Best of The Jason Smith Show with Mike Harmon

Mike Harmon and Arnie Spanier (in for Jason Smith) open this "best of" edition of the show discussing longtime Utah head coach Kyle Whittingham being hired as Michigan's next coach... Is he the right guy for the job? Pete Fiutak joins to weigh in with his own thoughts and help the guys look ahead to the next round of the College Football Playoff. Later, the guys react to the news that Maxx Crosby stormed out of the Raiders facility after being told he's being put on season-ending IR... Do they think he'll be on the team next year, or might we se a trade in the offseason? Jason Cole from The 33rd Team joins the show to weigh in with his own thoughts and help the guys look ahead to Sunday's slate of NFL games.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Grantings a welcome in another beautiful night here.

Speaker 2 (00:02):
Fox Sports Radio Jason Smith Show with Me, Mike Harman,
No Jason Tonight back after the new Year, and for
me I Cap twenty twenty five as well, alongside the
sticking genius Arnie Span you for another night as we
seek some shelter from the storm. We got a game
with football scoring going on Arnie scoring. We got forty

(00:25):
five points in the first half. That's combined is better
than everything we had yesterday.

Speaker 3 (00:31):
Let's stop pretending like we even care about that. And too.
How you doing the Happy day after Christmas? It's good
to hear from you again.

Speaker 1 (00:38):
Yeah, we did that yesterday. I don't need to kiss
your ass.

Speaker 3 (00:41):
It's four I was just gonna give you a compliment
saying you're really getting learning how to drive a show.

Speaker 4 (00:47):
Now.

Speaker 3 (00:47):
I thinking about another eight to ten years, you'll get
the hang of it, So congratulations.

Speaker 2 (00:51):
In eight to ten years, I hope to be sitting
on a porch or hanging out in a setup like
Hawkeye has got when he retreats from being an Avenger.

Speaker 4 (01:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:02):
I don't know if Linda Cardolini will be waiting there
for me, but we'll see you never can tell at
Stick and Genius one, what's en.

Speaker 3 (01:10):
That's over my head? Mike, there you go.

Speaker 2 (01:12):
Well, we gotta we gotta get you. You gotta have some
of the more current pop culture references.

Speaker 1 (01:16):
We need to update you a little bit.

Speaker 3 (01:18):
Yeah, do you want.

Speaker 1 (01:20):
To give you a bunch of six seven references while.

Speaker 3 (01:22):
We're at it? I know with that. Don't start with that, please,
that makes me sick of r.

Speaker 2 (01:27):
Well, No, that just made me feel like you've at
least paid attention to something outside of some bogus Twitter accounts.

Speaker 1 (01:33):
For the last couple of months.

Speaker 2 (01:35):
At Sticking Genius one where you find them find me
over at swollen O my beloved Northwestern Wildcats with a
big Bowl victory earlier today. U that's about all I'll say,
Preston Stone, three touchdowns, six straight Bowl wins for the Cats,
because look, if I'm gonna sit in the and drive,
as you so actually call it, I've got to make

(01:56):
the show about me for a ure, Like if it
was a Mets Jets or whatever.

Speaker 3 (02:01):
I thought we were gonna do four hours on the
on the game. That's why I was watching it so
intense so intently.

Speaker 1 (02:06):
Yeah, just take it all sorts of notes.

Speaker 3 (02:08):
I was, you know, I actually had it on, and
then once they dominated, I'm like, I'm not why it
was like twenty one nothing. At one point, I'm like
to get this crap off. I can't believe.

Speaker 1 (02:17):
I know what's funny though, it is like the first
quarter was terrible, right, it was punt punt. I don't
I don't.

Speaker 3 (02:24):
Believe that this is bringing in major ratings. I you
gonna have to show me.

Speaker 1 (02:28):
You don't think it matters.

Speaker 3 (02:29):
Do the math? Well, I guess they're making money off
of you. That matters.

Speaker 2 (02:32):
But that's it, right, It's a TV show. It's like
all that, all the rest of it, right, So I mean,
we can start with the bowl games. We'll get to
winning him here in a moment. Pete Futec College Football
News will join us in about twenty minutes from now.
Uh talk about this hiring and and all that's going
on in bowl season as we get ready for the
Elite eight UH next week.

Speaker 1 (02:51):
But you know, talking about the.

Speaker 2 (02:53):
Bowl games and you know a lot of hand ringing
and and maybe it's not even drawing huge TV audiences,
but in the end, it's live programming, which means a
higher ad rate.

Speaker 4 (03:03):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (03:04):
And folks that are going to stay with it, right,
you're not dipping even if the game starts getting out
of hand. As we've watched in many of these bowl games,
one decision here or there, you know, Northwestern not kicking
a field goal late. Uh, They've got implications for a
lot of folks holding tickets, Uh in states all over
this this.

Speaker 3 (03:23):
Well, just if you're talking, damn, Look, the game was
so like all the other bowl games too. They're so meaningless.
It really doesn't make a difference other than meaningless.

Speaker 2 (03:34):
Maybe to you, Well that to the Tell that to
the alums, Tell that to the administration. Tell that to
nobody's conference where the money flows back in off of
the share that they get from going to these.

Speaker 3 (03:46):
Nobody's spent go to that game. Nobody said I got
to go ahead and see, uh, Northwestern in a bowl
game take on Central Michigan. It's just it's not happy
and no offense against those schools. It's most of the
ball games are like that. Yeah, it's just not gonna
work that.

Speaker 2 (04:00):
But it's it's the change that is inevitable in terms
of condensing these It would seem based on the way
the playoffs have taken over and will continue to expand.
But in the end, if if you're still in the black,
even if it's a smaller number, don't you continue to
do it?

Speaker 3 (04:18):
No, because again, too many people. You see all the
people opting out. It's starting to get absolutely crazy. Coaches leaving.
I don't even know who's coaching who's not Cord.

Speaker 2 (04:28):
But you can't tell me anybody's going to a bowl
game or not going into a bowl game based on
a second string defensive end or a wide receiver opting
out of the game.

Speaker 3 (04:39):
Yeah, it's mostly they are stars that are opting out, though, Mike.
And it's just it's it's opting way too much. How
many teams didn't even want to go to a bowl
game this year? What four or five?

Speaker 1 (04:49):
You leave Notre Dame alone, they're still crying over in
the court.

Speaker 3 (04:52):
That's that's also Iowa State, Kansas State. I believe it's
just it's become too much and it cost them a
lot of money to send these teams along with the
you know, the cheerleaders and the band and all that stuff,
and it's just not worth it anymore. We've we've passed it. Look,
you've got to evolve and that's that's what we're doing.
That's why we have a playoff. Now, we'll go from

(05:15):
sixteen to twenty four, probably eventually end up with thirty
six sometime and stick with that. But we don't need
these ball games.

Speaker 2 (05:23):
Yeah, we get to thirty six, that would be a
rapid expansion, which might be I mean, I don't know
what the half life on all this stuff is or
gestation periods, but I predict I'll probably.

Speaker 1 (05:34):
Be dead and gone before that happens.

Speaker 2 (05:38):
According to the report, they had nearly twenty eight thousand
at Ford Field today.

Speaker 3 (05:43):
They must have counted everybody three times. Then what can I.

Speaker 2 (05:46):
Perhaps they did tickets sold versus those that attended versus
I mean there's a million.

Speaker 3 (05:50):
Family and friends only.

Speaker 2 (05:52):
Yeah, But it's all all of that to say is
it's still a TV show. It's still live programming for
three three hours. And if I financially it was absolutely
not worth it to all the parties involved, then it
goes away.

Speaker 3 (06:06):
But it's not going away like you said.

Speaker 1 (06:08):
It's like I said, someone's making money.

Speaker 2 (06:10):
Even if somebody's making money but playing it, they're bleeding
left and right. This is when we get into how
many sports owners or whatever.

Speaker 1 (06:18):
It's like, we didn't make any money. It's like, how
many are listeners.

Speaker 3 (06:21):
You think watch that game from start to finish? Saying
that weren't a Northwestern fan or a Central Michigan fan.
And I'll even give you the people that made a
bet on the game weren't watching that.

Speaker 2 (06:32):
Generally people that bet don't they might not look at
it at all.

Speaker 3 (06:36):
So I just don't think there was much interest. Nobody cares.
And again that's I think that's what ninety percent of
the ball games now that we have a playoff, that's
what people want to see. That's what people are talking about.
And we still are getting that.

Speaker 1 (06:49):
How people are getting on board that.

Speaker 3 (06:51):
Yeah, well people were complaining about James Madison and Tulane
and the way it was, you know, the from one
to sixteen, and we're still tweaking it. So we're still
working on that.

Speaker 2 (07:04):
Yeah, I mean, there's always going to be tweaks. You know,
it's a system that because you've got so many powers
fighting for control, right when you talk conference to conference,
commissioner to commissioner and go into that room and the
lobbying that goes on, because that's a whole other part
of the problem, right, the dirty little secret of well

(07:25):
we need X, you need X.

Speaker 1 (07:28):
Let's go through.

Speaker 2 (07:29):
And then certainly the ratings and the game results didn't
help the back end of last weekend's playoffs. Why because
it was opposite one ended up being a fantastic Bears
Packers game. And even if you didn't like the Philly
game earlier, it's still the NFL. NFL wins.

Speaker 3 (07:46):
You know, you say that people are still watching these
Bowl games. Only five million people watched like the James
Madison Oregon game, and that's a playoff game and.

Speaker 2 (07:56):
It's five million people on a Saturday night in the holiday.

Speaker 3 (08:00):
Yeah, well it went up against the NFL.

Speaker 1 (08:02):
And I love Lucy sixty years ago.

Speaker 3 (08:05):
You know, look at the you know what so funny
you laugh at that if you look at like a
Thursday night ratings, unlike the sitcoms, and that's for ABC, CBS, NBC.
I don't think Fox was around at the time. They're
they're just like they're monster.

Speaker 1 (08:22):
You understand, you're talking thirty ratings, thirty.

Speaker 3 (08:25):
S Yeah, thirty, I mean that that's mind blowing. And
we're talking about like ten shows that that those those
type of numbers.

Speaker 2 (08:36):
It was crazy, but yeah, but that's that's a long
time ago. That's a couple of generations removed.

Speaker 3 (08:41):
Yes, thank you, thank you.

Speaker 2 (08:42):
Sorry, buddy, I gotta call it what it is. Yeah,
Now you're so fractured. Add to the fact that you
have different I mean, look, the way that things get
measured will always uh, you know, raise an eyebrow and
try to figure out how much is noise? Right, just
like that twenty eight thousand US for the ford Field
Bowl game today. But when we get into the fractionalization

(09:06):
of all of these these shows and options that folks
have in terms of streaming and how you consume thing
and when when it counts? Right, if I watch it
a week after premieres, how does does it count differently
because I came in off what a mouth? Shouldn't they
get four ratings because I came to it a week later?
Because that meant it must have meant something, you know

(09:28):
what I mean? Things like that.

Speaker 1 (09:29):
So it's it's just that curiosity, Like we.

Speaker 2 (09:32):
Got beat futech coming up in a couple of minutes,
but a quick reaction as we get the conversation started tonight,
Winningham get headed to the University of Michigan. You go
back into the timeline. Sharon Moore was fired on December tenth.
Winningham resigned on December twelfth. There was a coach in

(09:52):
waiting that was put in place there at Utah in
twenty twenty four, Scalley. So he's been waiting for his opportunity,
and as we know from historical precedence, guys get a
little anxious when jobs keep coming open, and there the
incumbent is going to stay. The private equity terms were announced,

(10:14):
and then Winningham doesn't say he's retiring, It says he's
entering the transfer plortal got a bit cheeky by the
way transfer portal opens what the second second through the fifteenth,
So that comes up here in short order. But you
now have him heading to meet all the friends, family
players as Michigan gets ready for the Citrus Bowl against Texas.

(10:38):
Meanwhile the Las Vegas Bowl, you've got Utah getting set
to take on Nebraska. But Winningham is going to be
the grown up stabilize it. He's a non Michigan man.
So you go outside of what's been around the program
these last few years that is under investiat and I

(10:59):
think that's the right way to go. An initial response
of all right, here's you know, this coach who was
here for a while, mentor hey, he's with the Chargers.
But maybe he comes back saying no, no, no, anybody that
was in there at all, even if they were on
the fringes and periphery, and you can argue that they
knew nothing of any malfeasance. You got to excise it right.

(11:23):
This is a deep cleaning and of a new tenant
coming in.

Speaker 3 (11:28):
Okay, First of all, I think the hiring of Whittingham
absolutely tremendous, absolutely tremendous. Higher So they nailed it. They
got themselves a great coach. I heard Rob talking about
I he was sixty six years old. Sixty six is
to the new forty four. He's not too old. He'll be
just fine. And I think he's gonna do a tremendous job. Now,
maybe I didn't quite understand what was happening Mike, because

(11:50):
I thought when he retired or left Utah or whatever
you want to call it, that was to eventually take
the Michigan job. So and then as time went along,
I said, Okay, they're gonna offer it to the Bores
if Alabama loses, because Ala Obama's gonna want him to
go instead of you know, giving it to winning him.
But that was never the case. I at least I

(12:11):
don't think it was. So I'm wondering what took so long?
Did he really retire to take the job. But either way,
I think he's gonna be absolutely tremendous. He's on it
right away. I don't think it's gonna take him long
to solidify things. It may take him this first year.
We'll have some growing pains. I don't know. You're gonna
have to hit the portal real hard. I'm sure he'll

(12:31):
get some Utah players to come. I'm sure there'll be
people in the portal that would love to come to Michigan.
So I don't think it's gonna be a like a
bear and Wasteland or anything like that. But I think
it's a tremendous hire by Michigan, even though he's not
a Michigan guy.

Speaker 1 (12:46):
Yeah, I mean, you go down.

Speaker 2 (12:48):
I think that's the one of the pluses, right, go
win people over.

Speaker 1 (12:51):
How do you do that? You win? And that's what
he's done. Can work for.

Speaker 3 (12:54):
Twenty one years. He was winning at Utah well.

Speaker 2 (12:56):
But that's sin he's been there a minute like what's
great is I envisioned immediately urban Meyer sitting back like
he was Emperor Palpatine, because now you got winning him
on one side, Ryan Day on the other, two guys
that both coached under him, and now they get to fight,
and he could just stand there cackling like a madman as.

Speaker 1 (13:14):
They wow seed their life. Savers.

Speaker 2 (13:17):
See there's a reference, you know, because that goes all
the way back to nineteen eighty three. You probably saw
that one at some point. You're right, finally, you go,
I had to go back and bring it. You want
me to get a Maud reference in while.

Speaker 3 (13:28):
We're at Yeah, exactly, But you're actually brought up a
good point that urban Meyer's gonna sit back and enjoy
the Michigan Ohio state battles and the people that were
under him and his tree and all that effect. It
was a great hire. It's a win win every which way.
So I think Michigan fans are probably really happy. I
saw that Dave Portnoy was tweeting out that they just

(13:51):
absolutely nailed it. He's a big Michigan guy, and I
totally agree.

Speaker 1 (13:56):
Did he go there anyway?

Speaker 2 (13:59):
You had bra you had, as you mentioned debor like
there were not a number of rumors, and I think
some of it. I mean, look, it's still only two weeks,
two and a half weeks from.

Speaker 3 (14:09):
Did you believe that the board rumors or that was that?

Speaker 2 (14:11):
I thought. I thought it was interesting just for the
idea of how short sighted Alabama could be. Because but
the fact that you were still able to roll into
a playoff no pun intended roll tide uh, that you
were able to get into the playoffs to be short
sighted and get rid of a guy like that seems
silly to me because the old rule of thumb in

(14:34):
all of this is you may not like your coach,
but then go back and look out there and see
what's available exactly. And I think some of this with Whittingham,
he's doing the due diligence, right, He's trying to figure
out what the hell is going on?

Speaker 1 (14:47):
What can be you know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (14:50):
Some of it it becomes the what what's going to
be uncovered? That becomes an internal problem, right and solution
versus whatever vestiges of the nc A are still out
there that could be actionable by them, right, Because Sharon
Moore serves suspensions and all this, there was a bunch
of turmoil and in and out of the coaching box

(15:11):
for the last couple of years. Is that all done?
Is there something else to go through? As they uncover
more and peel back the onion more, would there be
something more to the end. I'm not saying that that's
one hundred percent locked, but I think he wanted some
guarantees of all right, we're gonna be able to get
hit the ground running, get into the portal, keep who
we want to keep, steal who we want to steal,

(15:33):
and keep this thing moving. Because as bad as it was,
it was a nine to three season, a softer schedule,
but they still won with inefficiencies at the quarterback position
and wherever else.

Speaker 3 (15:44):
Are you not an Underwood fan? Then I take that year.

Speaker 1 (15:46):
No, I'm saying there's room for growth.

Speaker 3 (15:48):
He's gone anyway, so they're gonna have to get them.
You're right, he's not officially gone. I thought when he
first had edited the portal that he was gonna go
to LSU. Was that a bad rumor of there are
one of my fogused web bitch.

Speaker 1 (16:02):
You might have been one of your bad Twitter right, it.

Speaker 3 (16:05):
Could have been over the place.

Speaker 2 (16:07):
That's tacking genius one we'll see if he falls down
a rabbit hole by the end of the night.

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(16:33):
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(18:16):
Go out to the hot line. Now man, the legend,
the myth joins us each and every week.

Speaker 1 (18:21):
On the hot line.

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petefew Tech.

Speaker 1 (18:27):
It is Pete few Tech. There's his entrance music, Merry Christmas?
Se you buddy, how are you?

Speaker 7 (18:33):
What's going on? So you've got an arready spaniard in
the building. Isn't he the Games Jason Smith Show?

Speaker 4 (18:38):
At this point?

Speaker 7 (18:39):
You know, Wow, you got the big man there.

Speaker 3 (18:42):
Hey, Pete, how you doing? My friend? It's good to
see to speak to you again. Hey, you know I
would have rask you right off the bat. This has
got to be a great hire for you. You must love
this thing because it starting to look like it was
going to be a tough hire. And now you kind
of get your guy, you know what I mean.

Speaker 7 (18:57):
I know I settled buying to this post narrative that
no one wanted this guy. This gig, it's it's a
it's Michigan, it's no name was off the charts here,
and it would have been tough to get some of
these guys, and you know, some of them just didn't
want to talk, mainly because they didn't want to interview
and then have it looked like, oh, well, you know

(19:19):
this big I'm rejecting you before you reject me kind
of thing.

Speaker 4 (19:23):
Uh.

Speaker 7 (19:23):
But yeah, Kyle winning him all along.

Speaker 4 (19:25):
I mean he.

Speaker 7 (19:26):
Retired from you know, Utah coaching. He didn't retire, He
just you know, decided I'm stepping away from the job.
And he still wanted to coach. He wanted to, you know,
is he put he I want to be in the
transfer portal. I want to you know, I want a
bigger gig than this, And he got one, and you know,
look for a program like Michigan that just needs a
little tweaking, uh, for the next three to five years. Yeah,

(19:46):
let's see what he could do. And this whole idea
also that oh, well he's not your young guy to
build on for the future, Well who is. I mean
most of these coaches only last three to five years anyway,
So let's see what he can do with just a
little tweak in here.

Speaker 1 (19:57):
Pete. That was one of the things we're talking about
a little bit.

Speaker 2 (20:00):
When you're talking about age, who cares everybody job hops.
Very few guys are like winning him where you're at
a place for twenty years. But the other part is
that he's not a Michigan guy. So it's a fresh
set of eyes and nobody that can be touched tangentially
or substantively by what's going on these last few years.

Speaker 7 (20:19):
Absolutely, So I mean, look, first of all, being a
Michigan guy, I means you know, a whole lot losing
in there before you know, yeah, actually started winning. So
uh yeah, you know who cares all the sausages. Maybe
got a national title under Harbaugh and all that, so yeah,
you got you want a fresh start. And you know,
outside of you know the basic you know, normal you know,
big college little stuff here and there. There hasn't been

(20:40):
a whiff of scandal at Utah. There's those issues there.
And I go on a bunch of radio stations in
Utah over the years, and I've always comped what he's
been doing to being like a big, big ten program,
like he made Utah essentially the new Wisconsin back when
Wisconsin was Wisconsin, where big guys on the line. You know,
it's grew up on penalties or turnover. As you win

(21:02):
the time possession battle, you run, run, run. You have
guys up front who are more powerful than everyone else,
play tough defense, and that's possible to do if you
have an ultra culture discipline team and the side that
they were able to get worked great. They made a
tweak to more of a pro style offense. Unfortunately had
a hard time finding the right quarterback with Cam Rising
always hurt. So now let's see what they do. I

(21:24):
can't imagine the price Underwood takes off. And if he
does find just go get another quarterback, because again you're Michigan,
you can pretty much get whatever you want there.

Speaker 3 (21:33):
Yeah, but Kim Rising does have another year left.

Speaker 7 (21:36):
I saw that.

Speaker 4 (21:36):
It's crazy.

Speaker 3 (21:38):
Is that that's let me ask you about Underwood. I
thought he was going to leave. What did you think
about him when when he signed a year ago? And
what do you think about him right now? It doesn't
sound like you're really would be broken up if he
ended up leaving.

Speaker 7 (21:51):
I'm not broke. I mean really, it's about just the
position and the program and you can get to quarterbacks
that there's so many quarterback out there in the system, right,
It's so crazy all these guys who are jumping into
the portal, like where do they think they're going to go?
Like there are only so many jobs that are open
and Okay, so maybe they're looking for extra money. Maybe

(22:13):
they're looking for the deal like Darius meant to got
last year jumping from Tulane to Duke and you know,
got paid a big ton of money and hey won
an ACC championship. He was really good for the Blue Devils.
Maybe that's what some of these guys are looking for.
But all these guys are in the portal. Okay, well,
let's see if they can fit certain places. And then
all of a sudden, what happens. Do you have a

(22:33):
Trinidad Chambliss or someone like that who comes from out
of nowhere and is one of the Heisman savorites, or
even Fernando Mendozo was a hot prospect but definitely not
quite this. So you never quite know. And so all
these big time guys who you have all the talent
in the world. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't.

Speaker 2 (22:52):
You know.

Speaker 7 (22:53):
Sometimes you have a guy like Dante Moore who wasn't
really that great at UCLA, came back set for a
year and all of a sudden, boom it works. But
I don't fail that to say that I don't think
Underwood would.

Speaker 2 (23:04):
Leave now Jason Smith Show with Me, Mike Harman, the
Venerable Arnie Span you're in for Jason Smith. Pete deferred
to him like you know all non Western cultures to
their elders. The way this thing started at College Football
News is where you find him at Pete futec Pete.
Let's go to the world of litigation, where you've got

(23:25):
Pavia looking to get.

Speaker 1 (23:27):
Himself an extra year.

Speaker 2 (23:29):
Going off to James Nausey move drafted in twenty twenty
three to the NBA Draft, traded, his rights are part
were conferred to the Knicks, and now he's gonna go
become a Baylor Bear. Why do you think this plays out?
And did his Heisman Shenanigans costume?

Speaker 7 (23:47):
I don't have the problem with that. The Heisman thing is,
you know, just immature. Okay, fine, but I kind of
you know, he basically did what every Heisman loser really thinks.
They just don't say it out loud. But that's of course,
you see to look at like Peyton Manning Space or
you know, some of these other guys who thought they
were going to win and didn't even though he wasn't

(24:08):
gonna win the Hide of this Year Pavio, So uh, yeah,
there's a little delusion there, But yeah, I'm getting these
are still you know, relatively young kids, you know, to
the most parts of probably who's like, what's forty two
at this point? I mean, it's uh good, go get
a job already, I guess, or just stay or just
stay in college as long as you can. What I

(24:28):
get it, You know, I would be not looking back.
I'd love to be back in college and live the life.
You know again, who.

Speaker 2 (24:35):
Would look for it to John Cougar Mellencamp, hold on
to sixteen as long as you can.

Speaker 7 (24:41):
Especially getting paid for it now, I mean, like it's
a great deal. I mean, you get paid more than
you get paid as an NFL rookie, So, uh, I
get it. So give it a shot, see what you
can do. But at some point this is getting kind
of ridiculous, Like I still think the most the craziest
part through all this is during this Bowl season, a

(25:02):
lot of teams had to opt out. Why because they
couldn't find their players because they scattered. And like when
this happened, every other college kid on the planet was
studying for finals. Like you're so these guys aren't like
studying for finals.

Speaker 4 (25:17):
You can't grab enough students.

Speaker 7 (25:18):
Who are you know, college students to play college football.

Speaker 4 (25:22):
I mean, so it's just.

Speaker 7 (25:24):
Like, come on, It's just it's just getting kind of
ridiculous at this point when you get guys who just
won't leave.

Speaker 3 (25:32):
Yeah, you know, pet of course, before I say, oh,
let's break down the playoffs in the Miami Ohio State
and Oregon, Texas Tech and stuff like that, if I
told you we're going to spend the next twenty minutes
breaking down FIU in Texas, San Antonio and then switch
over to the Central Michigan Northwestern game and then Minnesota
New Mexico, You're going to hang up the phone on me.

(25:53):
Enough is enough? Enough enough?

Speaker 1 (25:55):
We did money.

Speaker 7 (25:56):
I don't care if it's Indiana perfect by you over, Pete,
you know, day over.

Speaker 3 (26:05):
No, enough is enough. Nobody cares about the game. I
really don't believe that it has television numbers. Nobody's going
to the game. They tried to tell me that twenty
three thousand or the Northwestern game. I'm not buying it.
I just don't think we need it anymore, especially when
we started expanding the playoff. I mean, seriously, Pete, anybody
asking you to break down any of these or any

(26:26):
of these other Bowl games. I mean tomorrow we got
a whole slew of them. Not what makes a difference,
Not one care you care about Pete.

Speaker 7 (26:33):
Well here's the thing, yet, we kind of maybe care
about Clemson ten State if you're you know, a nationally,
But there's so many of them, and look, what else
are you gonna do? Talk to your family? I mean,
what else you got going on? I mean, especially if
you live in a place that's cold. I mean, you know,
there's nothing to do. You're you're gonna watch you know

(26:54):
another you know, the born identity, the marathon that keeps
happening on start. I mean, like, look, here's the thing.
First of all, the problem is these bowl games unlike
that other than the Hawaii Bowl and this the rate
Ball between New Mexico and Miss Minnesota, these bowl games
have been awful. So the big, the bigger problem is

(27:15):
that just you know, who's watching these things? Who's staying
watching these things? Because they're just so bad and there's
no real reason for it because last year they were
really good, Like every game was competitive, every game. I mean,
it's not like they're not trying or anything. But you
just have so many disjointed teams with so many coaches
who are gone so many players who are you know,
Missmasha players who are going So it's just fun. It's like,

(27:38):
you know, trying to handicap preseason games. But like I said,
who's watching these things? I can tell you a very
large segment of the public who's trying to pay off
their holiday gift giving.

Speaker 4 (27:51):
What's going on as we speak.

Speaker 2 (27:53):
Exactly, And Pete does spots all over the country, so
he's got to know everything about Central Michigan and teams
of that. All right, Pete, so really quickly as we
get to the playoffs, you still got some days to
chop this up. What stands out amongst the four games,
you know, in terms of where you're looking for an
upset and maybe a little bit of chaos.

Speaker 7 (28:12):
I'm Texas Tech. I'm really curious about it. It's gonna
be about the pass rushing in all these games. I
don't think, oh, this is going to have what it
takes to hang with Georgia. It's just they got their
fun out of the way. They got their exorcism with
Layne Kiffin against Kalaane, so now they got the win.
It's been a good, good run. I think they have

(28:33):
a problem with Georgia. I mean The problem with Indiana
Alabama is it's still Alabama. It's just hard. I don't
care if you can analyze it to death or yeah,
of course Indiana should beat this Alabama team. That isn't
that great. It's still Indiana versus Alabama.

Speaker 4 (28:48):
It's just hard.

Speaker 7 (28:49):
But I do think Indiana pulls that off. So the
real key is here the pass rush. For we all
the NFL talent on the Miami defensive front and all
the talent on the Texas Tech defensive front, can those
can that be the neutralizing factor against these Big ten teams?
And I honestly don't think anybody watched one Texas Tech

(29:10):
game this year. I sure know if the College Football
Playoff Committee didn't until the Big Twelve Championships is like,
oh wow, that's that seems like a yeah, this team
is really good, you know, it's almost it's it's.

Speaker 4 (29:24):
Got the talent.

Speaker 7 (29:25):
I don't know if it has the quarterback situation. Barrymoreton's
a nice veteran, I don't think he's quite there. And
now it's about the Big Ten. I mean, look, Ohio State,
Indiana and in Oregon. They could pretty much set the
tone for the rest of college football. By being like,
all right, we only got a few teams in, but
all of them are pretty good, and let's see what
they do going forward.

Speaker 2 (29:45):
Yeah, for Texas Tech, it just means they need a
better lobbyist in that room for next year peak, you know.

Speaker 7 (29:50):
But the higgest part about that is also is that
everyone's be oh, well, this is the best team money
can buy, like compared to Alabama, like compared to like Oregon,
who is like the forefront of you know, sports marketing,
and they look, it's all legal, it's all above board now.
But oh well, they bought themselves with people so everyone
could do that.

Speaker 4 (30:09):
Everyone could have.

Speaker 7 (30:10):
Had David Bailey, Romelo Heights, great players of Texas Tech
got they just did it really well this year, or
you go.

Speaker 2 (30:16):
Back in time and start comparing them to teams from Alabama,
Georgia and others.

Speaker 1 (30:20):
Of the best.

Speaker 2 (30:21):
At Pete feed Tech where you find him on Twitter.
Pete enjoy the holiday run, blessed time with you and
your family, and we appreciate.

Speaker 1 (30:30):
You being part of the show.

Speaker 7 (30:31):
I'm going guys.

Speaker 4 (30:32):
Thanks.

Speaker 1 (30:32):
He's the best. Joins us each and every week on
the hotline.

Speaker 2 (30:35):
College Footballnews dot Com is the website he's a stinking
genius at Arnie Spanner. You see how excited he was
to talk to you. Well, she went straight to me.
I felt offended. Let's go over to the news desk
to a man who is above reproach, a man that
we all cower in his presence because he's so mighty.

Speaker 3 (30:59):
Said Off.

Speaker 1 (31:01):
You gave him yesterday. Off I did, and yet I
still worked.

Speaker 8 (31:04):
By the way, as you brought up that I'm sitting
at a news desk, I'm glad you brought that up.
The reaction to Arnie appearing on the show tonight by
the guest was Pete, which just went nuts at the
greatest thing.

Speaker 3 (31:15):
Again, how about that, I'm a pretty big deal. Just
ask me.

Speaker 8 (31:18):
That is the definition of news. Nobody has reacted to
Ardy that way. In the late Bowl game tonight in Dallas,
ut San Antonio is still up thirty one fourteen over
Florida International, which has about fifty yards passing fifty yards rushing.
UTSA was actually down fourteen to nothing early in this one,
including giving up a punt return. TD in Phoenix, Minnesota

(31:41):
in overtime beat New Mexico twenty to seventeen. Northwestern beat
Central Michigan thirty four to seven in Detroit. The Wildcats
led seven nothing late first tap. They have won six
straight bowl games. There are eight bowl games on Saturday,
including Penn State at Yankee Stadium against Clemson and at
Fenway Pack It's Yukon again, Army. It is official. Michigan's

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new head football coach is Kyle Whitting him from Utah,
where he spent the last twenty one years. There are
two NFL games on Saturday, Texans at Chargers and then
Ravens at Packers. Green Bay quarterback Jordan Love will not
play Saturday night due to his concussion, so Malik Willis
will start, but he's been limited at practice this week
with the shore shoulder. And quarterback for the Ravens Lamar

(32:25):
Jackson doubtful for the game with the bruise back, so
Tyler Huntley could start.

Speaker 1 (32:29):
The big game.

Speaker 8 (32:30):
Sunday on Fox TV Philadelphia at Buffalo for the Eagles,
linebacker Nakobe Dean out with a hamstring injury, tackle Lane
Johnson still out with a foot injury. Bill's quarterback Josh
Allen is due to play despite a foot injury. He
practiced fully today. Buffalo kicker Matt Crater is still out
with a quad injury. The Patriots say there's still a
chance running back Traveon Henderson plays Sunday after a concussion

(32:53):
last week, but they'll be missing two injured wide receivers.
The Raiders will not play defensive end Max Crosby on
Sunday against the Giants due to a knee injury, and
tight end Brock Bowers is on ir Steelers pass rusher TJ.
Watt will miss another game this weekend after the lung injury.
Butt linebacker Nick Herbig does return.

Speaker 3 (33:12):
In the NBA.

Speaker 8 (33:13):
Boston won at Indiana, won forty to one twenty two.
Jalen Brown thirty points is eight straight thirty point game
Chicago over Philadelphia thanks to a ten oh run at
the end one oh nine, one o two, despite thirty
one points from Joel Embiid at Memphis, tenn assists for
John Morant in a win against Milwaukee. Victories from Miami, Charlotte,

(33:33):
and Washington, which was five and twenty three. Geez, but
shot fifty nine percent from the floor in rep. Toronto
one thirty eight to one seventeen. Wow, I've just gone.
Final Phoenix wins at New Orleans one fifteen, one oh
eight thirty points for Devin Booker halftime Detroit with a
record of twenty four and six lead sixty eight sixty

(33:53):
seven at Utah and the late game through one quarter
at Portland as the Blazers head of the Clippers thirty
five to twenty five. College basketball, still on Christmas, break
back to.

Speaker 2 (34:03):
You, appreciate you. That's Steve Disager at the news desk.
We got Ian, we got Alex, who got Shay in
the back, and of course that's the stinking genius over
there already. Span you're out, Mike Carmen, thanks for being
with us here tonight as you celebrate the holidays. If
you're on the roads, be smart, be safe weather all
across this great land. Just let it take a little
bit longer. You'll get there and it'll be okay. I

(34:25):
had to basically do a you know, the old traffic
cone test when you're doing your driving tests. Yeah, oh yeah,
I had to do that today because some idiot must
have been flying down the highway and plastic and glass
was all over the roadway. So let's be smart out
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As we continue, we'll take a stay in the NBA
for a minute. Steve gave you some updates from the games.
I want to talk about what happened last night. As

(35:08):
we were getting off the air, clips started circulating of
a certain coach who has an issue with my usual
co host.

Speaker 1 (35:16):
They got beef. Maybe we can revisit that coming up
next here on Fox.

Speaker 6 (35:22):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Jason Smith
Show with Mike Harmon weekdays at ten pm Eastern, seven
pm Pacific.

Speaker 1 (35:29):
Our two of the program.

Speaker 2 (35:30):
As we roll on Fox Sports Radio on a beautiful
Friday night, Mike Harmon alongside Arnie Spander, Jason Smith off
till the New Year. Teams assembled, alex and Ian and
Steve Desager's over at the news desks in the back.
We got the road Runners are up forty to twenty
in this game. Because you have to make mention of

(35:52):
the Serve Pro Serve Pro first responderble right, because they're
one of many bulls.

Speaker 3 (35:58):
You know, people are working, that's today is not a holiday.
I just don't understand where you think people are taking
the day off except for Jason Smith and are saying
I got to sit home and watch some of these
Bowl games. I I just don't know where you guys
are where your head's out of it?

Speaker 2 (36:11):
Well, Jet, Look, I'm not saying a bunch of people
didn't go back to work.

Speaker 1 (36:15):
I know plenty of folks did.

Speaker 2 (36:16):
I know plenty of people that are also sitting on
their ass, still hungover from yesterday and watching Bowl games
or the end of it. It's a wonderful life. Marathon
or Ralphie or whatever else is on. I think Marathon
Twilight Zone. Of course, there's a gremlin on the wing
of the plane.

Speaker 3 (36:35):
Your favorite one.

Speaker 1 (36:37):
That's a pretty good one, that's not bad. There's a
few of them.

Speaker 2 (36:40):
It's been a while since I've really gone down that catalog,
but so far ahead of its time.

Speaker 3 (36:46):
I loved it. I like the William Shatner one too,
where they were in the they're in the cafe and
keep putting a penny into the box where they read
your fortune. Whether you can leave the town or not.
It was great.

Speaker 2 (37:00):
It's pretty good because it's me and you and Steve's
nodding his head and Ian and Alex are looking at
us like, what the helly is? What are so the
divide here on Fox Sports Radio at Sticking Genius one,
find me over at Swollen Dome. You also have an
ELF marathon. I mean, depending on where you want to go.
It's all over the place. Pete referenced born identity kind

(37:24):
of things, so you know, pick your poison. You got
some NBA games deep into the night. Whatever you're doing,
however you're doing, and thanks for being with us here
on Fox Sports Radio.

Speaker 1 (37:33):
It's not lost on us.

Speaker 2 (37:34):
We appreciate you giving us the greatest gift that you
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back into the schedule and all the work that our
team does behind the scenes as we get ready for
twenty twenty six. Big story coming out of the NFL

(37:55):
earlier today, it's the battle for the number one pick
overall Arnie, but we had Max Crosby sent home. The
report from Jay Glazer was they said Hey, it's it's
been a good run. Congratulations on a job done for
the year, but it's time for you to take your
leave and go home. Here was his scoopage. Raiders told

(38:18):
Max Crosby they want to shut him down the last
two games. Crosby, he's played with injuries much of the year,
v emently disagreed, has left the building. NFL on Fox
has learned. This could lead to questions on his future
in Vegas, which were already swirling a bit as they
looked at the new direction, new new players, whether the
coaching staff has retained all of that as management kind

(38:40):
of shuffles under Davis Brady, et cetera. But when we
look at Max Crosby being shut down, his presence, he's
one of eleven. And while he may be fantastic, their
defense was not to be kind about it, and whether
he wanted to play or not. And you talk to
most football players, I mean, they're football players. They play

(39:03):
through pain, They played through injuries. As soon as we
get the guys off the line the first couple of
reps of the preseason, they're no longer in mint condition anymore, Arnie,
and now it's just a battle of what's your pain
tolerance threshold, and whether you're hurt slash injured and all
of that diatribe. But for Max Crosby's there's nothing to

(39:24):
be gained for the Raiders at this point. You've got
a contract or, you've got the trade potential in the offing.
The last thing you want to have happen is for
him to get hurt in the game against the Giants.

Speaker 3 (39:38):
Right right. You don't want him to get hurt. You're
at the bottom, you're fighting out for the number one pick.
We'll find out where they have it. Certainly I would
sit him down to find the Raiders I want that
number one pick. This is their way of tanking to
get that number one pick. And if they don't get
the number one pick, they can use Max Cosby to

(39:58):
trade on up to get the number one overall pick
if they so desire, if that's the quarterback they want.
So I certainly understand where the Raiders are coming from.
I understand where Max is coming from. Good for him,
he's a player, he wants to be out there with
his teammates. Unfortunately, it does the Raiders no good to

(40:19):
risk that type of stuff or risk his injury. I
think he'll end up getting traded anyway in the offseason.
To be honest with you, they don't need a contract
like that, and they certainly have to take care of Bowers.
He's certainly going to get the big, big money. They
have to get themselves a quarterback. If they don't get
one in the draft, maybe they get themselves a veteran quarterback.

(40:39):
So I understand where the Raiders are coming from, and
I'm buying them on this one.

Speaker 2 (40:44):
You'd already shut down Bowers for the year. Crosby's in
the first of a three year deal, three years, one
hundred and six million dollars extension. So you talk about
the investment, and we do this all the time, trying
to ascribe value to me. It always comes back to you.
I need a detector, I need a thrower, and I
need an attacker my tap or pat system, depending on

(41:05):
how you want to do it. Right, Protector, attacker, thrower.

Speaker 1 (41:09):
That's it.

Speaker 2 (41:09):
Those three I need solidified, and then I start building
from there. Well, they've got the attacker, the rest of
it not so much. Genti's been pretty good in spots.
Jenoby Myers more or less had a sign on his
back that said trade me for weeks before they finally
got rid of him to Jacksonville. He goes to Jacksonville,
has a couple of big games, a couple of big

(41:31):
blocks to free up their run game, and suddenly he
gets a massive extension. But for the Raiders, you're in
a division where you're chasing all three teams, even in
Kansas City. As they go to retool, rebuild, whatever that becomes.
Travis Kelcey seems like he's finishing the string. Whether he
gets his fifty seven yards this next week or not

(41:53):
remains to be seen. But Patrick Mahomes is on the
way back from a big rehabilitation process. Needs an offensive
line wide receiver, but you still have Andy Reid at
least for now. Everything keeps plugging along. You look at
what Denver has been able to build as they get
out from under what Russell Wilson's contract was, Bo Nicks

(42:14):
and the fourth quarter magic that they have. It would
have been a better game if Courtland Sutton had held
on to that touchdown pass. See I got you, Fantasy owners,
I got you.

Speaker 3 (42:24):
R J.

Speaker 2 (42:24):
Harvey looks like a pretty good player. And then we
talk about the Chargers and the depth they have there
and Eventually the offensive line will either be reconstituted and
regenerated or they'll go find new guys. Right, so you're
chasing in division, let alone the rest of the AFC.

Speaker 3 (42:42):
No, you're right, and it's going to be a tough
climb up except for now the Kansas City. You saw
what happened to Mahomes. How much long is Andy Reid
going to be around? My question is this forget about
how long Andy Reid's going to be around. What's gonna
happen to Pete Carroll? Do you make that move? I
don't need p Carroll rebuilding my team. I think it's
time to just move on without him. Yeah, I'm looking
at age here. He's certainly too old. Time has passed

(43:03):
him by. Who's the guy that could turn around the
Raiders and lead him out of where they are right
now with a two and thirteen record, maybe finishing at
two and fifteen. Who's the guy that you know says
I'll get myself as a quarterback and we'll turn this
thing around. Tom Brady's gonna have to make the move.
Didn't do it right with the Chip Kelly higher. But

(43:25):
something's got to give, and I don't know where to
begin this thing.

Speaker 2 (43:27):
Yeah, I still want to that onion peel back a
little bit. If I can get an in season hard
knocks with whatever footage they can call from the Raiders facilities,
I think that would be fun. The Chip Kelly stuff
and Pete Carroll and going on current odds, Clint Kubiak
is the leader, Todd Monkin second, Joe Brady of the Bills, Third,

(43:50):
Cliff Kingsbury, Stenovich vance, Joseph Brian Flores gone down the line.
Mike McCarthy at eighteen to one. Wow, big long shot
on the board was Dan Lanning at thirty three to one.

Speaker 3 (44:03):
What are the odds of them keeping Pete Carroll and
just saying we'll go with him one more year?

Speaker 1 (44:07):
Well, and that's the thing, right.

Speaker 2 (44:08):
You have to decide, how does the long road begin
with just the first step of changing out the coach
or do you need to rebuild your infrastructure before you
start pushing ahead?

Speaker 3 (44:18):
Any odds on Tom Brady being the coach? Any odds
on Tom Brady Brady be in the quarterback? You tell me.

Speaker 2 (44:26):
He certainly wouldn't have taken as many sacks as Gino did.
He certainly wouldn't have turned the ball over as many
times as Gino did.

Speaker 1 (44:33):
Look.

Speaker 2 (44:34):
We talked about this a lot yesterday, the dearth of
quality quarterbacks, particularly as you go down to the second
and third tiers and the second and third strings to
where Philip Rivers looks really good compared to a lot
of other guys that have taken snaps. And we're into
the mid fifties in terms of quarterbacks who've taken a
start this season. But yeah, the Pete Carroll will he

(44:56):
stay or will he go? Is really one of the
intes interesting things here over these next couple of weeks
as the Tom Brady Spy Tech again unfortunate surname or
a really good one depending on your point of view. Uh,
the GM of the Raiders that they installed, you know,
how quickly do they think they can rebuild this or

(45:17):
do you just need to keep someone I don't want
to say status quote because your team's.

Speaker 3 (45:21):
Terrible, right, you can't keep forget about.

Speaker 2 (45:23):
But it's more just the idea of is there something
from what Pete Carroll's done this year that you think
is a net positive long term or has it just
been an abject failure?

Speaker 3 (45:34):
And who calls the shots too? Is it going to
be Davis. Is tom Brady gonna go into Davis's office
and say, hey, this is what we got to do,
so this is the way we're riding the ship.

Speaker 2 (45:45):
Yeah, I would guess shots here, Yeah, I would guess
that Davis and the other owners of the Raiders, there's
all deference to Tom Brady and whatever he says and
spy tech right, so to.

Speaker 3 (45:58):
Him for sure.

Speaker 2 (45:58):
No, but in the end you've entrusted them. I mean,
you bring in Tom Brady as part of your group
and give him some clout and personnel decision making sitting
in the booth. Remember when that was such a big deal. Yeah,
got that advantage play out. Yeah, we're harry that we're
doing so much of that.

Speaker 3 (46:18):
Raiders are gonna go seventeen to zero because of that.

Speaker 2 (46:20):
You know the dumbest thing I ever heard. Yes, tom
Brady's in the meetings. It's gonna translate what's gonna translate
to someone's got a one funny one liner about the
guy's nighttime proclivities. I mean, yeah, you still need players,
which they clearly did not have. He could have had
all the answers to the test with this roster. It
was still gonna be terrible.

Speaker 3 (46:41):
And Tom Brady, you know, he's obviously very competitive. He
doesn't want his legacy to look like this. He's got
to say something because right now people are pointing the
finger of them over the Chip Kelly.

Speaker 1 (46:51):
Well, because that's the other part of it.

Speaker 2 (46:52):
Right, He's watched the other goats from pick A Sport
go down to Michael Jordan ownership highway right right, made
a lot of money, but when he tried to press
on the scale to bring in guys he liked. They
might have all been great college players, they might have
been the you know, the right stuff between the ears,
but they couldn't play right one after another. So now

(47:15):
it just becomes that question for the Raiders as you
go to rebuild this thing, do you think you need?
How special is Pete Carroll without John Schneider eight seven
to seven nine as we go through right, because how
much blame credit whatever term you want to use, you know,
how much credit does he get when you go back

(47:37):
to the way those teams were structured because John Schneider
in a second act.

Speaker 1 (47:41):
It took a couple of years.

Speaker 2 (47:43):
But now that he's fully picking the groceries and making
the decisions back and seeing look at where they are again,
a lot of the Allen on both sides in the
ball and rising.

Speaker 3 (47:53):
I think I got to let the season play out.
See if I have the number one or number two pick.
If I have the number two pick, and I slowly
want the court back from Indiana, I made trad Max
cause me to move on up. I've got to say
goodbye to Pete Carroll. It's time for him to go.
I'm gonna rebuild with somebody else, somebody who's a lot younger,
maybe like a Dan Campbell type or something like that,

(48:15):
and just started from the very beginning and work it
up and you see what Tom's got to say, and
see which direction he wants to go on. But I've
got to make a movie. Like you said, you know,
it's insanity to think that things are gonna change if
I bring Pete Carroll back, it's's not gonna happen.

Speaker 2 (48:31):
Well, it'll be fun to go through the tape and
what it's showing us right as opposed to look, he
won the Heisman Trophy. He's right now, he's on top
of the world in Mendoza and what he's been able
to do. They're undefeated going into the playoffs. It's all
great against the better teams. Wasn't transcending, right they got

(48:52):
W's take nothing away from it, but it becomes one
of those all right into tape?

Speaker 1 (48:56):
What am I seeing?

Speaker 4 (48:57):
Right?

Speaker 2 (48:57):
Is he that guy at the next level? Or is
he just the best of what has become a thinner
crop of quarterbacks?

Speaker 3 (49:05):
I like him, I like his size, I like look,
is arch Manning the guy that you'd want to take?
I mean, we're gonna question everybody that comes out.

Speaker 2 (49:13):
We always do, and we should, right, the whole point
of being behind these microphones and trying to have a
conversation the eye test and where it goes to the
next level, right, because thirty three and six nearly three
thousand yards Mendoz has been fantastic. But once upon a
time when we look at what this quarterback class was, right,
everybody was like, hey, twenty six will be great. And

(49:36):
then all of a sudden, one by one, nuss Meyer
got benched. He just had a b arch Manning ended
up having an okay season. He's gonna go and and
play in the Sitchers Bowl this coming week against Michigan.
But all they want the players that were expected, all
the Heisman favorites. All the guys that we were looking

(49:56):
as the all right, they'll come out and they'll be
top five picks. And we know the way works. There's
only maybe one or two that'll grade out as first
round picks. But guess what, you need a quarterback? Five
guys I get drafted in the first round.

Speaker 3 (50:09):
Especially if you're a Raiders, you need the quarterback.

Speaker 2 (50:11):
But you definitely need that, right, So do you overreach?
Is it an overreach? Is it?

Speaker 1 (50:16):
You know?

Speaker 2 (50:17):
And who's the person to bring them along? Because as
we've seen, that's instrumental. Right, Caleb Williams a year ago
and the bad decision making sack wise didn't turn the
ball over a ton that was great, but also didn't
push the ball down the field nearly at all.

Speaker 3 (50:31):
If the Giants had the number one pick, would they
dare give say we're just gonna take Mendoz and we'll
just pass on Jackson Dart and we'll trade him or
something like that.

Speaker 2 (50:39):
Well, that's topic we can bring up. Well, we visit
that one next hour. We'll put a pin into that.
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Wow.

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Couldn't get something a little more ferocious and mean. I know,
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Speaker 1 (53:56):
Arnie.

Speaker 2 (53:57):
Now it's time to take a trip, because you never
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Speaker 1 (54:16):
Merry Christmas, Buddy, How are you wow?

Speaker 7 (54:23):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (54:24):
There we go. We're so ready for this.

Speaker 1 (54:28):
There you go.

Speaker 2 (54:28):
Week seventeen of your National Football League, Buddy. Three games
in the books, all barn Burners.

Speaker 4 (54:35):
There's a Christmas Day? Was something, wasn't it? For the.

Speaker 1 (54:40):
Snoop dog was pretty good?

Speaker 7 (54:42):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (54:42):
Snoop Dogg was great. When you say that the halftime
show was was was the major event that tells you
about the games?

Speaker 2 (54:49):
Snoop Dogg and Duck Hodges because he was riding in
Santa Sleigh alongside his fiance Laney Wilson.

Speaker 4 (54:57):
It was beautiful time.

Speaker 1 (54:58):
It's a beautiful time.

Speaker 4 (54:58):
I was and tears.

Speaker 1 (55:01):
So did you try?

Speaker 4 (55:02):
How are you going to feel Sunday night? I want
to know how you're going to be Sunday. Are you
going to be so nervous that you can't handle it?
Is that what it's going to be?

Speaker 1 (55:09):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (55:09):
I'm going to watch Saturday Night when Malik Willis takes
on Snoop Huntley and that'll decide how much I'm really
excitable or nervous on Sunday night.

Speaker 4 (55:22):
You still got to win that game. You still got
to like improve it to the Bears no matter what.

Speaker 2 (55:27):
Well, I get that, But in terms of securing the
first item on the checklist of winning the division, all
you need is Snoop Hunley and Derrick Henry to outplay
Malik Willison whoever shows up.

Speaker 1 (55:39):
For the Packers.

Speaker 4 (55:40):
Yeah, that's true, but I'm I'm kind of thinking, I'm
kind of thinking the Packers take that game. Just kind
of thinking.

Speaker 2 (55:47):
But you're just trying to say that because you want
to get me all agitated.

Speaker 4 (55:51):
I want I want drama. I want drama on Sunday.
It's no fun that there's no drama. And the other
thing is I want that three way tie in the West.
I want somehow the forty nine ers to to win
that division and create a three way tie at the
top because and somehow win that division because they're not

(56:11):
the strongest team there, but it would be it would
be sort of fun to watch.

Speaker 3 (56:17):
By the way, if I don't jump in, Mike's not
gonna let me talk Jason, But is it we can
have all the teams already in the playoffs. By the
games on Sunday, we'll have all the spots taken. This
is the worst uh uh you know run for the
playoffs I've ever seen. It's horrible. There's no good race
is going on.

Speaker 4 (56:35):
Well that's an uplifting question, Arnie. There, that's the way
to keep you going.

Speaker 1 (56:39):
You just talking about drama and you just.

Speaker 4 (56:43):
Yeah, like I was really trying to set it up.
I was. I was just like, hey, we could have
some fun with this. This could be great, Arnie, but
it can all be boring.

Speaker 3 (56:54):
It could all be wrapped up.

Speaker 4 (56:56):
Way way to go, Arnie? Where you go?

Speaker 2 (56:59):
He couldn't you with the TUA question that he had, Yeah,
there you go?

Speaker 4 (57:05):
Oh my god, there we go. All right, Arnie, You're
you're normally a little bit more excited about this stuff
than that. So I'm thrown a little bit here. I'm
really thrown by your attitude here right now.

Speaker 3 (57:18):
Because I'm a Dolphins fan. I've had nothing to root
for for a long long time, so it's been.

Speaker 4 (57:23):
Well, I mean, Arnie, that's your fault. You choose you
want to be a fan. That's okay, that's that's your life.
You ruined it. I'm sorry, Well, what do you want
me to tell you?

Speaker 3 (57:37):
You're born into it, to tell me what you think
about two of them? Because I mean, are they gonna
move him for a little more Jackson? Are they gonna
move him for Murray? Are they just gonna move him
and go in a different direction? What are they going
to do with him?

Speaker 4 (57:49):
Who wants him? Oh?

Speaker 3 (57:51):
I think a lot of teams want.

Speaker 4 (57:52):
Him, Yeah, but they're not can trade for him. I mean,
that's not happening. I mean, like it's gonna let him
get and because they're not only be a part of
that contract.

Speaker 3 (58:03):
Right, that's true.

Speaker 4 (58:04):
And so so like you know, the people who think
he has values somehow, that's not that's just not the case.
Not at that contract. He has valued a smaller contract,
a prove it deal with somebody else, which is fine.
That's you know, go do that. I think that you know,
Tua still has the ability to be a league average

(58:24):
quarterback for somebody and if everything comes together, you can
make the playoffs. Tua. That's that's you know, like that's
not you know, that's not really a problem. The problem
for Tua is he's not going to make enough plays
in the playoff situation that you can actually win it.
And the other thing is he's going to be injured
a lot, so we know the story of what Tua is,

(58:46):
what the Dolphins do to replace Tua. I mean, do
you really think Baltimore's moving off from wal Mark Jackson? Yes?

Speaker 3 (58:54):
I do, Yes, I do. I don't think he'll be
a member of the Ravens, no matter if it's Miami
or wherever he goes. I don't think he's going to
be on that team next year.

Speaker 4 (59:05):
I have no idea where you get that idea.

Speaker 3 (59:07):
I think think there's a lot of bad blood right now.
I don't. I think there's a lot of bad blood,
not only with Lamar, with the team. I think there's
bad blood that's being leaked out about him getting practice changed.
I think the fans now are starting to turn on
him and he's starting to feel it. I totally think
it's a bad situation right now out there.

Speaker 4 (59:27):
Yeah, I think Steve Bashatti is the smart enough man
to go, yeah, we need the quarterback, and we're going
to keep that guy and we'll make him happy somehow,
some way. Steve Bashatti is a very very smart man,
and so your dream scenario here, which is you get
rid of Tua, which is your first step, and then
you get Lamar Jackson to come home. That ain't happen

(59:48):
in power. It's just not happening. And I hate to
rain on your parade. But after you talk to me
about there's no drama here, this is what you get.

Speaker 1 (59:57):
Well, he tried to create.

Speaker 2 (59:58):
Some drama, right saying well, Lamar will be gone. What
about John Harbaugh? Seems like all the bad blood about
someone ought to be fired and shifting from Mike Tomlin
over to Baltimore.

Speaker 4 (01:00:10):
Well, because they had lost that game to Pittsburgh and
Lamar Lamar's Lamar has had a rough year, no question
about it. But this is a team that was on
the edge of the Super Bowl the last couple of years. Again,
I come back to everybody can say all they want
to say, but nobody ever talks directly to Steve Bashadi.

(01:00:32):
And I met Steve Bushatti a bunch of times, and
that's a really clever dude. Okay, He's really good at
reading people and understanding what they do. He's one of
the smartest owners in the league. And he's he's stood
pat with John Harbaugh and he's created a culture there

(01:00:53):
that supersedes short term tantrums, and that's everything that he's
tried to do, all right, And so he'll come in
and he's smart enough and rich enough, and powerful enough
and convincing enough if you listen to him and you've
ever sat with him, and he can get people settled down,

(01:01:13):
and he can get people to say to come back
to the table, and he can look at Lamar and say, Lamar,
you're going to go to another team that doesn't know
how to build around you. We have built an entire
system completely for you, dedicated everything, and John Harbaugh has
been the guy. You guys are letting a little bit
of short term pressure and you know, a bit of

(01:01:36):
short term failure, you know, which is said by the
fact that you've been hurt this year, which is a legitimate.
Nobody's blaming you for being hurt, but you know you've
let that get to potentially ruining it, ruining a good thing.
Let's not do that. Now you can go back and
you can micromanage it, Dren Harbaugh and say he didn't

(01:01:56):
even handle this game, or he didn't do this. Hey,
look there's a bunch some mistakes to go around with
Baltimore for the last few years. A lot of them
fall in Lamar's lap, a lot fall in Harbaugh's lap,
A bunch of them fall into Mark Andrews's lap, right, Yeah,
the offensive Yeah, the offensive coordinator gets his share for

(01:02:16):
some bad play calling. You know, Zay Flowers got you know,
got fumble in there. Okay. I mean there's a lot
to go around and how they did not end up
winning a Super Bowl here in the last couple of years.
But don't throw the whole way just because you had
one rough year. I mean, that'd be like the Kansas
City Chiefs saying we're going to tear every you know,

(01:02:38):
we're trading you know, Patrick Mahomes after this.

Speaker 1 (01:02:41):
I mean, come on, Arnie, Arnie posited that last hour,
what are you doing?

Speaker 4 (01:02:46):
Had already had Mahomes going to Miami?

Speaker 3 (01:02:48):
No, I did.

Speaker 2 (01:02:49):
He's got everybody, He's got pages would if you don't
think Jackson's gone, what about somebody like Kyler Murray?

Speaker 3 (01:02:56):
I mean, I've got to assume that he's gone.

Speaker 4 (01:02:59):
For the why why we always like, why are we
like somehow equivocating Lamar Jackson and Kyler Murray? Like, you know,
one of these things is not like the other. One
of them doesn't belong and that's Kyler Murray. Okay, all right,
Tyler Murray is not Lamar Jackson. Kyler Murray is a

(01:03:19):
guy who hasn't put the work in, who hasn't done
what he needed to do, got hurt as well, all right,
but never has accomplished anything close to what Lamar Jackson
has accomplished in this league. It's had some moments that
has done some interesting things, but you know, he's never
been on that kind of pedestal. You know, like Kyler

(01:03:39):
Murray is not as good as Tua, So whoa, he's not.
He's just not, I mean, and and neither one of
them is good enough to win a championship for you. Now,
somebody's gonna take a chance on because there's not enough
quarterbacks to go around, right But Arizone is done with it, okay,
so you know that. But like Arnie in your world,

(01:04:03):
you're like saying that the Dolphins are going to trade
like a second or third round pick to get Andy
Reid and Patrick Mahomes And that's just not happening. Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:04:11):
He just wants something new, is all j Cole.

Speaker 4 (01:04:14):
That's all he want. Look, if I was a Dolphins fan,
and look, I covered that team for a long time,
you know, nineteen ninety two to two thousand and six.
They got a lot of friends associated with that that team. Okay,
even though it's been twenty years since I've been in
South Florida, thank God. But you know, like you know,
as much as you know that I I understand, you know,

(01:04:37):
I understand. I understand where you're coming from. Like it's
been bad for a long time in Miami. It's you know,
and it's it's sometimes at the edge of hopeless. Okay,
But there's not a quick fix that's coming. Like they
have to they have to do a lot of things,
starting with higher GM make a decision on what they're

(01:04:57):
going to do here with the head coach, you know,
is there going to be another coach who comes out
of the woodwork that the owner is going to like better?
Is the owner ever going to come up with a
sort of consistent philosophy. Is the GM that they hire
going to match up with keeping McDaniel's or you know
McDaniel or is he going to be a guy who

(01:05:18):
butts heads with him? Like there's a there's a lot
in motion there Okay, Now, I would have thought he
would have gotten rid of McDaniel, but he hasn't, right,
and I don't think he has a lot. I mean,
the problem is, as long as he has been the owner,
he has not really learned a lot about how football
works because he spends most of the time concentrating on

(01:05:42):
his real estate business. And frankly, I don't blame him.
You know, it's a lot of money tied up in
that real estate business. Okay, but but you know, like
he just this is he is an example of an
owner who doesn't really understand how football operates. And he
usually is the owner who listens to the guy who

(01:06:02):
sits next to him bearing games and who I don't
know who that is right now, I don't know who
consistently has his ear. But that's the most powerful person
in that organization, which tells you a lot about how
impulsive that organization is.

Speaker 2 (01:06:16):
I'm going to photoshop a picture of Arnie Span You're
sitting next to him for the.

Speaker 4 (01:06:20):
Next at Jason Played Home Trade from my Home.

Speaker 2 (01:06:27):
At Jason Cole sixty two, where you find him the
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J Cole, friend of the family. I appreciate you more
than you know. Appreciate you cutting jumping on with us today.

Speaker 4 (01:06:47):
All right, guys, Yeah, we're bringing you nights back to
the Dolphins. Cirgo there you go.

Speaker 1 (01:06:52):
Be good, buddy.

Speaker 2 (01:06:53):
Yah at Jason Cole putting Arnie in his place. He's
training for everybody. You can have nine for a competition. Yeah, exactly, exactly.
All right, let's go over to the news desk and
Steve de Seger. He's gonna put some sanity back into this. Steve,
you got anybody you want as a Dolphins quarterback?

Speaker 1 (01:07:11):
Yeah, all of.

Speaker 2 (01:07:12):
Them, Bob Greasy, Yeah, everybody's bulto moral, all of them.

Speaker 8 (01:07:17):
Sunday, the big game on Fox TV is Philadelphia at Buffalo.
You know there are only two late games on the schedule.
It's that and the Raiders and the Giants, who each
lost nine.

Speaker 1 (01:07:28):
In a row, both with high stakes. So I look
this up.

Speaker 8 (01:07:32):
Most people are not getting a late doubleheader from the
other network. So almost literally the whole country is getting
the Philadelphia Buffalo game on Fox TV. The only exceptions are.
Part of Nevada is getting the Raiders. Part of the
Greater New York Connecticut area is getting Giants Raiders.

Speaker 3 (01:07:51):
And me, that's my area. What are they doing to me?

Speaker 1 (01:07:57):
To me, that's right? I won? Okay, so one person
in the Greater New York. Yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:08:04):
And also Indianapolis area is getting Giants Raiders because it's
for the number one pick and the Heisman winner from
Indiana might be taken in that.

Speaker 1 (01:08:15):
After that game, Michigan was great.

Speaker 3 (01:08:17):
It was crazy. I get two CBS games when there's
a lot of games in the afternoon because we have
two CBS channels, one for New York and one for Connecticut.

Speaker 8 (01:08:25):
Oh that is great because you know when we had
the old aeriol and picking stations out of the air
as the little kid, you could get like the Santa
Barbar station.

Speaker 1 (01:08:34):
Or the LA or the Palm Springs or this. It
was all completely different.

Speaker 4 (01:08:38):
Earlio.

Speaker 1 (01:08:39):
It's exactly.

Speaker 8 (01:08:40):
By the way, there is that Saturday night Ravens at Packers.
Green Bay quarterback Jordan Love will not play due to
his concussion and Ravens quarterback Lamar Jackson doubtful with the
bruce back. Michigan's new football coach is Kyle Whittingham from Utah,
and we've got the late bowl game going on with
about eight minutes to go in Dallas, ut San Antonio
forty seven into twenty over Florida International, which apparently we'll

(01:09:03):
finish seven and six this year, Minnesota was only seven
and five. We got an overtime win, and it's bowl
game in Phoenix against New Mexico twenty to seventeen. Northwestern
finishes seven and six after pounding Central Michigan in Detroit
thirty four to seven. Eight more bowl games on Saturday,
including for those who want to sit outdoors in sit

(01:09:24):
Yankee Stadium in Fenway Park.

Speaker 1 (01:09:26):
Okay, yay to the NBA.

Speaker 8 (01:09:28):
We've got two late games seven minutes to go, Utah
holding on against Detroit one twenty to one, seventeen, Lowry
Market and thirty points.

Speaker 1 (01:09:36):
He's from what school did he go to?

Speaker 2 (01:09:41):
Come on.

Speaker 8 (01:09:43):
At Portland. It's mid third quarter. Blazers lead the Clippers
seventy two sixty two. If the Clippers lose this, they will.

Speaker 1 (01:09:49):
Be eight and twenty two this year. Eat the Lakers.

Speaker 8 (01:09:52):
Austin Reeves of the Lakers out at least one month
with a calf injury. You were talking about the lack
of defense there, which is, you know, painfully. It reminds
me actually seeing Lakers and Cowboys play the same day yesterday.
They remind me of each other because the Cowboys offense
is quite good, thank you. They have elite wide receivers
that can score twenty eight thirty points a game and

(01:10:14):
give up thirty points a game, so you can't take
them seriously. Anthony Davis and the manst to miss a
few games with a string growing college basketball still on Christmas,
break hl off tonight back to you.

Speaker 2 (01:10:26):
That's our guy, Steve disagre at the newsdask Gar executive
producer Ian Roddy at Ian Roddy underscore part of our
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Alex Tyshert. He's got myriad things going on there. I'll
figure out his handles later on. For the moment, it's
just unless he wants to tell me.

Speaker 1 (01:10:44):
Now, no socials. He's quit social at least for another week.
It's been like a year. Is it really good? Thing you?

Speaker 4 (01:10:51):
Steve?

Speaker 1 (01:10:53):
I have zero social media for you.

Speaker 4 (01:10:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:10:54):
I'm just a shameless self promoter because I want people
to tell me, I'm smart and pretty.

Speaker 4 (01:11:00):
Guy.

Speaker 2 (01:11:00):
The bridge happens, except right there, cut and print that
one for him, and you find Arnie at Stink and
Genius One. People tell him he's smart all the time. Yes,
unless they don't. As we continue here Fox Sports Radio,
Arnie's got a story he wanted to tell us about
playing with a legend.

Speaker 1 (01:11:26):
I don't know. You're a master of tall tales. Gosh.

Speaker 2 (01:11:30):
We'll see if he's doing some fictional work here. As
we continue here on Fox Sports Radio,