June 7, 2025 • 43 mins
This week Jason and Mike celebrate the greatness of the Indiana Pacers as they pull off the comeback win game one of the NBA Finals! Plus, the Knicks decide to fire their head coach after they were defeated by the Pacers, and so much more!!!!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
This is the best of The Jason Smith Show with
Mike Harmon on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
Greetings, Welcome inside, Happy Monday, The Jason Smith Show with
my best friend Mike Harmon.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
I'm not mad, uh huh, I'm just disappointed. Okay, Well,
it would be your team screwed me. I didn't tell
you to bet the n neck. No, they screwed me,
because tonight I tell you we should be right. I mean,
we still have Mets Dodgers, right, but we would have
had a game seven to where all of that. I'm fine,
I'm fine. I would have been tested on a high level. Yeah,
(00:59):
to say, your Las thing, Rossberg poking the bear and
Mary just wondering what the hell she got herself into,
and instead they go down like a bunch of I
was gonna use a word.
Speaker 4 (01:11):
I can't soft this soft ending.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
This is why I said everything was great, because all
they had to do was get to Saturday, and if
they win Saturday, great, Monday is.
Speaker 4 (01:23):
Going to be incredibly off the hook.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
And if they lose, it's over.
Speaker 4 (01:28):
Yeah, I was gonna say it.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
It's two days ago. It's like we're moving on. We
had other big things happening, as you said. We got
Mets Dodgers. Man. Yeah, I know, it's it's Tom It's
Edmund Bobblehead day, and we.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
Don't don't bring his name up. See what I did there,
I just brought you back to a world of hurt.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
Yeah, we got all kinds of great stuff. And the
next day it was two days ago. I can't believe
people still remember it was so long ago.
Speaker 5 (01:50):
Got hard to take him back to a world of hurt.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
Oh well, I mean, look, it's it's a constant reminder.
We've got it on on four monitors. I might put
out of my iPad just so we have five. Yeah,
you're gonna make him wear an l on all five?
Speaker 1 (02:04):
All five. Yeah. So because there's no game tonight now,
we put Mets Dodgers on every single television in the.
Speaker 5 (02:09):
Studio Mets owner Bubblehead night.
Speaker 4 (02:11):
It is, Yeah, Tommy, yeah, you know, I know.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
I'm telling this to Harmon before he goes, and I
walk in Harmon, you know, like like he can't just
come in and say hi, right, Harmon's got to come
in and just be a jerk right away. It was
a story. I go, hey, what's up. I don't even
get a hello Ian. I go hey, what's up? And
he goes, you know, it's Edmund Bobblehead night tonight, and
like I wanted to slug him, Like I think if
I hit you, nobody would say go because you know,
I didn't go to the World Series, not because of
(02:34):
show Hey o Tani, not because of Freddie Freeman, not
because of Mookie Bets. I didn't go because Tommy freaking
Edmund decides ten hits in ten runs, scored ten RBIs
in the NLCS. He gets a huge fifty million dollar
contract because a one seven day span where the guy
plays out of his shoes, And you wanted to bring
that up when you still had no idea how I
was after the knicks. I should have hit you. I
(02:54):
could have hit you. You could witfter the knicks. Well,
I was finding because it was good.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
I'm convinced that if you need it had a videotape.
I did say, hello, we exchanged some slight plays.
Speaker 4 (03:08):
First thing, you know, Edmund bubblehead. First thing he said out,
even because.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
His kid was warming up to throw out the pitch.
Why is it the first thing you need to tell me.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
You don't need to.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
I know it's about a kid.
Speaker 5 (03:20):
You could defense it's kind of important.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
It's not.
Speaker 5 (03:24):
It's not, it's an important detail.
Speaker 4 (03:26):
Started it's important?
Speaker 1 (03:31):
Is so uh so base?
Speaker 3 (03:33):
I mean I was going to an elevated form of conversation. Hey,
you know, and they're going to stick the needling you
here with the Edmund bobble.
Speaker 5 (03:40):
There's also the fact that on your side, if HR
were to find out about you slugging him for that,
I think they would understand.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
Yeah, no they would.
Speaker 5 (03:49):
One time you could have knocked his lights out.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
Oh he said that. Yeah, this is open and shut.
I'm sorry, mister Harmon, but we'll still validate your parking.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
But don't you love that they had Edmund Bobblehead night
for when the Mets are in down.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
We see what I've been going over the last like
three minutes, last three minutes, babble ahead night. Yeah, okay, yeah,
imagine I needed that's playing in the finals, so like
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Speaker 5 (04:29):
Yeah, the game has started looking everywhere? Man, Yeah, I
need some help. Well, what are you looking for?
Speaker 1 (04:35):
Justin? Can I help you with something?
Speaker 5 (04:36):
What time does the nickname sir?
Speaker 1 (04:38):
Yeah? Okay, you know, after after the Lakers completely flamed
out and threw up on themselves. Not once did I
say to you what times Laker game tonight? Not once
did I say that to you? Not one time?
Speaker 5 (04:50):
Oh, winning championships isn't easy.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
Not okay, listen, just because you last won five years
ago and we last won fifty two the little bit earlier,
just a little it earlier. It's not like jen Xers
are even gonna remember that. It was on the back
of the fish rap. What do you want? Yeah? Phil
Jackson won for US. Oh really yeah as a player, Yeah,
it was at seventy throwing some bonyolo. Did Phil win
(05:14):
when he took over?
Speaker 3 (05:14):
Is it? No? No? No?
Speaker 1 (05:16):
Did Phil coaching it?
Speaker 3 (05:17):
No?
Speaker 1 (05:17):
No, no, what he played for that when he took over?
It was one of the worst time ago, except for
it was one of the worst runs. Said, it was
a long time ago. Uh so that's where we sit
right now. Yes, Mets Dodgers on the way, big Civil
War night here. But let me say, because since you
wanted to do the Knicks and we had the open
for the Knicks, and I'm like, maybe I'm stupid thinking, oh,
(05:38):
by the time we get to Monday night, the games
like two days. No, no, no, what what else are
you gonna talk?
Speaker 4 (05:43):
I I'll tell you it is a big, big deal.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (05:47):
I honestly thought they were still playing. Here's maybe they
are somewhere kind of disappointed they're not.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
Maybe they're playing a scrimmage somewhere and they're teaching Karl
Anthony Towns how to play defense. Maybe that's what's happened,
And there could be we got a great pickup game
going again. Lakers have been there for months. They got
to be running the court right now. Yeah, it's odd
and great. It was the fact that it.
Speaker 4 (06:07):
Ends just like that with you still calm and level headed.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
Whatever. We didn't get this game seven. The whole thing is,
I'm watching the game game six, and I'm going, this
is every reason why I wasn't excited, why they had
to just get to get Look, all they did was
buy themselves an extra couple of days and win game three.
They win game five because I'm watching everything come home
to roost. They can't guard the Pacers get open threes,
They're making open threes. They can't keep up with the
(06:33):
pace because they're terrible defensively. The Pacers have what five
fast break layups after Nick like, it was every It
was every reason why. I'm like all these people on
social media coming at me and go, oh, you know
what a real nick figure. No, I'm just realistic, man.
I know how it's gonna end, and you know what,
You'll be better off if you understand this is how
it's going to end. If they win, great, but understand
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that they're not gonna get over and still as good
as I am right now, and I realize now I'm
getting little upset. I'm a little a little man, I'm
a little messed up, a little messed up here. No,
I'm much more okay than I expected because I thought
this is how it's going to end. They clearly weren't
the better team in this round. Indiana was one hundred percent.
Was the better team. Clearly they were. But the one
thing that keeps getting out every time I say I'm okay,
(07:16):
like I feel like I'm eighty five percent, but like
that fifteen percent from Game one, like that's never gonna
leave like that loss is and people understand that loss
is going to live for Everett Simmers under again, no
one in the history of the NBA ever blew a
loss like that nine points with fifty seconds left to go.
They only go back to ninety five. But I guarantee
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you no one did it before, because before there was
no three. People didn't make threes like they No, no, no,
nobody ever had done that. I mean, that's never going
to go away. Just when I thought, well, eventually they'll
stop show on the Reggie Miller the choke saying no, no,
we're just gonna show Halliburton making that shot and the
choke sign, and that's gonna just absolutely bleep and live forever.
Like that's just like the Reggie Miller thing is he
makes the shots, the three in a row in like
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eight and nine seconds, eight point nine seconds and the
choke sign. Okay and nope, the same thing here. He
makes the shot then does the choke sign, and that's
what I did. Like that is never going away. Like
that is one of those things where it tags you
as a fan and you're like, boom, well I got it.
Oh no, you mean I can't remove the stinger Nope,
but stays in you. It's like when they track you
in one of those sci fi movies and the trackers stay.
You can't even cut it out with a knife. I
(08:19):
gotta cut this out. They know where we are. That's
how they're following us. Cut it out, use a knife. No,
there's no, you can't cut that out because that loss
never goes away. Now, last year losing when everybody got
hurt and Nenmark hits the miracle three, Okay, you know what,
I could let that go. I mean obviously, it's but
this this one that this stays in. This is like
in my bloodstream. Now, it's like eventually it's gonna activate
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because I have I've gotten I gotten to my blood
cells now, and I mean it's like I'm a radioactive
spider like that that never leaves. That fifteen percent is
always gonna be there. I just have to manage it
now for the rest of my life. Well, depending on
which message board thread you read, that might be real.
Speaker 3 (08:55):
Anyway, Moving on the idea I'm cutting out, you just
can't cut But it got to the point where the
stat that you cited, the layups and fast breaks off
made baskets over ran the what was it, thirty to
ten or thirty to twelve fast break margin overall because
(09:16):
the incredulity of how are you falling asleep that poorly
after a made basket to where you don't have the
two seconds to start retreating.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
You were show hal Tani against the Yankees falling asleep
after made baskets like you are you are them?
Speaker 5 (09:30):
And hey, I'm out man, I'm tough to hit two
home runs.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
I Judge gave two runs and he gave you what
you came though. Now the other Max month see and now,
So it helps to not dwell on it with have
anything like you know, I'm not just gonna sit home
and watch cable television and you know, just be like
Ben Stiller at the end of Dodgeball, I'm just gonna
stay eating.
Speaker 4 (09:47):
Hey, you want something for the ride home? Here you
go my milkshake, rings on the bulls.
Speaker 5 (09:51):
Yeah, was that you Saturday night?
Speaker 3 (09:52):
Beyond?
Speaker 1 (09:53):
As far as you know, I get a chicken. But
I will say that because now moving on, right, like
what like what's next here? And I'm not knee jerk,
I'm not prisoner of the moment, but it's clear and
I've never seen a team in the Eastern Conference finals
that has had so many flaws exposed, Like you get to, okay,
we just missed. Well, retool for next year. Like you
(10:13):
could see that the Knicks were not near to what
the Pacers were, any team with any kind of depth,
And you get late in the playoffs and look at
what they did. Right, They're rolling guys off the bench,
and Matherin has a couple of incredible games, mccatton like
everybody's contributing, and the pace was just killing you. And
the bottom line is this, The Knicks defense was awful, right,
it was absolutely awful, And no matter how you cut
it up, you can't have Brunson and Towns playing at
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the same time. Right, that's what's killed the Knicks because
Towns is a very bad defensive player. Brunson's bad too,
but Brunson's the franchise, right, Brunson's offensively is one of
the top five players in all of the NBA, right,
so he stays Towns the whole thing. The experience with
Karl Anthony Towns, it was fine, but it wasn't quite
what was expected. And I said this all through the
(10:55):
series that if they lose this, this is gonna be
Karl Anthony Towns in one year and done with the Knicks,
simply because they're gonna need some sort of adjustment to
get more athletic, to get better defensively, to take the
pressure off of Jalen Brunson, and he's the guy that's
gonna bring the most back in turn, because Karl Anthony
Towlens is a really talented player, right, really, but that
(11:17):
combination of him and Brunson it's just not gonna work. Right,
So that's why they had to put Mitchell Robinson in
the starting lineup. So this offseason he's gonna be dangled
out there and if the fit was great, I would say, well,
they'll figure things out and go. But you already have
anunobian Bridges who are really good perimeter defenders, and still
the Knicks looked like they were running in mud the
entire time because you need that big guy. You need
(11:38):
that big download that can be athletic, that can help
take the pressure off, and you just can't. You simply
just can't have both of them in the lineup at
the same time. Brunch is not going anywhere. So it's
gonna be talent, whether it is Yannis, whether it's somebody else,
whether it's a trade for a more athletic big or
or a playmaking forward and and a lesser role player
because you need other guys off the bench. But I'll
(11:59):
tell you what if I go to Vegas right now
but all my chips middle and say this is how
the Knicks fix it. Tip stays here. They are, they
weren't the best team. They gotta get better. They gotta
break up the big five that they have. And Town's
is gonna bring the most in return. He's gonna get
Delta in the offseason. And that's what the Knicks are
gonna bring in a playmaking forward. Someone's gonna be able
to be better down low potentially somebody off the bench,
(12:21):
which is you know, that's something you could do in
free agency, But Karl Anthony Towns is gonna be the
big ticket moved to bring mostly what they need.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
He's gonna be a really good franchise player for a
bottom rolling squad because you're gonna get a bunch of
parts and a would be superstar in return, because all
of the hey, he's gonna go to Milwaukee. If I'm Milwaukee,
I'm gonna reset with that. Let me give me, give
me a guy that's a two way threat in every
way shape and for him, and they honest and yeah,
(12:49):
let's bring back a guy that is a defensive liability
that no, and we're old and we're gonna bring in
a guy.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
No, this does not work.
Speaker 3 (12:57):
So he's gonna end up in the nether region for
one of these top up and coming guys that hasn't
gotten his second deal yet, plus a couple other parts.
Because depth is the name of the game here. And
as much as you may like the offensive game and
his ability at times like that twenty point fourth quarter
is as good as it gets, that's too sporadic, and
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the inability to close out on the perimeter absolutely got
exposed time and time and time again.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
I'm telling you that Karl Anthony Towns is the guy
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(13:44):
Lindor do when he came up? I loved out.
Speaker 5 (13:46):
There's an actual MLB he hit a home run? Nothing, Oh,
Lindor hit a home run to start the game. Oh,
get lucky. But there's a rule in MLB. I don't
know if you heard this. Oh yeah, okay, you have
to spot the Mets four runs when they come to
your family.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
Okay, out with nobody already winning one nothing in a
runner on first, nobody out. Maybe we get to four
in this inning. That could happen.
Speaker 5 (14:05):
On it could happen this guy. I mean, if he
wasn't a met he would in the ground. That didn't
do a double play.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
But well, I mean look, I mean obviously you know
mon Soto's gonna do mon Soto thing.
Speaker 5 (14:15):
I mean, may put it there for him and hit
it over, So it would have been three to nothing.
Speaker 4 (14:18):
Okay, not my fault out of a home running with
a double play.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
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Speaker 1 (14:32):
Tabs tape.
Speaker 3 (14:38):
A long time ago, Oh, I remember a month ago
when we predicted it would happen.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
Oh, Tips, you had a job at this time yesterday.
Speaker 6 (14:57):
Maybe if you had unfolded your r had a jomp tip,
maybe you would want something else out the black wardrobe
you would haven't chopped.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
Or maybe if you would just bleep in one game
one against the Pacers, yo jobnh mabe.
Speaker 3 (15:19):
I'm just saying, maybe, Mike Harmon, that was slight. The
I heard the break screech. Now, let me tell you something,
top Tim and O. It was a full work up.
Get the crowd excited and then get.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
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of basketball headlines are we gonna have to get us
the game one of the NBA Finals, Enter the new
and Tom Thibodeaux fired after the Knicks best run in
the last twenty five years, losing in the Eastern Conference Finals. Now,
let me just say what Mike Harmon alluded to a
few moments ago. Okay, I am not surprised. We talked
(16:17):
about this a couple of weeks ago. I am not surprised. Right,
There's lots of different things. But the first thing I
will tell you is this, Right before you want to
dive into the roster and defense and Karl Anthony Towns,
and before you want to dive into and Who's Next
and all the stuff, all the 'ren our test and
metal World pieces side, I want to be that I'm
ready for the smoke. Right, What a campaign, dude. I'll
(16:40):
tell you the most fun well, the most fun thing
today was watching the Rockies win a series the second
most fun thing today was watching the number of people
who trended because fans were saying, what if this guy
was the knicks next head coach? Right, here's metal World peace,
here's Rick Patino. Come on, do what you do?
Speaker 5 (16:57):
Do it? Doc Rivers is out there.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
Don't don't you? Don't you say that? Come on, man, that.
Speaker 3 (17:08):
That would be the greatest thing for the man for
the furthering of the show during the long arduous run
that is the NBA regular season, to be able to
chronicle that on a day to day basis.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
At night, come on, I know you and I are
at Odds Frostburg with the Mets Dodgers coming up in
a few minutes. That's over the line, man that I
wouldn't wish Doc Rivers on you. I wouldn't risk Doc
Rivers on any but I'm pretty I wouldn't wish Doc
Rivers on the White Sox. That's how much I wouldn't
wish Doc Rivers on anybody.
Speaker 3 (17:38):
You know what?
Speaker 1 (17:39):
He might actually he got it.
Speaker 3 (17:41):
Although Venable is doing a pretty good job with a
bad roster, and they at least come out and fight
these days.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
But us fault fault, that's all his fall bring the
hometown kid, Doc Rivers home. Come on, let's go before
before you get to everything. There is a really there's
a really easy way that I think people are just
blowing past, which is what when? And you know why
the Knicks fired Tibbs today after their greatest season in
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twenty five years. Think for a second, right outside, you know,
big NBA fans, we all watch Eastern Conference Finals. Yes,
the Knicks lost. It was really difficult. Their their flaws
were all exposed. But just think about being around the
Knicks for the last couple of days with this right,
the Knicks lose and it is heartbreaking. And not only
(18:29):
that they are not over a Game one that is
going down in the annals of NBA history as the
biggest blown loss in the history of the game. I
can't I can't overstate that enough. The Knicks loss Game one,
blowing a lead in the final minute that nobody in
the history of the game is blown. Right, we went
(18:51):
back and looked the record fourteen hundred and fourteen wins
and no losses and when the NBA was taken keeping
track of this right from the mid nineties, right, fourteen
fourteen to zero with a nine point lead, and fifty
seconds left to go on regulation. And you know what,
you know, a team has never blown a lead like
that even before that, because teams didn't hit threes for
the for the early part of the nineties and the eighties,
(19:12):
they didn't take that many shots. Before that, there was
no three point shot. So I guarantee you nobody in
the one hundred some odd years since since Nasmith said, hey,
cut the holes out of the peach basket, eased to
get the basketball back. Since that, no one has blown
a lead this decade. CLO. So yeah, this is an
all time worst loss in the NBA. This is a
(19:33):
loss that stays with the team and franchise forever. It's
Reggie Miller on steroids because this was Hey, at least
the Knicks won that series at Reggie Miller made the
choke sign. This was blowing Game one watching Halliburton's miracle
shot fall doing the choke sign. It is an all
time embarrassing Game one and series loss for the Knicks.
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You're naive if you think a team can just sit
there and say, well, we'll get him next year. We
didn't have a good roster. The Pacers were a better team. No,
some losses you can't come back from because they're just
that bad. Not all losses are created equal. Some losses
are worse than others. Some losses make the worst losses
look like a kid given out candy. This was one
(20:15):
of those Game one We've never seen it before, a
team has never had that happen. When something like that happens,
you can't just bring the guys back next year. You
can't just say, okay, roll it back, we'll make some
There needs to be repercussions. There needs to be fall up.
We told you after Game one if they lose this series,
the guys are gonna look at is gonna be Tibbs
and Karl Anthony Towns? And who are the guys? TIBs
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and Karl Anthony Towns? All the Karl Anthony Towns criticism
the last few days, and now Tibbs gets fired today.
Sometimes a loss is just so bad you can't bring
Tibbs back because he's a memory and a reminder, an
every day walking institution of we blew that lead against
the Pacers, or we're gonna blow it again. You're gonna
see this in the playoffs every time a team is
(20:58):
up nine with a minute left to go. Reggie Miller's
gonna say, remember the Pacers next in twenty twenty five.
Reggie Miller's gonna be ninety eight years old, that like
thirty years from now, and it's gonna be saying, remember
when the Pacers did it back in twenty five with
Hella Burton. That's exactly how it's gonna go. You can't
bring him back. That's why I'm not surprised at all.
The TIBs got fired because this loss and then the
(21:19):
series loss was just so bad you have to start
anew You have to start and say, Okay, we gotta
move away from this because this is just gonna hang
over the franchise. I mean it's gonna hang over the
franchise enough already. But bringing back the same cast of characters,
it's like a cloud, like the cloud that follows pig Pen,
you know in the in the Peanuts, Like that's what's
gonna happen. And that's why the Knicks had no choice,
(21:40):
and I understand it. I'm not surprised with the fire
and Tims because some losses are just so bad you
have to move on and start new, and this is
one of those losses.
Speaker 3 (21:49):
I like that you said and the peanuts kind of
like you were going, it's not said, not just peanuts,
the peanuts.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
Look, it's it's the thing we've.
Speaker 3 (21:59):
Talked about for month is that you had eighty two
games to try to see what else was on the
roster instead of grinding out win in game fifty five, right,
fifty seven whatever. Middle of the season, Hey, you play
forty two. Well, at no point did you develop continuity.
We saw it exacerbated when Brunson had to leave a
(22:20):
game for a short period with an injury.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
It was like, they look absolutely lost. Right.
Speaker 3 (22:26):
You had several turnovers in a row, a couple of
shot clock violations, a lot of pointing as if it
was the Spider Man meme come to life.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
No continuity there.
Speaker 3 (22:37):
And so when all of a sudden you get to
the playoffs and it's like, all right, we need some depth.
Cat picked up his requisite too, silly foles early, so
we need to go to the bench. Oh wait, now
we can't use him because he can't play defense and
he's in foul trouble. All of those things to say,
it's an imperfectly structured roster. And we've been clear about
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that talking about that the whole season for those that
live and die by Jason's Knicks fandom and Mets fandom,
but Knicks fandom, We appreciate you being part of the show.
That means you listen a lot if you get triggered
by it, So thank you. Just stay with us because
it's gonna it's gonna be a wild off season. But
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for this move, you say, hey, congratulations on a job done.
Here's a giant pile of money to go out the door,
and you try to figure out what's next. The roster
is going to go through an overhaul, and Rose is
certainly on the under the microscope here as to what
kind of depth and where we're looking at for the
NBA and things changing with these two teams that'll square
(23:43):
off starting Thursday, when you're running ten sometimes eleven deep
right and fast break points and ability to get out
of that versus all right, slow the ball down and
take nothing from brunts, and you can decide whether you
want him on your top five in the game today.
Jason put that pull question out on air last week.
But it's just that idea of all right, how do
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you restructure this and what's the direction going forward? And
with Thibodeaux as the face, the gruff, non responsive in
many ways coach of this squad in New York. That's
just not gonna stand right. The expectation really went through
the roof after beating the hated Celtics, and that game
(24:27):
one loss will forever stain whatever legacy. Now Cat got
him fired twice so that we.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
Should remember that.
Speaker 3 (24:37):
It's like this guy again, all right, and you know
all all of the things we've talked about. You know,
you can only hide him so long, and defensively, that
was the reason he didn't fit with what Minnesota was
trying to do. And you thought you'd be able to
piece it together. But again, if you're only gonna run
six seven deep and you don't have big men on
(24:57):
the bench to spell adequately, uh, and you can only
cover up defensive lacking uh issues by Brunson and Cat
so long before you're exposed.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
And Indiana did it.
Speaker 3 (25:09):
So now it's to the next iteration of the Knicks.
And it was fun watching all the names. As you said,
the belly odds great. The betting odds had I think.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
Thirty five guys on it. Oh yeah, yeah, freight, where
we're done? Where was Stephen A. Smith. Where where was
he was he in the thing? Take no hold on
a second, Let.
Speaker 5 (25:26):
Me way behind, Doc Rivers.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
Oh he is no but look, but just think about
it because normally we see it with players.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
Right.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
Usually when when a manager oversees a collapse and a
team loses, it's a we collapsed over the course of
the end of the regular season. We collapsed in the playoffs,
and that's why coaches get fired. This is a one
series thing, but it had We've seen it. Sometimes you
don't realize you see it, but you do. I'll go
back to last year in Major League Baseball, right, so
let's me bring up pee A Lonzo's home run. Devin
(25:58):
Williams one of the best closers of Major League right,
one of the best. Now, he's hurt a little bit
last year, but guy gave up one home run all season.
He is as lights out a closer as there was. Right, fastball,
change up, that's all you needed, right, That's all Marianna
Rivera needed. But he gives up the big home run
to Alonso in the ninth inning of a game. The
Brewers had a two to nothing lead and they were
moving on to the NLDS and they gave up four
(26:19):
runs in the inning and they lost. Sometimes a loss
is so bad you couldn't bring him back, right, You
couldn't bring Devin Williams back. You couldn't bring the You
couldn't bring the guy back because it's just the loss
against the Mets would hang over. You don't know, is
he's still gonna be the same guy. He's gonna be
thinking about that loss. It's a daily reminder of the
home run because that home run was such a big deal.
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It wasn't just hey, he gave up a home run.
They lost a game. This was ninth inning. Man, come in,
shut the door. It's a two run lead. It was
so bad the Brewers had to move on from him. Right.
It's not like he wanted a big contract. It's not
like there was a situation where he's gonna hit free
agency or where the Brewers knew we can't go, we
can't move on with him, and we have to deal him.
So they traded him to the Yankees. Right. I mean,
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that's that's really why you It happens with players mostly
guys at miss field goals. Guys that give up big
home runs, got guys that that that melt down in
a pitching situation, right when when you Darvish couldn't come
back to the Dodgers after that big World Series melt
down and allegedly was tipping pitches like that's it, Like,
you can't come back after this. Usually it's players, but
(27:22):
this was such a big deal and and you know
where are you gonna go? You can't bring the head
coach back because that's too much a reminder of how
bad things were. And you just need a fresh start,
no matter who it is. You'd a fresh start with
this team and go forward because it's young, you're building.
And again that's why I'm not surprised at all that
this happened.
Speaker 3 (27:40):
It's the negative part of being the face of the franchise.
They become the face of the franchise, futility in fifty
two years, the foff as it were.
Speaker 5 (27:53):
Jason all that said, he got fired because the nick sucked.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
The stop we were there were three teams left and
we were one of them. We were in the final three.
Speaker 5 (28:01):
We're going to the finals, and we told you no, no, no,
you got to you're not getting past the pacers.
Speaker 1 (28:06):
All right ready, stephen A is sixty to one sixty
to one. Doc Rivers, Really, he's not on.
Speaker 3 (28:11):
The short list. I'm looking at here. I got Johnny
Bright from the She's not the favorite.
Speaker 5 (28:16):
Find a new list.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
Wait, stephen A. Smith has shorter odds than Doc Rivers. No,
at least from Bravada what they had put up earlier then.
Speaker 3 (28:26):
Well, I mean they also had Patrick Ewing at plus
nine point fifty with Sam Cassel and Mike Budenolzer. Oh wow, okay,
all right, all right, Mark Jackson at fourteen to one.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
Okay, Jeff Van Gundy return at twenty five to one.
Where's stephen A? What do you think of the What
do you think of the Knicks performance tonight? You know,
they're they're three and one, their first loss of the season.
It was appalling. It was atrocious. It was depressing. It
was disgusting, distressing, it was frightful. It was ghastly. It
was horrifying. It was shocking. It was ugly. It was unpleasy.
(29:00):
It was abominable. It was repulsive, it was unsightly, it
was grungey, it was deplorable like that. I mean, I
want to see that, just to see the post game Prescott.
Speaker 3 (29:09):
I think that's also how he described the press release
in which they announced this instead of having the guts
to do it personally.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
So I'm telling you reason number one. That's why. Sometimes
there's sauces. You just can't come back from that.
Speaker 5 (29:21):
And they sucked.
Speaker 2 (29:22):
You know what.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
You know what, Crosberg, Your Lakers were watching the playoffs
for like a month on Magic Johnson's yacht before the
Knicks got eliminated.
Speaker 5 (29:30):
Sometimes we got to take a year off.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
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Speaker 1 (29:39):
Game one of the NBA files the Thunder in control,
but the Pacers slowly cutting into their lead throughout the
second half a big run. They trail the Thunder right
now one ten to one oh nine, with twenty two
and a half seconds left to go. The most previous
play is being reviewed after a miss by the Thunder.
(30:00):
Pascal Siakam goes for the ball and he grabs it
but is bumped into it, or it is going for
it with another Thunder player and Siakam grabs it but
he falls out of bounds. He screams for a foul
and Rick Carlyle they went looked the replay called the
time out wants them to look at it. So they're
looking at this because you could see Carlyle say that's
(30:21):
a foul. That's a blanket foul. Man. You see him saying,
I've seen the replay a few times. This is not
a foul, right, it's it's it's it's not it's not
a foul, right you you watch them, but both of
them are going for the ball, right, you got you got?
Wallace is going for it. Saams going for it. And
Wallace just puts his arm out and swats the ball
(30:44):
when already has it, doesn't touch him, doesn't touch him,
and Siakam just loses his balance and goes out of bounds.
I I don't know how you call this a foul.
Speaker 3 (30:52):
I really don't he get called it at the beginning
of the play when he grabs his wrist to keep
him underneath the basket. Listen all the way back that
physicality going into the corner. But the prior couple of
possessions for Indiana, it was like, unless you drew blood,
you were not getting a phone call.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
Yeah it was. Yeah, they're definitely like there, definitely, even
though both it feels weird because it's like both teams
have been to the free throw line a ton in
the fourth quarter, but it feels it also feels like
they're letting them play. It's a it's a weird thing
going on right now. It's like, oh, go to the
free throw line, but they're letting them play. We're gonna
get the call right now. Again, I'd be really surprised
if if it gets reversed, but hey, you never know.
(31:29):
It is the NBA Finals and and uh, you know,
seven game series is great, but it looks like they
are keeping the call as is. Yes, Thunder Thunder fans
are celebrating Siakam was the last one to touch it,
and honestly, it's the right call, right unsuccessful challenge. I
get why they did it right, They had to do it,
and you know, but here's the thing is, you know,
when when when players make that move and and and
(31:53):
you get caught up in a moment of hey, this
is our you know you kind of had to do
it there, but wow, sometimes you're a player, you can't
just say challenge, challenge, challenge. You have to understand that, well,
we got to make sure it's the right play, and
you know, quite simply, this was a ball that went
out of bounds, and the officials make the right call
with the Thunder.
Speaker 3 (32:12):
Well rise to the level, Jason, and the answer is
there's contact, but is it enough? The answer is no,
and Tyre's Halliburton.
Speaker 1 (32:22):
Oh my goodness, Oh my goodness, Oklahoma City misses a shot.
The rebound goes to Indiana. Indiana dribbles down court. They
look like they're in trouble. They look like they're in
trouble because Halliburton can't penetrate. He finally finds his way
(32:43):
free on the right side and he puts up a
fifteen footer that falls. It gives the Pacers the lead.
They're checking to see if there's time left on the clock.
Like Halliburton, there's four seconds left. He's being guarded at
mid court and he steps in the steps inside the
three point line and he hits a shot. And they're
(33:03):
looking to see how much time is left on the
clock for the Oklahoma City Thunder. It looks like looks
like three tenths of a second, so they're gonna get
to inbound the basketball. But my goodness, man, this this
Indiana Pacers team just will not die in a night
where Halliburton has had a game where he's only got
fourteen points. This really has been something. This has been
(33:26):
along the lines with everything the Pacers have done, the
big comebacks in the first round, beating the Cavs, the
way they did Game one against the Knicks, like this
is kind of what the Pacers do. And Halliburton hits
the big shot when it looked like they were in
trouble and things were gonna go absolutely south of the Pacers,
and now it looks like they're gonna win Game one,
one eleven ten. So does he get to go and
(33:48):
steal the clutch trophy from your guy Brunson or what?
Speaker 6 (33:51):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (33:52):
I don't think you can call him any much. I
don't think he'll call him over rated. I don't think
any players do that.
Speaker 3 (33:57):
I told you he had the extra motivation from having
that attempt to go snatch the Larry Bird Trophy and
then Pascal Siakam's name being announced, so you know, motivation
for the next round. But once again, you hang around
second or in the fourth quarter six of ten from
three point range? Are the Pacers the Thunder zero for five?
(34:19):
SGA misses that big shot on the Thunder's last possession
for Haliburton fourteen ten and six and a plus twelve.
Speaker 1 (34:28):
What a disaster this is gonna be for the thunder
What an absolute disaster. Game one, they control it most
of the way.
Speaker 7 (34:35):
It sounds like the next series game s yeah it
this looks like the next SGAA ever recover eight seven
seven SGA playing the role of Jalen Brunson right with
thirty eight points and ah, you don't really get what
you need out of Jalen Williams and chet Holm, grind
and Alf, but you get a couple of other performances.
Speaker 1 (34:51):
And here come the pacers who just absolutely wear them down.
They hit their threes right eighteen for thirty nine from
three point range. It's what keeps them in this game.
And Halliburton again hits a shot in which it looked
like he was absolutely stuck. And you know, I gotta
say the the calm, the grace under pressure, under fire
that Halliburton has is just I can't get over it.
(35:15):
Where there's plays that other players, other clutch players would
absolutely melt and panic and look for a ball, look
for a pass. He just finds a way, finds a
little bit of space and hits a shot We've seen
him do a time after time after time. I give
him all the credit in the world. And they're gonna
win a game that I didn't think they could win again.
One eleven, one ten. Right now, three tenths of a
(35:37):
second left to go, Oklahoma City will inbound the basketball
from the PACER's side, so they get a chance for
one last alley oop tip, some kind of quick toss up.
But it looks like this is going to mean other
than a miracle, and it seems like the Pacers have
the run on miracles. This is gonna wind up being
a Pacers stealing Game one from the Thunder.
Speaker 3 (35:57):
Hey run that Gordon play run yeah Gordon. Oh, so
that one that worked against us, just exactly what they
kind of tried to do. But the Pacers take the
one eleven, one ten victory as the inbound gets tipped away. Jason,
you know, we watched the first half and with the turnovers,
final turnover count twenty four to six. But one of
(36:22):
the things we were talking about the series was that
you do have a bunch of defenders, you do have depth.
For Indiana, they kept Oklahoma City. They shot under forty
percent for the game. They shot under forty percent for
the game. Did not take care of the basketball with
all the turnovers that they caused. Good transition defense by
(36:44):
the pacer, something you got used to seeing against the Knicks.
So they go into OKC and they steal one. Man,
did they just just take it? This is a very
violent fashion.
Speaker 1 (36:54):
This is just disaster. It's absolute disaster for Oklahoma City.
Like they get a little lost on the final play,
Like Halliburton kind of slides to the side and Wallace
is on him, and and Caruso kind of comes up
leaves Seakam because he doesn't want to have that little
slide past to Seakam.
Speaker 3 (37:13):
But then yeah, he retreats back instead. Yeah, yeah, not recognize.
I guess with the clock because if he passed at Sam,
they don't have a they don't have time. Yeah, and
Halliburton hit. Halliburton hits the shot.
Speaker 1 (37:25):
And I will say this because I know you don't
want to foul, but wow, in a game in which
in which they were letting you play down the stretch,
Wallace was was given Halliburton way too much room, Like
you gotta know you gotta have that body clock, knowing
how much time is left, knowing that I gotta be
close to him because he's not going to drive past
me and get to the hoop. That's not gonna happen.
(37:46):
And he definitely, you know, he gave him a a
little bit too much rooms. He gets up a clean shot.
So I mean, look, Halliburton makes the play. But the
one thing I will say is that man Wallace kind
of gave him a little bit too much room there.
Let him go up with a clean shot. Man Ada
was something steady, hack and stick it.
Speaker 5 (38:03):
You are going to apologize to Tyres Haliburton?
Speaker 1 (38:06):
Am I gonna apologize what I say? He got?
Speaker 5 (38:08):
He got lucky last round?
Speaker 1 (38:11):
When did what you did? I say these things had? Yes?
Speaker 3 (38:15):
Game one?
Speaker 1 (38:16):
Come that shot?
Speaker 5 (38:17):
This is it? Is it?
Speaker 7 (38:18):
Really?
Speaker 1 (38:18):
Luck? Come on the end of games one? Bounced it
off the back, bounces off the back of the rim,
up in the air and back through. No, that's long.
Speaker 5 (38:25):
You want the face of the league forget sgsluck.
Speaker 1 (38:27):
Yeah yeah, yeah. Now now it's Haliburton who's making all
Did you see the metal stand they just put up
to win a game end of regulation or ot Since
nineteen ninety seven, Lebron James with eight shots and then
tied with five are Reggie Miller and now Tyree's Halliburton.
Speaker 3 (38:44):
See how quickly they got that stat together, Like we said,
my and research staffs get it done.
Speaker 5 (38:51):
Like how big of an underdog were the Pacers today?
Speaker 1 (38:53):
They were nine and a half for ten.
Speaker 3 (38:55):
Yeah, depending on when you you started to dive in
I think it got out to ten and a half
as you got closer to tip off, a little bit
of late money and big bets coming in on OKC
to take care of business at home, which they they
did for three quarters.
Speaker 5 (39:10):
Haliburton is a dog.
Speaker 1 (39:12):
I mean, you know, you want to look, you want
to look at something and a couple of keys to
this game. Right, the Halliburton shot is insane, and we're
gonna we're gonna continue to talk about that. But you
look at the rebounding advantage the Pacers had. They had
four starters with at least nine rebounds in the game, right,
they had a fifty six to thirty nine rebound advantage,
(39:33):
and and yeah, the twenty four to six turnover advantage.
But they didn't turn those twenty four turnovers into enough
points or was it eleven points off? The twelve points
off of twenty four turnovers? Like that's why this is
an as. This is just a disaster for the Thunder.
Like it's game one. We're here, we're at home, we're
the better team, we have the MVP, we play better defense,
(39:55):
we control the entire first half, and then we just
get law in the second half. Whether because this would
not like the Pacers had some crazy comeback where they
hit all of their threes. No, they hit a bunch
of threes like they normally do. But you know, eighteen
out of thirty nine. Okay, you know it's it's you know,
it's forty five percent of your threes, all right, But
this was still a game where it's not like the Thunder.
(40:16):
It stopped scoring. It's not like the Thunder. It all
of a sudden hit the skids and and somehow the
I mean, the Pacers just do this. Man, when you
think they're dead, they find a way to stay in
it at the end all three rounds of the playoffs.
Like it's not like when Halliburton's got the ball, I'm
saying to myself, I'm talking. I'm saying, he's gonna hit
this shot. He's gonna hit wherever it is, He's gonna
put it out. It's gonna it's gonna bounce off the
(40:37):
front of the rim, and then it's gonna bounce off
of somebody's head, and then a bird is gonna fly
by and it's gonna hit the bird. It's gonna fall
through the bottom of the net, and the Pacers are
gonna win.
Speaker 3 (40:45):
You're picturing, Neil what they do Michael Jordan, Larry Bird
Horse commercials from McDonald's right.
Speaker 1 (40:52):
I was actually the yeah, no, I was thinking more
than the Danny Rojas the penalty when he when he wow, okay,
they hit the dog on the pedal. Well you know,
I mean, look, it's is this is what the pacers
do that they it's the pacers doing pacer things. Okay, okay, sorry, good.
Here's how it sounded just a couple of moments ago.
(41:14):
Tyre's Halliburton's game winner for the Pacers. Patis will a
chance to win it, final seconds, no foul, so Halliburton looking,
Halliburton driving, pulls off jump shots with three tons for
the second remating time out. Okay, see Tyrens Halliburton does
it again. Mike Bring ESPN ABC on the call. Disappointing
(41:41):
Burton shot, uh, where's the bang? Bang?
Speaker 5 (41:43):
Where's the title for a shot like that?
Speaker 1 (41:46):
No, I think you only use bangs for the Knicks.
I don't think I think it's any he's.
Speaker 7 (41:49):
Getting paid by it. He's not a Knick's broadcast at
bangs and Jason that.
Speaker 1 (41:56):
Okay, you want to know, No, I don't. I'll tell you.
I will tell you probably why it wasn't a bang
or a double bang or a triple bank. I'll tell
you why why. I'm gonna tell you, tell you what?
Speaker 3 (42:08):
Tell me why?
Speaker 1 (42:10):
Generally tell me why? Why don't you go watch Michael CONFORDO.
It's the first hit he's had as a Dodger. Again,
go watch it, eighth inning hit. I've been kicked off.
Speaker 7 (42:19):
They now think he's a bot and he's looked at
it so frequently.
Speaker 1 (42:26):
Generally, generally with play by play guys, their best calls
like this come when it's the home team. If this
was if they were at home and Halliburton hit that shot,
or if it was the Thunder hit that shot, it
would have been a bang or a double bang. But
on the road, when the crowd is silent, it's just
a weird energy, so I think, and you feed off
(42:47):
the crowd in that situation. You got to create your
own energy. So I think that's more why he didn't
use a banger double bank. Who's the home team doing it?
Speaker 3 (42:53):
He would have done it, or he came over the
top and said Halliburton says, banke you to the Thunder.
Seven more made threes than the Thunder tonight, six fewer
free throws. I'll take that trade all day long. Only
eleven points scored off of all of those turnovers.
Speaker 1 (43:12):
The pacers are doing pacers things like that was I
can't get over I can't get over it, man, I
mean this is a it's a tough one man, all
of a sudden Game two is the NBA Finals for
the Thunder. Game two is the NBA Finals because the
PA they continue to do what they've done. They outscore
the Thunder thirty five twenty five in the fourth quarter,
an amazing ending to an NBA Finals game.
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Speaker 1 (00:29):
Greetings, Welcome inside, Happy Monday, The Jason Smith Show with
my best friend Mike Harmon.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
I'm not mad, uh huh, I'm just disappointed. Okay, Well,
it would be your team screwed me. I didn't tell
you to bet the n neck. No, they screwed me,
because tonight I tell you we should be right. I mean,
we still have Mets Dodgers, right, but we would have
had a game seven to where all of that. I'm fine,
I'm fine. I would have been tested on a high level. Yeah,
(00:59):
to say, your Las thing, Rossberg poking the bear and
Mary just wondering what the hell she got herself into,
and instead they go down like a bunch of I
was gonna use a word.
Speaker 4 (01:11):
I can't soft this soft ending.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
This is why I said everything was great, because all
they had to do was get to Saturday, and if
they win Saturday, great, Monday is.
Speaker 4 (01:23):
Going to be incredibly off the hook.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
And if they lose, it's over.
Speaker 4 (01:28):
Yeah, I was gonna say it.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
It's two days ago. It's like we're moving on. We
had other big things happening, as you said. We got
Mets Dodgers. Man. Yeah, I know, it's it's Tom It's
Edmund Bobblehead day, and we.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
Don't don't bring his name up. See what I did there,
I just brought you back to a world of hurt.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
Yeah, we got all kinds of great stuff. And the
next day it was two days ago. I can't believe
people still remember it was so long ago.
Speaker 5 (01:50):
Got hard to take him back to a world of hurt.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
Oh well, I mean, look, it's it's a constant reminder.
We've got it on on four monitors. I might put
out of my iPad just so we have five. Yeah,
you're gonna make him wear an l on all five?
Speaker 1 (02:04):
All five. Yeah. So because there's no game tonight now,
we put Mets Dodgers on every single television in the.
Speaker 5 (02:09):
Studio Mets owner Bubblehead night.
Speaker 4 (02:11):
It is, Yeah, Tommy, yeah, you know, I know.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
I'm telling this to Harmon before he goes, and I
walk in Harmon, you know, like like he can't just
come in and say hi, right, Harmon's got to come
in and just be a jerk right away. It was
a story. I go, hey, what's up. I don't even
get a hello Ian. I go hey, what's up? And
he goes, you know, it's Edmund Bobblehead night tonight, and
like I wanted to slug him, Like I think if
I hit you, nobody would say go because you know,
I didn't go to the World Series, not because of
(02:34):
show Hey o Tani, not because of Freddie Freeman, not
because of Mookie Bets. I didn't go because Tommy freaking
Edmund decides ten hits in ten runs, scored ten RBIs
in the NLCS. He gets a huge fifty million dollar
contract because a one seven day span where the guy
plays out of his shoes, And you wanted to bring
that up when you still had no idea how I
was after the knicks. I should have hit you. I
(02:54):
could have hit you. You could witfter the knicks. Well,
I was finding because it was good.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
I'm convinced that if you need it had a videotape.
I did say, hello, we exchanged some slight plays.
Speaker 4 (03:08):
First thing, you know, Edmund bubblehead. First thing he said out,
even because.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
His kid was warming up to throw out the pitch.
Why is it the first thing you need to tell me.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
You don't need to.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
I know it's about a kid.
Speaker 5 (03:20):
You could defense it's kind of important.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
It's not.
Speaker 5 (03:24):
It's not, it's an important detail.
Speaker 4 (03:26):
Started it's important?
Speaker 1 (03:31):
Is so uh so base?
Speaker 3 (03:33):
I mean I was going to an elevated form of conversation. Hey,
you know, and they're going to stick the needling you
here with the Edmund bobble.
Speaker 5 (03:40):
There's also the fact that on your side, if HR
were to find out about you slugging him for that,
I think they would understand.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
Yeah, no they would.
Speaker 5 (03:49):
One time you could have knocked his lights out.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
Oh he said that. Yeah, this is open and shut.
I'm sorry, mister Harmon, but we'll still validate your parking.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
But don't you love that they had Edmund Bobblehead night
for when the Mets are in down.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
We see what I've been going over the last like
three minutes, last three minutes, babble ahead night. Yeah, okay, yeah,
imagine I needed that's playing in the finals, so like
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Speaker 5 (04:29):
Yeah, the game has started looking everywhere? Man, Yeah, I
need some help. Well, what are you looking for?
Speaker 1 (04:35):
Justin? Can I help you with something?
Speaker 5 (04:36):
What time does the nickname sir?
Speaker 1 (04:38):
Yeah? Okay, you know, after after the Lakers completely flamed
out and threw up on themselves. Not once did I
say to you what times Laker game tonight? Not once
did I say that to you? Not one time?
Speaker 5 (04:50):
Oh, winning championships isn't easy.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
Not okay, listen, just because you last won five years
ago and we last won fifty two the little bit earlier,
just a little it earlier. It's not like jen Xers
are even gonna remember that. It was on the back
of the fish rap. What do you want? Yeah? Phil
Jackson won for US. Oh really yeah as a player, Yeah,
it was at seventy throwing some bonyolo. Did Phil win
(05:14):
when he took over?
Speaker 3 (05:14):
Is it? No? No? No?
Speaker 1 (05:16):
Did Phil coaching it?
Speaker 3 (05:17):
No?
Speaker 1 (05:17):
No, no, what he played for that when he took over?
It was one of the worst time ago, except for
it was one of the worst runs. Said, it was
a long time ago. Uh so that's where we sit
right now. Yes, Mets Dodgers on the way, big Civil
War night here. But let me say, because since you
wanted to do the Knicks and we had the open
for the Knicks, and I'm like, maybe I'm stupid thinking, oh,
(05:38):
by the time we get to Monday night, the games
like two days. No, no, no, what what else are
you gonna talk?
Speaker 4 (05:43):
I I'll tell you it is a big, big deal.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (05:47):
I honestly thought they were still playing. Here's maybe they
are somewhere kind of disappointed they're not.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
Maybe they're playing a scrimmage somewhere and they're teaching Karl
Anthony Towns how to play defense. Maybe that's what's happened,
And there could be we got a great pickup game
going again. Lakers have been there for months. They got
to be running the court right now. Yeah, it's odd
and great. It was the fact that it.
Speaker 4 (06:07):
Ends just like that with you still calm and level headed.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
Whatever. We didn't get this game seven. The whole thing is,
I'm watching the game game six, and I'm going, this
is every reason why I wasn't excited, why they had
to just get to get Look, all they did was
buy themselves an extra couple of days and win game three.
They win game five because I'm watching everything come home
to roost. They can't guard the Pacers get open threes,
They're making open threes. They can't keep up with the
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pace because they're terrible defensively. The Pacers have what five
fast break layups after Nick like, it was every It
was every reason why. I'm like all these people on
social media coming at me and go, oh, you know
what a real nick figure. No, I'm just realistic, man.
I know how it's gonna end, and you know what,
You'll be better off if you understand this is how
it's going to end. If they win, great, but understand
(06:54):
that they're not gonna get over and still as good
as I am right now, and I realize now I'm
getting little upset. I'm a little a little man, I'm
a little messed up, a little messed up here. No,
I'm much more okay than I expected because I thought
this is how it's going to end. They clearly weren't
the better team in this round. Indiana was one hundred percent.
Was the better team. Clearly they were. But the one
thing that keeps getting out every time I say I'm okay,
(07:16):
like I feel like I'm eighty five percent, but like
that fifteen percent from Game one, like that's never gonna
leave like that loss is and people understand that loss
is going to live for Everett Simmers under again, no
one in the history of the NBA ever blew a
loss like that nine points with fifty seconds left to go.
They only go back to ninety five. But I guarantee
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you no one did it before, because before there was
no three. People didn't make threes like they No, no, no,
nobody ever had done that. I mean, that's never going
to go away. Just when I thought, well, eventually they'll
stop show on the Reggie Miller the choke saying no, no,
we're just gonna show Halliburton making that shot and the
choke sign, and that's gonna just absolutely bleep and live forever.
Like that's just like the Reggie Miller thing is he
makes the shots, the three in a row in like
(07:58):
eight and nine seconds, eight point nine seconds and the
choke sign. Okay and nope, the same thing here. He
makes the shot then does the choke sign, and that's
what I did. Like that is never going away. Like
that is one of those things where it tags you
as a fan and you're like, boom, well I got it.
Oh no, you mean I can't remove the stinger Nope,
but stays in you. It's like when they track you
in one of those sci fi movies and the trackers stay.
You can't even cut it out with a knife. I
(08:19):
gotta cut this out. They know where we are. That's
how they're following us. Cut it out, use a knife. No,
there's no, you can't cut that out because that loss
never goes away. Now, last year losing when everybody got
hurt and Nenmark hits the miracle three, Okay, you know what,
I could let that go. I mean obviously, it's but
this this one that this stays in. This is like
in my bloodstream. Now, it's like eventually it's gonna activate
(08:40):
because I have I've gotten I gotten to my blood
cells now, and I mean it's like I'm a radioactive
spider like that that never leaves. That fifteen percent is
always gonna be there. I just have to manage it
now for the rest of my life. Well, depending on
which message board thread you read, that might be real.
Speaker 3 (08:55):
Anyway, Moving on the idea I'm cutting out, you just
can't cut But it got to the point where the
stat that you cited, the layups and fast breaks off
made baskets over ran the what was it, thirty to
ten or thirty to twelve fast break margin overall because
(09:16):
the incredulity of how are you falling asleep that poorly
after a made basket to where you don't have the
two seconds to start retreating.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
You were show hal Tani against the Yankees falling asleep
after made baskets like you are you are them?
Speaker 5 (09:30):
And hey, I'm out man, I'm tough to hit two
home runs.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
I Judge gave two runs and he gave you what
you came though. Now the other Max month see and now,
So it helps to not dwell on it with have
anything like you know, I'm not just gonna sit home
and watch cable television and you know, just be like
Ben Stiller at the end of Dodgeball, I'm just gonna
stay eating.
Speaker 4 (09:47):
Hey, you want something for the ride home? Here you
go my milkshake, rings on the bulls.
Speaker 5 (09:51):
Yeah, was that you Saturday night?
Speaker 3 (09:52):
Beyond?
Speaker 1 (09:53):
As far as you know, I get a chicken. But
I will say that because now moving on, right, like
what like what's next here? And I'm not knee jerk,
I'm not prisoner of the moment, but it's clear and
I've never seen a team in the Eastern Conference finals
that has had so many flaws exposed, Like you get to, okay,
we just missed. Well, retool for next year. Like you
(10:13):
could see that the Knicks were not near to what
the Pacers were, any team with any kind of depth,
And you get late in the playoffs and look at
what they did. Right, They're rolling guys off the bench,
and Matherin has a couple of incredible games, mccatton like
everybody's contributing, and the pace was just killing you. And
the bottom line is this, The Knicks defense was awful, right,
it was absolutely awful, And no matter how you cut
it up, you can't have Brunson and Towns playing at
(10:35):
the same time. Right, that's what's killed the Knicks because
Towns is a very bad defensive player. Brunson's bad too,
but Brunson's the franchise, right, Brunson's offensively is one of
the top five players in all of the NBA, right,
so he stays Towns the whole thing. The experience with
Karl Anthony Towns, it was fine, but it wasn't quite
what was expected. And I said this all through the
(10:55):
series that if they lose this, this is gonna be
Karl Anthony Towns in one year and done with the Knicks,
simply because they're gonna need some sort of adjustment to
get more athletic, to get better defensively, to take the
pressure off of Jalen Brunson, and he's the guy that's
gonna bring the most back in turn, because Karl Anthony
Towlens is a really talented player, right, really, but that
(11:17):
combination of him and Brunson it's just not gonna work. Right,
So that's why they had to put Mitchell Robinson in
the starting lineup. So this offseason he's gonna be dangled
out there and if the fit was great, I would say, well,
they'll figure things out and go. But you already have
anunobian Bridges who are really good perimeter defenders, and still
the Knicks looked like they were running in mud the
entire time because you need that big guy. You need
(11:38):
that big download that can be athletic, that can help
take the pressure off, and you just can't. You simply
just can't have both of them in the lineup at
the same time. Brunch is not going anywhere. So it's
gonna be talent, whether it is Yannis, whether it's somebody else,
whether it's a trade for a more athletic big or
or a playmaking forward and and a lesser role player
because you need other guys off the bench. But I'll
(11:59):
tell you what if I go to Vegas right now
but all my chips middle and say this is how
the Knicks fix it. Tip stays here. They are, they
weren't the best team. They gotta get better. They gotta
break up the big five that they have. And Town's
is gonna bring the most in return. He's gonna get
Delta in the offseason. And that's what the Knicks are
gonna bring in a playmaking forward. Someone's gonna be able
to be better down low potentially somebody off the bench,
(12:21):
which is you know, that's something you could do in
free agency, But Karl Anthony Towns is gonna be the
big ticket moved to bring mostly what they need.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
He's gonna be a really good franchise player for a
bottom rolling squad because you're gonna get a bunch of
parts and a would be superstar in return, because all
of the hey, he's gonna go to Milwaukee. If I'm Milwaukee,
I'm gonna reset with that. Let me give me, give
me a guy that's a two way threat in every
way shape and for him, and they honest and yeah,
(12:49):
let's bring back a guy that is a defensive liability
that no, and we're old and we're gonna bring in
a guy.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
No, this does not work.
Speaker 3 (12:57):
So he's gonna end up in the nether region for
one of these top up and coming guys that hasn't
gotten his second deal yet, plus a couple other parts.
Because depth is the name of the game here. And
as much as you may like the offensive game and
his ability at times like that twenty point fourth quarter
is as good as it gets, that's too sporadic, and
(13:18):
the inability to close out on the perimeter absolutely got
exposed time and time and time again.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
I'm telling you that Karl Anthony Towns is the guy
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(13:44):
Lindor do when he came up? I loved out.
Speaker 5 (13:46):
There's an actual MLB he hit a home run? Nothing, Oh,
Lindor hit a home run to start the game. Oh,
get lucky. But there's a rule in MLB. I don't
know if you heard this. Oh yeah, okay, you have
to spot the Mets four runs when they come to
your family.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
Okay, out with nobody already winning one nothing in a
runner on first, nobody out. Maybe we get to four
in this inning. That could happen.
Speaker 5 (14:05):
On it could happen this guy. I mean, if he
wasn't a met he would in the ground. That didn't
do a double play.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
But well, I mean look, I mean obviously you know
mon Soto's gonna do mon Soto thing.
Speaker 5 (14:15):
I mean, may put it there for him and hit
it over, So it would have been three to nothing.
Speaker 4 (14:18):
Okay, not my fault out of a home running with
a double play.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
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Speaker 1 (14:32):
Tabs tape.
Speaker 3 (14:38):
A long time ago, Oh, I remember a month ago
when we predicted it would happen.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
Oh, Tips, you had a job at this time yesterday.
Speaker 6 (14:57):
Maybe if you had unfolded your r had a jomp tip,
maybe you would want something else out the black wardrobe
you would haven't chopped.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
Or maybe if you would just bleep in one game
one against the Pacers, yo jobnh mabe.
Speaker 3 (15:19):
I'm just saying, maybe, Mike Harmon, that was slight. The
I heard the break screech. Now, let me tell you something,
top Tim and O. It was a full work up.
Get the crowd excited and then get.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
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of basketball headlines are we gonna have to get us
the game one of the NBA Finals, Enter the new
and Tom Thibodeaux fired after the Knicks best run in
the last twenty five years, losing in the Eastern Conference Finals. Now,
let me just say what Mike Harmon alluded to a
few moments ago. Okay, I am not surprised. We talked
(16:17):
about this a couple of weeks ago. I am not surprised. Right,
There's lots of different things. But the first thing I
will tell you is this, Right before you want to
dive into the roster and defense and Karl Anthony Towns,
and before you want to dive into and Who's Next
and all the stuff, all the 'ren our test and
metal World pieces side, I want to be that I'm
ready for the smoke. Right, What a campaign, dude. I'll
(16:40):
tell you the most fun well, the most fun thing
today was watching the Rockies win a series the second
most fun thing today was watching the number of people
who trended because fans were saying, what if this guy
was the knicks next head coach? Right, here's metal World peace,
here's Rick Patino. Come on, do what you do?
Speaker 5 (16:57):
Do it? Doc Rivers is out there.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
Don't don't you? Don't you say that? Come on, man, that.
Speaker 3 (17:08):
That would be the greatest thing for the man for
the furthering of the show during the long arduous run
that is the NBA regular season, to be able to
chronicle that on a day to day basis.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
At night, come on, I know you and I are
at Odds Frostburg with the Mets Dodgers coming up in
a few minutes. That's over the line, man that I
wouldn't wish Doc Rivers on you. I wouldn't risk Doc
Rivers on any but I'm pretty I wouldn't wish Doc
Rivers on the White Sox. That's how much I wouldn't
wish Doc Rivers on anybody.
Speaker 3 (17:38):
You know what?
Speaker 1 (17:39):
He might actually he got it.
Speaker 3 (17:41):
Although Venable is doing a pretty good job with a
bad roster, and they at least come out and fight
these days.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
But us fault fault, that's all his fall bring the
hometown kid, Doc Rivers home. Come on, let's go before
before you get to everything. There is a really there's
a really easy way that I think people are just
blowing past, which is what when? And you know why
the Knicks fired Tibbs today after their greatest season in
(18:07):
twenty five years. Think for a second, right outside, you know,
big NBA fans, we all watch Eastern Conference Finals. Yes,
the Knicks lost. It was really difficult. Their their flaws
were all exposed. But just think about being around the
Knicks for the last couple of days with this right,
the Knicks lose and it is heartbreaking. And not only
(18:29):
that they are not over a Game one that is
going down in the annals of NBA history as the
biggest blown loss in the history of the game. I
can't I can't overstate that enough. The Knicks loss Game one,
blowing a lead in the final minute that nobody in
the history of the game is blown. Right, we went
(18:51):
back and looked the record fourteen hundred and fourteen wins
and no losses and when the NBA was taken keeping
track of this right from the mid nineties, right, fourteen
fourteen to zero with a nine point lead, and fifty
seconds left to go on regulation. And you know what,
you know, a team has never blown a lead like
that even before that, because teams didn't hit threes for
the for the early part of the nineties and the eighties,
(19:12):
they didn't take that many shots. Before that, there was
no three point shot. So I guarantee you nobody in
the one hundred some odd years since since Nasmith said, hey,
cut the holes out of the peach basket, eased to
get the basketball back. Since that, no one has blown
a lead this decade. CLO. So yeah, this is an
all time worst loss in the NBA. This is a
(19:33):
loss that stays with the team and franchise forever. It's
Reggie Miller on steroids because this was Hey, at least
the Knicks won that series at Reggie Miller made the
choke sign. This was blowing Game one watching Halliburton's miracle
shot fall doing the choke sign. It is an all
time embarrassing Game one and series loss for the Knicks.
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You're naive if you think a team can just sit
there and say, well, we'll get him next year. We
didn't have a good roster. The Pacers were a better team. No,
some losses you can't come back from because they're just
that bad. Not all losses are created equal. Some losses
are worse than others. Some losses make the worst losses
look like a kid given out candy. This was one
(20:15):
of those Game one We've never seen it before, a
team has never had that happen. When something like that happens,
you can't just bring the guys back next year. You
can't just say, okay, roll it back, we'll make some
There needs to be repercussions. There needs to be fall up.
We told you after Game one if they lose this series,
the guys are gonna look at is gonna be Tibbs
and Karl Anthony Towns? And who are the guys? TIBs
(20:36):
and Karl Anthony Towns? All the Karl Anthony Towns criticism
the last few days, and now Tibbs gets fired today.
Sometimes a loss is just so bad you can't bring
Tibbs back because he's a memory and a reminder, an
every day walking institution of we blew that lead against
the Pacers, or we're gonna blow it again. You're gonna
see this in the playoffs every time a team is
(20:58):
up nine with a minute left to go. Reggie Miller's
gonna say, remember the Pacers next in twenty twenty five.
Reggie Miller's gonna be ninety eight years old, that like
thirty years from now, and it's gonna be saying, remember
when the Pacers did it back in twenty five with
Hella Burton. That's exactly how it's gonna go. You can't
bring him back. That's why I'm not surprised at all.
The TIBs got fired because this loss and then the
(21:19):
series loss was just so bad you have to start
anew You have to start and say, Okay, we gotta
move away from this because this is just gonna hang
over the franchise. I mean it's gonna hang over the
franchise enough already. But bringing back the same cast of characters,
it's like a cloud, like the cloud that follows pig Pen,
you know in the in the Peanuts, Like that's what's
gonna happen. And that's why the Knicks had no choice,
(21:40):
and I understand it. I'm not surprised with the fire
and Tims because some losses are just so bad you
have to move on and start new, and this is
one of those losses.
Speaker 3 (21:49):
I like that you said and the peanuts kind of
like you were going, it's not said, not just peanuts,
the peanuts.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
Look, it's it's the thing we've.
Speaker 3 (21:59):
Talked about for month is that you had eighty two
games to try to see what else was on the
roster instead of grinding out win in game fifty five, right,
fifty seven whatever. Middle of the season, Hey, you play
forty two. Well, at no point did you develop continuity.
We saw it exacerbated when Brunson had to leave a
(22:20):
game for a short period with an injury.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
It was like, they look absolutely lost. Right.
Speaker 3 (22:26):
You had several turnovers in a row, a couple of
shot clock violations, a lot of pointing as if it
was the Spider Man meme come to life.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
No continuity there.
Speaker 3 (22:37):
And so when all of a sudden you get to
the playoffs and it's like, all right, we need some depth.
Cat picked up his requisite too, silly foles early, so
we need to go to the bench. Oh wait, now
we can't use him because he can't play defense and
he's in foul trouble. All of those things to say,
it's an imperfectly structured roster. And we've been clear about
(22:57):
that talking about that the whole season for those that
live and die by Jason's Knicks fandom and Mets fandom,
but Knicks fandom, We appreciate you being part of the show.
That means you listen a lot if you get triggered
by it, So thank you. Just stay with us because
it's gonna it's gonna be a wild off season. But
(23:20):
for this move, you say, hey, congratulations on a job done.
Here's a giant pile of money to go out the door,
and you try to figure out what's next. The roster
is going to go through an overhaul, and Rose is
certainly on the under the microscope here as to what
kind of depth and where we're looking at for the
NBA and things changing with these two teams that'll square
(23:43):
off starting Thursday, when you're running ten sometimes eleven deep
right and fast break points and ability to get out
of that versus all right, slow the ball down and
take nothing from brunts, and you can decide whether you
want him on your top five in the game today.
Jason put that pull question out on air last week.
But it's just that idea of all right, how do
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you restructure this and what's the direction going forward? And
with Thibodeaux as the face, the gruff, non responsive in
many ways coach of this squad in New York. That's
just not gonna stand right. The expectation really went through
the roof after beating the hated Celtics, and that game
(24:27):
one loss will forever stain whatever legacy. Now Cat got
him fired twice so that we.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
Should remember that.
Speaker 3 (24:37):
It's like this guy again, all right, and you know
all all of the things we've talked about. You know,
you can only hide him so long, and defensively, that
was the reason he didn't fit with what Minnesota was
trying to do. And you thought you'd be able to
piece it together. But again, if you're only gonna run
six seven deep and you don't have big men on
(24:57):
the bench to spell adequately, uh, and you can only
cover up defensive lacking uh issues by Brunson and Cat
so long before you're exposed.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
And Indiana did it.
Speaker 3 (25:09):
So now it's to the next iteration of the Knicks.
And it was fun watching all the names. As you said,
the belly odds great. The betting odds had I think.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
Thirty five guys on it. Oh yeah, yeah, freight, where
we're done? Where was Stephen A. Smith. Where where was
he was he in the thing? Take no hold on
a second, Let.
Speaker 5 (25:26):
Me way behind, Doc Rivers.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
Oh he is no but look, but just think about
it because normally we see it with players.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
Right.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
Usually when when a manager oversees a collapse and a
team loses, it's a we collapsed over the course of
the end of the regular season. We collapsed in the playoffs,
and that's why coaches get fired. This is a one
series thing, but it had We've seen it. Sometimes you
don't realize you see it, but you do. I'll go
back to last year in Major League Baseball, right, so
let's me bring up pee A Lonzo's home run. Devin
(25:58):
Williams one of the best closers of Major League right,
one of the best. Now, he's hurt a little bit
last year, but guy gave up one home run all season.
He is as lights out a closer as there was. Right, fastball,
change up, that's all you needed, right, That's all Marianna
Rivera needed. But he gives up the big home run
to Alonso in the ninth inning of a game. The
Brewers had a two to nothing lead and they were
moving on to the NLDS and they gave up four
(26:19):
runs in the inning and they lost. Sometimes a loss
is so bad you couldn't bring him back, right, You
couldn't bring Devin Williams back. You couldn't bring the You
couldn't bring the guy back because it's just the loss
against the Mets would hang over. You don't know, is
he's still gonna be the same guy. He's gonna be
thinking about that loss. It's a daily reminder of the
home run because that home run was such a big deal.
(26:39):
It wasn't just hey, he gave up a home run.
They lost a game. This was ninth inning. Man, come in,
shut the door. It's a two run lead. It was
so bad the Brewers had to move on from him. Right.
It's not like he wanted a big contract. It's not
like there was a situation where he's gonna hit free
agency or where the Brewers knew we can't go, we
can't move on with him, and we have to deal him.
So they traded him to the Yankees. Right. I mean,
(26:59):
that's that's really why you It happens with players mostly
guys at miss field goals. Guys that give up big
home runs, got guys that that that melt down in
a pitching situation, right when when you Darvish couldn't come
back to the Dodgers after that big World Series melt
down and allegedly was tipping pitches like that's it, Like,
you can't come back after this. Usually it's players, but
(27:22):
this was such a big deal and and you know
where are you gonna go? You can't bring the head
coach back because that's too much a reminder of how
bad things were. And you just need a fresh start,
no matter who it is. You'd a fresh start with
this team and go forward because it's young, you're building.
And again that's why I'm not surprised at all that
this happened.
Speaker 3 (27:40):
It's the negative part of being the face of the franchise.
They become the face of the franchise, futility in fifty
two years, the foff as it were.
Speaker 5 (27:53):
Jason all that said, he got fired because the nick sucked.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
The stop we were there were three teams left and
we were one of them. We were in the final three.
Speaker 5 (28:01):
We're going to the finals, and we told you no, no, no,
you got to you're not getting past the pacers.
Speaker 1 (28:06):
All right ready, stephen A is sixty to one sixty
to one. Doc Rivers, Really, he's not on.
Speaker 3 (28:11):
The short list. I'm looking at here. I got Johnny
Bright from the She's not the favorite.
Speaker 5 (28:16):
Find a new list.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
Wait, stephen A. Smith has shorter odds than Doc Rivers. No,
at least from Bravada what they had put up earlier then.
Speaker 3 (28:26):
Well, I mean they also had Patrick Ewing at plus
nine point fifty with Sam Cassel and Mike Budenolzer. Oh wow, okay,
all right, all right, Mark Jackson at fourteen to one.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
Okay, Jeff Van Gundy return at twenty five to one.
Where's stephen A? What do you think of the What
do you think of the Knicks performance tonight? You know,
they're they're three and one, their first loss of the season.
It was appalling. It was atrocious. It was depressing. It
was disgusting, distressing, it was frightful. It was ghastly. It
was horrifying. It was shocking. It was ugly. It was unpleasy.
(29:00):
It was abominable. It was repulsive, it was unsightly, it
was grungey, it was deplorable like that. I mean, I
want to see that, just to see the post game Prescott.
Speaker 3 (29:09):
I think that's also how he described the press release
in which they announced this instead of having the guts
to do it personally.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
So I'm telling you reason number one. That's why. Sometimes
there's sauces. You just can't come back from that.
Speaker 5 (29:21):
And they sucked.
Speaker 2 (29:22):
You know what.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
You know what, Crosberg, Your Lakers were watching the playoffs
for like a month on Magic Johnson's yacht before the
Knicks got eliminated.
Speaker 5 (29:30):
Sometimes we got to take a year off.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
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Speaker 1 (29:39):
Game one of the NBA files the Thunder in control,
but the Pacers slowly cutting into their lead throughout the
second half a big run. They trail the Thunder right
now one ten to one oh nine, with twenty two
and a half seconds left to go. The most previous
play is being reviewed after a miss by the Thunder.
(30:00):
Pascal Siakam goes for the ball and he grabs it
but is bumped into it, or it is going for
it with another Thunder player and Siakam grabs it but
he falls out of bounds. He screams for a foul
and Rick Carlyle they went looked the replay called the
time out wants them to look at it. So they're
looking at this because you could see Carlyle say that's
(30:21):
a foul. That's a blanket foul. Man. You see him saying,
I've seen the replay a few times. This is not
a foul, right, it's it's it's it's not it's not
a foul, right you you watch them, but both of
them are going for the ball, right, you got you got?
Wallace is going for it. Saams going for it. And
Wallace just puts his arm out and swats the ball
(30:44):
when already has it, doesn't touch him, doesn't touch him,
and Siakam just loses his balance and goes out of bounds.
I I don't know how you call this a foul.
Speaker 3 (30:52):
I really don't he get called it at the beginning
of the play when he grabs his wrist to keep
him underneath the basket. Listen all the way back that
physicality going into the corner. But the prior couple of
possessions for Indiana, it was like, unless you drew blood,
you were not getting a phone call.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
Yeah it was. Yeah, they're definitely like there, definitely, even
though both it feels weird because it's like both teams
have been to the free throw line a ton in
the fourth quarter, but it feels it also feels like
they're letting them play. It's a it's a weird thing
going on right now. It's like, oh, go to the
free throw line, but they're letting them play. We're gonna
get the call right now. Again, I'd be really surprised
if if it gets reversed, but hey, you never know.
(31:29):
It is the NBA Finals and and uh, you know,
seven game series is great, but it looks like they
are keeping the call as is. Yes, Thunder Thunder fans
are celebrating Siakam was the last one to touch it,
and honestly, it's the right call, right unsuccessful challenge. I
get why they did it right, They had to do it,
and you know, but here's the thing is, you know,
when when when players make that move and and and
(31:53):
you get caught up in a moment of hey, this
is our you know you kind of had to do
it there, but wow, sometimes you're a player, you can't
just say challenge, challenge, challenge. You have to understand that, well,
we got to make sure it's the right play, and
you know, quite simply, this was a ball that went
out of bounds, and the officials make the right call
with the Thunder.
Speaker 3 (32:12):
Well rise to the level, Jason, and the answer is
there's contact, but is it enough? The answer is no,
and Tyre's Halliburton.
Speaker 1 (32:22):
Oh my goodness, Oh my goodness, Oklahoma City misses a shot.
The rebound goes to Indiana. Indiana dribbles down court. They
look like they're in trouble. They look like they're in
trouble because Halliburton can't penetrate. He finally finds his way
(32:43):
free on the right side and he puts up a
fifteen footer that falls. It gives the Pacers the lead.
They're checking to see if there's time left on the clock.
Like Halliburton, there's four seconds left. He's being guarded at
mid court and he steps in the steps inside the
three point line and he hits a shot. And they're
(33:03):
looking to see how much time is left on the
clock for the Oklahoma City Thunder. It looks like looks
like three tenths of a second, so they're gonna get
to inbound the basketball. But my goodness, man, this this
Indiana Pacers team just will not die in a night
where Halliburton has had a game where he's only got
fourteen points. This really has been something. This has been
(33:26):
along the lines with everything the Pacers have done, the
big comebacks in the first round, beating the Cavs, the
way they did Game one against the Knicks, like this
is kind of what the Pacers do. And Halliburton hits
the big shot when it looked like they were in
trouble and things were gonna go absolutely south of the Pacers,
and now it looks like they're gonna win Game one,
one eleven ten. So does he get to go and
(33:48):
steal the clutch trophy from your guy Brunson or what?
Speaker 6 (33:51):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (33:52):
I don't think you can call him any much. I
don't think he'll call him over rated. I don't think
any players do that.
Speaker 3 (33:57):
I told you he had the extra motivation from having
that attempt to go snatch the Larry Bird Trophy and
then Pascal Siakam's name being announced, so you know, motivation
for the next round. But once again, you hang around
second or in the fourth quarter six of ten from
three point range? Are the Pacers the Thunder zero for five?
(34:19):
SGA misses that big shot on the Thunder's last possession
for Haliburton fourteen ten and six and a plus twelve.
Speaker 1 (34:28):
What a disaster this is gonna be for the thunder
What an absolute disaster. Game one, they control it most
of the way.
Speaker 7 (34:35):
It sounds like the next series game s yeah it
this looks like the next SGAA ever recover eight seven
seven SGA playing the role of Jalen Brunson right with
thirty eight points and ah, you don't really get what
you need out of Jalen Williams and chet Holm, grind
and Alf, but you get a couple of other performances.
Speaker 1 (34:51):
And here come the pacers who just absolutely wear them down.
They hit their threes right eighteen for thirty nine from
three point range. It's what keeps them in this game.
And Halliburton again hits a shot in which it looked
like he was absolutely stuck. And you know, I gotta
say the the calm, the grace under pressure, under fire
that Halliburton has is just I can't get over it.
(35:15):
Where there's plays that other players, other clutch players would
absolutely melt and panic and look for a ball, look
for a pass. He just finds a way, finds a
little bit of space and hits a shot We've seen
him do a time after time after time. I give
him all the credit in the world. And they're gonna
win a game that I didn't think they could win again.
One eleven, one ten. Right now, three tenths of a
(35:37):
second left to go, Oklahoma City will inbound the basketball
from the PACER's side, so they get a chance for
one last alley oop tip, some kind of quick toss up.
But it looks like this is going to mean other
than a miracle, and it seems like the Pacers have
the run on miracles. This is gonna wind up being
a Pacers stealing Game one from the Thunder.
Speaker 3 (35:57):
Hey run that Gordon play run yeah Gordon. Oh, so
that one that worked against us, just exactly what they
kind of tried to do. But the Pacers take the
one eleven, one ten victory as the inbound gets tipped away. Jason,
you know, we watched the first half and with the turnovers,
final turnover count twenty four to six. But one of
(36:22):
the things we were talking about the series was that
you do have a bunch of defenders, you do have depth.
For Indiana, they kept Oklahoma City. They shot under forty
percent for the game. They shot under forty percent for
the game. Did not take care of the basketball with
all the turnovers that they caused. Good transition defense by
(36:44):
the pacer, something you got used to seeing against the Knicks.
So they go into OKC and they steal one. Man,
did they just just take it? This is a very
violent fashion.
Speaker 1 (36:54):
This is just disaster. It's absolute disaster for Oklahoma City.
Like they get a little lost on the final play,
Like Halliburton kind of slides to the side and Wallace
is on him, and and Caruso kind of comes up
leaves Seakam because he doesn't want to have that little
slide past to Seakam.
Speaker 3 (37:13):
But then yeah, he retreats back instead. Yeah, yeah, not recognize.
I guess with the clock because if he passed at Sam,
they don't have a they don't have time. Yeah, and
Halliburton hit. Halliburton hits the shot.
Speaker 1 (37:25):
And I will say this because I know you don't
want to foul, but wow, in a game in which
in which they were letting you play down the stretch,
Wallace was was given Halliburton way too much room, Like
you gotta know you gotta have that body clock, knowing
how much time is left, knowing that I gotta be
close to him because he's not going to drive past
me and get to the hoop. That's not gonna happen.
(37:46):
And he definitely, you know, he gave him a a
little bit too much rooms. He gets up a clean shot.
So I mean, look, Halliburton makes the play. But the
one thing I will say is that man Wallace kind
of gave him a little bit too much room there.
Let him go up with a clean shot. Man Ada
was something steady, hack and stick it.
Speaker 5 (38:03):
You are going to apologize to Tyres Haliburton?
Speaker 1 (38:06):
Am I gonna apologize what I say? He got?
Speaker 5 (38:08):
He got lucky last round?
Speaker 1 (38:11):
When did what you did? I say these things had? Yes?
Speaker 3 (38:15):
Game one?
Speaker 1 (38:16):
Come that shot?
Speaker 5 (38:17):
This is it? Is it?
Speaker 7 (38:18):
Really?
Speaker 1 (38:18):
Luck? Come on the end of games one? Bounced it
off the back, bounces off the back of the rim,
up in the air and back through. No, that's long.
Speaker 5 (38:25):
You want the face of the league forget sgsluck.
Speaker 1 (38:27):
Yeah yeah, yeah. Now now it's Haliburton who's making all
Did you see the metal stand they just put up
to win a game end of regulation or ot Since
nineteen ninety seven, Lebron James with eight shots and then
tied with five are Reggie Miller and now Tyree's Halliburton.
Speaker 3 (38:44):
See how quickly they got that stat together, Like we said,
my and research staffs get it done.
Speaker 5 (38:51):
Like how big of an underdog were the Pacers today?
Speaker 1 (38:53):
They were nine and a half for ten.
Speaker 3 (38:55):
Yeah, depending on when you you started to dive in
I think it got out to ten and a half
as you got closer to tip off, a little bit
of late money and big bets coming in on OKC
to take care of business at home, which they they
did for three quarters.
Speaker 5 (39:10):
Haliburton is a dog.
Speaker 1 (39:12):
I mean, you know, you want to look, you want
to look at something and a couple of keys to
this game. Right, the Halliburton shot is insane, and we're
gonna we're gonna continue to talk about that. But you
look at the rebounding advantage the Pacers had. They had
four starters with at least nine rebounds in the game, right,
they had a fifty six to thirty nine rebound advantage,
(39:33):
and and yeah, the twenty four to six turnover advantage.
But they didn't turn those twenty four turnovers into enough
points or was it eleven points off? The twelve points
off of twenty four turnovers? Like that's why this is
an as. This is just a disaster for the Thunder.
Like it's game one. We're here, we're at home, we're
the better team, we have the MVP, we play better defense,
(39:55):
we control the entire first half, and then we just
get law in the second half. Whether because this would
not like the Pacers had some crazy comeback where they
hit all of their threes. No, they hit a bunch
of threes like they normally do. But you know, eighteen
out of thirty nine. Okay, you know it's it's you know,
it's forty five percent of your threes, all right, But
this was still a game where it's not like the Thunder.
(40:16):
It stopped scoring. It's not like the Thunder. It all
of a sudden hit the skids and and somehow the
I mean, the Pacers just do this. Man, when you
think they're dead, they find a way to stay in
it at the end all three rounds of the playoffs.
Like it's not like when Halliburton's got the ball, I'm
saying to myself, I'm talking. I'm saying, he's gonna hit
this shot. He's gonna hit wherever it is, He's gonna
put it out. It's gonna it's gonna bounce off the
(40:37):
front of the rim, and then it's gonna bounce off
of somebody's head, and then a bird is gonna fly
by and it's gonna hit the bird. It's gonna fall
through the bottom of the net, and the Pacers are
gonna win.
Speaker 3 (40:45):
You're picturing, Neil what they do Michael Jordan, Larry Bird
Horse commercials from McDonald's right.
Speaker 1 (40:52):
I was actually the yeah, no, I was thinking more
than the Danny Rojas the penalty when he when he wow, okay,
they hit the dog on the pedal. Well you know,
I mean, look, it's is this is what the pacers
do that they it's the pacers doing pacer things. Okay, okay, sorry, good.
Here's how it sounded just a couple of moments ago.
(41:14):
Tyre's Halliburton's game winner for the Pacers. Patis will a
chance to win it, final seconds, no foul, so Halliburton looking,
Halliburton driving, pulls off jump shots with three tons for
the second remating time out. Okay, see Tyrens Halliburton does
it again. Mike Bring ESPN ABC on the call. Disappointing
(41:41):
Burton shot, uh, where's the bang? Bang?
Speaker 5 (41:43):
Where's the title for a shot like that?
Speaker 1 (41:46):
No, I think you only use bangs for the Knicks.
I don't think I think it's any he's.
Speaker 7 (41:49):
Getting paid by it. He's not a Knick's broadcast at
bangs and Jason that.
Speaker 1 (41:56):
Okay, you want to know, No, I don't. I'll tell you.
I will tell you probably why it wasn't a bang
or a double bang or a triple bank. I'll tell
you why why. I'm gonna tell you, tell you what?
Speaker 3 (42:08):
Tell me why?
Speaker 1 (42:10):
Generally tell me why? Why don't you go watch Michael CONFORDO.
It's the first hit he's had as a Dodger. Again,
go watch it, eighth inning hit. I've been kicked off.
Speaker 7 (42:19):
They now think he's a bot and he's looked at
it so frequently.
Speaker 1 (42:26):
Generally, generally with play by play guys, their best calls
like this come when it's the home team. If this
was if they were at home and Halliburton hit that shot,
or if it was the Thunder hit that shot, it
would have been a bang or a double bang. But
on the road, when the crowd is silent, it's just
a weird energy, so I think, and you feed off
(42:47):
the crowd in that situation. You got to create your
own energy. So I think that's more why he didn't
use a banger double bank. Who's the home team doing it?
Speaker 3 (42:53):
He would have done it, or he came over the
top and said Halliburton says, banke you to the Thunder.
Seven more made threes than the Thunder tonight, six fewer
free throws. I'll take that trade all day long. Only
eleven points scored off of all of those turnovers.
Speaker 1 (43:12):
The pacers are doing pacers things like that was I
can't get over I can't get over it, man, I
mean this is a it's a tough one man, all
of a sudden Game two is the NBA Finals for
the Thunder. Game two is the NBA Finals because the
PA they continue to do what they've done. They outscore
the Thunder thirty five twenty five in the fourth quarter,
an amazing ending to an NBA Finals game.
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