jump up and say, Okay, maybe
it's time for us to look into Florida State and
Miami and Clemson. The time has come because if we
strike and get them, we knocked the ACC basically out
of business. And so we have these three great teams
in our conference, and now maybe we're getting back to
(37:42):
that because we added such three big heritage teams, we're
back to getting on equal footing with the Big ten.
Speaker 4 (37:48):
The PAC twelve doesn't have twelve anymore. With all these
commitments and movements in a year. It's down to four
at the moment. So it doesn't cease to exist yet.
But what the PAC twelve was, what we knew it as.
There needs to be an obituar obituary written for and
it absolutely must include in the first paragraph the name
Larry Scott, who was the former Commissioner of the PAC twelve.
Speaker 1 (38:11):
Guys whos If you just read the obituary, I got
two lot that too, say that wasn't Yeah, I'm sorry.
Speaker 4 (38:17):
Larry Scott made over fifty million dollars from the PAC
twelve conference and ran it into the ground. He was
paid four million dollars just for his last six months
on the job a couple of years ago. This is
a guy who, while the Big ten created, with some
Fox help, by the way, a Big ten network, and
(38:38):
that's what really started the big payments to each of
its member schools, the PAC twelve said, okay, let's do
the same thing. Unfortunately, with Larry Scott as a commissioner,
instead of partnering with somebody who's already in the TV business,
they tried to do it all themselves from scratch, renting
studios in the highest priced real estate of San Francisco
(39:02):
and creating their own studios, meaning buying everything from scratch,
trying to get their own distribution themselves. It didn't work,
to the point that people who were living in PAC
twelve cities could not get the PAC twelve network. This
was a complete and total failure, and it's all on
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the doorstep of the former commissioner Larry Scott.
Speaker 5 (39:26):
He was awful for this league.
Speaker 3 (39:29):
So don't sugarcoat it. Do you not like the job
Larry Scott did? How you will?
Speaker 4 (39:34):
I think eight schools out of twelve have already spoken,
if even Arizona State, which did not want to leave,
If even they are leaving, that's all you need to know.
We mentioned it earlier in the show. Oregon and Washington
are leaving for a conference. It's only going to pay
him a half TV share, and that's still more than
(39:55):
they're going to get if they had stayed in the
PAC twelve.
Speaker 5 (39:58):
Michael Scott was a better bless.
Speaker 3 (40:00):
Yes, that's what she said.
Speaker 1 (40:02):
If you could sum up the PAC twelve, it was
the very first PACK twelve championship game. I think it
was Oregon and I forget who else it was. It
was at Levi Stadium and there was like one hundred people.
Speaker 4 (40:15):
That always campuses originally and then to neutral site.
Speaker 1 (40:18):
Right, and then it was a neutral site and the
first one they had it was Oregon and someone and
it was like one hundred people were there and I'm going,
oh my goodness, this is the PAC twelve championship game.
There is nobody here. It looks like a spring game
of a really small school. Right that's and this is
the conference championship game. I mean that's Larry Scott leadership,
you know, all wrapped up into one right there.
Speaker 5 (40:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (40:40):
So once we got to a PAC twelve conference, remember
Utah and Colorado were added, and look how good Utah
turned out to be. And even they aren't even staying here.
I mean, Utah has been the last two years your
champion of your league and they are leaving in a
year as well.
Speaker 1 (40:59):
Unbelieving, I'll tell you that is you want to know
why the PAC twelve is dead?
Speaker 3 (41:03):
Hell, there you go. That's all you need right there?
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Harmon's taking his daughters to the Taylor Swift concert tonight.
Maybe he'll be calling in late. I don't think he's going, though, Steve,
I think.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
What this take.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
He's taking his daughters if I'm if I have this right,
He's taking his daughters to Taylor swift. He doesn't have
a ticket, so he's gonna stay outside with the.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
Other parents whose kids are in the concert.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
And I think they all make bracelets like friendship Bracelet's
like a dead show, Like they all make friendship braiss
and they trade them. And he's going to be hanging
out with the other parents who have their kids inside.
Speaker 4 (01:19):
So he's going to be making one for you. But
because of course you are best friends.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
Uh, he's already made one already. I'm wearing like seven
out right now.
Speaker 5 (01:27):
That might be TMI right there.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
Yeah, well, you know he's my best friend.
Speaker 4 (01:30):
As soon as you said he's taking his daughter's plural there,
I thought, my goodness, this guy's independently wealthy and I
had no idea. Why did you pay for pizza last night?
This guy should be paying every week. Thanks for that,
by the way, it was great.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
Oh, no problem. I think he's I think he must
have sold a baseball card.
Speaker 5 (01:47):
Ah, he probably I could see that.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
Or he sold his piece of Andre the Giants jockstrap
that he's had for a while, so you know, but
it's okay because he and I have the domain by
twenty dot com, so the Big twenty, which is what
it's gonna be. Soon is gonna come to us and
say we want this. And I already Heidelbert Hartman, I said, listen,
(02:09):
it was my idea. The Big twenties, my idea. You
you went and got it and paid for it. You
get ninety percent. I get ten percent. I'm the idea guy.
You did it, you did the bulk of the work.
You get ninety percent. I get ten percent. Whatever we
wound up selling it the Big twenty four, the Big
ten now gonna be the Big twenty, whatever it winds
up being, I'm cool with that.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
Sam generous.
Speaker 4 (02:26):
The Big Ten is up to eighteen schools, and it
could get up to twenty if they take the Oregon
rival and the Washington rival. Unfortunately, the Big Ten in
our lifetimes will never be taking Oregon State and Washington State.
So it's a good try, but I think you're gonna
fall just short.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
All right.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
So now here's what I want to do to start.
There's been so much with college football today. Here's what
you do, Steve. I want you to run down every
conference in college football and who is in what conference?
Speaker 4 (02:51):
Go?
Speaker 5 (02:52):
Uh have no idea?
Speaker 4 (02:54):
Is Syracuse still in the Big East?
Speaker 3 (02:57):
Yeah, Syracuse, Pittsburgh, and Penn State. We're all in the Big.
Speaker 5 (03:00):
So nothing's changed. I can fellow that it's okay good.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
Today is if every of every bit of the last
three days has been what is happening with college football? Well,
today was a day where everything came home to roost.
And we'll try to keep it straight for you because
there's a lot of things happening. Oregon and Washington are
now members of the Big Ten. The Big Ten is
excited as they are joining. Remember was just yesterday the
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Big Ten got the permission to go get Oregon Washington
and they are now newest members of the conference. They
will officially join the Big Ten in August of next year. Okay,
so they're gonna have eighteen teams. That's too less than
the Pac twelve. Meanwhile, the Big twelve has voted in
Utah and Arizona State coming along with Arizona, who we
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knew was going a day ago.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
That brings that league to sixteen.
Speaker 4 (03:49):
Because they're already getting BYU and some other teams for
this coming year.
Speaker 3 (03:53):
Exactly.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
So now the Pac twelve is down to it's the
Pack four. Now it's the Pack four.
Speaker 5 (03:59):
It's pretty soon it'll be the TUPAC.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
It's or Ah, It's Oregon State, it is Washington State,
it's calum At Stanford.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
That is your pack.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
It is the Pack four right now, although I gotta
say I would keep it at the Pack four and
then it's easier to win the conference.
Speaker 4 (04:14):
Yeah, you know, it's kind of like the NHL in
the original six. My goodness, the maple Leafs are awesome,
and the league expands and make the Leafs not quite
so awesome.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
You play each team three times over the course of
the season in a twelve game season going on in
the work.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
That terrific. So this is where we're at now.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
The Big twelve now has sixteen teams after they bring
in Arizona, Utah, Arizona State. Remember they also brought in
Colorado last week, which started this whole thing. Now the
Big ten has gotten Oregon and Washington. They will join
on the heels of USC and UCLA. And now the
PAC twelve is We told you look for the last
unit's PAC twelve is dead.
Speaker 4 (04:50):
Okay, there's a quiz at the end of the show,
by the way where we're all going over here.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
Yeah, it's it's done. Look the PAC twelve is done.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
They won't ever go away because the PAC twelve is
more than just college football.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
It's everything. It's everything else but.
Speaker 4 (05:02):
The Olympic sports. It's heavy. It's great.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
Yeah, but you're gonna but the PAC twelve in a
year is gonna be those four teams unless Stanford, unless
you know, they boot Northwestern out of the Big ten.
Going you know, we have room for one really smart
school and figure they've got a better foot they got
a better football program than you do.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
So we're gonna go to Stanford.
Speaker 4 (05:18):
And then San Diego State gets added to kind of
balance it out academic.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
No, no, no, san Diego State's got to be in the
PAC twelve and Boise State will be in the PAC twelve,
and it's be all these teams in the Mountain West. Hey,
you guys want to take a step up. Mountain West
is gonna go no way, man, our conference is better
than yours.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
This is not APT.
Speaker 4 (05:34):
I would love to see San Diego State have to
pay the exit fee to get out of the Mountain
West join the PAC twelve, and then the Mountain West
just becomes the PAC twelve.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
Well, you know, maybe maybe they wind up merging and
it's the packed and it's like like when it's U.
Phil Jackson Court at Staples Center, you know it would
be the Mountain West brought to you by the Pac twelve.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
That's how that's how it's gonna work.
Speaker 4 (05:56):
Yeah, it's the Rose Bowl Game, presented by whoever it's
so they're never going to change the stadium name Rose Bull.
Oh no, they can give a presenting sponsor and get
around it that way exactly.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
It's like Jim Behind Court at the Carrier Dome, which
will is now the JW A Dome, so that it
would work that we get both names in there.
Speaker 4 (06:14):
I'm having a Nella Wooden Court at Polypavilion.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
But I have an idea, STEVEO.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
Okay, I have an idea, something a little bit different
than you haven't heard all day today, the last couple
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Every day college football changes. Right, you say this and
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it doesn't. No, but it's apps every day. College football changes.
Every year to eighteen months, there is some kind of
complete overhaul where teams change conferences and money changes hands
and conference television deals get larger.
Speaker 4 (06:55):
You said it right, well, Jason Smith, you just said
it right. It's college football that's this is the driving
piece to all of this. You could hear the Big
Ten say, oh, we like the academic and the research unit.
It's college football that is driving all of this. Nobody
even cares about basketball.
Speaker 3 (07:12):
Yeah, I don't think the Big Ten were saying.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
You know, USC's got a great film school and a
lot of big directors come out of there, like George Lucas.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
We should have them being in the Big Ten.
Speaker 5 (07:20):
Nothing has nothing to do with anything.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
Yeah, we should. We should have that bit. That'd be
pretty cool. Yeah, look, college football drives the bus on everything. Right,
So let's look at this from a different perspective, because
you see, the big conferences are getting richer, and the
Big Ten, the SEC and the Big Twelve will be
are locked in as three of the big conferences. And
you know, the ACC is still up in the air
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a bit because Florida State wants out and there's a
big update with them that we're gonna get to later on.
They want out, and if they lose Florida State, Miami
will probably go to so we'll Clemson.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
That could end the ACC.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
But let's let's take it from the perspective of all
the other schools that are left out now right, because
what you're seeing is the end of the PAC twelve
and schools are scrambling for a seat at the table,
and every school has the same reaction. I can't believe
these other schools did this to us. Meanwhile, if they
got an invitation, they would be the first ones this year.
Speaker 3 (08:13):
Hey, yeah, we're coming. We're gonna make all that money.
Speaker 4 (08:15):
It's type of invitation. Sure, because USC and UCLA are
going to the Big ten on full shares, starting a
new TV contract with the fifty sixty million dollars a year.
Oregon and Washington today are leaving to go to the
Big ten on roughly half shares, just to leave the
PAC twelve and join some stability.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
Yeah, I think you could leave for like an eighth
of a share and it's better than the PAC twelve.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
I think you really could.
Speaker 4 (08:40):
But I think there's an extra Christmas Club membership thrown
in or some sort of thing that.
Speaker 3 (08:45):
You can get go to. Hey, you get to get
a free year at Costco. That's what we'll give you
right there.
Speaker 4 (08:49):
I think it's a year of Netflix, or maybe it's
a year of Apple, and it's a leftover from the
new PAC twelve TV deal.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
You get a year of Netflix, but you share that password.
And if we're provoking it right away, we're cracking.
Speaker 4 (09:01):
Down between Oregon and Washington.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
We need to make sure that we're making Okay, we
gotta grow, and we got to grow overseas, and you
keep sharing passwords.
Speaker 3 (09:09):
That's not gonna help us.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
So but here's my idea. And this is one of
those who says no ideas. College football has become the
haves and the have nots.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
Right, you're talking about one hundred and twenty ish.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
Schools in college football, and now they're going to be
concentrated mainly in three and a half conferences. Maybe it
gets the three when it's all said and done. We've
already just seen the disappearance of the PAC twelve. So
I throw this out to you. The schools that aren't
part of the cool kids, right, the ones that can't
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just call and say Hey, we'd like to get in.
We bring a lot to your conference. Yes you're coming.
Clemson could call the SEC right now, They could call
the Big twelve and say, hey, you want to send Oh, yes,
you're bringing a lot to our conference. Will allow you in.
Miami could do it. Florida State liked Notre Dame, could
do it. But sure, So these are your halves. Everybody
else are the have nots. So I propose this, and
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again who says no, you have your college football because
we're talking about being able to compete on a level
that nobody else can compete at. Right, You're talking about
at least half to a little bit more, maybe sixty
percent of the schools that are left in college football
can't compete to the level of the other forty percent. Right,
the ones is going to make up the sixty ish
spots in these conferences. So I propose this.
Speaker 3 (10:30):
You have a.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
For lack of a better phrase, you have a Tier
one season in playoff where the teams in the big
conferences play each other, and you have rankings, and you
have the Tier one playoffs and national championship, right, and
then you have Tier two in FBS formerly Division one,
and that's all the schools that are the have nots,
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the Syracuses, the Pittsburgh's, the Rutgers, the the Oregon States,
the Washington States, the Cols, the Stanfords, and they all
play in the same type of scheduling situation, and they
play for a national champion and they have their own playoff.
So you have the top level, which is great, and
everybody's gonna pay attention. But you know what college football
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is populous is across the country. If Syracuse, like I
would look at this as a huge positive. Going Man,
I get a chance to win a national championship. I
don't care if it's the Champions League version of the
national championship. I don't care if it's Tier two. I
don't have a shot to win. Now, are you kidding?
We can't compete with all these other schools. So all
these other and you say smaller schools, but the schools
just don't have the money. If they competed in their
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own Tier two playoffs, and you can break it up,
why can't you? You can have FBS, you FBS two,
whatever you want, and they could have a season and
you play other schools and that's your national championship there
and yes, it's a little bit of a lesser level.
But we've already seen this with the FCS National Championship
with where North Dakota State is there every year and
usually they win or they make it to the champion
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sometimes it's Colgate or whatever. But now you're Tom but
just a quick level up, and that would be a
large popular choice for everybody else's who loves college football
because all these other schools that aren't getting a chance
to get in the Oregon States, the Washington States that
fill their stadiums every weekend, that.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
Are rapping about college football.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
They have Syracuse two that fill they and they have
a great program. They just don't have the wherewithal. They
don't have the money, they don't have the income. Hey
they're still popular and you could still play for something.
And if you did that, all those schools would say, okay.
First they would say, do I have any chance to
get in the upper tier?
Speaker 2 (12:38):
No?
Speaker 1 (12:38):
Okay, If I have no chance to get in the
upper tier, then I will go to Tier two and
we will have those playoffs. We will gladly play in
that type of situation.
Speaker 4 (12:44):
Okay, So you're saying that Tier one is starting next year,
the Big Ten with eighteen schools, the Big twelve Conference
sixteen schools, SEC with sixteen schools, and just those.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
Three big and you you would have the ACC as
long as clem in Miami, Florida State are still there
because they're they're still the royalty.
Speaker 4 (13:03):
Of four power conferences.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
You would have four power conferences.
Speaker 4 (13:07):
And then and everybody else Mountain West, what's left of
the PAC twelve Conference USA, all of that they are
playing each other in a regular schedule. It would be
they will in the blank in the Mountain West.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
It doesn't matter. You don't need to do geography anymore, right,
you're seeing this. We don't need a doo scheduling, scheduling.
Speaker 4 (13:26):
Would you still have Georgia against uh, you know, San
Diego State in some non conference game?
Speaker 1 (13:32):
All of that sticks, I know you would have to
you you'd have to schedule with with all You only
be able to schedule the teams that you can schedule
in your.
Speaker 3 (13:40):
So Michigan san Diego, No, Michigan.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
Would have to warm up against Northwestern or somebody else
one of the lower We're gonna play Maryland first and
then get in. Or you want to play outside of
conference and you want to warm up in your first
game is against Pittsburgh or.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
Someone like that.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
Okay, but seeing where we're at now with the A
c C, I don't know that the ACC serves more
than another year because if schools want out already, where's
the ACC? How are they going to get stronger? Who
are they gonna get?
Speaker 3 (14:06):
Right? Are they gonna get Notre Dame to join? No?
Who are they going to get big powerful schools to
come and say.
Speaker 5 (14:11):
Yeah, you're talking about of course played AC exactly.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
Yes, order No, Notre Dame is in the ACC for basketball,
So are they going to join the How is the
ACC going to get bigger?
Speaker 3 (14:21):
Like?
Speaker 1 (14:21):
So, I the ACC is the next one that's on
borrow time, So eventually you're going to add most of
the ACC teams to this second level there and it
would be those schools that I mentioned that are gonna
wind up getting a chance to go play and then
you can rearrange and you can play in whatever division
you want to conferences however it goes. But that looks
like the future because if you're having the haves and
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the have nots, let's do something for the have nots
and let them play for some kind of playoff.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
You still have bowl games and everything else, because those
are schools, still schools you'll.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
Wind up watching, and everybody wins in college football, and
everybody can go and keep chasing the dollars, and the
other schools can have a chance to win and have
winning seasons, and and maybe if they start winning and
have great tradition, they'll get an invite to a big
school at some point and hey, come up to the
big to the big time. Now we see what you're doing.
You know that could happen as well. I'm open to
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being able to have teams move in between. But you
have that, and that takes and that helps all the
other schools now that are even more going to be
in obscurity with the combinations of these.
Speaker 3 (15:20):
Big, big conference.
Speaker 5 (15:21):
I think we're on the way to that.
Speaker 3 (15:23):
There we go.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
I got a patent that idea right now, patent pending.
Speaker 4 (15:26):
That might have a better shot of cashing in than
the Big twenty or whatever. Your website're gonna make it
the twenty.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
Two more schools they're going to rebrand as the Big twenty.
They're gonna have to. You can't be the Big ten
with it. You can be the Big ten with eleven schools, right,
and you can make them one very creative.
Speaker 5 (15:40):
Big twelve twelve for a while.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
No, we're the Big ten with twelve teams. Okay, that
doesn't work because there's the Big twelve. No, you got
a rebrand with whatever your whatever your If you're the
Big if you're the Big A, you've got eighteen schools,
you're the Big eighteen. If you're the Big, get two
more schools. Bring it, you know, suck it up. Bring Stanford,
raise the GPA of the conference, and then you just
need one more school to get to twenty and you're
all good. Bring Stanford, en col bring them both in.
Speaker 3 (16:03):
Why not?
Speaker 1 (16:03):
Why not bring bring it? And you you could have
two different divisions. You can have one division that's the
Big ten. You have one division that's the Back ten
and they all play cross conference and everything else.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
You can do that one like this.
Speaker 4 (16:13):
Is animal Farm. We changed and everything's the same.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
I mean, it's co And the best part about this
idea is that this is college football. Every idea is
a good one because they just do it. Whatever idea
comes up, they just do it. Thing doesn't matter. It's like, no,
that's a great idea.
Speaker 3 (16:26):
Why we just did.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
We don't need to go through stuff and vote on Nah.
We just put this up and do it because the
money is there. Just think about that. Think about that.
The Tier two playoff College.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
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Speaker 3 (16:43):
So today college football.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
If you're keeping score, Colorado Arizona, Arizona State, Utah in
the Big twelve. Oregon, Washington have joined the Big Ten.
There are four schools left in the Pac twelve. Now
the Pac four could be less than that. Maybe in
the next few months there could be some other schools
who knows joining us now to help us break it
all down.
Speaker 3 (17:06):
No one better.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
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What's happening, buddy?
Speaker 3 (17:27):
How are you?
Speaker 6 (17:28):
Apparently Taylor Swift is happening tonight.
Speaker 7 (17:31):
That's a big deal.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
Right, Yeah, yeah, I think it was it was, uh,
it was Lollapalooza and now it's Taylor Palooza.
Speaker 6 (17:38):
Did Shaq was DJing at Lollapaluza tonight, So that was
kind of a thing. But yeah, there's a lot of
a lot of things happen in this world outside of
this crazy world of the PECS twelve. It's now the
Pack four, who I think is going to play the
Tito's had made vodka stage of Lapaluza tomorrow. Sounds like
a band name.
Speaker 7 (17:56):
But yeah, it got crazy real fast here, isn't it?
Speaker 3 (18:00):
All? Right? Pete?
Speaker 1 (18:01):
So when we go forward here, first, let's deal with
the PAC twelve. Obviously it's not going to be around
anymore as we know it. It will still be a conference.
Do they bring schools in from the Mountain West? Are
they going to see more schools leave? What's going to
happen with the PAC twelve.
Speaker 6 (18:18):
Well, here's the crazy part about this is what kind
of TV and media deal can they get? The other
part of this thing, too is I'm going to flip
a coin here on Stanford and cal going to the
Big ten because that's the fourth largest media market in
the country. Forgetting that people in the Bay Area don't
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really care about Stanford or Cal football to a certain extent.
But if the school president's how you make this all
a little more palatable and like, oh gosh, look at
college athletics, it's so horrible. But if the Big Ten says,
wait a minute, here, we're going to get the number
one academic institution among all the FBS schools. And if
you want to go by the US News and World
Report rankings, Cal's like twentieth overall. I think, like seventh
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among the FBS schools. All of a sudden, if you
get those two a board, and along with UFC and UCLA,
and with Michigan and in northwestern end with Wisconsin, it's
gonna be something crazy like out of all the members' schools,
like seventeen of the eighteen, not counting Nebraska, who's out
of this mix, seventeen of the Big ten schools would
be in the top fifty of all the programs to
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play FBS football. I mean, it would just be the
highest end academic side. It would add even more to
the whole Pacific Division of the Pac twelve. So my
guess is, after a year of trying to take a
deep breath, I think they're probably next and the Big
Ten is just gonna wait a little bit on that.
But if not, the only other solution would be to
go steal buch A Mountain West schools. And the crazy
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part about this is I keep bringing up this example
because it's so insane. Jalen Hurts is gonna make more
money this year than all the Mountain West schools combined
in media deals. So like, if they're only make it
four million a year, if you're the twelve and you're like, hey, look,
San Diego State, we'll give you six million to come here, Okay,
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take it to run.
Speaker 7 (20:07):
It's you can get these guys for like a subway.
Speaker 6 (20:09):
Sandwich in the side of chip. So it's just not
hard to get these Mountain winstils. So I think there
is still going to be a PAC twelve. I don't
think they're going to go to the Mountain West. It's
just not going to be the same Pepe State.
Speaker 4 (20:24):
The Big Ten will be up to eighteen schools. They're
going to have to come out with a new schedule
fairly quickly, right, and do they.
Speaker 5 (20:30):
Go to the divisions now?
Speaker 7 (20:33):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (20:33):
Eighteen Yeah, So that's good news for USCUCLA trip to Nebraska,
trip to the West schools, maybe no trip to Rutgers.
Speaker 6 (20:42):
Well, here's the crazy part about all this. Remember two
tho twenty twenty when you had the all conference seasons
when all the SEC schools played each other, all the
Big ten schools played each other, and what did you get?
You had four Big Ten schools finished with winning records,
just four out of the than twelve and four team's sorry,
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and the SEC only had five schools with winning records.
All these teams coming to these conferences, what's going to
happen next? The TV networks are going to be like,
we don't want to see USC playing you know West
Scream Puff Tech. We want to see USC play more
Big ten games. We want to see more consperance games,
which means the middle of the pack they're going to
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have to struggle to ever have winning seasons ever again.
So this is going to get kind of ugly, kind
of faster them. But this was seriously as crazy as
it got, because I mean today I was doing a
hit on the Big Ten network as it was getting
a text across saying, looks like the PAC twelve is
staying together. They're going to keep their granted rights. You know, like, oh, okay, great,
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and then eight hours later they're announcing the Oregon and
Washington are part of the Big Ten.
Speaker 7 (21:53):
It was like the craziest flip.
Speaker 6 (21:55):
It's like saying in the morning, Hey, I'm going to
reconcile with my wife and everything's going to be okay,
and then by the afternoon, your wife's marrying someone else.
It was the strangest thing you can't potibly come up
with in college athletics.
Speaker 4 (22:08):
By the way, you mentioned West Creampuff Tech. They're not
available for the Big Ten because they're already on the
Alabama schedule.
Speaker 5 (22:15):
Twice.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
That's not that tune too, that's not right. Hey, but
that's the next question here, Pete. So now, okay, so
there's the future of the Pac twelve. There's some schools there.
Speaker 3 (22:25):
The SEC has been really quiet this entire time.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
They've not said anything. Why have we not heard a
thing from the SEC.
Speaker 6 (22:35):
God, I have said this, and I've talked to SEC
people about and they've never gotten anything. Back home, I
don't know how they didn't get Arizona and Arizona State.
I don't get why they didn't go after Oregon and Washington.
Think about what the Big Ten is now. I mean,
the Big ten.
Speaker 7 (22:50):
Is coast to coast up and down.
Speaker 6 (22:52):
And you know, okay, fine, so the kids are gonna
have to be on an airplane for nextra forty five minutes. Boohoo,
oh gosh, Well how hard is that going to be?
But now they've got this reach that goes they dominate
pretty much the entire part of the country outside of
the southeast part of the flyover states, and they've got
the markets. Why didn't the SEC jump in on that?
Speaker 7 (23:13):
So what's next?
Speaker 6 (23:14):
They're going to assume that that somehow that the ACC
schools like Clemson and Florida State are going to somehow
get out of having to pay the one hundred and
thirty five million dollars it would cost them to break
their grant of rights deal and somehow get out of
this on some sort of technicality and then be a
part of the thing. The problem with that is, Okay, great,
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you've just brought in two big time programs, but you
did nothing to up your national footprint. You just kind
of you know, you already have South Carolina, you already
have University of Florida. They needed to expand because now
it's everyone talked about the Big Two, and then there's
Big Twelve right after No, it's the Big Ten.
Speaker 7 (23:54):
The Big Ten is far in a way the.
Speaker 6 (23:57):
Big and baddest conference business wise, the SEC is better
into football and all that, but where it really matter
at the bottom line, the Big Ten is just going
to dominate.
Speaker 7 (24:05):
The SEC is going.
Speaker 6 (24:06):
To be a distant second no matter what now, and
then you probably have you know, the Big twelve and
the ACC and whatever is left out of everybody else.
Speaker 4 (24:14):
So when you talk about a television deal, the Big
Ten already has one in place for the rest of
the decade. Isn't that a huge statement that Oregon and
Washington would go into the Big ten and not be
a full TV partner that is, not get the full
shares that that USC and UCLA are getting joining right
that the exist Big Ten.
Speaker 6 (24:35):
Here's how this got funky is kind of like I
just was talking about with the Mountain West deal, well
what other option you got? So I mean, either they
could stay with the PAC twelve and you know, look,
you're really going to keep hitting refresh, you know, fifty
times a day, hoping you're good Apple subscribers that are
gonna like get you're going to be able to pay
for your volleyball team.
Speaker 7 (24:54):
No, you know, so there's either that or maybe you
go to the Big twelve and maybe.
Speaker 6 (25:00):
Thirty ish million a year or something like this. That's okay.
Or you go to the Big ten, which is obviously
the biggest, baddest conference going, and then you'll probably find
sout you don't get the full seventy million share. You
might get forty million. That's more so, you're still making.
Speaker 7 (25:15):
Out fine and you're doing okay for yourself.
Speaker 6 (25:18):
And then eventually you'll get up the speed and get
that extra money. But also it's the affiliation again, you know,
it's the markets. You have all the big media markets
in the country. You have the big giant TV contract,
you have the great academic institutions, which again only got
that much stronger with USC and UCLA, and of course
(25:39):
you kind of want to be a part of all that.
If you're in Oregon, in Washington, especially if you're tucked
away in the northwest part of the country, this all
of a sudden makes you makes.
Speaker 7 (25:47):
Everything about you bigger. When you're looking at you know,
I know this.
Speaker 6 (25:51):
I'm going through the process with the kids trying to
look at colleges. It's a thing to be a part of, Like, hey,
look I'm gonna be a part of this big ten
thing because that's going to be the biggest thing going.
And we're going to Washington being big ten school. That
just means that much more proceeds. They're on the bar
they made the varsity is what they did now.
Speaker 3 (26:08):
With this moan.
Speaker 4 (26:09):
So that's the most damning thing against the PAC twelve
that somebody would leave for a half share in another
conference compared to what you're offering to stay.
Speaker 6 (26:18):
Well, obviously it was really awful, and that's that's the
thing about this whole mess.
Speaker 7 (26:23):
Utah didn't want to leave.
Speaker 6 (26:25):
They fled out, said we don't we want We liked
being in the PAC twelve.
Speaker 7 (26:28):
We where we wanted to be.
Speaker 6 (26:30):
The Arizona State said we don't want to leave, we
want to stay here. Arizona was really lukewarm and then
gave every shot to George Klebakhov to make something happen.
And apparently whatever this was beyond just the Apple deal
was so not even close to the pin that they're like, nope,
we're gone, and just didn't even you know, give it
(26:52):
a shot to stick it out. I don't know, why
that the PAC twelve didn't do something like, hey, look,
we're going to guarantee you someone forty million dollars each
for this year by us some time, by us a year.
We're going to get this thing done. Because eventually, because
everyone's under everyone in this whole process really kind of
undercut the PAC twelve. They lowball them left and right,
(27:16):
and eventually, especially with this writer's actors strike, these streaming companies,
everyone are going to destinately need content at least for
twenty twenty four the year after. So it was about
to flip here, but too late. All these athletic departments
are like, you know what, we're gonna take the We're
gonna take the sure thing bet here, and all of
a sudden, give credit to the Big twelve. It took
(27:38):
the PAC twelve whipping for this to happen. I never
ever thought I thought they were all blustered. I thought
they were never going to get packed twelve schools, and
all of a sudden, you get Arizona, Arizona State. I mean,
that's the Phoenix market that's built in too massive university
of school of insert state schools, and you get Colorado, and.
Speaker 7 (27:57):
You get Utah That's that's a pretty good heck of
a day.
Speaker 3 (28:01):
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Speaker 1 (28:26):
You got it, And really, how far can we be
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Speaker 3 (28:32):
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Speaker 1 (28:44):
Well, I don't care how many games I get to see.
I don't care how big the tension is. And right now,
the top of the eighth inning, the Dodgers threatening with
two on and two out against the Padres. Padres lead
at three to two. I am never gonna love the
Padres City Connect uniform. I'm just I'm just never going to.
Speaker 5 (29:01):
I totally agree.
Speaker 4 (29:02):
Never will E going to just had a conversation about
this literally a couple days ago with the Padres fan
These pink sleeved Padre uniforms. It's supposed to invoke some
sort of Mexican herriage. There's so much of that in
San Diego. Great, but not quite the colors in the
Mexican flag. So it makes me think more tropical Miami.
(29:25):
It doesn't make me think San Diego and ocean at all.
Speaker 1 (29:28):
Yeah, okay, so now okay, so if the if the
pink is that, that's fine. What about the yellow and
the aqua and the green and what about those colors?
Speaker 3 (29:38):
All of it?
Speaker 4 (29:39):
All of it speaks South Florida to me.
Speaker 1 (29:40):
Yes, it's like if this was if this was Miami,
I would say, oh, Sidney, connect I get it right,
that's that's that's what.
Speaker 3 (29:45):
It looks like. But I'm like, it's one of the
worst to add their I don't care, and I don't know.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
I don't understand how how they think that having two
different sleeves of two different colors is something that works.
Speaker 3 (29:57):
I just don't get it.
Speaker 4 (29:58):
Pink numbers, a pink leave some pink socks you could
throw in there, look.
Speaker 5 (30:04):
Guys, but it's just it's just like in the division.
Speaker 4 (30:07):
You've got the Rockies. They they get away from their
traditional colors and go with the green. But it's a
beautiful picture of the Rockies. You know, it's Colorado. It's
a perfect city connect uniform. I is.
Speaker 3 (30:19):
It's just too many.
Speaker 4 (30:20):
It doesn't connect to your city.
Speaker 3 (30:22):
No, you know what it looks like.
Speaker 1 (30:23):
It looks like when you get when you go to
the grocery store and you're you're you know, you got
having a party and kids are there and they go like, oh,
I can get all these different flavored Sherberts. Oh great,
let me get this. Let me get to Sherberts in here.
Now everything looks everything looks different, like, ah, that's what
it is.
Speaker 4 (30:37):
By the way, Kawhi Leonard from San Diego State is
at the game in San Diego tonight wearing the City
Connect Jersey.
Speaker 5 (30:43):
Just for the record, you know what does connect?
Speaker 3 (30:45):
David?
Speaker 4 (30:48):
It's three three at San Diego.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
Tap of the eighth, Yeah, Mookie Bets gets held up
at third on the throw in, so Dodgers and Padres
tied three three apiece second and third h two outs
in the eighth inning. I'll keep you updated on this
game throughout the night. Big A Padres of Claude back
into the race here but today.
Speaker 4 (31:05):
And the wildcard race very much into it. San Diego
is only three and a half back for a wild
card and the Giants, who are idle tonight only two
and a half back in the division.
Speaker 1 (31:15):
It's that kind of night now. It just shows you
that if your team is just kind of meandering at
the trade deadline and you add a little bit to it, hey,
look at what can happen, right, you'd be a team
like the Mets Ago. No, we're just selling everybody, which
was absolutely, absolutely the right choice. But you got to
think that there was a little bit with the Mets
where okay, if we trade some guys, we got a
(31:35):
series coming up against the Royals, we can sweep that
and feel good we're near five hundred. Nope, swept by
the Royals, or get swept by the Orioles, and.
Speaker 4 (31:42):
At that time, it's really it's really over. Speaking of over,
the PAC twelve has issued a two sentence statement tonight,
after all that's gone on today in this evening.
Speaker 3 (31:50):
Blank you and blank you, thank you the PAC twelve.
Speaker 4 (31:54):
It says in part, today's news is incredibly disappointing, focused
on securing the best possible future for each of our
members university for.
Speaker 5 (32:04):
Who exactly eight of their twelve are gone.
Speaker 3 (32:08):
It's their own fault. Can you imagine? Just think about
what the PAC twelve was from.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
I would say, what was the beginning You could talk
about the beginning of the year with the USC dynasty,
Carson Palmer's senior year. That was when US twenty times
really really you know, jump back onto the on of
the national scene, right so two thousand and three, two
thousand fourish, I would say it was Carson Palmer and
then you had the Liner Bush era and the PAC
ten was everything and USC UCLA was a big deal.
Speaker 4 (32:36):
In Washington early nineties National champion.
Speaker 3 (32:39):
Yes, they won Don James, they won Steve Eman, they
won the national.
Speaker 4 (32:42):
Miami Hurricanes winning streak.
Speaker 1 (32:44):
Then you're looking at you're looking at a conference that
in that time Jim harbought Stanford and you know, they
won big games. To Oregon was really good. They were
a national power. And look at where they are now.
Every buddy's gone, you know, and this.
Speaker 4 (33:02):
Is even Arizona State, whose school president has been dragged
across the floor to try and make any movement out
of the conference. Here in fact, his announcement, his statement tonight,
we will always have fond memories of the PAC twelve conference,
blah blah blah. But now it's the right time for change.
It doesn't say where they're going. It doesn't say we
(33:23):
enjoy our new home. The school president of Arizona stage
just is looking back in his leaving statement.
Speaker 5 (33:30):
That's it.
Speaker 1 (33:32):
This is a case of complete and total mismanagement. You
want to know why this happened for the pact? Should
never have happened for the PAC twelve. Correct, the PAC
twelve didn't. There's two kinds of leaders when you're talking
about leading something large, whether it's a country or a
corporation or I.
Speaker 4 (33:48):
Know this answer, I know this. Two kinds of leaders.
There's a good one and there's Larry Scott.
Speaker 1 (33:53):
Yeah, it's that old line from back to school. There
are two kinds of people in business, the quick and
the dead. But it's almost like that there are two
kinds of.
Speaker 5 (34:02):
Leaders when it comes to the quick have laughed. PAC
twelve is just about dead?
Speaker 1 (34:07):
Is you have leaders that lead large corporations, organizations, commissioners
and there's the leaders that have vision, that are quick,
that want to grow what they're doing forward in any
way possible.
Speaker 3 (34:20):
Right, it's how do we make sure that.
Speaker 1 (34:23):
What we have right now not only keeps going, but
let's look and maybe do some things a little bit
outside the box. But we need to evolve because we
need to get better. And that's what the SEC did.
And the SEC, hey look at that, they're the preeminent
conference in college football now. But that's how any big
business survives when you are not just satisfied with what's
(34:43):
going on. But the PAC twelve was consistently run by
Larry Scott that was just hey, we don't want to
screw this up.
Speaker 3 (34:50):
Well, why should we do anything here? You had a
ten year run, as.
Speaker 1 (34:54):
If you weren't the biggest conference in college football the
second biggest. You could have parlayed that run into a
lot of different things. And what did we get? Did
you did you get a huge television contract? Did you
push things out? Did you invite me? None of this
happened because the leadership said, hey, I don't want to
screw up a good thing, right, And that's the other
type of leader there is that comes in that says Hey,
(35:14):
I just like being the commissioner. I like being in
charge of things. I don't really want to have new initiatives.
Everybody seems to be getting fat and happy, so let's
keep getting fat and happy, and let's not really rock
the boat. And that's what happened to the PAC twelve.
They had let's not rock the boat leadership, and what happened.
You get passed, You get passed by. And it's really
(35:35):
something that I am stunned to see happen and to
play it forward because we kind of saw those of
the PAC twelve. If the SEC doesn't get on the stick,
I mean they're already getting passed by the Big Ten.
You're talking about a Big ten conference now that's going
to have eighteen teams. It's going to get to twenty
at some point. That has a national appeal because you
have your teams in the Midwest part of the country
(35:57):
stretching all the way to the West coast. That's national appeal.
Or people will watch Michigan and USC, then will watch
Alabama and Auburn, or Alabama and LSU. Okay, well, we
have regional games in the South. You need to expand,
and the SEC is kind of just sitting there and
they need to get on this here because I get today.
Speaker 3 (36:17):
You know, we're the SEC. We work at our own pace.
Speaker 1 (36:19):
Yeah, but you could see the Big Ten's become the
biggest program in college football now because of that national appeal.
And that's something that the SEC and all of college
football has always fought to How do we maintain that
national appeal? Right, we need those couple of teams that
are great every year across the country. And USC being
good on the West Coast always helped because that helped
the national appeal of college football. But now it's built
(36:40):
in to the Big Ten. They have college football from
the middle of the country all the way to the
West coast. They own that real estate, that entire area
from the middle of the country all the way to
the West coast. That is all Big Ten football country now.
Speaker 4 (36:54):
All it includes the Eastern time zone actually as well, right.
Speaker 1 (36:57):
And the thing is the Northeast is not a big
college football region, so that that kind of just stays
where it is. And then you have the Southeast. Okay, yes,
SEC has a Southeast, but they split a little bit
with the ACC. There's a little bit of Big twelve
down there. Nothing nothing like what the Big ten has
done now making their middle of the country coast to
coast appeal. So, like I said, there's two kinds of leaders.
(37:19):
And you see what happened to the PAC twelve, and
that's why they're putting out a statement like they put
out tonight, and it could happen to the SEC as
well if they don't jump up and say, Okay, maybe
it's time for us to look into Florida State and
Miami and Clemson. The time has come because if we
strike and get them, we knocked the ACC basically out
of business. And so we have these three great teams
in our conference, and now maybe we're getting back to
(37:42):
that because we added such three big heritage teams, we're
back to getting on equal footing with the Big ten.
Speaker 4 (37:48):
The PAC twelve doesn't have twelve anymore. With all these
commitments and movements in a year. It's down to four
at the moment. So it doesn't cease to exist yet.
But what the PAC twelve was, what we knew it as.
There needs to be an obituar obituary written for and
it absolutely must include in the first paragraph the name
Larry Scott, who was the former Commissioner of the PAC twelve.
Speaker 1 (38:11):
Guys whos If you just read the obituary, I got
two lot that too, say that wasn't Yeah, I'm sorry.
Speaker 4 (38:17):
Larry Scott made over fifty million dollars from the PAC
twelve conference and ran it into the ground. He was
paid four million dollars just for his last six months
on the job a couple of years ago. This is
a guy who, while the Big ten created, with some
Fox help, by the way, a Big ten network, and
(38:38):
that's what really started the big payments to each of
its member schools, the PAC twelve said, okay, let's do
the same thing. Unfortunately, with Larry Scott as a commissioner,
instead of partnering with somebody who's already in the TV business,
they tried to do it all themselves from scratch, renting
studios in the highest priced real estate of San Francisco
(39:02):
and creating their own studios, meaning buying everything from scratch,
trying to get their own distribution themselves. It didn't work,
to the point that people who were living in PAC
twelve cities could not get the PAC twelve network. This
was a complete and total failure, and it's all on
(39:23):
the doorstep of the former commissioner Larry Scott.
Speaker 5 (39:26):
He was awful for this league.
Speaker 3 (39:29):
So don't sugarcoat it. Do you not like the job
Larry Scott did? How you will?
Speaker 4 (39:34):
I think eight schools out of twelve have already spoken,
if even Arizona State, which did not want to leave,
If even they are leaving, that's all you need to know.
We mentioned it earlier in the show. Oregon and Washington
are leaving for a conference. It's only going to pay
him a half TV share, and that's still more than
(39:55):
they're going to get if they had stayed in the
PAC twelve.
Speaker 5 (39:58):
Michael Scott was a better bless.
Speaker 3 (40:00):
Yes, that's what she said.
Speaker 1 (40:02):
If you could sum up the PAC twelve, it was
the very first PACK twelve championship game. I think it
was Oregon and I forget who else it was. It
was at Levi Stadium and there was like one hundred people.
Speaker 4 (40:15):
That always campuses originally and then to neutral site.
Speaker 1 (40:18):
Right, and then it was a neutral site and the
first one they had it was Oregon and someone and
it was like one hundred people were there and I'm going,
oh my goodness, this is the PAC twelve championship game.
There is nobody here. It looks like a spring game
of a really small school. Right that's and this is
the conference championship game. I mean that's Larry Scott leadership,
you know, all wrapped up into one right there.
Speaker 5 (40:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (40:40):
So once we got to a PAC twelve conference, remember
Utah and Colorado were added, and look how good Utah
turned out to be. And even they aren't even staying here.
I mean, Utah has been the last two years your
champion of your league and they are leaving in a
year as well.
Speaker 1 (40:59):
Unbelieving, I'll tell you that is you want to know
why the PAC twelve is dead?
Speaker 3 (41:03):
Hell, there you go. That's all you need right there?
Speaker 1 (41:06):
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Speaker 4 (41:25):
Ay an update on baseball from San Diego Dodgers with
two bases, loaded walks and a five to three lead
in the eighth.
Speaker 1 (41:31):
There it is, I'm at Rosario now batting with the
bases loaded, two outs, a chance to break the game open.
Speaker 3 (41:36):
The X met with a chance at heroics.
Speaker 1 (41:39):
Coming up next, we will head to Vegas. What are
the next teams? Who are the next favorites to be
leaving their conferences? All we have all the inside info
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