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We're ready where another couple of weeks NFL season starts,
zero week in college football, we should be starting middle
of the night tonight. It's the Bengals with a lead

(01:11):
over the Washington Commanders. I'm kind of feeling like, okay,
summer is ending. We're here just jump into mid season form.
Traffic was a little uh fall like tonight, where it
took that extra fifteen to twenty minutes to get in
with people doing some knuckleheaded things in the final miles
before exiting off to the Fox Sports radio studios. Or
got that school starts on Wednesday here for a lot

(01:33):
of the districts in southern California. So the last throws
of summer silliness, as it were, gatherings for movie nights
of things that were made thirty five years ago.

Speaker 3 (01:44):
Let's go to the movies. Let's watch stuff that came
out many, many years. Well, that's the thing now now
you look, I can't get anything green lit.

Speaker 4 (01:51):
But what can we do. Let's remake a movie from
forty years ago? Not a bad do it, not a
bad thing?

Speaker 1 (01:56):
Telling you man, anything that was popular in the right
now Hollywood is going through it was what was even
popular for a nanosecond back in the nineties.

Speaker 4 (02:04):
We're redoing it, We're relaunching it. Now. Let's go.

Speaker 1 (02:08):
Does Hanson want to do more concerts? Can we get
them gone? Let's get that. Let's get the crash test dummies,
let's put them on tour.

Speaker 4 (02:14):
Whatever we have.

Speaker 1 (02:17):
Whatever's the night, I'd be pretty good unearth. Your Your
job is to go through the entire decade of the
nineties and find something that works, and you come to
me with some sort of spreadsheet proposal and we'll green
light it. I got one hundred million dollars behind any
idea from the nineties.

Speaker 3 (02:31):
Everybody, here's your homework assignment. Before we meet tomorrow at
nine am. You're gonna go through whatever boxes are in
your closet, are out in your garage. You're gonna find
whatever toys you have, and you're gonna bring them in.
We're gonna figure out whether the IP is available to
us cheaply because many people are still holding on to
those toys that you love so dearly.

Speaker 1 (02:50):
And if we can make a movie, we will. Now
here we are right now again, the middle of Monday night, preseason.
Bengals lead the Commanders twenty eight seventeen. Midway through the quarter, Hendrick, yeah, well,
I think I think, judging by the defensive performance in.

Speaker 4 (03:07):
The first half, I wasn't being serious.

Speaker 1 (03:10):
I think he's a guy going, well, now you have
to pay me whatever, you have to pay whatever I
want one hundred million dollars yet gotta give it to me,
Gotta give it to me. You have to, you have
no choice.

Speaker 3 (03:21):
And if I'm the Bengals, I'm still laughing, going, Yeah, well,
our defense sucked with you last year.

Speaker 4 (03:27):
It ain't gonna be any worse here.

Speaker 3 (03:29):
And we got a guy that's willing to hit Joe
Burrow in practice.

Speaker 4 (03:32):
That's how hungry he is to be on the field. Well,
that that's the thing right to.

Speaker 1 (03:36):
Obviously, the Commanders make it to the NFC Championship Game
last year, and we're expecting big things from them and
Jayden Daniels this year. But I will tell you this,
there is no bigger wild card wild card.

Speaker 4 (03:47):
There is no bigger.

Speaker 1 (03:48):
Wild card in the NFL than the Bengals, no bigger
one like you watch look Burrow so far in this
preseason what first three drives? Three touchdowns? Great five touchdowns?

Speaker 3 (04:00):
That dumbass scramble play though, Yeah, that's where every person in.

Speaker 1 (04:06):
He was trying to get his cardio win because he
doesn't play a lot, so he wanted to just run
around a lot.

Speaker 4 (04:10):
I got my steps in for two.

Speaker 3 (04:11):
I don't want to see him doing that week five,
let alone in a preseason game where he's doing the
Chris Berman who whoop trying to avoid with the tacklers.

Speaker 1 (04:21):
This is a Bengals team that their offense could go
absolutely bananas. Right, you have a huge big three or
really big four, Chase Brown set to take on the
load this year. They go for it on fourth and
one in the first have big decision, They push it forward.
Joe Burrow could throw forty five touchdowns and for nearly
five thousand yards, and the Bengals could go thirteen and four. Right,

(04:43):
and the offense can be that good. The defense could
be terrible because it doesn't look good at all. Burrow
could get dinged up and all of a sudden, the
Bengals are looking at five and twelve like there been
no bigger wild card where hey, this team can have
a tremendous year and all of a sudd we remember,
look how good they were three years ago. Remember they

(05:04):
got it to the super Bowl. They beat the Chiefs.
Remember Burrowhead and all that fun stuff. Or it could
be yeah, look at the Bengals. They made it that
super Bowl. I'm never getting back again. That was just lucky.
They could go thirteen and four, They could go five
and twelve. This is there is no bigger wildcard than
the Bengals.

Speaker 3 (05:19):
I wonder how many of those people that I met
leaving Sofi Stadium after that Super Bowl are looking around going,
I really wish I could punch that guy in the
face right now, predicting that I'd go through seasons of
misery and that it wouldn't be quite so easy to
go back to the Super Bowl. But you look at
a squad offensively, and this one's kind of fun because
Browning has two touchdown passes in this one, two of

(05:40):
them the Mitchell Tinsley Where did Mitchell Tinsley play his
last two seasons of football the Washington Commanders, And now
he's doing spinning catch one and in the hand zone,
leaping over a defender and toe tapping in the back.
Like with everything going on with Terry McLaurin, they might
they might need an extra receiver in that room. But
look look at what the Bengals have been doing like

(06:03):
it's it's the same as it ever was. There's guys
they're not gonna pay. And for Joe Burrow to say, hey,
I want to be in camp, we need to start fast,
that's all finding good. You know what the biggest act
he could have done was let's go look at my contract.
Let's see how we spread money, and we figure out
if we think Trey Hendrickson is this big a deal
for us? Because the stats are there, right his individual

(06:24):
performance have been there. But I go back to last year,
that defense was still terrible if you look at it
on paper right now, even though they add in another
pass Rusher and Stewart, are they any better? No, they're
not any better. And that offensive line isn't good either. No,
So have you really progressed? The only thing you're hoping
is that Aaron Rodgers shows every bit of his forty

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plus years cause and that Cleveland doesn't jump up and
bite you, you know, with one of those surprise. Hey,
they have to win a game somewhere on the schedule.
Maybe they don't, but we'll get to them in short order.
And then obviously you're chasing Baltimore. You're looking at a
squad and I think you're right there. There's they can
put up a lot of points and losing spectacular fashion did.

Speaker 4 (07:09):
A year ago.

Speaker 1 (07:09):
Absolutely, this could be This could be Lady or the Tiger.
It can the Bengals. They could be amazing.

Speaker 4 (07:15):
They could be terrible. This this is the reality for
the Bengals. Yeah, and I don't have lou Anamo to
get after this. I mean even Scapegoat because they gave him.

Speaker 5 (07:23):
A not everybody is the Bears in the preseason, Jayson,
everybody's the Bears.

Speaker 4 (07:29):
We'll get to the Bear boy. I'll tell you.

Speaker 1 (07:31):
You know it's bad when you lose to the Bears
like it's thirty eight nothing in the head, and and
Sean McDermot says, hey, guys, we we we gotta we
gotta get things together here a little bit.

Speaker 4 (07:38):
Okay, we get it.

Speaker 1 (07:39):
But look the other big news of the day, right
staying in the AFC North, our long national nightmare has
now finally ended. The Browns have named a quarterback for
Week one, and it is Joe Flaccom. This is not
a surprise. Everybody else is hurt, right. Some players have

(08:00):
distinguish themselves a little bit, but it doesn't matter. Kenny
Pickett still isn't really playing. Dylan Gabriel was dinged up.
Shoudor Sanders was really good week one, but then he
got dinged up and he couldn't play. This was a
very difficult, except not at all decision to say Joe
Flacco's the guy out of the gate. This is absolutely expected.
And the best part is now I am one down

(08:21):
on my destriction of the five, the order of the
five quarterbacks, and how they're gonna start for the Browns
this year.

Speaker 4 (08:29):
I said, it's Flacco out of the gate number one.

Speaker 1 (08:32):
If you bet that parlay right, my parlay of And really,
because the whole the big wild card is Kenny Pickett.
R Kenny Pickett's a big wildcard. Well, this gave you
the free space. I mean, that's really what this in
the center of if you're going, if you're going Flacco,
and now that Flacco's name is starter, you feel like
you have some time until Kenny Pickett gets in. You're

(08:52):
still going Flacco, Picket, Sanders, Gabriel Huntley. There's your order,
there's your five guys. There your order, and right now
you're one down. I said flat ot to time. It's
an easy one. It's a free one, right car Right,
you got five Rosy. So he's the guy right in
the center, he's your space. Yeah, it's like we go
to trivia's picture of his head. We go to trivia

(09:13):
every Sunday, and uh we won this week and the
trivia had the first question. They always put on Instagram, right,
they want people to follow, so the it's a twenty
question thing, so the first one's always on Instagram, so
it's kind of a freebie, so you can if you
don't know the answer, you could look it up. They
asked the first question, so that's kind of what this is.
Let's you know it's but it doesn't matter. Five guys,
I gave you Joe Flacco's the one.

Speaker 4 (09:34):
Oh, you're one fifth of the way. That's pretty good stuff.
You know.

Speaker 3 (09:37):
What I should do though, is like I got a
couple of friends that were Jeopardy Jeopardy champions one one
one day uh, and then the husband was a five
day champion who actually went into the tournament. And wow,
pretty well, it's a pretty smart coup. Bring bring them
back in. Okay, they're only flaws. They both went to duke.
Oh well that's okay. I don'kay that that that's fine.
That's fine as long as it was in Georgetown.

Speaker 4 (09:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (09:58):
Yeah, they can carry, they can take ca of everything,
and I'll do entertainment in sports.

Speaker 6 (10:01):
Oh.

Speaker 3 (10:02):
I figured I bring them in to come up and
oppose you, because it seems like come in. You got
a bunch of slack jaws that you're playing against it,
so you got to bring you in some real competition.

Speaker 4 (10:12):
Now here's here's the big thing, right.

Speaker 1 (10:14):
So okay, so there's the obvious thing for the Browns,
But I want to say this what I'm really interested
to see.

Speaker 4 (10:19):
Now, how does the.

Speaker 1 (10:23):
How does the depth chart break down between now and
the beginning of the season, right, because you had Dylan
Gabriel play okay at times this weekend, but other time
showing boy, he really has some has some work to do.

Speaker 3 (10:36):
Until that pick six, which, depending on who you listen to,
may or may not have been his fault.

Speaker 4 (10:42):
He blames everybody except Dylan Gabriel.

Speaker 3 (10:44):
But either way, I mean, like I started seeing all
sorts of tweets that you might as well have taken
the ones that you wrote for Shador Sanders and we're
going to the preseason and just changed out the name.

Speaker 4 (10:54):
Oh look at him.

Speaker 1 (10:55):
But this is this is the big one, right, This
is the big thing. If Gabriel and Pickett are still
ahead of Shador Sanders when the season starts, okay, this
tells you one of two things is happening. Either one
there's a split between the team and the front office
and ownership as to who they want playing where.

Speaker 4 (11:17):
Either it's because there's no riff.

Speaker 1 (11:20):
If Shador Sanders stays low on the depth chart, Dylan
Gabriel stays up, even though Sanders well out played Gabriel
despite getting not many reps. If Sanders is still low
in the depth chart, you know, either a there's a
difference of opinion in between if they even want him
on the team. Maybe you know, the coaching staff wants them,
but the front office doesn't and the ownership is kind
of up in the air, or the other way around.
The front office wants them, the coaching staff doesn't, So

(11:42):
there's there's a reason why he's not moving up. Or
he needs to be doing stuff off the field that
we don't know about that needs to be part of
the of for everybody's process of a quarterback. He needs
to be doing things that we haven't seen on the field,
because so far on the field, Shadoor Sanders pretty good results,
right you're judging by what you saw in week one
in the preseason wardless to whatever it is. If that's

(12:02):
the case and he's still low on the depth chart,
before you get to the beginning of the season, the
brown do the kid a favor, do yourselves a favor.
Trade him, you can sell out, you can flip them.
You did a fifth round pick, you gave him some reps.
You can turn him into a third round pick. There's
gonna be teams that are saying, hey, we really like
what we saw the way. You know, we could take
a look at that that half of football that he
played and he was really good, and we see some

(12:24):
film from this year, from the preseason, and what we like.
Because it's clear that the Browns aren't invested in Shador Sanders.
And all you're gonna do then is after this year,
whatever happens, you wave don't get anything for him. If
you really don't like him, and if he doesn't move
up the depth chart, you can tell they don't at
the end of the preseason, Okay, trade you still got
four quarterbacks on the roster. You still have Flacco. He'll
be taking for arch Manning. But whatever reason it is,

(12:46):
whether it was we disagree whether or not we even
want him on the team where he should be playing,
or we want to teach him a lesson, his future
is not in Cleveland. So you can flip him, and
you can get a draft pick back for him. You
could probably you can get higher than a fifth round
pick for Shador Sanders third round pick.

Speaker 4 (13:00):
Ooh, that might.

Speaker 1 (13:01):
But if you got a team desperate enough, a quarterback
that wants to see if they can succeed, and hey,
I can turn them.

Speaker 4 (13:05):
I saw what I liked in the preseason.

Speaker 1 (13:07):
There's all kinds of mad scientists quarterbacks, the quarterback coaches
that want to do that. You can upgrade for it,
and you walk away saying, well, there it is Shador Sanders.

Speaker 4 (13:14):
The experiment was there.

Speaker 1 (13:15):
We spent a fifth rounde pick on him, We got
back a fourth and a sixth, or we got back
and forth, we got back a third, whatever it is.
We got back a third and gave back a forth.
We moved up. We got a potential starting player. Okay,
done and done because if he doesn't move to the
depth s trut. You know that's what's going on.

Speaker 3 (13:29):
Well, but part of it is legitimately, you got what
nine series and he wasn't a star on all of them,
made a couple of big throws, no question about it.
But you know it's it's always the which side of
the preseason are we going to where it's got to be.
Everything is the greatest thing. Like today in Chicago, Caleb
Williams walks on water, he misses the side of a

(13:50):
net in a speed drill where he just feigns that
he's mad, and all of a sudden he's the worst
guy in the world. So it's that Shador Sanders same thing.
A couple of couple of drives. Even after a draft
process where thirty two teams passed on him in four rounds,
including supplemental picks, et cetera, before you get to the

(14:10):
fifth round, there's still a backstory to all of this.
There's still a real and even in camp if he's
not elevating, there's still there's still, you know, more to
be said to this. Kenny Pickett may not be with
this team when it's all said and none. If he
were healthy, he might have been spun off already or
might be close to being there. But for all of
the I'm not deifying Shador Sanders off a couple of

(14:33):
touchdown throws in the seabody else, I don't I don't
love him, I don't hate him, but I don't think
you saw enough to where suddenly you're spinning him back
into a third round pick.

Speaker 4 (14:42):
Oh, if you third, you give me back a fourth.

Speaker 7 (14:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (14:44):
No, I could see that easily.

Speaker 1 (14:45):
That everybody's so quarterback hungry, and people's quarterbacks don't turn
out the way they went.

Speaker 3 (14:50):
That's the thing though, Like coming into the draft, if
you loved him, you had plenty of opportunities to go
bite the apple. Then Jets might give a first round
pick for Justin Fie hell jat show.

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Speaker 4 (17:55):
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Speaker 1 (18:00):
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Speaker 4 (18:04):
It's exciting, jacked up about it.

Speaker 3 (18:06):
Yeah, any time of guy's pinballing his way into the
end zone, something I don't necessarily want my quarterback doing
in the preseason, but I guess you gotta get those
battle scars.

Speaker 4 (18:15):
Uh yeah.

Speaker 1 (18:16):
Look, and this is this is part of what we
saw those first couple of series by the command We
talked about the Bengals being the biggest wildcard in all
the sports, like that was the only stat that Jayden
Daniels had tonight was that fourteen yard scramble for a
touchdown because all they did was run the ball four
times in a row directly into the end zone. I mean,
that was what the first drive was for the Bengals
defense tonight.

Speaker 3 (18:36):
One carry fourteen yards and the score debo ran for
twenty yards.

Speaker 1 (18:42):
You had Rodriguez had two runs, one for forty yards,
one free yard, and then you fourteen yard touchdown.

Speaker 9 (18:49):
Run.

Speaker 4 (18:49):
Now, that's you walk off the field and go. Man.

Speaker 1 (18:52):
That was that was That was a big reality sandwich.
We had to eat right there.

Speaker 3 (18:56):
Okay, it's clobber in time, bang bang bang, one after
another and no and no. Brian Robinson in the middle
of the arg Yeah. Oh as he's potentially I'm gonna
be traded away. So it's like everybody else that might
carry the ball, welcome to it.

Speaker 4 (19:11):
Yeah, John Riggins, everybody? Oh sure, big day?

Speaker 1 (19:14):
Uh Now, two big quarterbacks in the news this weekend
after Week two of the preseason, and the one thing
that I've really come around to, right, Caleb Williams had
a pretty good game, albeit against Bill's backups. The Bills
had a horrible game on any stretch of the imagination.

Speaker 4 (19:33):
Last night.

Speaker 1 (19:34):
They lost seventy six nothing to the Bears, and every
every person the Bears put out there played well. Caleb
Williams played well. That should have been all right? Can
we have Is it enough past that Caleb Williams sucks?
Can we can we can we cool out with Hey?
He you know he missed a net.

Speaker 4 (19:50):
He's no good? Can we cool out with that story? Now?
He's the greatest of all time?

Speaker 1 (19:53):
What are you talking about not the Well look it
was against the second team, right Bill's second team defense
out there, but still okay, he was good. And then
all of a sudden, Tyson Beaging comes in for extended
play and.

Speaker 4 (20:04):
He's really good.

Speaker 1 (20:05):
Oh suddenly social media just rrupts on Tyson Beagen, And
what hit me is this is that lisz I told
you last week. Just everybody's got to calm the bleep
down about Caleb Williams. All Right, he's in his first
year with a new offense. He's got the right coach
who turned Jared Goff into a good quarterback. Again, he
had a lot of weapons. He knows how to build

(20:26):
the offense. He's got a lot of weapons. Everybody's got
to chill out with the Caleb Williams sucks narrative. But
that's what's been overwhelming since the beginning of camp. Hey,
everything's gonna be fine. It's work in progress. It's not
like it's I'm watching justin fields with the Jets going.
There's a great pass, there's a one hot pass, there's
still no completions to Garrett Wilson. Now, everything is fine,

(20:47):
Caleb Williams, Everything is gonna be good. I told you
he's gonna have a big year, right, thirty touchdowns, four
thousand yards. But because no one can calm down, because
as you saw again after that, there should at least
have been a been a microsecond of all right, Caleb
Williams looks pretty good, right, that's fine. No, no one
is calm after his terrific performance. And when the narrative is, oh,

(21:08):
but it's only the second string against the Bills. But
look how good Tyson Baninge it was. That was against
the third string. Oh, it doesn't matter, Tyson Bage is great.
You gotta pick a lane. There is zero patience for
Williams year two in Chicago, and you saw them push
Justin Fields out when they were unsure if they wanted
to go forward with him. Now now look, clearly Justin
Fields wasn't quite taken to the same extent with the

(21:30):
number one overall pick. You're a franchise altering court. This
is Hey, we got a guy that we think is
really good. We got him in the first round of
the draft. But this was Caleb Williams is taken with
different levels of expectation. If this year doesn't go well,
there is zero patience for it. And he will get
pushed out after year two and it will be Ben Johnson,
new quarterback Bill Things. We love Ben Johnson. It's not working.

(21:52):
We knew Caleb Williams dunk because really, Caleb Williams is
kind of on a four year down tick, right yet, Hey,
look how good he was at Oklahoma. He transfers really
good year, staysn't in for usc for his next year. Okay,
not quite as good, but still gonna be the number
one pick his rookie year last year wasn't nearly as
bad as people thought it was, but it doesn't matter.

(22:13):
The optic is Caleb Williams is underachieving another year here,
and I can tell there's gonna be no patience in
Chicago for a year three of Caleb Williams, and something's
going to have to happen, and it's gonna be Caleb
Williams someplace else because you think it's gonna be well,
that's fine, we'll get to year two and everything is fine. No,
there's none of that. Everybody is ready to cut bait

(22:33):
on Williams now. And so if this doesn't work this year,
this is Caleb Williams someplace else to finish out his
rookie contract playing if this year doesn't work, you can
see how things are gonna go. They're already potentially going
this way. If he if his first pass Week one
is incomplete, that's it, man. You gotta get something really
safe for that first pass, something really safe. Let him

(22:54):
complete it from you guys, if you have that, okay,
make sure that is going. Because will he's got there
is zero pa for.

Speaker 4 (23:00):
Him in Chicago.

Speaker 3 (23:01):
Well, I mean, it's an exacerbated view of the world
from what we were just talking about with Shador Sanders,
except here there's actually some gravitas to the selection as
opposed to a fifth round pick, all the trades, all
of the laughing of look what they did to Carolina haha,
and away you go. And for Caleb Williams, he came
in with a lot of scrutiny and certainly you know

(23:23):
it's a tough talent. So the expectations on the quarterback,
if you're going to invest as they did, is that
he's going to.

Speaker 4 (23:30):
Be the savior.

Speaker 3 (23:31):
You saw it in brief periods when Jay Cutler was
traded for and he came in and he put up
some big numbers. And I've said it all along you know,
you look at quarterback play in my lifetime, there are
very few guys that top it in that city. Justin
Fields had a chance and even if he won some games,
Mitchell Trubisky, they made the trade.

Speaker 4 (23:51):
They went bold and went after it.

Speaker 3 (23:53):
Remember the forty nine ers didn't necessarily win the trade
off the guy they got in that first round. No,
it was the guy that came later, Fred Warner. But
just the idea that you've taken a couple of swings
and they haven't played out, even with a couple of
playoff appearances. Folks forget about Mitchell Trubisky, but didn't give
you that level of success. Now with Caleb Williams comes in,

(24:15):
you have the the book that Wickersham did and calling out, hey,
how he wanted to let no, you ask right, if
you think you can buck the system and change things,
you do.

Speaker 4 (24:26):
But then again, once he got there, what did he do?

Speaker 3 (24:28):
He embraced the city, showed up at everything he did.
But people don't like that. He paints his nails even
before he came out and played. It's like I have
a silver nail polish. What's he doing again? Like going
into the stands like he's operating from a deficit with
a lot of folks regardless of what went on on
the field. Right, twenty and six touchdown to interception ratio
last year all fantastic, The interceptionless street great, but he

(24:52):
took sixty eight sacks. Many of them were his fault. Well,
now he's actually got a coach who's gonna hold him
accountable and he's got a better off offensive line.

Speaker 4 (25:00):
Well, we'll see at least on paper.

Speaker 1 (25:05):
It's like it's like if your bullpen is terrible in
baseball and you bring in a bunch of new guys,
it's gonna be better.

Speaker 4 (25:09):
It's gotta be better.

Speaker 5 (25:10):
It can.

Speaker 3 (25:11):
But like, you've actually got a coach who's emphasizing tough love,
and hey, get the ball out right, don't take a sack.

Speaker 4 (25:18):
Be smart with the football.

Speaker 3 (25:20):
You got the interceptionalist streak was great, but how many
guys downfield did he miss because they didn't want him
pulling the trigger? It was all right, make the safe play,
keep the possession alive. It's like, no, you need you
need to take shots downfield and have confidence that you
can do so. With Ben Johnson, you're looking at a
completely different set and an offense that will take time

(25:40):
to develop, and that's the thing. There's gonna be growing pains.
And if the media doesn't like it, too, damn bad.
As long as Johnson and he are on the same page.
And it's look, they're over under is low. They are
last in the division in terms of winning the division.
They are the long shot behind the as yet unknown
JJ McCarthy and the Vikings. Because last year, even if

(26:02):
they take a step back, it was a fourteen win team.

Speaker 4 (26:05):
Yeah right, And the Packers are the Packers.

Speaker 3 (26:07):
And the Lions even losing the the coordinators, including the
aforementioned Ben Johnson, roster wise, they're still better. But for
Caleb Williams, there'll be a year three. They're not They're
not gonna push eject just because the guys at the score.

Speaker 4 (26:25):
It's not the guys and it's it's the overall. It's
the overall.

Speaker 1 (26:28):
Feeling with the team and are we gonna get better?
Is year three is another year in the locker room.

Speaker 3 (26:35):
That's everywhere first, But if in the locker room, they're
feeling good that they're progressing and they're getting better.

Speaker 1 (26:41):
And the same thing with Justin Fields, they did the
same thing. They say, you know, what. We don't know
if Justin Field is gonna be good. This wasn't Justin
Fields was terrible. Remember we had a thousand yard season rushing.
This was we don't know if Justin Fields is really
going to ever be the guy. Now, clearly they had
a chance to pick because they were picking number one overall,
so it was a little bit easier. But if it's
a bad year for Caleb Williams, it's gonna be Are

(27:01):
we really think that year two it's gonna go forward.
He's with a great savant that's supposed to make things better,
And when you're with a great offensive coach who's a
great quarterbacks coach, guess what you're.

Speaker 4 (27:11):
Expected to be better.

Speaker 1 (27:12):
So if this is not better, you're gonna the Bears
are gonna sit back after this year and go, Okay, yes,
there's gonna be the The cacophony of sound to get
rid of him is gonna be immense, But it's gonna
be inside those walls. If we go forward with Caleb Williams,
are we sure he's gonna get it? Or are we
just postponing the future by moving on from the quarterback
so so much faster now two years of Caleb Williams.

(27:35):
The second year ain't any good. Guess what, They're not
gonna be a third it's gonna be We'll find a way.
Will we can move on from him. He's still on
a rookie deal. Someone might want him. We can, Hey,
it's not working for us. They found a way to
move on from Justin Fields. They will find a way
to move on from Caleb Williams. And it's not good
because that's gonna be going forward. Do we know he's
going to be great? And if you have a three
year down turn now going back to his final year

(27:56):
at at USC, it's okay. Maybe he's just not quite
the guy. I don't think that's happening. I think he's
gonna be really good. Is a reason he was that good.
To get him outside the pocket a little bit more,
you'll be fine, petre nails, whatever color you want to,
he's gonna be fine. But if it doesn't like that's
really hard. Certain certain teams, you can't just say, hey, yes,
suck it up with us one more year. We're gonna

(28:17):
figure it out. Even though Johnson's not going anywhere, you
know he's gonna be the guy to hopefully get a
couple more years to turn this around. But it's that
personnel you just saw him do it. It's gonna be
really hard to say, yeah, year three is gonna be better.

Speaker 3 (28:29):
Well, but the bigger thing is Ben Johnson had his
choice of wherever he wanted to go coach. He decided
he wanted to go work with this guy. And I
don't think that's just for a one off season and
whatever this becomes, I don't think it becomes the all right,
let's let's go bring in the new guy. Everybody wants
their own guy. But he had the choice and he's
trying to fix bad habits from whatever that was. Go

(28:50):
back to justin Fields. He completed sixty percent of his
passes over three years. There were times that you liked him,
and he certainly had some big runs towards the end
of his Bears and you're in the crowd, got excited,
et cetera. But and look, he was dealt to terrible hand.
We can all agree to that, even if you're just
wanting to paint me as a Bear's apologist, go back
and watch the coaching staffs and the clown show that

(29:13):
was running through as OC for several years now.

Speaker 4 (29:16):
Ben Johnson.

Speaker 3 (29:16):
It's still the first time he gets cute and calls
a toss from a offensive lineman.

Speaker 4 (29:22):
I will throw something to the tele Okay, that'd be
the second quarter Week one.

Speaker 1 (29:25):
Get ready, I will throw something of television left because
you'll need a backup television because you will do that
in the second quarter.

Speaker 3 (29:31):
But this guy was thirty five hundred yards twenty and
six a year ago. That was Caleb Williams stat line
the wins and losses. As soon as ebra Flus was
coming back, you knew it was a no go people.
I tried to tell you, everybody, listen to me.

Speaker 1 (29:46):
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Speaker 4 (29:55):
Era good Feelings.

Speaker 3 (29:56):
A year ago was terrible, and now you're burning it
down before step.

Speaker 4 (30:00):
I've told you I love him this year.

Speaker 1 (30:02):
But if it doesn't work, you can see there's no
patience for your three. Ti'm gonna find out what's trending
in the wide world of sports. A guy who's been
called the Caleb Williams of Fox Sports Radio He's not
really exchanging Christmas cards with that ebra flues either.

Speaker 4 (30:17):
It is Steve de Sager.

Speaker 7 (30:19):
Yeah, that's actually true. Some of these intros. You know
that one's actually true.

Speaker 3 (30:23):
I wasn't sure where that was gonna go. I thought
he was gonna give you the three year decline. I
was getting hurt.

Speaker 7 (30:28):
Wow, she avoided the nails. The Bengals are at Washington.
It's mid fourth quarter and it's a lead for Cincinnati
and tonight's exhibition twenty eight seventeen. Bengals got a couple
of touchdown passes in the final minute before halftime, Jake
Browning to Mitchell Tinsley. Too great grabs as for the
starter Joe Burrow with a short touchdown pass he played

(30:49):
three series. Washington quarterback Jaden Daniels a fourteen yard touchdown
run on his only series. The usual starting running back
for Washington, Bryan Robinson, is out tonight he could be traded,
reportedly without him on the team's first two drives, six carries,
one hundred and six yards, two touchdowns for the Commanders.
The NFL preseason ends this Saturday. Rams quarterback Matthew Stafford

(31:12):
with the bad back practice for the first time in
this training camp at the team had no further update
on his health. Viking star wide receiver Justin Jefferson, after
a strained hamstring, practiced on a limited basis for the
first time in nearly a month. The Browns name quarterback
Joe Flacco as their starter and he will start Saturday's
exhibition finale as well. Miami reportedly signed linebacker Matthew Judan.

(31:34):
The Colts signed veteran defensive back Xavian Howard. Ohio State
named Julian say And as it's starting QB played a
little for him last year after transferring from Alabama Apiece preseason.
All Americans include three players from Texas three from Penn State.
There is a college football game on Fox TV this Saturday,
Fresno State at Kansas. The WNBA is off five games

(31:55):
coming up on Tuesday. In Major League Baseball, in progress
and Rockies are now tied three to three.

Speaker 4 (32:02):
Top of the eighth.

Speaker 7 (32:04):
Yoshinobu Yamamoto, the Dodgers starting pitcher Tonight, with an ERA
of two point nine to zero for the season, did
allow the tying home run in the seventh inning at Corsfield.
He had retired to a guy I never heard of him.
I had to retired thirteen straight before then.

Speaker 1 (32:20):
So just to get this straight, the Dodgers swept the Padres,
and they're having trouble with the Rockies.

Speaker 7 (32:25):
And got swept by the Angels.

Speaker 4 (32:27):
Just before less. Just okay, just the double checking, okay.

Speaker 7 (32:29):
Sa Kiel Tovar, by the way, with the bat not
the glove helping the Rockies in this game with the
long bowl. The White Sox are leading thirteen to nine. Yeah,
it's top of the ninth inning. The Braves have won
five in a row. Their starter Spencer Streyder, though three
plus inning seven runs allowed White Sox trying to end
a four game losing streak. Cardinals had lost five in

(32:52):
a row, but got to win at Miami eight to three.
Attendance eight thousand and five point fifty five. Kansas City
edged Texas for to three. Salvador Perez of Casey was
out tonight due to illness. Pittsburgh beat Toronto five to two.
Paul Skenes was the starter for the Pirates, no decision
but eight strikeouts in his six innings. Baltimore won at
Boston six'. Three the lost To Dustin, may the Former,

(33:13):
dodger although he allowed just two runs in his six
innings of. Work philadelphia Beat seattle twelve to, seven two
homers For Bryce, Harper detroit ten to nothing Over, houston
the win To Jack. Flaherty milwaukee won the first of
a scheduled doubleheader At chicago seven to nothing over The cubs.
Today they made up a rainout from a couple months.
Ago this starts a five game series this. Week winning

(33:34):
pitcher for The, Brewers Freddie peralta win six. Innings he's
fifteen to, five But game two tonight was rained. Out
they'll play a doubleheader On tuesday. Instead there is a
game ON fs. One right, now The reds are leading
to to one at The angels in the bottom of
the fourth. Inning Cincinnati reds game and a half out
of the LAST nl wildcard behind The, mets and The

(33:54):
giants are At San. Diego Nestor, cortes The padre starting.
Pitcher the X yankee three homers in the first. Inning
it is Still giants for. Nothing in the fourth against The,
Padres San diego had a home run well taken off
the board due.

Speaker 4 (34:09):
To Is Freddy freeman playing in that? Game that's?

Speaker 7 (34:13):
Right just is he an inside fast?

Speaker 4 (34:14):
Fall thank you very.

Speaker 7 (34:15):
Much by the, Way padres manager after you're, arguing was
tossed after they had the, run taking off the board back.

Speaker 5 (34:22):
To, you You frost not great at, math BUT i
did solve your. Equation, okay The padres are worse than The.

Speaker 1 (34:31):
Rockies okay that the, yes the the law of the transitive.
Properties you are right about. That very, good very. Good,
HEY i told Your friday springboard win for The. Dodgers
look at. That look at.

Speaker 3 (34:42):
That kept talking about them getting swept before though exit swallowed. Up,
yeah but once they Won, friday they weren't getting. Swept
AND i tell you bring In diaz And Jerry royce
to close out the ninth Inning game one against The.
Padres that was something and not not not Edwin diz
coming up. Next, yes more quarterback. Reaction one big quarterback

(35:03):
change is closer than you could possibly. Imagine that's, next right, Here.

Speaker 2 (35:07):
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Speaker 1 (35:16):
Fox Sports Radio The Jason Smith show With my best
Friend Mike. Harmon four and a half to go in
the fourth, Quarter bengals lead The commanders twenty eight to.
Seventeen if you do preseason fantasy, Football browning's basically you
know he's your dynasty guy every. Year he is having
a big night for. You with a couple of.

Speaker 3 (35:34):
Touchdowns between him And Mitchell, tinsley you had yourself a.
DAY i mean he was five for, five seventy three
and two at the end of the first. Half bang And,
BROWNING i mean he had that the ball knocked out
of his, hand but they ruled it was coming, forward
so he got another.

Speaker 4 (35:47):
Chance and what did he? Do? Bang he made him.

Speaker 1 (35:49):
Pay speaking of making people, pay what DID i say last?
Week we talked about look looking. Ahead there were some
big stuff at stake in THE nfl this coming, weekend
and we. Did and If Jackson dart has a big
game against The, jets he accelerates his timeline to start.
Right legitimate or, not whether you believe, That, hey beating
The jets is a big thing winning The Snoopy, bowl

(36:11):
but this would be the second week in a row
That Jackson dart has shined And Russell wilson is not
Getting you can just see the energy around the. Team
it's all just it's coaggulating Around Jackson vice every day
in The New york papers and being ready to how
Great Jackson darty And Russell wilson looked. Good hey had

(36:31):
the big moon ball pass against The jets On saturday
after a blown. Coverage, okay but it doesn't matter because
the overwhelming desire is that the train has left the
station Of Jackson dart to start and everything we outlined
last week is going to come. True can you show
that he's ready to handle?

Speaker 6 (36:47):
It?

Speaker 4 (36:48):
Absolutely has he shown? That, yes one hundred.

Speaker 1 (36:50):
Percent he might even play the final week of the
preseason because you don't need to see anymore because he
was really. Good he's a first round. Pick first round picks.
Play Brian dable wants to keep his. Job Russell wilson's
a one year. Guy Joe. Shaneood they want to keep their. Jobs,
hey if we have the quarterback and we drafted the,
quarterback you gotta let us.

Speaker 4 (37:06):
Stay.

Speaker 1 (37:07):
Uh the timeline For Russell wilson coming into last week
WAS i thought he had maybe until week. Eight now
maybe he's gotten Till october if, that because if The
giants start out poorly And wilson doesn't put a lot
of points on the, board they're going To Jackson dart
and it's gonna be sad Watching Russell wilson just sit
on the sideline and finish his career that. Way but,
look that's how it, goes and and there is nothing stopping.

(37:30):
That The Jackson dart hype train is now out of,
control and rightfully, so because the guy has looked. Good
the next thing is you gotta see him. Play if
he was a third round, pick, yeah we're gonna stash.
Him he's gonna he's gonna sit a little. Bit he's
gotta get used to life in THE. Nfl he's a
first round. Pick we know they. Play and if it
was a case of, Hey Ben johnson starting, over he's
got a couple of. Years, okay maybe they try to
make it work With Russell wilson and Go, No Brian

(37:52):
dabeles got to keep his. Job guess, what It's Jackson
dart sooner than. Later AND i Mean i'm looking At
october first now For russell that and anything short of
like a three and one start And wilson and The
giants averaging twenty four points a, game then It's Jackson
dart By. October AND i know The giants aren't very.
Good so that's exactly what's gonna.

Speaker 3 (38:10):
Happen, well you've had the Issues Milik, neighbors who's shown
last year despite how should we, say inadequate quarterback, play
he's been shelved and it hasn't really been able to.

Speaker 4 (38:20):
Practice so that's.

Speaker 3 (38:21):
Concerning but we watched him And tracey performed quite well last,
year but the offense. Sputtered you've got a pretty good.
Defense most that do full on analysis of units would
go through and just, say all, right this is a
defense that could, be you, know top ten when it's
all said, done can you get commensurate play on the
offensive side to get you into the win? Column, well

(38:43):
you start off with a couple of division. Games you've
got The commanders on the road week, one and then
you go To dallas And Russell wilson Gets, STEEL youo?

Speaker 4 (38:52):
Win there are you one and? One good? Luck good?

Speaker 3 (38:54):
Luck and then week three you've Got Kansas city coming.
In so, okay what's this next iteration of the? CHIEFS
a lot of, questions but Rededicated Travis kelcey all of
that kind of. Stuff Rashie rice will be available because
he won't have had his hearing at that point, yet
and then you got week four with The chargers coming to.
Town so two road two home to. Start the over

(39:17):
under on wins is five and a. Half, yeah and
there's some excitement about the defense right that you can
carry it and maybe offensively you et out wins like
you want to do with Your, jets where it's that seventeen,
fourteen twenty to fourteen kind of. Win maybe you can
eat couple of those. Out but in the, end you
gotta recognize who you. Are schedule doesn't get easy at any,
Point like there's not a string of. All, right there's

(39:38):
three games against would be bottom feeding teams that are
in the same boat as. Us so, yeah you're you're
looking at the where do you get a? Spark you
let the kid, play.

Speaker 1 (39:47):
And it's gonna Be it's gonna be the exact same
thing That Russell wilson saw last year In, pittsburgh except
now he's seeing it from the other. End Was Justin
fields is the, quarterback and as long As pittsburgh was,
winning every was. Fine, No Justin fields, won but did
he win as? Much did he put enough points on the.
Board Mike tomlin was itching to make that move To Russell. Wilson,

(40:09):
right that's What wilson's gonna see now, again barring them
starting three and one and scoring a lot of, Points wilson's.
DONE i, mean He's Jackson dart's gonna. Finish you're gonna
play the entire. Season he's the he's the, future he's
the present and every you should see what what the
way people talk, about the way The giants players talk about,
him and how he's not your average rook everything is

(40:31):
everything is great for. Him the game slows down for.
Him they love his. Leadership it's it's overall everything great
about him and the rest Of oh And russ is great,
too like, That that's what it. Is this is not
hey we got about this is all, yeah And russ
is great, Too but, Wow Jackson. Dart you sometimes the
world starts going away a certain way and it's not coming,
back and you can it's not coming back To Russell

(40:52):
wilson staying and keeping this job for very.

Speaker 4 (40:54):
Long, well he's.

Speaker 3 (40:55):
Dead wasn't beholden to veterans like we've Seen Mike tomlin
do and that guy that you saw it the four
years ago In. Seattle he's long.

Speaker 1 (41:03):
Gone exit out about A fresca exit Swollen, Dome Jason
Smith Mike harmon live from The Fox Sports Radio. Studios
coming up, next are we on the cusp of a
huge trade in the preseason in THE. Nfl this Is
Fox Sports, Radio Fox Sports, Radio The Jason Smith show
with my best Friend Mike. Harmon it looked like The

(41:26):
dodgers solved all their problems this weekend with a sweep
of The, padres but a big misplay By Taoscar hernandez
and right, field who has had a season full of
showing maybe he's not quite the outfielder he once, was
and The dodgers losing walk off style to The. Rockies
we'll get to that in a. Second joining us now
in the Hot Line nobody To bred to break down

(41:48):
all the big news as we get set for the
stretch run In Major League. Baseball THEN Mlb Network Insider
extraordinaire On twitter At John, morosi fresh off a successful
stint At, Williamsport John, paul what's happening?

Speaker 2 (42:01):
Man how is your?

Speaker 6 (42:02):
WEEKEND i am outstanding and it is successful, because of, Course,
jason Your New York mets won the. GAME i am
now in the second half of this. Season one and
oh while Covering mets games in terms of The, mets
your team. Prevailing AND i am a big believer in.
This The mets are going to enjoy the Williams port.

(42:24):
Bounce they're going to be so full of the joy
they experienced. Yesterday it's going to carry them right through
the final quarter of the season and, they my, friend
will be a playoff.

Speaker 1 (42:34):
Team well let's, Okay WELL i love, that and let's be.
Honest really it is the bounce they're enjoying from the
new favorite For Cy, young N NL mvp And nolan.

Speaker 4 (42:45):
McClain I'm stan. McClain Bounced.

Speaker 1 (42:47):
Saturday sunday was, great but that Bound, saturday that was,
like all of a, sudden the color just rushed back
into the, knicks into the, knicks into The mets, faces
and suddenly it's, like, okay now we can go play.

Speaker 4 (42:57):
Again we have a.

Speaker 6 (42:58):
Pulse that's the other, Team orange Of. Blue by the,
way but, yes and The pistons should have won that.
Series BUT i. Digress recording, McLain it was interesting. AGAIN
i was there. YESTERDAY i talked To John gibbons before the.
Game of, Course mets bench, coach Longtime Major league manager
and he had a lot of really good things to

(43:19):
say About. McLean and Now gibbey has seen a lot of,
Baseball he's seen a lot of kids come up and
make their. DEBUTS i think he was very impressed By
McLean's poise the stop and also his ability to defend
and really defend his position very very. Well it's the little, Thing,
shason that go into the ability to manage a, game

(43:40):
manage the ups and downs of a pendant. Race and,
now as far As i'm concerned, him he. Is he
is in this rotation for the indefinite. FUTURE i, MEAN
i don't see anybody else is going to come in
and take a spot from, Him so this spot belongs
to him for the balance of the regular, season maybe
even beyond. That BUT i thought his ability to make
pitches against the quality Team seattle had won the series

(44:03):
opener there On friday and certainly came in in there
with a lot of. Momentum they're a really good team
that's probably gonna go to the playoffs, too AND i
think the way That McLean pitched On saturday was exactly
what The mets. Needed and then of course the next
step was going there On, sunday And i'll say that's
a couple of quick. Stories number, One brand And. Neimo
i've covered every Single Little League classic there it's. Been

(44:26):
we've now had eight of. Them it's one of my
favorite days of the Baseball. Here Brandon neimo signed more
autographs yesterday than any other Player i've ever. Seen now
that's unscientific BECAUSE i, not of course sit next to
every single, player but just from WHAT i, Saw Brandon
nemo was a true man of the. People there was
one little kid who ran up to him and just,

(44:47):
said oh my, GOSH i Got Brandon nemo's autograph and ran.
Away it was just it was the pure joy of.
Baseball that Was number one cool. Moment the Code number
one cool moment Was CODE I singa explaining to The
Team japan players how to throw the ghost forkball in
the rec. Ordom there's a little reck room in the

(45:09):
dormitory where the kids stay there at The League World,
series And singa was in there showing them how the
ball rotates off your finger to be able to get
the dropping. Action AND i just looked at the expressions
on the kids', faces the awe they. HAD i, mean,
look he's one of their pitching idols In, japan and

(45:29):
all of a sudden he's standing in front of you
giving you an impromptu pitching lesson while you're playing in
The Little League World. Series wrap your mind around what
that's like at twelve years, old and that's those kids.
Experience and just to know that you're watching one of
the great and enduringly awesome moments of someone's life and
fold right in front of you is a pretty cool.

(45:51):
Thing and that happened times twelve on numerous. Occasions.

Speaker 3 (45:55):
Yesterday, yeah the giddiness of the, players all in the
pregame stuff and all the way through just INFECTIOUS. Jp
one thing that The dodgers had hoped that winning a
sweep of a series against The padres would continue the
good vibes today as they go To. Colorado, well got
swept by The, angels sweep The, pagers and now you

(46:15):
can face a red Hot rockies team winer's of seven of. Eight, NOW, Jp, wow,
Crazy but what do we do with this?

Speaker 2 (46:23):
Squad, well so for The, dodgers it's.

Speaker 6 (46:26):
Interesting and you, Know justin AND i chatted a bit
before before the segment. STARTED i don't know if you're
going to start having to defense late For tascar and
get in a little better glove out. There, potentially obviously
based on it being a tie, game that wasn't really
in play tonight because you still had to try to
win the ball game and you wanted his bat in the.

(46:47):
Lineup but at some, points as my great Mentor John
lowe told me years ago WHEN i was a young baseball,
writer that when you get deeper into the, season especially the,
playoffs baseball becomes a game of getting. Outs it becomes
the game of just getting, outs and you need to
have your best defensive team out there at some. Point

(47:09):
and that's WHERE i start to, wonder this is a
team that As mookie comes, around and certainly he had
a huge, weekend you look at At, showy you look At,
freddie look at Will. Smith Obviously munsey being out hurts
them in this, regard but you should have enough thump
at the top of the lineup that maybe you're able

(47:31):
to make more of a defensive play at a different
spot of the lineup to be able to just preserve
late leads or or keep a late game tight as
you saw. Tonight, AGAIN i don't think. THAT i do
not think at all That roberts aired by having him
in the game it's a tie. Game i'm not really
sure what he's supposed to do in that, situation BUT
i think in, general maybe there are some games here

(47:52):
and there where you're gonna put call in the game more,
often or just make some different defensive decisions with pajes or,
others to just try to find a way to add
your best devents a team on the. Field because this
team in, general, Guys i'm miss telling. YOU i still
like The dodgers a, lot but they're just not quite
as crisp in all areas of the game as they

(48:12):
were a year. Ago AND i think tonight's loss was
the latest illustration of.

Speaker 1 (48:16):
That John Paul, barrossi our Guest Jason, Smith Mike, harmon
live from The Fox Sports radio. Studios all, right let
me take you back now off the field and back
To williamsport for a couple moments, here Where Rob manfred
on the broadcast last, night went into great detail about
what could potentially be radical realignment To Major League. Baseball
they want to expand get to thirty two, teams and
all of a, sudden the national media and social media

(48:40):
has run them up with it's going to be just
like THE, nfl there's going to be eight four team
divisions and wild. Cards like you heard what he had
to say last, night you digested it for a. Day
what do you see as the path forward? Here judging
by What Brod manford talked.

Speaker 6 (48:53):
ABOUT i think what you're describing is very possible that
we could get to eight four team. Visions and to be,
FAIR i realized he said it on NATIONAL tv and
there are a lot of people. Watching he has said
versions of this many times in the. Past so WHAT

(49:14):
i heard him say last night AND i went back
and listened to, it it struck me as, noteworthy but
not terribly newsworthy in the sense of it being a
revelation of something being. New so that's it's it is
so to the point that it's it's out there now
and being. DISCUSSED i think it's. Good and it also
is just further evidence of the fact that this is

(49:36):
this is something that's been discussed and this is not
the first Time Ron manford has said something like.

Speaker 4 (49:41):
This and so.

Speaker 6 (49:43):
Those that like the, idea, great because there's a decent
chance something like this is going to happen down the.
Line but those that hate the. IDEA i guess the
LESSON i would say to, you it's going to take
a few years before this gets worked, out because the
only way that you're going to do radical realignment is
if and when you. EXPAND i happen to think that
they will, expand but it's probably more like end of the,

(50:06):
decade early twenty thirties before you see a team in
take your, Pick, Portland, Oregon Salt, Lake, Nashville, charlotte wherever
they end up. Going, Austin texas has been one of my.
Favorites it's probably somewhere in that in that range of
teams THAT i just. Mentioned take two of those. Five
two of those five teams go to thirty two get

(50:28):
a massive expansion. Fee owners like. That you do it
right around the same time that you're you're sort of
reimagining the the media rights landscape of the sport and
baseball probably looks a little bit different by the early twenty,
thirties but a big. Thing and The commissioner has talked
about this, before and he referenced it last night and
again not for the first, time that that what radical

(50:51):
realignment allows you to do is to play more of
your games in the time zone that your city is,
in and for, example a team like The Texas, rangers
who has three teams in their division that play two
time zones, away all on The West. Coast and The commissioner's,

(51:12):
point AND i think it's a fair, one is is
you want to make your product as easily consumed and
viewed by your viewers and your fans as. Possible and
so while the old time traditional fan might not, like,
hey why are The rangers now going to be in
the same division as The royals and The. Cardinals that

(51:32):
doesn't make any. Sense, well, fine it's like change is.
Inevitable we now have a UNIVERSAL. Dhl it's not a
very big leap to doing. This and the idea is
to make the game as accessible and for more people
to watch it as. Possible and if it looks a
little goofy for one or two, years if it helps
kids In Saint louis watch More cardinal, games it helps

(51:54):
more kids In texas watch More ranger. Games i'm out for.
It and the other, Thing jason And mike is this
and you both you've lived in these cities and these
are your. Teams that's all make this. Point you might
have people saying oh my, gosh The cubs and The.
Socks they can't be in the same. Division and people might,
say oh my, gosh The yankees And, mets they can't
be in the same. Division guess what y'all are gonna. Watch,

(52:18):
okay that's, it y'all are gonna. Watch no. One no
one's gonna have any. Issue, okay you're you mean to
tell me, No, NO i JUST i can't watch. It
we're in The subway series more, often and we might
have a first round series between The mets and The,
yankees and as a, Result, Nah i'll. Pass i'm. Out,
no you're gonna, watch just like you always, watch you

(52:38):
know when when The giants play The jets in whatever
situation that, IS i mean that you're gonna. Watch you
are going to. Watch these are these are resulting in
more games that will that people will want to. Watch
and The Angels dodgers' rivalry is. Real you could have
a division now where it's gonna be Potentially Angels, Dodgers,
PADRES i don't, know d bas maybe whatever it. IS

(52:59):
i mean like that that travel players are gonna love.
It and by the, way by the, way one of
the other things The commissioner said last night THAT i
think was important was the ease of the. Travel the
players will have shorter, flights more nights at. Home they
will their bodies will be in better. Shade by the
end of the, season the product is, better the players are,
happier the fans get more games that they can actually.

(53:21):
WATCH i AM i am fully on board with this.

Speaker 3 (53:24):
Plan tell you what if you get, Nights if you
can go back to the old weight schedule and get
nineteen games of The White sox And cubs, TOGETHER i
think everybody, celebrates but.

Speaker 6 (53:35):
That Crosstown cup is gonna be like a season unto.
Itself you're gonna have. More they'll have more games to
determine The Crosstown cup than THE nba in season. Tournament
we're gonna raise a banner for this. One.

Speaker 3 (53:45):
BABY i remember seeing all sorts of fights back when
those games quote didn't matter, anyway jap last one for
you serious Note Zach wheeler removal of a blood clot
near his throwing, shoulder thirty five years, old having another
fantastic year ten and five runner up for the Cy.
Young last you any idea how quickly he can get
back and what this does to their.

Speaker 6 (54:04):
Rotation you, Know, mike it's a very tough, question and
it's and it's sad because he's one of my favorite
competitors to, watch great, pitcher great person who was. Putting
he's put in so much to his, career been able
to overcome arm. Injuries. Earlier first of, all we talked
about a blood. Clot good on the doctors for being
able to recognize, it and For zach's athletic trainers with The,

(54:24):
phillies and For zach himself for speaking up because that's
the scary. Thing and so what The phillies announced today
was that it's been basically taken care. Of so like
the thrabosas has been taken care, of that's obviously great.
News what we don't know is how it was taken care,
of where it, was the extent of the surgery is

(54:45):
a lot that we don't know right. Now if if
AND i will, say if it was a full thoracic
outlet syndrome, procedure which we do not. Know we do
not know. That but if it, was it's almost certainly season.
ENDING i, mean that's that's if it was that. Extent
we don't know the extent of, it and so we'll
wait to hear from The phillies about where they're at

(55:07):
in terms of the specifics. There but it's it's obviously tough.
News he's out. Indefinitely Uh, no one really knows when
he's gonna be able to pitch. Again I'm i'm optimistic
based on you, know there have been other pictures that
have dealt with different situations of this type have gone
on the pitch, Again So i'm optimistic that it's not
going to be a career ending. Situation but but this

(55:28):
is a massive impediment for The. Phillies there's no there's
no getting around of. It that's he's the ace. Pitcher
they're Hoping nola gets back to. Form but it's this
is certainly a game changer in a very unfortunate way
in The National League.

Speaker 4 (55:41):
East he's On twitter At.

Speaker 1 (55:43):
John, morosi that is At John, Morosi John paul is
always thanks for stopping, by uh and and the NOTE
i gave you last week WHEN i Said i'm looking
forward to Seeing McLean's. Debut thank you for getting That.
DISTERNS i FEEL i feel good about getting a ring
at the end of the year now.

Speaker 6 (55:59):
And ordered ahead when we were in it AND i
was texted With dave over the weekend too that he's
in a good. Mood it was back to back, wins
so all is well For sergy and The. Pope take it.

Speaker 4 (56:10):
Easybody we'll talk to you next, week very.

Speaker 6 (56:12):
Week thanks, guys