Best of the Jason Smith Show with Mike Harmon

Jason and Mike aren’t holding back as they dive into a heated debate about why Manning’s impressive resume didn’t earn him a first-ballot spot. They break down the complexities of Hall of Fame voting, examine Manning’s legacy, and weigh in on what really counts when it comes to getting into Canton. Plus, Hall of Fame Voter Jason Cole joins the show immediately following the announcement at NFL Honors!

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No new players, but we're waiting for Warriors Lakers.

Speaker 1 (01:05):
And waiting for the announcement of the new class of
the Pro Football Hall of Fame. The NFL honors going
on right now. Jae Daniels Offensive Rookie of the Year,
Aaron Rodgers has been named MVPP.

Speaker 3 (01:19):
What so name the MVP, but it.

Speaker 1 (01:21):
Should be sometime soon we find out who's getting into Canton.
I would say sometime within the next hour because they're
rolling for a lot of the awards. Now we're still
win MVP, Joe Burrow, Comeback Player of the Year, Saquon
Barkley Offensive Player of the Year. So we should get
to that, we should get MVP, then we should get
If it's not Gates, heads will roll. I will tell

(01:42):
you this. I know you're upset. I know you're upset,
but I'll tell you two things. Off off the ball,
give you two big predictions. I will say that one
hundred percent Antonio Gates and Eli Manning are getting in.
Now we add Jason Cole on the show the other night,
veryvasive yesterday pro Football Hall of Fame voter, we taught
what the one thing he told us was the biggest
debate was for Eli men which is no, no ships

(02:05):
as a quarterback. The biggest debate was Eli Manning because
Manning's career is.

Speaker 3 (02:10):
Very polarizing, right.

Speaker 1 (02:12):
But when it comes down to it, I will say
for Gates, I disagree, but I think last year they
probably held the ped stuff against it. Ah, you know,
and we're going to keep you out, which is stupid
because that's not part of your job. But again, voters,
but I would I would say, come on, the guy's
one of the top three tight ends to ever play
the game. He's got to get in the Hall of Fame. So,
but it's the stuff that keeps you on or off

(02:35):
the field, right, because that's not going outside the purview,
that's not you know, hey, something you did in the
you know, in the street.

Speaker 3 (02:42):
He kept them off for four games.

Speaker 1 (02:43):
I've got data fourteen year careers, but you extrapa lays
from you know, it kept him off for four But
what did it mean for.

Speaker 3 (02:54):
The rest of his career? Though? Sixteen more touchdowns he's
gonna hapen is that fourth.

Speaker 1 (02:57):
But it's the argument of what does it mean for
you your career if you got popped? And consistency right
and football, you know, there's one set of criteria obviously
when we talk about the Baseball Hall of Fame and
the lunacy that is that voting populous. You know, those
seventy three people that decide to hide instead of saying, wow,

(03:19):
I'm really proud I get a vote Nope, nope, Cover
of Night, never to be disclosed. But these are kind
of a big deal still, I mean football less so
but you still got hit for it. But that's why
I think that they did a one year Sure, Hey,
well this is going to be your penalty, which like really,
I mean it's not. This is a person you your
your job is to figure out is he a Hall

(03:40):
of Famer or not?

Speaker 4 (03:41):
Not?

Speaker 1 (03:41):
Well, he'll be a Hall of Famer next year because
this year I want to wait a year because of
the pier.

Speaker 3 (03:46):
Like, that's just stupid. They do that every year, like
they do.

Speaker 1 (03:49):
How many times do we go, all right, this guy's
on his eighth year of the ballot.

Speaker 3 (03:53):
Stupid. I'm I'm agreeing on percent.

Speaker 1 (03:57):
But it's not like we're setting precedent with Tonio Gates.
I mean, too, was one of the best receivers we've
seen for a quarter century. And would he have Ah,
there were a couple of guys that really didn't like him. Yeah,
and he was polarizing, he was mean to us in
the media, So let's keep him out.

Speaker 3 (04:14):
So I think Gates will get in.

Speaker 1 (04:16):
And I really do believe Eli Manning's getting in the
fact that it was a big debate, I get but
when it comes down to it, Eli Manning and there's
two schools have thought of wins aren't a quarterback stat. Ah,
they kind of are. No one's gonna remember what Eli
Manning's stats were, but they remember him beating Tom Brady
in the Super Bowl twice, not once, but twice, once,

(04:37):
ruining a perfect season, once in one of the great
final drives, one of the best passes you'll ever see
a quarterback throw in a Super Bowl, as big completion
Amario manningham in the second Super Bowl. So yeah, wins,
wins kind of are a quarterback stat. They kind of are,
because that's what it comes down to in your career.
If Eli Manning doesn't win the Super Bowls, he doesn't
get in. I'm with you that it's part of his name.

(04:59):
His record, by the way, was just over five hundred
one eighteen one seventeen for his career. But the Hall
of Fame is you make your career by winning and
playing big on the biggest stage, and the Super Bowl
is the biggest stage in all of sports. And yeah,
when you win twice and you lead your team on
game winning drives both times, and you beat a team

(05:19):
that we thought was unbeatable both times. Guess what, Eli
Manning is a Hall of Famer. I mean, I can't
believe it's that much of a debate.

Speaker 4 (05:27):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (05:27):
And if if you.

Speaker 1 (05:29):
Want to say, well, his record was just over five hundred, well, okay,
so his record counts in the regular season, but it
doesn't count in the Super Bowl.

Speaker 3 (05:36):
But like, what are you gonna say?

Speaker 1 (05:36):
But the incongruity to all of it, right, even those
teams were terrible, Those Giant squads for a long time
were bad.

Speaker 3 (05:45):
You had a couple of years with the defense was
really really good.

Speaker 1 (05:48):
Right, And that's where we can get into an argument
of should he have won one of those different Super
Bowl MVPs? Well, probably not, but he did. You don't
you can't take it away in the PostScript. Uh, well,
we'll go back and rewatch the game and relegislate it.

Speaker 3 (06:02):
But we can't do it.

Speaker 1 (06:03):
But like for his career, he's eleventh all time in
a number of passing categories two hundred and forty two
passing yards a game. Yes, he threw interceptions, it's also
a different time, a different style.

Speaker 3 (06:16):
Right.

Speaker 1 (06:16):
We don't kill Brett Farv the same way he was
a stat aggregator. Eli Manning showed up for work every day, right,
If we're gonna do that for Brett Favre and we're
gonna sit at the altar of Cal Ripken Junior on
the baseball side.

Speaker 3 (06:28):
How come Eli does he get the love for that?

Speaker 1 (06:30):
He was beating the hell and he showed up, right.
And then you talk about the postseasons. Oh, you only
made it six times. Okay, they won two of those.
And yes, you can make your arguments for Jim Plunkett,
get loud for him if you feel like it, he too.
But in this era when we talk about the pantheon,
a big plays highlight moments and you felled Tom Brady

(06:53):
like that all counts in a much different way. You
don't have to like it, which is why we get
it into these stupid ass arguments. I would the the
back half of Eli's career was fantastic, right, it was
the two Super Bowls. I I look at it as
if I could see people voting against him. They just
didn't like him for the first few years of his career.

(07:15):
Because here comes Eli, Peyton's brother. Already, you're gonna have
a little bit of built in polarized and paid outlay.
He's got ye power play to get traded out of
the fro Who is this guy? Oh you know you're
not too good to play for the Chargers. You want
to move on? And his body language sucked. His body
language was terrible and it looked like he was always
complaining coming off the field. He had bad faces. And

(07:37):
I'm sorry, but that that pushes a lot of people
one way over the other.

Speaker 3 (07:44):
Because Eli, you know, you see they go.

Speaker 1 (07:45):
Look at you, look look at him, look at him
moaning and complain to look, he's look at him showing
up his receiver that played it and had else you
know that but that, But but Eli gets got a
lot of that attention. So I think the first half
of his career he had to overcome a lot. But then,
you know, you have the two Super Bowls, but you
also have he's with the Giants. So as much as
you know, at times they became from a football perspective

(08:09):
kind of ir irrelevant.

Speaker 3 (08:11):
They were still the Giants.

Speaker 1 (08:12):
So like the Cowboys being shown every Sunday, guess what
Eli and the Giants were on TV an awful lot.
So while we just watched Luka Doncic get introduced at
at at mid court before the Laker gave ay Warriors
just under take off the fat suit. No, but he
made a shot over his head without looking.

Speaker 3 (08:30):
Really, no he didn't.

Speaker 1 (08:32):
So while that is happening, speaking of getting their flowers
waving to the crowd, we now know some information about
the Pro Football Hall of Fame, and the person who
knows it bet a lot of money on this class
getting in. She's a big parlay. She knows things on
people getting in. Monty Bolognos.

Speaker 3 (08:48):
What do you got for us?

Speaker 5 (08:49):
Well, guys, we know the Pro Football Hall of Fame
class of twenty twenty five, and it's Jared Allen, Sterling Sharp,
Eric Allen and Antonio Gates.

Speaker 6 (09:03):
Is not.

Speaker 3 (09:05):
His first year of eligibility.

Speaker 1 (09:09):
You got two guys named Alan, but not one name.
He had two Mannings, He got two all couldn't let
him in. Jared Allen couldn't let him in. They let
you stats for days, baby. They let Steve Allen in.
He got into. Uh Neil Allen former Mets pitch say,
just brought all his old Keenan Allen files. They just said,
just stop. It's kind of like the Andy du Frame

(09:29):
letters showing up here. Build your damn library. So Jared
Allen gets in, Eric Allen gets in Sterling Sharp and
Antonio Gates.

Speaker 3 (09:37):
All right, an interesting class one for on that.

Speaker 1 (09:41):
I mean, I wonder is it is it a whole
thing where I'll vote for Eli next year, right, like
I'll vote for next year. I'm not going to vote
for Ye. He's not gonna get in his first year.
He's too polariz he can't get in the first year,
so I'm gonna hold it against him. He's gonna get
in next year.

Speaker 3 (09:54):
Like that. That's kind of how I feel this is
going on. I really am surprised.

Speaker 1 (09:57):
I really am stunned he wasn't getting because that's the
thing about the Hall of Fame, and this is where
we get to there's a lot of minutia, but we
go back to where each ro didn't get in the
Hall of Fame, right, Like, why why is it important
not getting a Hall of fame? Didn't have one person
vote for him for the Hall of Fame? Why is
it important that Intro get unanimously elected? Because we let

(10:19):
in and and and the voters let in a wide
swath of players who some of them really aren't nearly
as good as the players who are at the top level, right,
the guys we just let in and had the most votes. Recently,
Rivera was unanimously selected. Jeter missed on a vote. Jeter said,
probably the same guy didn't vote for each other. Petro
misses by a vote, right like, okay, so so Billy

(10:40):
Wagner Hall of Famer, Ichro Suzuki Hall of Famer. Billy
Wagner is not nearly the player then Echrosuzuki was. Billy
Wagner was very good. I'd like to see him, could
have led the league in something once, you know, to
be to be a Hall of Famer, but he didn't.
We the baseball is caught up in let's make sure
we have big classes all the time, or it looks
like we don't have good players, which next year is

(11:00):
going to be really interesting.

Speaker 3 (11:01):
But that's kind of what baseball is.

Speaker 1 (11:02):
So that's why it's important to have that distinction of
these guys going in unanimously because the boy that's that's
a special wing of the guys are better. And now
that plays out here into football because how many people said, okay, uh,
here's Hall of famers, the biggest ones. I'm making sure
they all get in the first ballot. But the other
Hall of famers that might not be as good, the

(11:24):
very good players that might not be as good as
the best players, they have to wait a year because
they shouldn't have that. They're not of the same ill
caliber of player that we led in. The guys like
Peyton Manning, Oh, first ballot Hall of Famer, he's an
obvious I'll look at Peyton man Now. Eli's not a
first ballot guy. Eli's a second ballot guy. And I
guarantee you that was part of the thinking that didn't

(11:45):
put him in. Now only four guys go in, and
I think they're all except for Gates. I think we
all agreed Gates was gonna get in. Yeah, and then
we were just talking about the well, why maybe you
could argue against it, against if eventually you're saying he's
a Hall of Famer, But you know, won't make him
sweat a year. All right, it's one year and he
needn't get to do the inscription and cash in on it.

(12:08):
But for Eli, it's curious, right, Sterling Sharp, I'm happy
as hell he gets in. Great player, derailed by injury,
but again a bit of a surprise. Jared Allen, Eric Allen,
I wouldn't have had them on my short parlay, right, Vinitary,
even though he's a kicker, yep, from this history of

(12:28):
the game kind of thing. Yeah, right, when you tell
the like the old you.

Speaker 3 (12:32):
Tell the tale.

Speaker 1 (12:33):
And you can't tell the story of the NFL without
Eli Manning and without Antonio Gates, Right, you need to
tell this? Do you need those two to tell the
story of the NFL?

Speaker 4 (12:41):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (12:41):
Gates certainly from his origins again, right is the thing
that really, I mean, the production is obviously off the charts,
don't get me wrong, but it all starts with this
guy wasn't even playing football. Really need to become one
of the guys that every every game you watch, like,
all right, watch him in the low post, watch him
go like he's playing, like he's playing hoops out there,

(13:01):
watch him set this guy up and then Philip rivers
and he just time it again. And obviously Frostburg's over
the moon on this one.

Speaker 3 (13:08):
Gate but only four get in. Yeah, means you couldn't
find a consensus on fifty guy, couldn't. That's carry Eli.

Speaker 7 (13:15):
Okay, you're giving Eli way too much credit. Outside of
the two Super Bowls, he was he was, Okay, Yeah,
that's part of what it is. It's the Super Bowl
win and.

Speaker 3 (13:24):
Being the NBA.

Speaker 4 (13:25):
Wait wait wait, I wing.

Speaker 3 (13:26):
In the game with two drives at the end.

Speaker 7 (13:28):
Look at those teams that he played on. When did
they get hot at maybe the last game of the season.

Speaker 1 (13:32):
Okay, the last time they got hot, got in as
a wildcard team and went on to win the Super Bowl?

Speaker 3 (13:36):
Yeah exactly.

Speaker 1 (13:37):
Yeah, second time they went on the road and the
first time title game. You can't not count that, you know.
That's like that's what you know. That's like, that's like
that's like Ryan Day last year when he said, you know,
outside of five or six plays against Michigan, you know
we won that game, right, I mean I know, but
those five or six plays all went for eighty five
yards in a touchdown and you lost fifty five to twenty.

(13:58):
Lincoln Riley can a usc career out of we were
three plays away in that game, only one.

Speaker 3 (14:04):
In that one two over there.

Speaker 1 (14:07):
I mean we were an undefeated season. I mean it
was six maybe eight plays that defined our year. But
for Eli Manning, yeah, I mean, the arguments are fun.
I can't wait to talk to Jay Cole about it.
At length to hear the arguments. And I'm sure the
regular season numbers come into play in terms of wins losses,

(14:29):
but the whole idea, and I know this week has
been hijacked by NBA trades, don't get me wrong, But
year after year, what is the ultimate event in the
universe for television, for viewing, for Gluttney, for everything else,
It's a super Bowl. So on the grandest stage, he's

(14:49):
shown brightest twice against Tom Brady.

Speaker 3 (14:54):
Everybody's darling.

Speaker 1 (14:55):
You can't tell the story of the NFL about Eli Manning.
He should have been you should.

Speaker 3 (15:00):
You can't. I would like to.

Speaker 1 (15:02):
I'm a Jets fan. I don't want to, but i'd
like to. I'd love to do that, but I can't.
I can't do it.

Speaker 3 (15:06):
That's just amazing.

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But straight ahead.

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and clearly what we found out a few minutes ago TJ. Tonight,
the Pro Football Hall of Fame voters all drank Eli's milkshake.

Speaker 4 (17:31):
TJ.

Speaker 3 (17:33):
They drank it up. They basically threw bowling pins at him.

Speaker 1 (17:37):
At this point, they took a big straw and reached
all the way from their voting tablets all the way
over to the button to press, and they press that
button that said not a Hall of Famer. I've actually
done that when you've worked from home and I've been
in the studio, I've done the way over to make
a point. Yeah, no, just stay Eli. They sunned him.

Speaker 3 (18:01):
Drainage, Eli, drainage, drainage, drainage in Hall of Fame arguments.

Speaker 1 (18:06):
Yeah, you know the thing about it. And again we're
just getting here. Eli Manning not elected to the Pro
Football Hall of Fame. The class of twenty twenty five
was just announced. Jared Allen, Eric Allen, Stirling Sharp, Antonio
Gates all get in. Eli Manning does not. And you know,
to further this thing a little bit like sometimes the

(18:26):
thing a quarterback does he doesn't get enough credit for.
And the thing that stands out to me, I was
for Eli. You know, you have the helmet catch, you
have the past to Mario Manningham. When I was I
was ten feet behind Eli when he threw that past
to Manningham and I was like, that doesn't have a
pro Oh my god, he completed that. Is that one
of the things he did better than almost anybody I've

(18:46):
ever seen in the NFL, better than Brady, better than
Mahomes is that he always at the line of scrimmage,
got the Giants into the right formation based on what
the defense had. What he's able to do that he
was it right away. It was okay, this is happening here,
This is happening here. Now what does that do when
he throws those fifty to fifty balls, Because that's Eli, right,

(19:07):
that's his game. Hey, he would find the one on
one coverage and he would throw that fifty to fifty ball,
going okay, I'm gonna give a Keen Nicks a chance
to make a play in this. Victor Cruz is gonna
get a chance to make a play on this, and
putting it a spot where all right, it's either gonna
be my guy and incompletes a bit of a risk,
but it's my guy. An incomplete pass and when and
getting everything, getting the Giant to the right formation and

(19:28):
knowing where he's going with the football, being very decisive,
like you increase the percentage of how you're going to
complete the passes and how your offense moves up and
down the field, and it's not where Hey, look at
the army hat on this, Look at what he did.
Look at the vision he had as oh, he threw
that ball up and the keem Nicks made a great play. Well,
you got to go back to the beginning and see
how okay he saw what was going on. He sent

(19:48):
the guy in motion, so that cleared out. So now
it's one on one coverage. They couldn't they couldn't drop
a safety back. He had to follow across the line
where Victor Cruz went, and he knew a keem nixy
audible to a deep out or a or some kind
of a jump ball pattern, and he threw the ball
up and he caught it. Like that's all part of
what a quarterback does. But I don't think Eli ever
really got enough credit for that, because that's what he

(20:10):
did so much better than everybody else, was a here's Eli,
Like I can tell you my Giants fans. Family, they're
all Giants fans. My aunts and uncles, they're all Giants fans,
and they're all like, we watch a game together, and
they would go, get the playoff, Eli, what's he doing?

Speaker 3 (20:24):
Get the playoff? Get the playoff? When do you come on, Eli?
When you get the playoff? All right? All right? They
get the playoff?

Speaker 1 (20:29):
Because he would take the clock all the way down
towards zero, because he knew what he wanted to do,
and that's something he just doesn't get credit for stuff
like that, which I don't know that I've seen a
guy do anything better than that. No, But that's where
it gets back into you settle into the minutia, and
he's gonna lose that debate because everybody loved his brother
for all of those very same reasons. Right, great regular

(20:49):
season success, ELI greater than Peyton in playoffs, Right, same
number of Super Bowls, ELI winner of two and Peyton
had to get dragged to that second. Still count. But
the whole thing, right, it's now we parse out how

(21:10):
much you love different parts of guy's resumes and Eli
to your point about the body language, Hell uh, when
he hosted Saturday at Live, they did a whole bit
where he's on a witness stand and it's all just
emoji faces basically that he's doing and he leaned into it,
and he has in his in his post career like
if he'd been that guy and been a smart ass,

(21:30):
got of like the celebration of Belichick and all these
guys and they're in their post uh, playing and coaching careers.
Not that Belichick's done altogether as he gets ready for
North Carolina, but just the idea of, wow, if I
had that personality, I like this guy a lot more.

Speaker 3 (21:44):
And maybe for Eli that might have helped.

Speaker 1 (21:47):
Yeah, I mean, look like I said, the first half
of his career when it was about body language, looked
like he was complaining in morose all the time. They
did him no favors, especially in New York when hey,
when when you have to have image, you have to
have the right optics. Can't just win, you gotta win
the well. But look at the career of Jay Cutler, right,
type one diabetic countenance on the sideline.

Speaker 3 (22:05):
He wasn't run around.

Speaker 1 (22:06):
Breating eyes, but because he didn't look happy all the time,
like he became the bad game if he had become
smoking Jay Cutler earlier in his career made But just
in general, right, like when when do we get reaction
when people are really mad?

Speaker 3 (22:22):
Occasually we get it.

Speaker 1 (22:23):
At a boy at Swollen Dome at how about a
fresc at Fox Sports Radio and and and you know
you're you're our greatest form of promotion out there. So
evangelize to the masses for us if you will, but
you know, most of the time, what do people write,
customer service man, you're doing a bang up job.

Speaker 3 (22:38):
No, my driver threw that on the side of my house.

Speaker 1 (22:42):
I didn't know it was there because there was no picture,
so I went several days without the medication that I
was waiting at Slim. You're getting the the angry response likewise,
on a sideline, it's not normally like, boy, that guy's
having fun. What was the AJ Brown when they showed
him on the sideline with the look? It was it
because hey, there's happy a J. Brown with a book. No,

(23:04):
here's his stat line right now? Is he pissed off?

Speaker 3 (23:07):
We got guys reading. He's read that show up that
show him on the television. He's reading. He's not happy.
Let's show him there. I'll tell you it's not look good.

Speaker 1 (23:14):
Right, But any quarterback after a bad sequence, you're far
more likely to get a response on the sideline after
the initial DAPs like a touchdown. All right, cool celebration,
slap on the head. That's it. We're back to the action.
And now we're showing the angry defensive coordinator and defensive captain.
On the other side. We're not showing guys happy. Yeah,
we just don't. So he will show guys when they're happy.

(23:36):
It's just that it's not often there happy.

Speaker 3 (23:38):
No, no, no.

Speaker 1 (23:38):
But even when you celebrate, right, it's all right, there's
the guys celebrating the end zone. Normally it's the quarterback
with the head slap, unless they rushed for the touchdown.
Then they get a little more ass kissing on the
on the broadcast, but otherwise they're on.

Speaker 3 (23:51):
They're on to the next thing.

Speaker 1 (23:52):
And look if it bleeds, it leads we get to
the unhappy side of the equation and the complaint department
a lot. He's year So Eli, Hall of Famer. All
of what we've been talking about the last half hour
held against him, and he should be in the guy.
Look what what he did in the Super Bowl. I
mean that that's the end of the game right there.
That's that's the end of the discussion. But as you say,

(24:14):
unhappiness happy, we're talking about Eli, how about something on
the other side of the coin. Let's go one hundred
and eighty degrees because Frostburg has something for us, which
is Snoop Dogg delivering a special message at the NFL Honors.

Speaker 3 (24:27):
Is that what you got jokes. Oh, stoop Dogg's got jokes?
Is it about? Is it about his offensive coordinator? Wait?
Can we and he doesn't mention the jets, it's too
low hanging. Can we play them? We're okay to play them.

Speaker 1 (24:39):
Well, let's find out because I've seen some of Snoop's
you know, best of viral moments and and we can't
play them.

Speaker 3 (24:46):
Well, it's a risk I'm willing to take.

Speaker 1 (24:48):
Been working hard this week, so he is ready now,
you know what with the dump button at any moment.
You know, Tyser told me before the show how easy
his job is. Tell me how easy it is? So well,
maybe he's just a wizard, he tells me it's so easy. No,
he's it's really my job is.

Speaker 3 (25:00):
Really he's part of the Fantastic four. Uh maybe, yeah,
he'll be a pretty good even be pretty good. Read Richards.

Speaker 1 (25:06):
I can see you being really elastic because you're tall
in your thing. Yeah, I can see you pretty last.
In a few minutes, when Monty's doing what's trending, I'll
come into the room and I'll see how much I
can pull your arms and see how far. And you
stay on one side and we'll pull you and see
if we can really stretch.

Speaker 3 (25:21):
Only if you show me a good first step.

Speaker 1 (25:23):
My first stuff grabbing you and pulling never gonna happen.
All right, Snoop?

Speaker 3 (25:27):
What do you got?

Speaker 1 (25:28):
So let's hear some of Snoop's jokes at NFL Honors.

Speaker 6 (25:32):
Because I've been a football fan for a long long time.
I mean, I remember back when the Cowboys was good,
I remember back when the Chiefs was bad, and I
remember when was it Bill Belichick's girlfriend wasn't even born yet.

Speaker 3 (25:57):
I'm onnace laying and the girl is not happy about it?
Of course, of course not. You're gonna own and own it,
you know, of course. I mean, what's he gonna do? No,
she's not really twenty four, she's really forty eight? Is
she really?

Speaker 4 (26:13):
No?

Speaker 3 (26:13):
But I'm just gonna say that to get you to
stop asking questions. Look at this point you got to
lean into it. Yeah. Well, well, and you know, Jerry,
you got no choice.

Speaker 1 (26:20):
What do you think Stephen Jones His reaction to the
to the Snoop dog was do you think he said that, hey, hey, hey,
we're not a drought.

Speaker 3 (26:25):
Snoop.

Speaker 1 (26:26):
There's no drought. There's no thirty year drought here man,
he held up what the estimated value is off?

Speaker 7 (26:31):
The last Forbes list was a better place, guys when
the Chiefs were bad.

Speaker 1 (26:36):
Oh, that was a long time ago, man, that was
that was your talk. Thanks for reminding me that was
a long long time ago. By the way, Belichick's red
suitcoat looks like he's getting ready to offer me.

Speaker 3 (26:45):
Uh you want the whiter the red?

Speaker 4 (26:47):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (26:47):
Why is he not? He looks like ready for his
return down?

Speaker 4 (26:50):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (26:50):
Why is he not wearing powder blue? Like you should
be wearing North Carolina powder blue? Let him get it.
He should look like a deck I don't know. He's
Isaac the bartender on all the different places. He's ready
to fight Nel Gibson and the Patriots.

Speaker 3 (27:05):
The bartender. Here, he's a bartender. Here, he's a bartender.
Here is a bartender.

Speaker 1 (27:09):
We got more coming up in ninety seconds, but first,
let's find out what's trending in the wide world of
sports from someone who's been called the Bill Bellichick of
Fox Sports Radio.

Speaker 3 (27:18):
That's right, one of.

Speaker 1 (27:19):
The best coaches you'll ever see. That's right, who's now
coaching in college.

Speaker 3 (27:26):
And hates the Jets. It's Monty Belagyas all of those
things seem accurate.

Speaker 1 (27:30):
You're waiting for me to say something different every single time.

Speaker 3 (27:33):
Yes, where is he?

Speaker 5 (27:35):
Where's gonna say next?

Speaker 3 (27:37):
They all seem accurate, guys.

Speaker 5 (27:39):
Kevin O'Connell has won the Coach of the Year at
the NFL Honors.

Speaker 3 (27:43):
The Pro Football Hall.

Speaker 5 (27:45):
Of Fame class, which you guys have been talking about.
Jared Allen, Sterling Sharp, Eric Allen, Antonio Gates, no, Eli
Manning not a Hall of Famer in his first year
of eligibility. Bengals quarterback Joe Burrow is the comeback player
of the year. In Eagles running back Saquon Barkley. Is
he often the player of the year. We're waiting on
the MVP. Tracy Wilson tweeted about now twenty five minutes ago,

(28:06):
congratulations to Josh Allen.

Speaker 3 (28:08):
But it hasn't been announced.

Speaker 5 (28:09):
But she tweeted that about twenty five minutes ago, and
people I like, yes, before getting banned.

Speaker 3 (28:14):
Yeah, the only one who has the only one who
has it. And people are like, this isn't out yet? Deleted?
She deleted?

Speaker 5 (28:21):
Is it officially deleted?

Speaker 3 (28:22):
She deleted. She got crucified.

Speaker 5 (28:24):
It was twenty five minutes.

Speaker 1 (28:25):
Aga, Okay, hang on you're missing what's important right now.
Frostburg called Vegas.

Speaker 3 (28:29):
Put all my money on Jack Allen, right, all all
of our money. Yeah, I got let it all on there. Absolutely.

Speaker 1 (28:39):
But you know they're all going when like the wheel goes,
no more mad, no more.

Speaker 3 (28:44):
No more bad. That's exactly what's happening.

Speaker 7 (28:46):
But if you got to be that in a hurry
to be first with something that has that has.

Speaker 3 (28:50):
Not been yes, no, you can't do that. You can't
do that. She did. She deleted it.

Speaker 5 (28:55):
Oh wow, okay, all right, she she she was getting
crucified on those comments. The NBA guys, we've got the
Nuggets who are pulling away from the Magic seventy five
to fifty eight halfway through the third quarter. Nikola Yoka's
twenty four points, six rebounds, eight assists the Lakers on
top of the Warriors at home, thirty four to twenty
one early in the second and late in the first.
It's the trail Blazers who are beating the Kings twenty

(29:17):
seven to twenty five. The Mavericks beat the Celtics in Boston,
won twenty seven to one. Twenty Anthony Davis did not
make his debut. They're hopeful that he can play Saturday
at home against Houston. The Rockets and the Timberwolves went
back and forth, but Minnesota pulled away. They won it
one twenty seven to one fourteen. Anthony Edwards put on
another show yesterday at forty nine points, today eight to
forty seven points, and has officially surpassed one thousand threes made.

(29:41):
Also Jimmy Butler, sound guys, here you go.

Speaker 8 (29:45):
I'm so happy to be playing basketball again. Honestly before
an organization like this one with some hell of five
talent that we have. I'm glad that I get the
opportunity to get here and help get this to winning
and do something special. I think that's why I'm here,
do my best to do what everybody wants, and that's
to win a championship.

Speaker 3 (30:03):
I mean it.

Speaker 5 (30:04):
And this was just set ahead of the Warriors Lakers game.
Thank you to Brandon for pulling that sound back to
you guys.

Speaker 3 (30:11):
Thank you very much.

Speaker 4 (30:12):
Man.

Speaker 1 (30:12):
So yeah, I would assume that somebody at CBS made
a phone call say hey, hey, what the hell are
you doing?

Speaker 3 (30:20):
You take that tweet to what the hell is going on? Now?

Speaker 1 (30:23):
Here's the thing is that I'm pretty sure Tracy Wolfson
and Josh Allen hilly Steinfeld like they're friends, like they
know each other like off the field, and and it's
it's kind of relations I have. But still, you know,
you know, you're not supposed to tweet that stuff out.
This is this is a and I this is not
This is not a hey. If I don't come out
with this, it's breaking news that an Adam Schefter.

Speaker 3 (30:46):
Or Jay Glazer or someone would have.

Speaker 2 (30:48):
Hey.

Speaker 1 (30:48):
If I don't have it, somebody else is gonna get it,
right Because I remember roj well before ESPN, Like that's
how long ago it was when he would come on
our show and and he would say, you know, hey,
woj you you you tip the picks here and stuff
going on before it goes on the broadcast. He goes,
you know, I don't. I don't work for anybody else.
If I find out some information that is that is
a news. I'm gonna tell you. If I know what
a trade is gonna happen before it's announced, and I

(31:10):
get it from the insider part of it, this is different.
This is a we have a vote. Everybody, you know,
everybody keeps it quiet. This is because this is something
that everybody. It's understood. You're keeping this quiet, right, You're
keeping this quiet when news breaks. Now, okay, news breaks.
We can't hold on to breaking news. We have to
kind of let it go. This is a vote, This
was something that was everybody was understood.

Speaker 3 (31:30):
And wow, this whole situation. I can't wait to see
how this thing plays out.

Speaker 1 (31:34):
This is funny because now you're starting to get into
a conspiratorial space where it's like, did she get hacked?

Speaker 3 (31:41):
Was it really Tracy Wolfson?

Speaker 1 (31:43):
All these things You're like, oh, okay, now now we're
starting to get in into those kind of things. But yeah,
I mean, like she won of the leads for CBS,
She's done a lot of Josh Allen in Buffalo bill games.
But I have to ask this though about Sham since
he's kind of running in a hose these days, does
his valuation.

Speaker 3 (32:02):
Go down go? I mean, because they really are.

Speaker 1 (32:06):
He's running on a pose like this is like winning
a congressional seat in a small town or you're running
for public school boards. Yeah, there's nobody else in the NBA,
and the closest thing is Schefter. He's the evil Empire.
He's a one man evil empire. Now he's the He's
the Yankees of basketball. So I mean I don't have
to pay him top dollar anymore though, because he's running
out of posed. Yeah, but as long as he keeps

(32:26):
coming up with stuff like, hey, guys, Luca got traded
for ad Oh, I think that's worth it.

Speaker 3 (32:31):
But we were all gonna know eventually.

Speaker 1 (32:32):
Yeah, but yeah, but somebody's gotta say it, somebody just
because it got you excited, like you had another kid?
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Speaker 3 (32:59):
Well.

Speaker 1 (32:59):
Coming up next was Tracy Wilson Wright. We got the
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get your podcasts from, just search Jason Smith and Mike Harmon.
It goes up about ten minutes after we get off
the air. We'll have all kinds of content for you
from tonight. Pro Football Hall of Fame vote Eli Manning
does not get in, And the NFL MVP was just
announced and the winner is someone I would have had
third on, you would have had third, someone you picked.

(34:02):
He was your pick preseason to win NFL MVP. Garrett Wilson.
What's that ex jet now good? Tracy Wolfson was correct
in her early tweet foreshadowing that Josh Allen would be
named NFL MVP. He wins his first MVP. The odds

(34:22):
on him shifted drastically in the last few hours. Maybe
that's why Trace Wills I can tweet this out. But look,
this is really a surprise for me because Lamar Jackson
out everything to him, right, I mean Lamar Jackson threw
for forty one touchdowns and Josh Allen threw for twenty eight. Okay,
I mean that's that's a big deal. You want to say, Oh,
but Josh Allen running the ball. Yeah, Josh Allen ran

(34:44):
for five hundred yards and twelve touchdowns. Okay, that's great.
Lamar Jackson ran for nearly one thousand yards and four
more touchdowns, So he ran for more yards, he threw
for more yards, had a better quarterback rating, counted for
more touchdowns. I feel like this Josh Allen and oh,
by the way, Saquon Barkley had an all time great
year for a running back, two thousand yards rushing, single

(35:05):
handedly catapulting the Eagles through all kinds of drama that
they couldn't stay away from. But I feel like Josh
Allen won. Kind of like when people win Oscars because
you look at someone like the like this, You're like
Demi Moore is the favorite to win for the Substance, right,
And I watched Substance and she was okay, Like I
caught her acting so many times. But she gets nominated

(35:28):
for a movie that had a lot of buzz and
she you know, she's a big star in it, and
she's made a lot of money for Hollywood. She's had
an incredible career for the past thirty five years. So yeah,
when she's in a movie that has buzz and and
and she's and she's and she's not bad, Okay, this
is when we can give her the Best Actress Award, Right,
they do it for a lot of people.

Speaker 3 (35:46):
Leo won.

Speaker 1 (35:47):
Leo DiCaprio won for a movie he was unconscious for
over forty five percent of it. Yeah, but he sold
me he might have been passed out. What do I
do in this scene? Just lay there like you're passed out? Awesome,
I can do that, and I am feel like, well,
Lamar Jackson's already won a couple. This is our chance
to give josh Allen the MVP because I don't know
if he's gonna get one again. I don't know it.

(36:09):
But we can give him the MVP now because is
giving it to Lamar? Do we really need to give
him a third one? Or does Josh Allen need to
get one? Because boy, he's had a great career and
he's fallen short, but boy, he's been really really good.
Like I kind of feel like that's what happened. I
think some of it also comes into expectations, Right, the
Ravens won thirteen games last year and you picked up

(36:30):
Derrick Henry, who for a chunk of the season you
would have made the argument he's your MVP. Right early
on in the season he was dominant, and Ronnie Stanley
and that offensive line healthy. Over on the Barkley side
of things in in division, you had great expectations for
what they could be, right if they sorted out what

(36:51):
happened last year, the collapse and everything else and all
the drama that you still had on paper, one of
the top three raw usters coming back. And that's before
you add Barkley to the equation. You're looking at your
offensive line, you look at your defense like this is
a team that's ready to go win, perform well.

Speaker 3 (37:09):
And Barkley did just that because.

Speaker 1 (37:11):
They'd run the ball well with the likes of Boston Scott,
Kenneth Gainwell and others in the past. This is where
your Jets actually play a major role in this award.
We've shut him down because the expectation was what was
the sexy Super Bowl pick? What was the sexy AFC East.

(37:31):
They're gonna run and hide, Buffalo's gonna regress. Buffalo's gonna
be bad. Look at what they've got a lot of questions.
Turnover at this turnover, at that defense that's gonna have
issues offensively. Look, we've celebrated James Cook on this show
from a fantasy perspective as sure as hell on the
iwatcher Flex podcast. Banged the drum for him for a
couple of years now, and he had a magnificent year

(37:52):
wide receiving corps. Nothing to write home about, right, Dalton
Kinkaid pretty good in spots, Dawson Knox pretty good in spots,
your wide receiving role a cast to characters really this year, right.

Speaker 3 (38:05):
So from an.

Speaker 1 (38:06):
Expectations standpoint, they over delivered. And that's where Josh Allen,
if there was any let's you know, go to the
crossroads here and decide, well, they're all kind of close.
He wins because the expectations on him were lower. Well,
I also feel like the voters saw him with those
back to back games, which also happened to coincide with

(38:29):
Fantasy playoffs, where he had like twelve touchdowns each week
in two high profile games against the Rams where they
lost forty four to forty two, and when they beat
and they beat the Lions.

Speaker 3 (38:38):
Forty eight to forty two.

Speaker 1 (38:39):
Right, these are games where he had five touchdowns in
each game and it was an incredible run for him.
He ran for eighty yards in each game. He threw
for over three hundred and fifty yards in each game. Like, Okay,
I'm done, I'm done filling out my ballot now. Because
Josh Allen had these two games near the end of
the season that were really really good, like that did it?
It's like, okay, no, it's the whole also goes. Take

(39:01):
those two games out and what kind of did he
really have that great dominant season when you're talking about
you know, a third of his touchdowns coming in coming
in in two games they finished forty total touchdowns. You
you look at what the Bills did as a squad,
because you got to do that. It's not all just
stat driven, as much as we may like it to
be sometimes. Olamar Jackson won won the division. You had

(39:22):
all that, and I mean, but but again, Eagles won
the division. Part of it is coming off of expectations, right,
the Bills were not expected to play as well as
they did, so tadda, you get a little more extra
love for Josh all I to still be really good,
though not like Peel's Josh Allen's gonna be terrible. You
still want to be really good. What happens if you
don't win games? You get dismissed, right, Yeah, Joe Burrow

(39:43):
had a great finish to the season. Guess what, they
didn't bother to play football in September, and it comes
back to buy.

Speaker 3 (39:51):
You that first month of the year and you're just
kind of easing yourself back. Inas not like the old
John Gruden. I want six preseason games.

Speaker 1 (39:57):
I want to be playing preseason games from July all
the way until the middle of September. Like they all
count the same, right, Because Joe Burrow had a magnificent year,
many wins, Comeback Player of the Year, all of these things,
and you know, the most divisive of awards because everybody
trying to argue why and how and who should actually
be eligible for set award. But Joe Burrow had a
magnificent year from pillar to post, but he's not considered

(40:19):
because they lost too many games.

Speaker 3 (40:20):
He just gets thrown away.

Speaker 1 (40:22):
Likewise, with Josh Allen, the expectation was that they might
not be a great team. He'd put up his numbers,
but they struggle. Again, your Jets playing a very big role.
Why because they were terrible, so they helped repel.

Speaker 3 (40:36):
Him doing that.

Speaker 1 (40:37):
Look, I wouldn't have been mad if it was any
of the three guys. I mean, Lamar Jackson's year was
absurd forty one and four, sixty seven percent completion rate,
just an amazing I mean, it's amalgam of stats and performances.

Speaker 3 (40:49):
Look, we'll have more on.

Speaker 1 (40:50):
This coming up, because it really is sometimes about a
lifetime achievement award. Josh Allen's your NFL MVP. We got that.
And the guy who didn't get traded today in the
NBA that's still own the deadline.

Speaker 3 (41:01):
That's next. Jason to Mike Fuck.

Speaker 2 (41:04):
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Speaker 1 (41:16):
Fox Sports Radio. The Jason Smith Show with My best
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Night in the NFL Hall of Fame class at twenty
twenty five has been announced. Jared Allen, Eric Allen, Sterling,
Sharp Antonio Gates, no Eli Manning. Meanwhile, Josh Allen wins

(41:38):
NFL MVP over Lamar Jackson in a really close vote.
And here's the interesting part that goes into what I
said about how sometimes the vote goes. It's a lifetime
achievement award. They want, you know, we want to give
Josh Allen an award because we've already given it to
Lamar Jackson twice. Lamar Jackson was all pro and Josh
Allen wasn't sure. Same voters, same voters for all pro

(42:00):
and Hall of and and MVP. And yet the vote
changed so much that Josh Allen beats Lamar Jackson. So wait,
so Lamar Jackson's all pro, but he can't be MVP.
So tell me there wasn't some sort of I want
to give Josh Allen the MVP. Tell me there wasn't
a little bit about that. Well, I mean it's not
a you know, a life life lifetime original movie in this.

(42:22):
I mean maybe one his stats. The other is, you know,
looking at it from some other prism. Let's find out
what prism that could be because joining us now is
a guy who busted out of the NFL honor ceremony
to talk to us here on the show.

Speaker 3 (42:37):
He is a pro Football Hall of Fame voter. We'll
get to the Hall of Fame in a minute.

Speaker 1 (42:41):
It is thirty thirdeen NFL analyst insider Jason Call.

Speaker 3 (42:44):
What's happening? Buddy?

Speaker 4 (42:47):
Life is beautiful, Buddy, beautiful?

Speaker 3 (42:50):
All right?

Speaker 4 (42:50):
So you're at the man. What you think this is
going to be? That's what I'm sure you're that's you
just keep up. Is like we're gonna get the leader
of the anti Manning group.

Speaker 1 (43:05):
Well he's not a cowboy though, j Cole. So I mean,
you know that's not part of the ultimate. Okay, So
the other night, let's start with this then if this
is where you want to start, we'll get to the
MVP in a minute.

Speaker 4 (43:19):
Eli, you know I don't have an MVP.

Speaker 3 (43:22):
Bet No, I know you don't. I was still gonna
blame you.

Speaker 4 (43:24):
That's okay, that's fine, Okay, we know the ground rules
coming in.

Speaker 1 (43:29):
So Hall of Fame votes did not go Eli Manning's way.
You told us the other night it was the biggest
debate about Eli Manning and his Pro Football Hall of
Fame candidacy, Yes or no? Did this come down to
Eli Manning's a Hall of Famer? But boy, some people
just didn't want to put him in on the first ballot.
I will vote for him next year, but you know,

(43:51):
the other guys are first ballot Hall of famers.

Speaker 3 (43:53):
They deserve it a lot more.

Speaker 4 (43:56):
I wouldn't necessarily say that I think there are I
think that there's that's the middle ground. They'll probably get
in at some point. And I think there's some who
don't think he's a Hall of Famer at all. So
I don't know how many there are out there, But

(44:18):
you know, like you get forty nine people, you get
forty nine different opinions. I will say that in my
own research, when I surveyed four hundred and sixteen people
have played in the NFL for you know, ten to
fifteen years, coach in the NFL, or elecuts in the NFL,
I mean twenty six of those were Hall of famers.

(44:40):
Elle finished. Manning finished fourth on that ballot with less
than like forty four percent of the support. So this
was not a great like this is not a great
group like Antonio Gates was first to sixty eight percent.
He was easily the number one candidate, and then you
got to like Vinetieri and Kikley and then it dropped

(45:02):
down to Eli. When you're a first ballot guy, first
ballot guys gets sixty minimum. If not, you know, seventy
five eighty nine. Eli Manning is not his brother, not
by a long stretch of the imagination. You just say
his names sit down, and the discussions over Eli's especially

(45:23):
when you put him up and neck up against other
quarterbacks of the same era playing under the same rules.
You know, he lags behind a lot. I mean, there's
no MVP votes in there. Anywhere there's like three, you know,
or four Pro Bowl appearances. There's I don't know if
there's a single All Pro in there. So I mean

(45:46):
there's some magical moments.

Speaker 3 (45:49):
Yeah, but in Super.

Speaker 1 (45:51):
Bowl there's two game drives and two times beating Tom Brady.
That's a pretty big deal.

Speaker 4 (45:55):
Yeah, it is a pretty big deal, and it may
get him in the Hall of Fame. But some guys
have to wait, and that's okay. You know, Like I
don't understand the there are other guys on this ballot
who I think were better players than than Eli Manning
who didn't get in, like Luke Keickley, better player than

(46:18):
Eli Manning. Marshall Gander's resume screams Hall of Fame. But
you guys think don't want to talk about those guys
because you know they're linebackers and offensive blindman.

Speaker 1 (46:32):
I go back to this, jakel when I think about it,
to to make it not to get too wrapped up
and stuff, is that you can't tell the story of
the NFL without Eli Manning, and it without Eli Antonio Gas.

Speaker 3 (46:47):
You can tell this some of those other guys.

Speaker 4 (46:50):
I've never Yeah, I've never heard that arguing before.

Speaker 3 (46:54):
Maybe I should have been in that room.

Speaker 4 (46:56):
Yeah, maybe you should have. Let's get a vote at it,
go work at it.

Speaker 3 (47:01):
So I can't.

Speaker 1 (47:04):
I didn't vote for each year for the Baseball Hall
of Fame. I'm gonna come in here and screw this
one up too, exactly.

Speaker 4 (47:11):
No, I mean, I get your point, And I'm not
saying that he's not a Hall of Famer. I'm not
in that camp. But I'm also not in the camp
where it's like, oh, you know he did this and
these super Bowls and you know, just took him in automatically.
I just as I have said. I said this many

(47:31):
many times about Eli. Eli held up his end of
the bargain in New York. The two Super Bowls, the
performances in the playoffs, everything he did are just exemplary work. Absolutely,
But there's a lot of his career where he played
on a Sunday like he had just woken up from

(47:52):
a mega tugger at the frat house the night before,
and like it could be great. It give me five touchdowns,
and it could also be five interceptions. You know, there's
a lot of years in there that it's like, it's
just not spectacular. And when you put it up against
like Drew Brees and Aaron Rodgers and Tom Brady and

(48:16):
Ben Roethlisberg and a lot of other guys, the consistency
of level plays not there. And I think that that's
representative of how the room felt. I'm not the only
guy voted, and I vote for him this year because
I thought there were better guys on the ballot. But
I think he's going to get in. I mean, bub grief,

(48:37):
he had to wait for five or six years, and
he went back to back Super Bowls and you went
to three straight. Yeah, it's a different era. I get it,
but get I understand the history and all that other argument,
it just doesn't quite measure up in totality.

Speaker 1 (48:54):
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Speaker 3 (49:11):
Archie having that conversation with Eli right now, I.

Speaker 4 (49:14):
Am, I am, I'm actually leaving that discussion.

Speaker 3 (49:17):
You're going to lead that discussion tonight. And then the
John L. Way book that we've talked about. I actually
have just mailed a Jack L.

Speaker 1 (49:25):
Waycard that I found in my collection to Jason Coles
for busterity and as a bookmark. All right, so four
guys get in Eric Allen nineteen years Sterling Sharp the
Senior Committee. Why did how did we not get to
five guys? And you know, content, a lot of people.

Speaker 4 (49:46):
Don't a lot of people don't understand. They changed the
voting procedures this year. So it used to be that
you'd got fifteen guys on the ballot. You went from
fifteen to ten, and then you went from ten to five,
and then it was simply a thumbs up or thumbs
down on the last five guys and usually essentially became
a rubber stamp. What they did this year because there

(50:06):
were complaints from some of the guys in the Hall
of Fame that they were putting too many guys in
the Hall of Fame. They essentially said, you know, and
complaints about the Hall of Very Good.

Speaker 1 (50:18):
Was there too many fights because they weren't getting the
same dollars for inscriptions, because too many guys were getting the.

Speaker 3 (50:24):
Hall of Fame.

Speaker 4 (50:24):
Yeah, your boy Eric Dickerson was leaving that fight. No,
it's there were complaints, you know by some of the
guys who you know, we were in the Hall of
Fame that the honor wasn't as special, and so they
wanted to make it harder to get in. So once
you got to seven, we had a final vote and

(50:48):
you could vote for up to five guys to get in.
That person, whoever was had to get eighty percent of
the vote. So if you do some simple math and
he split up the votes a little bit, it's really
hard to get more than three guys. You know, they've

(51:09):
made it really, really hard and I didn't think the
problem was with the modern year guys. I thought the
problem was with the Senior Committee guys who had all
all had twenty years to get in. That was my
personal opinion. And only one of those guys got in
this year. That was Stirling Sharp, out of five guys.
And it was even harder on the five because out

(51:30):
of the five, he could only vote for three. So
like Mike homwrand didn't make it this year. And I
think this was like Mike Homeland like that, Like to me,
that was easy. That's been like a no brainer, like
especially when you consider like Coward just got in a
few years ago. I mean, Hongan, you know, laps Cower

(51:52):
in terms of impact on the league and h and
just everything that he did. And I mean, it's it's
just kind of silly my viewpoint. But that's when you
put in these new rules. That's what happened. And I
don't think that they've sort of beta tested these new
rules to find out how it was going to come out,
and this is, you know, this is the result. I'll

(52:14):
say this. We looked at the Hall of Fame, seOne
tickets on those four guys for.

Speaker 3 (52:21):
That ceremony, Packer fans all over the place.

Speaker 1 (52:24):
And before we get MVP, I just want to point
out that you said, look, Eli's not Teyton, he doesn't
get in the Hall of Fame. Sterling's not Shinn and
then he got in the Hall of Fame. So may
a goal both plays for you there, Jacoble. Yeah, now
you waited twenty six years to get there.

Speaker 3 (52:40):
That's fine, and next year's.

Speaker 4 (52:42):
An okay, Okay, in twenty six years. If Eli Manning
is not in the Hall of Fame, okay, right now,
he didn't get in tonight, so stop your crying and
the man, I mean curiously, Like you know, man, I
think you're a great player, and he may have his.

Speaker 1 (53:04):
Moments a very good player. You think he's a very
good player like that?

Speaker 4 (53:10):
Yes, I do think he's a very good player. I
also think he's a great player. To keep at it, okay.

Speaker 1 (53:16):
All right, well let's go here now, because I know
you didn't vote. Well, you're very defensive. I think maybe
you think you made the wrong choice. I think maybe
that's what's happening to you here.

Speaker 3 (53:27):
Right now.

Speaker 1 (53:28):
Take us, take us behind this, because this is becoming
a thing now. Lamar Jackson is the gets all pro,
same voters for all pro, same voters for MVP. First
time since twenty twelve, the all pro quarterback doesn't win,
doesn't win the MVP. How do how do people change
their votes from all pro? Enough people from all pro

(53:50):
to MVP. I feel like there's a lot of guys
that simply wanted to give Josh Allen the MVP, so
they did.

Speaker 4 (53:58):
I guess, yeah, hard hitting it, Alice, there it is.
I guess Okay, I mean, well, I I told you
I don't vote to that award, right and I didn't
talk to anybody about that award.

Speaker 3 (54:13):
And it's still your fault.

Speaker 1 (54:14):
You're on with us now exactly we blame you.

Speaker 4 (54:20):
I don't. I don't have a look.

Speaker 3 (54:23):
But if you but if you did have a boat.

Speaker 4 (54:26):
Combination of justice happened March. Look at what you've done.
I don't. I don't. I don't have a vote. But
you have part of this.

Speaker 3 (54:35):
You're part of the machine.

Speaker 4 (54:37):
I don't. I don't. I don't have the vote. I
literally don't. I don't have a vote. Okay, think I don't.

Speaker 3 (54:46):
And if you had to choose, if you had to choose,
if I if.

Speaker 4 (54:50):
You had to choose, would you've done the Obamas. We
know you would have done it. We need you on
that wall. I mean whatever I'm dropping in the nickel. Yeah,
I don't get it either. It's not really logical to me.
But I will say, at the end of the day,
I thought, this is as close an MVP race as

(55:11):
I've ever seen. It's like when Peyton and McNair tied.
This is pretty close. So maybe this is the way
of settling it. I don't really buy that. I thought
at the end of the day, if I had the vote,
I would have voted for Lamar Jackson. But man, that
would have been really hard because I thought that Josh
Allen had probably done more with less and had improved

(55:37):
in all the significant ways. So I might have ended
up voting for Josh Allen too. But I'll say this,
if I had voted for one for m v P,
I probably would have voted for him for First Team
All Pro. Yeah, like, I think that that would have
been consistent. So yeah, I agree with you on that one.
You win that argument.

Speaker 1 (55:56):
He is a profession Hall of Fame voter. He is
also a voter for MVP in the NFL. He's a
Hall of Fame voter for Major League Baseball. He votes
for All Pro in the NFL as well.

Speaker 4 (56:10):
I'm the guy who voted against Iron Guy and he
votes for the Oscars.

Speaker 1 (56:15):
It's chasing Cole. J Cole is always by. Thanks for
hopping out. Really appreciate it.

Speaker 3 (56:20):
Man. We'll talk to you. Enjoy the game this week.
See buddy, There it goes, Jay Cole. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (56:26):
That's the thing to get into now, is how Josh
Allen wins when people change their votes.

Speaker 3 (56:31):
Apparently