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Speaker 1 (00:29):
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buying should be. Well, here we are halftime of the
end the only NBA playoff game tonight. We'll get to
that coming up in a couple minutes. Oklahoma City. He
leads Denver sixty one to fifty eight. But my big
three part four day plan has finally been unleashed, and

(01:12):
already I have succeeded my Big three part four day plan.
Day one, Hurricanes go to the Eastern Conference Finals. Check
Day two, Knicks go to the Eastern Conference Finals. TBA
TBA tight Shirt, We don't know. We got to wait
on me.

Speaker 3 (01:30):
No, I'm signing it in.

Speaker 1 (01:32):
You're putting him in? Are you're putting out? Okay? Baby?
You know I'll call Adam Silver. We don't need to
play the game Alex tight Shirt, who doesn't really know
what sport. The next play says the Knicks are in
the Eastern Conference Final.

Speaker 3 (01:42):
You don't have to tell him that first part.

Speaker 1 (01:44):
Well, I want to say, like, you know, you're coming
at it from like you're not biased or anything. It's like, hey,
he doesn't even know, but he's putting them in.

Speaker 3 (01:50):
So nonsports sports perspective you need.

Speaker 1 (01:52):
That's right. You should be you know in twenty twenty five,
in ten years, if you became commissioner of a sports league,
I would not be surprised. What was your what was
your what was your big thing in your In your interview,
I told him I didn't really know sports all that well,
and they hired me.

Speaker 4 (02:07):
You start your interview off with I'm better than Manfred.

Speaker 1 (02:11):
I don't hire you. That's kind of easy, though, that's
not hard to beat, right, I don't know know, but
I mean that. I think the guy would sit there
and you say I'm better than manfre would go You
know how many resumes I got here a guy saying
they're better than Manfred.

Speaker 4 (02:24):
Ran better than Manfred?

Speaker 1 (02:26):
How do you how do you see? You know, you
know how many other people came and sat in that
chair today and told me they were better than Manfred
every single But you wear the minimum of thirty fifth
in the last half hour. How do you stay?

Speaker 4 (02:36):
I think Manfred goes on interviews saying the same thing,
aren't you Rob Manford?

Speaker 1 (02:41):
No, no, not me? And I want another job away
from baseball because I hate it.

Speaker 4 (02:44):
And then he lets out a fart and they don't
hire him. Oh because the guy doing the hiring smelled,
you know, ketch up and onions.

Speaker 1 (02:53):
I really wonder if how many people have had that
happen to them. Yeah, I ripped a big fart in
the interview and I didn't get the job like I
thought it was to get it. And then I farted
and I didn't get the job. I wonder I really
wanted that out because there's nothing you can do, especially
if you know odoriferously. It gets out there. It's like, okay,
the guy doing or the person doing the interviewing, No,
it's not them, Okay, so it must be you, And

(03:14):
all right, you let one go. All right, let me
put him check mark next to your name here, guys
to eliminate. So three part plans. So today, the Hurricanes,
tomorrow the next to the Eastern Conference Finals Sunday, a
three day met sweep of the Yankee. Everything. I'm like
an evil person from a from a James Bond movie.
Everything is going according to plans mega books. I bet

(03:38):
all my evil plans. I'm feeling pretty good right now.
I'm waiting Saturday night, when the Mets have won the
first two against the Yankees. They're gonna want to approach
me about paying me out. I'm gonna say, okay, pay
me out in McDonald's.

Speaker 4 (03:49):
Mobile, McDonald's, pay me out in mobile McDonald's McDonalds.

Speaker 1 (03:56):
I wonder if I could win that, Like, could you
win that somehow?

Speaker 4 (04:00):
Like if you beat Donald Trump up? Maybe if if you.

Speaker 1 (04:02):
Like no, but if you like cut out enough boxtops
or some box tops or like you know, save all them, like, uh,
I used to do it in the eighties with the
because Pam's grandpa had Oh my goodness, Pam's grandpa used
to smoke Marlboro reds right like yo, yeah, Like he
smoked Marble reds. And if you saved enough of the
I was like either the coupon code or something off

(04:23):
of the cartons of cigarettes. If you saved enough, you
got one of those like calfskin tan jackets with like
the really like with the sheep skin on the inside
and the leather on the outside, and you look like
you're you know, hey, I'm I'm I'm I run an
oil rig or I'm working outdoors in Texas, like like
he got one of those because he smoked so many,
so many Marlboro cigarettes, he was able to exchange them

(04:46):
in and able to get that jacket. I remember going
to visit them, like one of the first times when
I went back to Michigan and I said, oh, I
would have tried this jacket on it. They're like, yeah,
that's Grandpa's Marlboro jacket, Like oh yeah, And I put
them on, like, oh my god, this thing stinks. I
can't even wear it.

Speaker 4 (05:03):
I've known you the how long Jason, and I had
no idea. Pam's dad was the Marborough man.

Speaker 1 (05:07):
No grandpa, grandpa, no pa, No, Pam's dad doesn't know
her grandpa. Like it was like he was like he
was like a chain smoker. Like it was like it
was a smoke and then it was, you know, another
cigarette burning on the end of it. But man, he
had enough for all those box tops to get that jacket.
I was like, I'll wear this, but it's got to
be dry cleaned like three times. I be like like,
it's like this has to go through and then I'm

(05:27):
gonna put it. But I just cleaned it for you. No, no,
you had to do it again. I'll come back and
get it on Saturday. And then I come back Saturday.
Say no, one more time. I'm gonna smell it. It's
got to go back one more time. That's how it's
gonna go. So my three part plan is work. Well.

Speaker 4 (05:39):
Speaking of the Marborough man, Jason, he's here now, So.

Speaker 1 (05:43):
Marlboro man is here. Smoke.

Speaker 5 (05:45):
Oh, there he is.

Speaker 1 (05:47):
There's my Carmen.

Speaker 5 (05:48):
There's I had that clothing too. I was trying to
get it out of the dry cleaning. Okay, they did
not want to give it back. They said that's been outlawed.

Speaker 1 (05:57):
Oh okay, all right, just just you know, just make
sure you get there. You know you have the stuff
for the right thing.

Speaker 5 (06:03):
Well sometimes you know, you had to have the shame
you walked in with marble clothing and they're like, we
can't you just go down the street and get something else.
It's like, why are your parents sending you here advertising
for cigarettes? Like free food, free uh, free merch and
and they smoked so they earned it.

Speaker 1 (06:18):
Do me a favor. Run down to the corner, get
grandma a pack of cigarettes. Door. Just tell them who
you are, tell me my grandson. He'll sell them to you.
But I don't know about that grandma. Now he knows me.
It's fine. Just tell them who you are. He'll know
it's for me. Bring it back and everything'll be fine.
Just were you watching me.

Speaker 5 (06:34):
As a child, because that's exactly what used to happen. Nah,
they know you. And then i'd get a couple of
packs of baseball cards to really throw things off.

Speaker 1 (06:43):
But I think he's smoking because look he's he's he's
not very tall. He must be doing something to stunt
his growth. He must be going back and smoking all
these things before he gets them back home.

Speaker 5 (06:51):
He must keep telling everybody watched Charlie huffcards for reasons.

Speaker 1 (06:55):
He's clipping a pack out of that. That's my fee.
I go down to get the UH cart and said,
it's I got one pack, all right, it's the big
viev uh So second half underway between the Thunder and
the Nuggets sixty two to sixty one, Denver with the lead.
The big story in this game so far tonight uh
Shake Gildess Alexander leading the way for the Thunder to

(07:17):
no one's surprise with fourteen points, but also surprise in
a game in which Shake Gildess Alexander and the Thunder
can go to the Western Conference Finals or the Nuggets
can keep it alive with a win at home. Somehow,
Shake Gildess Alexander, who has not fouled out of a
game this year, yeah, has four fouls in the first half.

(07:41):
I don't know how that happens. I don't know, I
really I don't. I don't know how. Jalen Brunson, who's
fouled out of one game all year, fouls out of
a game early in the fourth quarter against South I
don't know, man, I don't know how it is I
expect it. I don't know. I just I just accept it. Now.
I've gotten to the point where, Okay, I feel like
I've just been beaten down. You've made me accept this

(08:01):
over a long period of time about how NBA officiating
and the playoffs are going to go and series being
extended to the player. Okay, I'm just gonna accept it now.
I accepted Brunson last night. I accepted Towns with four
fouls in the first four seconds of the game, and
I'll accept Shade Gildess Alexander with four fouls tonight in
a game in which the Thunder can win and go

(08:21):
to the Western Conference Final.

Speaker 5 (08:22):
Jason, it's the acceptance, just like all of those folks
told you to do after the draft lottery.

Speaker 1 (08:27):
There is nothing to see here.

Speaker 5 (08:29):
There's statistically one point eight percent chance that this could happen.
And if you go in the last forty years, every
time there was a generational player or opportunity to resurrect
the franchise involved Tada.

Speaker 1 (08:42):
It worked.

Speaker 5 (08:43):
But there's no conspiracy, nothing to see here. Likewise, in
this situation, hey man, it's just the officials are calling
them the way they see them. Like Rick Flair used
to talk about Tommy Young. I don't like him, but
he calls them like he sees them. So all of
a sudden, those handsy guards and the these big closeout moments,
all those reaching falls that they probably should have been

(09:04):
called for all year long, Tada, there they are on
this night. I mean, does that fourth fall on Shay
Gildess Alexander pretty clear fall? But I bet if we
went through the subruder film of eighty two regular season games,
probably got away with that a couple hundred times.

Speaker 1 (09:21):
I'm sure. I mean, look, this is and it's not
even like the stages of grief. I've just said, you
know what, fine, I'm accepting this. I find you know,
I kind of feel like this way right, Like Michael Fabiano,
big big fantasy sports inside it, but I've known him
for you know, a dozen years now, Like he's he's
the worst fantasy trader in the world, right, Like what
he does for to all, he tries to low ball

(09:42):
you all the time, like yeah, no, oh, you should
right try to get at least some value, right right exactly? Hillo, Wait, okay,
but what he does is he is relentless he is
relent Like every day he will text you, I really
I want Lad mcconki. I'm not training Lad mcconki. Come on,
I'll give you this, this and this. No, I don't
want that. What about this? The No, I don't want
so and so. Oh but if I change so and

(10:02):
so to this, let's do let No, I'm not training
Land mcconaki. For that, you'd have to give me a
better player. No, this is the offer. Okay, the next day,
So what about that offer for Land McConkie. I'm like, dude,
come on. And there's the point where I feel like
at times, I'm like okay, And I know people are
like this in fantasy. I'm just gonna do the trade
so they'll stop approaching me with trades. I don't want

(10:23):
to wake up to another to I'll just do. I'll
just do a trade just so I can be done.
I've accepted that he's never gonna leave me alone until
I make a trade. Maybe that's why you win so
many fantasy leagues. But I've accepted that. I'm just gonna
make this trade now, even though I don't want to.
I don't want to keep going back and forth on
this trade, right, And that's kind of where I am
with the officiating NBA playoffs right for years has been
how can you do this? I don't understand how players

(10:45):
who really don't commit fouls are suddenly in foul trouble
early in a game. And sometimes it's as simple as
giving a guy two quick ones, right, and then you
don't need to you don't need to call anything for
a while because for the rest of the game or
the rest of the first half, they are playing as
less aggressively than they would because they don't want to
get that third foul. Sometimes Hey, quick whistle, quick whistle,

(11:06):
and we just and we see it. And there's so
many times, like it's been like fifteen or twenty years
now of big time physical and visual evidence and guys
like Scott Foster getting assigned to extend series. Like I'm
really I'm at the point where I'm just like, you
know what, it's no use fighting it anymore because it's
just gonna happen. And when you get to a point
where a team is up three to two and a

(11:27):
team is playing and then the team losing is playing
at home, it's a three to one series and the
team is playing at home. Guess who's gonna get the calls?
And guess whose players are gonna wind up in foul
trouble when they're never in foul troubled all all season again.
Jalen brunts and Shake Gildess Alexander two of the top
five players in the NBA brunts and fouls out last
night with the Nicks up three to one and the
Celtics playing at home, and you got SGA four fouls

(11:48):
in the first half when the Nuggets are playing at
home with a chance to tie the series and send
it to Game seven. I've accepted it. I've just accepted
it and we can move on.

Speaker 5 (11:57):
But to be fair, doesn't it add just an extra
layer of drama and angst?

Speaker 1 (12:02):
Right? I mean, you know you're alive.

Speaker 5 (12:04):
You get the endorphin rush of man, they called another foul?
How's this gonna play out? When's number five? How long
does he have to sit? All the drama? Maybe you
had a prop bet on one of the guys on
the bench. I don't know all of those Look I'm
not Draymond Green. I can say it. So all of
those things is to say, you know, it gives that
added level of chaos, which as I always tell you,

(12:24):
I love chaos in between the white lines.

Speaker 1 (12:26):
The rest of society follow the rules, damn it.

Speaker 5 (12:29):
But inside the white lines of sporting, let's figure out
where the edges are and run with him. And if
it gives us some great conspiracy theories and nonsense to
talk about, then we win.

Speaker 1 (12:40):
We win.

Speaker 5 (12:40):
But certainly, two guards suddenly in deep foul trouble early
in games, all you can do is just nod and
go yep. Just like the revival of King of the Hill,
I expect a lot of guys standing around going yep.
And that's exactly what we're getting here.

Speaker 1 (12:58):
I mean, really, that's where I'm at. I like to see,
here's the thing. And this maybe tells me, like am
I getting too old now that I'm just accepting this,
like I'm not one of the Hey, let's go and
let's protest, and let's do something, and let's write letters
and let's make phone calls and call your congressman to
find out why the official of the NBA playoffs is
not great. You don't have to go, you just call
Rick Carlisle. I'm sure he's talking about it, all.

Speaker 4 (13:18):
Right, Jason. At least your players want to be there,
unlike Caleb Williams.

Speaker 1 (13:22):
Yeah. No, Well, listen, we'll get to Caleb Williams. I
mean I was saving Caleb Williams, buddy, saving that.

Speaker 5 (13:26):
I told you I didn't blame him. I told you
I didn't blame him. But we'll get to that all
of some of the other stuff. Shut your mouth. But
in terms of you know, this type of type of
atmosphere and officials making themselves part of the game, it's inevitable, right,
We lament it every time we get into the NC

(13:50):
double A conference we get a conference tournament for one, right,
there's always that suspect call of a team that's on
the fringe. I don't know, they get one round for
they're in the conference conference tournament. Maybe they'll get an
outside chance at getting off the bubble and getting in,
and all of a sudden, you have a couple of
calls at the final final minutes, or maybe it's a

(14:12):
no show effort after halftime by the higher seeded squad.
Then we get to the NBA playoffs and we see
this where there are minutes where it's like you can
do pretty much everything you can do, running shoulder tackles
like you're ed Reid in the secondary and nobody gives
a damn. But then you reach and even if I
mean that fall on Jokisch right not to take it

(14:32):
away from the guards for a moment. But all he
did was standing the guy's way and impat his progress.

Speaker 1 (14:38):
Did he touch you? No?

Speaker 5 (14:40):
But it goes down as a fall. Why that wasn't challenged?
And if that comes back to hauntum, then Adalmanton is
no longer your temporary coach. He's back in the unemployment line.
But for these the officials, yeah, we just can't wait.
And maybe it's because we have a bigger magnifying glass
out waiting to jump on with baited breath, every move

(15:02):
and every bit of minutia in the playoffs because the
margins are so narrow. I just like it. I think
it's just our safe space to complain and nothing has
to be affected, right, Adam, Silver's not gonna acknowledge it.
You might get a typed up two minute report saying
me sorry, hanging on your wall.

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Speaker 1 (16:58):
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one hours away from Game.

Speaker 5 (17:04):
Six, countdown clock in the Smith household, Ben Stiller is
already here in the red carpet.

Speaker 1 (17:11):
Had to get here before shallow May, shallow may.

Speaker 4 (17:14):
Alright, So Game seven is Sunday.

Speaker 1 (17:16):
Stop, just stop. We're going to the Eastern Conference Finals tomorrow.
It's a big day, Frostburg. It's a really really big day.

Speaker 4 (17:22):
And what happens when you poop that's.

Speaker 1 (17:25):
Also a big day. It's a big morning. Actually, I
start off with a start her from the morning. Great,
I feel good, ready to exact.

Speaker 5 (17:30):
To day the morning constitutional yes, very good.

Speaker 4 (17:33):
When I said that, I meant like the royal we
you and the.

Speaker 1 (17:36):
Next oh, I thought you met like in the beginning.

Speaker 4 (17:39):
No, no, no, no, no no.

Speaker 5 (17:40):
We leave an extra plate of chicken wings to the
side tomorrow so you can't console himself.

Speaker 1 (17:45):
You know what I read? You know what I read
and what seems to me back. I mean, I'm not
a doctor, but dude, I read all the time. I'm
not a doctor, but I read this that if you
sleep on your left side for the majority of the night,
you will wake up more likely to have a morning
constitutional Who paid for this study on your left side?
On your left side? I mean, I don't know. I
guess I was sleep on your left side. Man. All

(18:07):
I gotta do is go to the bathroom. Slept on
my right side. Haven't gone to the bathroom in a week.
I don't know what's happening here.

Speaker 5 (18:12):
That seems like an awful lot of government waste.

Speaker 4 (18:15):
But yeah, who reads the Constitution in the morning?

Speaker 1 (18:20):
Uh? Well, while we still have it? I read it,
so it's it's all good.

Speaker 3 (18:24):
Do we still have it?

Speaker 4 (18:25):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (18:25):
Yeah, yeah, I looked.

Speaker 5 (18:26):
It's it's still in eighte seven seven.

Speaker 1 (18:28):
It's still behind me, behind glass. Yeah yeah, at the
Pentagon it's still there, is it?

Speaker 3 (18:32):
Not like just Tupac Now it's just a hologram.

Speaker 4 (18:34):
It's you're supposed to break the glass in the case
of an emergency.

Speaker 1 (18:38):
It's a holog Isn't that what he did in one
of those National Treasure movies, Like he stole the Constitution from.

Speaker 3 (18:44):
Like right, yeah, this Cage, right yeah, Cage.

Speaker 1 (18:48):
Come on, don't give me Nick Cage tight shirt, like
you didn't know it was Nick Cage.

Speaker 3 (18:51):
I did not Harvey.

Speaker 1 (18:53):
All you do is break Nick Cage is your entire life.
How do you know? What do you mean you didn't
know that?

Speaker 3 (18:57):
Of course I thought it could.

Speaker 5 (18:58):
Have you ever picked people up a bar claiming to
be Nick Cage's kid or Nick.

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I'm gonna zag on this because you know, Tysher brought
up a pretty interesting thing here. The first bits of

(19:25):
video film evidence are out of Nicholas Cage's John Madden, right,
the big you know, the big John Madden movie that's
gonna come out that deals with his later life. At
the beginning of the video game, It's like, hey, you know,
we could do our own social network, you know, yeah,
let's do that. Yeah, to'll be our own social network. About
the beginning of the Madden game. Yeah, our own big shorts.
What we're gonna do. And when I saw this, I'm like,

(19:47):
you've got to be kidding me. Nick Cage is John. Like,
I've seen Nick Cage be good and things. I've also
seen him be absolutely terrible. And I mean not in
not in like, uh, you know, in karaoke bars, like,
but I've seen him be absolutely terrible, and he's kind
of a caricature of himself. But I was thinking about

(20:10):
this today and I'm like, well, Madden kind of became
a caricature of himself because he became the video game guy.
This is not like the entire life of John Madden.
This is Madden at the end of his coaching career
and into the beginning of the video game. And I'm like, Okay,
he was kind of a larger than life guy. He
would the way he would tell me people remember him
being on the air, and crazy things he would say

(20:32):
that seem crazy back then now seem pretty tame, but hey,
he was the first of the real superstar TV analysts.
So he comes on, he does his own thing, and
he starts as his Cottage Industry video game. And that's
kind of what this movie is gonna take place on.
And all of a sudden, I stopped and I go,
more than I think about it, Nicholas Cage is the
absolute perfect choice to play him, right, I mean they

(20:55):
have him dressed up crazy, right, they got kay he
looks like Jason Cole. Yeah, they got him with the
well okay, sure, they got him in the you know,
in the blue pants. And I'm like, you know what,
I started thinking, I'm going, wait a minute, this is genius.
Does he may be like the perfect guy to play
John Madden? Like I wonder if the director or the

(21:16):
you know, the the company that was putting this movie
out said hey, I called me crazy, just let's just
have a meeting here. But I think it's Nicholas Cage.
Do you want to hear me out? Hear me out,
hear me out, hear me out. No, No, hear me out,
hear me out. Okay, because that's kind of what Nick
Cage is. And I'll tell you I'm now I'm excited.
I wasn't excited to see it, But now the more
I think about it and think about the kind of character,

(21:37):
what they're gonna do. You know, the part of John
Madden's life they're dealing with where he became this big
media star and and and and started video game. Like, Okay,
I think Nicholas Cage is the best guy to play him.
Now the big thing for me is gonna be can
I get past the famous guy playing another famous guy?

Speaker 5 (21:54):
Right?

Speaker 1 (21:55):
Am I ever gonna get past that? This is Nick
Cage playing John Madden? Right, Like Austin Butler was so
unknown when he played Elvis, and he looked like he
was like, Wow, Austin Butler, he was Elvis, right, Like, Okay,
you kind of need somebody unknown, Like, am I gonna
get past that? Oh? It's Nick Cage playing John madd
That's my one big fear, because it would be for anybody,
no matter how good you are, in a role, like,

(22:15):
Am I going to get past that? But I can't
believe I come around to the fact that I think
Nick Cage is now the perfect choice to play things.
I didn't think i'd say, like four months ago, when
this thing came out. He's the perfect guy to play John.

Speaker 5 (22:25):
Matt But what's interesting, right, is, and we've seen some
video of the coaching career of John Madden. Well, what's
normally over the top of it John Facenda's voice. Right,
there's not a lot of Hey here, here's the footage
of him talking and motivating whatever. There's some but generally
not what is thrust forward. It's the later career where
we watch him and his animated self in a booth.

(22:48):
Plus the game of course. But up against what Pat
summerl was pass god, you know, and all that and
you know, murder she wrote thing else. But we think
about all of our our best and brightest, most successful,
uh and most well known of sports media personalities. I

(23:09):
mean Dick Vitale leaned into the diaper dandy and catchphrases
and everything else, Bill Raftery into onions and all you
waited for it. When's he gonna say it? What's the
over under that we get one? You know that kind
of thing, uh, all the way through and you can
pick and choose the rest of your favorites.

Speaker 1 (23:26):
But all that to say, yeah, Nick Cage.

Speaker 5 (23:29):
Coming over the top, I'm all in. I still haven't
gotten through that thing he did with Pedro Pascal, but
uh well, I'll get to that eventually. That that was
kind of an odd movie, and I think I needed
to be in the right altered state to watch it.

Speaker 1 (23:44):
So that the movies, that is the best way to
watch them, which I'm not I'm not condoning anything, but
sometimes those of the best ways to watch if if
you're altered, if you're altered, somehow to watch a Nick
Cage movie. Finest Talents, Oh boy, fate Wow favorite Nick Cage?

Speaker 4 (24:04):
Oh no, I'm on drug.

Speaker 1 (24:06):
Oh oh no, I just said altered. I didn't say
what that meant. It could be too much dia.

Speaker 4 (24:11):
Coke wasn't born yesterday.

Speaker 5 (24:12):
It could be too much diaconke beer beer beer beer
beau or whatever the hell Willie Nelson is shilling these days.

Speaker 1 (24:18):
Like if I was doing this movie, I would say, Okay,
I gotta see if Frank Caliendo can act. If he
can act, the role is his right, But I don't know,
like he's a comedian, because if Frank Kellio connect, he's
John Madden, right, I would say, okay, this is John Maddith.
I have no problem seeing that this is John Matt,
But I don't know what I would bring him in.
Get a screen test? And do you think he screen tested?

(24:39):
You think you might have, like Frank Kelly, Hey, this
is my role.

Speaker 5 (24:42):
I think he's been doing that bit long enough that
they needed a new face.

Speaker 4 (24:46):
What part of the movie? Yeah, speaking of new face,
what part of the movie? Does his face come off
in this one?

Speaker 5 (24:51):
Oh?

Speaker 6 (24:51):
Wow?

Speaker 1 (24:52):
Well here's the thing. Well, I don't want to tell you,
so I know a spoiler alert. At the midway point
of the movie, he and Pat Summer all change faces
and it's real really cool to see. Yeah, oh yeah, yeah,
Travult is great. Merton Hanks still on his feet. Bam.
Heck of a play like that's what that's what happens.
It gets really baby gets where'd that truck come from?

(25:14):
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out of the NFL, this story that is going to
fuel us tonight next week, the week after the preseason

(25:37):
and into the regular season, Seth Wickersham ESPN any any
time a story begins, Seth wickers we go, oh boy,
somebody said something that they don't want out there.

Speaker 7 (25:47):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (25:48):
The famous ESPN centric author has a book coming out
which he chronicles what it's like to be a quarterback
at different levels of football. Right it's called American Biography
of the Quarterback. He deals with quarterbacks in high school, college,
and the NFL. And part of this book offers an

(26:10):
inside look into Caleb Williams state of mind about getting
drafted by the Bears last year. And already there is
a bombshell of stuff in this book that Seth Wickersham
wrote that illustrates some of, but not all, of the
following things regarding Caleb Williams and going number one overall

(26:31):
to the Bears Number one. Caleb Williams was so concerned
about being picked by the Bears he and his family
weighed circumventing the entire draft. They talked with lawyers try
to figure out a way around the collective bargaining agreement
while they considered signing with the United Football League and
after a year becoming a free agent and being to
signed and being able to sign wherever you want to.

(26:53):
Quote from Carl Williams, Chicago is the place quarterbacks go
to die. That's leading up to the months before the
NFL Draft, Caleb Williams wondering aloud to other people and
people he sought their council for quote. Do I want
to go there? I don't think I can do it
with Waldron. This is just a part of what has
been thrown out there for Caleb Williams with the Bears.

(27:18):
There's more things with Carl Williams meant maybe not Carl
the truth Williams.

Speaker 5 (27:24):
He's telling.

Speaker 1 (27:26):
He really wanted to give Caleb Williams a chance to
choose his future employer. Told several agents, I don't want
my son playing for the Bears again. Looked into labor
lawyers and agents to try to see if I could
figure out a way to get out of the NFL draft.
Says the CBA is the worst piece of blank I've
ever read, the worst in sports history. This all according

(27:48):
to Seth Wickersham's book about Quarterbacks. The first thing I'm
gonna say is this, And I know it's obvious, but
I've said it for so many years, and I will
say it again the next time an athlete's family member
slash parent slash significant other weighs in on an athlete's
career and it's a positive. It will be the first time.

(28:11):
There has never been a time when an athlete, significant other, parent, relative,
whoever it is, has weighed in and become part of
a story and it's been good news for the athlete.
And here it is clearly this is not helping Caleb Williams.
Carl Williams sounds like the original sports dad who knows
just enough information to be dangerous. Right, I'm gonna talk

(28:33):
to agents. I'm gonna say this. I'm gonna say we
don't want to go to the Bears. He really wanted
to go to the Vikings according to the book. But
this is where again it's never good when someone's parent,
family member, significant other gets involved. It never paints the
athlete in a favorable light. It always seems to be
someone working at odds to what the goals should be,

(28:54):
and it never is a positive. And now Caleb Williams
has to navigate the rest of the preseason and this
season with hey, you didn't really want to be here,
and his teammates know he really didn't want to be there,
and even though it's a new coaching staff. The fans
know he didn't want to be there, The media knows
he didn't want to be there, and now because of this,

(29:15):
now he's got to navigate a situation in which if
he doesn't start off hot out of the gate and
put up big numbers and the Bears win games, it's
gonna get so awful that the Bears are going to
have to move on from him, and he's gonna be
two years in Chicago and have to go someplace else.
Doesn't matter, there's a new coaching staff there, makes no doubt.
I feel bad all the good things Mike carbon I
said about your Bears going into it. I feel so

(29:35):
bad because I said so many good things and Wills
have a great year, and now this is out there
and all that Carl Williams and Caleb Williams have done
with this whole behind the scenes, we're gonna try to
circumvent the draft and all of this. All this has
done is piss off an entire city against a quarterback.
And it's not where Hey, we have to suck it
up because Caleb Williams is our guy. No, it's if

(29:57):
this doesn't work in the first four games, we'll move
on with We'll go to a new quarterback next year.
We don't need this guy. If he hates the team,
doesn't want to be here, didn't want to be here,
try to find a way to not be a member
of the Bears. He has put his starting quarterback career
at the Bears on a four week clock that begins
the beginning of September.

Speaker 5 (30:16):
A couple things to it. I can do a forty
five minute monologue if you want to just go.

Speaker 1 (30:20):
We got plenty of But buddy, we're gonna talk about
this all night. Man, you're a train wreck of a team.
We're gonna talk about it all night. Man, don't worry
about it.

Speaker 5 (30:28):
And man still never got that coin flip. It was
a fifty to fifty proposition to fix. Didn't need to
have to be one point eight percent man, fifty to
fifty when the coin flip with the with the MAVs.
The first thing is, uh, it's it's the the grown
up be the grown ups in the room. We've all
talked about the draft, and and how from a business

(30:50):
perspective and and and life and process that it really
doesn't make any sense, right. I don't think anybody, and
he being deep down inside, really disagrees with what Caleb
Williams dad is saying, saying the quiet part out loud, right,
going back to all those guys that tried to challenge
why do I got to stay in school for three years?

(31:11):
All those years ago, right, and every once in a
while that would percolate. Now you make enough money to
where it's like, I'll just go to another school if
I'm unhappy, and I'll bide my time before I go.
But don't think that at some point we won't be
fighting about that again. But all of that to say,
it's the opportunity to say that the part out loud

(31:31):
and against the Bears organization, a lame duck coach, an
offensive coordinator that I tried to tell you last year,
I had no vote of confidence no matter how many
bells and whistles you put. If you got a guy
who's calling the shots that doesn't know what he's doing,
bad things man. And that doesn't mean that Caleb Williams
is blameless, because that's the bigger the other shoe that

(31:55):
needs to he see it.

Speaker 1 (31:55):
That's why he seems like just as big a b
I was on built with my dad not wanting to
go to but he's put a clock on his time
with the Bears. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (32:03):
No, So like there's more to it from the play
and whatever else, and a very large thing that they're
not saying in this process, but setting up the Bears ownership,
GM and coaching staff as fall guys going back before
last year, I think you'd have a lot of folks
that go, yeah, it kind of makes sense.

Speaker 1 (32:24):
Exit out about a Fresca exit swallowing dome. We'll have
more on this story. Again, we're just scratching the surface
of what's going to be a huge NFL telling you
it's going to go throughout and into the regular season.
That's how big that Caleb Williams story is. But first,
let's find out what's trending in the wide world of sports.
From a man who's been called the Caleb Williams of
Fox Sports Radio.

Speaker 2 (32:46):
I think that says.

Speaker 6 (32:48):
I think Fox Sports Radio would come across worse than
me in that situation.

Speaker 1 (32:53):
His family has all said Ilo doesn't want to be here,
yet still he is here.

Speaker 6 (32:57):
Well, it's actually on that note, my wife is standing
by with a comment.

Speaker 2 (33:00):
Let's find out how she feels about this.

Speaker 5 (33:03):
Long cron can't close his effing mouth.

Speaker 4 (33:05):
No, I think that says it all right.

Speaker 5 (33:07):
There again, that's your wife.

Speaker 6 (33:13):
That is a live comment from my wife. Let's see
if she lets se if she feels any differently.

Speaker 5 (33:18):
Long Cron can't close his effing mouth.

Speaker 6 (33:20):
Yeah, yeah, well, story of my life, ladies, JEF, among
other things that can't be repeated on Fox Sports Radio.
We're two and a half minutes into the fourth quarter
in Game six of the Western Conference semi Finals and
Denver holds a ninety three to eighty six lead over
Oklahoma City, which leaves the series three games to two.
Denver has outscored the Thunder thirty seven to twenty five

(33:44):
so far in the second half. Jamal Murray with twenty
five points in the contest. Nikoleokitch eighteen points, thirteen rebounds
and six assists in the Stanley Cup playoffs.

Speaker 2 (33:55):
Let's set the tone in here now.

Speaker 6 (33:57):
The Winnipeg Jets and Dallas Stars are scoreless after the
first period of Game five in Winnipeg, with Dallas leading
the series three games to one. Earlier, the Carolina Hurricanes
and Washington Capitals were tied at one late in the
third period. Here was Mike Maniscalco on w CMC Sveetchnica.

Speaker 1 (34:16):
You'll get it right back from Walker. Penny spots my
shot Bagel.

Speaker 7 (34:22):
I'd race Sveetchnica. He beats Thompson, Hey, Carolina for a
minute fifty nine to go, takes a two.

Speaker 1 (34:29):
To one lead.

Speaker 6 (34:30):
They would add an empty netter for a three to
one victory to claim the series four games to one
at advance to the Eastern Conference Finals against either the
Florida Panthers or Toronto Maple Leafs, but most likely.

Speaker 4 (34:42):
The Florida Panthers.

Speaker 6 (34:43):
Baseball right now, the Los Angeles Dodgers up three to
one over the Athletics and the top of the second ending,
thanks in part to a t run home run by
Max Munsey in the bottom of the first inning.

Speaker 1 (34:52):
Guys, thanks a bunch.

Speaker 2 (34:55):
Ilo.

Speaker 1 (34:56):
I'll call you Iislow. Does your wife call you Ilo
or no?

Speaker 6 (35:00):
Only when she's being sarcastic, which is actually most of
the time.

Speaker 1 (35:03):
Okay, she calls him bleeping Ilo, Hey, bleeping Ilo, close
your blank in mouth? All right? So coming up, Yes,
we'll have more on this huge, incendiary Caleb Williams story.
I'm telling you this is now your narrative throughout the
offseason and into the regular season. You're sick of tier

(35:24):
Aaron Rodgers. Now it's going to be Caleb Williams. That's next,
right here, Jason to Mike. Fox Sports Radio.

Speaker 2 (35:30):
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Show with Mike Harmon weekdays at ten pm Eastern, seven
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Speaker 1 (35:39):
The Jason Smith Show with my best friend Mike Harmon.
We got more in Caleb Williams coming up in a minute,
but first it's time for the Play of the Day.
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(36:01):
way tire buying should be. Well, when you score a
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your name, you get to be the play of the day.

Speaker 5 (36:12):
Break got it done?

Speaker 1 (36:19):
Okay? Semetch the cough All right, So tyser, you gotta
stop building grunts and orcs and and why is that
not mean? Because you're you're the guy that plays it.

Speaker 3 (36:29):
Okay, So then all the bad takes her from you.

Speaker 1 (36:31):
Then all right, well I thought I thought that. I
thought we talked about that. I thought we that was acceptance. Okay, yeah,
though we had that. Uh So here we go. Here's
the play of the.

Speaker 5 (36:41):
Day sketch the cough you'll get it right back from.

Speaker 7 (36:43):
Walter Penny scars sharp dagal ray sketch the call he
beats Thompson. Carolina with a minute fifty nine to go,
takes a two to one lead.

Speaker 1 (36:57):
It's almost like you said fifty yeah, you're right for us.
But a little bit of fisticuffs and snakoff Man's tell you.
I was sweating my you know what off the end
of this game. And you know, listen, listen, my team
is going to the Eastern Conference finals. The The only
difference in this year here's Carolina here where they're not
in years past, is they are simply just getting the timely,

(37:19):
grinding goal that they didn't get in the past. That's
all it is, right, and Freddy Anderson has been great,
but but all it is was like the Hurricanes one
of the best teams in hockey every single year, but
they get to the playoffs and it's always when they
need when you need to get that grind goal in
a two to one game or a three to two
game or a one nothing game. They just didn't get it,
and they're getting it now. I wish I could tell

(37:40):
you it's more scientific than that, but that's that's kind
of what it is. I'm happy to be this though.
That's what it is.

Speaker 5 (37:45):
Yeah, I'm sweating and I'm gripping and whatever. You had
a three to one lead, Yeah, yesterday, I'm calm, I'm collected.
I expected the officials to suck. I expect you. Is
it just different levels of just oociation or what? No?

Speaker 1 (38:01):
Hockey hockey home ice means. Home ice means the least
in hockey than it does in any other sport, right really,
I mean baseball you can't get but now the last
few years though, with teams and the the the final
innings of games, but hockey there is so little home
ice advantage. Like a team you could be down to
zip and go on the road and win a game,

(38:22):
right you, you can do it, It's not it's not impossible.
If the other goalie gets hot, there's nothing you can do,
right because if you're a volume team throwing the pucket
the net, if a goalie gets hot, like there that
that's one guy that can flip a series more than anybody,
more than a quarterback in the NFL, more than any
more than a pitcher in Major League Baseball. If a
goalie gets hot, sometimes you just throw your arms over.

(38:43):
What can you do? Right? So it's even though it's
a three to one lead, Okay, the odds are a
team's you know, it's gonna win three in a row.
Is not great, but still it's not like it's it's
the impossibleness or how how how little, how less often
it happens in the NBA or a team does this
in the NFL or Major League Baseball. Doesn't like having
one point eight percent chance to win a lottery? Yeah, yeah,

(39:04):
it is. I mean, come on, it is.

Speaker 7 (39:06):
It is.

Speaker 1 (39:07):
It's what one chance and you win that lottery. That's
how I feel.

Speaker 5 (39:13):
All the folks that try to dismiss anything. It's like
the league is great. Not make fun of the league.

Speaker 1 (39:19):
You're not tawing happy fun ball. And this may not
be what the NHL wants to hear, but boy, I'll
tell you, and I've said it for the last week
and a half, it seems like the Hurricanes and the
Oilers are on a collision course with the Stanley Cup Final.
Do the rematch from fifteen years ago and the Hurricanes
one and seven. It just seems like these two teams
are on that course. Edmonton starts every game up to

(39:40):
zip I feel like you turn on the TV. Yes,
McDavid and dry Sidle have already scored, setting up each
other's goal, and the Oilers lead to nothing like that's
every game.

Speaker 4 (39:47):
You guys, can't beat the Panthers, that's your problem.

Speaker 1 (39:50):
Well, in other years, yes, in other years, yes, Now
this year, let's see, let's see, we's got to stop
Kachuk from scrapers.

Speaker 4 (39:58):
But they're not gonna buil it out.

Speaker 1 (39:59):
No, oh no, no, come on. They lost it. They
lost eleven to one last night. Come on, that's it.
The Maple Leafs getting this far has to be a
big victory. It's got to be. You know, they got
their core four core five now, so okay, things are
looking good. But getting this far is like, okay, you know,
this is a victory for us.

Speaker 5 (40:15):
The hell of the run? Absolutely, uh.

Speaker 1 (40:18):
But so there's your play of the day, and there
it is in the Eastern Conference Finals, to be joined
tomorrow by the New York Mix. It is happening. But
straight ahead we get back into the biggest story. Look,
this NFL story involved in Caleb Williams is just so
large and it's going to it. It's going to take
over the narrative of this season like Aaron Rodgers took

(40:41):
over the narrative of the offseason the last couple of years.
That's how big a deal this is. You have the
number one pick in the draft, now seemingly at odds
with his team, a team he never wanted to go to,
and now it's in print. Finally the Patriots are saying,
at least Seth Rickerstrom's got somebody else he can go
up Trouble four. We get back into that big story
next right here, Jason and Mike Fox Sports Radio. Minutes

(41:04):
left to go. So the thunder have cut this seventeen
point lead to twelve, but it has been the Nuggets
in control of this game throughout the fourth quarter or
close game. They well, you know, thanks to four fouls
on SGA. I mean, you know, shure that hell too,
but uh, the the Nuggets, uh trying to hold on
here again at twelve point lead with about two and
a half left to go, we'll off more in this

(41:25):
game coming up in a few minutes. But the big
I mean, I don't want to sit here and overseell this.
I don't want to oversell them. Have you think this
is gonna be something that's not or oh, Jason your
prisoner of the moment or whatever it is. But I'm
telling you how large this Caleb Williams story is, according
to ESPN Seth Wickersham's new book. And just think about

(41:47):
when I say, Seth Wickersham, what do you think of? Oh,
the ESPN, the pay hates the Patriots, everybody hates each Look,
Bob Kraft right now is like, thank goodness people can
ask them about a different book. And it's not just
us right.

Speaker 5 (41:59):
He's like, I wrote up there's stories beyond this one.
There's lots of quarterback material.

Speaker 1 (42:05):
All the dysfunction with the Patriots, how Craft hated Belichick,
who hated Brady, who got rid of Jimmy Garoppola, all
this stuff. Now it's Caleb Williams and his dad in
the crosshairs.

Speaker 7 (42:19):
Now.

Speaker 1 (42:19):
Seth Wergersham's got a new book coming out called American Kings,
a Biography of the quarterback, and what it is it's
about the quarterback position and players who play it from
high school to college to the NFL, and what it's
like for legends in retirement. So you get all these
star quarterbacks from what it's like in high school. He

(42:39):
talks about the recruitment of Arch Manning to what it's
like playing in college, which gets into the Caleb Williams
part of it, and then great's playing now and the
ones who have retired like Elway, Johnny Unidis, Warren Moon,
Steve Young, all of these Kirk cousins and Drake may
also in the book right now, but all the smoke
is coming because of what's going on with Caleb Williams,

(43:02):
where a quartering to seth Wickersham's book, Caleb Williams was
so concerned about being picked by the Bears that before
the draft last year, he and his family tried to
circumvent the entire thing. They talked with lawyers to try
to find a way around the league's collective bargaining agreement.
Potentially they considered signing with the United Football League. I'm
gonna play here for a year and then I'll be

(43:23):
a free agent and I can go anywhere. Because neither
of them wanted him to start his career with the Bears.
A quote from Carl Williams. According to the book, Chicago
is the place quarterbacks go to die. This is a
quote that Carl Williams told Seth Wickersham. This is not
a Seth Wickersham got this third hand source to say this.
This is Carl Williams telling Seth Wickersham. Chicago is the

(43:47):
place quarterbacks go to die. Caleb Williams, do I want
to go there? I don't think I can do it
with Shane Waldron there the former Bears OC. Now the
good news is Shane Walter's not there anymore. But this
is what it was like leading up to the draft.
They trying to find a way out, didn't want to
go to the Bears. When Caleb Williams met various representatives
from the Vikings, they really liked the Vikings, wanted to

(44:09):
get to the Vikings, tried to get around things. They
don't like the rookie cap, they don't like the CBA,
they don't like any of it, and potentially they look
to try to get out of going number one. Overall,
I got to tell you this, and here's the thing,
and this is whether you like it or not, this
is the reality. Caleb Williams has a month too, and

(44:31):
I mean beginning of the season, has a month to
play well because if not, it's over for him in Chicago.
When you say Chicago is the place quarterbacks go to die,
I don't want to go to Chicago. That upsets your teammates,
it upsets the coach. Even though it's new coaches, coaching staff,
and the fans and the media are going to be relentless.
He is never going to get the benefit of the doubt. Oh,

(44:53):
you don't want to be in our city. You don't
want to be here. Okay, you know what, We don't
need you. If he starts out and plays great, okay,
it'll be a ten His relationship at best right related
to tenuous at best. But if he plays well, fans
will forgive. But they'll sit and wait. They'll wait for
him to have a bad three game streak and say,
this guy's gotta go. If he doesn't start out big,
then Chicago's gonna have no choice but to move on

(45:15):
from him after next year, because you can't have a
guy there who never wanted to be there, because he
never wanted to go to Chicago. Right, he's got to
do all kinds of damage control now about this, Like,
I don't care what you told Seth Wikesham. I don't
care if it's something that's out there that hey, we
said this, we said this. You got to distance yourself
from this because you have just royally screwed your career. Right,
Caleb Williams and his dad had royally screwed his career.

(45:37):
They didn't they knew they, I said last hour. They
know just enough to be dangerous, right, just enough to hey,
let's try to circumvent the league and all these things
they tried to do. Well, we didn't know all about that.
We had heard there were things under the surface that
maybe Caleb Williams wouldn't want to go to the Bears,
but he went there, got drafted. Everything seemed fine. But
now you have made it combative with a city and

(45:58):
an entire fan base and what should have been an
era of good feeling going in all the weapons they
got in the last two off seasons. How good the
drafts have been. Now it's gonna be this guy's got
a clock on his career in Chicago because they were
crazy enough and not forward thinking enough to go if
we're saying this to a guy about a book. It's

(46:19):
gonna get out there and oh, by the way, we're
okay with going to Chicago. Did you think they're just
gonna magically disappear? Like that's what I mean. Like Carl
Williams as his dad knew just enough to be dangerous
because all he's done is screw Caleb Williams career and
made it more difficult for him, knowing full well. You
can't circumvent the NFL dre you can't do any All

(46:40):
you could have done is just call the Bears and
say we're not gonna play for you. We're not gonna play.
Like if you wanted to get out of Chicago that bad,
how did you not do what Eli Manning I would
have told you in two seconds. Don't listen to your dad,
dost anybody else. Just tell the Bears you're not gonna sign,
and when they draft you number one overall, you call
them and say, thank you very much, I'm not playing here.
And they would have found a way to trade you
to someplace else where you wanted to go, because that's

(47:01):
how you play. You don't go through a hole behind
the whole scenes. I don't want to go to Chicago
and then you wind up there. Look again, you neither
need to be on top of the situation or understand
this is what it's going to take. And in an
era of sports when stars always get what they want,
if you say I'm not gonna play there, you gotta
trade me. The Bears aren't going to sit here and
say no, we're going to force you to do it.

(47:22):
They would have forced their hand. They would have traded
them somewhere else, got another quarterback in advance, or somehow
dealt Caleb Williams away to another team, and they would
have built and it would be a different guy playing
quarterback for the Bears. They would hate Caleb Williams in Chicago.
But that's okay because Caleb Williams I'd have to play
in Chicago only when he has to visit there, whatever
odd games. Now that players, the fans, the media, they

(47:44):
know he didn't want to be there and he's got
to play there. How is that smart? How is that
a smart thing? I really, the next time someone's family
member is involved in an athlete story and it's a positive,
it will be the very first time. Because this has
helped nearly ruined what he's got going on in Chicago?

Speaker 5 (48:01):
Would it make it worse if you would attribute that
quote to me as I've been saying it for as
long as I've been in media or talking to people
about the Bears. It's where quarterbacks and wide receivers go
to die. And what Williams did? He said the quiet
part out loud to Seth Wickersham about his disbelief that
the current staff, as constructed, could get Caleb Williams everything

(48:27):
he needed. And again, there have been arguments about the
draft and it's legitimacy for many, many years. This is
not the first time this come up. You invoked the
name of Eli Manning. Well, y'all talk about John Elway
going all the way back right, who's part of this
book as well? I can't wait to read it? Is
he tied into this chapter at all? Because you know,

(48:48):
they went through their processes and got to where they
wanted to go.

Speaker 1 (48:52):
And guess what.

Speaker 5 (48:53):
Eventually, Eli Manning's going to be a Hall of Famer
and John Elway's arguably what top three, top five depending
on how you come down on quarterbacks or how much
you decide you want to rate Terrell Davis's life and
activity there one of the quarterbacks of all time. But
for Caleb Williams, you know, we have seen this going
back last We talked about it last February because it

(49:15):
came up as a discussion point with Colin Coward that
he was hearing from people associated with the camp that
Caleb didn't want to go there. Okay, it could have
forced it, And from the bits and pieces we got
out of Wickersham, I listened to an interview he did
in the Score locally there this afternoon, it's like, well,
he decided he quote wasn't going to nuke the city.

(49:38):
So it's a rallying point for fans right now because
he didn't want to be l Way and Manning and
what they did in terms of a the hell with
all those people, I'm not going to play there because
from an organization standpoint, I think the rational folks say,
that's what the Bears have been, So why do I
want to be the next in a long line with
a guy who's already walking the plank before we played
it down? So they find some solace in the fact

(50:01):
that Ben Johnson's all in, like none of this is
concerning to him. Now for Caleb Williams. To your point, Yeah,
he has put a spotlight on himself because all of
these reports are blaming, blaming, blaming. The The stuff that
becomes most damning to me, Jason is the Yeah, they
didn't even watch film with me. That's where it was.

(50:22):
That's how bad things got. They didn't watch film with me.
And every turn has been kind of a hey, it's
not Caleb's fault. Look at what the hand he was dealt. So, yes,
he now has all the tools at his disposal, all
the toys. They went and fortified the offensive line. There's
no excuses you have to perform. This certainly doesn't help,

(50:43):
but I think the rationale of it is something that
a lot of us, certainly those from Chicago, understand exactly
where mister Williams and company were going. And the business
of the NFL is one that's always had at least
a few scribes trying to figure out where the legalities
are of some of these processes. How many times have
we talked about the draft through the years you here

(51:07):
and prior iterations of your career where you're like, I
don't really it doesn't feel right. Where you get forced
to go somewhere you get to play in the league. Sure,
but you have no choice and your career may go
to die. You'll make some money, but you'll be miserb Right.
So for Caleb Williams, you know the fact that behind
the scenes, and you know however they got hooked into

(51:28):
Wickersham whether Williams started just his dad started sending a
bunch of tweets and texts at him. And look, he's
been very active on social media calling out the Bears
coaching staff for all of their faults. But I don't
think he's had to explain away all the extra sacks
that Caleb took by holding on to the ball too long.
That's the part that needs to change for Caleb Williams

(51:50):
to truly win over Chicago. But saying I won't nupe
the city is a nice start.

Speaker 1 (51:56):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I like how that's a bit. Hey,
he won't nuke us. Oh that's great. Oh that that
Oh that's Oh he loves us. Now I didn't really
say that. I don't know how he said he loves you,
that he didn't want to destroy your confidence and love.
I don't know how he gets past this, Like, how
do you get past this in your career? I got

(52:17):
drafted by a city I never wanted to be in.
How Yeah, but if he does like he mean, that's
why he's put a clock on his career. He's got
a month to try to figure things out, like a
month to beginning of the season. If he's bad, everybody's
going and he's been choice betrayed him. But instead of hey,
you had a couple of years you flashed a little

(52:38):
bit last year, they have a team that's locked and loaded,
ready to go. They're not going to go through a
season in which, hey, their star quarterback he doesn't want
to be here, Right, You never want anybody on your
team who you think doesn't want to be there. Is
he all in? He consider and tell Ben Johnson how
all in he is, and that's great. But if he
stinks the first month, guess what. Okay, it's not gonna work.

(52:59):
He the fans don't like him, the media is never
gonna give him a pass. I know that the players
in the locker room are mad, all like, he's not
gonna have any friends. He's not gonna have any friends.
They're gonna have no choice but to trade him as
soon as again, probably in the next offseason. We gotta
move on from Caleb Williams. That's what happens. Unreal, unreal.

Speaker 6 (53:21):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (53:21):
We'll have more on this story because we've got big
stuff in the NFL coming up, But straight ahead, we
are now headed to Game seven in the Western Conference
second Round between the Nuggets and the Thunder. We break
down exactly why coming up next, and you know what
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