June 20, 2020 • 34 mins
Mike Harmon and LaVar Arrington (In for Jason Smith) discuss Juneteenth, and the removal of former Washington Redskins owner George Preston Marshall's statue from RFK Stadium. Also, NFL Insider and Editor-In-Chief of Fansided.com Jason Cole joins the guys to talk Jamal Adams' contract and more!
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Show with Mike Harmon on Fox Sports Radio. Protests continue
across the land, matches as we go. We commemorate June tenth.
I would just like out to une team right for
those unawares right, and let's let's just give your your
textbook definition anniversary of the day back in eighteen sixty
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five when a general read out Abraham Lincoln's emancipation Proclamation
in Texas, thus freeing the slaves in a portion of
the last unemancipated state. So we always have been taught
while this was what freed the slaves, and technically yes,
but we didn't have WiFi and quick ability to get
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that message across the states and through the states. And
I remember as a kid history class, all right, the
North wine have a good summer, like they could never
keep pace to actually get you into reconstruction and knowing
what fell out and and some of the problems and
pitfalls that were still there. So what I would like
to ask for those that are are recognizing a very
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large percentage of the population had no idea. I'm not
saying that that's right, but I'm I'm saying wagging your
finger and cursing them for it doesn't help matters. But
there are a lot of things that are starting to
a lot of pieces of information that are starting to
surface now, um, and and people are more more than
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ever just open to having the conversations. I think, you know,
anybody that you here that is is kind of responding
with so much hate and and and just you know,
dismay to to you know, some of the things that
are developing. I'd always say, again, everybody is entitled to
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feel the way that they want to feel, and everybody
has reasons for feeling the way that they're feeling. UM,
It's not for any one person to validate any one
other person's um feelings, their personal feelings. I just always
felt like it just makes sense to try to understand
that's right. We've talked about it on our Sunday show,
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LaVar and I Sunday six to ten Pacific nine am
to one pm in the East. Uh. Getting after the
word empathy the last couple of weeks really churned up
a bunch in conversation. But also I'm sure in the
Google searches as people wanted to get the textbook definition down.
But the idea of understanding, right, there's a big it's
a big country, right, not to get on a soapbox,
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but it's it's a day that if you paid any
time time on social media at all, I mean, people
are firing back and forth on a lot of things
about masks and about June tenth. Uh, And to some
it's it's an education. But in social media, always know
that you're intended recipient may hear a tone that doesn't exist, right.
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They may take it as you're preaching, as opposed to
trying to educate or talking at instead of trying to
you know, instead of trying to have uh, a level
playing field of a conversation. You know. I think that
a lot of times that's what people are truly impacted by,
is what they what they are afraid of, what they
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don't know and how you perceive it. And I think
now more than ever, the challenge that truly exists is to,
you know, really take a look at yourself and say, okay, well,
if I'm an older person that that has these certain beliefs,
and I've had them for my entire life, you know
what does that mean for the younger generations of people
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that I love and I care about? How does that work?
How do they live? It's it's almost, you know, what's crazy.
It's almost like COVID, right, Like if you think about it,
it's like, I have to be responsible, and even if
that means I know that I can beat this disease.
I know that my immune system is strong. I know
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that if I got it, I'll be able to battle
it off. But yet and still I'm still going to
be considerate of those that I could possibly pass this
on too that don't they don't have the immune system
to deal with this this virus that's hitting. So in
a lot of ways, when you look at people who
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are are really living in in a state, in a
world of hate, and it's it's it's interesting to think
that you have to try in some way in some regard,
it would be best. It would be in your best
interest for the people that you love that are growing
up in in this world for you to figure out why,
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first why is there such a tremendous hate? And then secondly,
is there a way like, is there a possibility that
you could actually address that strong feeling that you have
inside of you? You know, we've all been wronged, right,
and and I don't think that there is. You can't
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assign a specific race of people to being wronged. I've
been wronged by most racial groups out there, right, I
don't know all of them. But I didn't take it
out on a race. But I didn't like that guy
on the eighth floor that was either trying to take
me out or take my tools. But it's the way
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it works. I always says. It's like, I guess I'm
using a whole lot of examples here, right. It's it's
like I always say when people bring up every once
in a while, now it used to be a whole
lot used to be every day of my life. I
have to answer questions about what went went down at
Penn State. And and here's another This is a lot
like how racism is right when you think about the
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the premise of what took place at Penn State and
the heinous act that took place. It may have been one,
it may have been two, It may have been three
or a couple more that were involved in that horrendous uh,
those acts that took place. But I was not one
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of them. I know a ton of guys, all my teammates,
none of us were a part of that. My classmates,
none of them were a part of that. My alums,
none of them were a part of that. And for
some strange reason, we were all guilty. You were you
were there, you were around. You had to the old
have seen and known something. And you know, I used
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to say. I used to say to people. I'd be like,
it's interesting that you're you're You're saying, well, I had
to have known because I knew one of the This
is how close I was to it. I knew one
of the victims. And I was a friend to this kid,
and he came around just to be around me. When
we were at the bowl game, my last game in school,
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he was with me. He was in my hotel room
hanging out with me. We were hanging He was always
with me. And it's the craziest thing. I would have
never known. I did not know. I felt horrible when
I I found out that he was one of the kids,
and I found out that it was him because they
said he showed a picture of me and him while
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he was on the stand and uh doing his uh,
you know, doing his interview. But here's the thing, Mike,
point that I'm making is is much like the Penn
State situation, when you look at how people treat one another,
you're basically taking what, in my opinion, in in a
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in a extreme scenario, because there are some extreme scenarios.
You're taking an extreme scenario of why you hate this person,
and you have made that hate for the entire racial
group connected to what you hate about this one person
or this one thing or or this one something, and
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and maybe that's not always the case, but just to
just kind of frame it where we could have a
conversation about it, it's it's it's not right. You can't
sit there and say, every Penn State is that person
that did those those horrible things. You can't do it.
It's not sensible, and you are cheating yourself out of
maybe a wife, maybe a husband, maybe a best friend,
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maybe somebody who saves your life. You know, it could
be a whole lot of different things, the experiences that
can come your way in life. To imagine you would
actually limit your ability and your opportunities to have a
more fulfilling life than what it may already be. And
by the way, if you're carrying that much malice and
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hate in your heart to begin with, you're not living
the most healthy life to begin with. So it's kind
of like, what, let's take a deep breath and let's
have some conversations here, and let's find some sensibility and
that's all that that that really like, that's all you
can ask for. Right at the back end of a
lot of what's transpired. You and I have talked about it. Right,
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You've got protests, you've got looters, you've got writers, right,
and then we can draw the ven diagram to figure
out where everything fits together. Right again, you can't paint
the broad brush because you and I both know people
friends of ours here at Fox Sports Radio and in
our media pursuites, friends in our personal lives, uh that
have marched in protests and come to work the next day. Right.
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It's it becomes part of their focus. But they're not
out doing what gets shown on the news. Unfortunately, the
old if it bleeds it leads line is still very
true in local news. Right, So you can have two
million peaceful people across this country. It's not it's not
it's it's good to get that a sweep as you
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go to commercial, But in terms of your actual guts
of a broadcast, you're gonna go into, well, where was
the worst of it? Do we have a store owner?
Do we have this? And it's not to say those
things a didn't happen and be they're not horrible, outrageous
things and they should be prosecuted to the full extent
of the long I think we were all in agreement
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of that. But the bottom line is that there there's
a lot of conversations that are at least starting to
happen today with June tenth perhaps, and it's never been
called for by a sitting president before. I think, well,
not to get political, but it's not gonna happen now.
But the idea of it being a holiday, a national holiday, right,
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It's observed in states all the way back to Texas
was the first two and a lot of people compared
to the fourth of July as an independence as an
independence um holiday. But you know, on a holiday like this,
you know, I was, I was speaking to my kids
today and we were talking through just where we are
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in the world, and you know, the question that was
was came out of the conversation was in the end,
what do you have to lose by losing the hate? Yeah? What? Like? Like?
What what? What is it that you really stand to
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lose by actually saying you know what this strong emotion
of hate where I could actually hurt you, where I
could actually take your life and and do some of
the most inhumane things to you because of that amount
of of built up energy and me, what do you
stand to lose by by letting that go? Well? For
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some I think they would argue, depending on where you
are in this country, right, we're talking about livelihoods, clicks
and whatever there are, there are a percentage that would
make that argument that you lose your livelihood. Well, but
depending depending on what your your basis. Right, if you're
a politician, perhaps there's a base that you've fostered again
going from local all the way through. You know there
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there's certain uh speech speeches you're gonna do in certain acts.
I'm with you, like everybody together, if you know, getting
a hundred percent of business for those who feel like
they may lose jobs, for those who may feel like
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they may lose opportunity, or they might not add up.
I mean, let's be clear here. It's all about competing
in America, right, It's all about competing and and the
first things. First things first is if if you the
one thing that I preach as a as a coach
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and a lot of times you you, hopefully all the
time you teach and and in sports is sportsmanship. Why
can't there be a level of sportsmanship that's that's involved
when when you think about the ability to actually wake up,
get up, and if you're willing to put your clothes on,
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button up your shirt, strap up your boots and get
out there and work, something good can actually happen for
you if you keep doing it well. As we've talked
about quite often in the T shirt line, I got
a couple of designs. I'll run by greatness being a choice.
Greatness is a lifestyle. Right. The reason my daughter is
even with no soccer on the horizon, is still getting
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up at six thirty and hitting a treadmill after rolling
a dice, right, Uh, and so many other kids doing
the same all the way through your team that you're
coaching while you sit in a car and drink coffee
away from them. Uh. That you know they're out there
working towards a goal. And that's really the ultimate as
to what we are striving to be. Right. That was
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always about the greatness of things is you know, grab
your bootstraps and get to work. Hey, doesn't have to
be a business. It doesn't have to continue being a culture,
and it doesn't have to continue to be a business.
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Radio app. I was just so used to what things
have been and how they are that I'm probably one
to say I I don't want to say guilty because
I feel like guilt he is too strong. But maybe
guilty is the word. I'm guilty of not being sensitive
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enough to how real the issues of playing for an
organization that was owned by, you know, by Preston and
and and and not not fully understanding the gravity of
being on a team that is considered to be a
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racial slur and and just hearing it today, it just
kind of I'm so far removed from it. I don't
you know, I'm not really I don't really relate to
to that organization. I mean, I love the fans, I
love the city, but I don't relate to the organization.
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And and so when I think about them taking that
statue down, you have to think that that is that
is the biggest That is a very very big domino
that is falling down in terms of if you're trying
to clean up what what that brand has represented for
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so long. And you know, I started thinking to myself,
I'm like, you know, we're to this point now where
oh wow, June tenth matters. Uh, We're having conversations. I'm
pulling into work and there's a whole bunch of people
out there Black Lives Matters surrounding the studio here in
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southern California, absolutely, and you start to think about where
is it all coming from? You know, that's kind of
for me what I've been trying to figure out is
and I know we talked about millennials and how it
has connected the world and and this this approach, and
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I'm just sitting here thinking like where did it come from?
And I start thinking is it? Is it? Is it
hip hop culture? Is it? Is it the music? Maybe?
Is it the sports figures that are are representing these teams?
I mean, is it? Is it? Fundamentally? Okay? Two, be
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a Mississippi Bulldog fan and love Mississippi Bulldogs football but
not want the Confederate flag removed? Is that okay? And
then you start thinking like, man, I wonder what the
percentage of black players are or Mississippi and football team?
Mr super thoughts? Right, you start going into the demographics
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and it's like I hate you as as I hate
this color that's associated with you people. I hate it.
I hate you, but I love Mississippi Bulldog football. I
can't stand you, and you better get up out of
here before the sun goes down or some real stuff
is gonna go down. But I love Alabama roll Tide.
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And it's like I'm sitting there and I'm thinking the
same thing about the Redskins, like, man, like that's what
I've represented, Like I played for a team that was
just outright blatantly showing racist, racism and prejudice towards a
group of people, And like, sitting here and thinking about
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that taking place, them taking the statue down. First of all,
they don't even use RFK anymore. So I find out
to be a little type bit interesting because they've been
talking about knocking RFK down for well, maybe there's another step,
bringing the actual bulldozers and and so that's that's one thing.
But then the next thing I started thinking about is
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man like, what what are the traditions, what are the
legacies that are connected to this rebirth or this this
this moment in time that could end up being maybe
in a lot of as we're dealing with a lot
of tragic happenings that have always been taking place, by
the way, um, but just now are being filmed and
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put on on social media for everybody to see in
its entirety. Like to think that you could just see
somebody lose their life right there in front of you,
like Pam, Like when I was growing up, you had to,
Like when I was in college, you could get a
DVD call Faces, and it blew you away because it
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was like I'm seeing somebody die like right here, boom,
like before you even finish that sentence, right, And now
we're seeing it play out in a way where you
can't deny, you can't deny the realness of what these
topics represent. And so I'm looking at it from the
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standpoint of is it's so real? Like I'm wondering, is
it's so real? The fear, ailings and the emotions connected
to seeing these harsh realities play out, And it's like
for what, like what was the value and and taking
Floyd's life like that, what's the value in it? And
if it's just one person that stimulates that thought process
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to saying like like was it really worth that? Like honestly,
like what made it worth that? And that's gonna be
one of the things that's written about forever. Right what
was is it the the Quarantine plus video as you
saw because it's hot in the NFL right ever since
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Ray Rice and the video seeing billions of times you're
hitting all something, you're hitting all something right there changed
the game. The pandemic around. We're sitting around like we're
not we're not running and rushing off the work, ripping
and running this that now they're like people are sitting
around like watching well, but now you can do the
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deep dives too? What does this mean? Links you didn't
click on before? Site you didn't go on to maybe
why June teenth is such a big deal this year
for those that didn't know of its existence, Well, you
know now, right, And so it's it's a lot of
so many debates, like the whole all lives, black lives,
blue lives, like, like, let's put them all together. Let's
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put them all together. Black lives matter, blue lives matter,
all lives matter. Let's just put them all together. Let's
figure that out. Let's figure let's let's figure it out.
To the conversations, they can all matter, like like have
we not figured out that it can coexist? Like it
doesn't mean if blue lives matter doesn't mean that you've
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got to disqualify the others, If all lives matter doesn't
mean that you have to disqualify the others, Like can't
they all exist together? Like can can kind of sensible
approach to saying, you know what, this is offensive. I
wouldn't want to be offended that way. So it's simple,
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like you know what, I'm just approached this differently, like
holy smokes, Like really that simple. Be sure to catch
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I never went beyond two feet because they say sharks
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I was like a game show, all right. So we
got Jamal Adams. He wants a lot of money, and
he's got a list of teams he wants to get
trained to, all contenders. So basically, question first, go ahead, question,
I gotta ask one question about two things. Number one,
we'll get to George Preston Marshall An Alright, alright, that's
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not just the statue. Okay, he's in the Pro Football
Hall of Fame. Uncomfortable. Yeah, that's not gonna done. Okay,
all right, okay, did you ever look at a player? Look,
I'm all for guys getting paid. Okay, I'm like, if
you can get the money, get it right. But sometimes
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like you look at it, dude and go, you know,
maybe it's not the right time to do this, like
in the middle of a pandemic and like them, you know,
we're not getting We don't even know if we're going
to be like playing this season. Look like in the
locker room, did you ever walk into this, bro? Not
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tim I don't know. First year. I'll just say that
my first year covering the Dolphins, Hurricane Andrew hit. On
the day that Hurricane Andrew hit, Mark duper deciety wanted
to hold out. Not the best timing, Really not good,
I will say, And looking at Jamal's situation two time
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Pro Bowler, first first team All Pro and second team
All Pro. Uh, I would say being this far into
your rookie season, I mean your rookie your rookie deal. Yes,
that timing aside where I will agree that we are
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in some difficult on you know, unclear times. The egg
shells are crack, Yes, yes, yes they are still does
trying to do both like while moving Um, I do
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think that he is if if there is a if
there is a way to justify saying you have outplayed
your contract. I would say, this is one of those
cases where you could present the fact and present the
case that Jamal has um some validity to what it
is that he's sayings and listen and he's but he's
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not he's saying, but he's also saying like in so
many ways, you gotta be honest here right, Like, I'm
bawling out and we suck, right, So either you can
pay me while I'm bawling out for your team that's
kind of like trash right now, or you can trade
me like I almost feel like in a way now
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looking back hindsight at what my career was that the
guy you brought up at the beginning of the segment
and wanted to talk about so interestingly enough, I probably
if I didn't get a big contract as a rookie,
would have felt the same exact way. Why am I
going to waste Pro Bowl caliber years? All pro? Like
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you know how hard it and of course you know
how difficult it is, all pro? Hold on, hold on,
hold on, he got drafted by the checks. He mean,
he was wasting his career before at you you don't
get the tears, you I know, but you know, but
that's just you have to buy in to go. You
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just say, look, I'm getting paid, but my career is deaf. Okay, Okay,
that's just the way this works. Okay, just throughout history,
So you either got to pay. There are there are
some realities and this is one of them. In the NFL.
You go to your you go there and your career, guys,
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because that's just how it works. At Jason Smith, he
knows it's very fair. We watch him, so w didn't
you want to be compensated while your career is dying?
Ab absolutely Look like I said, I have no argument
with Jamal Adams about he's got to be paid. All
I would say is, dude, not like, not like, don't
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say it in right now, hold their feet to the fire,
say everything privately and do your business quietly right now.
And then if they don't, if they don't follow through
on their word or they don't in agreement, then as
we get close from the season, do it. You know
we're closer to training camp, do it then? Hey, Jason,
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Now if you Jason, if you hadn't noticed, everybody is
putting everything on social media. Everything. There is nothing from
a look as a reporter because we don't have sports
and we don't have sports right now, So now we're
having a great dialogue right now taking place. Oh yeah,
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as a reporter, I'm all for it, as as like
advising my child son, do not do this to yourself.
Don't do this if you were my son, tell us
just say you are not engendering love from people. That
that is true. I will say, I will say in
all serious because we're doing a lot of joking, but
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in all seriousness, I understand where you're coming from. Sometimes
the best way to get to the destination you're seeking
is by doing it strategically and soundly, the way that
you're speaking of, have those conversations man and man behind
closed doors. I I get that. I understand that. Um
so yeah, I do. I do see where you're coming from.
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But Squeaky Wheel greed but needs to get paid. I mean,
and it is June. It is June, and we don't
even know what this season is holding. So I almost
look at it like this. It's almost like a strategic
play to try to force their hand to do a
new contract before they sit there and find out that
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something may happen to this season. Because I just got
this weird feeling that something's going to happen. But see,
I think that that's why they know. They know that already,
and they're not gonna like that's why they're not gonna
do anything until they have certainty. Again, from a strategic standpoint,
you know they're not going to move, So you can,
you can complain all you want right now, but you're
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not going to get movement out of them. And so
the only thing that you're really doing is making yourself
look bad at this one moment. I'm wait until the
moment that Okay, we're starting training camp. I have waited
and now is the time you need to pay me
or you need to trade me because I've waited. I've
waited patiently. But that's how I would handle it anyway. Well,
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there you have it, Jamal Adams talk it wins on
a Friday. Hey, Jason, real quick, but before we let
you go, Uh, in terms of where they're at with
documentation people you talk to, Uh, do they have some
some sort of plans in place? You know it's kind
of sketched out here in terms of how this really
comes to play as opposed to the giant document that
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John Harball and others have ripped. Uh, have you ever
gone to Vegas and played craps. Yes, that's pretty much
what this good. So a little bit of organized chaos,
and then everybody says I want and they're not really
sure I'm playing. Look, I played the path line, I
got three bets on the ComBar, I doubled my odds. Um,
I'd like to throw a couple of hard ways to back,
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you know, back to ten and the eighth that I
have that sort of looks like that, but at any
time the seven comes up, it's all gone just like that. Yeah,
because you don't, I mean, we don't have any idea
like how many people are going to be infected when
like Colemson's got twenty three of them now three players.
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I think virtually all asymptomatic, is what I was reading.
People overall, Yeah, right, people overall, And yeah, unfortunately they're
young guys, and so they are asymptomatic so far, and
things are good from that standpoint. But I mean, I
just don't think anybody really knows how this amount play
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out and the other side of it is. And ar
can speak to this better than I can't. If you're
a professional athlete, you know, with your future on the line,
and whether you're gonna play a couple more years, and
this might have physical effects for you, you know, like
cut down, lung capacity effect, balanced things like that. What
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chances do you take that you're gonna play? Now? For
the again to the rank and follow most most ANAFEL players,
they're gonna play because they need the money. But there
are certain guys out there who have leverage, and we've
just talked about Jamaal Adams. Is that I'm not risking
my future on this. I'm not taking this chance. I'm
not going out there and playing. Hey, I'm a quarterback
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and okay, you you know I'm supposed to make thirty
million dollars this year, maybe, but I'm supposed to gamble
the other rest of my career on this. No, I'll
pass on that one. And then all of a sudden
it becomes a really much more difficult negotiation because the
league can't force those guys and help risk to play.
There's just no there's no way that that's going to
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stand up. So look, there's a there's plans. Yeah, there's
all sort of contingencies, and there's contingencies upon contingencies. Just
like I said, you got about five best on a
on a on a craps table. But at any time,
the next roll of the dice can change the whole
board and um, and you just don't you don't know
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what any of that means. So that's what it's looking
like right now. Well, I look forward to rolling the
dice with you in Vegas. Whatever we can pull that
while eating. Yeah, LaVar and I will be good, buddy.
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Show with Mike Harmon on Fox Sports Radio. Protests continue
across the land, matches as we go. We commemorate June tenth.
I would just like out to une team right for
those unawares right, and let's let's just give your your
textbook definition anniversary of the day back in eighteen sixty
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five when a general read out Abraham Lincoln's emancipation Proclamation
in Texas, thus freeing the slaves in a portion of
the last unemancipated state. So we always have been taught
while this was what freed the slaves, and technically yes,
but we didn't have WiFi and quick ability to get
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that message across the states and through the states. And
I remember as a kid history class, all right, the
North wine have a good summer, like they could never
keep pace to actually get you into reconstruction and knowing
what fell out and and some of the problems and
pitfalls that were still there. So what I would like
to ask for those that are are recognizing a very
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large percentage of the population had no idea. I'm not
saying that that's right, but I'm I'm saying wagging your
finger and cursing them for it doesn't help matters. But
there are a lot of things that are starting to
a lot of pieces of information that are starting to
surface now, um, and and people are more more than
(01:54):
ever just open to having the conversations. I think, you know,
anybody that you here that is is kind of responding
with so much hate and and and just you know,
dismay to to you know, some of the things that
are developing. I'd always say, again, everybody is entitled to
(02:18):
feel the way that they want to feel, and everybody
has reasons for feeling the way that they're feeling. UM,
It's not for any one person to validate any one
other person's um feelings, their personal feelings. I just always
felt like it just makes sense to try to understand
that's right. We've talked about it on our Sunday show,
(02:40):
LaVar and I Sunday six to ten Pacific nine am
to one pm in the East. Uh. Getting after the
word empathy the last couple of weeks really churned up
a bunch in conversation. But also I'm sure in the
Google searches as people wanted to get the textbook definition down.
But the idea of understanding, right, there's a big it's
a big country, right, not to get on a soapbox,
(03:01):
but it's it's a day that if you paid any
time time on social media at all, I mean, people
are firing back and forth on a lot of things
about masks and about June tenth. Uh, And to some
it's it's an education. But in social media, always know
that you're intended recipient may hear a tone that doesn't exist, right.
(03:23):
They may take it as you're preaching, as opposed to
trying to educate or talking at instead of trying to
you know, instead of trying to have uh, a level
playing field of a conversation. You know. I think that
a lot of times that's what people are truly impacted by,
is what they what they are afraid of, what they
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don't know and how you perceive it. And I think
now more than ever, the challenge that truly exists is to,
you know, really take a look at yourself and say, okay, well,
if I'm an older person that that has these certain beliefs,
and I've had them for my entire life, you know
what does that mean for the younger generations of people
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that I love and I care about? How does that work?
How do they live? It's it's almost, you know, what's crazy.
It's almost like COVID, right, Like if you think about it,
it's like, I have to be responsible, and even if
that means I know that I can beat this disease.
I know that my immune system is strong. I know
(04:30):
that if I got it, I'll be able to battle
it off. But yet and still I'm still going to
be considerate of those that I could possibly pass this
on too that don't they don't have the immune system
to deal with this this virus that's hitting. So in
a lot of ways, when you look at people who
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are are really living in in a state, in a
world of hate, and it's it's it's interesting to think
that you have to try in some way in some regard,
it would be best. It would be in your best
interest for the people that you love that are growing
up in in this world for you to figure out why,
(05:15):
first why is there such a tremendous hate? And then secondly,
is there a way like, is there a possibility that
you could actually address that strong feeling that you have
inside of you? You know, we've all been wronged, right,
and and I don't think that there is. You can't
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assign a specific race of people to being wronged. I've
been wronged by most racial groups out there, right, I
don't know all of them. But I didn't take it
out on a race. But I didn't like that guy
on the eighth floor that was either trying to take
me out or take my tools. But it's the way
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it works. I always says. It's like, I guess I'm
using a whole lot of examples here, right. It's it's
like I always say when people bring up every once
in a while, now it used to be a whole
lot used to be every day of my life. I
have to answer questions about what went went down at
Penn State. And and here's another This is a lot
like how racism is right when you think about the
(06:23):
the premise of what took place at Penn State and
the heinous act that took place. It may have been one,
it may have been two, It may have been three
or a couple more that were involved in that horrendous uh,
those acts that took place. But I was not one
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of them. I know a ton of guys, all my teammates,
none of us were a part of that. My classmates,
none of them were a part of that. My alums,
none of them were a part of that. And for
some strange reason, we were all guilty. You were you
were there, you were around. You had to the old
have seen and known something. And you know, I used
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to say. I used to say to people. I'd be like,
it's interesting that you're you're You're saying, well, I had
to have known because I knew one of the This
is how close I was to it. I knew one
of the victims. And I was a friend to this kid,
and he came around just to be around me. When
we were at the bowl game, my last game in school,
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he was with me. He was in my hotel room
hanging out with me. We were hanging He was always
with me. And it's the craziest thing. I would have
never known. I did not know. I felt horrible when
I I found out that he was one of the kids,
and I found out that it was him because they
said he showed a picture of me and him while
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he was on the stand and uh doing his uh,
you know, doing his interview. But here's the thing, Mike,
point that I'm making is is much like the Penn
State situation, when you look at how people treat one another,
you're basically taking what, in my opinion, in in a
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in a extreme scenario, because there are some extreme scenarios.
You're taking an extreme scenario of why you hate this person,
and you have made that hate for the entire racial
group connected to what you hate about this one person
or this one thing or or this one something, and
(08:34):
and maybe that's not always the case, but just to
just kind of frame it where we could have a
conversation about it, it's it's it's not right. You can't
sit there and say, every Penn State is that person
that did those those horrible things. You can't do it.
It's not sensible, and you are cheating yourself out of
maybe a wife, maybe a husband, maybe a best friend,
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maybe somebody who saves your life. You know, it could
be a whole lot of different things, the experiences that
can come your way in life. To imagine you would
actually limit your ability and your opportunities to have a
more fulfilling life than what it may already be. And
by the way, if you're carrying that much malice and
(09:17):
hate in your heart to begin with, you're not living
the most healthy life to begin with. So it's kind
of like, what, let's take a deep breath and let's
have some conversations here, and let's find some sensibility and
that's all that that that really like, that's all you
can ask for. Right at the back end of a
lot of what's transpired. You and I have talked about it. Right,
(09:40):
You've got protests, you've got looters, you've got writers, right,
and then we can draw the ven diagram to figure
out where everything fits together. Right again, you can't paint
the broad brush because you and I both know people
friends of ours here at Fox Sports Radio and in
our media pursuites, friends in our personal lives, uh that
have marched in protests and come to work the next day. Right.
(10:04):
It's it becomes part of their focus. But they're not
out doing what gets shown on the news. Unfortunately, the
old if it bleeds it leads line is still very
true in local news. Right, So you can have two
million peaceful people across this country. It's not it's not
it's it's good to get that a sweep as you
(10:26):
go to commercial, But in terms of your actual guts
of a broadcast, you're gonna go into, well, where was
the worst of it? Do we have a store owner?
Do we have this? And it's not to say those
things a didn't happen and be they're not horrible, outrageous
things and they should be prosecuted to the full extent
of the long I think we were all in agreement
(10:47):
of that. But the bottom line is that there there's
a lot of conversations that are at least starting to
happen today with June tenth perhaps, and it's never been
called for by a sitting president before. I think, well,
not to get political, but it's not gonna happen now.
But the idea of it being a holiday, a national holiday, right,
(11:08):
It's observed in states all the way back to Texas
was the first two and a lot of people compared
to the fourth of July as an independence as an
independence um holiday. But you know, on a holiday like this,
you know, I was, I was speaking to my kids
today and we were talking through just where we are
(11:28):
in the world, and you know, the question that was
was came out of the conversation was in the end,
what do you have to lose by losing the hate? Yeah? What? Like? Like?
What what? What is it that you really stand to
(11:49):
lose by actually saying you know what this strong emotion
of hate where I could actually hurt you, where I
could actually take your life and and do some of
the most inhumane things to you because of that amount
of of built up energy and me, what do you
stand to lose by by letting that go? Well? For
(12:13):
some I think they would argue, depending on where you
are in this country, right, we're talking about livelihoods, clicks
and whatever there are, there are a percentage that would
make that argument that you lose your livelihood. Well, but
depending depending on what your your basis. Right, if you're
a politician, perhaps there's a base that you've fostered again
going from local all the way through. You know there
(12:37):
there's certain uh speech speeches you're gonna do in certain acts.
I'm with you, like everybody together, if you know, getting
a hundred percent of business for those who feel like
they may lose jobs, for those who may feel like
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they may lose opportunity, or they might not add up.
I mean, let's be clear here. It's all about competing
in America, right, It's all about competing and and the
first things. First things first is if if you the
one thing that I preach as a as a coach
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and a lot of times you you, hopefully all the
time you teach and and in sports is sportsmanship. Why
can't there be a level of sportsmanship that's that's involved
when when you think about the ability to actually wake up,
get up, and if you're willing to put your clothes on,
(13:39):
button up your shirt, strap up your boots and get
out there and work, something good can actually happen for
you if you keep doing it well. As we've talked
about quite often in the T shirt line, I got
a couple of designs. I'll run by greatness being a choice.
Greatness is a lifestyle. Right. The reason my daughter is
even with no soccer on the horizon, is still getting
(14:02):
up at six thirty and hitting a treadmill after rolling
a dice, right, Uh, and so many other kids doing
the same all the way through your team that you're
coaching while you sit in a car and drink coffee
away from them. Uh. That you know they're out there
working towards a goal. And that's really the ultimate as
to what we are striving to be. Right. That was
(14:24):
always about the greatness of things is you know, grab
your bootstraps and get to work. Hey, doesn't have to
be a business. It doesn't have to continue being a culture,
and it doesn't have to continue to be a business.
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Radio app. I was just so used to what things
have been and how they are that I'm probably one
to say I I don't want to say guilty because
I feel like guilt he is too strong. But maybe
guilty is the word. I'm guilty of not being sensitive
(15:06):
enough to how real the issues of playing for an
organization that was owned by, you know, by Preston and
and and and not not fully understanding the gravity of
being on a team that is considered to be a
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racial slur and and just hearing it today, it just
kind of I'm so far removed from it. I don't
you know, I'm not really I don't really relate to
to that organization. I mean, I love the fans, I
love the city, but I don't relate to the organization.
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And and so when I think about them taking that
statue down, you have to think that that is that
is the biggest That is a very very big domino
that is falling down in terms of if you're trying
to clean up what what that brand has represented for
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so long. And you know, I started thinking to myself,
I'm like, you know, we're to this point now where
oh wow, June tenth matters. Uh, We're having conversations. I'm
pulling into work and there's a whole bunch of people
out there Black Lives Matters surrounding the studio here in
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southern California, absolutely, and you start to think about where
is it all coming from? You know, that's kind of
for me what I've been trying to figure out is
and I know we talked about millennials and how it
has connected the world and and this this approach, and
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I'm just sitting here thinking like where did it come from?
And I start thinking is it? Is it? Is it
hip hop culture? Is it? Is it the music? Maybe?
Is it the sports figures that are are representing these teams?
I mean, is it? Is it? Fundamentally? Okay? Two, be
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a Mississippi Bulldog fan and love Mississippi Bulldogs football but
not want the Confederate flag removed? Is that okay? And
then you start thinking like, man, I wonder what the
percentage of black players are or Mississippi and football team?
Mr super thoughts? Right, you start going into the demographics
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and it's like I hate you as as I hate
this color that's associated with you people. I hate it.
I hate you, but I love Mississippi Bulldog football. I
can't stand you, and you better get up out of
here before the sun goes down or some real stuff
is gonna go down. But I love Alabama roll Tide.
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And it's like I'm sitting there and I'm thinking the
same thing about the Redskins, like, man, like that's what
I've represented, Like I played for a team that was
just outright blatantly showing racist, racism and prejudice towards a
group of people, And like, sitting here and thinking about
(18:26):
that taking place, them taking the statue down. First of all,
they don't even use RFK anymore. So I find out
to be a little type bit interesting because they've been
talking about knocking RFK down for well, maybe there's another step,
bringing the actual bulldozers and and so that's that's one thing.
But then the next thing I started thinking about is
(18:46):
man like, what what are the traditions, what are the
legacies that are connected to this rebirth or this this
this moment in time that could end up being maybe
in a lot of as we're dealing with a lot
of tragic happenings that have always been taking place, by
the way, um, but just now are being filmed and
(19:09):
put on on social media for everybody to see in
its entirety. Like to think that you could just see
somebody lose their life right there in front of you,
like Pam, Like when I was growing up, you had to,
Like when I was in college, you could get a
DVD call Faces, and it blew you away because it
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was like I'm seeing somebody die like right here, boom,
like before you even finish that sentence, right, And now
we're seeing it play out in a way where you
can't deny, you can't deny the realness of what these
topics represent. And so I'm looking at it from the
(19:53):
standpoint of is it's so real? Like I'm wondering, is
it's so real? The fear, ailings and the emotions connected
to seeing these harsh realities play out, And it's like
for what, like what was the value and and taking
Floyd's life like that, what's the value in it? And
if it's just one person that stimulates that thought process
(20:16):
to saying like like was it really worth that? Like honestly,
like what made it worth that? And that's gonna be
one of the things that's written about forever. Right what
was is it the the Quarantine plus video as you
saw because it's hot in the NFL right ever since
(20:37):
Ray Rice and the video seeing billions of times you're
hitting all something, you're hitting all something right there changed
the game. The pandemic around. We're sitting around like we're
not we're not running and rushing off the work, ripping
and running this that now they're like people are sitting
around like watching well, but now you can do the
(20:57):
deep dives too? What does this mean? Links you didn't
click on before? Site you didn't go on to maybe
why June teenth is such a big deal this year
for those that didn't know of its existence, Well, you
know now, right, And so it's it's a lot of
so many debates, like the whole all lives, black lives,
blue lives, like, like, let's put them all together. Let's
(21:21):
put them all together. Black lives matter, blue lives matter,
all lives matter. Let's just put them all together. Let's
figure that out. Let's figure let's let's figure it out.
To the conversations, they can all matter, like like have
we not figured out that it can coexist? Like it
doesn't mean if blue lives matter doesn't mean that you've
(21:43):
got to disqualify the others, If all lives matter doesn't
mean that you have to disqualify the others, Like can't
they all exist together? Like can can kind of sensible
approach to saying, you know what, this is offensive. I
wouldn't want to be offended that way. So it's simple,
(22:03):
like you know what, I'm just approached this differently, like
holy smokes, Like really that simple. Be sure to catch
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I never went beyond two feet because they say sharks
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could get into three and I always saw Jaws coming.
Can we have one of my favorite quinte uh quotes
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I was like a game show, all right. So we
got Jamal Adams. He wants a lot of money, and
he's got a list of teams he wants to get
trained to, all contenders. So basically, question first, go ahead, question,
I gotta ask one question about two things. Number one,
we'll get to George Preston Marshall An Alright, alright, that's
(24:45):
not just the statue. Okay, he's in the Pro Football
Hall of Fame. Uncomfortable. Yeah, that's not gonna done. Okay,
all right, okay, did you ever look at a player? Look,
I'm all for guys getting paid. Okay, I'm like, if
you can get the money, get it right. But sometimes
(25:10):
like you look at it, dude and go, you know,
maybe it's not the right time to do this, like
in the middle of a pandemic and like them, you know,
we're not getting We don't even know if we're going
to be like playing this season. Look like in the
locker room, did you ever walk into this, bro? Not
(25:33):
tim I don't know. First year. I'll just say that
my first year covering the Dolphins, Hurricane Andrew hit. On
the day that Hurricane Andrew hit, Mark duper deciety wanted
to hold out. Not the best timing, Really not good,
I will say, And looking at Jamal's situation two time
(25:58):
Pro Bowler, first first team All Pro and second team
All Pro. Uh, I would say being this far into
your rookie season, I mean your rookie your rookie deal. Yes,
that timing aside where I will agree that we are
(26:21):
in some difficult on you know, unclear times. The egg
shells are crack, Yes, yes, yes they are still does
trying to do both like while moving Um, I do
(26:42):
think that he is if if there is a if
there is a way to justify saying you have outplayed
your contract. I would say, this is one of those
cases where you could present the fact and present the
case that Jamal has um some validity to what it
is that he's sayings and listen and he's but he's
(27:06):
not he's saying, but he's also saying like in so
many ways, you gotta be honest here right, Like, I'm
bawling out and we suck, right, So either you can
pay me while I'm bawling out for your team that's
kind of like trash right now, or you can trade
me like I almost feel like in a way now
(27:29):
looking back hindsight at what my career was that the
guy you brought up at the beginning of the segment
and wanted to talk about so interestingly enough, I probably
if I didn't get a big contract as a rookie,
would have felt the same exact way. Why am I
going to waste Pro Bowl caliber years? All pro? Like
(27:50):
you know how hard it and of course you know
how difficult it is, all pro? Hold on, hold on,
hold on, he got drafted by the checks. He mean,
he was wasting his career before at you you don't
get the tears, you I know, but you know, but
that's just you have to buy in to go. You
(28:11):
just say, look, I'm getting paid, but my career is deaf. Okay, Okay,
that's just the way this works. Okay, just throughout history,
So you either got to pay. There are there are
some realities and this is one of them. In the NFL.
You go to your you go there and your career, guys,
(28:33):
because that's just how it works. At Jason Smith, he
knows it's very fair. We watch him, so w didn't
you want to be compensated while your career is dying?
Ab absolutely Look like I said, I have no argument
with Jamal Adams about he's got to be paid. All
I would say is, dude, not like, not like, don't
(28:59):
say it in right now, hold their feet to the fire,
say everything privately and do your business quietly right now.
And then if they don't, if they don't follow through
on their word or they don't in agreement, then as
we get close from the season, do it. You know
we're closer to training camp, do it then? Hey, Jason,
(29:20):
Now if you Jason, if you hadn't noticed, everybody is
putting everything on social media. Everything. There is nothing from
a look as a reporter because we don't have sports
and we don't have sports right now, So now we're
having a great dialogue right now taking place. Oh yeah,
(29:41):
as a reporter, I'm all for it, as as like
advising my child son, do not do this to yourself.
Don't do this if you were my son, tell us
just say you are not engendering love from people. That
that is true. I will say, I will say in
all serious because we're doing a lot of joking, but
(30:02):
in all seriousness, I understand where you're coming from. Sometimes
the best way to get to the destination you're seeking
is by doing it strategically and soundly, the way that
you're speaking of, have those conversations man and man behind
closed doors. I I get that. I understand that. Um
so yeah, I do. I do see where you're coming from.
(30:25):
But Squeaky Wheel greed but needs to get paid. I mean,
and it is June. It is June, and we don't
even know what this season is holding. So I almost
look at it like this. It's almost like a strategic
play to try to force their hand to do a
new contract before they sit there and find out that
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something may happen to this season. Because I just got
this weird feeling that something's going to happen. But see,
I think that that's why they know. They know that already,
and they're not gonna like that's why they're not gonna
do anything until they have certainty. Again, from a strategic standpoint,
you know they're not going to move, So you can,
you can complain all you want right now, but you're
(31:07):
not going to get movement out of them. And so
the only thing that you're really doing is making yourself
look bad at this one moment. I'm wait until the
moment that Okay, we're starting training camp. I have waited
and now is the time you need to pay me
or you need to trade me because I've waited. I've
waited patiently. But that's how I would handle it anyway. Well,
(31:30):
there you have it, Jamal Adams talk it wins on
a Friday. Hey, Jason, real quick, but before we let
you go, Uh, in terms of where they're at with
documentation people you talk to, Uh, do they have some
some sort of plans in place? You know it's kind
of sketched out here in terms of how this really
comes to play as opposed to the giant document that
(31:52):
John Harball and others have ripped. Uh, have you ever
gone to Vegas and played craps. Yes, that's pretty much
what this good. So a little bit of organized chaos,
and then everybody says I want and they're not really
sure I'm playing. Look, I played the path line, I
got three bets on the ComBar, I doubled my odds. Um,
I'd like to throw a couple of hard ways to back,
(32:14):
you know, back to ten and the eighth that I
have that sort of looks like that, but at any
time the seven comes up, it's all gone just like that. Yeah,
because you don't, I mean, we don't have any idea
like how many people are going to be infected when
like Colemson's got twenty three of them now three players.
(32:35):
I think virtually all asymptomatic, is what I was reading.
People overall, Yeah, right, people overall, And yeah, unfortunately they're
young guys, and so they are asymptomatic so far, and
things are good from that standpoint. But I mean, I
just don't think anybody really knows how this amount play
(32:56):
out and the other side of it is. And ar
can speak to this better than I can't. If you're
a professional athlete, you know, with your future on the line,
and whether you're gonna play a couple more years, and
this might have physical effects for you, you know, like
cut down, lung capacity effect, balanced things like that. What
(33:18):
chances do you take that you're gonna play? Now? For
the again to the rank and follow most most ANAFEL players,
they're gonna play because they need the money. But there
are certain guys out there who have leverage, and we've
just talked about Jamaal Adams. Is that I'm not risking
my future on this. I'm not taking this chance. I'm
not going out there and playing. Hey, I'm a quarterback
(33:39):
and okay, you you know I'm supposed to make thirty
million dollars this year, maybe, but I'm supposed to gamble
the other rest of my career on this. No, I'll
pass on that one. And then all of a sudden
it becomes a really much more difficult negotiation because the
league can't force those guys and help risk to play.
There's just no there's no way that that's going to
(34:00):
stand up. So look, there's a there's plans. Yeah, there's
all sort of contingencies, and there's contingencies upon contingencies. Just
like I said, you got about five best on a
on a on a craps table. But at any time,
the next roll of the dice can change the whole
board and um, and you just don't you don't know
(34:23):
what any of that means. So that's what it's looking
like right now. Well, I look forward to rolling the
dice with you in Vegas. Whatever we can pull that
while eating. Yeah, LaVar and I will be good, buddy.
(34:47):
I have a great weight.
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