Best of the Jason Smith Show with Mike Harmon

Jason and Mike react to the Feds investigation charging Shohei Ohtani's interpreter with stealing more than $16M.  OJ Simpson is dead at 76. And the guys tell you how badly Kentucky has biffed their coaching search. Plus, Tom Brady says he wouldn’t be opposed to coming back if a team calls!

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Speaker 4 (00:55):
The only thing in the news was adjudicated long ago.

Speaker 5 (00:58):
That's enough. That's enough.

Speaker 6 (01:02):
Before I sentence you, Jason L. Smith, and you Mike L.
Harmon for your corrupt, evil, haneous, downright villainous crime.

Speaker 5 (01:13):
What kind of crime?

Speaker 4 (01:15):
What the hell is Haines?

Speaker 5 (01:16):
Now is the time.

Speaker 6 (01:17):
I highly recommend you two's show remorse and apologizes to
for your monstrous, barbaric actions. Is there anything you'd like
to say to the innocent faultless, blameless in the clear,
not guilty, honest, law abiding, not guilty, sinless, not guilty, righteous?

Speaker 4 (01:43):
Show Heyo Tani, how long did you take you to
write that?

Speaker 1 (01:48):
Well, it was it was not guilty about seventeen different times.

Speaker 4 (01:51):
That's all right.

Speaker 5 (01:52):
He wanted to circle back very very fastest, very heneously.
Apparently Hank Haney is involved in this, you know, his
master's weekend. It is his time to shine. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:06):
Show heo Tani looks like he didn't gamble. Show how
Tani looks like he got taken advantage of Show how
Tani looks like he had a really bad interpreter. Show
Heo Tani looks like he had an interpreter who maybe
the worst gambler in the history of the world.

Speaker 5 (02:29):
There's still a lot of questions. It's worse, even worse
than owing four million. Wait, I'm sixteen million dollars in debt. No,
but that's the thing though. Let's still go through the money,
the amount of bets and the amount of you know,
wins slash losses. There's still a giant gap beyond sixteen millions.

Speaker 4 (02:50):
Didn't make that much money.

Speaker 5 (02:53):
I still have lots of questions. You know, It's like
the end of Ocean's eleven, you know, the it's just ds,
you know, hookers, Like what happened to all that money?
I don't understand. Well yeah, yeah, certainly today.

Speaker 1 (03:09):
Okay, so you know, I'm like, okay, what are we
gonna We're gonna got oj We got the Knicks, we
have the we have the Mets, we have so many things.
But yeah, the Otani story is unbelievably huge. As it
turns out, federal investigators are close to finishing their investigation
into Otani and his role and and Ipe Masuhar, his

(03:30):
former interpreter's role in the gambling scandal that has engulfed
him in Major League Baseball, and the federal invent This
is not baseball invest This is a baseball investigation. I
would go, yeah, right, whatever, but this is a federal investigation.
And everything we've seen that came out today was Epei
took the money. Epe was the guy. He impersonated Otani

(03:50):
on phone calls. A couple of times. I have text messages.

Speaker 5 (03:53):
So yeah, I feel I feel pretty I feel pretty uh.

Speaker 1 (03:58):
Confident in saying I don't think this anything's gonna blow
back on shoe Aotani. In fact, I'll tell you this,
since it seems like this is steaming towards a conclusion. Right,
the federal investigation is here. Whatever you want to question
with an investigator, there's always gonna be people that say.

Speaker 5 (04:13):
Well, are they looking into this and looking at what
about this? What about this?

Speaker 1 (04:16):
Again, this is a federal investigation. This is not it's
not the it's not the it's not their job to say,
we got to make sure baseball is good enough. There
was long time corruption and it involved Otani, and it
was easy to prove.

Speaker 5 (04:30):
Yeah, they would have it.

Speaker 1 (04:31):
This again, it's not a baseball investigation, which would just
be a couple of questions and it would be rubber
stamped and moved on. I feel pretty strong and that
this is gonna end, and it's gonna end with Epei
Masuhara paying all the the damages and he's gonna pay
the price for whatever his sentence is gonna be. But
you look at all the evidence that the Feds have,

(04:51):
it's like, look, we have wiretaps, we have text matches,
we have him pretending to be Otani, We have money
taken away, and a lot of rich people will tell
you yes. Unfortunately, it's pretty easy to find people losing
money when you have a lot of money. If you
have a lot of money, it's easy people to steal
a decent amount of it. See, sixteen millions is a
lot of money. Sixteen million dollars is a lot of
money for you and I and for most everybody. But

(05:12):
for a guy making money like Otani, if slowly someone
else is in charge of your money, and and you
don't have a big inner circle that helps you out
with a lot of stuff.

Speaker 5 (05:20):
Yeah, you can.

Speaker 1 (05:21):
You can misplace, you can lose four eight twelve sixteen million.
The big thing is the amount of money. You know,
we thought it was four and a half million that
supposedly that Ipe took from from show Hey to pay
these gambling that's now it's up to sixteen million. Yeah,
but like I said, sixteen million.

Speaker 5 (05:37):
From the math that came out of this thing, there's
still a negative forty point six seven eight million dollars
in terms of his what he lost, what he won,
and net loss over forty million, So where's the other
twenty four? That's what unless was he's that but he

(05:59):
was that independently wealthy before he started and then then
started siphoning off of show A.

Speaker 4 (06:05):
So like that match still doesn't make sense.

Speaker 1 (06:07):
Can you do gambler rankings? And would he be like
worse gamblers? Would he be at the top?

Speaker 4 (06:12):
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (06:12):
He got to gamble nearly three hundred and twenty million dollars. Yeah,
but he lost it.

Speaker 1 (06:17):
All, well not all, he lost enough that he's gonna
go to prison.

Speaker 4 (06:22):
Well that wasn't his money.

Speaker 5 (06:23):
No, no, no, that's his money, Like it wasn't his money.
That's why he's going to prison. But he still lost it.
But if it was his money but he doesn't have it,
then everybody would have just gone. He does, but he
doesn't have the money. He doesn't have the money.

Speaker 4 (06:37):
Yeah, but again, explain to me.

Speaker 5 (06:38):
He lost it all.

Speaker 4 (06:39):
The other twe like, they're like, he's stole sixteen from him.

Speaker 5 (06:42):
He lost it all. So you're telling me he earned
the other twenty four. Maybe he siphoned that off of
or he marked number two which is as yet unnamed.
He won for a little while and then lost it all. Yeah,
legitimately is there Mark number two ready to go just better?
I had victim one victorm to the fact that Otani
at some point this guy saw him out walking his dog.

Speaker 4 (07:04):
He could have taken him out.

Speaker 5 (07:06):
Look, he probably just kept betting the Mets last year
and kept losing money. And the other thing, there's no
evidence in baseball. He's betting college soccer. Yeah, he's bet
three hundred and twenty million dollars. Yeah, usually people and
it's like there's no evidence in baseball at all.

Speaker 1 (07:19):
People want to lose that kind of money back in
the Jets. I love that I'm betting on everything. I'm
screwing over my best friend, but I will not ruin
the sanctity of Major League Baseball. But look at everything
we've seen, and I look, I'll tell you because this
is reality now, where this is where what you think
of Otani and Epay and everything going on, the reality

(07:41):
is you look at the evidence that the Feds have
been have come forth with and these are a fourth
width and it's all implicating Epay. And it's Epay's own
word saying I did it. I'm gonna probably wind up
getting busted for this. Whatever it is that was a.

Speaker 4 (07:56):
Great quote too, by the way, not like you stole it.

Speaker 5 (07:58):
Yeah technically technically I technically I kind of did. Techn
you I kind of stole the money. Yeah technically I did. Yeah, Yeah,
technically I did.

Speaker 1 (08:06):
Unlike in Ocean's thirteen, where yeah, technically they stole the money,
but only because Pacino stole it, you know.

Speaker 5 (08:13):
And to begin with, well this Billy Martin, where I
get a chance to give it back? What's it?

Speaker 1 (08:18):
But seeing how this goes, this is now getting towards
a conclusion where he pays the guy. He's capone, right,
he's the guy. He did all of it, all the
evidence we've seen, all the evidence that has come out
saying this is not Hey, we have circumstantial stuff, we
have texts, we have him on audience. I mean, just
the fact him impersonating Otani to get money, I mean

(08:42):
that's insane.

Speaker 5 (08:42):
He did that.

Speaker 1 (08:43):
He did that on at least one phone call. But
so how is this going to end?

Speaker 5 (08:47):
Now?

Speaker 1 (08:47):
This was a scandal that was enveloping baseball, and now
you can see look and and with the federal investigation
focusing on epay and this, this is what it's going
to wind up being. Baseball is gonna have every quick
investigation as well, you know Rob Manford. Now, oh, hey, well,
the FEDS just gave me the green light to do
whatever I want. This is gonna be open and shut,
and I guarantee you there's gonna be nothing for no

(09:09):
penalty for Otani. And by the time we get to
the beginning of June, this will be a forgotten storyline
and we won't even pay attention to it the rest.
It won't even be a story the rest of the year. Yeah,
poor Otani, he got taken by his interpreter and it's
not even gonna be something we talk about like that.
That's how fast this thing is gonna wind up being solved.
This lightning speed apparently. Now, boy, I wish all cases

(09:32):
could be adjudicated like this sudden. We have lightning speed
for Otani. Other things are taking forever and and you
can you can delay, and you always see on all
the TV shows. I'm gonna blind you with paperwork and
a delay tactic. We won't start this trial till twenty
twenty eight. Oh how can they do this? But yet
this hey, this investigation is going like gangbusters, man, So
it's gonna end fast. I'm telling you by the beginning
of May. We won't even talk about We'll get to

(09:54):
the middle part of the season.

Speaker 5 (09:55):
Goo boy.

Speaker 1 (09:56):
Remember with that gambling scandal beginning of the Mber, that
was a big deal for a couple of weeks.

Speaker 5 (10:00):
We don't even talk about it. A big deal for
a couple of weeks. It was a big deal for
about forty eight hours. Then the season began in earnest
and was like, all right, we'll wait and see and
then Tuna within three weeks is done just that fast.
It's going to be done that fast. No, I love
the uh. The quote that we alluded to before was
was pretty good. It's all bs. Obviously you didn't steal

(10:23):
from him. I understand it's a cover job. I totally
get it. Well, technically I did steal from him. It's
all over for me. Okay, well it technically if you
really want to boil it down to brass tacks, yes,
I did steal from No, I did steal. He also
bought a thousand baseball cards, reportedly worth three hundred and

(10:44):
twenty five thousand dollars. Would love to see the enumeration
of what those were. I mean, I'm curious on that.
I also want to know he bought a lot of
O to b McDowell, rookie we have they said he
bought a lot of show haze and a lot of
a lot of our our man Juan Soto. Evidently those
are the two guys. And there are some accounts that

(11:05):
are saying, yeah, I actually have receipts from my eBay
account from you know what they said the handle was.
So they're they're going back and bit by bit that'll
be pieced together of which.

Speaker 4 (11:16):
What's the handle I'm really show hey, trust me, that's
the handle?

Speaker 5 (11:19):
Well that was the show hey was parenthetical, but like
there's look in the end they decided it's done.

Speaker 4 (11:27):
I think we're still all think we as reasonable people.

Speaker 5 (11:30):
There's still questions and just saying, well, here's a bunch
of athletes, here's a bunch of musicians that watch their
their money go go down the drain. There's a couple
of things, right. There's institutional like where it's you just
had some bad money management. There's middle management looking the

(11:50):
other way, and there's people that are outright thieving from you.
This was outright theft. But you would think and again
this is my my naivete And evidently Otani's is that
with all that money, there were layers of security, things
other than I'm able to tell the bank that I'm
showing at past that everything. Yeah, and then when nobody

(12:14):
else in the.

Speaker 4 (12:15):
Checks and balances when you're filing taxes.

Speaker 1 (12:17):
Because apparently, and this is the deal is why, This
is why athletes and entertaining people have a lot of
money have a lot of people working for them, because
you get more checks and balances where you have more
Otani circle is so tight, like it was him and
eBay everywhere they went.

Speaker 5 (12:33):
And they convinced the the agent. You know, and there's
only a couple of peoples, it's easier to pull something. Look,
you can always pull scam up.

Speaker 1 (12:40):
It's always easy to pull something off the fewer people
who know about, fewer people involved. And is Otani someone
that has all the businessmen that that stars, No, he doesn't.
He's got a very small inner circle. We don't hear
a lot about him. This is why. But this is
one of the things that can happen. You trust the
wrong person. If there's three people in charge of your career,
one of the corrupt, Hey, guess what, Look, what can

(13:01):
happen to you? Like This is why people have more
than I have a I have a banker, I have
a manager of an agent. I have this, I get
all these checks and balance here because if something happens,
somebody's going to be able to find or say something
at some point when you only have a couple of people,
this is what can happen.

Speaker 5 (13:14):
By the way, the agent he needs to go too though,
right because of the brokering, that conversation with the ESPN
and all that. Oh, we thought we could handle this
without without show having to know. No, just let him
play the game.

Speaker 1 (13:29):
He's got a big game today.

Speaker 4 (13:32):
Bames in Korea worry about take care to worry about it.

Speaker 1 (13:35):
But I mean, look, but you when you see the
US attorney, Martin Estrada say, I want to emphasize this point.
Mister Otani is a victim in this case, and that
there is no evidence Otani had any knowledge of miss
O'Hara's gambling activities use of his bank account. Investigators come
through years of text messages between the two and found

(13:55):
no discussion of gambling. When When when the US attorney
in charge of the case stands up in front of
a lot of cameras and says, hey, this is what
we found. This is this is where I say, Okay,
I feel pretty good that they got the right guy.

Speaker 5 (14:09):
They did the right thing, because that's this guy's career.
Don't forget this guy likes to.

Speaker 1 (14:13):
Be us district attorney and say, hey, because if he
winds up screwing it, guess guess who loses his job?
He does, So you know, he's got a lot to lose.
And suddenly, hey, this is a broad brush case and
we're just gonna say we're finished. I mean, I feel
pretty confident that they found with them need to find him.

Speaker 5 (14:27):
But again, it still goes back to some of the
questions this guy made nineteen thousand bets. He was supposedly
his right hand man with him all the time, and
they never discussed Betty, and he knew nothing of the
dude's betty.

Speaker 1 (14:38):
And what do you think of North Carolina and Vanderbilt?
Are you watching college women soccer?

Speaker 5 (14:44):
What do you think of that?

Speaker 7 (14:45):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (14:45):
Vanderbilt, Yes, can be ten grand on Vanderbilt right there.

Speaker 5 (14:48):
If he was talking about twenty four to seven soccer covers,
like all of those things, like those weren't red flats.
Oh my guy just loves sports, sports sports.

Speaker 6 (14:57):
We're gonna find out that Harmon lost every bit on
those show. Hey, cards to Epache every.

Speaker 5 (15:02):
Time I got out. He frauded ouid by that guy
every single time.

Speaker 1 (15:07):
But yeah, but watch watch out. This is ending at
a frighteningly fast paced and by the time we get.

Speaker 5 (15:13):
To May, we won't even remember the story. I remember
that happened to me. We'll forget about it really quickly.

Speaker 1 (15:17):
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But straight ahead, yeah, we'll get into what happened today. O. J.
Simpson dying at the age of seventy six, and oh boy,
do we have a conversation that's next right here Jason

(15:39):
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Speaker 5 (16:56):
Stop. This is a great song.

Speaker 1 (16:57):
Although I gotta be honest with you, the acoustic version
that they is as good as this song is. The
acoustic version that Dave Grohl did of this, I think
it was on Howard Stern like fifteen years ago, is
incredibly insanely good. I don't know you said that version
Fears one was good.

Speaker 5 (17:14):
That was not that great. It was great. The kid
played all the The kid played all the instruments and
the vocals on the guitar.

Speaker 4 (17:21):
Yeah, but was he better than DeMarcus Ware singing it?

Speaker 5 (17:25):
No, you don't even know who DeMarcus Ware is.

Speaker 4 (17:28):
I do now because of Harmon. What sport does he play?

Speaker 5 (17:30):
Baseball? Yeah? It's very good? And right now, what team
was he played for? Cowboys? Yes?

Speaker 4 (17:36):
Very good?

Speaker 5 (17:36):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, very good? What position does he play?

Speaker 6 (17:39):
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Speaker 5 (17:39):
Picture?

Speaker 2 (17:40):
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we will get to the unbelievable day. It was for
the Knicks and the Mets. I don't know who had
the better day, but obviously today's a day everybody woke
up and saw the same big news.

Speaker 1 (18:18):
OJ Simpson dies at the age of seventy six. His
family puts out a statement that he'd been suffering from cancer.
This was an early morning story that I am sure
every single person in the world has talked about. And
you know, the weird thing is this is that my family,

(18:42):
my friends who've known me for so long know that
it just so happened. My heyday at ESPN when I
was in production was all around the OJ trial and
we covered it every day. I worked on it every day,
and it was a I mean, it was a story
that dominated the news for well over a year. Was
it was insane, So I got to see a lot

(19:04):
of things. Now, certainly it was a long time ago,
but it's still a storyline that everybody knows. Like Zoe
came home today, from school, say, everybody's talking about O. J.
Simpson and all these things. Yes, yes, yes, And you know,
like like a couple of said, how do you feel like?
What what are you gonna talk about? How do you
feel like? What are you gonna say on the show tonight?
And I said, you know, the first thing I'm gonna
say is this. My reaction to this is I really

(19:25):
I have no reaction. He was a great football player
who got acquitted of murder of his wife and her
friend despite incredible evidence that showed you that he did.
He wrote a book saying if I did it, this
is how I did it. Live on the civil judgment.

Speaker 5 (19:43):
He's dead. That's really That's really all all I have
on it.

Speaker 1 (19:47):
That's where when when it comes to him dying, like, Okay,
he died, I don't really have a reaction to it.
It's because, you know why, because there's no there's no positivity,
there's no good.

Speaker 5 (19:59):
That come out of any of this.

Speaker 1 (20:01):
We had a storyline where he was one of America's
great personalities, great football player, had an acting career, broadcasting career,
was in commercials, and then you had the death of
his wife and her friend, and you saw that there's
DNA evidence, and there was all kinds of things implicating him,

(20:21):
and it was a slam dunk case and somehow he
wound up getting acquitted. And it's just and what went
on after you saw that he was still that kind
of guy, wound up going to prison for a memorabilia
theft ring theft that that went on that he tried
to steal back stuff of his No good comes of
this story. Nobody gets any peace. You know, there's no

(20:42):
peace for even the Cole Brown Simpson's family, Ronald Goldman's family,
there's no peace for anybody else. There's no piece for
people who years away go oh wow, what did the
jury do in that situation. There's no there's no positive
you know, he's gone and he's dead and everybody has
their opinions and there's no well there's peace here, There's
there's there's some kind of thing. There's nothing. So when

(21:05):
it comes to when it comes to that part of it,
I mean there's a lot of conversation to be had
about this. When it comes to my reaction, I was like, boy,
he died. I was I wasn't jumping around doing cartwheels.
I wasn't sitting around going oh, wow, what a great
what a great football player he was. No, it's just
because of what happened. Because of this, I just don't
have a reaction when when when something bad happens and
someone goes unpunished for it and they die or something,

(21:29):
I don't really have a reaction to it because it's Okay,
it happened, and we'll talk about it today and then
we're going to be on to other things.

Speaker 5 (21:35):
Yeah. For me, it became the discussion of really what
that trial, the Chase and everything begat in our society
more so than the case itself. And you know, at
the base of it, you had too savage, inhumane, horrendous

(21:59):
losses life right, and a lot of theories of accomplices
and all of those other things. And people can go
down into their true crime podcasts and run and run
them up with that.

Speaker 6 (22:11):
You know.

Speaker 5 (22:12):
My kids both asked me because they saw the headlines,
like what do you remember. I'm like, I remember all
all of this stuff, right, I mean it was and
it's been chronicled. I mean, hell in their timelines that
the Shrek to Chase right where he's on he's in
human form and now he's he's on a bronco and
they're chasing him through the woods and whatever. Like all

(22:33):
of it. It made it into the cartoons, It made
it into so many pieces of pop culture. Uh, and
begat the Kardashians, which is a whole other sure, sure,
whole other thing. Sure right, whether you like fake asses
or not. I mean you can blame him for that too.

Speaker 1 (22:50):
David Swimmer played Robert Cardew yes he did. Ross played
Robert Cardin.

Speaker 4 (22:54):
And Kuba Gooding Junior the Yeah, it's going to be
your strategy.

Speaker 5 (22:58):
I'm gonna say, we were on a break. We were
on a break, Okay.

Speaker 4 (23:04):
Had to go down that road.

Speaker 5 (23:05):
But like the industry reaction is like and then I
started getting texts like my brothers and other people and
you know, within minutes, and I said it to you guys,
because it was one of the first things that I
thought of, how much every week, no matter what, Norah
McDonald was going to use that.

Speaker 6 (23:24):
As his.

Speaker 5 (23:27):
Basic tenant for every weekend update that he did, no
matter what else was going on in the world, it
was going to.

Speaker 4 (23:33):
Be all about the trial till fired him.

Speaker 5 (23:35):
Well, and then eventually and then he had his There
was an eleven minute super cut there were all around, so,
you know, just the fact that it took over in
so many different ways, and all these years later, there's
still all these theories and whatever else. And as you said,

(23:57):
nobody's getting any peace off it, right, you know, there
was no restitution made, no admittance, no trying to find
peace at any of that. They're saying that family member's
friends made their way to visit before he passed, and
whatever it is. I don't I don't know those family relations,
but I've certainly seen a lot more coming out of

(24:19):
people who are under NDA's and their stories of what
they knew about some really horrid, terrible things that weren't
part of this case, right, that weren't part of the
record as related to you know there, So it's now

(24:39):
an ever evolving story because again, anything that was under
those doesn't survive death, right, if we know anything from
our law and orders and all the you know, even
probably watching that David Schwimmer led vehicle that you know,
it doesn't survive death. So a lot more of those
stories and those realities, these and the grizzly details will

(25:02):
become public and probably you know, anybody that might have
still been on the fence I got. I gotta guess
the preponderance of evidence and the weight is starting to
push the the scale there in one direction.

Speaker 1 (25:14):
I got to tell you two things. The two big
things coming out of this case that I learned. For
the first when I'm in my early to mid twenties
is that the first one I know is that if
you have the better lawyers, even if you don't have
a great case, you can still beat the other team
if they don't have as good.

Speaker 5 (25:32):
As you say, if they had contacted me first, that
probably would have been on the other side. Yeah, I
mean when you have the better lawyers, because like the
famous quote from Robert Shapiro, not only did we play
the race card to try to win this, but we
dealt it from the bottom of the day, sure right,
and timpering with the crime scena also helped well. That well,
that that get that gets the big part of it
is that I realized two think.

Speaker 1 (25:53):
I realized that the better lawyers can win even if
they don't have the they don't have the facts, if
they don't have they don't have the case, they can
still win. And that a jury can decide whatever they
want to regardless as to what they see sure, because
look you you think about now that the two biggest
and one thing I remember, you know back in that
case covering it every day, is how big a deal

(26:13):
they spent on the DNA evidence. This is ninety nine
and forty four one hundreds per This is we felt
his DNA is here in this plot.

Speaker 5 (26:22):
But the science was so new it was easy for
the defense.

Speaker 1 (26:26):
Divan, we're supposed to believe this, none of us really
understand Whereas no matter what the case was now, if
this case happened now, no matter what you felt about
about OJ Simpson, everything else would be be impossible to
let the guy go because the forensic evidence is indisputable.
Right this We solve cold cases now from forty years
ago because of DNA evidence, but because it was so
new then it was able to be discounted by the

(26:48):
jury and don't put and this is something that's real
because I had just moved to LA when this was
going on, And when I think about the jury not
convicting O. J. Simpson, I feel like a lot of
it had to do with what did we just see
a couple of years before was the Rodney King verdict, right,
which was awful? Right, you watched Rodney King get beaten

(27:08):
to a pulp by a bunch of bad cops and
what happens They all wind up getting acquitted, and the
riots across the city were insane. So you know that's
in the back of jurors minds and people's minds. Hey,
whatever this result is gonna be, are we gonna wind
up seeing are we gonna see stuff?

Speaker 5 (27:24):
Were gonna see it?

Speaker 1 (27:25):
And so I wonder and this is this is me
playing amateur psychology, thinking about the jury seeing all this
evidence and still acquitting O. J.

Speaker 5 (27:31):
Simpson.

Speaker 1 (27:32):
Is that I wonder how much in their mind was Boy,
our city, we don't want this city to have this
happen again. And but boy, there's really nowhere to go.
How can we let him go? How can we not
convict him? Because look at this preponderance of evidence, And
then the Mark Furman stuff came out and then that's
when Robin Drie dealt the race card from the bottom
of the deck and you see Mark Furman and everything

(27:52):
that went bad, and how and how bad that was
and how bad they screwed up, and you had a
lot of racial mistrust there. And that's where I think
the juror was able to say, Okay, you've given it
to us. You've given us the out for us to
not convict O. J. Simpson of this, and and and
and have it on the heels of what happened to
Rodney King. Obviously two different cases, but you're talking about

(28:14):
a city that burned and then is this gonna happen again?
Because suddenly how big a deal that was? But the
Mark Furman stuff, I think that was for the jury.
That was where they say, okay, now you've given us
an okay out for us to say, yeah, we can
acquit him, because the other stuff was all comical. We
can't fit the You're gonna let him try the glove
on and pretend that he can't put it on.

Speaker 5 (28:31):
Really, like, what kind of lawyers? I mean?

Speaker 4 (28:33):
You look at like Marsha Cross and Marsha Cross Garden.

Speaker 1 (28:37):
If I was talking about Melrose Place, it would be
markin well it is coming back, it is, yes, but
she's not.

Speaker 4 (28:41):
Not attached as yet.

Speaker 5 (28:43):
As I sit here and go, how are you you missed?

Speaker 1 (28:46):
You blew the biggest slam dunk case in the history
of of of of law, and and you're writing books
and being famous about this, Like how did you allow
all these things to happen? And it's like they never
thought they were gonna lose. But once once that happened,
once Mark Furman came out and you saw all the
racism that was out there, you saw everything else, and
then you knew, Okay, that's what it's gonna that's how

(29:07):
that's how it's going to be, because that was just
all that was such an awful look for the l
A p D and everything else, and you cringe thinking that, boy,
this is this, this is these are the institutions that
we expect to protect us. And these are the last
two openings we have gotten into what's going on here.
And and you know, I think that was a big
part of why oj was able to go free. No

(29:28):
matter what you see, you know, jurors are gonna say, okay, no,
this is what I choose to believe. This is what
I choose to believe the most, what I choose to
believe here, and that's why he was not guilty. But
all that being said, if this trial happened now that
DNA evidence.

Speaker 5 (29:41):
It would be what can we do?

Speaker 1 (29:42):
We have the we have we have the evidence from
his car into her house, We got a bloody footprint.
We had all these different things and because it was
screwed up so much, and Shapiro put that on display,
this is why we had the outcome we did.

Speaker 2 (29:54):
No, this is it.

Speaker 5 (29:55):
You know, you go back and talk about the all
star defense squad that you put together. It's been well chronicled,
and you know, the the television dramas and so many
other breakdowns. It begat all of these law shows right
where you had, well, let's bring in our expert to
talk about what we heard. Court TV and everything else
flows out of it and it became a cottage industry.

(30:18):
But I remember, you know, being in Chicago and it
was everything everybody was talking about, but expecting with the
same trepidation as you had here in La of well
what happens, what happens when the verdict gets ready? Calls
from I remember my mom, it's like just make sure

(30:38):
you're home, just don't don't be out whatever, like just
fear that the city would be engulfed in flames.

Speaker 4 (30:45):
And you know we saw it. How many times did
we chronicle it?

Speaker 5 (30:48):
A couple of years ago here on air at Fox
Sports Radio as cities burned across America. You know, it's
it's something that you know, you don't forget seeing that,
and certainly in LA that was so recent and where
a lot of that stuff hadn't even been close to
being rebuilt at that point.

Speaker 9 (31:06):
The most popular Halloween mass this year is oj Simpson
and the most popular Halloween greeting is I'll kill.

Speaker 1 (31:13):
You Norm McDonald, Lord Donald making a cottage industry out
of that, or treat The Jason Smith Show with Mike
Carmen Live from the Tyrack dot Com students. We'll have
more and ojh coming up, because again, there's so many
fascinating things to get into about this the impact it's
had on the country. But hey, we talked about earlier
in the show. Steve de Sager is going to tell
us what's trending right now. We thought four four and

(31:37):
a half was a big number. Then earlier today when
we heard sixteen, I think they took a lot of
people by surprise in Major League Baseball. But Steve's got
all the details now the Mets scoring sixteen runs against
the Braves today And oh, by the way, whatever happened
with the epe and show.

Speaker 5 (31:54):
Hey, but the Mets had sixteen runs today, STEVO.

Speaker 9 (31:56):
Oh, no federal Authority's a cute show. Hey, Tony's four,
i'mern interpreter of bank fraud, saying he stole more than
sixteen million dollars from Otani over two years ibe Mizuhara
was trying to pay off gambling debts to an illegal sportsbook.
There is no evidence Otani had any knowledge of any
of this. Bank records show the phone number and email
on Otani's account were changed to Mizuhara in late twenty

(32:20):
twenty one, but winnings went to Mizuhara's account. The Mets
today won sixteen to four and Atlanta Mets led seven
to nothing in the third inning. The Royals won their
seventh straight game, thirteen to three over Houston. Kansas City
scored nine times in the first. Oakland got a one
nothing win at Texas. The Rangers were held to one
hit rainouts at Detroit and at Cincinnati. Philadelphia five to

(32:42):
one over Pittsburgh tonight. The Pirates had entered with a
record of nine to three, and Baltimore in ten innings,
has won at Boston nine to four. The Orioles hit
four home runs in this one. Bryson Deshambo leads the
Masters by one stroke after a first round sixty five,
Tiger Woods is tied for seventeenth one under par through
thirteen holes. Rain delayed the start of the first round

(33:03):
this morning. Yes Oj Simpson passed away at the age
of seventy six of prostate cancer. He died yesterday in
Las Vegas. Chiefs receiver Rashi Rice has surrendered to authorities
in Dallas. He faces felony charges in the aftermath of
a street race that sparked a six car accident, and
WFAA says Rice has been booked and released on bond,

(33:26):
and SMU suspended defensive back Teddy Knox for his alleged
role in this multi car crash. Kentucky is reportedly targeting
BYU basketball coach Mark Pope for their job. Minnesota in
the NBA should have Carl Anthony townsback before the regular
season ends on Sunday. Reportedly he could return tomorrow from
his knee injury. Brandon Ingram of New Orleans could return

(33:49):
on Sunday. New Orleans Pelicans have one of the late
games tonight. They got out to Elite at Sacramento of
thirty four to eleven late in the first quarter. It's
now Pelicans forty one twenty six early in the second.
Late in the third, Houston tied at Utah eighty nine apiece.
Golden State has a game going right now, leading twenty
four to twenty two at Portland. That's early second quarter.

(34:11):
Chicago won at Detroit, won twenty seven to one oh
five to mar DeRozan thirty nine points. New York won
at Boston won eighteen one oh nine Jalen Brunson thirty
nine points. Among the ten NHL games, Florida four nothing
over Columbus, the Winnipeg is three nothing winner at Dallas.

Speaker 5 (34:27):
Back to you, thanks Steve O.

Speaker 1 (34:29):
The Jason Smith Show with my best friend Mike Harmon
Lve from the tyrack dot Com studios.

Speaker 5 (34:34):
Well, we will have more on Oj coming up straight ahead.

Speaker 1 (34:37):
It looks like we may have an answer as to
who the next head coach of Kentucky might be. Ste
Oj is not going to be the next head coach
of Kentucky.

Speaker 5 (34:46):
No, but he did it.

Speaker 3 (34:46):
He is not.

Speaker 4 (34:48):
That's coming up next right here, Jason and Mike Fox.

Speaker 2 (34:52):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Jason Smith
Show with Mike Harmon weekdays at ten pm Eastern, seven
pm Pacific.

Speaker 7 (35:00):
You know me.

Speaker 1 (35:00):
Mike Harmon, I hate to say I told you so.
Welcome to your life The Jason Smith Show with Mike Harmon.
We got more I know Jay coming up in a
few minutes, but it Yes, but it looks like Kentucky
has zeroed in on who their next head coach is
going to be. Yes, after today we find out Scott
Drew said thanks, but no thanks, I'm gonna stay at Baylor.

Speaker 4 (35:23):
They are a lot of wako jokes that too.

Speaker 1 (35:26):
Well, I'll tell you what. I'm sure he went to
La Casita for lunch yesterday and whatever the dude that
was in the.

Speaker 4 (35:31):
Bank at a ice big check dump drug full of.

Speaker 5 (35:34):
Money instead of here, we're all good, you're staying right.

Speaker 4 (35:37):
Okay, this is now your casino. Here are the keys.

Speaker 5 (35:40):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (35:41):
It looks like their man is b YU head coach.
No Mark Pope, close close Mark Pope. So TJ if
we see white smoke come up out of Kentucky will know.

Speaker 5 (35:54):
That Pope is the new head coach. TJ. Uh, just
for a second, because this is where we talked about
this the other night.

Speaker 1 (36:03):
I don't know, I don't know how it makes me
think I know how to run a coaching search better
than Kentucky and Mitch Barnhart the ad. But you go
from all the best top guys say no, after the
one guy you really want says no.

Speaker 5 (36:17):
Then you go to Danny Hurley and say, hey, maybe
and he says no. Screw the guy. The guy has said.

Speaker 1 (36:22):
The guy just went back to back national titles, and
he's not the first guy you asked.

Speaker 5 (36:25):
I would say no just because you asked me second.

Speaker 1 (36:28):
Not that I think he's a great fit in Kentucky,
because yeah, boy, the guy can be a bit abrasive,
but it works at you come, but you're.

Speaker 5 (36:34):
Gonna ask him second? Really, But I think I think
they had to go back to him after he made
it very public of you know how much he liked
it when he was asked the question, right, They didn't
say it specifically, but talking about the landscape and looking
out there and he said, you know, you got to
talk to my wife, right, made it so it's like, well,

(36:54):
we got to we gotta make that phone call.

Speaker 4 (36:56):
Now that at least the story's at at least call
the way he said that he's.

Speaker 5 (37:00):
Answering questions Monday night after they won the national championship and.

Speaker 1 (37:04):
They go, yeah, you're the third guy. We're gonna don't worry, Danny,
we'll get to you. Come on, I mean I could
run a better, a better search than this. So now
you're down to Mark Pope, right, who has not because
you're upset that John Calipari has not been taking you
far enough from the NCAA tournament. So you're gonna replace
him with a guy who's never won an NCAA tournament
game as a head coach.

Speaker 5 (37:25):
Well, schedule if he got his first to Kentucky, but
just think about that for a second.

Speaker 1 (37:31):
You're upset to the guy that's won a national championship
and been to Final four. It's not taking you far enough,
so you're gonna replace him with a guy who has
not won an NCAA tournament game as a head coach.

Speaker 5 (37:42):
Yeah, that's that. Just think of Let that sink in.
He's never lost more than fifteen games in as at BYU.

Speaker 1 (37:48):
Oh good, so when they go sixteen and fifteen next year,
they'll be okay, a couple of eleven loss so seasons
in there. But you know, let let that sink in
because this goes back to what did we say the
other I get that you're frustrated with Cali Perry and
wild Cat Nation. We need somebody new. Maybe if we
get somebody new to come in, the nil purse strings

(38:08):
will open up again. Cala Peri's run its course. And
you know they were okay with him leaving for Arkansas
because they put up no fight and it was yes,
we're ready to move on. But I go back to
this and I say, who are you gonna get that's
better than Cali Parry?

Speaker 5 (38:23):
Who are you gonna get?

Speaker 1 (38:24):
Tell me the guy out there that not only is
gonna continue to win in the SEC, but get you
to Final Force.

Speaker 5 (38:29):
Cali Parry's not that guy anymore. Who's the guy out
there better? Fran Brown?

Speaker 1 (38:33):
You're now going stop. He's gonna be coaching in the
playoff next year for Syracuse, and when Syracuse plays Ohio,
say for the national title, we'll talk to him about it.
Then you're going for a guy again who's never won
an nca tournament game that you're expecting to build up.

Speaker 6 (38:45):
Now.

Speaker 5 (38:45):
He built a great program at BYU. I'm not saying
he hasn't.

Speaker 1 (38:47):
Hes built a pretty good program there, but you're talking
about we need a guy elite to get us to
final fours and a guy that's not final four, not
to be sixteen, hasn't went again.

Speaker 5 (38:56):
He's the guy. You have biffed this from the beginning,
because yes, you're ready to push him out, but who
was the guy? You need to say?

Speaker 1 (39:03):
If we're pushing Caliperr out, our next guy is ready
to come in. And this is the danger. This is
what happens to programs and how they wind up circling
the drain and a once proud Kentucky team, which is
the number one job in college basketball. This is how
you turn into an eighteen and fifteen team going to
the n and you go, what happened to us? We're
Kentucky basketball. This is how it happens. This is how

(39:25):
it happens.

Speaker 5 (39:26):
You know how you fix this? How do you fix it?
You hit the music.

Speaker 10 (39:31):
Here he is, Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back, all time great,
one of the greatest coaches we've ever seen in the
collegiate ranks.

Speaker 5 (39:42):
Ladies and gentlemen, it's Rick Potato. No, come on, come on,
hey man. If Russell Maani has to bring back Sina
and the Undertaker, no knock now, we can turn back
to clock and way back Potato. He got the job
with Iona and he said that was his last job,
and then he left and went to Saint John's.

Speaker 1 (40:01):
And now Saint John's's last job. He's not going anywhere.
You can't get him out of Saint John's again to Kentucky.
Come on, man, Iowa was his last job. I'm not
going anywhere. I remember vividly when he said that at
the press conference. You're not gonna get especially after he
said that's my last job. Then I'm leaving for Saint John's.
He's not gonna leave again.

Speaker 5 (40:20):
You can't do that.

Speaker 2 (40:21):
No, not at all, not at all.

Speaker 5 (40:25):
I mean, look, we at least would have.

Speaker 4 (40:26):
Some tournament experience.

Speaker 1 (40:28):
But this is how a program goes from elite to
what did we do? Because this is how you turn
into eighteen and fourteen seasons? Who are you gonna get?

Speaker 5 (40:36):
Right?

Speaker 1 (40:36):
Mark Pope's a guy better than get He's gonna get
you better and further than John Caliperry. Just what I'm what,
I'm just what I'm getting. I'm guessing these are the guys.
This is where if you knew he was gonna go,
you had to have your next guy set up to
say no, we got it. And this is our Okay, Hey,
this is a guy that handles an il, handles, knows
what it's like for the SEC all of these things.

Speaker 5 (40:54):
They biff this so bad. But well, but here's the
other problem is that you waited until the cycle had
already gone through a lot of these guys that already moved. Right.
We've seen a lot of coaching movement. We certainly saw
it on the football side, but on the basketball side,
guys were already gone, already in their own version of
the portal. So what's left?

Speaker 4 (41:12):
I'll tell you, man, the white smoke of the Pope.

Speaker 5 (41:16):
I could have run this better. I really could have.

Speaker 4 (41:18):
You don't like, might have run coming back.

Speaker 8 (41:20):
No.

Speaker 1 (41:21):
I even had his entrance music and everything. Yeah, but
he's the one guy whose name has been out there.
They have not talked to see. You know, they don't
want to talk to you. A lot more than this,
more and OJ and a big story involving Tom Brady,
Fox Sports Radio, The Jason Smith Show with my best
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(41:42):
thumped the Braves, they score sixteen runs. The Knicks beat
the crap out of the Celtics. We're going to the Finals,
Big Day, Mike Harmon, Big Day to.

Speaker 5 (41:51):
Day, Jalen Brunton with another thirty nine MVP and this
think about it. In to nineteen ninety four, headlines are
all about OJ and the names. You're right, it's funny,
you say, because we played the we played the font
open the font to start the show tonight.

Speaker 9 (42:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (42:06):
And while everybody you always played where were you win?
Where you win?

Speaker 1 (42:11):
I think everybody remembers where they were when the OJ
verdict trial was the OJ verdict was read, and you
also remember where you were when the chase happened. Al
Cowlings and O. J. Simpson and I remember where I
was because it just happened to be at the same
time of as Game six in the NBA Finals, the

(42:32):
Knicks and the Rockets.

Speaker 4 (42:33):
You know what I was doing. I was faunting. I
was this is when I was a production that saist.
That's fun.

Speaker 1 (42:40):
You were crying because you know, if you were in
charge of the font, you in charge of the graphics
for a show, and that was part of the part
of the the wheel of assignments you did as a
PA or an AP at ESPN was you do graphics.

Speaker 5 (42:51):
But they call it fonting. So I was really a
ready Well they would they would call it because you
when you were temporary PA or before or in your
first sorry, your first year, they would say you would
spend a month doing this, then a month doing this
month and that.

Speaker 1 (43:05):
Right, So so that was where you're on the wheel.
And so I was doing graphics, I was fonting, and
the whole thing is is the Chase is going on,
and I'm watching the Knicks and the Rockets, and I'm going,
this is crazy. And the argument was, what's gonna lead
the show tonight? What do we lead the show with?
What a sports in our lead to lead with the
Chase and the Knicks?

Speaker 5 (43:24):
I go, this is the NBA Bleeping Files And it's
the next and everybody's like, are you kidding? What are
you nuts?

Speaker 1 (43:31):
I remember somebody saying we'll be lucky if we even
get to the Knicks in the show. I'm like, what
are you crazy at it? But sure enough, and now
realizing how big a deal it was with me with
my Knicks goggles on, Yeah, the O. J. Simpson Chase
was the whole show. Yeah, And we did the NBA
Finals and the Knicks one forcing Game seven. I was
like okay, great. And I'll always remember at the end,
because I was doing graphics.

Speaker 5 (43:52):
Is that somebody? I want to say, it might have
been stuttering John from Howard Stern Show got into the
postgame press conf Friendce pat Riley's answering all these questions
for the Knicks and you know, what do you think
about this? What do you think about this?

Speaker 1 (44:05):
And I think it was stuttering John, who says who says, Uh,
pat Riley, do you think if O J had had
had cut to the left he would have got away?
And and pat Riley goes, what And then here, get
him out, get him out, Get get that guy out,
get him out. And they took him well because pat
Rally doesn't know he just won the game. And now
he's answering question if OJ had cut to his left

(44:25):
when he had gotten away, It's like, oh.

Speaker 5 (44:27):
I didn't look. If pat Riley had been wise to
the chase, then he could have answered it. Yeah, he
could have might have given you a good response, might
have gone to the whiteboard and come up.

Speaker 4 (44:36):
With a pretty good play to run.

Speaker 8 (44:38):
No.

Speaker 5 (44:39):
I remember we were in an apartment. We had a
bunch of folks over across from Ryan Field up in
Evanston and TV's on, and all of a sudden, the
Knicks game goes to the picture and picture. I started
cursing up a skim. I was like, what the hell
ian the next here? I don't care about this, see
and I didn't. I didn't have that because I had,
I had two screens in front of my Clearly you didn't.

(45:01):
I didn't care like I got the Knicks here and
I got the chase here. And after a while, honestly,
the chase was boring, like put the game. That was
the first slipping if you need that was the picture
and picture the other way. That was the first real
chase that anybody really got to see. Because now in
the ensuing years, when there's car chases, when police are
chasing somebody in difference, okay everybody, but that was the

(45:24):
first time anybody would see, not not as you thought.

Speaker 4 (45:27):
From the movies from Ron Burgundy.

Speaker 5 (45:29):
Yeah, this is this is.

Speaker 1 (45:30):
Ac I got oj in the car and you know what.
The one thing I remember from the time was when
they started driving through uh we are where he lived,
driving driving driving through uh Brentwood, is that the people
on the side of the road that knew it was coming,
that were standing there and waving because they knew the
television cameras come by. And I remember going, oh my god,

(45:52):
what are the people that they're right near a car.

Speaker 5 (45:54):
You've done that out here, You've done that out the
back door here sports even watch chase.

Speaker 8 (46:01):
No.

Speaker 5 (46:01):
I didn't realize at the time.

Speaker 1 (46:02):
I was like, Oh my god, I'm so scared for
those people because they're just they're there just to be
on television. Hey look, and they're waving is as they
know the car is driving by them. I'm going, oh
my god, those people, Oh my god, did they realize
Oh yeah, okay, we just drove by a wreck two
weeks ago from a car chase right outside the studio.

Speaker 5 (46:17):
Uh. We had we had the o Jam one screen
and the Knicks on the other screen. Doesn't sound like
you were watching the game. I was watching it.

Speaker 4 (46:26):
The Knicks had it in hand, Nicks had it, and
so it was it was okay, Knicks had the game
in hand.

Speaker 5 (46:31):
The Rockets won Game six.

Speaker 1 (46:33):
Then it was game five, Game five, Game five, it
was it was a game the Knicks one. It was
again the game the Knicks. One was that it was
game five. Hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on, anyway, Uh,
there was game five, because that's they asked pat Riley. Yeah,
it was Game five five, Game five the Knicks, Yes, yes,
they got through day lost Game six and game seven.

Speaker 5 (46:50):
Sorry I meant game five.

Speaker 1 (46:52):
Gad games my faults and uh but it was but
watching him both and I was like, okay, And then
I remember being mad after going and Oj Chase, Nicks
are gonna win the championship and now now no one's
even talking about it because Oj was in the chase.

Speaker 5 (47:08):
In his car. Come on, Unfortunately for you they didn't
What do you mean fortunately I would I wouldn't care
if they wanted it got and it got pushed.

Speaker 4 (47:17):
Now you got thirty years of the chase.

Speaker 5 (47:20):
So so does this me?

Speaker 1 (47:21):
Now the Knicks are gonna make it to the finals
and lose. Is that what you're telling me now? Nix
yeh a karmic things.

Speaker 4 (47:27):
Go New York, go New York, Go go New York,
go New York, go now New York.

Speaker 5 (47:31):
I mean, you know, I hate to say I told
you so whatever, Just everybody coming around, you know, with
another thirty nine point performance trying to jump on your
Jalen brunts and manwagon.

Speaker 4 (47:40):
I'm telling you now he's gonna finish.

Speaker 5 (47:43):
Like eighteenth and voting just the way things work, behind
Luca and and Yokich and everybody else.

Speaker 4 (47:49):
But he's had a hell of a run.

Speaker 5 (47:51):
That's insane that he You know what it is, Honestly,
this is in an anti New York bias. Hey, hey,
I didn't say it, you did.

Speaker 4 (48:00):
That's an anti Knicks bias.

Speaker 5 (48:02):
That's exactly what it is.

Speaker 1 (48:04):
Because in the media there's certain teams that members of
the media just don't like.

Speaker 5 (48:10):
For one, we're also not going to get a lot
of them a lot of love. One, a guy who
claims to be your biggest fan doesn't realize that they
traded one guy's ass away months ago and the other
guy's been starting for forty yeas.

Speaker 1 (48:20):
Hey, Grimes has been really good, Okay, Hartenstein coming off
the bench, that's been what we need.

Speaker 5 (48:27):
He really what we need. That's what we need.

Speaker 1 (48:30):
No, Look, it's there's a you could see just if
if Jalen Brunson played anywhere else, if Jalen Brunson was
a Celtic, if he if he played on the Lakers anyway,
look at Jalen Brunson, look for his size. But look
how smart he is his IQ on the court. He's
not fast, but he's quick enough.

Speaker 5 (48:46):
Look what he does. He'd be gushing. But because that's
the next speed. But because it's the Knicks and everybody
gets sick and tired of Knicks fans like me going
go New York, go near, I'm not going to give
him any credit. That's exactly why.

Speaker 4 (48:58):
They're not enough.

Speaker 1 (49:00):
It's the same thing for why Lebron and ad don't
get credit when the Lakers play well.

Speaker 5 (49:05):
I just don't like them. You talk about them too much, Okay,
but we don't talk about Luca. We don't talk about
uh Yo Kitch as much as we talk about what
some of these guys as well. So it's easy to pray.
You brought up Dallas. Let's talk about the Cowboys. What
do we got, hey, Quentin Grinds plays pretty well for
the Cowboys. Coming off the bench with the Cowboys, he'll
be terrific. Man, tell you, I'm.

Speaker 6 (49:24):
Glad you admit though that it's your fault. People hate
the Knicks, but I'm saying it is your fault.

Speaker 5 (49:29):
It's crazy. But that's the case that crazy is a
huge ant I haven't won in fifty years.

Speaker 1 (49:33):
Is anti Nick's anti Lakers bias and why because you
parade around like you're great when you're not think about
the last you're not greeting Jackson even without Julius Randall,
we're great.

Speaker 5 (49:45):
I mean, you decide, decide once and for all. Do
you love or hate that guy? It doesn't know today
right now, I don't have to. I don't have to
tell you that like you tried to, you know, send
a little soft love the other day. It's like play can't.

Speaker 2 (49:58):
We don't need it.

Speaker 5 (49:59):
I don't have to. We're running straight through.

Speaker 2 (50:01):
We don't need that.

Speaker 8 (50:02):
All.

Speaker 1 (50:02):
The narrative of this playoffs is look at the Knicks
running through teams and they don't even have Julius Randall.

Speaker 5 (50:08):
That's gonna be the Bigges.

Speaker 4 (50:09):
Why the run? Why that's the run? Why they hate us?
That's the run?

Speaker 5 (50:13):
Go to New York, Go go New York, Go New York,
go go.

Speaker 8 (50:18):
You know.

Speaker 1 (50:18):
The funny thing is the one thing I remember from
going New York or New York Go is the Bulls.
What was it ninety ninety three after they won Scott
Williams the Bulls Parade and uh, this is after the
Bulls won the championship, right, So this is after the
Eastern Conference finals. They win the championship, and everybody gets
to speak at the you know, at the rally and
at the parade, and Scott Williams says, man, last round, all.

Speaker 5 (50:42):
We heard was go New York, Go New York, Go,
Go New York, Go New York go.

Speaker 1 (50:47):
Well, yeah they're gone, and everybody went crazy. I'm going,
uh So that's when I say that, That's not what
I think. I was him saying, yeah, they're gone. Okay,
but watch this year, watch out all right, out, let's
get the people that.

Speaker 5 (50:58):
Own New York. Go New York go.

Speaker 1 (51:00):
So I'll have more and OJ coming up in a
few minutes. But as I mentioned Tom Brady, well I
didn't pick today. He did a podcast and today it
just so happened to break in a barber's chair getting
a haircut from a guy, all kinds of tatted up.

Speaker 5 (51:16):
Let's slip that.

Speaker 1 (51:17):
Hey, if the NFL called me at some point, coming
back to play isn't something I'm opposed to one day.

Speaker 6 (51:26):
It is a situation, right, Maybe it's the forty nine ers.

Speaker 5 (51:28):
Maybe you know, head in to the playoffs. Offense is great. Patriots, somebody,
somebody you never know.

Speaker 9 (51:35):
Scott forbid, somebody goes down, would you pick.

Speaker 5 (51:37):
Up that phone? I'm not opposed to it.

Speaker 3 (51:39):
If they would.

Speaker 7 (51:40):
I don't know if they're gonna let me if I
become an owner of the NFL team.

Speaker 5 (51:42):
But I don't know.

Speaker 7 (51:43):
If I don't know, I'm always going to be in
good shape. I always be able to throw the ball,
so to come in for a little bit like MJ
coming back. I don't know if they let me, but
I wouldn't.

Speaker 5 (51:52):
Be opposed to it. There it is.

Speaker 1 (51:57):
Tom Brady saying I would not be opposed to it.

Speaker 5 (52:00):
That was good because nondiposed twitters New England Patriots just
a little off the top. And it was an old
picture of Brady with long hair, you know, talking throwbacks whatever.
He said, fifty thousand likes and I'll unretire and he
had that scratched out, grow it back out with a
bunch of crying, laughing emojis. I'm gonna work to that
haircut myself. See if I can't recreate such greatness, because

(52:24):
you know what that does for me makes me feel
young again.

Speaker 4 (52:27):
Tom Brady's back on all field.

Speaker 1 (52:29):
Sure, yeah, means that I'm I could squint and I
couldn't be able to tell him from you no, no, no.
But the point is if he's playing, so I need
Lebron to play the like he's fifty because as long
as he's out there, I don't feel.

Speaker 4 (52:41):
So damn old.

Speaker 1 (52:43):
The Final Cut podcast which that is from, and it's
funny that he mentions Michael Jordan there because I'll tell
you what it seems like he's got in common with
Michael Jordan. That is not a great thing. When Jordan retired,
came back, retired again, came back, Jordan had a competition

(53:05):
issue that he could never find. How do I translate
the competition I had on the basketball court into what
I do after my career is over?

Speaker 5 (53:15):
Right?

Speaker 4 (53:16):
He struggled with that, which is why he retired, unretired, retired, unretired.

Speaker 1 (53:19):
And gambled a lot try yeah and trying to figure
out how to be to own a team, front office,
own a team.

Speaker 5 (53:24):
Just never he never figured that out. Kobe Bryant was
the same way. What's he going to do? But Kobe
was succeeding at it. He found a way.

Speaker 1 (53:30):
He was doing a lot of stuff for women's sports,
the mom But Basketball Academy, and he was away from
basketball doing things he wanted an Oscar so Kobe found
that was the other guy. I'm saying, what's he going
to do after there's no more game, because he's as
competitive as anybody else.

Speaker 5 (53:43):
But he found a way. But what Brady's got the
thing is is that he's got.

Speaker 1 (53:48):
That competition issue that now what does he do because
he's now as someone who retired, came back, retired and
now wants to make sure the door is open that hey,
just in case. Now, I'm not saying I want to
do eighteen games, but end of the season, if you're
a playoff team, or if you're New England the Raiders,

(54:08):
because the first team the guy brought up with San Francisco, Hey,
if the quarterback is hurt, would you play. I'm not
opposed to it. So he wants people to know if
he wants. He wants people to know that if you
have quarterback issues near the end of the season, you're
really good and you're a playoff team, Yeah, I could
still do it, like I could. He's still holding out

(54:28):
hope that I can play in the NFL and still
do other things. I can be that part time guy,
kind of like Roger Clemens wanted to do near the
end of his Yankee career where it was, you know,
I don't want to pitch until the middle of the season.
I want to basically sit home and do nothing and
then ye come back and pitch it off.

Speaker 5 (54:42):
It's like veteran players now they have no desire to
go to training camp, and if they missed the first
couple of weeks doesn't matter.

Speaker 4 (54:49):
It's a seventeen game season.

Speaker 1 (54:50):
But you can see Brady is. The first thing to
say is he has he has difficulty with retirement. What's
going to keep him happy? He was always about petition.
The great winners are always driven, and what do you
do when it's done? That same juice when you're done.
When you're done, you're done. And look at his second retirement.
He's walking on the beach at six o'clock in the morning.

Speaker 5 (55:10):
Hey guys, that's it. You only get one of these,
my second one. I'm done.

Speaker 1 (55:13):
I'm walking away. Like I never thought after that he
was really, really done. And here he is now saying
I wouldn't be opposed to it, Like if you would
say I'm done, No, no, no, I'm retired. I'm gonna
buy a football team. Offan I'm done. No, Still he's saying,
I wouldn't be opposed to it. Why would you say
that unless you know you want teams having the back
of their mind. Okay, if something happens, because Brady knows,

(55:34):
Look what we saw last year. How many quarterbacks started
for team sixty's some quarterbacks back to back. If you're
the if you're the Browns the end of last year
and you could and you're sitting, what do we do? Hey,
Tom Brady wants to go play. Now, all the teams know,
all the teams in the.

Speaker 5 (55:48):
NFL know, if we're great and we lose a quarterback,
Brady might want to come play for us. Like he's like,
now his chance of going from zero percent playing to
playing Like now, it's like a fifty to fifty deal
because you know there's gonna be a team or teams
that is really good quarterback issues at the end, quarterbacks
out because they get her all the time. Now I

(56:10):
think to hop in the air. So he's gonna go
back and play. You got a chance he's gonna go
back and play. I'm really it could finally happen. A
quarterback worth his weight and salt. Aaron Rodgers, guy from Chicago,
Aaron Rodgers says, no, I'm going to politics now or
whatever else. All right, you leave. In December, Tom Brady, we.

Speaker 4 (56:26):
Got an Aaron Rodgers storming.

Speaker 2 (56:29):
Like.

Speaker 1 (56:29):
That's like now, like his chance of going his chance
of never playing again went from his chance of playing.
It went from zero to fifty to fifty. Because somebody
in contention with quarterback issues in December will call.

Speaker 5 (56:43):
Him well staying in shape, right, and while he looks
at the broadcast booth and everything else, that's slamming that door,
especially after you watched because as he's studying for them
from the last two years footage, right, you start doing
mock games or whatever. It's a lot of crappy quarterbacking,
which is why we're talking about five, six and just

(57:06):
seven guys get hurt. Normally it's what nine to twelve
quarterbacks actually come through unscathed. And that's that's a bit
variable year to year, but for the most part, you're
turning things over and most of those replacements.

Speaker 4 (57:23):
Are so bad. You basically said, well, our starter's done,
our years done.

Speaker 5 (57:28):
Well. Now if you've got him floating out in the
lab and getting himself ready and work together I said,
preparing for the work at Fox, no doubt, put a
little more fire back in the belly going. This is
what passes for starting quarterback. Right now, I'm better than this.
I may not be able to move latterie worth a
damn at all, but I'm in