September 24, 2025 • 49 mins
The guys kick things off by breaking down the MLB playoff landscape and previewing the Mets vs. Cubs matchup. Then, they shift to the NFL, where the Giants have benched Russell Wilson and are turning to rookie quarterback Jaxon Dart. Next, they examine the Browns' quarterback situation, with Jason offering a solution involving Colts QB Anthony Richardson and Saints QB Spencer Rattler. Later, FOX Sports Radio MLB analyst Jon Paul Morosi joins the show to talk all things MLB heading into the postseason. Don’t miss all that and more on The Best of The Jason Smith Show with Mike Harmon!
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Speaker 1 (00:29):
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way tire buying should be. Well, this is it. The
final week of the season of Major League Baseball. I'm
a nervous wreck. That's the Cubs are seven to seven,
bottom of the seventh and if the Mets win, they
take over the final wild card. And I'm sitting here
going what kind of deal with the devil? Did the
Guardians make twelve and a half games? They were out
(01:12):
about a month or so ago, and now they're tied
with the Tigers. Like, that's gonna be one hell of
a bill when it comes to Mike Carmon, I know
what the Guardians gave them, but it's gonna be one
hell of a bill.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
How do you get such a faustian deal your own
damn self, that's what you're asking right now? Seven seven's
all over the place, bottom of seven, two on two out.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
Manager will make a pitching change, so we go to
the commercial break as you have to sweat it out
a little bit longer. But a pretty wild game, And yeah,
I mean the wild circumstances coming down to this final week.
We've got a dead heat in the al MVP betting
odds coming into tonight's game. We've got all these playoff juxtaposition.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
We've got Schoolbles supposed to be the guy, gonna be
the stopper, Gonna build a statue to him outside. It's
gonna be of him hiking a ball like he's well
juggling or something like that, or or a long schnapper
on one of those many blocked field goals from Sunday's
NFL Action. Either way, just a wild final week ahead
(02:15):
for us here in Major League Baseball.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
Yeah, I mean the Tigers may never win again. I
mean really, that's that's kind of what this is. They
may never win again. Won their last game, I mean
for Bes, but forever they maybe done.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
Like the Guardian used the documentary they really need, Hey,
you go find who's the ambissary of the devil that.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
They can't that The Guardians came up and made that
twelve and a half games. Not only the Guardians making
this up, but now the Tigers can't win. I mean this,
this is go for the Gusto man, go for the
go for the Gusto Miracle mats of nineteen sixty nine
on steroids. I read, I read, I read a book
not too long ago? Was was it? The Invisible Life
(02:54):
of Addie LaRue? What v Schwap really good? Right?
Speaker 4 (02:56):
You know?
Speaker 1 (02:57):
I read all the time because I'm I'm that guy.
And the book was about she meets a couple of
characters over the course of her life that made these
Faustian bargains with the devil, and they both made the
bargains for you know, some kind of great life. And
the first guy made it for eternity, right like, he
met the devil whoever it was, and he meant, yeah,
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I want this kind of life in this this for eternity,
and the devil granted it to him, whoever it was.
And then the other dock she meets how long did
you get? And he goes three years? Three years? How
do you only get three years? You gave him your
soul for eternal damnation and you're only getting three years
out of it. So like, go big if you're the Guardians, man,
go big, go big, get everything. Tiger's never win again.
(03:39):
Schoobl is no longer, He's never gonna win again. Oh,
just keep going, man, go all the way. Well, but
that's just it. You really need to ask for the world.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
And then, as we know, you're gonna fall just short
of something, so chaos to come into playoffs.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
I guess this is what we're getting ready for here.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
If if history is to be believed, right, of all
these things, you get right to the precipice of greatness,
your world and global universal adoration, and then it all
goes asunder. So yeah, I mean, you can already write
this book. You just need the last chapter man.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
And again Mets and Cubs are tied seven seven p
crow armstrung up with two on and two out in
the seventh. Now I've all the thing is as nervous
as I am. I've already come to grips that the
metsage is gonna take this all the way down to
the last day, just to drag all of the really
all the really bad. How could they possibly blow this
wild card lead in the most painful fashion possible, And
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it's gonna take it down to the final day of
the regular season. It's gonna take it down to Sunday
against the Marlins, who were terrible, but get somehow they
played the Mets every game. They have one hundred wins.
So like like it's gonna all go come all the
way down. I would say, hey, if you're gonna blow it,
do it the next couple of days, right, Please do
it the next couple of day. Doesn't don't make me
go through all this anguish and take years off my
life with worrying about stuff the next few days only
(04:56):
to gack it away on a Sunday. Do it early.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
If you're gonna do it, well, didn't do it there
as crow Armstrong goes down on strikes to end the threat.
In the seventh, we'll go to the eighth tide seven
to seven.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
Once at once a met, right, once a met. When
you're a met, you're always yeah, well you talk about
a tail of two halves, man.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
One of the more curious things ever. Right, normally bad
ball swinging guys they have their come up and so
it just doesn't happen for a full half of the season.
But the law of averages are what they are for
Pete crow Armstrong. The highlight of this game was John
mulaney Sittingnacious College Prep Chicago Alum.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
Yeah it was not. I really would rather him if
he could have re enacted his speech from the Christmas
Bear from the Bear like that would have been better
than the is he still he's still holding the fork?
Uh huh okay, thank you, yes we are so again
before updated on this game seven to seven Mets Cubs
right National Game TBS. This is it going to the
top of the eighth inning. Meanwhile, hey, big news in
(06:02):
the NFL. I mean you knew it if you listen
to us well over a month ago. It is now official.
The Giants are benching Russell Wilson. Jackson Dart will start instead.
And oh, by the way, hey, no soft landing. You're
gonna go up against one of the top three defenses
of the NFL. You're gonna get the red hot La Chargers.
Good luck, Jackson Dart. Look, this is something we told
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you a month ago. When Dart had the big game
in the preseason against the Jets, you could just tell
this is the way the world is going with the Giants, right,
It's all Jackson Dart and no momentum of any kind
for Russell Wilson. Once they traded for Dart, and Dart
came in and showed that over the course of his
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mini camps and in the summer that the moment wasn't
too big for him. And Dart was really good along
the way, checked every box. He never really struggled. He
threw the ball really well. You knew it was just
a matter of time. I mean, I knew the middle
last month because I know New York and I know that,
and watching Chris collins Worth on Sunday night, going, yeah,
you kind of want to start Dart, but you want
to give him a soft landing. Maybe middle of the season.
(07:08):
I'm like, dude, do I need to be in that
booth instead of you? Because I'd have said, yeah, you
know what, like I've been telling you since the middle
of August, this change is going to be happening by
October first. Turns out my bull prediction, I had a week.
I had a week to sit back and go, yeah,
I got a week for this thing because it's happening now,
instead of I mean it was, this was just the
way things were with the Giants. They Russell Wilson had
(07:32):
no cachet and once she's once it was the Wilson
Dart tandem. Over the summer, you knew it was going
to be Jackson Dart, right, Brian Dable and Joe Shane
want to save their jobs. We've talked about this everything
you heard today. Look, that's why we say ahead of
the curve, because we've told you this a month ago.
They want to save their jobs. They want to be
the ones to say, hey, wait a minute, we're the
(07:52):
ones that can coach the hell out of this guy.
We're the ones that take you the next you know,
out of the Daniel Jones era and out of whatever
era this is, into the Jackson Dart. Hey, we you
know we can do that. So you knew this was
just a matter of time right now to take this
in a in a you know, to go forward on this,
Mike carmixs you know, like say ahead of the curve, right,
that's it. Yeah. So now, Russell Wilson, what did we
(08:13):
say when this was gonna happen. Wilson is not gonna
spend the rest of the season and potentially his last
in the NFL sitting on the sidelines holding a clipboard
or more than likely with the big Parka on in
this in the winter months where he's just holding him said,
he's got his helmet on and he's just sitting there
with the big parka, you know, with his arms around
he wrapped around each other, just watching the game happen.
(08:34):
Not gonna happen, right, Not gonna happen. So by the
time the trade deadline gets here, Russell Wilson's gonna be
on a new team. That's another reason why they made
this move now. So they can see that as long
as as as Jackson Dart is good, they will make
the move in trade. Russell Wilson, He's not gonna finish
this year backing up sitting on the bench. That's not
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who he is, right, that's not dangerous. He's gonna say,
get me somewhere where I can jump in and maybe
help a team that needs a quarterback, because everybody needs quarterbacks,
whether it's injury or ineffect us. We've already had four
or five quarterback changes the first three weeks of the
season because of injury. So that's going to happen. And
it also makes sense now if you believe that, and
(09:15):
you say, okay, wait a minute, this makes sense as
to how Jameis Winston is still on that team because
when you trade Russell Wilson, okay, you're looking for a
backup of some kind that can come in just in
case he has to. If Jackson Dart shows, hey, wait
a minute, I need some more time, you sit him
down for a bit, put him in bubble wrap. The
rams at that with Jared Goff beginning of his career.
(09:36):
So it makes sense. This is why Jameis Winston is
still there because then he would be that break glass
in case emergency quarterback that takes over. So yeah, so
Jackson Dart he's gonna start, But I'm telling you Wilson's
gone by the deadline. And you realize this is why
Jameis Winston is still on the team. I'm not gonna lie.
I really hope that teams come looking for Jamis instead,
but just because I think it's better theater. Yeah, we
(10:00):
don't want that guy. No, no, no, we want the other
guy in the room. He's funnier. Uh and uh, you
know he'll wing it around, just like Russwell. I mean,
whether it's Cincinnati or one of these other teams that's
already faced a huge loss. Yeah, I mean there's certainly
a marketplace, right we see that the running back position,
right we when we're we're talking about guys that are
(10:20):
that are back off injury and haven't been used yet.
Speaker 4 (10:23):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (10:24):
You know the old phrase that I've used from my
mom's forever, the old save it for good. It seems
like we've got a little bit of that, uh going
on with some of the guys being stashed and coming back.
But but in this it was inevitable. Just again, thought
thought it was gonna be New Orleans. But it's not
like that's really that's the only good game on the schedule.
(10:48):
Otherwise they've got another five or six in a row
thereafter that are just miserable potential points for for Jackson Dart,
but you got to see what he's got. You got
to test the metal. Uh, and you certainly needed a
different change in the room to try to get Molik
neighbors more consistently involved in more opportunities. We'll see more
of Scatabo, of course with Tracy's injury, and probably more
(11:10):
Devin Singletary because he's a good blocker and receiver in
the backfield, so we'll see that a little bit. But
for for Shane and Dabile, Yeah, yeah, you had to
pull the pin. You got to see what you have,
try to convince the bosses that you get to keep
your job. And yeah, eventually Russell Russell Wilson will be
somewhere else. There's there's no question about it.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
And you start to wonder if that's been the plan
the last couple of months. Where Okay, we're getting into
the summer. We have these three quarterbacks, right, We're not
sure what we have, right. We signed Russell Wilson, we
signed Jameis Winston. We have to wait till the draft.
They get Jackson Dart. Okay, we have these three guys,
and I'm sure the thought was Okay, what do we
do here? Do we let Jamis go? Do we trade him?
(11:53):
What we know? What do we do Jackson? Dart's coming
along well. And I'm wondering if if once the summer
hit and the Giants realize that, hey, Dart's gonna be
in here sooner rather than later, right, we don't have
to sit here and wait for him to be ready
like he's gonna be ready the first month. Right again,
we told you, and I wonder if that's been the plan.
And they've actually talked to Russell Wilson about this, saying, Hey,
if this happens, we're gonna keep all three of these guys.
(12:14):
We're gonna keep all three of you. We will move
you at the deadline to a team. We will move
you at the deadline. And that's been the plan that
we've had since Dart showed that it's gonna be sooner
rather than later. And I'm sure all three of these
guys been on the same pages. Look, you haven't heard anything.
Jameis Winston hasn't been mad about stuff. Jameis wins Why
am I here as a third guy? You haven't heard
that you it was one of those three amigos also right, Yeah,
(12:38):
nothing from Russell Wilson about all this time. It's my job.
It's X, Y and Z. Everybody seems to be on
the same page. And it makes sense that if once
the middle of this, once the beginning of the summer hit,
and there were three quarterbacks, this is why we're keeping
all three, right, because that makes too much sense for
this to not have been the plan going on the
better part of five or six weeks.
Speaker 3 (12:57):
Now, Well, yeah, I have two guys in the room
and have just vastly they've experienced everything, right, Russ had
all the great success, the Super Bowl, the near miss,
all of that, uh, some big numbers, and he's obviously
learned a lot. For Jamis, you've had the struggles, the
interceptions that you name it, and bouncing around to where
(13:21):
Jackson Dark can glean so much information from both of
these guys. They've started and played so many snaps. To
have them around the room as long as they have
can only be to his benefit. And now you get
the opportunity. I guess they're helped in some way that
you don't have a fully deployed Chargers defense with Khalil
mack out. But still it's it'll be a very interesting
(13:44):
game to watch and see how they run that offense.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
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we have big baseball breaking news. Steve de Saga ready
for this. But for big should I just do it?
I think I should just do it. I just do
the breaking news. Francisco Alvarez a two run jack in
the top of the eighth, Mets lead the Cubs nine
to seven, bringing the bringing him back in?
Speaker 3 (14:34):
How many times did he that he was done with
them for the year?
Speaker 1 (14:38):
They suckt the God? All right? At least that was good.
You could be Sophia Copla. How about that you be
the worst actor in the entire movie. You'd be Sophia Cope.
Speaker 5 (14:50):
I have no relatives in this game. I can't get in.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
Steve, you have stats of the exit velocity on the
Alvarez home run? Do you have any what? What do
you have?
Speaker 5 (14:58):
It did travel for one hundred and three feet at
Wrigley Field. Wow, but really that's pretty good. It's a
wriggly Field game. And it's not over. Yes, now, Mets
were down with David Peterson on the mound five to
one in the second. They got a five run fifth
even at six six. It's now nine seven Mets in
the top of the eighth. Not over. We had people
(15:19):
off the air discussing these playoff possible matchups. Nobody wanted
to play three games at Wrigley Field next week.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
Just for the record, I don't ever want to play
three games at Wrigley Field. I don't I don't care.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
I don't care when it is, ye, especially with what
they've done to that neighborhood.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
Trust for those who anymore, Oh, it's just terrible.
Speaker 5 (15:39):
The Wildcard series, the best of three they each begin
next Tuesday, but all the games are at the better
seeded team.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
Now you mentioned David Peterson. This is this is a
great stat from the great statistician Jason Smith. David Peterson's
last ten starts okay, Like, I can't believe the guy
is still throwing him out every fifth day. His last
ten starts since August first, forty seven innings pitched, fifty
six hits, forty one earn runs. Like, how was he
(16:06):
still taking his turn every fifth day? Because he's a
Met I don't understand.
Speaker 5 (16:10):
I have nothing else.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
This guy was on the All Star team.
Speaker 5 (16:15):
Dave Roberts was getting the bullpen games going throughout each round.
It's gonna be three bullpen games next week for the Mets.
Speaker 3 (16:23):
Hey, because he hasn't gone to anybody and said, you
know what, my shoulder hurts, my back hurts, whatever, you'd
be okay, you're feeling all right?
Speaker 1 (16:30):
Yeah, I'm great. Give me the ball, you man, I'll
tell you all right, Well, thank you, Steve.
Speaker 5 (16:35):
By the way, Theres Padres have already home or twice
six nothing in the second inning against the Brewers.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
Is David Peterson pitching in that game too?
Speaker 5 (16:42):
Although, yeah, I think the Brewers would take him at
this point. They got games to kill for the rest
of the week.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
Oh sure, yeah, yeah, yeah, why not? Yes, Hey, Mike
Caldwell could come in and pitch a little bit Gara. Sure,
oh yeah, yeah, they.
Speaker 5 (16:54):
Got them all nineteen eighty two Brewers very good, Thank you, Steve.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
Oh, Pete Vukovich still you know? Hey? Sure? No, no, no?
Who hit? He hit you? Yeah? Aynyword? Isn't he a
convicted felon? I don't have it? Well? He ought to
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Cowboys coming up in a second, because boy, the war
(19:16):
of words already going on between the Cowboys and Packers
ahead of Micah Parsons Bowl on Sunday. But we know
we had the conversation a couple minutes ago about how look,
the one team that should go after a quarterback are
the Browns. Forget about this Sanders and Gabriel and all
this crap happening right now. They're great, lights out defense.
If they had any production whatsoever at quarterback, they would
(19:39):
be two and one. And it's a watered down It's
a bad AFC North right. The Ravens defense is terrible,
The Bengals have no Joe Burrow for most of the
rest of the season, and Pittsburgh is just kind of okay, right,
be bold, go get a quarterback. Now. You threw out
there Russell Wilson a few minutes ago, and I said, no,
they need to go get a quarterback. Okay, just understanding,
I need to get.
Speaker 3 (19:58):
A something there because because look, and now the battle
for Ohio also extends to we need a new quarterback.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
Yeah. Now, the two guys that I'll give you two
names that they can now, there's no there's no sure
fire antswer out there, and teams aren't just gonna trade
their backup quarterback just because right like the Rams aren't
gonna trade Jimmy Garoppolo because he's not starting right the
Red Hey, no, we have hopes and dreams and if
something happens to Stafford, we feel pretty good with Jimmy
(20:28):
Garoppolo coming in, right, So it's got to be the
right kind of situation where the team can part with
a quarterback that has some talent. Right now, you're taking
a bit of a risk, but this is a risk
just for this year. You can start over again after
this year if you don't like it. The two quarterbacks
you can go after right that I know we'll get
that are gonna be available that you can get a
lot for the first ones in the AFC, and it's
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Anthony Richardson because you know, with Daniel Jones's start, they're
ready to hand that. You have it now, Daniel, you're
the Sam Darnold of twenty twenty five. Man, We love you,
and the further we could get removed from Anthony Richardson,
the better we are.
Speaker 7 (21:05):
Now.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
Yes, you worry about Daniel Jones getting hurt Richardson coming in,
but you know Richardson's a sunk cost at this point, right,
I mean you know you're not going forward with him.
He's not gonna suddenly win the job next year. You
see how well Jones is playing his first three games,
but Richardson has flashed before. If he can stay healthy
and a change of scenery with a really good offensive
(21:25):
coach and Kevin Stefanski. Yeah, Anthony Richardson's a guy that
isla Hey bring him in and see you could say that,
well it's a rit yeah, but I know it's a risk.
It has upside because I've seen him have games where boy,
for three quarters Anthony Richard's been terrible and then in
a seven minute spans it's two touchdowns in a field
goal and all of a sudden it's seventeen seventeen, Like,
that's a risk that you could take. And the Colts,
(21:47):
I'm sure will want to move on and say, okay,
we're in on Daniel Jones, that the Anthony Richard era
is over and we're going forward. I'm sure he would
be available. Yeah, I mean, what's the risk? I mean,
it ain't gonna cost you much to bring him in,
all right? For the Colts, when as soon as they
paid Daniel Jones the money they did uh to bring
him in, you knew it was a done deal. And
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now you're at a point where he's he's your break
glass in case of emergency. You didn't want him, all right,
That's why you went into the marketplace to bring in another.
Speaker 3 (22:17):
Distressed property that you saw could be a positive in
your offense in Daniel Jones. So yeah, you you shuffle
him off. But I don't think the asking price is
gonna be too high. How many other quarterbacks are really
out there that are viable started? I mean, I I
don't know that I necessarily want him to bring him in.
Is he better than what I'm putting out there? Is
(22:38):
he gonna be better than Joe Flacco? I mean, I
guess he could make a player too with his legs,
but then he's gonna be tired, he's gonna go off
the field. Yeah, but there also he also is a
guy that needs a change of scenery nods to be
able to get someplace else. And if you're going, you
know that that's a guy who was eminently available, because
you know, the the colts have have itchy, itchy fingers
(22:58):
to say, hey, we want to make a move. We
really don't want this to sit here anymore. And Richardson
has flash. I've seen him do it, and again maybe
he's learned a lot. Like look, this whole summer, the
competition was really close. No matter who I read about
or talked to. Hey, no, this is a close competition.
Richardson has look good. They just feel better with Daniel
Jones because of the way the offense is.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
He gets now. But but beat writers would have come
out and said, hey, Richardson looks terrible. Richardson, don't listen
to that, like all the beat writers. The guy's covering practices. Also,
this is a really close competition, And you could say
it was kind of rigged as a competition because clearly, yeah,
unless Richardson is terrific. We're gonna give the job to
Jones because we've seen him succeed in this kind of
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offense before, so let's do it. But like now, it's
the point, Okay, as talented as Richardson is, yeah, it's
just not working here. And he's got no future in Indianapolis.
He may have one in Cleveland, and I mean, look,
it may not work, but I know it's better than
what they got. Would Flacco out there right now, and
like you said, at least the very least, he'll make
plays with his legs and he'll be a little bit
more dynamic than Flaka was at this point.
Speaker 3 (24:02):
Maybe he gives you a little opportunity to uncork some
stuff downfield. When you look at Tilm and you look
at Jerry Judy and some of the wide receivers you've got, uh,
you've got a couple of pretty good tight ends there
to utilize as well. So look, clearly you've got a
lot of problems. You're offensively, Uh how should we be
kind deficient at this point? And now you've got Judkins
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gave you a little bit of juice in the backfield.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
We'll see what he can do going forward. But yeah,
trying trying to goose this in the trademark, and I'm
curious who else, who else are you on earthing uh
from a roster. The other guy I'm telling you here
is caleber No. The other guy I'm telling you here
available that has flashed a little bit, is a little dynamic,
makes plays with his legs, and you know they want
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to move on to the guy they drafted this year.
Go get Spencer Rattler from the Saints. Right, at some
point they got to play Tyler Shuck, right, they have
to he and he played a little bit this past week.
Rattler has done enough. He's moved the team enough, he
has shown that hey he's not completely overwhelmed, and yes,
he can make plays with his legs. He's had a
couple of big games. Is he great?
Speaker 2 (25:11):
No?
Speaker 1 (25:11):
But I know he can give you that little bit
of juice and be again that I keep saying dynamic,
because that's what the Browns offense needs. He's someone that's
available simply because you know, after this year, the Saints
are gonna go after another quarterback. They're in a stuck
place right now with Derek Carr's contract and what they
want to wind up doing and you know at some point, well,
we drafted Tyler Schuck in the second round, he's got
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to get a chance. It's we're oh to three, that's
coming sooner rather than later. So yeah, if we started
Tyler Schuck, we're gonna go back to Spencer Ratllley. Now
we can get something for Spencer Ratler. So okay, we
go and worse comes to worst, we tank and we're
drafting arch Manning at the end of this year and
lets the Jets get him first, right, So stay and
beat the Giants first, since.
Speaker 3 (25:51):
That was the game everybody had circled the whole time,
going we're gonna beat that ass when well, we played
that game. They've been mocking us, and everybody's been pointing
to that game.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
For two months. So yeah, you're looking at you look
at those two guys that are young, that have talent
that again can get outside the pocket. They're two players
that yeah, those are you, and it's it's not gonna
be very expensive to go get them each team. Would
you almost be doing them a favor doing this because
you know they're gonna make the move anyway, Go make
it now, Go make it down In two weeks, you
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got rattler. Richardson's starting for you and suddenly, hey, and
if they don't work out, okay, then you can go
to Dylan Gabriel. Then you can go to Shador Sanders.
Like these are guys that have done it on the
field in the NFL at a young age. Go do
something that helps your team out. Right now, you give
them a give them a little bit of Hey, we
got your back here. We're not just gonna let you defense.
We're not gonna let you just go out there every
week and give up fourteen points and we lose fourteen thirteen.
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We're not gonna do that to you. Like, really, you
can contend this year because the AFC North is bad.
I mean, really, have you've shown enough in the first
three weeks how good this defense is. Keep it going, man,
People do something, do something to help help out, Help
out a fan base that's been starved for all sorts
of good news for the past well, I don't know,
twenty five years. Go help out that fan base.
Speaker 3 (27:07):
What just so they have a new story on the
back of the fish wrap. I don't know, I don't know.
They're a little bit of help. Yeah, I don't know
that Richardson suddenly be hey, let's have a rally in
the town square.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
Over their arrivals. It's different. It's different, and I know
if I hear something, even if it's wrong, If I know, okay,
if I know what I have in my right hand
isn't working. Right. If I have a video game control
in my right hand that I know is broken, it's broken,
I can't use it. What about the video game control
on your left hand? I have no idea. I have
no idea. Someone just put it in my hand. It
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could be broken. It could be broken worse than this one,
but it could be working great. I don't know, But
I know the one in my right hand is broken,
So why wouldn't I try to use the one in
the left hand?
Speaker 3 (27:48):
I give you, I give you credit. You Cot, You
just said I could have this or what's in the box.
So you got a little more creative with the video game.
I noticed that you didn't go to the high price
end where it might be a lot more implicated to
make something happen. But a guy whose team suddenly needs him,
and that's old Captain Kirk.
Speaker 8 (28:07):
You know, if if I didn't hear all those stories
the last few days about how dude, Now we think
Kirk Cousins is done, and really the league is telling
you they think he has done because there's been no talk.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
There's not been one team that has called. Because normally
by now we would get that, Hey, sources, Vikings called
for kirk Cousins in the preseason or Raiders call about
kirk Cousins in the offseason. There's been no teams. There's
been no talk at all. No, Hey, we're gonna want
to look into this. What can we do money wise?
Would you eat money for Kirk Cousins, And clearly the
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Falcons would do it, right, Hey, we decided to go
on all in on Michael Pennix. So the fact that
we haven't I haven't heard anything from any team at
any point in the last I don't know, six months
on Kirk Cousins tells me the entire league thinks he's done.
Speaker 3 (28:51):
I think some of it was you needed proof of
concept of where he was physically in the process, but
it's also the curiosity of where they're at. Given the
first couple of games we've watched from Michael Pennix Junior.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
Oh yeah, he uh, he's not he's not.
Speaker 3 (29:06):
Uh, he's not he's not good, right, especially the expectations
of this squad. Yeah, good right, that it was gonna
they were gonna go and they were gonna win the
South running away and I said, I said, not so fast, uh.
Speaker 1 (29:19):
Thinking that you still gotta run through the through the Buccaneers.
Speaker 3 (29:23):
But here you have it that Pennix had one solid
game and then it's been a bit ugly.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (29:29):
And when you get shut out, what do we get
less than ten of those a year anymore? Right, you
get shut out by the Panthers, it's pretty pretty bad
indictment of where your squad is right now. Just despite
all the headliners on the marquee.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
I mean, I saw, these are two guys you can
go get. I like it, I mean be but you know,
help right, like go to and you don't put anything
at risk. That's the best part is that? What about Getua?
Oh man? Yeah, well you might have to wait another
couple of weeks. If the if the Dolphins lose to
the Jets on Monday night, I know, we decided we're
not gonna mention that game because we want people to
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watch Monday night football. Yeah, there's two games on two
games on Monday. Don't worry about off day from Major
League Baseball. Yeah, we'll just make stuff up. Yeah, I know,
we'll make stuff up. I will make it up. But
if they lose to the Jets, I wonder how available
I got. But then you're worried about getting into the
money for TUA. It needs to be something where the
Browns can say our long term plans, meaning after this year,
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are unaffected. But we can still kind of go for
it this year because maybe arch Manning isn't great, right,
we've seen it. Maybe he's not the guy we should
thank for. Maybe Leonora Sellers is really good, maybe he's not.
Maybe Garrett nus Meyer's great, maybe he's not. But it
doesn't matter. We can try to go for it this year,
and if it doesn't work, okay, that's good. We're we're
still starting over next year where the new quarterback is
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something else. If it does work, great, we may have
our quarterback. We may Spencer Rattler Anthony may wind up
being quarterbacks here. Why not? How about that? You never
time they.
Speaker 3 (30:59):
Were both the the flavor of the day, right, Yeah,
Anthony Richardson had that month.
Speaker 9 (31:04):
Yeah, you a little sculpture of a statue for him, Yeah, boy,
I should have really traded him in Dynasty right after
that one that Spencer and Spencer Rattler was kind of
a big deal once upon a long time and in
the collegiate game.
Speaker 1 (31:19):
So I'm in and he's looked all right, I mean
through three weeks, yeah, you know, I didn't somebody outside
the division. So we'll see what happens there and really
quick because because I remember this and I have to
sometimes sit back and go, don't agonize too much over
over fantasy. But I vividly remember because I had the
second pick of the draft and fantasy and I knew,
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I knew it's whatever. I knew somebody was going to
pick number one. I'm going, oh, man, do I take
Bryce Young or Anthony Richardson? Like what do I do?
Like what do I do at number two?
Speaker 4 (31:52):
Like?
Speaker 1 (31:52):
Do I take Bryce Young or Anthony Richardson? Wow?
Speaker 5 (31:54):
What?
Speaker 1 (31:55):
I And I agonized over it for like a week
once I knew that the guy picking wasn't gonna pick
either those quarterbacks, and I like remember going, like my
whole week was like what do I do? Who do
I take? Who do I take? And now it's like
it doesn't matter, it doesn't matter because they both stink,
so it makes no difference. Funny how that worked out,
isn't it? What are you gonna do? Yeah? But what
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can you do? Exit out about a Fresca exit swollen
down the Jason Smith Show with my best friend Mike Harmon.
So yeah, go out, be bold, go get it, go
do it, go do it. It'll be awesome. We got
the Cowboys story coming up later on this hour, because
Jerry Jones already is talking about how excited he is
that Micah Parsons and the Packers are on the schedule
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this week for the Dallas Cowboys. But coming up next,
John Paul Morosi stops by. We have had an incredible
night in Major League Baseball? Have the Guardians made a
deal with the Devil? Will the Tigers ever win again?
Who's getting that final wildcard? The National League and Robot
Umps are here. It's official, It's coming next season. All
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that more coming up next Jason and Mike keep it
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John Paul Morosi is on Twitter at John Morosi. I
understand the legacy and how the Detroit Tigers are woven
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into his family history. The Cleveland Guardians, who once trailed
this division by fifteen and a half games, now lead
the Ale Central over the Tigers. It will be the
largest deficit overcome to win a division in the history
of baseball. This has been tweeted out by John Paul Morosi,
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so it's only fair, John Paul, I welcome you in
and ask how is your family doing? Specifically, how is
your dad doing? I can't believe he's doing well right now.
Speaker 7 (34:31):
They only watched this week the Lions on Monday Night.
I'm gonna turn off the TV for a few days.
Dog Lions win Primetime Football, Talk of the Nation. Exciting
times there for coach Dan Campbell, healthy. Aiden Hutchinson did
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a great job on Lamar Jackson Monday night. That's the
only game my dad's watched this week. I think, no
base No, it's uh. This is uh as as I had.
As I was typing out that that post, I said,
my goodness, this, uh, this sounds pretty real for my
for my home state, and it is listen, uh everything
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about this game, that the bizarre sixth inning, the bund
that went awry, and then obviously the concern over David
Fry's health and that that play in that situation, the balk.
It just it was a surreal series of events. And
and now the Tigers can no longer casually explain away
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what's happened. This is a this is a collapse of
biblical proportions that is now unfolding. And if they can't
write the ship here quickly. One of the big concerns
now for Detroit is, of course they they lose the
tiebreaker to the Guardian. So so it's not only that
they need to to keep even with the Guardians, they
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have to actually go past them again, and it's just
not easy to do that. The Guardians are hot, playing well,
and then when the Tigers are done playing Cleveland, they
got to go to Fenway. And then the Red Sox
just won a game tonight against a really tough team
in Toronto. And oh, by the way, tomorrow night, the
Red Sox have Garrett crochean the mound against the Blue Jays.
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So you start looking around and asking yourself, where are
the wins going to come from? Where are they going
to get some wins? And they may just have to
hope that the Astros stumble down the stretch. Obviously, the
lost three games playing against the Aids tonight now, but
the mathematics no longer favored the Tigers. They are in
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a world of hurt. And oh, by the way, their
starter on Thursday, his name is td D TVD is
who they've got starting Thursday's game with everything on the line.
Speaker 1 (36:55):
JPA was interesting you use the term of biblical proportions
because we're wondering if there are any Billy go Texas
trips to the crossroads that have helped to spur this on.
Speaker 7 (37:06):
Well, I'll tell you what we as michigan ors, may
need to learn and see exactly what has transpired if
there is another curse here in our state. We've got
the curse of Bobby Lane. The Red Wings, of course,
ended their long drought back in nineteen ninety seven, but
you do start to wonder. Back in six there was
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the bizarre pitchers having a hard time throwing the bases,
a few different things going on in that era. They
missed the playoffs, the big collapse in two thousand and nine,
But I have not seen anything quite like this. I
guess I'll say this, it's the curse of not re
signing Justin Verlander. He was available last winter. He's gone
on to have a very solid season with the Giants. Instead,
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the Tigers, for the same amount of money, signed a
pitcher and Alex Cobb, who did not throw a single
pitch for them this season. Zero did not throw a pitch.
One year contract for more than ten million dollars and
didn't pitch, And they could have signed Verlander for the
same amount of money. For some reason, they didn't, And
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now they are sadly for the Tigers dealing with those consequences.
Speaker 1 (38:14):
See, I think it's a little bit. It's just to
widen the net here, John Paul is that I think
this is what's going on, and I think you're at
the crux of it. Because every year you picked the
Mariners to win the division. That's right, you picked. This
has been what eight years in a row you have
picked the Seattle Mariners to win the AL West. Now
it's going to happen. So the baseball God is saying,
I'm sorry, there's got to be a yin and yang here.
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So I'm giving you the Tigers absolute epic collapse. I'll
give you the Mariners who are going to win that
division finally, but you have to take the Tigers epic collapse.
Speaker 7 (38:44):
Right and again. The Mariners get a chance to try
to complete this by defeating the Kylada Rockies this week,
which I like their chances to win this series they're
playing right now. But you're right, after all these years
of now picking the Mariners. And let's make this point too.
You look at the American League East and guess what
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team is now just one game back of the division lead.
The New York Yankees, And there were certain teams that
we thought if you looked back two weeks ago, or
even a couple a few days ago, you said, well,
the two buys in the American League could very easily
belong to the Tigers and the Blue Jays. Well, the
Jays are now in the fight for their lives to
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try to stay in the top spot of the American
League East, with only a one game lead. Now the
Tigers are barely even in the playoff picture. Right now,
if the Astros win tonight, the Tigers are officially out
of a spot at least for the time being. So
a lot of things at play, and all the things
that you thought were going to happen, like the Tigers
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having the best record in the American League, they may
not even make the playoffs. And now the Seattle Mariners, who,
by the way, and I'll make this distinction, the Tigers
had a very passive, underwhelming deadline. The Mariners were very aggressive,
and and I think sometimes when you are aggressive, it
sends the right message to your clubhouse. The Tigers, they didn't,
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and I think that as a result, the Tigers have
lacked a little swagger here lately. Whereas you look at
the Mariners and then people like a Hanio Suadez and
Josh Taylor who came over at the deadline. I think
those those two players have helped drive a culture that
might finally prove me right and win the American League West.
Speaker 3 (40:29):
JP and my friend Jason Smith over here has had
a nice roller coaster season with his beloved New York Mets.
Speaker 1 (40:35):
They get it's not been nice. It's not been nice.
Don't tell me it's been a nice seat. It's not
been nice. It's not nice nice to use a very.
Speaker 3 (40:43):
Positive sounding word, even although we know better, incredibly can
anybody that's watched this, But but you've dived off of
their wagon repeatedly. H Is he going to get to
the finish line with this squad? Or are they going
to be left on the outside looking into where he's
eating hoggen dass and cry.
Speaker 7 (41:00):
They're in. They're going to be in the big comeback
win tonight at Wrigley. And Jason again, they tend to
play well during the weeks in which I'm going to
see them, and I will be there at Wrigley on Thursday,
so I will be there. It's our final MLB Network
showcase game of the week I get to stay here
in the Midwest, I'm going to go to Chicago, and
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I'm looking at this team thinking that comeback they had
tonight says a lot about their intestinal fortitude, if you will.
And the other piece of the puzzle that I think
is so fascinating is that Juan Soto has had one
of his best seasons of his entire career this season,
and it's not getting nearly the national love that that
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season deserves. He has been outstanding, especially lately, and so
I'm bullish on the metsage. And I get to see
Brandon spro pitch in person with the first time on Thursday.
So it's all falling into place. And and Jason, I
think that my father, the people in my great home state,
they're just hoping to borrow some of Jason Smith's optimism.
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They just said they want to they want to borrow
your your perpetual look at the sunny side of life.
And I think that if you can share some of
that that zen like status, we would greatly appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (42:23):
Good, good, go much, guys. I'm gonna give you something
very calm. He you see Sternsy David Stearns, who runs
the Mets, your your former college roommate. Uh, just you
pass this along. I'm so happy. No more petersoner Maniah
the rest of this year. No, no more. I don't
want to see them on the mound again ever the
rest of the season. So you can bring him that message.
Speaker 5 (42:42):
I will.
Speaker 7 (42:42):
I will be happy to convey that to him.
Speaker 1 (42:44):
He's been wearing that sandwich born around town. JP.
Speaker 7 (42:48):
Here's my question for you, my esteemed friend and radio host.
I'm going to now turn the question back to you. Sure,
bring three game series wild card series for the Mets.
Who are your three starting pitchers?
Speaker 1 (43:01):
Oh, McLain, McClain, rain delay, snow delay McClain, McLain, No
McLain sprote and Tong. You're going yes, I'm going to
all the kids and if you need to piggyback, because
I think piggyback. You know, it's funny we talked with
this last week. You know, the bullpen games have been
really in vogue the last you know, five to seven
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years and playoffs major League Baseball. I think piggybacking is
going to be the new bullpen games where teams, oh,
we can do this with our starting pitchers. The Mets
started to do it a little bit ago with some
of their with with a couple of their guys, and
it worked a little bit. So I can see a
situation where hey, I can see a piggybacking of say
Tong and Clay Holmes, and that's how they're gonna do it.
And I think more teams are gonna go, oh, we
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don't kill our bullpen. We can you know, we use
two starting pitch, which we can do. Hey, why not
do that? And that might work out better for us?
I think the I think the what teams like the
Mets are doing this is the beginning of a new,
a new trend in baseball.
Speaker 7 (43:55):
I love it, and I am sure. Let let a
Baseball record reflect you heard it here first on the
Jason Smith Show, that this is the new paradigm of
pitching in Major League Baseball in the postseason. Is the
piggyback instead of the bullpen game. I love the idea,
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and let me tell you why I love the idea
the way that you're describing it. If you are putting
a young pitcher into a postseason cauldron, as the Toronto
Blue Jays may also do with Trey Savage, you might
as well have the young man keep the role that
he's had for his entire career. They're all starting pitchers.
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It's asking a lot of Jonah Thong to come into
a seventh inning, men on base, complete chaos, you're on
the road, the crowds going berserk. Why do that? Let
him start, He's been a starter, that's what he's comfortable doing.
And then have someone like Clay Holmes, who has relieved
for most of his major league career, have play do that.
(44:59):
I think that you are now an adjunct professor on
the School of Baseball at City Field, and I shall
convey when I see my good friends Carlos Mendoza bench
coach John Gibbons, I'll convey your your plan, and I
think that I suspect they will look favorably upon it.
Speaker 1 (45:21):
You get one of those adjunct professorships, go in there
and speak wisdom.
Speaker 7 (45:26):
Adjunct Jason Smith. Let's get so, Mike, here's the thing.
Maybe for for Christmas, for him holidays, you know, get
him a gift that is Jason Smith, adjunct Professor the
School of Baseball.
Speaker 1 (45:42):
I think we sure start.
Speaker 3 (45:43):
Card well, it's probably I mean people would want a
degree in that. I mean they can print one from home.
Speaker 1 (45:49):
It'll work. Let me ask you one one thing before
we let you go.
Speaker 3 (45:53):
JP plenty of time to chew this over the off season,
but on Tuesday, the the Competition Committee voted to bring
in the robot OMPs. A lot to be sorted out
and details that we'll deal with over time here, But
what's your any immediate reaction to it.
Speaker 7 (46:12):
I think that it's good. It was inevitable that it
was going to happen, just based on the data that
had been coming in. The Commissioner talked about this at
length in recent months years. MLB has put a ton
of research and thought into the rule changes, and I
do think this will change the way that we watch
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the game in a more profound way than the pitch timer.
The pitch timer, to be honest, guys, I barely even
think about it anymore. I know that it's there, I
know the game is moving faster, but I often don't
think about it. I do think about the number of engagements.
I think about the bigger basis and how many stolen
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bases we see now. That stuff I think about, But
the timer I don't. I think this is going to
be a little bit distinctive in that by definition, multiple
times per game, we're going to be reminded of this,
of the existence of this technology. And I think the
most fascinating thing, Mike will be internal and how teams
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say which players can challenge, how those players feel about it,
how you feel if if you get a chance to challenge,
or if a teammate gets privileged to challenge at any
time and you don't. It's like having a sibling who
has a different curfew than you do, and it's that
is a very complicated feeling that I think will internally
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unfold in fascinating ways that have far reaching implications, so
that this is objectively one of the biggest changes we
have seen. Of all the changes that have occurred under
Rob Manford, I think this is one of the most
important and most most transformative, honestly for the game of baseball.
Speaker 3 (47:57):
Right.
Speaker 1 (47:58):
Lastly, John Paul, your moonlighting job as NFL Detroit Lions prognosticator.
They are favored by eight and a half points at
home this week against the Browns. What's the final score?
Speaker 7 (48:10):
Detroit twenty eight, Cleveland seventeen seventeen.
Speaker 1 (48:17):
Wow? You think twenty eight points in fairness?
Speaker 7 (48:22):
I was close on the margin of victory for the
Lions over the Ravens. I didn't have the total points correct,
but I was darn close on the on the margin,
so I might be honest with this year. Got the guys,
if the Mariners are going to win the division, this
is the year of the MOROSSI.
Speaker 1 (48:39):
A, yeah, but that means you might get cocky. JP.
You got to make sure you check yourself. That's how
people get the trouble.
Speaker 7 (48:45):
Within yourself in yourself.
Speaker 1 (48:48):
See John Paul Morose, the MLB Network, Mets and the Cubs.
Plenty of offense coming up rest of this week at
Wrigley with the wind blowing out. John Paul is always
buddy appreciated, enjoy the games. We'll talk to you next week.
Speaker 7 (48:59):
Looking forward to and thank you so much.
Speaker 1 (49:01):
See you, buddy. Right there goes John Paul Morosi. Great
stuff from him as always. He must really think the
Lions are gonna score a lot of points because normally
he says twenty four, but twenty eight now for the WHOA,
that's a big offensive thing.
Speaker 3 (49:12):
Well, I mean, look, he's banking on Joe Flack go
to give up seven maybe short fields.
Speaker 1 (49:18):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (49:18):
We'll see Aiden Hutchinson maybe with a little punch out
and strips, that kind of thing.
Speaker 1 (49:23):
I don't know, we'll see
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way tire buying should be. Well, this is it. The
final week of the season of Major League Baseball. I'm
a nervous wreck. That's the Cubs are seven to seven,
bottom of the seventh and if the Mets win, they
take over the final wild card. And I'm sitting here
going what kind of deal with the devil? Did the
Guardians make twelve and a half games? They were out
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about a month or so ago, and now they're tied
with the Tigers. Like, that's gonna be one hell of
a bill when it comes to Mike Carmon, I know
what the Guardians gave them, but it's gonna be one
hell of a bill.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
How do you get such a faustian deal your own
damn self, that's what you're asking right now? Seven seven's
all over the place, bottom of seven, two on two out.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
Manager will make a pitching change, so we go to
the commercial break as you have to sweat it out
a little bit longer. But a pretty wild game, And yeah,
I mean the wild circumstances coming down to this final week.
We've got a dead heat in the al MVP betting
odds coming into tonight's game. We've got all these playoff juxtaposition.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
We've got Schoolbles supposed to be the guy, gonna be
the stopper, Gonna build a statue to him outside. It's
gonna be of him hiking a ball like he's well
juggling or something like that, or or a long schnapper
on one of those many blocked field goals from Sunday's
NFL Action. Either way, just a wild final week ahead
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for us here in Major League Baseball.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
Yeah, I mean the Tigers may never win again. I
mean really, that's that's kind of what this is. They
may never win again. Won their last game, I mean
for Bes, but forever they maybe done.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
Like the Guardian used the documentary they really need, Hey,
you go find who's the ambissary of the devil that.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
They can't that The Guardians came up and made that
twelve and a half games. Not only the Guardians making
this up, but now the Tigers can't win. I mean this,
this is go for the Gusto man, go for the
go for the Gusto Miracle mats of nineteen sixty nine
on steroids. I read, I read, I read a book
not too long ago? Was was it? The Invisible Life
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of Addie LaRue? What v Schwap really good? Right?
Speaker 4 (02:56):
You know?
Speaker 1 (02:57):
I read all the time because I'm I'm that guy.
And the book was about she meets a couple of
characters over the course of her life that made these
Faustian bargains with the devil, and they both made the
bargains for you know, some kind of great life. And
the first guy made it for eternity, right like, he
met the devil whoever it was, and he meant, yeah,
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I want this kind of life in this this for eternity,
and the devil granted it to him, whoever it was.
And then the other dock she meets how long did
you get? And he goes three years? Three years? How
do you only get three years? You gave him your
soul for eternal damnation and you're only getting three years
out of it. So like, go big if you're the Guardians, man,
go big, go big, get everything. Tiger's never win again.
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Schoobl is no longer, He's never gonna win again. Oh,
just keep going, man, go all the way. Well, but
that's just it. You really need to ask for the world.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
And then, as we know, you're gonna fall just short
of something, so chaos to come into playoffs.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
I guess this is what we're getting ready for here.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
If if history is to be believed, right, of all
these things, you get right to the precipice of greatness,
your world and global universal adoration, and then it all
goes asunder. So yeah, I mean, you can already write
this book. You just need the last chapter man.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
And again Mets and Cubs are tied seven seven p
crow armstrung up with two on and two out in
the seventh. Now I've all the thing is as nervous
as I am. I've already come to grips that the
metsage is gonna take this all the way down to
the last day, just to drag all of the really
all the really bad. How could they possibly blow this
wild card lead in the most painful fashion possible, And
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it's gonna take it down to the final day of
the regular season. It's gonna take it down to Sunday
against the Marlins, who were terrible, but get somehow they
played the Mets every game. They have one hundred wins.
So like like it's gonna all go come all the
way down. I would say, hey, if you're gonna blow it,
do it the next couple of days, right, Please do
it the next couple of day. Doesn't don't make me
go through all this anguish and take years off my
life with worrying about stuff the next few days only
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to gack it away on a Sunday. Do it early.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
If you're gonna do it, well, didn't do it there
as crow Armstrong goes down on strikes to end the threat.
In the seventh, we'll go to the eighth tide seven
to seven.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
Once at once a met, right, once a met. When
you're a met, you're always yeah, well you talk about
a tail of two halves, man.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
One of the more curious things ever. Right, normally bad
ball swinging guys they have their come up and so
it just doesn't happen for a full half of the season.
But the law of averages are what they are for
Pete crow Armstrong. The highlight of this game was John
mulaney Sittingnacious College Prep Chicago Alum.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
Yeah it was not. I really would rather him if
he could have re enacted his speech from the Christmas
Bear from the Bear like that would have been better
than the is he still he's still holding the fork?
Uh huh okay, thank you, yes we are so again
before updated on this game seven to seven Mets Cubs
right National Game TBS. This is it going to the
top of the eighth inning. Meanwhile, hey, big news in
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the NFL. I mean you knew it if you listen
to us well over a month ago. It is now official.
The Giants are benching Russell Wilson. Jackson Dart will start instead.
And oh, by the way, hey, no soft landing. You're
gonna go up against one of the top three defenses
of the NFL. You're gonna get the red hot La Chargers.
Good luck, Jackson Dart. Look, this is something we told
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you a month ago. When Dart had the big game
in the preseason against the Jets, you could just tell
this is the way the world is going with the Giants, right,
It's all Jackson Dart and no momentum of any kind
for Russell Wilson. Once they traded for Dart, and Dart
came in and showed that over the course of his
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mini camps and in the summer that the moment wasn't
too big for him. And Dart was really good along
the way, checked every box. He never really struggled. He
threw the ball really well. You knew it was just
a matter of time. I mean, I knew the middle
last month because I know New York and I know that,
and watching Chris collins Worth on Sunday night, going, yeah,
you kind of want to start Dart, but you want
to give him a soft landing. Maybe middle of the season.
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I'm like, dude, do I need to be in that
booth instead of you? Because I'd have said, yeah, you
know what, like I've been telling you since the middle
of August, this change is going to be happening by
October first. Turns out my bull prediction, I had a week.
I had a week to sit back and go, yeah,
I got a week for this thing because it's happening now,
instead of I mean it was, this was just the
way things were with the Giants. They Russell Wilson had
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no cachet and once she's once it was the Wilson
Dart tandem. Over the summer, you knew it was going
to be Jackson Dart, right, Brian Dable and Joe Shane
want to save their jobs. We've talked about this everything
you heard today. Look, that's why we say ahead of
the curve, because we've told you this a month ago.
They want to save their jobs. They want to be
the ones to say, hey, wait a minute, we're the
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ones that can coach the hell out of this guy.
We're the ones that take you the next you know,
out of the Daniel Jones era and out of whatever
era this is, into the Jackson Dart. Hey, we you
know we can do that. So you knew this was
just a matter of time right now to take this
in a in a you know, to go forward on this,
Mike carmixs you know, like say ahead of the curve, right,
that's it. Yeah. So now, Russell Wilson, what did we
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say when this was gonna happen. Wilson is not gonna
spend the rest of the season and potentially his last
in the NFL sitting on the sidelines holding a clipboard
or more than likely with the big Parka on in
this in the winter months where he's just holding him said,
he's got his helmet on and he's just sitting there
with the big parka, you know, with his arms around
he wrapped around each other, just watching the game happen.
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Not gonna happen, right, Not gonna happen. So by the
time the trade deadline gets here, Russell Wilson's gonna be
on a new team. That's another reason why they made
this move now. So they can see that as long
as as as Jackson Dart is good, they will make
the move in trade. Russell Wilson, He's not gonna finish
this year backing up sitting on the bench. That's not
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who he is, right, that's not dangerous. He's gonna say,
get me somewhere where I can jump in and maybe
help a team that needs a quarterback, because everybody needs quarterbacks,
whether it's injury or ineffect us. We've already had four
or five quarterback changes the first three weeks of the
season because of injury. So that's going to happen. And
it also makes sense now if you believe that, and
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you say, okay, wait a minute, this makes sense as
to how Jameis Winston is still on that team because
when you trade Russell Wilson, okay, you're looking for a
backup of some kind that can come in just in
case he has to. If Jackson Dart shows, hey, wait
a minute, I need some more time, you sit him
down for a bit, put him in bubble wrap. The
rams at that with Jared Goff beginning of his career.
(09:36):
So it makes sense. This is why Jameis Winston is
still there because then he would be that break glass
in case emergency quarterback that takes over. So yeah, so
Jackson Dart he's gonna start, But I'm telling you Wilson's
gone by the deadline. And you realize this is why
Jameis Winston is still on the team. I'm not gonna lie.
I really hope that teams come looking for Jamis instead,
but just because I think it's better theater. Yeah, we
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don't want that guy. No, no, no, we want the other
guy in the room. He's funnier. Uh and uh, you
know he'll wing it around, just like Russwell. I mean,
whether it's Cincinnati or one of these other teams that's
already faced a huge loss. Yeah, I mean there's certainly
a marketplace, right we see that the running back position,
right we when we're we're talking about guys that are
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that are back off injury and haven't been used yet.
Speaker 4 (10:23):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (10:24):
You know the old phrase that I've used from my
mom's forever, the old save it for good. It seems
like we've got a little bit of that, uh going
on with some of the guys being stashed and coming back.
But but in this it was inevitable. Just again, thought
thought it was gonna be New Orleans. But it's not
like that's really that's the only good game on the schedule.
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Otherwise they've got another five or six in a row
thereafter that are just miserable potential points for for Jackson Dart,
but you got to see what he's got. You got
to test the metal. Uh, and you certainly needed a
different change in the room to try to get Molik
neighbors more consistently involved in more opportunities. We'll see more
of Scatabo, of course with Tracy's injury, and probably more
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Devin Singletary because he's a good blocker and receiver in
the backfield, so we'll see that a little bit. But
for for Shane and Dabile, Yeah, yeah, you had to
pull the pin. You got to see what you have,
try to convince the bosses that you get to keep
your job. And yeah, eventually Russell Russell Wilson will be
somewhere else. There's there's no question about it.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
And you start to wonder if that's been the plan
the last couple of months. Where Okay, we're getting into
the summer. We have these three quarterbacks, right, We're not
sure what we have, right. We signed Russell Wilson, we
signed Jameis Winston. We have to wait till the draft.
They get Jackson Dart. Okay, we have these three guys,
and I'm sure the thought was Okay, what do we
do here? Do we let Jamis go? Do we trade him?
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What we know? What do we do Jackson? Dart's coming
along well. And I'm wondering if if once the summer
hit and the Giants realize that, hey, Dart's gonna be
in here sooner rather than later, right, we don't have
to sit here and wait for him to be ready
like he's gonna be ready the first month. Right again,
we told you, and I wonder if that's been the plan.
And they've actually talked to Russell Wilson about this, saying, Hey,
if this happens, we're gonna keep all three of these guys.
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We're gonna keep all three of you. We will move
you at the deadline to a team. We will move
you at the deadline. And that's been the plan that
we've had since Dart showed that it's gonna be sooner
rather than later. And I'm sure all three of these
guys been on the same pages. Look, you haven't heard anything.
Jameis Winston hasn't been mad about stuff. Jameis wins Why
am I here as a third guy? You haven't heard
that you it was one of those three amigos also right, Yeah,
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nothing from Russell Wilson about all this time. It's my job.
It's X, Y and Z. Everybody seems to be on
the same page. And it makes sense that if once
the middle of this, once the beginning of the summer hit,
and there were three quarterbacks, this is why we're keeping
all three, right, because that makes too much sense for
this to not have been the plan going on the
better part of five or six weeks.
Speaker 3 (12:57):
Now, Well, yeah, I have two guys in the room
and have just vastly they've experienced everything, right, Russ had
all the great success, the Super Bowl, the near miss,
all of that, uh, some big numbers, and he's obviously
learned a lot. For Jamis, you've had the struggles, the
interceptions that you name it, and bouncing around to where
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Jackson Dark can glean so much information from both of
these guys. They've started and played so many snaps. To
have them around the room as long as they have
can only be to his benefit. And now you get
the opportunity. I guess they're helped in some way that
you don't have a fully deployed Chargers defense with Khalil
mack out. But still it's it'll be a very interesting
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game to watch and see how they run that offense.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
This weekend exit out about a Fresca exit swallowing dump said,
we told top of a month ago. Now we'll push
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we have big baseball breaking news. Steve de Saga ready
for this. But for big should I just do it?
I think I should just do it. I just do
the breaking news. Francisco Alvarez a two run jack in
the top of the eighth, Mets lead the Cubs nine
to seven, bringing the bringing him back in?
Speaker 3 (14:34):
How many times did he that he was done with
them for the year?
Speaker 1 (14:38):
They suckt the God? All right? At least that was good.
You could be Sophia Copla. How about that you be
the worst actor in the entire movie. You'd be Sophia Cope.
Speaker 5 (14:50):
I have no relatives in this game. I can't get in.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
Steve, you have stats of the exit velocity on the
Alvarez home run? Do you have any what? What do
you have?
Speaker 5 (14:58):
It did travel for one hundred and three feet at
Wrigley Field. Wow, but really that's pretty good. It's a
wriggly Field game. And it's not over. Yes, now, Mets
were down with David Peterson on the mound five to
one in the second. They got a five run fifth
even at six six. It's now nine seven Mets in
the top of the eighth. Not over. We had people
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off the air discussing these playoff possible matchups. Nobody wanted
to play three games at Wrigley Field next week.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
Just for the record, I don't ever want to play
three games at Wrigley Field. I don't I don't care.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
I don't care when it is, ye, especially with what
they've done to that neighborhood.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
Trust for those who anymore, Oh, it's just terrible.
Speaker 5 (15:39):
The Wildcard series, the best of three they each begin
next Tuesday, but all the games are at the better
seeded team.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
Now you mentioned David Peterson. This is this is a
great stat from the great statistician Jason Smith. David Peterson's
last ten starts okay, Like, I can't believe the guy
is still throwing him out every fifth day. His last
ten starts since August first, forty seven innings pitched, fifty
six hits, forty one earn runs. Like, how was he
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still taking his turn every fifth day? Because he's a
Met I don't understand.
Speaker 5 (16:10):
I have nothing else.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
This guy was on the All Star team.
Speaker 5 (16:15):
Dave Roberts was getting the bullpen games going throughout each round.
It's gonna be three bullpen games next week for the Mets.
Speaker 3 (16:23):
Hey, because he hasn't gone to anybody and said, you
know what, my shoulder hurts, my back hurts, whatever, you'd
be okay, you're feeling all right?
Speaker 1 (16:30):
Yeah, I'm great. Give me the ball, you man, I'll
tell you all right, Well, thank you, Steve.
Speaker 5 (16:35):
By the way, Theres Padres have already home or twice
six nothing in the second inning against the Brewers.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
Is David Peterson pitching in that game too?
Speaker 5 (16:42):
Although, yeah, I think the Brewers would take him at
this point. They got games to kill for the rest
of the week.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
Oh sure, yeah, yeah, yeah, why not? Yes, Hey, Mike
Caldwell could come in and pitch a little bit Gara. Sure,
oh yeah, yeah, they.
Speaker 5 (16:54):
Got them all nineteen eighty two Brewers very good, Thank you, Steve.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
Oh, Pete Vukovich still you know? Hey? Sure? No, no, no?
Who hit? He hit you? Yeah? Aynyword? Isn't he a
convicted felon? I don't have it? Well? He ought to
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Cowboys coming up in a second, because boy, the war
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of words already going on between the Cowboys and Packers
ahead of Micah Parsons Bowl on Sunday. But we know
we had the conversation a couple minutes ago about how look,
the one team that should go after a quarterback are
the Browns. Forget about this Sanders and Gabriel and all
this crap happening right now. They're great, lights out defense.
If they had any production whatsoever at quarterback, they would
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be two and one. And it's a watered down It's
a bad AFC North right. The Ravens defense is terrible,
The Bengals have no Joe Burrow for most of the
rest of the season, and Pittsburgh is just kind of okay, right,
be bold, go get a quarterback. Now. You threw out
there Russell Wilson a few minutes ago, and I said, no,
they need to go get a quarterback. Okay, just understanding,
I need to get.
Speaker 3 (19:58):
A something there because because look, and now the battle
for Ohio also extends to we need a new quarterback.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
Yeah. Now, the two guys that I'll give you two
names that they can now, there's no there's no sure
fire antswer out there, and teams aren't just gonna trade
their backup quarterback just because right like the Rams aren't
gonna trade Jimmy Garoppolo because he's not starting right the
Red Hey, no, we have hopes and dreams and if
something happens to Stafford, we feel pretty good with Jimmy
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Garoppolo coming in, right, So it's got to be the
right kind of situation where the team can part with
a quarterback that has some talent. Right now, you're taking
a bit of a risk, but this is a risk
just for this year. You can start over again after
this year if you don't like it. The two quarterbacks
you can go after right that I know we'll get
that are gonna be available that you can get a
lot for the first ones in the AFC, and it's
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Anthony Richardson because you know, with Daniel Jones's start, they're
ready to hand that. You have it now, Daniel, you're
the Sam Darnold of twenty twenty five. Man, We love you,
and the further we could get removed from Anthony Richardson,
the better we are.
Speaker 7 (21:05):
Now.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
Yes, you worry about Daniel Jones getting hurt Richardson coming in,
but you know Richardson's a sunk cost at this point, right,
I mean you know you're not going forward with him.
He's not gonna suddenly win the job next year. You
see how well Jones is playing his first three games,
but Richardson has flashed before. If he can stay healthy
and a change of scenery with a really good offensive
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coach and Kevin Stefanski. Yeah, Anthony Richardson's a guy that
isla Hey bring him in and see you could say that,
well it's a rit yeah, but I know it's a risk.
It has upside because I've seen him have games where boy,
for three quarters Anthony Richard's been terrible and then in
a seven minute spans it's two touchdowns in a field
goal and all of a sudden it's seventeen seventeen, Like,
that's a risk that you could take. And the Colts,
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I'm sure will want to move on and say, okay,
we're in on Daniel Jones, that the Anthony Richard era
is over and we're going forward. I'm sure he would
be available. Yeah, I mean, what's the risk? I mean,
it ain't gonna cost you much to bring him in,
all right? For the Colts, when as soon as they
paid Daniel Jones the money they did uh to bring
him in, you knew it was a done deal. And
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now you're at a point where he's he's your break
glass in case of emergency. You didn't want him, all right,
That's why you went into the marketplace to bring in another.
Speaker 3 (22:17):
Distressed property that you saw could be a positive in
your offense in Daniel Jones. So yeah, you you shuffle
him off. But I don't think the asking price is
gonna be too high. How many other quarterbacks are really
out there that are viable started? I mean, I I
don't know that I necessarily want him to bring him in.
Is he better than what I'm putting out there? Is
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he gonna be better than Joe Flacco? I mean, I
guess he could make a player too with his legs,
but then he's gonna be tired, he's gonna go off
the field. Yeah, but there also he also is a
guy that needs a change of scenery nods to be
able to get someplace else. And if you're going, you
know that that's a guy who was eminently available, because
you know, the the colts have have itchy, itchy fingers
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to say, hey, we want to make a move. We
really don't want this to sit here anymore. And Richardson
has flash. I've seen him do it, and again maybe
he's learned a lot. Like look, this whole summer, the
competition was really close. No matter who I read about
or talked to. Hey, no, this is a close competition.
Richardson has look good. They just feel better with Daniel
Jones because of the way the offense is.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
He gets now. But but beat writers would have come
out and said, hey, Richardson looks terrible. Richardson, don't listen
to that, like all the beat writers. The guy's covering practices. Also,
this is a really close competition, And you could say
it was kind of rigged as a competition because clearly, yeah,
unless Richardson is terrific. We're gonna give the job to
Jones because we've seen him succeed in this kind of
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offense before, so let's do it. But like now, it's
the point, Okay, as talented as Richardson is, yeah, it's
just not working here. And he's got no future in Indianapolis.
He may have one in Cleveland, and I mean, look,
it may not work, but I know it's better than
what they got. Would Flacco out there right now, and
like you said, at least the very least, he'll make
plays with his legs and he'll be a little bit
more dynamic than Flaka was at this point.
Speaker 3 (24:02):
Maybe he gives you a little opportunity to uncork some
stuff downfield. When you look at Tilm and you look
at Jerry Judy and some of the wide receivers you've got, uh,
you've got a couple of pretty good tight ends there
to utilize as well. So look, clearly you've got a
lot of problems. You're offensively, Uh how should we be
kind deficient at this point? And now you've got Judkins
(24:27):
gave you a little bit of juice in the backfield.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
We'll see what he can do going forward. But yeah,
trying trying to goose this in the trademark, and I'm
curious who else, who else are you on earthing uh
from a roster. The other guy I'm telling you here
is caleber No. The other guy I'm telling you here
available that has flashed a little bit, is a little dynamic,
makes plays with his legs, and you know they want
(24:51):
to move on to the guy they drafted this year.
Go get Spencer Rattler from the Saints. Right, at some
point they got to play Tyler Shuck, right, they have
to he and he played a little bit this past week.
Rattler has done enough. He's moved the team enough, he
has shown that hey he's not completely overwhelmed, and yes,
he can make plays with his legs. He's had a
couple of big games. Is he great?
Speaker 2 (25:11):
No?
Speaker 1 (25:11):
But I know he can give you that little bit
of juice and be again that I keep saying dynamic,
because that's what the Browns offense needs. He's someone that's
available simply because you know, after this year, the Saints
are gonna go after another quarterback. They're in a stuck
place right now with Derek Carr's contract and what they
want to wind up doing and you know at some point, well,
we drafted Tyler Schuck in the second round, he's got
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to get a chance. It's we're oh to three, that's
coming sooner rather than later. So yeah, if we started
Tyler Schuck, we're gonna go back to Spencer Ratllley. Now
we can get something for Spencer Ratler. So okay, we
go and worse comes to worst, we tank and we're
drafting arch Manning at the end of this year and
lets the Jets get him first, right, So stay and
beat the Giants first, since.
Speaker 3 (25:51):
That was the game everybody had circled the whole time,
going we're gonna beat that ass when well, we played
that game. They've been mocking us, and everybody's been pointing
to that game.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
For two months. So yeah, you're looking at you look
at those two guys that are young, that have talent
that again can get outside the pocket. They're two players
that yeah, those are you, and it's it's not gonna
be very expensive to go get them each team. Would
you almost be doing them a favor doing this because
you know they're gonna make the move anyway, Go make
it now, Go make it down In two weeks, you
(26:23):
got rattler. Richardson's starting for you and suddenly, hey, and
if they don't work out, okay, then you can go
to Dylan Gabriel. Then you can go to Shador Sanders.
Like these are guys that have done it on the
field in the NFL at a young age. Go do
something that helps your team out. Right now, you give
them a give them a little bit of Hey, we
got your back here. We're not just gonna let you defense.
We're not gonna let you just go out there every
week and give up fourteen points and we lose fourteen thirteen.
(26:45):
We're not gonna do that to you. Like, really, you
can contend this year because the AFC North is bad.
I mean, really, have you've shown enough in the first
three weeks how good this defense is. Keep it going, man,
People do something, do something to help help out, Help
out a fan base that's been starved for all sorts
of good news for the past well, I don't know,
twenty five years. Go help out that fan base.
Speaker 3 (27:07):
What just so they have a new story on the
back of the fish wrap. I don't know, I don't know.
They're a little bit of help. Yeah, I don't know
that Richardson suddenly be hey, let's have a rally in
the town square.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
Over their arrivals. It's different. It's different, and I know
if I hear something, even if it's wrong, If I know, okay,
if I know what I have in my right hand
isn't working. Right. If I have a video game control
in my right hand that I know is broken, it's broken,
I can't use it. What about the video game control
on your left hand? I have no idea. I have
no idea. Someone just put it in my hand. It
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could be broken. It could be broken worse than this one,
but it could be working great. I don't know, But
I know the one in my right hand is broken,
So why wouldn't I try to use the one in
the left hand?
Speaker 3 (27:48):
I give you, I give you credit. You Cot, You
just said I could have this or what's in the box.
So you got a little more creative with the video game.
I noticed that you didn't go to the high price
end where it might be a lot more implicated to
make something happen. But a guy whose team suddenly needs him,
and that's old Captain Kirk.
Speaker 8 (28:07):
You know, if if I didn't hear all those stories
the last few days about how dude, Now we think
Kirk Cousins is done, and really the league is telling
you they think he has done because there's been no talk.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
There's not been one team that has called. Because normally
by now we would get that, Hey, sources, Vikings called
for kirk Cousins in the preseason or Raiders call about
kirk Cousins in the offseason. There's been no teams. There's
been no talk at all. No, Hey, we're gonna want
to look into this. What can we do money wise?
Would you eat money for Kirk Cousins, And clearly the
(28:38):
Falcons would do it, right, Hey, we decided to go
on all in on Michael Pennix. So the fact that
we haven't I haven't heard anything from any team at
any point in the last I don't know, six months
on Kirk Cousins tells me the entire league thinks he's done.
Speaker 3 (28:51):
I think some of it was you needed proof of
concept of where he was physically in the process, but
it's also the curiosity of where they're at. Given the
first couple of games we've watched from Michael Pennix Junior.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
Oh yeah, he uh, he's not he's not.
Speaker 3 (29:06):
Uh, he's not he's not good, right, especially the expectations
of this squad. Yeah, good right, that it was gonna
they were gonna go and they were gonna win the
South running away and I said, I said, not so fast, uh.
Speaker 1 (29:19):
Thinking that you still gotta run through the through the Buccaneers.
Speaker 3 (29:23):
But here you have it that Pennix had one solid
game and then it's been a bit ugly.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (29:29):
And when you get shut out, what do we get
less than ten of those a year anymore? Right, you
get shut out by the Panthers, it's pretty pretty bad
indictment of where your squad is right now. Just despite
all the headliners on the marquee.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
I mean, I saw, these are two guys you can
go get. I like it, I mean be but you know,
help right, like go to and you don't put anything
at risk. That's the best part is that? What about Getua?
Oh man? Yeah, well you might have to wait another
couple of weeks. If the if the Dolphins lose to
the Jets on Monday night, I know, we decided we're
not gonna mention that game because we want people to
(30:04):
watch Monday night football. Yeah, there's two games on two
games on Monday. Don't worry about off day from Major
League Baseball. Yeah, we'll just make stuff up. Yeah, I know,
we'll make stuff up. I will make it up. But
if they lose to the Jets, I wonder how available
I got. But then you're worried about getting into the
money for TUA. It needs to be something where the
Browns can say our long term plans, meaning after this year,
(30:28):
are unaffected. But we can still kind of go for
it this year because maybe arch Manning isn't great, right,
we've seen it. Maybe he's not the guy we should
thank for. Maybe Leonora Sellers is really good, maybe he's not.
Maybe Garrett nus Meyer's great, maybe he's not. But it
doesn't matter. We can try to go for it this year,
and if it doesn't work, okay, that's good. We're we're
still starting over next year where the new quarterback is
(30:49):
something else. If it does work, great, we may have
our quarterback. We may Spencer Rattler Anthony may wind up
being quarterbacks here. Why not? How about that? You never
time they.
Speaker 3 (30:59):
Were both the the flavor of the day, right, Yeah,
Anthony Richardson had that month.
Speaker 9 (31:04):
Yeah, you a little sculpture of a statue for him, Yeah, boy,
I should have really traded him in Dynasty right after
that one that Spencer and Spencer Rattler was kind of
a big deal once upon a long time and in
the collegiate game.
Speaker 1 (31:19):
So I'm in and he's looked all right, I mean
through three weeks, yeah, you know, I didn't somebody outside
the division. So we'll see what happens there and really
quick because because I remember this and I have to
sometimes sit back and go, don't agonize too much over
over fantasy. But I vividly remember because I had the
second pick of the draft and fantasy and I knew,
(31:42):
I knew it's whatever. I knew somebody was going to
pick number one. I'm going, oh, man, do I take
Bryce Young or Anthony Richardson? Like what do I do?
Like what do I do at number two?
Speaker 4 (31:52):
Like?
Speaker 1 (31:52):
Do I take Bryce Young or Anthony Richardson? Wow?
Speaker 5 (31:54):
What?
Speaker 1 (31:55):
I And I agonized over it for like a week
once I knew that the guy picking wasn't gonna pick
either those quarterbacks, and I like remember going, like my
whole week was like what do I do? Who do
I take? Who do I take? And now it's like
it doesn't matter, it doesn't matter because they both stink,
so it makes no difference. Funny how that worked out,
isn't it? What are you gonna do? Yeah? But what
(32:16):
can you do? Exit out about a Fresca exit swollen
down the Jason Smith Show with my best friend Mike Harmon.
So yeah, go out, be bold, go get it, go
do it, go do it. It'll be awesome. We got
the Cowboys story coming up later on this hour, because
Jerry Jones already is talking about how excited he is
that Micah Parsons and the Packers are on the schedule
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this week for the Dallas Cowboys. But coming up next,
John Paul Morosi stops by. We have had an incredible
night in Major League Baseball? Have the Guardians made a
deal with the Devil? Will the Tigers ever win again?
Who's getting that final wildcard? The National League and Robot
Umps are here. It's official, It's coming next season. All
(32:57):
that more coming up next Jason and Mike keep it
right here at This is Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (33:01):
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John Paul Morosi is on Twitter at John Morosi. I
understand the legacy and how the Detroit Tigers are woven
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into his family history. The Cleveland Guardians, who once trailed
this division by fifteen and a half games, now lead
the Ale Central over the Tigers. It will be the
largest deficit overcome to win a division in the history
of baseball. This has been tweeted out by John Paul Morosi,
(34:22):
so it's only fair, John Paul, I welcome you in
and ask how is your family doing? Specifically, how is
your dad doing? I can't believe he's doing well right now.
Speaker 7 (34:31):
They only watched this week the Lions on Monday Night.
I'm gonna turn off the TV for a few days.
Dog Lions win Primetime Football, Talk of the Nation. Exciting
times there for coach Dan Campbell, healthy. Aiden Hutchinson did
(34:53):
a great job on Lamar Jackson Monday night. That's the
only game my dad's watched this week. I think, no
base No, it's uh. This is uh as as I had.
As I was typing out that that post, I said,
my goodness, this, uh, this sounds pretty real for my
for my home state, and it is listen, uh everything
(35:16):
about this game, that the bizarre sixth inning, the bund
that went awry, and then obviously the concern over David
Fry's health and that that play in that situation, the balk.
It just it was a surreal series of events. And
and now the Tigers can no longer casually explain away
(35:39):
what's happened. This is a this is a collapse of
biblical proportions that is now unfolding. And if they can't
write the ship here quickly. One of the big concerns
now for Detroit is, of course they they lose the
tiebreaker to the Guardian. So so it's not only that
they need to to keep even with the Guardians, they
(36:02):
have to actually go past them again, and it's just
not easy to do that. The Guardians are hot, playing well,
and then when the Tigers are done playing Cleveland, they
got to go to Fenway. And then the Red Sox
just won a game tonight against a really tough team
in Toronto. And oh, by the way, tomorrow night, the
Red Sox have Garrett crochean the mound against the Blue Jays.
(36:23):
So you start looking around and asking yourself, where are
the wins going to come from? Where are they going
to get some wins? And they may just have to
hope that the Astros stumble down the stretch. Obviously, the
lost three games playing against the Aids tonight now, but
the mathematics no longer favored the Tigers. They are in
(36:44):
a world of hurt. And oh, by the way, their
starter on Thursday, his name is td D TVD is
who they've got starting Thursday's game with everything on the line.
Speaker 1 (36:55):
JPA was interesting you use the term of biblical proportions
because we're wondering if there are any Billy go Texas
trips to the crossroads that have helped to spur this on.
Speaker 7 (37:06):
Well, I'll tell you what we as michigan ors, may
need to learn and see exactly what has transpired if
there is another curse here in our state. We've got
the curse of Bobby Lane. The Red Wings, of course,
ended their long drought back in nineteen ninety seven, but
you do start to wonder. Back in six there was
(37:26):
the bizarre pitchers having a hard time throwing the bases,
a few different things going on in that era. They
missed the playoffs, the big collapse in two thousand and nine,
But I have not seen anything quite like this. I
guess I'll say this, it's the curse of not re
signing Justin Verlander. He was available last winter. He's gone
on to have a very solid season with the Giants. Instead,
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the Tigers, for the same amount of money, signed a
pitcher and Alex Cobb, who did not throw a single
pitch for them this season. Zero did not throw a pitch.
One year contract for more than ten million dollars and
didn't pitch, And they could have signed Verlander for the
same amount of money. For some reason, they didn't, And
(38:10):
now they are sadly for the Tigers dealing with those consequences.
Speaker 1 (38:14):
See, I think it's a little bit. It's just to
widen the net here, John Paul is that I think
this is what's going on, and I think you're at
the crux of it. Because every year you picked the
Mariners to win the division. That's right, you picked. This
has been what eight years in a row you have
picked the Seattle Mariners to win the AL West. Now
it's going to happen. So the baseball God is saying,
I'm sorry, there's got to be a yin and yang here.
(38:35):
So I'm giving you the Tigers absolute epic collapse. I'll
give you the Mariners who are going to win that
division finally, but you have to take the Tigers epic collapse.
Speaker 7 (38:44):
Right and again. The Mariners get a chance to try
to complete this by defeating the Kylada Rockies this week,
which I like their chances to win this series they're
playing right now. But you're right, after all these years
of now picking the Mariners. And let's make this point too.
You look at the American League East and guess what
(39:05):
team is now just one game back of the division lead.
The New York Yankees, And there were certain teams that
we thought if you looked back two weeks ago, or
even a couple a few days ago, you said, well,
the two buys in the American League could very easily
belong to the Tigers and the Blue Jays. Well, the
Jays are now in the fight for their lives to
(39:26):
try to stay in the top spot of the American
League East, with only a one game lead. Now the
Tigers are barely even in the playoff picture. Right now,
if the Astros win tonight, the Tigers are officially out
of a spot at least for the time being. So
a lot of things at play, and all the things
that you thought were going to happen, like the Tigers
(39:48):
having the best record in the American League, they may
not even make the playoffs. And now the Seattle Mariners, who,
by the way, and I'll make this distinction, the Tigers
had a very passive, underwhelming deadline. The Mariners were very aggressive,
and and I think sometimes when you are aggressive, it
sends the right message to your clubhouse. The Tigers, they didn't,
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and I think that as a result, the Tigers have
lacked a little swagger here lately. Whereas you look at
the Mariners and then people like a Hanio Suadez and
Josh Taylor who came over at the deadline. I think
those those two players have helped drive a culture that
might finally prove me right and win the American League West.
Speaker 3 (40:29):
JP and my friend Jason Smith over here has had
a nice roller coaster season with his beloved New York Mets.
Speaker 1 (40:35):
They get it's not been nice. It's not been nice.
Don't tell me it's been a nice seat. It's not
been nice. It's not nice nice to use a very.
Speaker 3 (40:43):
Positive sounding word, even although we know better, incredibly can
anybody that's watched this, But but you've dived off of
their wagon repeatedly. H Is he going to get to
the finish line with this squad? Or are they going
to be left on the outside looking into where he's
eating hoggen dass and cry.
Speaker 7 (41:00):
They're in. They're going to be in the big comeback
win tonight at Wrigley. And Jason again, they tend to
play well during the weeks in which I'm going to
see them, and I will be there at Wrigley on Thursday,
so I will be there. It's our final MLB Network
showcase game of the week I get to stay here
in the Midwest, I'm going to go to Chicago, and
(41:23):
I'm looking at this team thinking that comeback they had
tonight says a lot about their intestinal fortitude, if you will.
And the other piece of the puzzle that I think
is so fascinating is that Juan Soto has had one
of his best seasons of his entire career this season,
and it's not getting nearly the national love that that
(41:47):
season deserves. He has been outstanding, especially lately, and so
I'm bullish on the metsage. And I get to see
Brandon spro pitch in person with the first time on Thursday.
So it's all falling into place. And and Jason, I
think that my father, the people in my great home state,
they're just hoping to borrow some of Jason Smith's optimism.
(42:09):
They just said they want to they want to borrow
your your perpetual look at the sunny side of life.
And I think that if you can share some of
that that zen like status, we would greatly appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (42:23):
Good, good, go much, guys. I'm gonna give you something
very calm. He you see Sternsy David Stearns, who runs
the Mets, your your former college roommate. Uh, just you
pass this along. I'm so happy. No more petersoner Maniah
the rest of this year. No, no more. I don't
want to see them on the mound again ever the
rest of the season. So you can bring him that message.
Speaker 5 (42:42):
I will.
Speaker 7 (42:42):
I will be happy to convey that to him.
Speaker 1 (42:44):
He's been wearing that sandwich born around town. JP.
Speaker 7 (42:48):
Here's my question for you, my esteemed friend and radio host.
I'm going to now turn the question back to you. Sure,
bring three game series wild card series for the Mets.
Who are your three starting pitchers?
Speaker 1 (43:01):
Oh, McLain, McClain, rain delay, snow delay McClain, McLain, No
McLain sprote and Tong. You're going yes, I'm going to
all the kids and if you need to piggyback, because
I think piggyback. You know, it's funny we talked with
this last week. You know, the bullpen games have been
really in vogue the last you know, five to seven
(43:22):
years and playoffs major League Baseball. I think piggybacking is
going to be the new bullpen games where teams, oh,
we can do this with our starting pitchers. The Mets
started to do it a little bit ago with some
of their with with a couple of their guys, and
it worked a little bit. So I can see a
situation where hey, I can see a piggybacking of say
Tong and Clay Holmes, and that's how they're gonna do it.
And I think more teams are gonna go, oh, we
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don't kill our bullpen. We can you know, we use
two starting pitch, which we can do. Hey, why not
do that? And that might work out better for us?
I think the I think the what teams like the
Mets are doing this is the beginning of a new,
a new trend in baseball.
Speaker 7 (43:55):
I love it, and I am sure. Let let a
Baseball record reflect you heard it here first on the
Jason Smith Show, that this is the new paradigm of
pitching in Major League Baseball in the postseason. Is the
piggyback instead of the bullpen game. I love the idea,
(44:16):
and let me tell you why I love the idea
the way that you're describing it. If you are putting
a young pitcher into a postseason cauldron, as the Toronto
Blue Jays may also do with Trey Savage, you might
as well have the young man keep the role that
he's had for his entire career. They're all starting pitchers.
(44:37):
It's asking a lot of Jonah Thong to come into
a seventh inning, men on base, complete chaos, you're on
the road, the crowds going berserk. Why do that? Let
him start, He's been a starter, that's what he's comfortable doing.
And then have someone like Clay Holmes, who has relieved
for most of his major league career, have play do that.
(44:59):
I think that you are now an adjunct professor on
the School of Baseball at City Field, and I shall
convey when I see my good friends Carlos Mendoza bench
coach John Gibbons, I'll convey your your plan, and I
think that I suspect they will look favorably upon it.
Speaker 1 (45:21):
You get one of those adjunct professorships, go in there
and speak wisdom.
Speaker 7 (45:26):
Adjunct Jason Smith. Let's get so, Mike, here's the thing.
Maybe for for Christmas, for him holidays, you know, get
him a gift that is Jason Smith, adjunct Professor the
School of Baseball.
Speaker 1 (45:42):
I think we sure start.
Speaker 3 (45:43):
Card well, it's probably I mean people would want a
degree in that. I mean they can print one from home.
Speaker 1 (45:49):
It'll work. Let me ask you one one thing before
we let you go.
Speaker 3 (45:53):
JP plenty of time to chew this over the off season,
but on Tuesday, the the Competition Committee voted to bring
in the robot OMPs. A lot to be sorted out
and details that we'll deal with over time here, But
what's your any immediate reaction to it.
Speaker 7 (46:12):
I think that it's good. It was inevitable that it
was going to happen, just based on the data that
had been coming in. The Commissioner talked about this at
length in recent months years. MLB has put a ton
of research and thought into the rule changes, and I
do think this will change the way that we watch
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the game in a more profound way than the pitch timer.
The pitch timer, to be honest, guys, I barely even
think about it anymore. I know that it's there, I
know the game is moving faster, but I often don't
think about it. I do think about the number of engagements.
I think about the bigger basis and how many stolen
(46:54):
bases we see now. That stuff I think about, But
the timer I don't. I think this is going to
be a little bit distinctive in that by definition, multiple
times per game, we're going to be reminded of this,
of the existence of this technology. And I think the
most fascinating thing, Mike will be internal and how teams
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say which players can challenge, how those players feel about it,
how you feel if if you get a chance to challenge,
or if a teammate gets privileged to challenge at any
time and you don't. It's like having a sibling who
has a different curfew than you do, and it's that
is a very complicated feeling that I think will internally
(47:41):
unfold in fascinating ways that have far reaching implications, so
that this is objectively one of the biggest changes we
have seen. Of all the changes that have occurred under
Rob Manford, I think this is one of the most
important and most most transformative, honestly for the game of baseball.
Speaker 3 (47:57):
Right.
Speaker 1 (47:58):
Lastly, John Paul, your moonlighting job as NFL Detroit Lions prognosticator.
They are favored by eight and a half points at
home this week against the Browns. What's the final score?
Speaker 7 (48:10):
Detroit twenty eight, Cleveland seventeen seventeen.
Speaker 1 (48:17):
Wow? You think twenty eight points in fairness?
Speaker 7 (48:22):
I was close on the margin of victory for the
Lions over the Ravens. I didn't have the total points correct,
but I was darn close on the on the margin,
so I might be honest with this year. Got the guys,
if the Mariners are going to win the division, this
is the year of the MOROSSI.
Speaker 1 (48:39):
A, yeah, but that means you might get cocky. JP.
You got to make sure you check yourself. That's how
people get the trouble.
Speaker 7 (48:45):
Within yourself in yourself.
Speaker 1 (48:48):
See John Paul Morose, the MLB Network, Mets and the Cubs.
Plenty of offense coming up rest of this week at
Wrigley with the wind blowing out. John Paul is always
buddy appreciated, enjoy the games. We'll talk to you next week.
Speaker 7 (48:59):
Looking forward to and thank you so much.
Speaker 1 (49:01):
See you, buddy. Right there goes John Paul Morosi. Great
stuff from him as always. He must really think the
Lions are gonna score a lot of points because normally
he says twenty four, but twenty eight now for the WHOA,
that's a big offensive thing.
Speaker 3 (49:12):
Well, I mean, look, he's banking on Joe Flack go
to give up seven maybe short fields.
Speaker 1 (49:18):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (49:18):
We'll see Aiden Hutchinson maybe with a little punch out
and strips, that kind of thing.
Speaker 1 (49:23):
I don't know, we'll see
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