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Jason Smith and Mike Harmon react to the jets losing on Monday night. Jason laments the horrible performance and explains why the illusion of hope has made this season extra awful for the Jets. NFL Insider Jason La Canfora joins the guys to react to the biggest storylines of Week 9. Plus, the Cubs go big and swipe Craig Counsell from the Brewers.

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(00:54):
Make it twenty seven to six charges with the lead
over the Jets. I hate football. The Jets get the
ball back twenty to six. They trail and Zach Wilson
gets the ball knocked out of his hands. It's picked up.
It's a fumble. It's returned all the way to the
Jets one yard line touchdown run of the next play

(01:17):
by Eckler make it twenty seven to six. Chargers lead
the Jets. Now we're closing it on two minutes and
Zach Wilson still clapping his hands in the side and going,
come on, guys, let's go. Now slid out at the two,
I would have had the most improbable comeback in a
Fantasy league ever because the Chargers would have gone over
thirty points to the Night. Insteadies slides out at the

(01:40):
two is foot just over the chuck and the pebbles,
all game up and then you get the punch in.
But this is it like the Ravens game, yesterdaight, Folks
that didn't watch it, you see the final score going.
My quarterback kicked ass. Yeah yeah, my quarterback didn't do anything,
threw fo one hundred yards.

Speaker 2 (01:56):
Hey yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:56):
No. Look, there's part of me that says, hey, gather myself.
Gather's part of me. There's part of me that said,
you know, when they returned that punch for a touchdown,
that was probably the game. Yeah, to make it seven nothing.
Then when it was fourteen nothing, I knew that was
really it because the Jets offense just stinks. Facing insurmountable

(02:19):
odds time, I'm gonna sit here in wordsmith you and
give you all kinds of five dollar words and all
kinds of stuff, and I'm gonna tell you right here,
the Jets offense stinks, and they're getting right now. It's
it's kind of weird. I feel like, now you're getting
what you deserve. Like every time the Jets start thinking,
and I don't know why but they do, but they
start thinking, hey, oh our offense is starting. We're getting

(02:42):
signs here. Maybe the offense is breaking out a little bit.
We're getting a little bit better, a little bit better.
They still stink. They stunk last week against the Giants,
they absolutely stunk, and tonight they stunk even worse. They
didn't go out and getting by the trade deadline when
they had to, but they were low into thinking, oh,
we're getting better. Zack Wilson is terrible. He is awful.

(03:05):
Your wide receivers outside of seventeen stink. Nobody can get
any separation. The offensive line is injured, and I like
Robert Sala saying, well, you know, no one's trade an
offensive line to the deadline. Hey, I saw the Jaguars
get an offensive lineman at the deadline for a sixth
round pick. The Jets offense stinks, and they still think that,
Oh no, no, everything we have is good and we

(03:26):
can still maybe do things, and they're getting better little
by the The only thing that's going to get better
is when eight comes back and I see him throwing
fifty yard pass the night before the game, better than
any passed Zach Wilson through tonight. Wilson was awfully. He
held out of the football too long, he wasn't accurate
with it, he missed his receivers, and everything else with
the offense is bad. And they thought that, well, but everything,

(03:48):
don't worry, don't worry. It's just a long season. We're
still staying in it, right Low. You won one of
the worst football games in the history of the NFL
last week against the Giants. It was an absolute miracle.
And what happened. No, weren't aggressed with the deadline. We
didn't go get anybody, and now we are paying for it,
and they're gonna pay for it the rest of the
season because they still think, Hey, our guys, we believe

(04:08):
in our guys. You brought in a bunch of wide receivers,
because Rogers wanted them. And they're washed. They're all washed
unless they're throwing a Garrett Wilson, who I can't believe
the guy is actually open sometimes because he's the only
guy would put somebody on. And Breis Hall, hey, as
well as he runs a football, you gotta be able
to do other things. And the offensive line is hurt
and Zach Wilson stinks, and they keep running the same

(04:29):
game plan where every pass Zach Wilson throws is five
yards or shorter from the line of scrimmage. You're not
gonna win that way. This is Jets football. And they
still think that they're Oh, it's coming, It's it's not coming.
This is what we're gonna see. This is what we're
gonna see for the rest of the season until eight
comes back. It's going to be this bad. This Charger
secondary is one of the worst secondaries in the NFL,

(04:51):
and still they can't put more than six points on
the board. The Jets offense is terrible, and they knew it,
and they still decided, well, let's with what we have.
And I don't understand on what planet that is. And
now I got veins popping out of my head. Yeah,
this last play a pass attempt down to Garrett Wilson
in live action, you just saw a lot of Chargers

(05:13):
defenders swirling around him. You know. It was like one
of those Hey we dipped a couple of drops of
blood into a Piranha tank and then watch the feeding
frenzy and soon because that was it, everybody wanted to
go and be on the jacked up segment as it were.
Now here's the thing with your jets. Opportunity knocked, hounded

(05:33):
on the door, say with the win tonight, Sorry, I
can't the door. I got a lot of locks on
these doors. I can't and it's kind of gendle, but
I'm trying to open I don't know that I can
open the door. No, the more appropriate response was what
a New Yorker would say, beat it. I don't watch
your opportunity. Dolphins get beaten by the Chiefs in Germany,

(05:54):
getting really good rant of that yesterday morning. So you
can find the podcast on that. But yeah, the opportunity
half game behind the Dolphins. Here you come and then
you go out and you got your ass with at
home on a Monday night where the Chargers have to
fly three thousand miles to play this game, and they
look like a playoff game to start. They're feeding frenzy

(06:15):
of that crowd, like the crowd noise was amazing, crowd
is great. And then the Jets offense gets on the
field and you see how bad it is. Yea, And
you can't win when you have all the penalties you
had tonight as well, every time the Jets games there
are penalties. Garrett Wilson had penalties. That penalty was the dumbest,

(06:36):
about as dumb as it gets, but the penalty. But
but what hurt them the most, And again this is
this is where now it's Robert. We get on Robert
solid because it's Robert Sola's fault is the Jets play
too undisciplined, They play on disciline because they get called
for bad penalties that they don't need to be called for. Right,
It's not like, hey, we're a penalized team because we're aggressive,
and this is just what happens. They get called for

(06:57):
penalties that are how do you get called for a fall?
Start here on first and time, how do you get
called for how do you how do you get called
for a penalty when you're blocking in the back when
the guy's already run by. Well but that but that's
the penalty that that shows, right because you tweeted about it.
We talked about it here more. You ranted, and I
tried to give you, you know, be your emotional rescue.

(07:18):
You will be mine, You will be mine, oh mine,
But I have your knight in shining where you where
you have the jawing sequence of Wilson with a Sante
Samuel Junior and then a Sante Samuel Junior has the
angle where he's gonna be able to make a tackle
and Wilson needlessly no, there's nothing he can do, just

(07:41):
pushes him. Two hand tap wasn't even a really good shove. Look,
if you're gonna go in and get the penalty, I mean,
come on, let's get some muscle into that. But I'll
tell you and and to finish up the undisciplined part,
because that's really what it is with the offense sinks
and they're on disciplined. And this is on Robert Solid.
And this is why I go from boy, hey, they
play hard for Robert Solid. He's got a great defensive

(08:03):
system in there. Offensively, the team is lost without Aaron Rodgers.
The team is absolutely lost, and there's nobody that's like
a bunch of kids playing dress up trying to get
the offense going. But that the play. That was the
game when the Jets had some life and they're down
seventeen to six. Okay, it's seventeen six. Early in the
fourth quarter, justin Herbert gets crunched, he fumbles the football.

(08:25):
Michael Clemens could have fallen on the football because there's
a lot of traffic. Yeah, right, So when there's a
lot of traffic, you fall in the football, and you're
a big guy, you're not getting out of there. And hey,
big guys falling that. My rule is always big guys
fallow in the football, right, big guys fall of the football.
I mean, I like a fat guy touchdown as much
as anybody. Yeah, but it's got it. But you don't
scoop and score unless there's an open field and you

(08:46):
can make the play without having to worry. Because if
you can't scoop and score at least Okay, I tried
to scoop, but I can fall. This was also scoop
and score. Of the balls ling on the ground, this
isn't rolling up. He tries to pick it up. Off
the ground. He doesn't get it, so justin Herbert's able
to pull his arm out and pull the football back in.
So instead of first down and ten from the Chargers twelve,

(09:08):
the Chargers keep the football and guess what they get
a first down, They drive down the field, they kick
a field goal that basically ends the game at twenty
to six. This is how maddening it is to be
a Jets fan. And I'll tell you for all of
the good feelings that I want to have because being
four and four, if you told me before the season, hey,
ha'd you feel about four and four? Okay? Because I

(09:30):
do feel good at four and four. It's a tough
schedule the first half of the season. It lightens up
a little bit here. This should have been a win.
It should have been a win, honestly, but it wasn't.
But four and four, okay. But to see the fact
that they still play so undisciplined with penalties and trying
to make stupid plays like that, and the fact that
they refuse to fix the offense because they think, no,
we have what we need and you don't. You don't.

(09:52):
I don't know anybody that thinks you the rest of
the league right now is saying, oh, thank goodness, the
Jets don't know what they're doing, because if they went
out and actually got offensive players that could help them,
watch out, man, they'd be just killing everybody because the
defense is fantastic. You know what else they should have done.
They should have gone out and gotten Josh Dobbs. Anyway,
three of fifteen third down efficiency for the Jets two

(10:13):
hundred and twenty five total yards to one hundred and
ninety one for the Chargers. Jets with eight penalties for
forty yards. And so the tail of the tape you
have more first downs, but the third down efficiency penalties.
And then look defense and special teams. We've watched the

(10:35):
pass rushers just get after. You got three different players
with multiple sacks for the Chargers in this game. Wilson
at times gets the ball out quickly, and at other
times he looks like he's has no idea what he's
seeing in front of him, like he's going back to
the Sam Darnold icy ghosts kind of game that we
had in the past. So that's what I would say,

(10:55):
to go to the Chargers just for a minute here,
We'll live in the misery of the yes for a
moment Chargers offense, and he had a couple of big
runs a couple of sequences. That catch by Keenan Allen
is about half of Justin Herbert's passing yards for the game,
but look succeed in proceed. Man, you're in the midpoint
of the season. And for Brandon Staley, you want to

(11:18):
talk about a game that he was gonna get left
on the tarmac if they lost this game, he out
coached Roberts. Just think right when you're out coached by
by Brandon Staley, that's almost as bad as getting out
coached by Josh McDaniels. I think he was helped by
the fact that he had three pass rushers, all of
whom are infinitely better than any offensive lineman, and Joey

(11:39):
Bosa kind of started the game going which one, which
one will it be? He saw the fear in the
rook size and he abused him the entire night. Look,
this game was the punt return for a touchdown and
then after the fumble at midfield, the Chargers get a
short field and they go fifty yards for a touchdown.
That's the game. That's it. Because the Jets offense is
that bad and that's what. That's what. It just take

(12:00):
my head and I go. These are professional people that
that run football organizations. And I don't know how you
can sit now. You can tell me you're not in
the building. You're not in the building. I watch because
every Sunday at one and four o'clock, or Sunday night
at eight o'clock, or Monday night at five, Sunday night
against the Raiders this week, twenty every Now, that's where
you prove it. That's where you prove it. I see
all of these games. I see all I see everything

(12:21):
that happens. I see everything that goes on, and you
can't tell me that it's enough. Well, well, this is
what goes on. I don't care what goes on behind.
Look there's an offense to running now, Yeah that's great.
Yeah they're down by twenty one. Now they can move
the ball down the field. Doesn't matter, doesn't matter, it
doesn't matter. I don't know how you can sit back
and say, yes, we're okay with what we have. It's trash,
it's it's you. And I know that Rogers is coming

(12:42):
back at some point, but what if he doesn't you know,
you know, what if he doesn't come back? What what
what if it's not something? What if by the time
you get to Rogers coming back out of the playoff race,
is he really gonna come back then? I mean, you
gotta win games for him to come back. You can't.
You can't put a crap like this every week, because
this is absolute crap. Monday and I football at home.
You're feeling good, you won three in a row, and
you are out of this game in the second quarter.

(13:04):
See it now, you got the feel good Raiders on
Sunday Night football after this man, and and just I
mean they're dancing, they're smoking cigars. Oh, they're singing Ding dong.
The witch is dead. I mean, they got all of
it going on. This you know, watching this is just
it's it's it's painful. It's well, he had a couple
of drives that started and it's like, all right, when

(13:24):
not if, when are they gonna shoot themselves in their
respective feet? And you watch Zach Wilson take a couple
of unfathomable sacks like that one drive that you yelled
at me at the start of last hour, right like
they're moving the ball well, and then what did he do?
He had one of those terrible sacks, and then he
had a couple circumstances whereby he did the old video

(13:47):
game thing if I'm gonna run thirty yards this way,
because then I wing it and it's like a frozen rope,
you know that glitch in the old football games. And
he tries that, except he takes the sack instead of
whipping the all downfield. The Jets just drop the touchdown
pass in the end zone. C j Uzoma is wide open.
He tried to kick it up to him. It hits him.

(14:08):
He's wide open, it hits him in the chest. He
drops it. You know what it looked like. It looks
like the Jackie Smith play from the Steelers Cowboys Super
when Jackie Smith drops that easy pass in the end zone.
That's what it looked like. So the Jets couldn't even
get an easy touchdown there with forty seconds left to go.
I mean, I mean, I wish I was a consultant,
because I would walk into I would walk into floora

(14:30):
park and I walk into Jet one Jets Drive, and
I would say, you guys, you know this is not
good enough, right? I think maybe you're too close to it.
You know, you're not good enough you know, you could
have gone out, as you said, and gotten Josh Dobbs,
who's a better quarterback. You could have got out and
gotten Josh Dobbs. The deadline mills, you coulda got out
and gotten it. You could have gotten a lot of
guys who might have been better taking Josh Dobbs won
a bleep in game with zero practice time. He was

(14:52):
practicing these cadence with his offensive lineman. Here's what my
voice sounds. Zach Wilson's practiced every day all Josh Dobbs
had zero practice and he looked better on Sunday than
Zack Wilson looked tonight. I mean, I don't know why
the Jets have this. We have to make Zach Wilson work.
You went out and replaced him, You went out and

(15:13):
replaced him with Aaron Rodgers. Why you still think he's
gonna be good? You still think the guy's gonna be good?
Describe the last two plays. Go on, go ahead, go ahead,
the Jets facing a fourth and goal. No, no, go back
to third down. I don't want to go back. No, no,
you hit rewind. I don't want to go back to
third down. You know when her instead of trying to

(15:34):
push the ball to the end. Zach Wilson is scrambling.
On third down, he could have gotten closer to the
end zone, but he runs out of bounds of the five. Okay,
Faced with fourth and goal, Zack Wilson throws the football
two yards short of the end zone. The Jets make
the catch, However, tackled short of the goal line, they
can't even get a gimmey touchdown that the Chargers are

(15:54):
okay handing to them because it's a twenty one point lead.
The Jets can't even get a gimmey touchdown and they're
losing this game. And then now the kneel down is happening,
and the Chargers are winning this twenty seven to six,
and the Jets just looked like a joke. I really
just thought it looked like a Jet. And I look,
I don't know that I've been more wrong in a game.
And I tell you what, you know, I always make

(16:15):
the full run of picks against the spread for the
week in the in the in the Yahoo group, and
I went nine to zero in the morning, and then
I only won one game after that. I don't know,
I evidently have got I'm really dialed in in the
one o'clock. But this one, I thought your Jets would
be fired up, that you'd be able to take advantage
a little bit, get the ball out quickly against this
Chargers secondary, and the defense would do its job. Well,

(16:39):
you didn't get any of those turnovers, the bounces didn't
go your way, a couple of tip balls that just
fell harmlessly to the ground, and now you got an
absolute beat down as this goes final. I know, buddy,
I hate football, I do. I hate football, but Syracuse
basketball started today. Syracuse won the Knicks one. Okay, I
didn't get Craig counsel and the Jets lost. I'm a zero.
Someday best web best is it better? Beating James Harden? No? No,

(17:07):
in order? The best things of my day? Yeah, oh,
let's say sandwich sandwich, okay, the best sports things, best
sports thing okay, uh okay, the Knicks beating Harden. Yeah,
Syracuse winning, Okay, but that's close because I wanted to
win the first game of the age offers. Yeah, okay, No,
it's gonna make then when the third thing is that
the Mets hiring girls Mendoza and the fourth thing is

(17:28):
the Jets yeah, okay, okay, yeah. All four of my
main things I got was a stat that said Craig
Counsel would have been the eleventh I am richest free
agent signing in White Sox history. Mon, do you think
that makes me feel when I watch guys do that.
I got eleven this year. I have my own sports
equinox today. All for my teams had something crazy after that.
But you're in good balanced with the force man.

Speaker 2 (17:51):
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Speaker 1 (18:01):
Joining us now in the hotline for all the big
news from this week in the NFL, Nobody Better, longtime
NFL Insider Odyssey, Washington Post. You can fall on Twitter
at Jason Lock and for it, Jay Low. What's happening, Bud?
What's going on?

Speaker 3 (18:17):
Gentlemen?

Speaker 1 (18:18):
Buddy you we're talking for the first time since Jim
Beheim is not the head coach of Syracuse Basketball.

Speaker 3 (18:25):
My daughter is there with their friends, sending me pictures
from the Carrier Dome. We just got back from a
family weekend ourselves, my wife and I on Sunday morning.
So yeah, she's there for the historic moment. Nice good him.

Speaker 1 (18:41):
Wow that's a hot take. Well, meet the.

Speaker 3 (18:45):
Kids from the Daily Orange, like crap, you know, the
ones who were paying in Sally and paying that exorbitant
tuition that's now even more ridiculous than ever.

Speaker 1 (18:53):
All Right, So, while we're passing in the glow of
Syracuse win because I don't know how many we're going
to get, we saw a couple of big statements made
this weekend. If I said to you, fill in the blank,
the best team in the NFL is either the Ravens
or the Eagles, who are you giving me?

Speaker 3 (19:11):
Well, yeah, I mean I really think that that is.
It's one or the other. Right, I kind of feel
like they're in their own tier. They have played their
way into their own tier. Who would I say, I mean,
I might lean Eagles. It's not a strong lead. It's

(19:35):
coin flip, you know. I think Baltimore has been buying
large and much better health, certainly much better health than
they've been in in recent years. And I feel like
the Eagles have had to deal with maybe a little
bit more injury adversity, and maybe the Eagles hit another gear,

(19:55):
you know, if they get a little healthier, which you know,
I kind of feel like they're rounding into but both
are balanced football teams. I think the Ravens secondary is
obviously superior to Philadelphia's this year. But again, I think
they just made a significant trade for a safety. You know,

(20:15):
what is that? What was that a little over a
week ago? I you know, I believe that unit will
will get better, is getting better, and they just find
ways to win close games. And it's not that the
Ravens don't if you just look at their record, but
the Ravens over the last couple of years have had

(20:36):
their share of fourth quarter issues. So I would give
a slightest of slightly leans to the to the Eagles.
But the look, there's a reason we're talking about these
two teams at the onset, and that doesn't mean that
Kansas City should be written off. And that doesn't mean
that San Francisco can't get healthier in the second half
and get some stuff going. But yeah, I think the

(21:02):
mid Atlantic region is being served very well right now
in the NFL.

Speaker 1 (21:06):
You got to talk about the excitement of the AFC
North and for the Ravens, don't look in the rear
view mirror. You know, objects are closer than they may appear. Suddenly,
Cincinnati the only guy ever to get healthier while playing
injury is kind of a big deal.

Speaker 3 (21:21):
Yeah, right through it for five weeks and then it'll
all come you know. Yeah, Well, look that's a that's
the hell of a football team. It has been for
years now. And that's another team that knows how to win.
And and all of these you go back now parts
of three seasons, and they they really start to ascend

(21:42):
in October for whatever reason. I guess the common denominator
would probably be the quarterbacks help. But it's a pretty
darn good defense too, and the coordinator knows what he's doing.
He knows how to keep things in front of them,
and they've had to adjust to life without their two
veteran safeties, and I think you've seen them coalesce on

(22:02):
the back end as the season's gone on. And when
when Joe Burrow is in the kind of form he's
in right now, and they're as healthy as they are,
and we'll have to see about Jamar Chase because obviously
he did take a heck of a fall there to
the lower back upper buttock region. But when they've got
him going and Higgins going and Boyd going, and now

(22:24):
they've even got a few tight ends showing up like
geez a whiz, you know. And they don't run it
that well, but they run it just well enough that
if you want to sit back there and play it
two or three man shell, then you know, Burrow will
check out us some stuff and he'll give mix and
a you know, a shot or two, and he'll do
just enough most of the time. So yeah, it's a

(22:45):
formidable group. And I would you know, right now, they
look better than Kansas City as well. You know, I
think Cincinnati looks better than anybody in the in the
AFC East, So you know, don't sleep on Jacksonville either.
I mean, and what they've done with the gauntlet that
they've faced from a travel standpoint, and now them getting

(23:05):
to catch their breadth at you know, at the buy
and they've got you know, meeting looming with Baltimore, but
the rest of their schedule doesn't look nearly as daunting
as some other teams, so I think they'll have something
to do with it as well.

Speaker 1 (23:17):
Jason Locking for NFL Insider our guest The Jason Smith
Show with Mike Carmon live from the tirec dot Com studios.
All right, let's get to all these crazy rumors now
coming out of New England. Look, the Patriots lose again,
the Commanders get the w and we've heard rumblings that
of there could be a trade from Belichick to the Commanders.
Now we're hearing the Bears could be interested if something

(23:38):
like this happens. What are you hearing? What's the possibility
we could actually see Bill Belichick get traded at some point?

Speaker 3 (23:45):
Well, I wrote a while back at the Washington Post
that it's interesting you mentioned those two teams, because I wrote,
I mean, it's it's probably been close to a month
now that that thing was over in New England, and
you know, Bob Craft had had seen enough, and Bob
Craft certainly have the stones to fire this guy if
that's what it came to. But most likely you're going

(24:05):
to see a parting of the ways that he's going
to want to explore other options and they're going to
want to go in a different direction, and I think
it'll be fairly amicable. I don't think Bob Kraft wants
to go through what sort of the end of the
Tom Brady thing. Was. I think I'll want to rip
this wound off, you know, rip the band aid off,

(24:27):
and let this guy go on his way, and he'll
go on his way and and that'll be that. And yeah,
i've heard, you know that he's got a lot of
interest in Washington and that appeals to him. I don't
know if that's you know, mutual. We've got a wild
card there and a new owner, and you know, does

(24:48):
he want to bring in a seventy two year old
guy to run the whole thing? Like I don't know.
That feels a little bit like Joe Gibbs, you know,
like I know that wasn't him. But those kind of
things rare work, and I would think they're trying to
build something for the long haul there, but who knows.
And then obviously Bill Belichick, being the history buff that
he is, breaking that record in hallis Hall would would

(25:11):
have a special significance to him. So yeah, And there's
a lot of rumors out there about Mike Rabel and
Nick Cassario maybe coming back to the Nest and them
landing in New England when I'm not even gonna say
if when Bill Belichick leaves, you know, a trade, I
just I don't know if it comes to all that.

(25:32):
You know, I just think he's gone and they're going
in a different direction, and it'll be fascinating to watch
all this unfold.

Speaker 1 (25:42):
You saw Vrabel get the Heroes welcome, you know, a
couple of weeks ago, and the Patriots put up their
best effort ever. Now in Las Vegas, we had a
scene reminiscent of the Wizard of oz Ding Dong. The
witch is dead because Josh mcdaniels's balanced, everybody's smoking cigars,
playing basketball, lose main Antonio Piers true audition for the

(26:06):
job or placeholder. Either way, it worked for a week,
but it was the Giants on the other side.

Speaker 3 (26:12):
Yeah, but that was a dismantling and I think he
has a real opportunity here. Look, Mark Davis, we know,
is a wild card, and people have talked to about
this situation around the league. You know, many of them
do go back to the Rich Pasaccia situation. Not to
say that Mark Davis would go back to him, but

(26:33):
to say that if Mark Davis, who's had difficulty sort
of coming up with a culture there that is sort
of player friendly that people want to be a part of,
that is sustainable and relatable that this might be the
direction he goes. I mean, that's a locker room where

(26:53):
they all wanted out. Anybody who had trade value wanted
out at the deadline, and the owner is aware of it.
Some of those guys now buy back in, and certainly
they seem to have short term wise, right because of
Antonio Pierce and because of this very different dynamic and
a very different leadership style. And I don't think they're
going to finish seven to five like they did with Pasacia, right,

(27:16):
And remember they beat the Cowboys on Thanksgiving in Dallas
and they damn near beat Cincinnati in a playoff game.
I don't think this Raiders team is going to go
that far. But I also don't think they have to
go that far. Oh and he's you know, younger and
much much cheaper, and Mark Davis is still paying Gruden

(27:37):
and you know McDaniels, So no, And I think you know, also,
we see a lot of coaches of color in this
league kind of get chewed up and spit out as
the interim guy who are never really given a real chance.
And I think Mark Davis knows about his dad's legacy
in this league and his dad being one of the

(27:59):
most aggressive owners, maybe the most progressive owner this league
has ever seen. And Antonio Pierce growing up in Compton
and being a Raiders fan like you. No, I think
they fight hard and they win a few games. Like
I don't think it's out of the question because it's
not the most attractive job in the world, and I
don't think Mark Davis wants to go out there and

(28:19):
win bidding wars for some other unknown quantity. I think
that there could be some real residence if Antonio Pierce
put something together.

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(30:11):
Monday Night Football a game that no one's gonna put
in any kind of time capsule. The Chargers beat the
Jets twenty seven to six. Keenan Allen will Keenan Allen, Yes,
gets to ten thousand yards for his career, makes maybe
the catch of the year in the NFL. That's good.
I don't know that there's been a better catch so far.
I mean, come on, that was a nice rolling. That

(30:33):
was a nod to the Simpsons Treehouse of Horror or
terror whatever they call it. Treehouse of Horror. Yeah, okay, yeah,
but just because every five minutes there's something to laugh
about the Jets on the Chargers win tonight. They had
two drives longer than twenty four yards. Yeah, and they
still scored twenty seven points and beat the Jets twenty
seven to six. Right defense, Special teams domination. But the

(30:57):
Jets offense is just so bad. And we've talked about
a lot the last hour about how bad it is
and how the Jets refused to understand that there was
a problem. You saw bad. It was a week ago,
all right, that should have been your last sign going
this is really really bad. This is really really bad, man,
I mean it's really bad. And what do you get

(31:19):
this is what you get coming off of a big one,
and you don't make a move. You realize to watch
Zach Wilson play like this, and you watch the entire
offense play like this, because you know, look, when we
got into this a few weeks a couple of weeks ago,
I said, look, there's a lot that's wrong here. The
Jets went all in on Aaron Rodgers. Rogers got hurt.
They brought in the players that he wanted. They thought, look,

(31:40):
this is gonna be great. Aaron likes Alan Lazard. We're
gonna goet Alan Lazart, Alizard is washed you. Raynal Cobb
can't even get on the field. Right. You have Garrett Wilson,
who's great, and that's really it. And now you have
an offense that your receivers are terrible, your offensive line
is hurt, and your quarter stinks. And I don't know

(32:01):
why they feel the need to be so beholden to
Zach Wilson when he has done nothing but not even
clear the lowest bar, like it's it's one thing if
you gotta live. But guys that have been long time
backups that are getting chances to play now, Josh again
Josh Dobbs keep going Josh dooms. Okay for Arizona with
no practice. He won a game from Minnesota yesterday. Like

(32:23):
there's guys that dead barely play. Will Levis no reps
is number one quarterback. He comes in and he's great.
At some point, you've had three seasons to know our
quarterback is bad and if something happens, we have to
go out and get something else. And they didn't do
it when Aaron Rodgers got hurt. Okay, okay again, I
go back to the horror movie thing. Well, they did
bring in Tim Boyle when the old man says, I

(32:44):
wouldn't go in those woods because there's a guy in there,
man wearing a hockey mask, and he just kills everybody. Yeah,
but when's the last time he killed somebody. Maybe he's
not gonna kill anybody this weekend. Nah, I don't know.
I wouldn't go there. I think it just he just
killed a bunch of people last week. Cops were here,
took a bunch of stuff out. I wouldn't go. Nah,
thanks a lot o man. Alright, we're gonna go. And
then they go in and then Jason goes up and
he starts tearing up the camp and people go, oh, well,

(33:05):
you know I should do instead of running away, I'm
gonna stay here and try to fight him. No, you
don't tell he try to run away? How many warnings?
How many chances to throw the emergency break do you
get in a horror movie? And no, no, no, I'm
gonna continue to make bad decisions. I don't know who
makes worse decisions, people in a horror movie or the Jets.
But you had the off season where you signed Aaron Rodgers.
You are turning the page on Zach Wilson. Why the

(33:26):
hell do you feel the need to say, Hey, we're
gonna keep He's gonna be our backup. You're done with him,
You're done. You're done because he stinks. He was overdrafted,
he wasn't a guy. You gave him two full years
and you couldn't even trust him to throw the football
more than five yards. He's bad. So you should have
gone out and got another guy, and you didn't. Okay,
Rogers gets hurt. Oh man, now we're stuck with Zack Wilson,

(33:47):
and Zach Wilson still struggles every single week to put
points on the board to move the team he's inaccurate.
Not all of it is his fault. But you know what,
a good quarterback overcomes stuff. Again, see Josh Dobbs, who
is able to walk in with no prack this and
win a game. So the Jets had another chance to say, Okay,
we may need to get better at quarterback. Let's try
to go get a guy that debt. No, we're not
gonna get a guy at the deadline, because Rogers is

(34:08):
coming back. If Rogers was coming back sometime in mid
November or in a week or two, I would say, Okay, hey,
you're gonna try to try to stay afloat. But you
don't know when he's gonna come back, you know, And
don't you want to win games until then? Because again,
Josh Dobbs, I'm gonna tell you and show you that
he showed you that with no practice time I can
come in and win a game. I don't need practice order.

(34:29):
How long is it take you to get up to
speak with the playbook, Josh Dobbs don't even know the
plays man. He said, Hey, Justin, go along, I'm Jordan.
Justin's out. Oh right, sorry, all right, Justin's out. Jordan.
You sound like all the guys, some new kids on
the block. Hey you got Justin and Jordan and kJ
and Alexander. Yeah at all?

Speaker 2 (34:46):
Oh gain nothing?

Speaker 1 (34:48):
But so he goes and wins games. And I don't
need to know the playbook. The Jets could have done it.
They had multiple chances to say, we need to make
sure we get better at quarterback. And again, it's not
all on Zach Wilson, but a decent quarterback is able
to cover up and make some kind of plays, and
he can't. And and they don't call They don't call

(35:09):
plays that that do what he does great. They don't
let him get outside the pocket, they don't let him
throw down, feel into any of these things. And the
Jets wind up struggling every single week. And they didn't
have to. And that's the worst part is that this
is not well, Hey, X, Y and Z happening, and
you're trying to adjust on the fly. No, you would
in many multiple warnings. You need to get better here,

(35:29):
need to get better, need to get better. No, no, no, no,
we're fine. We don't need to do anything. We don't
know anything, old man. We're going And I got six
packs of beer, I got a lot of pot Oh,
we're gonna have sex and oh my god, everything we need.
Old man, that's gonna fight you dude, take your serial
killer and you shove it all right. No, okay, I'll
tell you this. The way you describe it, that's one

(35:50):
hell of a way to go. I mean, that could
be more crashed for some of the things that my
uncle always talked about when he would die, how he
had wished and you could go to the worst imaginable
things whatever, the crassest is that a word, sure, crudest
thing that goes into your head. That's what he had

(36:13):
to say. Now, Zach Wilson five point three seven yards
per pass attempt today as he does go for the
two sixty three absorbed, eight sacks, couple of fumbles, all
of those things. Your guy, Breeze Hall is also a
whole other thing, right, because you don't have to worry
about Zach Wilson other than what Garrett Wilson does and

(36:35):
Conklin and a couple of guys made plays later. That's
all finding good. But you look at the Breeze Hall
stats to kind of show the problems as many tentacles.
At this point he had that one hundred and twenty
seven yard performance against the Bills in the season opener.
He had one hundred and seventy seven yards against the Broncos,

(36:56):
very I mean, the most carries he had all year. Otherwise,
Let's see against Cowboys the average two point two yarns
against the Patriots, one point five, nine point three against Chiefs.
That was good. But he had six carries Broncos eight
yards of carry, and then the last three he's reading
the NFL in yards per carry. I mean that Breese

(37:17):
Hall is Breece Hall is not the problem. Twelve for
thirty nine, twelve for seventeen, sixteen for fifty. Well, what
look at tonight? What happened tonight? The Jets got down
fourteen to nothing in the first wold. By what I'm saying,
you're not able to run the football. You know you can't.
You're down fourteen nothing. That may as well have been
fifty points with this. He still had sixteen carries and
he barely fell forward. Okay, don't try to absolve him,

(37:39):
because it's all the problem I'm saying. He doesn't doesn't
he doesn't take every snap. No, he's not. He's not
the head of the stake here. No, the decision makers
are the ones that need to be called out. And obviously,
Zach Wilson, you felt a lot better about him three
and a half hours ago. I never felt good it.
No you did, though, No, I never know you love
him as even the Jets are winning. I'm telling you,
Zach Wilson stinks. Even when they win. I tell you,

(38:01):
don't forget he stinks. Don't forget. Every Jets win it's
tempered by don't forget. Don't forget they won in spite
of him. Dot dot No, it's it's a difficult thing
when you see Look Mike White, while he was no
great shakes, he's down in Miami. And now you have
Tim Boyle, who couldn't hang on as the backup in Chicago.

(38:22):
Cut brought back, cut brought back. Now he's the backup
for the Jets. And you know you keep referencing Josh Dobbs.
Remember he is the new Ryan Fitzpatrick as an aerospace engineer.
He is the smartest quarterback in the room, although I
don't think he reminds you of that by bringing family
members up there. I think Taylor Heineke is the new

(38:44):
Ryan Fitzpatrick where he plays well for a little bit
you think, well, and then he turns back. I'm just
going into the smartest guy. But I think it's Heinick's
jumped from team to team. He's played really well into
Taylor Hi. Yeah, they're like Bryan Fitzpatrick h heir apparents

(39:07):
as it were. But yeah, for your Jets, it's it's
a mess. Like as soon as Rogers went down, you
gotta go into the Marcus play well. I mean last
week before the trade deadline, what we do? We harped
on Jerry Jones time and time again. What came into
play down in yesterday's loss to the Eagles. The fact
that you didn't have another wide receiver to go to

(39:28):
and look Ferguson's wide open door workings Bryan Tomorrow for
a reason talking about a guy, you know, another guy
whose career was jettison for the fact that he couldn't
lay off the the weed. Hey, did you hear the
Cowboys are working out? Brian Tomorrow?

Speaker 3 (39:44):
Nah?

Speaker 1 (39:44):
Not you DEAs a different one. Sorry, bring back the X.
But they also didn't go get a running back, whether
it was Derrick Henry or anybody else. We thought maybe
a reunion with Zeke Elliott could be in the cards. Nope,
didn't know any of that. Tony Pollin continues to struggle,
and especially in short yarded situation, he's a non factor.

(40:05):
So the fact that teams couldn't look themselves in the
mirror and get out of their own way is to
go into the trade market or free agent market. When
you've had players floating around, particularly running back, you can
always find someone to bring into the mix and give
a look. See that. We're now at a point with

(40:28):
your Jets. This is a massive loss because it's Monday
night football. You had a playoff atmosphere to start. You
have the Chargers coming in. Yes, they beat up on
a Bears team that's sinking towards the bottom of the pit.
Once again, they're not climbing out like Bain. But now

(40:48):
you have the situation where you let their defense dictate
things instead of trying to attack a secondary that's been beatable.
You held the ball in the pocket. You showed those
warts because when they operated fast, what they do they
move the ball. And then Zach Wilson reverted to old
form of like all right, I'm gonna stand in the pocket.
One one thousand, two, one thousand and three, one thousand oh,

(41:08):
I just got hit. Get rid of the ball. Now. Now,
there isn't always just doom and gloom with the Jets,
it seems like it, but there is a little bit
of hope. All right. Now, you want to talk about
the one thing that can save the Jets because it's
only one thing, because it's not anybody with the team,
because Joe Douglas and Robert Sala continue to biff chances

(41:31):
that they need to do to make the team better.
This is from after tonight's game the Chargers beat the Jets,
and Derwin James of the Chargers on the field and
he's shaking hands with Aaron Rodgers, and we're gonna play
the audio for you and try and listen to see
what you can hear. We'll tell you exactly what said.
Derwin James asks Aaron Rodgers. How long till you're back?

(41:58):
All right? He says, when you come in? And Aaron
Rodgers says, a few weeks, give me a couple of weeks. Yeah,
and a few weeks. And then you heard Jared Jay's yeah,
come on and suit up. I don't know if he
said they need you suit up, I wouldn't surprise me.
That's the only thing that can save the Jets. He
is the only thing, because that's the only addition they
can make that will change what's going on now, because

(42:18):
clearly they they don't know how to make any changes
offensively to try to make the team better. They're still
running the same offense, which is terrible. Which when you
keep running the same offense is terrible. Make a few changes,
you try to do things a little bit differently. No,
the Jets won't do that. The only thing they can
hope for is that he has this miraculous recovery. And
in the back of my head, I'm thinking, boy, if

(42:39):
he rushes all the way back and then gets hurt
and he blows out his achilles again, like what second
to mean? But now I'm thinking when he says a
few weeks, is that like after Thanksgiving? Is that you know?
Because if you said in a month or two, that's
the normal, that's the normal Christmas holiday holiday holiday holiday
deadline that we thought Aaron Roddy was still shooting for, right,

(43:01):
you gonna come back around Christmas because the season goes
up through the new year. But when he says a
few weeks, I'm saying, Okay, this is nearly mid November.
Now we're gonna see him right after Thanksgiving. We're gonna
see him. We're gonna see him like week twelve. I
mean really, we're gonna see him week twelve.

Speaker 2 (43:14):
Now.

Speaker 1 (43:15):
Now, if we see him back week twelve, truly, I
do want a minute by minute accounting of everything that's
going on and what the injury actually was. Show me
the scans. I mean real ones, no doctored ones. I
want him fresh out of the oven when they're baked.
But if he were to come back like that, I mean,
it would be a Christmas miracle, like when you know

(43:38):
Missus Brady got her voice back to do the Christmas concert. Dude,
you have to forget about millennials. You gotta explain to
some Generation X people what that reference was. Nah, that's
a good one. Everybody watches the Brady Bunch, you know.
I saw a videotape my wife showed me and Pam show.
He says, look at this video. I said, that's Alice
from the Brady Bunch. He goes, yeah, how old do

(43:58):
you think she was in this picture? I got it
she was forty two. Forty two? Yeah, no, a lot
of those forty two forty five, right, I mean that's
what they did with hard sixty Archie Bunker, right. How
old they? Yeah, mid forties, Yeah, he's forty four. Here
wait really, Carol Connery hel how old is he? Thirty eight? Yeah?
Oh yeah, yeah yeah? WHOA life was rough in the seventies.

(44:19):
But I think about my my mom's mom, like, was
walking around the moon Moves when I was a kid.
How old was she? Fifty two? Your mom looked like
Missus Roper? No, no, no, my my grandmother looked like
Missus Roper because she wore the movies all the time.
You know, they're not having missus Missus Roper kind of
dress up in k meet ups. Kind of things happened. Really,
you can dress out of a big dad, not kind of.
Mine did that with a bunch of her girlfriends about

(44:40):
two weeks ago. That's a big deal or something you'd
started they found in the dark web? Was that something?
I don't know if it's a big deal. Hey, you
know what, if I were to open a bar, I
would try to recreate everything that was right with the
Regal Beagle. Would you call it the Beagle Regal? I
call it Beagle Regal, So I don't get sued. No,
I try to get the rights. That's you can't get

(45:01):
the rights of regal Beagle. And then i'd see if
Richard Robert Richard Robert Kline, because you got the brothers. Larry, Yeah,
Larry Dallis. I gotta see Larry Dallis is available to
be there at the grant Richard, Richard, Richard Klin, Robert
Robert Klin, Yes, yeah, yeah. Lee Cline, who I used
to work with. Of all the Kleine brothers, there you

(45:22):
go and all kinds together. I have, I have, I'm one.
I'm one connection removed from Robert Clink about that, ye
who knew one? I don't know that. I could call
Lee Cline, who I used to do radio shows with,
and get to Robert he hate you. No, no, no,
I just don't. I don't. No, I can confer Lee
and I are Leon. I are fine. It's not about

(45:43):
that Twitter. And how about a fresco Mike and sw
I know. If he talks to his cousin, that's it.
I don't. If he talks to his cousin, that's all.
The Jason Smith Show with Mike Harmon Live from the
tire rack dot Com studios. So that's the only thing
one thing to say to the Jets. Rogers comes back.
That's it. Every week now is just can we win
this game nine cent? And is one another week? Like
the highlight for me offensively now if Jets games is

(46:05):
gonna be watching Rogers throw pregame, that's the best thing.
I'm going back. It was pretty good. He did that
for a nationwide audience and it went viral. Stepping into it,
he's walked in. He didn't have to have the golf
cart or anything. He's stepping into throws and throwing it
further than Zach Wilson during the game. Although I don't
think he's supposed to be acting at this point. I

(46:28):
think they're still on strike, so I think he's breaking
all protocols with his dramatic entrances to the field of play.
This this is maybe how it goes an Arian Foster's script.
We get a post Thanksgiving, Aaron Rodgers is back, a
mere three months after tearing his achilles. He is back,
and the NFL would pass a rule You're not allowed

(46:49):
to sack Aaron rod No, No, no, he's gonna happen. There's
gonna be like a halo rule in effect. Well, no, no,
you gotta get two hand touched and two hands at
the same time, like when you playing on the street.
Can't pitter patter. It's gotta be two hands to the
same time. If you hit him, that's a penalty. But
two hand touches us acond, No, no, no, Because we
know he's such a fan of the Master Thespians on
Broadway when he did his tourism thing when he first

(47:11):
signed with the Jets. There will be someone who will
become a spotlight operator, and the spotlight on Aaron Rodgers
will be wide enough whereby if you go inside that
halo hits a red card.

Speaker 2 (47:24):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Jason Smith
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Speaker 1 (47:34):
But earlier today. The big managerial swapperoo oh yeah switcheroo
of twenty twenty three, The Mets don't get Craig Council,
who becomes the manager of the Chicago Cubs. I believe
he was actually named the manager before they had fired
David Ross. Did he find out on Twitter? I think
so many other people are finding out about losing job. No, no,

(47:57):
you find out that's been that's like so five minutes ago.
Now I think he found out by council like walking
into his office and saying, hey, you want to get
your stuff because this is my room. Now he literally
starts pulling pictures and putting him in a box on him. Yeah,
the the security will help you. Right now, I've already
done my photo shoot. And here it is. I've done

(48:17):
my photo. There's a picture of me in my new
Cubs uniform. David Ross is Wait a minute, that's you.
That's your head photoshopped on my body with the team
from last year. Yeah. Sorry, man, it's all working now.
Life comes at you fast. So a crazy day today,
and you know, the Cubs part of it is. Look
not that it's not completely unexpected, because as you mentioned earlier,

(48:39):
there were whispers that David Ross was going to be
on thin ice. They had the big run this year,
didn't make the playoffs. Oh that's September. But there was
no but there was no talk whatsoever. And suddenly, oh,
we're going to give Craig Counsel more money than even
the Mets want to give him. And instead of going
to the Mets. It's hey, Craig Counsel is going to
be the manager of the Cubs. Well, we know the
Cubs were looking for a manager about David Ross. Could

(49:01):
have been handled a little bit better, but in the end,
you know, look, the Cubs got their guy. And for
the Mets, here's the thing is is it a good
optic that David Sterens, who ran the Brewers comes to
run the Mets The only manager he ever hired anew
was Craig Counsel. Well, I mean, it's the old rule

(49:22):
of thumb. The devil you know, and the devil you don't.
You know, the only guy hired, only guy ever hired.
He wanted to get paid more money. He supposedly liked
New York and David Stearns in the first big decision
that he has to make the manager who was supposed
to be the slam dunk choice, the guy what not
only doesn't come to New York, he goes to a

(49:44):
different team, doesn't stay with his old team, he goes
to a different team. Right now, that's a bad divisions.
I'm not saying that's that's a bad optic and that
pisses me off, But am I really mad, Not really
because because no, no to it. Well, the Jets really let
me forget about the Jets for five bleep in seconds. Okay,

(50:05):
you jerk, I was trying to help you out for reasons,
why mad, Yeah, I'm gonna hit you over the head
with something. I'd gonna find something that hit you with.
That bottle is almost empty. There's no damage being done there.
It's clear Craig Counsel did not want to come to
the Mets, right. He didn't want to come because he
wound up using the Mets' leverage, which is probably what
he wanted to do anyway, to get more money and

(50:25):
to stay in the Midwest, because that's all we've heard
from the beginning. Craig Council loves the Midwest, doesn't want
to leave, doesn't want to but he loves New York.
Now wait a minute, and I said time out. Does
he love the Midwest or does he love New York?
And when I heard him say, oh, supposedly he loves
New York, I knew in my head he's using New
York as leverage, just like Kirk Cousins used the Jets's
leverage to get the contract he wanted from the Vikings

(50:47):
the first time around, when it was down to the
Jets are Vikings for Kirk Cousins, and he chose the Vikings.
I knew Craig Council is using the Jets's leverage, and
my hope was, if Steve Cohen is going to pay
him more money than anybody who was going to pay him,
he would say yes. But it's clear he had no
desire to take the job. And I think the Mets
had a little bit of an inkland because they jumped
to hire Carlos Mendoza from the Yankees before this broke,

(51:10):
and the Cubs gave him more money than the Mets
were willing to give him. So I'm pretty sure by
the people that I talked to today and what I read,
the Mets seem to think, Yeah, we're not going to
force the guy to come here, because that's you have
to do. You can't force the guy to come where
he doesn't want to go, and if he doesn't really
want to be there, you're not going to go crazy.
So you know what, go someplace else and we'll hire
someone else, because you know what, Carlos Mendoza, Yankee bench coach,

(51:32):
he checks the box I like the most. Is New
York going to be too much for him? No coaching
in New York. He managed more games than Aaron boom
Zaren Bud got thrown out of every game, so he
got to jump in and manage arrest of games. He
knows New York. He's been a bench coach there for
a while. And you can win because what ten of
the twelve playoff teams this year? These managers are in
their first managerial job. So it's okay. And that gets

(51:54):
the other reason why, because yes, Craig Council didn't want
to come and use the Mets as leverage. It happens.
But the other thing is hiring a manager is like
is like signing a big guy in free agency. You
do your due diligence, you try to fit the spot,
you try to fit with what you need, and then
you have to hope it works right Buck Showalter for
two years, one year is a great manager, second year

(52:15):
is a bad manager. So it's all of a sudden
he changed being what kind of management's from year one
to year? No, the Mets didn't play well the second
year and they underachieved and they didn't win, doesn't mean
show Walter is a bad manager. It means, Okay, your
message is not getting across, so change is needed. But
I'm okay with it. Maybe Carlos Mendoza works, maybe he doesn't.
Maybe Craig Counsel works for the Cubs, maybe he doesn't.

(52:36):
But as we're seeing teams that are paying a lot
for their coaches after a couple of years agoing, hmm,
can we get out of this? See Lincoln Riley, USC
Mel Tucker and Michigan State for different reasons obviously, but
you're saying, hey, Brian Kelly, LSU, we were into these
guys for a lot of money now and now here's
Craig Counsel. If Craig Counsel doesn't work, that's a lot
of money you're paying a manager. Yeah. I think with

(52:57):
some of those instances you obviously have other factors, and
then some of it is a calculated gamble, right based
on history. I mean, look at Brian Kelly, go back
to his time at Notre Dame. There's still some things
that never got answered for. But when when you look
at this scenario, I'm wondering if with the Mets, you

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didn't have a situation whereby for Council. It was a
little bit of the due diligence on his part trying
to figure out what that organization was going to look like. Right,
we've talked a lot about is Pete Alonzo leaving? If
this guy's gone, you trade it off. Now they were
older injured parts from your pitching staff, you know, World

(53:41):
Series champions. But the they're gone and from a divestiture
you're looking at that's a big word. Yeah, that's a
big word. What is that a real word? Divestitures? What's
your what is your payroll going to look like? What
kind of team are you fielding here?

Speaker 3 (53:59):
Right?

Speaker 1 (53:59):
You're gonna pay King's ransom to come in and manage what?
Right With the Cubs, all reports are that they're really
getting ready to load up and make a you know,
they're the mystery secret whatever team for you know, Shoho Tani,
and they're being attached to all these different names and
free agency, Like here's a spending spree getting to come

(54:20):
from the Ricketts family now that they've completely redone Wrigleyville
and it's a shell of its former charming self. But
you look at the the possibility that all right, I'm
going to go manage them, but I'm also gonna get
enjoy a sizeable. The Chargers won the Monday night. Oh hey, okay,

(54:42):
we're good. Now, all right, we're all good. I know,
we're all good. We're all good. Continue to make it
like I knew that Steve Seger wanted to make sure
we knew the Chargers won. But the idea of back
for the Cubs, that they're going to roll up and
pay out a lot of money. Maybe Counsel in his
due diligence. Maybe it was maybe it was the Pope.
Maybe he was just listening to the radio and thought

(55:03):
he heard that they were not going to have a
robust payroll. And if you're going to go to New York,
you're expected to win. As you were just talking about
with Showalter, how quickly the honeymoon period goes roight. I mean,
we've seen this in sports all over the place. How
much as fans, how much you love something and then
you become you know, start to hate watch pretty fast,

(55:24):
like you did with your Jets tonight. And if your
credit the Jets a loss, Yeah, but you're not signed
up for that. If you're a Greig counsel like you
don't need the Mets guys and Frank the Tank and
you and whatever else coming after you. No, he did
not look. New York is not for certain cities are
not for but New York is not for everybody. You're
seeing Los Angeles as not for Lincoln Riley, right, you're

(55:45):
seeing certain big cities or not for certain coaches. And
and if you didn't want to show, Okay, yeah you
don't want to come, I'm not going to convince you
to say, oh no, no, no in this case, go go
someplace else. Then I don't care. But I'll give him credit.
He knows the rules of engagement. And maybe that's why
New York was crossed off his list. Lincoln Roley forgot
to get that extra memo. Look, Craig Counsel wanted to

(56:05):
get paid, and he wanted to stay close to home.

Speaker 3 (56:08):
T dah.

Speaker 1 (56:08):
He did it, right, I mean, that's that he did it,
and that's what he would Congratulations, you played the game, well,
you played the Mets. You played a guy who was
your only guy. You played your friend or your your
your mentor you know. I don't I don't think do
you think he's okay with it? Because Mendoza was the
guy he wanted. No, I don't. I don't think they'll

(56:30):
engage Craig Counsel again. I look at it, McDaniel's situation
with the Colts. Yeah, no, I look at I'm just kidding.
He's obviously a much better manager of people. McDaniels ever,
was no to be honest, because the guy that you
should everybody should be mad at the most because I look,
Craig Counts want to I don't care. Go go good
luck with the Cubs, man, good luck, good luck, and
see how that goes for you. Uh, Like I said,

(56:51):
maybe Carlos Mendoza works, maybe he doesn't. Right, But Steve Adanacio,
the owner of the Brewers, you have now let a
guy who was widely perceived as one of the top
two or three executives in Major League Baseball leave. You
let David Sterns leave. You have not let a guy
who is widely respected as one of the top two

(57:12):
or three managers in Major League Baseball leave. When the
money to pay these guys is not like, hey, you
got to give five hundred million dollars to show Hey,
Tony Greig Council is getting paid eight million dollars a year.
That's eight million that's nothing. That's one year for a
middle reliever. It's it. And this is your manager. What
are you what are you gonna pay your print ten
million dollars a year?

Speaker 2 (57:31):
Now?

Speaker 1 (57:31):
I can't do that. I mean, come on, Matt, really,
you're gonna let those guys walk and and not No,
I'm not gonna pay those guys when you are you
are having in the middle of a run where your
team is a is a small market, but you're in
close to the playoffs every year. This is where maybe
you get a false sense of oh we can we
can compete. Doesn't matter who we lose, We're gonna compete
every year, watch and see what happens. That would be

(57:54):
where gil Brandt would say, what's your system? What's if
you have a system,