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July 3, 2025 • 45 mins

Jason and Mike celebrate the greatness of Kershaw as he hits 3000 strike outs! Plus, the Lakers are trying to strong arm LeBron and the US men's soccer team advances to the Gold Cup Final!

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:22):
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Speaker 1 (00:32):
Hello, Welcome inside, and Happy Wednesday, The Jason Smith Show
with my bes friend Mike Harmon. No reset, Oh sorry, sorry, sorry, yes,
you're right. Sorry, Jason, You're crazy, You're This is a

(00:52):
long reset. Okay, but it's a really long reset.

Speaker 3 (01:01):
Rise eight thousands, look at it. What the BET's hate?
It's a long reset. Tight shirt.

Speaker 1 (01:16):
Greetings, Welcome Inside, Happy Wednesday, The Clayton Kershaw Show with
my best friend. The first three batters of the game
for the Chicago White Sox as we are getting ready
for history in Major League Baseball. Clayton Kershaw about to
take the mound for the Dodgers, three strikeouts away from

(01:38):
the three thousand mark, which again, maybe we'll see one
more time in our lives if Chris Sale gets there.
But we're gonna see it maybe tonight, and I'm surprised.
It's it's the the odds are so low. It's it's
eleven to one that he gets in the first inning.
I said, okay, three striking. He's not striking everybody out anymore,
but still eleven to one for three strikes us in

(02:00):
the first inning.

Speaker 3 (02:01):
It's still audacious.

Speaker 4 (02:03):
I mean, you look at the uh the immaculate inning
is five hundred to one, So if you really want to.

Speaker 3 (02:09):
That's all it is.

Speaker 1 (02:10):
I mean, there's how how how many immaculate innings in
the history of the game of their bit it's only five.
I feel like they're certain, you know what Vegas.

Speaker 3 (02:19):
Hey, I'm sorry, you're scared.

Speaker 1 (02:21):
Vegas is now scared because certain things that should be
much longer odds, It should be much more gambler friendly.
Oh no, no, we're gonna set it lower because you
know we got protection. No, you know, you're making enough
bleeping money. There's new casinos that go up every single
day in Vegas. Almost cursed right there. No, you get
you can make the odds a little bit longer on
something like that to make it actually worth the bet.
Like Kershaw's striking out the first three. Why it should

(02:46):
be fifty to one? Why that he strikes out? Because
Kershaw is not a strikeout pitcher like he was anymore.
And even though it is the White Sox striking, he
is averaging about five a game. Okay, striking out the
first for anybody, striking out the first three batters should
be a long odds bet. But oh no, no, eleven
to one. It's ridiculous. I'm calling out Vegas for the
way I'm calling out.

Speaker 4 (03:06):
We'll have to go into what what those two odds are.
I'll get get in touch with all our Vegas table
they head out on their sojourns ahead of the football season,
getting some time in. But I mean, Kershaw is still
his strikeout rate, you know, per nine is still strong.
What is he at thirty? How many strikeouts in his

(03:26):
thirty nineties to twenty nine strikeouts in thirty eight innings?
A little lower rate than normal, but you know for
his career he's still better than one per inning.

Speaker 1 (03:34):
Yeah, but this, okay, this is not twenty fifteen Clayton Kershaw.
This is a five player. This is the bet is tonight.
The bet is not a We can count some stuff
from earlier.

Speaker 4 (03:42):
One bet back in the day, it probably would have
been seven and a half to one.

Speaker 3 (03:47):
Come on, it should be it should be at least
fifty to one.

Speaker 4 (03:51):
Yeah, so three or more strikeouts and well, it's fuzzy
math that you're just throwing throwing numbers at a wayside
what I'm saying, what I don't want to say.

Speaker 1 (03:59):
It should be a million to one. I mean, although
a million, I mean for the first ree Oh, we
got to protect ourselves. But you sounded like Walt when
you were doing your whole thing. It's like, well, well,
you know, if it was really that long, then I
bet it. Well, it's like, well, if it's such a
sure thing taken at the five hundred.

Speaker 4 (04:13):
To one for the immaculate inning, Yeah, all right, three
plus strikeouts on the game ninety four percent implied rate
at minus sixteen hundred four plus strikeouts minus three point
thirty that is a seventy six percent likelihood. Six plus
is plus one sixty is over. Under for the game
is at four and a half.

Speaker 1 (04:32):
Yeah, I'm sorry your the game is four and a half, okay,
but but I'm gonna eleven to one that he strikes
out the first three.

Speaker 4 (04:39):
Come on, Jason, I do realize the only thing that
matters right now is this game starting at seven ten
on the dot.

Speaker 3 (04:44):
Yeah, well he gets sick control that no, watch out.
He choked people out. Watch out man.

Speaker 4 (04:49):
By the way, it is, it is the Yamamoto bobblehead die.
Let's have a moment to celebrate him. And you just
see Kershaw start turning purple.

Speaker 3 (04:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (04:58):
If he doesn't get it tonight, frost Burg, the Dodger
should release him. If you can't get three strikeouts against
the White Sox, you should be released just in the
middle of the games. See I'd be White Sox cut
Carlton Fisk in between double headers in the nineties. He
you don't get it, you come out of you just
keep going. Keep that uniform, you know what, Take that
jersey off, take the hat off. You walk out in
your cleats and an undershirt. You can't get three strikes

(05:20):
if you're MANI all I'm going. I'm telling all my guys.

Speaker 4 (05:22):
Can you bunt? Can you get some berry bonds armor?
Can you go up looking like you're a member of
the Transformers?

Speaker 5 (05:30):
Uh?

Speaker 3 (05:31):
You know that you're ready for battle?

Speaker 4 (05:33):
Uh? And you stretch this as long as you can
and get a little bit chaotic, but would be the
twentieth pitcher in Major League Baseball history for the uh,
the circle of life kind of moment. There have been
one hundred and eighteen immaculate innings in baseball history, in.

Speaker 1 (05:50):
The history in one hundred and hang, one hundred and
ten thirty five in almost one hundred and fifty now enemy, really,
in one hundred and fifty years of baseball there has
been a one hundred and nineteen of them. Okay, but
the odds for that is only what what is the odds?
One hundred to one, five hundred, five.

Speaker 3 (06:05):
Hundred and one?

Speaker 1 (06:05):
Come on, man, really, come on, that should be that.
That should be ten thousand to one. How about twenty thousand?

Speaker 2 (06:12):
Awe.

Speaker 4 (06:13):
The other is that what is the outcome of the
first pitch? This is this is one that was pretty
fun if you if you go in and let me,
let me pull it up, because you're talking about is
it a called strike, a swinging strike, is it a ball?
Is it any other outcome?

Speaker 3 (06:31):
Is it a base?

Speaker 4 (06:31):
It is an extra base? It all of those you
can bet on every one of those prop bets as
you flow through.

Speaker 3 (06:38):
Interesting.

Speaker 4 (06:39):
Yeah, yeah, you could really be a degenerate with all
the Clayton Kershaw he died bets today.

Speaker 1 (06:45):
He doesn't get three strikeouts to night or retire h
So you know that's it. It's just not gonna Wow,
you're retiring in now? Yeah, I retire whatever it meant.

Speaker 3 (06:52):
I just can't. I can print that.

Speaker 4 (06:54):
I mean I already put that up. Ah man, I'll
tell you well, because really anybody.

Speaker 3 (06:59):
Oh you know sunsetting.

Speaker 1 (07:02):
Moore and two thirds innings against the White Sox. Yeah,
how many strikeouts you have?

Speaker 5 (07:06):
Two?

Speaker 3 (07:06):
You're done?

Speaker 1 (07:07):
Turn turn it, turn it, turn in your stuff out.
You can take all the stuff out of your locker
or whatever's in there, and then we're never gonna see
you again.

Speaker 3 (07:14):
It's done, done, absolutely done. We'll will Clayton Kershaw record
a win plus one fifth fish. If you can't beat
the White Sox, you should.

Speaker 1 (07:23):
If he doesn't beat the White Sox and get three strikeouts,
and uh, he is taking the mound right now. Clayton
Kershaw for the top of the first inning against the
White Sox will bring you an update throughout again, just
three strikeouts away from the big number of three thousand
and again, he's gonna get there. Maybe Chris saal and
maybe that's it for the rest of our lifetimes. We

(07:44):
may never see this happen. It'll happen tonight most like
again not you should retire.

Speaker 2 (07:49):
All right?

Speaker 4 (07:49):
Place your bet whoa wow, Rosburg, whoa hey? First pitch,
taking strike, swinging strike or a foul ball minus one
forty five ball are a hit by pitch plus any
other out outcome plus twelve hundred. A base hit is
thirty four to one. An extra base hit is fifty
to one.

Speaker 1 (08:08):
Tell Seacott to hit the first batter if the fix
is on, anyone connects mister Rothstein to this, I come
back and say you want that at plus one thirty
you don't want that? Yeah, exact.

Speaker 3 (08:18):
So again, a big night for Clayton. Kursher will keep
you updated.

Speaker 1 (08:21):
But speaking of big nights, a big night for the
US men's national team into the Gold Cup Final and
TJ clearly the US men's national team seeing they can
rely on Polisic and or Diego Luna when it comes
down to.

Speaker 4 (08:38):
It, TJ, did they include a an answer key to
Diego Luna's body art. That's a lot of stuff going
on that's gonna be the most just that's gonna be
the most confusing thing on Twitter because now you can't
go to Twitter or x anymore and see something trending
and get what it is on the first try, because
it's just the way the algorithms are.

Speaker 3 (08:57):
They're just stupid. It's just sure.

Speaker 1 (08:59):
But like seeing Diego Luna trend like you're said, wait,
why what happened in it's pictures of Diego Luna the actor,
then Diego Luna the soccer player. The uh A brace
for Diego Luna in the first fifteen minutes of the game.
And it wasn't perfect against Guatemala tonight, Like Guatemala were
not even they put out what once the United States
got that too nothing lead, They kind of sat back
a little bit too much. Guatemala was able to keep
a lot of pressure on. They scored to make it interesting.

Speaker 3 (09:22):
But had one disallowed.

Speaker 4 (09:24):
Yeah yeah, clearly offside dodge. Yeah, two players off sure,
but hey, well that was tough. Unfortunately, they have the
eye in the sky that's gonna catch you as opposed
to the ars trying to hustle up and down on
a league weekend. But after an awful beginning to the
Gold Cup for the United States, where the the dedication

(09:46):
of star players like Christian Polistic and Robinson and guys
were all out there.

Speaker 3 (09:50):
Hey are you know?

Speaker 4 (09:51):
Why are they not playing? What's going on? Canada is
trolling the United States with all our.

Speaker 1 (09:56):
Guys are here. Oh wait, all our guys are not here.
That's why we lost. Here's the United States into the
Gold Cup final with a lot of a B team.

Speaker 3 (10:05):
But this is the big thing.

Speaker 1 (10:07):
They have done exactly what they needed to do because
now this team is Marisio Pochatino's team.

Speaker 4 (10:14):
He is now. He is now the he is now
the definition, and he is the brand of United States Soccer,
the USMNT.

Speaker 1 (10:23):
He stands up to Polisic and the guys that didn't
want to come. And what do you have that big
staing right before the Gold Cup started, I'm not a mannequin, right,
which is I mean, what a great thing. I'm not
a mannequin, right you you you know, you don't get
to decide when you want to come play. So you know,
we kind of threw that out there to the players
who we've said this, the players that the up and
coming stars have been anointed stars way too early, uh

(10:44):
in in in their careers. I haven't done anything.

Speaker 3 (10:46):
But yet, you know, you.

Speaker 1 (10:48):
See Polistic and Robinson and all these players, and and
and and even when you want to get even closer
to Raina and his parents getting involved with the team,
where hey, you're not you haven't done anything to be entitled.
And so he put his foot down and said, you're
not entitled. You don't run this team. I run this team.

Speaker 3 (11:05):
I'm going in with these guys.

Speaker 1 (11:07):
And clearly he's still got He's got a couple of
really good players there that have started to get some publicity.
Now you know, Luna a terrific Tilman the other night,
and you see how they're gritty, they stick together, they
have a lot more fight like.

Speaker 3 (11:19):
Seeing this team play.

Speaker 4 (11:21):
I see the change that I saw when the women's
team came back with the triplets, right with the try
and when all of a sudden, we said, hey, when
the three scorers are healthy, watch out. This is what
the team's gonna be built on the next ten years.
They show up for the Olympics and all of a sudden,
US is the big bad bully on the block again, right,
I see that with this version of the United States team,
where hey, they're gritty, they fight, They have talented players

(11:43):
that are now getting a chance because these other entitled
players are not there anymore. And this is the best
of both worlds for the United States. So why today
was such a great day and this has been such
a great tournament Because now if you're one of those
players that skipped, you're saying, uh, oh, not that. Suddenly
it means Pochattino says, hey, not on the team, but
now there's competition. I have options. You better buy in

(12:05):
to what I'm doing here and what we're doing. You
don't buy in, you're gonna be sitting at home watching
the watching the World Cup. Next year sitting on your
couch watching the Red Sox win the World Series. This
is what he has done over the course of just
the past two weeks with the Gold Cup.

Speaker 3 (12:19):
Is that wow?

Speaker 4 (12:20):
Now, hey, they have an identity which he has brought.
He is in charge of this program and there's players
that he can rely on. You hear him talk about
some of the players about how how great they are,
how you Tilman, I mean he could he couldn't go
on enough about Tilman and how how great a player
he is. And now tonight, obviously it's gonna be Diego
Luna is gonna be a thing and freeze the big
hero in the in the shootout the other day. So

(12:42):
all of a sudden, oh wait a minute, I better
buy in. So now there will be that for the
United States men's team. I feel more optimistic right now
than maybe I have any time in the last five years,
all because of what he's been able to accomplish in
the last week. Well, the old coaching back and forth
and fighting about direction, right, you had different agendas. You

(13:02):
mentioned the stuff with Rain, I mean that smelled like
any Ayso stuff you would have had or stuff you
would have dealt with with your daughter's team when you
were coaching, you know, parents getting involved in the infighting
that you had, so all of that got washed out
and some of it. Look at look at the effusive
praise for the guys that are there and that are performing,

(13:24):
Like he's gonna show you your flowers, but he's also
not gonna kiss your ass, right, So it's that nice blend.
You earn his respect, you earn your pt and if anything,
you get deeper out of this. Mexico and Honduras now
up and flowing the final. If they play Mexico, they've

(13:45):
lost them five times in the finals, So you got
that hanging out in the balance, but you get a
new look, energized squad. I'm not a fan of parking
the bus. I got a two nil lead, I'm gonna
keep attacking. They got out shot twenty to twelve of
the game, including absolutely iterated the final. You know, eighteen
to twenty minutes of the first half if you go
into the raw stats and just flow of the game,

(14:07):
but enough to make it hold up. So yeah, positive
direction from a squad that we've wrung our hands about
for what going on three plus decades.

Speaker 1 (14:17):
Exit out about a Fresca exit swollen down the Jason
Smith Show with my best friend in Mi car. I mean,
I feel better about this team now than any time
in the last five years. And sometimes it happens. Sometimes
it happens over the course of two weeks, you do
realize that's the Gold Cup, not the World Cup.

Speaker 3 (14:30):
Yeah, I know what we're getting ready for it. Hey,
the long road begins with the first steps. I got
to find something. Gold Cups. How have they done in
the World Cups? The tournament going on now? It's what's
what we have going there? Sucked in it. There's building. Wow, Okay,
why don't you go root for Canada? What's go root
for Canada?

Speaker 1 (14:45):
Jesse March, go root for Canada? He bet that first pitch? Yeah,
he's just upset. No strikeouts for Kershaw so far, White
Sox runner at third, two outs, top of the first,
and again three strikeouts away from three thousand.

Speaker 3 (14:58):
But coming up next.

Speaker 1 (15:00):
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Sports Radio videos on YouTube. Well, Clayton Kershaw gets out
of the first inning for the Dodgers, not unscathed, gives
up a run, but Michael confordo with a leaping grab.

Speaker 3 (16:29):
And I want to say this because he didn't really have.

Speaker 4 (16:31):
To leave, but he was trying to figure out the angle, right,
I need a reverse angle.

Speaker 3 (16:35):
On that as to where he was relative to the wall.

Speaker 1 (16:37):
He didn't need to jump, but you know the left
field wall and Dodger Stadium, it's right at the partition
where it goes from.

Speaker 4 (16:44):
The high wall to the low wall. Probably would have
been a home run if he doesn't grab it. So
another I mean it was a foot away and he saves,
the ending would have been for nothing. White Sox with
the lead, and you know, that's probably gonna be a
short night for Kershaw as he chases three thousand, but
the Dodgers get out of it. Kershaw gets out of
the first inning down one nothing to the White Sox

(17:05):
and look just to you know, seeing Clayton Kershaw pitches
I have for the you know, the better part the
last fifteen years. I think he looks like he needs
to settle down. You're coming into this first inning. He
just looks a little bit jumpy. And see he knows
the moment, obviously, it's a little bit more like it
looks like he needs a little bit more body control.

Speaker 3 (17:24):
He was up in the zone a lot. He is, Yeah,
he was.

Speaker 1 (17:27):
He was very erratic in the first inning. So I
think he just he needed that first inning. And now
it probably likely because it's Kershaw, he will calm down
and be a much different pitcher here going out for
the second inning. You come out, it's all you know,
the Dodgers, all the television cameras are following him out.
He's on the field at six twenty three and here
he is and warming up and there's seven cameras right

(17:49):
next to him while he's throwing his last warm up pitch, like, okay,
you got to get the game to start. Sometimes you
get that extra adrenaline and sometimes it works for you
get a couple extra miles hour on your fastball. But
sometimes it has the opposite of effect, where Okay, I'm
really my thoughts are all over and I'm sure he
is taking his time in the dugout. He will be
a different pitcher, a little bit more control in the
second inning.

Speaker 4 (18:08):
Twenty nine pitches in the first, nineteen for strikes, three hits,
allowed the earned run, and now the Dodgers at the plate.
But you know, as I said, Canford it with the
big catch, A big day for the ex Mets as
we were talking about, with a couple of All Star
announcements that really did not make you happy. But this
is history, man, We're probably not gonna see this again.

(18:31):
Zach Granky's close if he wants to come out of retirement.
But other than that, he got a long, long way.
I hear people going, oh, this guy's gonna get then
I'm like, he's got three hundred strikeouts, he's pitched a year.

Speaker 3 (18:42):
And a half, Like, what are we doing.

Speaker 1 (18:44):
Yeah, so again, we'll keep you update, usually due to
stuff after Otani does something, but kershaw again three strikeouts
away from three thousand of the Dodgers back in the
bottom of the first inning. Meanwhile, I'd always say I
could be an NBA insider.

Speaker 3 (18:59):
I can do all that declaring that a long time. Yeah,
Now I think the.

Speaker 1 (19:03):
Better job for me now in my fifties, Like I'd
rather be a consultant, far less work, because sounds like
the greatest gig. Like you show up, you have lunch,
you tell people what you think, and you leave. You're
kind of like the wolf in pulp fiction.

Speaker 4 (19:15):
Yeah, you show up, you solve a problem, then you
get the girl, and you get back in your fastcar
and drive away.

Speaker 3 (19:21):
Here's here's my.

Speaker 1 (19:21):
One thing about pulp fiction. What kind of party is
he at it nine o'clock in the morning.

Speaker 3 (19:26):
It hasn't ended. He's in tuxedos. Yeah, he hasn't ended
the party. Do you think it's an after pay he's
kind of a big deal.

Speaker 1 (19:32):
I think yeah, But that's a long after party for
people in their fifties, because already I tell it was
in his fan that's a long after party. Now you
go from whatever night it was before at nine in
the morning, even when I was in my overnight.

Speaker 4 (19:43):
After party like by six, I'm like, okay, guys, Jason,
there's there's things you can you can maybe ingest at
a party, No, I know, to keep things going.

Speaker 3 (19:52):
But it's part of the largest the legend of him. No,
he was not walking around naked s and I did
so many bad days, but no, he did.

Speaker 4 (20:03):
Wasn't.

Speaker 3 (20:03):
It was the nineties, man, there wasn't as much stuff
as there is now. This was the nineties.

Speaker 1 (20:07):
I mean, what kind of part And he answers the
phone in the first ring, Hello, Oh oh okay, well
I'm gonna put that's the special bat phone.

Speaker 3 (20:14):
So I guess he is the wolf.

Speaker 4 (20:15):
And when the wolf, when you call the wolf, when
you call you know you're in desperate straits, which means
he's gonna get compensated. But Jeweles had the Wolf's number,
so I got to think that, Okay, anybody could have
called them, Like you know, I realized.

Speaker 3 (20:26):
No, I gotta I gotta think that's reserved for special jobs.

Speaker 4 (20:29):
Em that that's only imparted upon you the break glass
against emergent, because if you're calling him and it's not
something he needs to come deal with.

Speaker 3 (20:37):
I bet he beats your ass.

Speaker 1 (20:38):
Well he did, and Marcellis did as you did, Marcellistic Okay,
Marcellus Wallace to go all right, So that's fine now.

Speaker 3 (20:44):
I mean, and he's a guy that we we have
lots of questions of his origin story. Consultants would be
the best bleeping gig. You could be a big deal.

Speaker 5 (20:52):
You know.

Speaker 1 (20:53):
Go back to the beginning of June. I know you
put this on social media earlier today. The odds were
up there on June seventeenth. No, no, go back to
June third, Okay, oh yeah, June third, when the Knicks
fired TIBs and I said, okay, they kind of had to.
He took him as far as they did.

Speaker 3 (21:08):
I get it. It's difficult.

Speaker 1 (21:10):
Who is the guy? I said, Mike Brown, I said,
go get Mike Brown is the guy. And again the
laundry list of stuff. Mike Brown has coached in big
situations before he's coach Lebron. He's coached Steph Curry and
Draymond and Clay and Pal Gasol, Duncan Jenobli, some as
an assistant, some as a head coach. He's got a
really good defensive system. Offensively, what he likes to do

(21:32):
fits with what the Knicks want to do. He is
a perfect choice. He's a perfect choice. And I said,
go get him. He's the guy to go get.

Speaker 3 (21:41):
What did I do that? And in two minutes I
gave you Mike Brown? But what did the nixt?

Speaker 1 (21:45):
No, no, no, no, We're gonna call other teams and
embarrass ourselves because they're gonna say, no, we're not giving
you permission to talk to our head coach. So the
Knicks look like it's not a destination. Oh but now, okay,
now they go through it.

Speaker 2 (21:55):
What do they do?

Speaker 1 (21:56):
They talked to Mike Brown, right the interview Mike Brown,
They interview Taylor Jenkins. You were on Taylor Jenkins. They
talked to a couple other guys, Mike and Norri. And
now we get the story today that Mike Brown will
be named the knicks next head coach. This source is
telling ESPN and shamps Trania on Wednesday that they will
be hiring him, a two time Coach of the Year

(22:17):
and he's the best choice first of all for me
for a second consultant.

Speaker 4 (22:21):
No, I mean I did put it up up on accident.
I'm sorry I didn't get the specificity there.

Speaker 3 (22:26):
I knew.

Speaker 4 (22:26):
I knew the seventeenth because it's a date we'd been
talking about a bunch, but certainly with Mike Brown. We
hadn't done the specificity of the June third day for
you in a while, so it wasn't top of mind.
And then my coffee order was ready, so I hit
send and grabbed my coffee and scurried out the door.
So I apologize for not giving you that you were

(22:48):
on it for two weeks, because that's two weeks of
time saved. Now in the end, I still don't think
they look dumb in all of it, because guess what,
Mike Brown was sitting there twiddling his thumbs waiting for that.

Speaker 3 (22:59):
Call to come.

Speaker 4 (23:00):
Okay, but I do have to ask this two time
Coach of the Year undisputed resume a lot of wins
on that he's also been dismissed from a lot of places.

Speaker 1 (23:11):
Yeah, well, look, guys that win NBA titles get fired out.
It's kind of how it goes. That's why it's gotty
fast there. Yeah, like ten years ago it was there's
not many guys that have won titles. Well, this is
you know, because the Lakers won so many and Greg
Popichard win won every forty every presidential election they'd win,
they win.

Speaker 3 (23:27):
A championship, So it wasn't a lot of guys out there.
What did the other thing?

Speaker 1 (23:31):
Now there's more guys out there that I've won that
after a couple of years, Hey sorry, uh, we're.

Speaker 3 (23:36):
Your star doesn't beat it. So that's just the way
it is.

Speaker 1 (23:39):
That that that I'm not as worried about as I
was years ago because now that's just the way teams
do business.

Speaker 3 (23:44):
Still the Knick Show.

Speaker 4 (23:46):
So now he's got to deal with James Dolan and
he's can he get Kat and Brunson to buy in?
And then he leveled defensively. That is the billion dollar question?
What are they worth ten billion dollars or thereabouts fifteen
if you include msgu that can he get this roster?

(24:07):
And I'm curious to see what happens now that we
hit this next phase that you'll actually install a coach,
some talent off the board, but still a lot of
chess pieces to move, a lot of stars still with
their wandering eye of where they may look for the
grass being greener. But I can tell you this by
just hiring a head coach. You are now the favorites

(24:28):
in the East. I know that wasn't a big difference
from where you were with Cleveland, but this takes them
over the top.

Speaker 3 (24:35):
Fifty grand. I could have gotten you that fifty grand like.

Speaker 4 (24:38):
I was a million dollar hour basically based on we
did the pro ration right, you can multiply it by twenty.

Speaker 5 (24:43):
Now.

Speaker 3 (24:43):
I would have said, give me an hour.

Speaker 4 (24:45):
Well, you build by the hour. Your doctor sheriff, I
would to give her fifty minutes. I would have done
for an hour. I would have done three minutes to
tell you, hey, Mike Brown. Then I would have went,
got a sandwich, come back, you know, checked a couple
of things in fantasy and everything else, and it said,
oh an hour, it's an hour. Let me text James
Dolan boom one hour, Mark Mike Brown. Mike Brown is
your guy? Well, I mean someone else's is prettying up

(25:05):
the language because you can't just send the higher Mike
Brown in a picture of him. Someone else asked to
do the well after an exhaustive search.

Speaker 3 (25:13):
Are you are you asking me there telling you Mike
Brown go get him?

Speaker 2 (25:16):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (25:16):
Yeah, but that's what your assistant does during the hour
while you get your sandwich. MM okay, all right, that's fine. Yeah,
because then you get a legitimate hour.

Speaker 4 (25:25):
I'm fine because you also have an output other than
you texting and number brown?

Speaker 3 (25:32):
What Brown? What Brown? Is your man? I am I
giving you a million dollars. I mean, and you.

Speaker 1 (25:39):
Wouldn't have had all the crazy embarrassment permission asking stuff
that went on.

Speaker 3 (25:43):
But I will say that, See, I still like that.
I might be the only guy that liked that. I
agree with you that.

Speaker 1 (25:48):
Once the Knicks realized, okay, these these guys telling us, no,
we have to go away from that, right, I get that,
and they sort of got back the hey, okay, the
Knix is a destination.

Speaker 4 (25:58):
You see the injuries that are going on with you
for doing in free agency. The Knicks got back their
bit of hey, this is now a destination again. Now
obviously you can you can say hey, we tried. Maybe
these guys would have said yes, but the team said no.
But it's still embarrassing to say, hey, we like to
talk to them and not getting permission because all the
coach had to say was yes, hey, I want to
talk to the Knicks and suddenly, well guess what that

(26:20):
guy's got to leave because you can't go back. Well,
but that's also a guy that you may decide you
don't want to hire, So they got to decide.

Speaker 1 (26:26):
They're on steady ground speaking about that. Sorry, man, but yeah,
we don't like you. I know you can't go back
to your old team now because then you want to.
But yeah, we don't like But with the old team, though,
is they're going to weigh it of what else is
out there? As you said former coaches of the year,
You've got college coaches, You've got assistants waiting on the turn.

Speaker 3 (26:45):
Look, it's the old if the price is right.

Speaker 4 (26:46):
We talk about compensation for players and how many you know,
pieces of confetti also known as second round draft picks.
You'll give up same thing for coaches. You want our coach, Yeah,
if he wants to talk to you, talk to you
because if nothing else, you're gonna get compensation for it.
And if you think that guy's replaceable, oh yeah, maybe
there's a little schism in the locker room.

Speaker 3 (27:06):
Whatever.

Speaker 4 (27:06):
Why would you not allow them to examine their options?
Like I think it was a win and all side.
Like I don't think it was necessarily an embarrassing look.

Speaker 1 (27:15):
And loss, you know, after it was embarrassing for a
week or so, and now it was and then it
was okay. Now they're talking to the guys they should
be talking to. They're talking to the well respected coaches,
and they wound up getting Mike Brown.

Speaker 4 (27:27):
And I I the one thing that I want to say,
because the one one thing I can't believe that that's
actually been going around is that, ah, Mike Brown.

Speaker 3 (27:35):
Is not exciting.

Speaker 1 (27:37):
Why couldn't they do better than Mike Brown? This is
the guy that's been fighting to talk about it. He's
got ups and downs on his resume. But I just
want to say this, Okay, who did you want?

Speaker 4 (27:45):
No?

Speaker 3 (27:46):
But that's the thing, who.

Speaker 2 (27:49):
Did you want?

Speaker 3 (27:49):
To go get? Don't say talking? We still said who
did I want? That's not yah, Well you did Who
did you want? That Knicks fans would want?

Speaker 4 (27:56):
Like?

Speaker 3 (27:56):
Who did you want? There was nobody else out there? Question? Yeah,
Knicks fans, go go go Knicks fans? Would you rather?
Who else?

Speaker 4 (28:04):
Who?

Speaker 3 (28:04):
I mean?

Speaker 4 (28:05):
Well, but if you get all five of them to
respond with Doc Rivers, we having you net. I mean,
it's not statistically valid because it's not more than thirty.
But that's Okay, if you want to tell me you
don't like Mike Brown, Okay, I get it. But sometimes
you can only hire who's available. It's like having the
number one pick in the draft. Oh we didn't get
a great guy.

Speaker 1 (28:21):
Well, Andrew luck is not available all the time at
number one. Overall, Cam Newton's not available at number one
all the time. Sometimes the number one pick is Jake Long. Right,
it just so happens, like you have to go with
who's out there, right, And there was nobody better than
Mike Brown.

Speaker 4 (28:36):
He was the guy from the beginning. And again, if
you don't like him, who did you want? Who else
was coming in to do it? He's the anti Tims,
He's a players coach. He's getting the blessing of because
you know it wouldn't be at this point if he
didn't have the blessing. He's been leading for a long time. Look,
Mark Medina.

Speaker 1 (28:51):
Told us this on Friday night, that Hey, all the
people I've talked to said that that Mike Brown is
fully in the lead for this, Like, I don't know
who else you wanted. Yeah, it's great to say, Oh
I'd rather have Eric Spulsive, Yeah, I'd rather have those
guys too, but they're not available and someone has to
coach the team and they didn't call me, So okay,
if it's not me, where I could do the show
at night and do the games because like the games
Len right before we go on there, Like it could

(29:13):
work west coach to have to take some time off.

Speaker 3 (29:15):
But like, if it's not me, okay, then Mike Brown.

Speaker 4 (29:18):
Yeah, he's a leader in the betting odds for a
full two weeks plus and now here we are. Jake
Long number one pick in the two thousand and eight draft,
followed then by Chris Long, Saint Louis Rams, Matt Ryan, third,
the Atlanta Falcons, McFadden, Dorsey Goldstin Ellis, and of Harvey
five Rivers draft.

Speaker 3 (29:37):
We picked six that year.

Speaker 4 (29:38):
I remember that. Yeah, Gerrod Mayo goes tenh sure, keep
on going down. Joe Flacco eventually became elite and away.

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Speaker 3 (30:12):
Dub, what do you got?

Speaker 6 (30:13):
I got waiting for Clayton Kershaw. He's got no strikeouts
going into the bottom of the second inning. So he's
pitched two, gonna have three hits, one run and again
no strikeouts. And you can kind of see the crowd
in Dodger Stadium every time he gets to that second
strike and at like whenever he doesn't get that third strikeout,

(30:35):
there's a collective Oh.

Speaker 3 (30:37):
But they're getting some updowns in though, getting on their feet.
That's the benefit.

Speaker 6 (30:42):
They are getting a little bit more exercise than they
probably would have expected to on a July day against
the White Sox. It's one to one tide right now.
Get bottom of the seconding, Will Smith with a home
run elsewhere in Major League Baseball at bottom of the
eighth inning, and the Cubs leave the Guardians five to three.
Top of the seventh, the Astros lead the Rockies five
to two, roll with a one nothing lead over the

(31:02):
Mariners top of the fourth, bottom of the fourth, enning
the Giants and the Diamondbacks San Francisco with a two
to nothing lead. Earlier today, the boys were just talking
about it. The New York Knicks hired Mike Brown to
be their new head coach. The Lakers expected to sign
free agent center DeAndre eight into a two year contract.
The Memphis Grizzly said they'll evaluate All star Jaron Jackson

(31:24):
Junior's toe in twelve weeks following the turf toe surgery.
The Athletics reported that the Warriors, Lakers, and Celtics have
reached out to free agent guard Damian Lillard, who's a
free agent after Milwaukee decided to wave him. The Hornets
have signed Spencer Dinwiddie to a one year deal, and
Anthony Pocez just hit a home run in that Dodgers game.

Speaker 3 (31:44):
So it is now two to one LA with the
lead in the bottom of.

Speaker 6 (31:48):
The second, ending on waiting for Kershaws to get his
three thousand strikeout.

Speaker 3 (31:52):
If it happens today, he's got three to go back
to you guys.

Speaker 1 (31:56):
Thanks bunch, Martin, Jason Smith, Mike Harmon Lie from the
Fox Sports or Radio studios. Coming up next, we got
the play of the day, and you want a big
hot take about NBA free agency to this point right
the first.

Speaker 3 (32:08):
Big waves gone three days in NBA free agency.

Speaker 1 (32:12):
Get a big hot take for you that's coming up
next right here, Jason and Mike Fox Sports Radio.

Speaker 2 (32:18):
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Speaker 4 (32:27):
Fox Sports Radio. Welcome inside the Jason Smith Show with
my best friend Mike Harmon. Uh.

Speaker 1 (32:34):
So far, Clayton Kershaw is just giving up a leadoff
single in the top of the third inning. What is
that six hits he's giving up so far to the
White Sox who somehow still only have one run.

Speaker 3 (32:45):
That's what That's what the White Sox do, Jason Smith.

Speaker 1 (32:49):
Dodgers lead at two to one. Andy Pa has homers
in the bottom of the inning. About it of the
second give the Dodgers a two to one lead. But
Kershaw is still so far tonight no strikeouts, is still
three away from three thousand. So we can't make Clayton
Kershaw the play of the day. But I think I
have a pretty good idea of ooh, play of the
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Speaker 2 (33:26):
Well.

Speaker 1 (33:27):
When football is life and you help the United States
into the Gold Cup Finals, where a brace in the
first fifteen minutes, you get to be the play of
the day.

Speaker 4 (33:36):
Cuts it back in Tell when the fake turns it inside,
that's still tore.

Speaker 3 (33:40):
Save loaded, guys, go back to the games.

Speaker 4 (33:46):
Had a perfect early start for the United States.

Speaker 2 (33:50):
Here's Diega loada now loaded great.

Speaker 4 (33:53):
Alday FS one on the call. The United States wins
it two to one. They move in to the Gold
Cup Finals. They play Kena.

Speaker 1 (34:08):
Oh no wait, sorry, Canada loss because they didn't have
their guys know their guy Yeah, yeah, they were missing
a bunch of their guys.

Speaker 3 (34:14):
That's right.

Speaker 4 (34:15):
So I'm a little disappointed. We didn't either get a
clip from Rogue one or and door.

Speaker 1 (34:20):
Well, I gave my end or line earlier in the
same day wouldn't give me anything think for it. I'm like,
come on, man, relying on polisic end or Diego Luna
is right now. I gotta get deeper into the filmography
of Diego Luna to come up with more bermanisms.

Speaker 3 (34:35):
Book of life.

Speaker 4 (34:36):
They take on a book of life Mexico and Honduras,
which right now is scoreless, nearing halftime. Again, excuse me,
you're all choked up on FS one. Now that first goal,
by the way that that we heard the call doesn't.

Speaker 3 (34:51):
Do it justice.

Speaker 4 (34:52):
That defender should have been thrown off the pitch for
his lack of effort trying to poke at the ball
and allowing Luna to come straight.

Speaker 3 (35:00):
He threw him to get the putback of the the rebound.
Uh so again, could be United States on Duras, could
be Mexico. Will wait and see.

Speaker 1 (35:08):
We're keeping an eye on this as well as well
as Oh my goodness, Clayton Kershaw's just giving up a
two run homer.

Speaker 3 (35:16):
Now it's a throw.

Speaker 1 (35:18):
White Sox lead Austin Slater, who I believe is a surfer,
is also playing for the Well. Sewan Burke is pitching
for the White That's he was terrific Goaldie for the
Whalers back in the nineties.

Speaker 4 (35:29):
No, we certainly have guys all over the place, multiple identities,
just like Diego Loen.

Speaker 1 (35:34):
Don't know if Kershaw is going to be around long
enough tonight for those three struck outs to get to
three thousand.

Speaker 3 (35:40):
Boy, your fault too, it's not my faults.

Speaker 4 (35:43):
You didn't start the show with it. Hey, Hey, you
said ruined the Vie. Hey, I did not ru ruined
Kershaw Day. To be fair, right now, I think Kershaw
has ruined Kershaw Day.

Speaker 1 (35:54):
I think Kershaw's eighty eight mile an hour fastball is
ruining Kershaw Day.

Speaker 4 (35:57):
That's what's happened, leaving it up and uh and hitting
the upper eighties. But now, look, well we have big
stuff on Lebron and the Lakers, who make a who
make a big splash today for the Lakers coming up
in a few minutes. But you know, I gotta say this,
so far, we're now three days into NBA free agency.
We can stop and take a breath because all the
big names they've changed, they've changed places, right, We've seen

(36:20):
the bit and most of them have re signed with
their teams. There's still some big players out there, right
so still guys out there going, oh, man, okay, but
they're restricted all for players, so you don't know kind
of how that's gonna go. So there's still some guys
out there. But now we've seen the first big wave.
And I gotta stop for a second. This is for ESPN,
this is for NBA. This for the first three days

(36:42):
of free agency has not been insane. It's been a frenzy.
Not it's not been It's not been a frenzy. It's
not been incredible move it has not been jaw dropping.

Speaker 3 (36:51):
It's been the.

Speaker 4 (36:51):
Beginning of free agency. Have some perspective. It's been the
beginning to free agency.

Speaker 1 (36:57):
I can'tsider and tell you that it's frenzied and it's
incredible and it's jaw dropping. When the biggest name to
change teams is Miles Turner, I mean, come on, man,
I get look, it's a big story from a day
ago because Turner plays in a Damian Lillard and Yannis.

Speaker 4 (37:12):
But when you say free agency is telling me, oh,
it's fantastic, dude. The biggest name has been Miles Turner.
And unless there's a trade.

Speaker 1 (37:18):
Now, trades are different because the trade we talked about
the trade season, we're gonna wind up seeing some stuff
get loosened up.

Speaker 4 (37:24):
But the free agency season, it's just been okay. This
is like the NBNBA fregency has been the.

Speaker 1 (37:30):
Hype and the execution of the Fourth of July Hot
Dog eating Contest without Joey Chestnut, Like, was it like that?

Speaker 3 (37:38):
No, Joey Chestnut, Lads, what are we going? Okay?

Speaker 2 (37:40):
But now he's back.

Speaker 3 (37:40):
Okay. Some years free agency is great. Some years it's not.

Speaker 1 (37:44):
No, it's not been a great There's been some solid moves,
but there's been nothing so far that I can sit
there and say, oh wow, this is cutting across from
coast to coast. You can't make Miles Turner happen more
than it should. You gotta have a little bit of
proportion to it. But all I mean, all of this,
look at what's happening. No, no, just you know, don't
try to convince me on stuff that's not This has
been just a start for free agency. So no one's

(38:06):
taken all the bait of going all in and overpaying
for guys that they should have shouldn't overpay for. It's
been a start to NBA fransy Yes, teams, names and
players have changed teams. But what have we seen so
far that suddenly, oh my goodness, look at this right again,
the biggest name has been Mile turn Let's just have
the perspective.

Speaker 4 (38:23):
Well, he's got a big deal. He just played in
the NBA finals. He played big minutes, give you big,
big moments. We've spent with seen extensions and new contracts,
nearly three billion dollars.

Speaker 3 (38:37):
That that counts. And if I have the rights, I'm
selling the hell out of it.

Speaker 4 (38:41):
I mean, how did a former colleague if I used
to start a show, this is the best fifteen minutes
you're ever gonna hear. All right, what about the next
fifteen minutes? But we'll get to that when we get
to that. For us, it's all right. Now it's time
to entertain you with the next act. And now here's
something you really like. And for the NBA CRE Agency,
if I'm the rights holder, every move is the greatest

(39:04):
move ever made because it's next, it's now, and you
have to sell, sell, sell.

Speaker 3 (39:11):
Might just be a minimal deal, might just be a
resigning of a guy that's gonna sit at the end
of the bench. I mean, we're over hyping the fact
that DeAndre Eaton was once upon a time.

Speaker 4 (39:21):
I now look, now, the thing is is that there
are moves that play into bigger things, because coming up
in a few minutes, why the DeAndre eight move plays
into something so much bigger for the Lakers in the NBA,
just like we said, look the Miles Turner move, you know,
stretching out the salary for Damian Lillard and now when
is he gonna play again? And now what about Giannis? Like, okay,

(39:42):
the honest part of it gets big, but this part, okay,
well the little part was big too though, because it
showed once again NBA contracts. Man, here's your one hundred
and twelve million dollars.

Speaker 3 (39:52):
You didn't like being here.

Speaker 4 (39:54):
Now we part as friends and you move on, kind
of like the end of what was that book, Harry
Potter when they got that cool little animated sequence and
the guy flies away with death. I mean, Lillard gets
to keep over one hundred million over the next five
years and he gets to go wherever he wants. I mean,
that's got of a big deal. We all aspired to

(40:15):
that exit out by a Fresca exit swollen dome. The
Jason Smith Show with My Best Friend Mike Carmon coming
up next. You want a great hot take for the NBA.
What the Lakers are daring Lebron James to do. That's
next right here, Jason and Mike Fox Sports Radio, Fox

(40:37):
Sports Radio, The Jason Smith Show with my best friend
Mike Carmon. We will get to that fake retirement story
that got a lot of people today. Coming up in
a second.

Speaker 3 (40:46):
That's a good one.

Speaker 1 (40:47):
We just saw absolute history in Major League baseball. Clayton
Kershaw gets strikeout number three thousand, the final out of
the sixth inning. Strikes out Vinnie Capra looking at quintessential.
Here comes outside part of the plate, you know, the
curve that he's thrown his entire career. Here comes and

(41:07):
right on the outside part of the plate, strikeout looking
Dave Roberts is out of the dugout. There was about
a five or six minute pause of the game where
Kershaw got congratulations from his teammates. He waved to the crowd,
the twentieth person in Major League baseball history to get
to three thousand strikeouts we sought just moments ago.

Speaker 4 (41:27):
And exactly the way Kershaw would have wanted it, as
in it ended an inning, so it was a natural
pause in the game to have the celebration, the doffing
of the cap whatever. It wasn't a hey, I've got
a runner on second that I still need to contend with. Everybody,
sit down and shut up. I want to continue going
to work. No, it was his one hundredth pitch of
the night, Dave Roberts. The number of cutaways they did,

(41:49):
they might as well have done a picture and picture
for that half of the inning, because it became me,
I don't really want to go get him. I want
to give him every opportunity to get this milestone. Want
to be I mean, we've seen Dave so many times
with a young pitcher and some of the veterans where
it's like, damnit, he's got a no hitter, but he's
at eighty five eighty seven pitches. We want to win

(42:10):
this game. And that's where you're kind of at with Kershaw.
Here you get the big throwout. We'll keep an eye
on Monthcie, but you got that big throwout of an
attempted steeler for the second out. So it's like, all right,
can we get him through this inning and give him
one more shot and keep the lead where it is
for the White Sox and Kershaw gets capra journeying in
hitting a buck twenty eight. This will be his big

(42:33):
moment because forever he'll be able to sign photos as
the guy that was the three thousandth victim. Yeah, Clayton Kershaw,
Can I see that look on you disagreeing with the
call on the outside part of the play.

Speaker 3 (42:43):
Can we sign that for me?

Speaker 5 (42:44):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (42:44):
Sure, no problem, No, no, no, it's just gonna be
the Kershaw fist bumped. That'll be fifty dollars. I mean
just think about it, like like he gets it. Obviously,
you want it to be in a game where the
Dodgers wanted to be a game where they're winning, where
it's you know, they're in control of this, but they're
losing four to the White Sox. But individually for Kershaw
again his last batter of the game, pitch number one

(43:06):
hundred on his signature pitch to end the inning.

Speaker 1 (43:09):
I mean, all the poetry, that's exactly how you would
want to line it up. The only way is better
is if hey, it's the final out of the game,
the ninth inning, the dog just win. It's a perfect
game and they win. It won nothing, all right, Billy
Chapel alone. You get most of it here. Hey, John
c Riley could have caught that. And and oh, by
the way, hey, I gotta say this phenomenal job of

(43:31):
Will Smith framing that pitch.

Speaker 3 (43:35):
Was dicey.

Speaker 1 (43:35):
That was not something that was Hey, you could see
it right away. This was on the outside corner, right
on the edge of the box and it was a
called strike three. I want to go back to var
uh see you know was it? You know if we
overlay it.

Speaker 3 (43:48):
No all in you knew me, maybe you'd have a
little bit of the zone. And that's where it was.

Speaker 4 (43:54):
I got to think really frustrating for Kershaw with his
placement of pitches all day long. Of you, we're probably
going to get a generous side to side if you
were working it. He was leaving everything over the middle
to get hit and hit hard, like the old rule
of thumb, though, hit them where they ain't, which the
White Sox, while they do have the four to two
lead based on the balls put into play.

Speaker 3 (44:17):
Could have been a lot worse.

Speaker 4 (44:19):
So the fact that you're still within striking distance right now,
one out runners on first and third year bottom of six.
But you know, you also want to do it at home,
and you start looking at the schedule ahead. I guess
you would add another start against the Brewers at home
before the hit the next road trip.

Speaker 1 (44:36):
But you also don't want it hanging in the balance.
Want to look, everybody's there tonight. Look his family has
had they keep cutting away to all the luminaries. That's
probably why Dave Roberts put him back out there for
the six It's like, look, everybody's here.

Speaker 3 (44:47):
Oh, and he doesn't want to be that guy.

Speaker 4 (44:49):
And it's not seven to two sixth okay, And we've
seen them punt many games, not that you want to
do that, not that Kershaw would ever want them to
do that, but how many how many opener games? We
hasn't Keith Hernandez pitched in like eight games already this
year or something like that.

Speaker 1 (45:05):
Absolute history Clayton Kershaw strikeout number three thousand,
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