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Speaker 2 (00:21):
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Speaker 1 (00:30):
Hello, Welcome in Side and I Hate Abner double Day
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Speaker 3 (00:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (00:57):
No, I've gone from hating now I just hate Abner
double Day for venting the bleeping game in the first place. Wow.

Speaker 3 (01:02):
Yeah, I mean, look, you've had some great moments over
the course of your life dedicated to this game. Since
Double Day died in eighteen ninety three. Could it just
be Rob Manford as the current show the organization.

Speaker 1 (01:15):
Because the game would still be going whether Rob Manfred
or Manfred Man was the commissioner, it doesn't matter. Or
Leslie man Sure or or or or Charles Man. They'd
be playing and everybody would be no, No, no, Dad or
double day for inventing a bleeping sport.

Speaker 3 (01:31):
To begin with, I'll make you feel better, how about
Leslie Man. Let's think about her.

Speaker 1 (01:34):
First, I said, Leslie Man. I like Leslie.

Speaker 3 (01:36):
Yeah, but back to her for a second, and it'll
make you feel slightly better.

Speaker 1 (01:40):
Still be a baseball he would still be baseball. The
Mets would still stink. That's why that What have I mean?
My goodness man, I really like goodness.

Speaker 3 (01:48):
Well, for about a month straight we had to listen
to you. Who's got the best record in baseball? Nonsense? Karmas.
You never said that.

Speaker 1 (01:55):
No, I never said that, No, no, no, no, I
never said that.

Speaker 3 (01:57):
Come on, I mean, Karma. Harma's the you know, a
boyfriend on the Chiefs coming home to her, you know,
the whole Taylor Swift thing. But Karma came back on
you and pit you in the ass like so much
of a you know, a meatbone bo like a what
like a meatbone.

Speaker 1 (02:13):
Like a wait, karma bites you on the ass, like
a meatbone.

Speaker 3 (02:17):
Like a big bone. No, I don't.

Speaker 1 (02:19):
I don't understand that, Like what like, what do you
mean like buy a meatbone?

Speaker 4 (02:23):
What?

Speaker 1 (02:23):
First of all, what's a meatbone?

Speaker 3 (02:25):
I don't know. I'm just wrapped her out a boat
like you know, I don't know that's meat.

Speaker 1 (02:29):
It's something that doesn't have meat left on it when
you're done with it.

Speaker 3 (02:32):
Oh, okay, and you'll have the boat.

Speaker 1 (02:34):
It's just a bone, then Frostbury, it's just a boat's
but it's from meat. It's a meatboat. Yeah, but the
meat is on there, then there's no meat. Asking me
to make sense of what Mike was saying, I know,
I try to figure out what a meatbone is. I know,
I understand. I I get I eat.

Speaker 3 (02:46):
Bones, especially beatbones are actually for making flavorful stocks and blots.
Come on trying to clown me.

Speaker 5 (02:52):
I wasn't wrong, just no, no, no, you're trying to be
you're pissed off at the Mets' You're trying to say it, well,
he's ridiculous, Like no, cause you decided did not understand
just being purposeful to.

Speaker 3 (03:07):
You got this.

Speaker 1 (03:07):
Just tried to look up meat bone and whatever AI
said is what you just regurgitated to me. You're relying
on AI.

Speaker 3 (03:13):
No, I was giving you a clinical definition pal.

Speaker 1 (03:16):
Meat bone, although I will say meat bone sounds like
like a rejected name of a Metallica album. Hey, what
do you call this meatbone?

Speaker 3 (03:24):
Though?

Speaker 1 (03:24):
Let's call it load? Yeah, load, Let's go load instead. Hey,
can we call this one meatbone? No reload? Oh reload?

Speaker 3 (03:30):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (03:30):
Yeah, that's dead. Yeah, not meatbone, not meat bone, meat bone,
meat pump. Now a little bit something different tonight to
start the show right, because it clearly the Mets have
stunk for a while. Now we know this. I didn't
know that we were hen I say we the colloquial we,
and I got colloquial in the show so early. It's
because I just had coffee.

Speaker 3 (03:50):
I didn't try.

Speaker 1 (03:52):
I mean, people, who are you know, on the air
talking about sports like we do every night? You know
what we've been doing for a living. I didn't know.
Aparently the last twelve or fourteen hours, I didn't know
you were hated so much by Denzel Washington. I did
not know that I did not know one of the
greatest actors of our generation hated all of us because

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he doesn't like people talking about sports that haven't played
the game professionally. I did not know he hated us
that much. That's a shocker to me. Mike Carmen, I know,
it's insane. I can't watch no I know.

Speaker 3 (04:28):
I mean, he's got plenty of movies that I skipped
past him on cable, so I mean, come on.

Speaker 1 (04:32):
We'll get to that. But I mean, like, I was, like,
he's doing press for this new movie he's got coming
out called No One Will See It. I think that's
the name of the movie. Is that what it's called.
So he's doing press for this new movie, and he
know he's on everywhere. He was on ESPN the other day.
He's doing the press rounds, and he wanted to make
sure that he spent time talking about He doesn't like
what big talking heads and people with microphones talk about

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sports who haven't played it for a living. Here's Denzel
trying to light us all up on him. Pressed to it.

Speaker 6 (05:01):
Everybody's got an opinion. We live in a world of opinionaire.
You know, I just want to call him opinionaires. They're
all the shows, a bunch of the guys and a
couple of them that are played, but most of them
who haven't, who have an opinion about what something should
be when they haven't done it. Those who can't talk
about those who can't. Those who have know what they
talking about. Those who haven't don't period too much talking,

(05:24):
too much talk. Everybody got an opinion. Everybody's sitting around
and getting fatten, you know, thinking they know how to
do it. Just because you can sit behind the desk
and chit chat. That means you can do a damn thing.
Come get up here with me. Let's find out. Come,
get in the gym with me. Let's find out. I mean,
I don't know you you know, I know I can,
I can throw my hands, I can sure do it.

Speaker 1 (05:47):
I can do it for real.

Speaker 6 (05:48):
I don't talk about it.

Speaker 1 (05:50):
Let me Skinny kid.

Speaker 6 (05:52):
You know, who never played a day in his life,
and now he can get back at everybody because he's
got a mic in the space and show need to
shut up. People need to shut up, learn how to
do something, be actually good at something.

Speaker 1 (06:05):
Shut me an ass can't cook. Hey, God, So first
thing I want to say is this is everybody fat
behind a microphone or are we all skinny? Because he said,
you know, fat behind a microphone, yet skinny kids that
never played the game, Like, I don't like you gotta
pick a lane. Man, You can't say we're fat and skinny?

Speaker 3 (06:22):
Rights, Yeah, I mean by by having success behind a microphone,
even you haven't done anything and you're skinny and.

Speaker 1 (06:29):
Getting fat, skinny people getting fat or fat people getting
skinny with now he was doing this microphone.

Speaker 3 (06:35):
While promoting a film on ESPN and then doing the
rest of the rounds with a bunch of people that
just comment on movies. Yeah, he's doing all that to
promote the movie. And then okay, and then because he
acted like a cop or a hit man or a
tough guy in a movie that what what am I

(06:57):
supposed to take from that? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (06:58):
Well, well here's the thing I think the best thing
to do im. Look, we can get into different aspects
of all. Apparently he hates all of us that haven't
played a sport professionally. What we got only a couple
and I like when he they asked him to pick
the big UFC fight coming up and he says, I can't.
I can't like I'm I'm I'm true to myself. I can't.
He'd be the worst sports talk radio host ever. Oh,
who's gonna win the fight? I don't know.

Speaker 3 (07:18):
I can't.

Speaker 1 (07:19):
They're both great. Alvarez is great.

Speaker 3 (07:21):
Oh.

Speaker 1 (07:21):
I can't pick. I can't pick. I can't pick. I
can't do it. Like, hey, I'm true to myself, look
at me. So instead, I think the best thing to
do is if Denzel says he doesn't like us, I
think it's only fair since we have microphones, you know,
and we're we're you know, we're we're both fat and skinny.
I think we can you know, we were fat and
now we're skinny. So maybe maybe he was talking about
both of us, my Carmen, because you know, we were
both overweight weight loss and now we're skinny. He's like, okay,

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I saw fat and skinny guy's fat skinny guys. Or
he just plays that hockey game from Sega in the
eighties with the fat guys and the skinny guys. So
I think the best thing to do is this, Okay,
all right, Denzel, here's what I don't like. Here's what
I can't stand. Training day would have been one of
the top ten movies of all time. Think about that.
That that's how good Training Day was. Training Day was amazing,

(08:07):
and then you're ruin it in the last fifteen minutes
because you have to have that crazy ass Oh this
happened to be my cousin and you saved my cousin,
and oh, I gotta have my.

Speaker 2 (08:17):
Moment King Kong.

Speaker 1 (08:18):
Ain't God knowing me? You gotta have ruined the movie
could have been an all time top I mean, that's
how good Training Day was. If you end it in
the scene in the bathroom, stop it with with Ethan Hawk, yeah,
and Mets game, they'd be undefeated exactly. But you don't
do that. But you don't need the end of that.
But you know that was well you know, you know, no,

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we don't really don't know, especially not tonight. We did
not need the end of that game. We needed like well,
we didn't need any of the Mets game tonight. But
you if you ended Training Day after that, it would
be Wow. That is that is one of the greatest
dramas of all time. It was shot well, the acting
was phenomenal. I love Denzel and how would you know
what the Russians? But it doesn't mean you just have
that scene at the end and say, here's what the

(08:59):
Russians are. But you have this stupid contrived ending of
oh wait, who is this? Oh you happen to save
my cousin earlier today, and then oh, now Denzel's a
bad guy and he has to have the moment when
it was such an incredible movie, but you have to
have them. You ruined. Here you go, Denzel, you ruined
the end of Training Day. And that's why we talk

(09:19):
about Training Day as being Wow, it's a really, really,
really good movie, instead of Hey, that's on the Metal
Stand top ten movies of all time. So you ruin that.
So there you go. How about that? I don't know anything.
I'm just the guy that goes to movies for the
last fifty years of my life. I don't know. But
you ruined the end of that movie. There, how's that?
I feel better?

Speaker 3 (09:35):
Well, I mean you never acted in the movie. I
mean you were never the greatest fictional coach of all
time Herman Boone. Oh wait, that was an ESPN whole question,
you know.

Speaker 1 (09:44):
And that's my second one. Right, that's my second one
for Denzel. Right, here's the other thing. Nobody wins a
championship in football at any level with six offensive plays. Nobody.
You could stop six offensive plays in the veer. Look this, Oh,
it's like Novacame. Every time you will stop six plays. Right,
all they gotta do, is it? Really, that's all they

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run in six places? Yeah, when they do this, this
is what the play is. When they do this, they
do this. Okay, great, nobody. And in the movie, remember
the Titans, Herman Boone didn't run six plays. He had
a limited playbook. But it wasn't sixth place. Nobody. I
know that you wanted to say, hey, we're gonna do
this for effect and show you that I believe in
a limited playbook and team work. Nobody wins a championship
with six plays. Nobody, especially since oh it's six plays

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and a double reverse quarterback half back pass that wins
a chance state champion.

Speaker 3 (10:32):
That was the sixth place.

Speaker 1 (10:33):
Here's the second. We've fun these five and then hey
breaks five.

Speaker 3 (10:38):
We need one more.

Speaker 1 (10:39):
So there's there's a there's another one that was ridiculously stupid. Okay,
you know again, great movie ruined by the really six plays,
six plays, really six plays, sixth place? As you saw
six plays with the first quarterback with Donald fai Is
on TJ. He was really a scrub and they had
to make the change to Sunshine at quarterback. Really, so

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all of a sudden when we make this change and
suddenly now, oh yeah, yeah, all these these six plays
are great. Now nobody wents titled with that. So there,
I feel better. Now I feel better. They go to
a Denzel's biggest movies, huge problems with them, and now
we've had a chance to talk about them. I gotta
quote the great Jeffrey Lebowski here, Okay, go ahead. That's
just like your opinion, man, Now my opinion is right

(11:21):
on this. It's absolutely right.

Speaker 3 (11:23):
No, not yes, that's the beauty of all of that.
That's right. Is it's all hot take nonsense, and you
take from it what you will. You entertain, you're outgraded,
you're engaged, whatever, Just like all of these I mean,
was he really a guy? Uh you wanted to go
back to easy rollins? Did he really run that line?
I don't know? Was he really possessed and fallen when

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John Goodman came after money?

Speaker 1 (11:45):
Come on, you can't get out from under John Goodman.
Come on, man, is this your homework, Larry? Is this
your homework, Larry.

Speaker 3 (11:52):
Just just going on down the line. I mean, I
just I just want to say, it's all make belief.

Speaker 1 (11:57):
If that's how Denzel feels about what we let me
tell you about some stuff in the cinema, which is
also a profession that people don't do it. They make up,
they say stuff about it, they say all that, like
that's more made up than sports, Like this is just
we make up what is good in a movie and what.

Speaker 3 (12:12):
We really did. He really time travel to become Macronus
and Gladiator too. I don't think so.

Speaker 1 (12:19):
Well, that's the thing that you did. That's the last
thing I want to say, dude, I need to trust.
You're supposed to ask me to trust your judgment on
things when you did Gladiator too, not what you did
Gladiator Too.

Speaker 3 (12:28):
Now.

Speaker 1 (12:28):
I love the Equalizer movies and some of your other
the unsung stuff that he did I think is phenomenal. Right,
some stuff in the early mid two thousands he did
was really good. But I want to say, like, Okay,
you want to trust your judgment. What went through your
mind when you said Gladiator too and a lot of
other people said yeah, no, I don't want to go
back to that but you said, yeah, Gladiator too. Tell

(12:49):
tell me about that. Tell me what you did say
that yesterday, Tell me about that. But I trust your judgment.

Speaker 3 (12:54):
But all of it. You know, when you when you're
taking on a role as he has, and you know,
all the way through so many years and so many movies, Uh,
you're you're trying to figure out the motivations and and
looking through the lens and here here's your perspective on
a bunch of occupations and places and people you've never
been or seen, which is exactly what we're doing on

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the radio, and so many people going through do through
their lives. So I thought it's kind of funny that
you're gonna try to attack while saying, hey, go watch
my movie while I'm talking to these guys that do
it exactly that job.

Speaker 1 (13:29):
I play other people and and and play fictional characters,
and I want you to judge me and come see that.
But this stuff we actually see that's on the field.
Yeah no, No, don't listen to people who haven't played
Oh okay, I got it, I got I got it.
I got it.

Speaker 3 (13:43):
Now that's okay. Well he got us to talk about him.
Did we mention what the new project was Now I
don't think we did. We did.

Speaker 1 (13:49):
I told you the time.

Speaker 3 (13:49):
I told you.

Speaker 1 (13:50):
It's it's called hang I got to It's called The
Last Thing You Want to See? That's what That's what
it's called. That's the title of the.

Speaker 3 (13:55):
Movie, End of the World. It's a dystopian movie set
and what city.

Speaker 1 (14:02):
No, no, wait, I'm sorry. That was the working title.
They change it. It's it's only in theaters for a
short time. That's the name of the movie.

Speaker 3 (14:10):
Wow, that was just cool.

Speaker 1 (14:13):
Well originally it was called straight to video, but then
they decided, I don't know, people, would you know, really
get that still with video and not understanding it, just
like your career. Yeah, straight just straight to video.

Speaker 3 (14:23):
Why are you out?

Speaker 1 (14:24):
Why do you have Denzel Washington's back on this? Frostburg?
He hates you too, Actually he doesn't, Yeah he does.
You've discussed this, me and him, You and hell really
you and Denzel hang out and say we hung out.
We discussed that though. Oh okay, all right, very good,
All right, Well I didn't at all. Oh okay, I
didn't coming on the show. Now can you book them
so we could talk about the end of training day,
which was ruined with the whole moment thing. Can you

(14:46):
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two thousands and today?

Speaker 3 (16:27):
Right?

Speaker 1 (16:27):
All right, Yeah, that's the thing.

Speaker 3 (16:28):
That's team run in the Gamut. Absolutely, we're gonna go.

Speaker 1 (16:32):
And I'm down with that. I'm down with that because
I got to hear Skater Boy on my way in tonight.
I was very excited. I was very excited. I'm the
only guy with the windows rolled down. He was a
Skater Boys just said see your ladder Boy Lost Boys shirt. Yeah,
got my Lost Boys T shirt today. Now I'm feeling it, man,
I'm feeling it.

Speaker 3 (16:49):
But that's just it. You gotta own it. That is
the thing that puts you into your happy place. Right.
We talked about Happy Gilmore Happy Gilmour too a couple
of weeks ago at its release. Find your happy place
and if that's what gets you in a good state
of mind to go and be better about your day
as opposed to being angry at the world. Like Denzel Washington,
you do that.

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today in college football because we got an absolute gift

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where the Associated Press today put out they're number one
the Associated Press All time team in college football, the
first team all time All Americans. So basically this was
first string, best guys to play their position in the
history of college football. Now what did they take into account?
You had to be a first team All American at

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least once. Your professional career was not taken into account
at all. And you saw the headline today with some
guys at the top, right, Randy Moss and Larry Fitzgerald
were the two wide receivers starting on the All Time
College Football AP All American Team. And this was Nike,
you know, seeing all these listens, seeing these names, and
one thing they talked about on listens, We're gonna get

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to a couple of things absolutely hundred percent agree with,
a couple of things completely disagree with. But like, I
like the fact that they took into account. Hey, the
recency bias is you want to make sure, But I'm like, okay,
when you say recency bias, I'm pretty sure that you know,
as far as college football goes, we can go back
to the seventies if we need to and not feel like, hey,

(18:37):
we're missing you know, because really, okay, I can't say
that I can go back and say, well, you know,
Johnny Lujack clearly was the best, you know quarterback, and
you know, I mean I would take mister inside over
mister outside. You know, I mean, clearly, Jay Burwanger, maybe,
like I get it when if you're saying nineteen seventy
later you're worried about recency bias, Like that's fine. That's
the modern era of college football, that's where things changed.

(18:58):
It's you know, it's kind of like in move where
you just had the fiftieth anniversary of Jaws a few
weeks ago, and that was the movie that ushered in
the modern era of movies. And really, when you measure
movies against each other, it's kind of when Jaws debuted
to now and then before Jaws, so you kind of say, okay,
their late sixties, nineteen seventies in college football to today,

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and then you had way before that where offense where
no one threw the football. The single wing offense was
the Mike Martz inspired scheme that was gonna win all
these games. They come out of the huddle in a snake.
We don't know where the ball is going. There's five
running backs. So I feel okay with that. The whole
recency buy is taking into account. I feel good with that.
I say this because you know two people I'm going

(19:40):
to say that should be on this list. You might
say recncy buyas. So I just want to throw that
out there for the beginning.

Speaker 3 (19:46):
It's also, you know, it's all fine. It's based on
what you've seen, what you've done, whatever. Like we talk
about favorite movies, we may have some favorites from the
forties and fifties. They generally don't you know, we're broadcasting.
We're trying to grab everybody in. It's not a you know, hey,
the History Channel. Let me let me go back and
bring you back in. I'm not all of a sudden

(20:07):
bringing my guy in, you know, like he's doing ken
Burns and we're doing the you know, the retro. No, no, no, no,
We're trying to you know, appeal to the masses. Yeah,
you want to educate and inform, but you know, I
don't know, I have to spoon feed you. You have
to have seen so you could say, yeah, that guy
was really good as opposed to I don't know. Let
me go see what kind of loops from the black

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and white footage they got for me here.

Speaker 1 (20:31):
Now, the first thing I'm gonna say is this, because
I know this is a lot of controversy. Look, I'd
love to find a way to say this is not
the answer. But Tim Tebow is, according to the ap
List APIL best college quarterback of all time one hundred
percent agree. Nobody had the career Tim Tebow did, which
was two national championships and a Heisman Trophy. People forget,

(20:52):
oh well college, Yeah, you know in college he threw
for three thousand yards a year. He threw for thirty touchdowns.
This is not Tim t And also, oh, by the way, well,
thirty touchdowns is pretty good. His touchdowns he ran for
twenty three touchdowns in two thousand and seven. Right, thirty
two touchdowns passing twenty three touchdowns running. I have not
seen a better college quarterback at all levels of the

(21:15):
game than Tim Tebow. Again, college not pro. You're taking
this out of it. He's got the resume, he has
the numbers, he has the accomplishments. He's got a statue
because of the pregame sp or the postgame speech he
gave after a loss where they use that to spur
on to win a national title. Like, yeah, I am
all in. Tim Tebow is the best college quarterback. I've
said this before. He's the best college quarterback that I've

(21:37):
ever seen. And I have no issue with him being
the best quarterback on the list.

Speaker 3 (21:41):
I mean, you actually even had him air yards per
attempt where he was a leader. It wasn't just a hey,
hitch and scheme. It up to where guys were sprinting
to daylight.

Speaker 1 (21:50):
Or the jump passes on the golt where he would
you know, he would run to the line of scrimmage
and just do that jump pass, which I loved that
jump pass.

Speaker 3 (21:56):
Well that just did I mean, I go all the
way back we had some of the guys. That was
some of the best plays the Bears had back at
the team.

Speaker 1 (22:03):
Oh yeah, sure, sure, that completely Watch what Vince Evans
does here. It's a jump pass to Walter Payton.

Speaker 3 (22:12):
You used to do that every now and again. Yeah, yeah, certainly.

Speaker 1 (22:16):
I am completely in on Tebow, and I know that
he's very polarizing because of how his professional career went.
But I mean, do you remember going back, the guy
was a monster, right. He came off the bench Florida's
first national championship with Urban Meyer. Right, he was the
relief quarterback Chris Leak was the starter and Florida was loaded.
He would come off the bench. And not the first

(22:36):
time we saw that in college football. Washington won a
national title in the nineties with Billy Joe Horbert playing
quarterback and Mark Brunell coming back from injury. We get
a couple of series of game, but Tibo would come
in and he would completely take over the game. It's
almost like when the Warriors were winning their titles, and
all the stars would go to the bench and here
comes a second unit and all of a sudden, wait,
the lead is now at fifteen.

Speaker 3 (22:56):
It was eight?

Speaker 1 (22:57):
How is it more? With Sean Livingston on the floor.
Like that's what Tebou did the first year he came in.
He would play a bunch of series. He would punish
people with runs up the middle, still able to throw
the football, and then of course he goes into national championship,
Heisman Trophy, National Championship. I don't think there's any quarterback
as decorated overall as Tim Tebow in the modern era

(23:19):
of college football. Two titles of Heisman Trophy three years
ap all American quarterback. Like you're really searching for reasons basically,
just don't like t Bow. If you're saying, ah, he's
a great you just don't because there's no real way
I think you can cut it up. I mean, yes,
recency buys, but this goes back to the early two thousands.
You're kind of in the middle of the run of

(23:39):
college football from the seventies to where we are now.
So yeah, don't. I don't think there's anything wrong with that.
I think people that are saying it's not Tebow, I
think you're just insane.

Speaker 3 (23:47):
Well, it's also we talk about the change of the position.
We talk about it for the pros all the time,
right when we go back and look at statistics of
guys that are massive Hall of famers that don't get
there just due guys like Bradshaw, guys like a and
where it's like, well, bradshot through too many interceptions. Different
downfield passing game back then where interceptions weren't as scorned

(24:08):
and we didn't look so much in terms of touchdown
to interception ratio, Troy Aikman being a field general with
a lot of the run game and balance where you again,
you weren't trying to throw forty five touchdowns a year.
It wasn't all on your arm. Same thing in college football,
same kind of measurements along the way. And also for
Tim Tebow, I think he's the guy that it became

(24:29):
the poster boy for how great Even though there were
plenty that preceded him and plenty after him of college
quarterbacks who had great success and all these awards and
accomplishments and then didn't pan out at the pro level,
he became the poster child for that except for the
one throw to beat the Steelers in the playoffs. Other
than that, it was a good pro career that went

(24:52):
to the wayside. So it kind of just takes him
and takes what he did in college, and people try
to bury that a little bit. Can't do it here.
You have to go back and celebrate what he was.

Speaker 1 (25:03):
Now where I disagree is he beats out Vince Young
as the greatest college football quarterback of all time. Vince
Young was great, Like you're talking about splitting here, some
of my greatest of all time. Vince Young gets all
that run because of the national championship game he had
against against USC. Vince Young was a great quarterback in college.
But you look at it. You look at his numbers
when he won nationally, like, okay, well, he threw for

(25:25):
twenty touchdowns and you know, he ran for twenty touchdowns.
He had a thousand yards rushing. He threw for under
three thousand yards. Like, Vince Young was still a terrific quarterback.
Don't get me wrong, but he wasn't great. He wasn't
as great as the guy I'm gonna say should be
number two. He but he gets the he gets this
nod all this because of that legendary Bowl game. He
hasn't Oh my goodness, right, but I think one game

(25:47):
you kind of have to back off, and all right, it's
one game. Does that really put him ahead of the
guy I'm gonna say and the guy I'm gonna say.
You can say recency biased, but I don't know that
anybody has had a season like what he's done in
the history of college football. And I'm going back to
twenty nineteen and I'm gonna say it should have been
Tim Tebow number one, beating out Joe Burrow at number two.

(26:11):
Burrow had a great he had a great career, right,
really good. But his senior year, right, you're talking about
greatest players of all time when LSU won the national championship,
won the Heisman, he threw sixty touchdowns. Man sixty touchdowns.
When we want to celebrate Vince Young, for hey, he
had thirty five touchdowns, and here's sixty touchdowns. He threw

(26:32):
for fifty six hundred yards. His completion percentage was seventy
six percent. This guy made an absolute mockery of college football.
And yes, he had talented guys around him, but you
saw him. But I remember in college going, man, this
guy is Eli Manning on steroids, and mean I mean
metaphorical steroids, Like he knows I'm going with the football

(26:54):
to a spot where I know my wide receiver is
gonna win a one on one battle. He always made
the right decision, he read the field well. Again, it's
hard to get past that ten and a half yards
per attempt. Like all these other numbers, these video game
numbers that these guys have had over the course of
their career. I mean, you want to put that up,
it pales against Joe Burrow. Now, Burrow had the one

(27:15):
great year like the year before was good for him,
but he really exploded. But it doesn't matter. You're talking
about one of the greatest college football players to ever
play and one season of sixty touchdowns with oh, by
the way, six interceptions, so at ten to one touchdown
to interception ratio ratio. First team All American win National Championship.
I mean sixty and fifty six hundred yards man fifty

(27:37):
six hundred yards in thirteen games, not fifty six hundred
yards in eighteen games like you would get if you
played in the NFL and you had an extra game
in the regular season. But this season, it's hard to
look back and say, yeah, it's anything but Joe Burrow.
I mean, it gives Tim Tebow a run. But Tebow
had the level of excellence and all the stuff he's
able to accomplish with three years of being being absolute

(28:00):
terrific and specifically his last two years, that gives me
the nod for him over Joe Burrow.

Speaker 3 (28:04):
Well, like the like the Joe Burrow pick. I also
add five rushing touchdowns along the way in that magnificent season,
I'd be REMISSI we didn't at least give a give
a nod to the longevity, history and brilliance of Tommy Fraser.
Right Heisman runner up, two time National title, legend, All

(28:25):
America MVP, and three three Big Bowl games. I mean
all of that, you know, just check check check check.
So longevity, and you know, talking about the outlier seasons
for Young and and for Burrow, magnificent seasons that they were.
But you know the career of Tommy Fraser, so I
guess it. You know, we kind of quibble as to,

(28:46):
you know, the build and longevity of a guy's run
versus that flash because you and I were on air
for the Burrow stuff and just talking about that weekly
was insane.

Speaker 1 (28:55):
Yeah, no, it was. And you know, and the thing is,
Tommy Fraser gets a lot of run. And I think
he gets more run because he was the quarterback of
that great run of Nebraska teams. Right. I think that
because you look at what he did. You think, okay,
if you said, what were Tommy Fraser's numbers, like, well,
he probably ran for a thousand yards every year, was
a great running quarterback. He probably threw for you know,
a couple thousand, you know, maybe two thousand yards. His

(29:18):
best year throwing the football was thirteen hundred yards, right,
His best year running the football was seven hundred yards.

Speaker 3 (29:24):
Right.

Speaker 1 (29:25):
The last two years where he was so great. You know,
look that the one year he was injured in ninety four,
he didn't play a lot, right, he only played four games,
but he ran for six hundred seven hundred yards, four
hundred yards. It's not like he was you know, Vince,
he was Vince Young. But but he gets but it
was a different time in college football. And I get that,
and being the MVP of the bowl games and the
national title games, I understand that. But when you look

(29:47):
at the percentage of offense that he was responsible for.
I'm gonna say, yeah, I have no problem keeping him
a little bit lower on the list.

Speaker 3 (29:56):
Let me give you one more guy, camw.

Speaker 1 (30:00):
I thought you. I know you're gonna say you a
more guy, Kyle McCord. Yeah, okay, okay.

Speaker 3 (30:05):
Wow, No, come on, you're all still in feeling all
sad about your mets. I can't try to make you
feel better by bringing the cord up. All right.

Speaker 1 (30:19):
Uh so they got Look we got more on this
list because yay, some great stuff they got right with
running backs and stuff. They didn't get right with running backs.
But telling me man, Tim Tebow number one, Yeah, I
like Burrow, you got Tommy Fraser, Cam Newton had a
phenomenal year in twenty ten. I mean, that's why this
is a great, great list. Time now to find out
what's trending in the wide world of sports with someone
who is on the first team AP All American list

(30:41):
of Update anchors. It's Monte Milagna. What an honor, Yeah,
what an honor. Thank you so much. Three years of excellence.
One year you were hurt. You only did a couple
of updates. But that's okay, you know, yeah, no.

Speaker 7 (30:52):
You're right, you're right, what and honor pleasure to be here.
Happy Thursday, guys. One game going on in baseball and
it's the Diamondbacks in the Rocky Easy gotch all this
action on FS one. Diamond Backs up eight to one
right now, bottom of the seventh inning, about to start.

Speaker 1 (31:06):
All the other games have wrapped up.

Speaker 7 (31:07):
Glaber Torres with the sock flying the eleventh inning as
a Tigers held on four to three against the Twins.
Ozzie Alby's had a home run total of three RBI
and the Braves edge the Mets four to three. The
Guardians scored four runs in the seventh inning and to
beat the Marlins nine to four. Cleveland is now half
a game back on the Yankees for the final Waldcart
spot in the AL. The Nationals handed the Phillies are

(31:28):
third straight loss, coming out on top three to two.
Orioles snapped the Mariners winning streak yesterday. They won again
today five to three. Vladimir Gairero Junior with the two
run shot. Blue Jays beat the Cubs to one. In
NFL news, Chargers announced that Justin Herbert is going to
start our quarterback in their preseason game on Saturday against
the Rams. It's gonna be Herbert's first career preseason appearance.

(31:50):
Cowboys announced that Joe Milton is going to start our
quarterback Saturday against the Ravens. You're not going to see
JJ McCarthy for the Vikings because they announced that it's
going to be Sam Howell who starts at quarterback for
their second preseason game against the Patriots. When it comes
to quarterback Matthew Stafford, Rams head coach Sean McVay mentioned
that he is going to have a workout on Saturday.

Speaker 1 (32:10):
Stafford has not practiced.

Speaker 7 (32:11):
During training camp because of an aggravated disc in his back.
And lastly here Chief Swade receiver Rashid Rice has a
disciplinary hearing scheduled for September thirtieth. Rice will remain eligible
to play for the Chiefs first four games of the season,
barring the reaching of a disciplinary settlement beforehand.

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Speaker 2 (33:11):
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Speaker 1 (33:19):
G I wonder who the play of the day is
gonna be? Hmmm if we're playing Ozzie. I wonder. Jason
Smith Show with Mike Harmon, Live from the Fox Sports
Radio Studios. An NFL story that I'm really surprised we're
doing today for the first time coming up in a minute.

(33:39):
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(34:04):
named Ozzie must be the play of the day.

Speaker 2 (34:10):
To white Field a pretty deep.

Speaker 1 (34:18):
And Braves TV on the call as I, uh open
a diet coke of despair.

Speaker 3 (34:36):
Well, I mean you didn't go full on in so
you know you're not just tablespooning some sugar indias, So
you're okay.

Speaker 1 (34:43):
It's just comical, man, It's just comical.

Speaker 3 (34:45):
Now, are you too? And ten since the deadline or
something like that?

Speaker 1 (34:48):
Oh yeah, yeah yeah, And uh, I feel like, you know,
the baseball gods let the Mets win. When Alonzo broke
the record for Darrel Star, Okay, we got to give
him that. But now we're not gonna win another game,
not gonna This has been the worst run of baseball
in New York.

Speaker 3 (35:04):
In yeah, both sides, absolutely absurd.

Speaker 1 (35:09):
Both the Mets and the Yankees are both holding onto
the last wild card by a game. Reds fans have
to wake up every day and go man, the Mets
find a way to lose all the time. This is great.
We're not great, but hey, if the other team loses
every day and we go five hundred, we're gonna be
a wild card. Like that's I mean, I can't get
over it.

Speaker 3 (35:27):
Well, you know what's funny is he? Uh? Alonzo also
inscribed a ball that said down goes Straw that has
people up in arms in New York.

Speaker 1 (35:34):
Yeah, yeah, that could be the I would say the
Curse of the Pin a Lonzo ball, But we've been
losing way before that, so it really doesn't matter.

Speaker 3 (35:41):
No, I mean, it's.

Speaker 1 (35:43):
Difference.

Speaker 3 (35:44):
Well, did you did you lose a bet with you know?
Did did you meet down at the crossroads and you
had an expiration date that you misread or what?

Speaker 1 (35:52):
Well, listen, I want to tell you. We uh green
lit a little script called Damn Mets, which is a
sequel to Damn Yankees. And apparently last year the year
that I bargained my soul for. So yeah, and I
gotta remember next time, bargain your soul for winning the
World Series not making the NLCS. I gotta remember that.
That's what helps. So in the NF I really am

(36:13):
surprised we haven't done this story before.

Speaker 3 (36:16):
Now.

Speaker 1 (36:17):
CBSTV in Georgia misspelled quarterback Michael Pennix's name, and you
can imagine exactly how it was spelled for a few
seconds before they fixed it, you know, doing his press conference,
ya coming off after practice, and it said Michael Pennix,
except the X was replaced with an S and it

(36:39):
was up for a few seconds. Then it was hot chicked,
doesn't matter, just has to get up there once everybody
sees it. The Internet. Things live forever, and I'll be
on you know, you could say, how does this happen?
How does this happen? Hows this happened? I'm gonna say,
I really can't believe it hasn't happened before now. I
mean not just because X and S are so close

(37:01):
to each other on the on the keyboard where you
could you type it and miss and do it, but like, really,
like that's been the thing with his name since he
was a quarterback in Indiana. It's been Oh, someone's gonna
make that mistake. You know, someone's gonna make that mistake. Really,
I can't believe we got all the way to year
two in the NFL before it happened.

Speaker 3 (37:17):
We didn't have anything where they had to scrub it
off a broadcast or made fun of it. I didn't
go down the full rabbit hole, but I'm I can't
remember it. So that's kind of impressive that it means
that people really put that as a point of emphasis
on all of their call sheets, all of their addiction
to make sure, all right, I'm gonna get this right.

(37:39):
We're gonna go slowly so we don't have any excited utterances.

Speaker 1 (37:45):
I mean, because I know, I know absolutely how it happened.
Because a control room on television, you know, working in
control as I did for a long time, it's a machine, right.
You trust the people to type stuff and put it
at You know, there's there's fifteen or twenty people in
a control room. There's a director, there's a technical director.
There's people doing Chiron's, which are the fonts on TV.

(38:06):
And there's a bunch of people doing their jobs. And
wait when they go on the air. It is a machine, Okay,
chron get ready, put it in, put it in, great,
take it out, take it out? Ready ready, camera four,
go here, And you trust everybody to do their jobs.
And the thing is is that it's really the producer's job,
because basically the producer gets the show ready and then

(38:26):
turns it over to the director when they're in the
when they're in the in the studio and okay, and
the producers really a troubleshooter, keeping everybody the time, figuring
out issues like it's the producer's job to see Okay,
there's a font before it goes on screen, because you
see it's it's a it's in like a preview window
where you see it before it goes up. And I'm
sure no one just saw it because they've typed Michael

(38:46):
Pennox's name a thousand times before. Here it is Michael PENNOCKX.
Insert there it is. Wait oh and then you see
what's on the air. Wait, change it. It's an X.
It's an X. Change it, okay, hot change it and
it goes up. But I see how it does because
the way a control room is is that when when
you do shows for a living for so long, and
you're doing two or three new shows a day, the

(39:07):
same crew is doing it. Yeah, stuff like this is
gonna happen because there's not there's not as many people
to throw the emergency brake and which is why I'm
really surprised it didn't happen until now. With Michael Pennix's name.

Speaker 3 (39:20):
Also, a lot fewer people to throw under the bus.
I mean, who take here's the fall guy for this?

Speaker 1 (39:24):
Oh yeah, well the person No, the person typing the
name in.

Speaker 3 (39:27):
That's okay. So you can go all the way back
to them and not you know, all the checks and
balances up the ladder. I mean someone's you know, someone's
in charge, not that.

Speaker 1 (39:35):
Guy and the thing right, but I mean you're the
but you trust that person to do that job and
to and to put and to put the fonts in
right because they do it all the time. And all right,
that's great. This is the fonts. This is so and so.
Who's you know, a mayor's aid, this is so and so,
concerned citizen. You know all the fonts that go up there,
Trust them, trust trying to move up the ladder. I'm

(39:56):
gonna put an ess in for Michael Pennix. Want everybody
in this room.

Speaker 3 (40:00):
I see what I slacker this guy is. He's not
doing any of the checks on my work, so blank him.
I'm doing all the grunt worth work and all he
does is just to point.

Speaker 1 (40:10):
Exit out bout a Fresca exit swollen Dome. Jason Smith,
Mike Harmon. Coming up next, we get back into the
biggest football debate of the day. Jason Smith, Mike Harmon.
This is Fox Sports Radio. And it's been as bad
a time baseball wise for the three highest market teams
in baseball, the Dodgers, the Mets, and the Yankees. Nobody

(40:32):
is happy with the three biggest fan bases and the
three biggest markets teams in the biggest markets on all
of baseball. Like they're all struggling so much. The Dodgers,
as we spent all this money and brought all these
guys in and we're looking up at the Padres and
the Mets like we went and gave Juan Soto seven
hundred and sixty million dollars and we can't win. And
the Yankees are saying we were just in the World

(40:53):
Series and now we're struggling to stay ahead of the
Red Sox who quit in the beginning of April, Like
this is it. This is his bad as it's been
for those three teams all together in a long time.

Speaker 3 (41:03):
Man, boo, Well, and then you go and let's rope
in the North side of Chicago, where things were great
for long on stole Kyle Tucker. As people point out,
he's got as many RBIs in the month of August
as you and I do combined. I think it's better
than PCA style.

Speaker 1 (41:20):
Yeah, I think PCA has as many strikeouts this month
as Kyle Tucker has RBIs.

Speaker 3 (41:25):
Oh. No, I was gonna, I was gonna get to him,
because I mean, we're talking about a guy who hasn't
hasn't done anything positive in a long time.

Speaker 1 (41:31):
I mean, he's like, he's like eight for his last
one hundred and ninety at bats. Like, let's Pete crow Arms.

Speaker 3 (41:37):
Pretty amazing for a guy that was second in MVP
balloting and odds for a good three months.

Speaker 1 (41:44):
They went from leading the NL Central and I thought
a little bit before the deadline, I would say not
quite at the deadline, But when we got to the
beginning of July, I thought, this lineup, they're gonna wind
up with the best record in Major League Baseball. They're
gonna best record because the look the Padres are really good,
the Giants are hanging around the Dodgers. You know, you
got a lot of games and division. The Diamondbacks are
still pretty good. Okay, Uh, they're gonna have a tough time,

(42:07):
you know, getting the having the most wins, and it's
gonna be the Cubs. And now instead they're going into
this weekend series saying, hey, we could it could be
over after this because it once a seven and a
half game lead for the Brewers. Now, so yeah, you
want to talk the top three and then the White
Sox are the White Sox. All you talk about the
top three markets in all of Major League Baseball, it's bad. Man.
I still would rather be the Dodgers ahead of out

(42:30):
all of those because clearly the path to winning. The
Dodgers still have that great path because they're their team
is just so good it's too big to fail. But man,
I mean, I don't know when it's been this much
hitting the skids, how depressed a fan base is in
the top three markets in a while, because they all
have expectations. It's one thing to come into a season
go oh we stink we're not in the good Okay, no,
but you have expectations for the first two and a

(42:52):
half three months and now suddenly it's what the hell
has happened to us?

Speaker 3 (42:55):
Well? But I mean, go through those four teams. The
only one that got active at the deadline and it
just hasn't worked was the Yankees. But he else more
or less stood pad on where they were, particularly the Cubs.
They brought in Soroka. Okay, great that that did nothing,
and then your offense went to hell for the Dodgers,
you know, they did all the off season work and
then it became a all right, everybody's gonna get healthy

(43:16):
and we're gonna run through and look now Mookie Bets
is hitting. Then that's great, but it hasn't been able
to offset some of the other fails. And the bullpen
with tired arms just go around into all of these
your guys with with the Mets. You've been joking about
it for months, just saying, can we just get somebody
one more armed to spell one of these guys? So yeah,

(43:37):
on fumes as we go through in the final six
weeks are interestingly and look at the brus did all
this even with Churio uh and Misowski on the IL.

Speaker 1 (43:45):
Yeah, well, I mean Misowski at least got a mega
charge is Ard.

Speaker 3 (43:48):
So so it was showing that you know, all those
guys were living right because even then he's buying boxes
of cards and scorn.

Speaker 1 (43:58):
I mean it is just it is bleak for these teams.
It is bleak when you think about going forward, like
like watching some of these teams like that, it's not like, hey,
they've lost a couple of games and somebody's got hot.
It's it's been subpar play for months, right. It's the
Dodgers had a great record to start the last two months,
under five hundred. Met's the same way, Yankees the same way,

(44:19):
Cubs the same way. It's just for the Led to
just hit the skids after all this expectation that that's
that's really difficult, man. I mean, bleak is a great word.

Speaker 3 (44:28):
They know.

Speaker 1 (44:29):
We don't use bleak enough. I think bleak is a
really good word.

Speaker 3 (44:31):
That's good. I mean we've used peaky, but we haven't
used sure. I mean there is bleaker streets. So we
talk horror movies, we get into that.

Speaker 1 (44:40):
But uh so, speaking of horror movies, no, no, we're
not gonna do that. Uh So I mentioned a few
minutes ago. Look, the big sports debate of the day,
the most fun debate. Uh The Associated Press came out
with their All American list of the best players to
ever play college football, at every position. Right, So this
is basically the Associated Press put out, here's the best

(45:00):
players in the history of college football the first team.
The best quarterback is Tim Tebow. The best too, because
there's two wide receiver spots. It's Randy Moss and Larry Fitzgerald.
Bill Freelick is on the offensive line. And you see
some of the names and some of the legends, and
it's fun to sit here and go, wow, man, in
one hundred some odd years of college football, here's the
AP saying these are the best players, and it's an

(45:22):
awesome list. And we talked about the quarterbacks a few
minutes ago, and you know, look the wide receivers. It's
hard to argue with Randy Moss and Larry Fitzgerald. Again,
recency bias, I understand. But when you get to the
running backs. The running backs again is where I say, yeah,
they got one really right and one really wrong, and
the one they got really right. I don't think there's

(45:43):
anybody arguing with Barry Sanders having the greatest college football
season as a running back ever. I mean, I mean,
you're going back to nineteen eighty nine, which again is
in the middle of the modern era, which if you
want to say, is late sixties to now in college football,
there was nothing. There was nothing like Barrys and Er season.
It was jaw dropping, it was it was it was

(46:05):
so impressive every single week, the sheer amount of of
yards he put up. I mean, and look in a
great career as well, But when all of a sudden,
it became, boy, this guy might be the best college
running back we've ever seen. I mean, even though you've
had other guys with great years, Reggie Bush had a
great year winning the Heisman Trophy. We'll get to other
guys as well, but I mean, I don't think you

(46:25):
can question that. Barry Sanders, you know, his nineteen eighty
nine Yeah, that puts him at the top of that list.

Speaker 3 (46:30):
Yeah, that eighty eight eighty nine run that he had
just absurd. Right, So he comes into the league on
eighty nine Heisman Trophy, twenty six twenty eight, thirty seven
touchdowns in eleven games. Yeah, I mean, that's just insane.

Speaker 1 (46:44):
You think about the numbers, you know, averaging averaging seven
and a half yards of carry, like, not five yards
of carry, not five and a half, seven and a
half yards. Money ball stafts better in college come money ball,
come moneyball, Ron Dain, Let's get come on, let's get
on those big Wisconsin backs. Monty ball. Wow, looks in
college Monty ball. No, Monty Monty ball had had had

(47:07):
some great stuff. Was not Barry Sanders, he was not.
He was not Barry Sanders. Now, I mean when Barry said,
because I remember when he came in, it was it's
kind of like when a when a new rock band
just shows up out of nowhere and you go, oh
my goodness, I didn't know anybody could be this good,
Like I didn't know anybody could move like Barry Sanders
and do that right, Because in the late eighties it
was still the big running backs in football, were the

(47:30):
big bruisers that were These are the guys you gave
the ball to thirty three, thirty five times a game.
Guys like John Riggins. The smaller guys. Yeah, now they
don't really get the ball quite as much because they
can't withstand the pounding. So yeah, they're electric and they'll
give you highlights, but they're not they're not. Somebody can
give the ball to a ton, they're not gonna take
it to the house all the time. But that's exactly
what Barry Sanders. Did I mean Barry Sanders? I mean,

(47:52):
come on, twenty seven hundred yards Heisman Trophy. I don't
MONTI Ball had a couple of years close to two thousand,
but that's still you know, you're talking eight hundred yards
shy of Barry Sanders.

Speaker 3 (48:02):
All right, let's have some fun with numbers and history
for Annie Ball. You're you're looking at a guy that
got to nineteen twenty three on the ground, three h
six in the air, total of thirty nine touchdowns in
twenty eleven, eighteen hundred and thirty yards and twenty two
touchdowns for the encore. For me, I was tormented, you know,

(48:23):
in the post, and he was a little bit after
my run in terms of my school days, but I
was still spending a lot of time up in Evanston
watching Ron Daye the ball carrier. Oh sure, where his
name was mentioned so often that you thought his name
was Dane the ballcarrier, like he was in you know,
the old English Times, you know whatever your occupation was

(48:47):
added in the ballcarrier total of seven than one hundred
yards for him, seventy one touchdowns in his career.

Speaker 1 (48:54):
Yeah, look, he was terrific and a lot of that
to the offense. I remember seeing Ron Day just get
the ball and able to stop behind an offensive line
and put his hand on a guard and where to
push him because there's nobody there. Like the blocking scheme
they had in Wisconsin was fantastic. Look, look, you're splitting
hairs as you talk about who the greatest of all
time is and the other running back on this list,

(49:15):
because there's two running backs right is Barry Sanders and
herschel Walker, who had three phenomenal years at Georgia, burst
on the scene as a freshman in nineteen eighty again
someone we hadn't seen that power of speed and size
and herschel Walker was tremendous. Yeah, I'm not gonna go
with herschel Walker because come right after he left Mike

(49:38):
Roziers nineteen eighty three with Nebraska, the guy averaged eight
yards of carry. He ran for twenty six hundred yards
like the he was the entire Nebraska offense. This is
the This is the Nebraska team that went to the
National Championship and lost the big game against Miami when
Nebraska went for two at the end and didn't get it,
and they would have won the national title. But remember

(50:00):
Mike Rozier going, this guy is meant against boys. This
guy's gonna take I'm even at you know, fourteen years
however old I was to what thirteen forty. Can't wait
till this guy gets to the NFL. He's gonna be unreal.
But I mean that that's the kind of year that
you look at numbers and see what herschel Walker. Yeah,
herschel Walker's great, but go look at Mike Rozier. I mean,
the guy was. It was It was just like seeing
a season with with Barry Sanders twenty six hundred yards

(50:23):
seven and a half yards ran for thirty seven touchdowns.
I mean, I know that they ran the ball a
lot in Nebraska, but thirty seven touchdowns, I mean that's
a that's a that's an un that's an unreal year
for him. I mean, this is this is Mike Rozier
with just a I mean sorry, seven point eight yards
of carry that he had, Like I said, we had
eight yards of carry. I mean that was I remember
watching him going, Nebraska, how are they ever gonna get beat?

(50:43):
Like Oklahoma Nebraska yet that's the big game, But how's
Nebraska ever gonna get beat with this guy? Where every
time he touches the football. It's it's just it's like
a it's like a video game. This is back in
the mid eighties where it happened.

Speaker 3 (50:55):
How about one more for the debate, Mark Sallin go
back to usc with Marcus Allen nineteen eighty one. Yeah,
twenty three forty twenty two touchdowns on the ground. Add
another well, twenty nine catches two seventeen, so not huge,
but Heisman, Maxwell, you name it, all the awards. So yeah,

(51:16):
this is fun going down memory lane because looking at
you know, Gail Sayers, because you know, trying to get
a little bit of me in there. But you've got
averaging six point five yards per carry, had all the big,
big accolades, but total touchdowns just eighteen on the ground
in his three years in Kansas.

Speaker 1 (51:35):
Yeah, I mean, look, it's it's the running backs are
a little bit more difficult because it was such a
run heavy game. Uh until you got to really really
even into into the nineties, it was still such a
run heavy game where quarterbacks that came into the NFL, hey,
they were in some of the past happy offenses, but
they never put the numbers up. It was more what
they could project to be in the NFL. Most teams

(51:56):
that won still were saying, we have a running back
that we give the football thirty times a game, right,
this is how we're gonna win with defense. College football
evolved late and then when you got into the early
two thousands, where other teams that weren't as good as
the Nebraska, as the Oklahoma's, the Miamis, the Penn States,
the Michigan said Hey, what we're gonna do is we're

(52:17):
gonna spread the field, put out put out four or
five receivers, and just spray the football. And we know
the quarterback is the guy we're gonna build around. That's
gonna even the field with us. That really ushered in
the era, the modern era of the great college football
quarterback that you started to see the numbers explode. It
is a little bit more. It's a little bit easier
with quarterbacks because you're talking about you're only going back

(52:38):
like maybe twenty five years or thirty years with the
absolute greats because they were given more responsibility. The running
backs is as much harder because you go back to
Archie Griffin right like in the late sixties and back
to back Heisman trophies and say Yeah, Well there's this
running back and this running back and this running back.
So it is much harder running back than it is
a quarterback.

Speaker 3 (52:56):
So I would say this, while we're talking about the
change of games and we're talking eras in college football,
why is Joe Tiller not in the College Football Hall
of Fame?

Speaker 1 (53:05):
Oh Joe Tiller. Well maybe when Drew Brees gets in
the Hall of Fame, he'll say something and say, hey,
Joe Tiller needs to be in the Hall of Fame.

Speaker 3 (53:12):
But saying get it. You know, he's in the Indiana
Halls of Fame. But it's time time to look at
it in terms of what he meant to changing. I mean,
certainly a conference, if not the game altogether, with what
he instituted at Purdue.