April 25, 2025 • 40 mins
On tonight’s edition of The Jason Smith Show with Mike Harmon, the guys break down all the action from the first round of the 2025 NFL Draft, highlighting the biggest winners and losers of the night! Former Colorado QB Shedeur Sanders surprisingly falls out of the first round, while the Giants steal the spotlight with a stellar performance, earning the title of Round 1’s biggest winners. All that and more in Hour 1 of The Jason Smith Show with Mike Harmon!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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(00:30):
Happy Thursday, Happy NFL Draft night. Yeah, the Jason Smith
Show with my best friend Mike Harmon. I'm gonna ask
man true, the first thirty two picks of the draft
are in the books.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
We'll get to it in a second.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
One, two, three, four, Hey he actually does count that high?
Speaker 2 (00:50):
Can't can't do that?
Speaker 1 (00:51):
Time? Eighteen?
Speaker 3 (00:52):
There go?
Speaker 1 (00:53):
Yeah, okay, is he the official counter? Did you guys
use him during the draft show? But something first We
had talked about all week, maybe for a week and
a half leading up to it, when we knew it
was going to happen. Great NFL Draft live show. We
just had Jenny Taft, Jay Glazer, LeVar Arrington and former
(01:16):
Jets GM Joe Douglas, who I got to meet. There
will be a video put up on five Sports Radio
Twitter account very soon, and I don't want to spoil anything,
except I will say this. I can no longer drink
the diet coke that I had in my hand when
I walked in.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
You will see why. You'll see why. We'll tell you
when it goes up being edited right now, be put together.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
We got to meet Joe Douglas, got to talk to him,
and and I'm on the air and everything is fine.
So it didn't seem like there was great animosity, or
at least he hit it well if he had, anything
could be for you. Very nice man. Great job by
Jenny and LeVar and Jay and Joe. I mean, I
was just fantastic. Listen throughout. Obviously Jay is the information
(02:04):
man of information man, but Jenny running point uh and
seamlessly through the thirty two picks a lot of moving parts,
add the trades right off the jump, chaos. I'm texting you.
It was like, well, it's all happening. It's all happening
just as we thought. Uh, unless it didn't uh still
the same order, just jumble the insignias a little bit. Yeah, Look,
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I was I was a little nervous. I didn't know
how it was gonna go it coming in and okay,
and you know here he is former GM and the
Jets and also talk about the Jets. What are we
gonna how's it gonna go? And and I think, well,
I don't, I don't. I don't know that he'll he
would talk to me again. But but maybe that's a
you know, we kinda.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
Gotta let the video you go.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
I mean we all just kind of get back, let
you do your thing. Uh, there was no judgment past. Yeah, no,
that's true. That's true. We're all mired, you know in
our own little conversations. What did your team do? How'd
you like my team? How was the dry? Then? What'd
you do with your extra hour while you were listening
to draft coverage? Might have laid down and then get
(03:08):
your draft coverage? Sure, second screen experience. I made all
those kind of things. But you got to meet Joe Douglas.
I mean, I know it's been an ambition going on
many a year. I have I still have like five
or six questions for him. So when we have a
return bout, we won't have any no fanboy things, journalistic
(03:30):
question Listen, listen the next babe, it'll be legit and
next week it will be legit.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
This was how you know this is?
Speaker 1 (03:36):
I don't know, it's a It was kind of like
I thought the the the atmosphere is kind of like
a wig in before a box.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
That's kind of where I was a little bit thought
you were gonna get hit.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
I mean, well, and I'm playing a lot of conversations
on the side and then tell you guys in the middle, I'll.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
Tell you what man. I walked in and I'm like, whoa.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
Joe Douglas is way bigger than I am. Wow, this
would not even be closed. That was something that stood
out fast. He was he was sitting in the in
the in the seat right here in the studio or
watching him coming in, and I'm you know, I'll tell
you there's here's a teaser. I'm wearing a Jets hoodie.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
You know. I had to do it for a meeting.
Joey not come in.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
I see everybody, everybody stands up, and Joe stands up
and it's one of those when when people stand up
and they don't really need to move their feet because
their feet are already on the ground. And I'm like,
oh wow, Wow, he's a big dude, Wow, okay, all right,
then okay what uh uh okay?
Speaker 2 (04:27):
And then I met Joe Douglas.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
See, here's the thing, me being the five foot seven
fire plug of a man that I am. Everybody's tall. Yeah,
so the extra two inches here there, it doesn't really matter, right,
the difference between a six foot or and a seven
foot You're all tall. I'm looking at yeah, and I say,
you are not you, But you know people six feet
are taller that you're. You're all giants relative to me,
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So you know that that extra bit. But I could
see the fear in your eyes that if things went badly,
he had reach and could take you out hundred percent. Yeah,
hundred percent, one hundred percent. I I mean I I
mean the gun show, it was there, he was you know,
you were bit into. I like to think I'm prepared
for any circumstance. That was one when he stood up,
I was like, oh, wow, this.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
Is where you're bad.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
First step really could have cost you, really could have
been problem. Jason Smith Mike Harmon post NFL Draft show
here and what a first round we had. We had
fireworks early, but the biggest story, crazily because this is
the NFL right as Jay Glazer likes to shave that say,
the greatest reality show in the history of the world
(05:34):
is the NFL, and all the conversation is about a
guy that didn't get taken tonight, and that Shador Sanders,
who was still on the board. Mel Kuiper's number one
quarterback is still on the board going into the beginning
of the second round. You decided you had to throw
shade at Mel Kiper. No, because here's the thing. I
think he was a big deal when he felt so
bad for Mel, because I told you, I know, I
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know Mel for a long time. I haven't talked to
in a few years, but when I was on ESPN,
we talked all the time. And he comes out right away,
Chadoor Sanders my number one quarterback on the border and
he just falls all the way through the first round
Chador Sanders and Kuiper's talking about in other quarterbacks. I'm going, oh,
I just I just feel bad at this point because
here here's Mel Sander. Is that No, there's a pic.
It's not your door, Nope, not your door, Nope, not
(06:17):
your door, Nope, not your door. And then there well
you could speak of it with conviction Jason and in
the end you may have your evaluation on a player.
That just means thirty two groups of people disagreed with you.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
Yeah, it's true.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
If there was thirty three, they might they might have
been with you. Yeah, I mean that's all thirty three
all you need.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
It was one.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
You needed one more there Now before we get into
the slide, there is no like if you said to me, hey,
what Schadoor Sanders like, like if you can you can
encapsulate Chaudeur Sanders in one ten second clip, I would
say to you absolutely what we saw tonight when ESPN
went to their first commercial break and Chador Sanders hadn't
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been taken yet, right they they had the first couple pics.
We had the big trade with the Jaguars and the Browns,
which we'll get to in a few and you hear
Mike Greenberg saying, hey, coming up and Shador Sanders. Of course,
where is he gonna go? And they cut to his
draft party or the where he's going to be, and
it's a wide shot of a couch that's got two
pillows that say legendary on them behind him. In all
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different kinds of script and font are all words describing
Shadoor Sanders, it says legendary, it says perfect timing everywhere,
which I think is a really great troll job.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
Right, he doesn't play on time. That was a big thing.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
Manah, the unnamed coach said yesterday, Sor Sanders doesn't play
on time, and he's got perfect timing and money signs everywhere,
all of this and huge font behind the couch and
he's not in the camera. Nobody is on camera. It's
an empty shot of the couch that is Shadoor Sanders.
That is so on brand that I can't I can't
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even tell you. It's absolute perfection. This is this is
a guy who is so full is so he's full
of himself, He's full of what he can do, he
is full of confidence. He has it all going on, right,
all of this. And then at the same time, now
I'm not gonna be on camera because you don't need
to see me on camera because I call the shots. Meanwhile,
(08:12):
maybe it's about you're not gonna see me on camera
the entire night, free falling through the first round of
the draft.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
But that is so on brand.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
Here's how I feel about my own abilities and how
my team feels about my abilities. And then when they
take the shot, the wide shot, there's nobody in it
like whether that was by designed, But that I said,
that is that is Shador Sanders. That encapsulates him to
a t What does it mean to be him that
right there? Yeah? I mean you saw the tweet that
was put up before the draft. I mean I sent
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a thing to you and our guy Justin Frossberg, who
is producing the draft, show all the kind of novelty
prop bets that had been out there, one of which
Shador Sanders had allegedly changed his phone number. So there
was a prop bet of whether teams couldn't get a hole. Yeah, yeah,
because he changed his phone, Like that's how things got.
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And then he had that little rubber room with as
you described it, with all of those kind of like
something out of Jared Leto's joker, Right, I'm telling me,
tell me that wasn't exactly not right there that you
couldn't have seen his ass sitting on that throne right there.
So all of that and a lot of build up,
and even when the Giants traded up to get Jackson Dart,
there was the shot back to the SPEs the Sador
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Sanders Hey, So I'll take being right about that the
Giants were going to trade back into the first round
for quarterback. It was a different quarterback, but I said
twenty five to thirty, you said there was gonna be one,
and there it was gonna.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
Be an insider.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
But I will say this to be to be to
be serious and take this to it to a point.
I am absolutely shocked. I really I am, And this
is you and I have been doing this for a
long time. We've been in sports for a long time.
There are stunning stories, there are stories that shock you.
But as you do this for a while, stuff becomes
less shocking. Then it becomes more whoa jarring for a
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few minutes, and then you understand right, just because you
do this for a long time. I am shocked that
he fell all the way through the first round. I
am stunned that he did not get taken. That the
fall didn't stop at nine, didn't stop somewhere at fifteen
with someone training up, didn't stop with the Steelers twenty one,
didn't stop with anybody coming back into the first round
to get him. I am stunned that this is a
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guy that is that good. How whatever you feel about him.
Oh maybe he's not. Is he not one of the
top two picks? Okay, But now it's like someone's gonna
get an absolute bargain with Shador Sanders early in the
second round. Maybe now it's the Browns. We're gonna say, hey,
look at us, man, we're winning. Did we made the
big trade? We got this, We're gonna get our quarterback?
Like Shador Sanders is really good. And I know that
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people get caught up in minutia and teams were afraid
to pick him. You get turned off by whatever happens
in the interviews. You look at tape, you wonder how
good he really is. When a quarterback's gotta be a
gut feel and we've watched him all the things we've
said about him for the past couple of years. He's tough,
he delivers the ball, he's got confidence. There's other stuff
you don't like. I understand. So maybe that prevents you
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from going number one or number two, But to prevent
you from going in the first round, yeah, I think
it's personal a little bit. And I you know, Dion's
right when he says, hey, you know, if his name
wasn't Sanders, it wouldn't happen. If his name was Manning,
he'd be going number one overall. I understand that. But
that's finely good. I mean, it's track record when you
look at the Mannings and look, arch still has a
(11:23):
lot to prove. Right, we can put him on all
the mock drafts all we want for two years from now.
Guess what if he sucks, They're not drafting. He's not
gonna be number one just because his surname's Manning. But
the fact that you know, Archie was a damn fine
player on a terrible team and got bludgeted for years,
and then Peyton became what he did and Eli for
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alls halts. He's a Hall of Famer just no matter when, right,
a couple of Super Bowls you move on. So, yeah,
there's some trust there. And one of the things being
the surname of Sanders. Though he's never been coached by
anybody other than Dion, Yeah, which doesn't help.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
Right.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
We've talked about it from youth sports, uh, you know
in perspective, you know, as as you were coaching your
daughter whatever, it was something you were concerned about. And
it's something we've certainly watched other friends, family members have
to deal with at some point there's understand there's the
brains that hand do so since he's now finishing college
and hasn't had that, you know, it becomes the all right,
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who and with Dion being the invisible hand. As much
as you can say he's hands off, he's not.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
No, he's not.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
There's still the tentacles, which means you've got to have
a coach who's willing to deal with whatever that is.
It's drafting, it's drafting Lonzo Ball knowing that. Okay, LeVar
Ball came with it, and look what happened. And people
see this, they see the recent history in sports and okay,
we did that. Is it worth it? Is it not?
But now he's a bargain, right.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
That's the thing.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
Now, Shador Sanders is a bargain because now he's a
first round talent, a top first round town. Look, the
the analysts don't have it wrong. Again, it does seem
a little personal because I've never seen criticism so over
the top about how we don't like this guy, which
I'm like, okay, you know what, Really everybody loved Baker
Mayfield and a swagger, really loved it, loved it.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
Loved Yes, some teams loved it.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
I'm sure.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
I'm sure some teams hated it.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
I'm sure some teams didn't like the swagger other guys,
because we've heard stories of other guys and all these
other guys. We talked about it with a little bit yesterday,
and something we we've broached a few times over the
last month is that how much of that becomes the interviewer.
I can't tell you how to feel. Right. If I'm
answering a question, you can decide I'm either confident or
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now I'm talking down to you, or I'm you know,
not respecting you. Right that how you feel about something, tone, verbiage, choice,
whatever is is on you as much as it. I mean, look,
I should you know the the niceties of it all. Sure,
you go through it, but in the end, I can't
tell you how you feel. And that's part of what
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I think with Shador Sanders and with other players, I'm
always curious. I'd love to be a fly on the wall, right,
what was that extanume like and how much was you
decided to read into something that really wasn't there or
might have been there a little bit. But it's exacerbated
by your own situation right. But because it wasn't like
there were three guys that came out. There was a
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few teams that said that, you don't know if part
of it is the strategy of I really don't want
to go to this team, so I'm going to put
this out there. But when enough of that gets out there,
you know it's not just a one off.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
It's a thing.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
And let we talked about it last night. It's a
job interview and you're trying to sell yourself and you
don't want people to not give you a job. And
that's kind of what happened. Team said, Okay, we're not
ready to give you. We're not ready to turn our
franchise over you for a first renp pick now, I
mean unless you and you really don't want to go
back to work, but you got to check a box
and get someone deciding. But now, second round, the Browns, Okay,
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see now you'll know if the Browns are tanking or not.
If they take Shadora Sanders in the party, you'll know
if they're tanking. We're staying away. It's okay, what are
you really gonna do? But I mean that's the whole
thing is that it's it's it's gone from he's overrated
to now he's a bargain. And it really it shows
you that teams can get well too caught up in
themselves when it comes to evaluating a guy, and you
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need that that that minute to step back and say,
are we really evaluating him the right way? Are we
really looking at him the right way? Too? Right? I
mean we we watched it throughout the rounds, like, all right,
guy with injury issues, A couple of guys that have
some some red letters in the the personnel file of
things they've done off the field and things buzzing around
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them there. And but if because if you get it
wrong with the quarterback, especially with the surname of Sanders
in this case, yeah, you're the guy that's probably being
shown the door. So you go with the safer pick,
you know, you take the double instead of swinging for
the home run exit. How about a Fresca swollen dome.
The Jason Smith Show with Mike Carmon Live our post
(15:49):
NFL Draft show coming up next. Yes, we have a
lot to get to tonight. We'll talk about the trade
that rock the draft. Was it great for the Browns?
Was it great for the Jaguars. Was it just okay
for both of them? Draft? Was it maybe a little
bit less than just okay?
Speaker 2 (16:10):
That's next Jason and Mike Fox.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Jason Smith
Show with Mike Harmon weekdays at ten pm Eastern, seven
pm Pacific Fox Sports Radio The Jason Smith Show with
My best friend Mike Harmon. Uh So, my meeting with
Joe Douglas is now up on Twitter. Oh, let's go
at Fox Sports Radio. I retweeted it out.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
It is there.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
You can see it. You'll see why I could never
drink the rest of this diet coke ever. Gotta save
it forever now, can't sell it on a eBay. I
gotta sold onto it. Where's it signed again?
Speaker 2 (16:43):
Side?
Speaker 1 (16:43):
Well? Well, it's yeah, I gotta I gotta look at
I actually had a well you gave me, you gave
me the silver, you gave me, no hands silver pen
he signed the silver neverbod You know, people have to
go watch it, just have to go. It's like any
any signing you go to, you got to you got
a point. Once did that with Ryan's Sandberg on this
giant print. I was getting signed for a friend, right
it was the first night game of Wrigley Field and everybody.
(17:06):
I bought it and it had a huge thing. Everybody
signed and they left second base open the area so
Ryan Sanfercan signed it there. I had to point to
the damn thing four times. Yeah, he kept wanting to
sign it in center field, like, dude, dude, there there.
I paid a premium do I'm not putting an X
on it, but just follow where my finger is.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
Man, Come on, you could have done the same.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
Uh So again up on social media at Fox Sports
Radio on Twitter, it's we've got.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
To be got to talk to him in between the shows.
It is great.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
When he was leaving doing the show tonight, the Draft
show us coming in. Yeah, and you know they always say,
never meet your heroes. You seem pretty happy.
Speaker 3 (17:43):
I was.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
I was kind of.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
It was kind of fun. But again the big dude
big like like wow, like there you go. All right,
all right, it's up at Fox Sports Radio at how
about a fresco at Swollen Doom. I just retweeted it.
Check it out. So we'll have more onch of Door
Sanders coming up. He actually spoke to the media not
too long ago and had a couple of pointed things
to say, but the big his dad got community noted
(18:08):
about something too. Yeah, yeah, so uh, you know that's
that's very accurate. That's very accurate. But look, the big
drama of the night. We started out really fast right
out of the gate, and you know, before we get
to this, I want to say, I get that the
storyline changed right away, right before the draft started. You
saw Jay Glazer had the scoopage, right. Adam Schefter talked
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about it on ESPN that the Browns and the Jaguars
had the workings of a trade at two and five.
They just needed to make sure the Titans at number one,
they're gonna take cam Warden and then they put this
out there. So all of a sudden, cam Ward who
was kind of a FATA complete, going number one overall,
we get the story of the Browns and the Jaguars trade. Okay, great,
all right, it's great if someone's coming up for Travis Hunter,
(18:51):
all right, great, awesome, But I don't know that there
has been a number one overall pick in the draft
that got less attention and less screen time and less
breakdown than cam Ward. This guy's the number one bleeping
pick in the draft, right and all of ESPN's first
pre show when they come on the air is about
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mel Kiper talking about Shador Sandys and cam Ward gets
the pick. You know, he hugs his family and then
right boom, we're onto the draft.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
And I get it.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
I get that's a big story, but wow, how about
just forty five seconds on cam Ward and how good
the guy is, and how how about we can do
that story a little bit, because what once this trade happens.
I understand you'll lose it, but give the guy his moment.
He's the number one pick on the biggest off season
television show that the NFL has. You could have given
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him at a little bit of love on it and
say this is why we're here for guys to realize
their dreams.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
Number one overall.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
Oh trade, Okay, once the trade comes through, I get it,
but you could have give him a little more attention,
little bit more love. Who did he hug first? Did
he hug mom first? Mom was the favorite?
Speaker 2 (19:55):
Yeah? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (19:56):
I think so, yeah, Yeah, I went mom, girlfriend, Dad?
Yeah you talking first? The mom wins? Anyway, No, I
get your point there, certainly short shrift and a huge,
huge night for him, and I guess part of the
discussion point would be since he's been the heavy favorite,
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the presumptive number one for quite some time, like there
was no drama about it. Oh yeah, yeah that maybe
they just editorially decided, yeah, that's not a story, it's
it was FATA company. They checked the box. Moving on.
I'm not saying it's right. I agree with you wholeheartedly.
Here's a whole other audience that comes in for the
draft that hasn't watched down one of Cam Warren's college career.
(20:40):
You had plenty of opportunity, moved around a bunch and
played a bunch of primetime games. But understand if you
don't have a ton of video packages that a lot
of the newbies to the draft night would would be
But yeah, I guess editorially they decided, all right, it
was it was done. The drama is over here, So
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let's move all our cameras and all our attention back here.
So you could have given them a little bit of love.
You could have given cambell I'm not saying you have
to go crazy, but give them a little bit of love. Then,
of course we get to the big story of the draft,
the big trade between the Browns and the Jaguars. The
Jaguars move up to number two and they make the
pick that we thought this guy was gonna go number two.
(21:23):
We just didn't think this trade was gonna happen. Went
the second pig. In the two twenty five NFL Draft,
the Jacksonville Jaguars select Travis Hunter, wide receiver defensive bat
to Colorado. So there's the selection. Now, the Cleveland Browns
(21:43):
are big winners. The Jaguars are big winners. Here's my
hot take. Both teams sort of won the trade. Okay,
both teams sort of won the trade. You have the
Browns who get get a big haul, right, you know,
you have the we're traded the third and the fourth
(22:04):
and picks go back and forth, and you get a
first round pick next year, right, which is which is
a huge deal.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
I get that, right. You you know, you.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
Move around, you move up three spots, and you get
you know, you move down three spots. You're still getting
an impact guy and you are getting a first round
pick next year.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
I get it.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
But you could have gotten a superstar who gives your
team an identity, who gives your team an optic and
an image. You get the biggest superstar in the NFL Draft.
You may get the biggest superstar in the NFL draft
in a decade. The guys, the first two way player
in the NFL that we're gonna see in forever, right,
(22:41):
I mean, come on, there's a reason why we talked
about him being like Otani and being a unicorn. And
then Andrew Berry is saying the same thing the next day.
Glad he listens to the show. But we have great influence.
You could have you could have gotten that. I mean, really,
you called him Otani and you said yeah, So apparently
they don't want Otani. Apparently the Otani of the NFL
is something that the Browns can say, Yeah, nah, nah,
(23:01):
we just guy, we rather have a first round pick
next year. And now you're punting on twenty twenty five.
You don't have a quarterback. If you don't got two winners,
what are you talking about? You did get two super
Bowl winning quarterbacks in the offseason, but you know you
don't have you don't have a quarterback. You don't have
a superstar, identity identity player. I get that it looks
great on paper. Hey here it is. That's great, and
you got a for and that first round pick is great.
(23:23):
You don't know where it's gonna be. You know how
good the Jaguars are gonna be. Could be an early
pick next year. I get it, But you could have
gotten a guy who was an absolute superstar that you're
gonna sell jerseys and excite the fan base and excite
the team, and a guy that plays both positions. And
before we get any further, yeah, don't be stupid all
the analysis. Of course, you play him both ways. This
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is why you drafted him. You didn't draft him to
not play him one way. Do you think Otani signed
with the Dodger Dodgers gave m all this money and
they're gonna say, don't pitch. Of course not, that's stupid.
You know watching the analysis that you don't want to
play him one hundred and twenty plays, one hundred and
fifteen plays.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
No, okay, I get it.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
You want to take him out running down plays or
maybe a couple of plays. But yes, you play him
both ways right away, because that's what makes him so good.
That's why you drafted Travis Hunter.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
To not do.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
It is incredible NFL malpractice. Now, if it looks like, hey,
I'm playing a little bit too much, all right, that
let's back off a little bit. Maybe we cut your
snaps on one side of the ball a little bit,
but not too much. This is why we draft, but
this is why you got him. You got him because
he's a great wide receiver and he's a great defensive
back and he wins the awards in college on both
sides of the ball. That like, why would you even
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say we're not playing them both ways? Well, he might
not be able to. No one's been able to play
both ways. He played all the way through college, played
both ways, played both ways, played all the snaps every game,
overtime games, overtime games that go forty five minutes, and
he's playing he's playing all the snaps. Okay, that's what
let him see if he can do it, because that's
why he's so speedch Like, we're saying, yes, we know
he's special, but we're not gonna let him do it.
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That's just done. That's how I know I could be
a GM. I should call Joe Douglass. Hey, I can
know I could be a GYM. Yes, we're gonna let
Travis Hunter play because that's why you took him. That's
boiled down to that's why you took him. Yeah, when
we get down to the brass tacks of compensation that
was given up. Look, if this works for Jacksonville, they're
in a I don't know if you know this, they're
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in a bad division. So suddenly that first round pick
might not be the greatest thing in the world. Right,
and you pair him. You got your number one last
year who acquitted himself quite nicely even when the passing
game was no good? So why not go all in
for Trevor Lawrence? Like that part of it makes perfect
sense in terms of the two way play. Yeah, you
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figure out some packages to where he makes sense. Obvious
rundowns which really don't exist necessarily unless it's the tush
push brotherly shove situation anymore. But to your point, sure,
where there are rundowns, Yeah, take him out from the bludgeting,
but certainly be judicious with it. But know that you
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only bold new him for five years, right, anything you
get into a second contract. But if that's what he
wants to do, right, and he recognizes this may cut
short you know, the the bulk of his career may
be shortened by taking extra hits. By and if he
learned from Dion, he learned how to be a good
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cover man and to avoid contact. Yeah, all right, as
a returner and as a cornerback was really good play.
You're not he's not getting hit on every place, Zali.
He's playing running back and the linebacker. Okay, he's not.
Suddenly there's eight gadget plays where he's carrying the ball
out of the backfield.
Speaker 2 (26:35):
Then we got to talk. But until then, yeah, let
it go. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
Now for the Jaguars where where this is where Draft
Day came to life because you had rookie GM Jeff
Carson giving up a lot to uh make a big splash. Right,
who's that rookie GM and Jackson? Let's get him on
the phone, right, let's got him on the phone. It
couldn't be scripted any better, though. It is Draft Day
come to life.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
I like I like that they moved up. I like
that they got a player who is who is now
their identity? Right. I love the residence for Travis Hunter.
But you have a lot of needs and you gave
up a big twenty twenty six first round pick that
may be a very top pick, right, So I love
that you got him. Yah, Cleveland's getting their identity. Guy.
At thirty three with Schadurs Right, but after this year,
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you might need a quarterback rights Travis. Trevor Lawrence is
just okay, right, we've seen it.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
We know.
Speaker 1 (27:21):
I don't care how much. You know, everybody in Jacksonville knows,
deep down in their harder hearts while this guy is
a bust. Trevor Lawrence is a bust. He has not
been what we thought he was gonna be. And somehow
we gave him fifty five million dollars a year because
it looks bad. If we didn't, we look worse, because well,
we're gonna extend him, give him money, make it look better. No,
he's just a guy. So you have a lot of needs,
including this right here, and you give up a big
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first round pick to move up three slots. Right, you
played draft poker and lost. There's no way you could
tell me that you had to do this deal giving
up your first round pick the next year, it's three spots.
And obviously the Browns aren't sold on Travis Hunter because
they would have taken him. So you know that you're
not really you're not really talking them off a guy
going oh man, like we knew the Giants wanted to
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give up a ton to the Titans for cam Ward, right,
that was the report at the beginning of the draft,
and the Titans said, no, we want cam Ward. Okay,
that's what happens if you really like a guy. So
if you know that deal is close, right, you know, Okay,
they're not sold on Travis Hunter. They'll move down. You
got to, you got you gotta put a line in
the sand and say, okay, I dare now. Now you're
gonna take a guy you don't want to take. You're
gonna take a guy you don't want to take. Okay,
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and maybe instead of a first round pick, it's a
second round pick and you send something back whatever. It's
going to be like, they gave up a lot to
move up for a team that needs a lot. And
and that's where I look at it and go, wow,
they you know they got a guy. It's great, but
they lost NFL Draft Poker. That's why I look I
sort of like I like it for the Browns, I
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like it for the Jaguars, but I'm not over the
moon both because I thought both sides, Hey, you're really
as many questions as you wanted to answer. You look
good in some part respects other parts, you go, wow,
you really kind of failed that part there. Yeah, I
think it works. You know, as we're talking about the
brand on recognition and all of that. For Cleveland again
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at thirty three, they go get shdhor Sanders. Now you're
not beholden to the extra year and you don't have
to play him right away if he's not ready, right,
if you decide, and that's the beauty of it, right
the Giants, and we'll talk about Jackson Dart in full
as we go through the show. But same thing, right,
the expectations not that you have to be a day
one starter at this point and you still get your
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marquee guy and you short up the defense, you give
Miles Garrett some help talk to Cleveland's side. When you
look at Jacksonville, you've now gone all in to say,
all right, this is our evaluation year for Trevor Lawrence. Right, However,
the outs are on that contract or whether you can
find another team that needs a quarterback that decides they
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love him. After the twenty twenty five season that you
know Brian Thomas alongside Travis Hunter. Unfortunately you lost Evan Ingram,
so you don't have that safety net. There. You got
Breton Strange is the guy there. And we look at
the rest of their draft class. What do you got?
You got a second two thirds four, it's a fifth,
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U two six and a seven, so you still have
some opportunity to go back. We talked about the depth
of offensive line because really that's where I thought they were
gonna end up going. Uh is trying to build depth
that maybe you'd see a little bit more in that regard,
but instead they make the big play for for Travis Hunter. Uh,
you get another name guy. So maybe Trevor Lawrence gets
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a little bit of the pass right because we've been
going out, Hey, look at the wide receiver last year.
He was great. Now he's got another wide receiver. That's great.
But internally it's like, all right, Trevor Lawrence, We've now
done everything we can. You still have Etn and Bigsby
in the backfield. You probably think, you know Ocean's eleven style.
We need one more another guy, and there's still some
running backs on the board that that can make the hay.
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But this this is your evaluation here. You went all
in for Trevor Lawrence is really what it says to me.
And again, if it works in a bad division. That
first round pick next year isn't nearly the value that
it looks to be right now, if Jacksonville can actually
get out of its own way, which we've been waiting
on forever for Trevor Lawrence to take that and we
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we talked to whatever is now his third coach. Now
it's gonna have his third coach a sixth year in
the league.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
We can't blame urban Meyer.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
Now it's gonna happen. You had a guy that won
the Super Bowl, won the Super Bowl with Nick Foles
that didn't work. I mean really, I mean we've waited
for a long time. I mean that that's where you
have to see the whole field and go, Okay, where
are we going to be in a year to stay upright,
Which is why I was talking about the offensive line
and building the guts. I'm telling I know it's a
hot take, but I'm like, yeah, I kind of like
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the trade for both of them. There's not one. Yeah,
I mean I feel it's like, Okay, it's a big deal,
but over but yeah, you see where I see the
good and the bad on both sides.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
I'm just a believer. If you really love the guy go.
Speaker 1 (32:00):
Pay what you need to pay time now to find
out what's trending in the wide world of sports.
Speaker 2 (32:04):
But guy's been called the Travis Hunter.
Speaker 1 (32:06):
Yeah. Fox Sports Radio. Yes, he's first waiting. He can
do updates and host shows, thank you, and he's got
a great pink blazer that he wears in every Friday.
Speaker 3 (32:16):
It's Steve to say, I thought you were gonna call
me the Shador Sanders. I no, he has not been
selected to Travis Hunter. Very early in round two. I'm
guessing tomorrow night we will talk NFL in a moment.
But guys, we had NBA history tonight. The largest halftime
deficit overcome ever to win a playoff game occurred tonight
when Memphis, well, they had a big leave. In fact,
(32:38):
it was sixty nine forty late first half against OKC.
The Thunder comeback to win one fourteen to oneh eight.
John Moran, you see when they were up twenty seven
late first half, limped off after a fall, suffered a bruise,
tip did not return. Eventually, Memphis with no points scored
in the last four and a half minutes of the game.
Thunder up in this first round series three games to none.
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The New York Knicks lead two games to one after
a victory at Detroit one eighteen one sixteen. Karl Anthony
Towns thirty one points, Jalen Brunson with thirty, and the
late game in LA went to the Clippers, dominating Denver
one seventeen eighty three. Clips up two games to one
by the way. Boston's Jason Tatum doubtful again for Friday
after bruce wrist earlier this week. The league's defensive player
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of the year is Cleveland's Evan Mobley. The Cleveland Browns
traded out of the two slot in the NFL drafts
first round tonight, instead Travis Hunter of Colorado to Jacksonville
after as expected, the Titans took quarterback from the University
of Miami cam Ward number one overall. At number six
in the first round, the Raiders get Boise State star
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running back Ashton Genty at eight, The Carolina Panthers get
wide receiver from Arizona Ted McMillan, and the Bears at
number ten get Michigan tight end Colston Loveland. Later tight
end from Penn State, Tyler Warren went to the Colts.
Tampa Bay gets Ohio State wider Recis of Mecca Obuka.
The Chargers drafted running back from North Carolina Omari and Hampton.
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Green Bay gets wide receiver Matthew Golden from Texas. It's
in green Bay this weekend, the three days of the
NFL Draft. Attendance tonight in green Bay, Wisconsin two hundred
and five thousand, which is about double the population of
green Bay, Wisconsin.
Speaker 1 (34:22):
Hi, Steve, I'm gonna go on a limb. I think
people came from out of town for this. I think
they did. Yes, Milwaukee, Wisconsin.
Speaker 3 (34:30):
In the NHL playoffs wins from Minnesota and Florida. Saint
Louis takes the late game seven to two over Winnipeg,
and Toronto's up three games to none in its first
round er after an overtime victory at Ottawa three to two.
In the late ballgames, Rangers lead three to two at
the A's bottom of the ninth, bottom of the tenth
Rays are leading at Arizona seven to four. Kansas City
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swept a double header from Colorado. Giants got two in
the ninth to edge the Brewers six to five. Angels
on a solo homer bottom of the eighth, beat Pittsburgh
for three back to you.
Speaker 2 (34:59):
Thank you se though.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
Coming up next more NFL Draft post first round coverage.
What team I have to now grudgingly admit they might
be back? Oh? Who is it? That's next? Right here?
Is it? The Lakers? It's next right here, Jason and
Mike Fox Sports Radio. Be sure to catch live editions
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and the iHeartRadio APPX Sports Radio. The Jason Smith Show
with my best friend Mike Harmon Happy Night. One of
the NFL Draft thirty two picks, none of them Shooter
Sanders in the books and just just you know, we
have a lot of NFL to get to. But just
want to say, NIXT show, so Minus wanted a half
man go. Now, you know, I'm telling the truth about
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this because when I'd begrudgingly have to give credit to
teams that are tough, that you hate, you.
Speaker 2 (35:54):
Know, I'm legit.
Speaker 1 (35:55):
However, there is one team that has proven tonight that
they are back, and they had been gone for a while,
and I was happy because all the years, my whole life,
it's been oh look, how good they do it? They're
an exemplary franch I was like, no, they've been a
tire fire the last sixty years and they deserve it.
They're just like everybody else. But then tonight they made
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two incredibly big moves and now this team is back.
Speaker 4 (36:25):
Third pick in the twenty twenty five NFL Draft, the
New York Giants select Abdul Carter, defensive end Penn State.
We're the twenty fifth pick in the twenty twenty five
NFL drafts. The New York Giants select Jackson Dart, quarterback, Mississippi.
Speaker 1 (36:47):
The Giants get their dominant edge rusher at number three.
And like we told you the big bold prediction that
I was right about because the Cowboys by but that
Travis Hunter thing kind of screwed the Cowboys. Moving up
to five, you trade the two and five pick. I
told you the Giants were gonna move back into the
first round for a quarterback. The back that it's twenty five,
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thirty two. They did, maybe Schudora Sanders, maybe Jackson Dart.
Jackson Dart turned out to be the guy. This is
how you do it right. You sign a guy for
a year, not Atlanta Falcons. Not give somebody one hundred
and sixty million dollars and then say, oh, we're taking
a guy at number nine. You sign a guy for
a year, and then you draft your quarterback of the
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future at some point later on where he either takes
over from Russell Wilson in the middle of the season,
or Russell Wilson plays great and he keeps him on
the bench, or he takes over in week three when
Russell Wilson stinks. Whatever it is, that's how you do it.
And the Giants look their back. They went out and
got the quarterback they wanted. It worked with Eli in Mississippi,
and now it's gonna work with Jackson Dart. At least
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that's probably what Joe Shane said. But the Giants proved, Hey,
they got two big playmakers in the first round of
the draft. Carter is great. This is part of their identity,
their defensive line. It's what made them so good a
couple of years ago. Now they add to that with
a premier defensive player in the draft that's not named
Travis Hunter, and you get a quarterback that moved up
draft charts that many analysts had as the second best
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quarterback in the draft. If he needs a little bit
of time. He needs a little bit of time. The
Giants did it right, and the Giants, unfortunately, they're back
second round pick number thirty four, number ninety nine in
the third round, and a twenty twenty six third round
pick for the guy that many had starting to creep
up into the top ten, perhaps going to the Giants
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as early as three. If suddenly Mahra ordered the code
red instead, they're able to get it. Joe Shane or
his kid, whoever made the move, did very well because
you got that foundational piece. We talked about it a lot,
and it became the marching orders for this twenty twenty
five draft. You only have what three to four guys
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that you say stars can't miss benchmark guys. You got
one of those in Carter, and then you're able to
come back and get your quarterback for that for that hole,
I mean to change it in eight what ten slots
and then give up a third rounder and a second
rounder next year for a guy that could be your
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next franchise quarterback. It's a great move by the Giants.
I'm sorry, I mean you did the right thing too, though, no, no, no,
we did not right. I will talk about that more
but I mean, we talked about building the guts, but
the Giants coming off of last year, the laughing stock
of the off season issue and all of the bad
analysis has related to Sakwan Barkley because it was terrible.
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Right in the end. They weren't going to win that
many more games. But you just look like an idiot.
The way you said, hey, give us a call before
you signed, well, it didn't really go over quiet was
so well they flipped the narrative from a year ago.
This is how you ace a draft. This is how
you win a draft. Now you gotta go win the
rest of the rounds because you're fighting in the division
except for the Cowboys. So if there's someone who won
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tonight of the draft, there's got to be someone who
lost tonight. And oh yeah, we're getting to that team
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Happy Thursday, Happy NFL Draft night. Yeah, the Jason Smith
Show with my best friend Mike Harmon. I'm gonna ask
man true, the first thirty two picks of the draft
are in the books.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
We'll get to it in a second.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
One, two, three, four, Hey he actually does count that high?
Speaker 2 (00:50):
Can't can't do that?
Speaker 1 (00:51):
Time? Eighteen?
Speaker 3 (00:52):
There go?
Speaker 1 (00:53):
Yeah, okay, is he the official counter? Did you guys
use him during the draft show? But something first We
had talked about all week, maybe for a week and
a half leading up to it, when we knew it
was going to happen. Great NFL Draft live show. We
just had Jenny Taft, Jay Glazer, LeVar Arrington and former
(01:16):
Jets GM Joe Douglas, who I got to meet. There
will be a video put up on five Sports Radio
Twitter account very soon, and I don't want to spoil anything,
except I will say this. I can no longer drink
the diet coke that I had in my hand when
I walked in.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
You will see why. You'll see why. We'll tell you
when it goes up being edited right now, be put together.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
We got to meet Joe Douglas, got to talk to him,
and and I'm on the air and everything is fine.
So it didn't seem like there was great animosity, or
at least he hit it well if he had, anything
could be for you. Very nice man. Great job by
Jenny and LeVar and Jay and Joe. I mean, I
was just fantastic. Listen throughout. Obviously Jay is the information
(02:04):
man of information man, but Jenny running point uh and
seamlessly through the thirty two picks a lot of moving parts,
add the trades right off the jump, chaos. I'm texting you.
It was like, well, it's all happening. It's all happening
just as we thought. Uh, unless it didn't uh still
the same order, just jumble the insignias a little bit. Yeah, Look,
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I was I was a little nervous. I didn't know
how it was gonna go it coming in and okay,
and you know here he is former GM and the
Jets and also talk about the Jets. What are we
gonna how's it gonna go? And and I think, well,
I don't, I don't. I don't know that he'll he
would talk to me again. But but maybe that's a
you know, we kinda.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
Gotta let the video you go.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
I mean we all just kind of get back, let
you do your thing. Uh, there was no judgment past. Yeah, no,
that's true. That's true. We're all mired, you know in
our own little conversations. What did your team do? How'd
you like my team? How was the dry? Then? What'd
you do with your extra hour while you were listening
to draft coverage? Might have laid down and then get
(03:08):
your draft coverage? Sure, second screen experience. I made all
those kind of things. But you got to meet Joe Douglas.
I mean, I know it's been an ambition going on
many a year. I have I still have like five
or six questions for him. So when we have a
return bout, we won't have any no fanboy things, journalistic
(03:30):
question Listen, listen the next babe, it'll be legit and
next week it will be legit.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
This was how you know this is?
Speaker 1 (03:36):
I don't know, it's a It was kind of like
I thought the the the atmosphere is kind of like
a wig in before a box.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
That's kind of where I was a little bit thought
you were gonna get hit.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
I mean, well, and I'm playing a lot of conversations
on the side and then tell you guys in the middle, I'll.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
Tell you what man. I walked in and I'm like, whoa.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
Joe Douglas is way bigger than I am. Wow, this
would not even be closed. That was something that stood
out fast. He was he was sitting in the in
the in the seat right here in the studio or
watching him coming in, and I'm you know, I'll tell
you there's here's a teaser. I'm wearing a Jets hoodie.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
You know. I had to do it for a meeting.
Joey not come in.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
I see everybody, everybody stands up, and Joe stands up
and it's one of those when when people stand up
and they don't really need to move their feet because
their feet are already on the ground. And I'm like,
oh wow, Wow, he's a big dude, Wow, okay, all right,
then okay what uh uh okay?
Speaker 2 (04:27):
And then I met Joe Douglas.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
See, here's the thing, me being the five foot seven
fire plug of a man that I am. Everybody's tall. Yeah,
so the extra two inches here there, it doesn't really matter, right,
the difference between a six foot or and a seven
foot You're all tall. I'm looking at yeah, and I say,
you are not you, But you know people six feet
are taller that you're. You're all giants relative to me,
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So you know that that extra bit. But I could
see the fear in your eyes that if things went badly,
he had reach and could take you out hundred percent. Yeah,
hundred percent, one hundred percent. I I mean I I
mean the gun show, it was there, he was you know,
you were bit into. I like to think I'm prepared
for any circumstance. That was one when he stood up,
I was like, oh, wow, this.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
Is where you're bad.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
First step really could have cost you, really could have
been problem. Jason Smith Mike Harmon post NFL Draft show
here and what a first round we had. We had
fireworks early, but the biggest story, crazily because this is
the NFL right as Jay Glazer likes to shave that say,
the greatest reality show in the history of the world
(05:34):
is the NFL, and all the conversation is about a
guy that didn't get taken tonight, and that Shador Sanders,
who was still on the board. Mel Kuiper's number one
quarterback is still on the board going into the beginning
of the second round. You decided you had to throw
shade at Mel Kiper. No, because here's the thing. I
think he was a big deal when he felt so
bad for Mel, because I told you, I know, I
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know Mel for a long time. I haven't talked to
in a few years, but when I was on ESPN,
we talked all the time. And he comes out right away,
Chadoor Sanders my number one quarterback on the border and
he just falls all the way through the first round
Chador Sanders and Kuiper's talking about in other quarterbacks. I'm going, oh,
I just I just feel bad at this point because
here here's Mel Sander. Is that No, there's a pic.
It's not your door, Nope, not your door, Nope, not
(06:17):
your door, Nope, not your door. And then there well
you could speak of it with conviction Jason and in
the end you may have your evaluation on a player.
That just means thirty two groups of people disagreed with you.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
Yeah, it's true.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
If there was thirty three, they might they might have
been with you. Yeah, I mean that's all thirty three
all you need.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
It was one.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
You needed one more there Now before we get into
the slide, there is no like if you said to me, hey,
what Schadoor Sanders like, like if you can you can
encapsulate Chaudeur Sanders in one ten second clip, I would
say to you absolutely what we saw tonight when ESPN
went to their first commercial break and Chador Sanders hadn't
(06:55):
been taken yet, right they they had the first couple pics.
We had the big trade with the Jaguars and the Browns,
which we'll get to in a few and you hear
Mike Greenberg saying, hey, coming up and Shador Sanders. Of course,
where is he gonna go? And they cut to his
draft party or the where he's going to be, and
it's a wide shot of a couch that's got two
pillows that say legendary on them behind him. In all
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different kinds of script and font are all words describing
Shadoor Sanders, it says legendary, it says perfect timing everywhere,
which I think is a really great troll job.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
Right, he doesn't play on time. That was a big thing.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
Manah, the unnamed coach said yesterday, Sor Sanders doesn't play
on time, and he's got perfect timing and money signs everywhere,
all of this and huge font behind the couch and
he's not in the camera. Nobody is on camera. It's
an empty shot of the couch that is Shadoor Sanders.
That is so on brand that I can't I can't
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even tell you. It's absolute perfection. This is this is
a guy who is so full is so he's full
of himself, He's full of what he can do, he
is full of confidence. He has it all going on, right,
all of this. And then at the same time, now
I'm not gonna be on camera because you don't need
to see me on camera because I call the shots. Meanwhile,
(08:12):
maybe it's about you're not gonna see me on camera
the entire night, free falling through the first round of
the draft.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
But that is so on brand.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
Here's how I feel about my own abilities and how
my team feels about my abilities. And then when they
take the shot, the wide shot, there's nobody in it
like whether that was by designed, But that I said,
that is that is Shador Sanders. That encapsulates him to
a t What does it mean to be him that
right there? Yeah? I mean you saw the tweet that
was put up before the draft. I mean I sent
(08:39):
a thing to you and our guy Justin Frossberg, who
is producing the draft, show all the kind of novelty
prop bets that had been out there, one of which
Shador Sanders had allegedly changed his phone number. So there
was a prop bet of whether teams couldn't get a hole. Yeah, yeah,
because he changed his phone, Like that's how things got.
(09:01):
And then he had that little rubber room with as
you described it, with all of those kind of like
something out of Jared Leto's joker, Right, I'm telling me,
tell me that wasn't exactly not right there that you
couldn't have seen his ass sitting on that throne right there.
So all of that and a lot of build up,
and even when the Giants traded up to get Jackson Dart,
there was the shot back to the SPEs the Sador
(09:23):
Sanders Hey, So I'll take being right about that the
Giants were going to trade back into the first round
for quarterback. It was a different quarterback, but I said
twenty five to thirty, you said there was gonna be one,
and there it was gonna.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
Be an insider.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
But I will say this to be to be to
be serious and take this to it to a point.
I am absolutely shocked. I really I am, And this
is you and I have been doing this for a
long time. We've been in sports for a long time.
There are stunning stories, there are stories that shock you.
But as you do this for a while, stuff becomes
less shocking. Then it becomes more whoa jarring for a
(09:56):
few minutes, and then you understand right, just because you
do this for a long time. I am shocked that
he fell all the way through the first round. I
am stunned that he did not get taken. That the
fall didn't stop at nine, didn't stop somewhere at fifteen
with someone training up, didn't stop with the Steelers twenty one,
didn't stop with anybody coming back into the first round
to get him. I am stunned that this is a
(10:17):
guy that is that good. How whatever you feel about him.
Oh maybe he's not. Is he not one of the
top two picks? Okay, But now it's like someone's gonna
get an absolute bargain with Shador Sanders early in the
second round. Maybe now it's the Browns. We're gonna say, hey,
look at us, man, we're winning. Did we made the
big trade? We got this, We're gonna get our quarterback?
Like Shador Sanders is really good. And I know that
(10:40):
people get caught up in minutia and teams were afraid
to pick him. You get turned off by whatever happens
in the interviews. You look at tape, you wonder how
good he really is. When a quarterback's gotta be a
gut feel and we've watched him all the things we've
said about him for the past couple of years. He's tough,
he delivers the ball, he's got confidence. There's other stuff
you don't like. I understand. So maybe that prevents you
(11:02):
from going number one or number two, But to prevent
you from going in the first round, yeah, I think
it's personal a little bit. And I you know, Dion's
right when he says, hey, you know, if his name
wasn't Sanders, it wouldn't happen. If his name was Manning,
he'd be going number one overall. I understand that. But
that's finely good. I mean, it's track record when you
look at the Mannings and look, arch still has a
(11:23):
lot to prove. Right, we can put him on all
the mock drafts all we want for two years from now.
Guess what if he sucks, They're not drafting. He's not
gonna be number one just because his surname's Manning. But
the fact that you know, Archie was a damn fine
player on a terrible team and got bludgeted for years,
and then Peyton became what he did and Eli for
(11:44):
alls halts. He's a Hall of Famer just no matter when, right,
a couple of Super Bowls you move on. So, yeah,
there's some trust there. And one of the things being
the surname of Sanders. Though he's never been coached by
anybody other than Dion, Yeah, which doesn't help.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
Right.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
We've talked about it from youth sports, uh, you know
in perspective, you know, as as you were coaching your
daughter whatever, it was something you were concerned about. And
it's something we've certainly watched other friends, family members have
to deal with at some point there's understand there's the
brains that hand do so since he's now finishing college
and hasn't had that, you know, it becomes the all right,
(12:20):
who and with Dion being the invisible hand. As much
as you can say he's hands off, he's not.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
No, he's not.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
There's still the tentacles, which means you've got to have
a coach who's willing to deal with whatever that is.
It's drafting, it's drafting Lonzo Ball knowing that. Okay, LeVar
Ball came with it, and look what happened. And people
see this, they see the recent history in sports and okay,
we did that. Is it worth it? Is it not?
But now he's a bargain, right.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
That's the thing.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
Now, Shador Sanders is a bargain because now he's a
first round talent, a top first round town. Look, the
the analysts don't have it wrong. Again, it does seem
a little personal because I've never seen criticism so over
the top about how we don't like this guy, which
I'm like, okay, you know what, Really everybody loved Baker
Mayfield and a swagger, really loved it, loved it.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
Loved Yes, some teams loved it.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
I'm sure.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
I'm sure some teams hated it.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
I'm sure some teams didn't like the swagger other guys,
because we've heard stories of other guys and all these
other guys. We talked about it with a little bit yesterday,
and something we we've broached a few times over the
last month is that how much of that becomes the interviewer.
I can't tell you how to feel. Right. If I'm
answering a question, you can decide I'm either confident or
(13:31):
now I'm talking down to you, or I'm you know,
not respecting you. Right that how you feel about something, tone, verbiage, choice,
whatever is is on you as much as it. I mean, look,
I should you know the the niceties of it all. Sure,
you go through it, but in the end, I can't
tell you how you feel. And that's part of what
(13:53):
I think with Shador Sanders and with other players, I'm
always curious. I'd love to be a fly on the wall, right,
what was that extanume like and how much was you
decided to read into something that really wasn't there or
might have been there a little bit. But it's exacerbated
by your own situation right. But because it wasn't like
there were three guys that came out. There was a
(14:14):
few teams that said that, you don't know if part
of it is the strategy of I really don't want
to go to this team, so I'm going to put
this out there. But when enough of that gets out there,
you know it's not just a one off.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
It's a thing.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
And let we talked about it last night. It's a
job interview and you're trying to sell yourself and you
don't want people to not give you a job. And
that's kind of what happened. Team said, Okay, we're not
ready to give you. We're not ready to turn our
franchise over you for a first renp pick now, I
mean unless you and you really don't want to go
back to work, but you got to check a box
and get someone deciding. But now, second round, the Browns, Okay,
(14:44):
see now you'll know if the Browns are tanking or not.
If they take Shadora Sanders in the party, you'll know
if they're tanking. We're staying away. It's okay, what are
you really gonna do? But I mean that's the whole
thing is that it's it's it's gone from he's overrated
to now he's a bargain. And it really it shows
you that teams can get well too caught up in
themselves when it comes to evaluating a guy, and you
(15:05):
need that that that minute to step back and say,
are we really evaluating him the right way? Are we
really looking at him the right way? Too? Right? I
mean we we watched it throughout the rounds, like, all right,
guy with injury issues, A couple of guys that have
some some red letters in the the personnel file of
things they've done off the field and things buzzing around
(15:27):
them there. And but if because if you get it
wrong with the quarterback, especially with the surname of Sanders
in this case, yeah, you're the guy that's probably being
shown the door. So you go with the safer pick,
you know, you take the double instead of swinging for
the home run exit. How about a Fresca swollen dome.
The Jason Smith Show with Mike Carmon Live our post
(15:49):
NFL Draft show coming up next. Yes, we have a
lot to get to tonight. We'll talk about the trade
that rock the draft. Was it great for the Browns?
Was it great for the Jaguars. Was it just okay
for both of them? Draft? Was it maybe a little
bit less than just okay?
Speaker 2 (16:10):
That's next Jason and Mike Fox.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Jason Smith
Show with Mike Harmon weekdays at ten pm Eastern, seven
pm Pacific Fox Sports Radio The Jason Smith Show with
My best friend Mike Harmon. Uh So, my meeting with
Joe Douglas is now up on Twitter. Oh, let's go
at Fox Sports Radio. I retweeted it out.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
It is there.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
You can see it. You'll see why I could never
drink the rest of this diet coke ever. Gotta save
it forever now, can't sell it on a eBay. I
gotta sold onto it. Where's it signed again?
Speaker 2 (16:43):
Side?
Speaker 1 (16:43):
Well? Well, it's yeah, I gotta I gotta look at
I actually had a well you gave me, you gave
me the silver, you gave me, no hands silver pen
he signed the silver neverbod You know, people have to
go watch it, just have to go. It's like any
any signing you go to, you got to you got
a point. Once did that with Ryan's Sandberg on this
giant print. I was getting signed for a friend, right
it was the first night game of Wrigley Field and everybody.
(17:06):
I bought it and it had a huge thing. Everybody
signed and they left second base open the area so
Ryan Sanfercan signed it there. I had to point to
the damn thing four times. Yeah, he kept wanting to
sign it in center field, like, dude, dude, there there.
I paid a premium do I'm not putting an X
on it, but just follow where my finger is.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
Man, Come on, you could have done the same.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
Uh So again up on social media at Fox Sports
Radio on Twitter, it's we've got.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
To be got to talk to him in between the shows.
It is great.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
When he was leaving doing the show tonight, the Draft
show us coming in. Yeah, and you know they always say,
never meet your heroes. You seem pretty happy.
Speaker 3 (17:43):
I was.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
I was kind of.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
It was kind of fun. But again the big dude
big like like wow, like there you go. All right,
all right, it's up at Fox Sports Radio at how
about a fresco at Swollen Doom. I just retweeted it.
Check it out. So we'll have more onch of Door
Sanders coming up. He actually spoke to the media not
too long ago and had a couple of pointed things
to say, but the big his dad got community noted
(18:08):
about something too. Yeah, yeah, so uh, you know that's
that's very accurate. That's very accurate. But look, the big
drama of the night. We started out really fast right
out of the gate, and you know, before we get
to this, I want to say, I get that the
storyline changed right away, right before the draft started. You
saw Jay Glazer had the scoopage, right. Adam Schefter talked
(18:29):
about it on ESPN that the Browns and the Jaguars
had the workings of a trade at two and five.
They just needed to make sure the Titans at number one,
they're gonna take cam Warden and then they put this
out there. So all of a sudden, cam Ward who
was kind of a FATA complete, going number one overall,
we get the story of the Browns and the Jaguars trade. Okay, great,
all right, it's great if someone's coming up for Travis Hunter,
(18:51):
all right, great, awesome, But I don't know that there
has been a number one overall pick in the draft
that got less attention and less screen time and less
breakdown than cam Ward. This guy's the number one bleeping
pick in the draft, right and all of ESPN's first
pre show when they come on the air is about
(19:12):
mel Kiper talking about Shador Sandys and cam Ward gets
the pick. You know, he hugs his family and then
right boom, we're onto the draft.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
And I get it.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
I get that's a big story, but wow, how about
just forty five seconds on cam Ward and how good
the guy is, and how how about we can do
that story a little bit, because what once this trade happens.
I understand you'll lose it, but give the guy his moment.
He's the number one pick on the biggest off season
television show that the NFL has. You could have given
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him at a little bit of love on it and
say this is why we're here for guys to realize
their dreams.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
Number one overall.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
Oh trade, Okay, once the trade comes through, I get it,
but you could have give him a little more attention,
little bit more love. Who did he hug first? Did
he hug mom first? Mom was the favorite?
Speaker 2 (19:55):
Yeah? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (19:56):
I think so, yeah, Yeah, I went mom, girlfriend, Dad?
Yeah you talking first? The mom wins? Anyway, No, I
get your point there, certainly short shrift and a huge,
huge night for him, and I guess part of the
discussion point would be since he's been the heavy favorite,
(20:16):
the presumptive number one for quite some time, like there
was no drama about it. Oh yeah, yeah that maybe
they just editorially decided, yeah, that's not a story, it's
it was FATA company. They checked the box. Moving on.
I'm not saying it's right. I agree with you wholeheartedly.
Here's a whole other audience that comes in for the
draft that hasn't watched down one of Cam Warren's college career.
(20:40):
You had plenty of opportunity, moved around a bunch and
played a bunch of primetime games. But understand if you
don't have a ton of video packages that a lot
of the newbies to the draft night would would be
But yeah, I guess editorially they decided, all right, it
was it was done. The drama is over here, So
(21:02):
let's move all our cameras and all our attention back here.
So you could have given them a little bit of love.
You could have given cambell I'm not saying you have
to go crazy, but give them a little bit of love. Then,
of course we get to the big story of the draft,
the big trade between the Browns and the Jaguars. The
Jaguars move up to number two and they make the
pick that we thought this guy was gonna go number two.
(21:23):
We just didn't think this trade was gonna happen. Went
the second pig. In the two twenty five NFL Draft,
the Jacksonville Jaguars select Travis Hunter, wide receiver defensive bat
to Colorado. So there's the selection. Now, the Cleveland Browns
(21:43):
are big winners. The Jaguars are big winners. Here's my
hot take. Both teams sort of won the trade. Okay,
both teams sort of won the trade. You have the
Browns who get get a big haul, right, you know,
you have the we're traded the third and the fourth
(22:04):
and picks go back and forth, and you get a
first round pick next year, right, which is which is
a huge deal.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
I get that, right. You you know, you.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
Move around, you move up three spots, and you get
you know, you move down three spots. You're still getting
an impact guy and you are getting a first round
pick next year.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
I get it.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
But you could have gotten a superstar who gives your
team an identity, who gives your team an optic and
an image. You get the biggest superstar in the NFL Draft.
You may get the biggest superstar in the NFL draft
in a decade. The guys, the first two way player
in the NFL that we're gonna see in forever, right,
(22:41):
I mean, come on, there's a reason why we talked
about him being like Otani and being a unicorn. And
then Andrew Berry is saying the same thing the next day.
Glad he listens to the show. But we have great influence.
You could have you could have gotten that. I mean, really,
you called him Otani and you said yeah, So apparently
they don't want Otani. Apparently the Otani of the NFL
is something that the Browns can say, Yeah, nah, nah,
(23:01):
we just guy, we rather have a first round pick
next year. And now you're punting on twenty twenty five.
You don't have a quarterback. If you don't got two winners,
what are you talking about? You did get two super
Bowl winning quarterbacks in the offseason, but you know you
don't have you don't have a quarterback. You don't have
a superstar, identity identity player. I get that it looks
great on paper. Hey here it is. That's great, and
you got a for and that first round pick is great.
(23:23):
You don't know where it's gonna be. You know how
good the Jaguars are gonna be. Could be an early
pick next year. I get it, But you could have
gotten a guy who was an absolute superstar that you're
gonna sell jerseys and excite the fan base and excite
the team, and a guy that plays both positions. And
before we get any further, yeah, don't be stupid all
the analysis. Of course, you play him both ways. This
(23:44):
is why you drafted him. You didn't draft him to
not play him one way. Do you think Otani signed
with the Dodger Dodgers gave m all this money and
they're gonna say, don't pitch. Of course not, that's stupid.
You know watching the analysis that you don't want to
play him one hundred and twenty plays, one hundred and
fifteen plays.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
No, okay, I get it.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
You want to take him out running down plays or
maybe a couple of plays. But yes, you play him
both ways right away, because that's what makes him so good.
That's why you drafted Travis Hunter.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
To not do.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
It is incredible NFL malpractice. Now, if it looks like, hey,
I'm playing a little bit too much, all right, that
let's back off a little bit. Maybe we cut your
snaps on one side of the ball a little bit,
but not too much. This is why we draft, but
this is why you got him. You got him because
he's a great wide receiver and he's a great defensive
back and he wins the awards in college on both
sides of the ball. That like, why would you even
(24:33):
say we're not playing them both ways? Well, he might
not be able to. No one's been able to play
both ways. He played all the way through college, played
both ways, played both ways, played all the snaps every game,
overtime games, overtime games that go forty five minutes, and
he's playing he's playing all the snaps. Okay, that's what
let him see if he can do it, because that's
why he's so speedch Like, we're saying, yes, we know
he's special, but we're not gonna let him do it.
(24:54):
That's just done. That's how I know I could be
a GM. I should call Joe Douglass. Hey, I can
know I could be a GYM. Yes, we're gonna let
Travis Hunter play because that's why you took him. That's
boiled down to that's why you took him. Yeah, when
we get down to the brass tacks of compensation that
was given up. Look, if this works for Jacksonville, they're
in a I don't know if you know this, they're
(25:15):
in a bad division. So suddenly that first round pick
might not be the greatest thing in the world. Right,
and you pair him. You got your number one last
year who acquitted himself quite nicely even when the passing
game was no good? So why not go all in
for Trevor Lawrence? Like that part of it makes perfect
sense in terms of the two way play. Yeah, you
(25:37):
figure out some packages to where he makes sense. Obvious
rundowns which really don't exist necessarily unless it's the tush
push brotherly shove situation anymore. But to your point, sure,
where there are rundowns, Yeah, take him out from the bludgeting,
but certainly be judicious with it. But know that you
(25:58):
only bold new him for five years, right, anything you
get into a second contract. But if that's what he
wants to do, right, and he recognizes this may cut
short you know, the the bulk of his career may
be shortened by taking extra hits. By and if he
learned from Dion, he learned how to be a good
(26:19):
cover man and to avoid contact. Yeah, all right, as
a returner and as a cornerback was really good play.
You're not he's not getting hit on every place, Zali.
He's playing running back and the linebacker. Okay, he's not.
Suddenly there's eight gadget plays where he's carrying the ball
out of the backfield.
Speaker 2 (26:35):
Then we got to talk. But until then, yeah, let
it go. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
Now for the Jaguars where where this is where Draft
Day came to life because you had rookie GM Jeff
Carson giving up a lot to uh make a big splash. Right,
who's that rookie GM and Jackson? Let's get him on
the phone, right, let's got him on the phone. It
couldn't be scripted any better, though. It is Draft Day
come to life.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
I like I like that they moved up. I like
that they got a player who is who is now
their identity? Right. I love the residence for Travis Hunter.
But you have a lot of needs and you gave
up a big twenty twenty six first round pick that
may be a very top pick, right, So I love
that you got him. Yah, Cleveland's getting their identity. Guy.
At thirty three with Schadurs Right, but after this year,
(27:15):
you might need a quarterback rights Travis. Trevor Lawrence is
just okay, right, we've seen it.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
We know.
Speaker 1 (27:21):
I don't care how much. You know, everybody in Jacksonville knows,
deep down in their harder hearts while this guy is
a bust. Trevor Lawrence is a bust. He has not
been what we thought he was gonna be. And somehow
we gave him fifty five million dollars a year because
it looks bad. If we didn't, we look worse, because well,
we're gonna extend him, give him money, make it look better. No,
he's just a guy. So you have a lot of needs,
including this right here, and you give up a big
(27:43):
first round pick to move up three slots. Right, you
played draft poker and lost. There's no way you could
tell me that you had to do this deal giving
up your first round pick the next year, it's three spots.
And obviously the Browns aren't sold on Travis Hunter because
they would have taken him. So you know that you're
not really you're not really talking them off a guy
going oh man, like we knew the Giants wanted to
(28:04):
give up a ton to the Titans for cam Ward, right,
that was the report at the beginning of the draft,
and the Titans said, no, we want cam Ward. Okay,
that's what happens if you really like a guy. So
if you know that deal is close, right, you know, Okay,
they're not sold on Travis Hunter. They'll move down. You
got to, you got you gotta put a line in
the sand and say, okay, I dare now. Now you're
gonna take a guy you don't want to take. You're
gonna take a guy you don't want to take. Okay,
(28:26):
and maybe instead of a first round pick, it's a
second round pick and you send something back whatever. It's
going to be like, they gave up a lot to
move up for a team that needs a lot. And
and that's where I look at it and go, wow,
they you know they got a guy. It's great, but
they lost NFL Draft Poker. That's why I look I
sort of like I like it for the Browns, I
(28:46):
like it for the Jaguars, but I'm not over the
moon both because I thought both sides, Hey, you're really
as many questions as you wanted to answer. You look
good in some part respects other parts, you go, wow,
you really kind of failed that part there. Yeah, I
think it works. You know, as we're talking about the
brand on recognition and all of that. For Cleveland again
(29:07):
at thirty three, they go get shdhor Sanders. Now you're
not beholden to the extra year and you don't have
to play him right away if he's not ready, right,
if you decide, and that's the beauty of it, right
the Giants, and we'll talk about Jackson Dart in full
as we go through the show. But same thing, right,
the expectations not that you have to be a day
one starter at this point and you still get your
(29:28):
marquee guy and you short up the defense, you give
Miles Garrett some help talk to Cleveland's side. When you
look at Jacksonville, you've now gone all in to say,
all right, this is our evaluation year for Trevor Lawrence. Right, However,
the outs are on that contract or whether you can
find another team that needs a quarterback that decides they
(29:49):
love him. After the twenty twenty five season that you
know Brian Thomas alongside Travis Hunter. Unfortunately you lost Evan Ingram,
so you don't have that safety net. There. You got
Breton Strange is the guy there. And we look at
the rest of their draft class. What do you got?
You got a second two thirds four, it's a fifth,
(30:13):
U two six and a seven, so you still have
some opportunity to go back. We talked about the depth
of offensive line because really that's where I thought they were
gonna end up going. Uh is trying to build depth
that maybe you'd see a little bit more in that regard,
but instead they make the big play for for Travis Hunter. Uh,
you get another name guy. So maybe Trevor Lawrence gets
(30:37):
a little bit of the pass right because we've been
going out, Hey, look at the wide receiver last year.
He was great. Now he's got another wide receiver. That's great.
But internally it's like, all right, Trevor Lawrence, We've now
done everything we can. You still have Etn and Bigsby
in the backfield. You probably think, you know Ocean's eleven style.
We need one more another guy, and there's still some
running backs on the board that that can make the hay.
(30:59):
But this this is your evaluation here. You went all
in for Trevor Lawrence is really what it says to me.
And again, if it works in a bad division. That
first round pick next year isn't nearly the value that
it looks to be right now, if Jacksonville can actually
get out of its own way, which we've been waiting
on forever for Trevor Lawrence to take that and we
(31:21):
we talked to whatever is now his third coach. Now
it's gonna have his third coach a sixth year in
the league.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
We can't blame urban Meyer.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
Now it's gonna happen. You had a guy that won
the Super Bowl, won the Super Bowl with Nick Foles
that didn't work. I mean really, I mean we've waited
for a long time. I mean that that's where you
have to see the whole field and go, Okay, where
are we going to be in a year to stay upright,
Which is why I was talking about the offensive line
and building the guts. I'm telling I know it's a
hot take, but I'm like, yeah, I kind of like
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the trade for both of them. There's not one. Yeah,
I mean I feel it's like, Okay, it's a big deal,
but over but yeah, you see where I see the
good and the bad on both sides.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
I'm just a believer. If you really love the guy go.
Speaker 1 (32:00):
Pay what you need to pay time now to find
out what's trending in the wide world of sports.
Speaker 2 (32:04):
But guy's been called the Travis Hunter.
Speaker 1 (32:06):
Yeah. Fox Sports Radio. Yes, he's first waiting. He can
do updates and host shows, thank you, and he's got
a great pink blazer that he wears in every Friday.
Speaker 3 (32:16):
It's Steve to say, I thought you were gonna call
me the Shador Sanders. I no, he has not been
selected to Travis Hunter. Very early in round two. I'm
guessing tomorrow night we will talk NFL in a moment.
But guys, we had NBA history tonight. The largest halftime
deficit overcome ever to win a playoff game occurred tonight
when Memphis, well, they had a big leave. In fact,
(32:38):
it was sixty nine forty late first half against OKC.
The Thunder comeback to win one fourteen to oneh eight.
John Moran, you see when they were up twenty seven
late first half, limped off after a fall, suffered a bruise,
tip did not return. Eventually, Memphis with no points scored
in the last four and a half minutes of the game.
Thunder up in this first round series three games to none.
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The New York Knicks lead two games to one after
a victory at Detroit one eighteen one sixteen. Karl Anthony
Towns thirty one points, Jalen Brunson with thirty, and the
late game in LA went to the Clippers, dominating Denver
one seventeen eighty three. Clips up two games to one
by the way. Boston's Jason Tatum doubtful again for Friday
after bruce wrist earlier this week. The league's defensive player
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of the year is Cleveland's Evan Mobley. The Cleveland Browns
traded out of the two slot in the NFL drafts
first round tonight, instead Travis Hunter of Colorado to Jacksonville
after as expected, the Titans took quarterback from the University
of Miami cam Ward number one overall. At number six
in the first round, the Raiders get Boise State star
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running back Ashton Genty at eight, The Carolina Panthers get
wide receiver from Arizona Ted McMillan, and the Bears at
number ten get Michigan tight end Colston Loveland. Later tight
end from Penn State, Tyler Warren went to the Colts.
Tampa Bay gets Ohio State wider Recis of Mecca Obuka.
The Chargers drafted running back from North Carolina Omari and Hampton.
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Green Bay gets wide receiver Matthew Golden from Texas. It's
in green Bay this weekend, the three days of the
NFL Draft. Attendance tonight in green Bay, Wisconsin two hundred
and five thousand, which is about double the population of
green Bay, Wisconsin.
Speaker 1 (34:22):
Hi, Steve, I'm gonna go on a limb. I think
people came from out of town for this. I think
they did. Yes, Milwaukee, Wisconsin.
Speaker 3 (34:30):
In the NHL playoffs wins from Minnesota and Florida. Saint
Louis takes the late game seven to two over Winnipeg,
and Toronto's up three games to none in its first
round er after an overtime victory at Ottawa three to two.
In the late ballgames, Rangers lead three to two at
the A's bottom of the ninth, bottom of the tenth
Rays are leading at Arizona seven to four. Kansas City
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swept a double header from Colorado. Giants got two in
the ninth to edge the Brewers six to five. Angels
on a solo homer bottom of the eighth, beat Pittsburgh
for three back to you.
Speaker 2 (34:59):
Thank you se though.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
Coming up next more NFL Draft post first round coverage.
What team I have to now grudgingly admit they might
be back? Oh? Who is it? That's next? Right here?
Is it? The Lakers? It's next right here, Jason and
Mike Fox Sports Radio. Be sure to catch live editions
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and the iHeartRadio APPX Sports Radio. The Jason Smith Show
with my best friend Mike Harmon Happy Night. One of
the NFL Draft thirty two picks, none of them Shooter
Sanders in the books and just just you know, we
have a lot of NFL to get to. But just
want to say, NIXT show, so Minus wanted a half
man go. Now, you know, I'm telling the truth about
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this because when I'd begrudgingly have to give credit to
teams that are tough, that you hate, you.
Speaker 2 (35:54):
Know, I'm legit.
Speaker 1 (35:55):
However, there is one team that has proven tonight that
they are back, and they had been gone for a while,
and I was happy because all the years, my whole life,
it's been oh look, how good they do it? They're
an exemplary franch I was like, no, they've been a
tire fire the last sixty years and they deserve it.
They're just like everybody else. But then tonight they made
(36:19):
two incredibly big moves and now this team is back.
Speaker 4 (36:25):
Third pick in the twenty twenty five NFL Draft, the
New York Giants select Abdul Carter, defensive end Penn State.
We're the twenty fifth pick in the twenty twenty five
NFL drafts. The New York Giants select Jackson Dart, quarterback, Mississippi.
Speaker 1 (36:47):
The Giants get their dominant edge rusher at number three.
And like we told you the big bold prediction that
I was right about because the Cowboys by but that
Travis Hunter thing kind of screwed the Cowboys. Moving up
to five, you trade the two and five pick. I
told you the Giants were gonna move back into the
first round for a quarterback. The back that it's twenty five,
(37:07):
thirty two. They did, maybe Schudora Sanders, maybe Jackson Dart.
Jackson Dart turned out to be the guy. This is
how you do it right. You sign a guy for
a year, not Atlanta Falcons. Not give somebody one hundred
and sixty million dollars and then say, oh, we're taking
a guy at number nine. You sign a guy for
a year, and then you draft your quarterback of the
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future at some point later on where he either takes
over from Russell Wilson in the middle of the season,
or Russell Wilson plays great and he keeps him on
the bench, or he takes over in week three when
Russell Wilson stinks. Whatever it is, that's how you do it.
And the Giants look their back. They went out and
got the quarterback they wanted. It worked with Eli in Mississippi,
and now it's gonna work with Jackson Dart. At least
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that's probably what Joe Shane said. But the Giants proved, Hey,
they got two big playmakers in the first round of
the draft. Carter is great. This is part of their identity,
their defensive line. It's what made them so good a
couple of years ago. Now they add to that with
a premier defensive player in the draft that's not named
Travis Hunter, and you get a quarterback that moved up
draft charts that many analysts had as the second best
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quarterback in the draft. If he needs a little bit
of time. He needs a little bit of time. The
Giants did it right, and the Giants, unfortunately, they're back
second round pick number thirty four, number ninety nine in
the third round, and a twenty twenty six third round
pick for the guy that many had starting to creep
up into the top ten, perhaps going to the Giants
(38:33):
as early as three. If suddenly Mahra ordered the code
red instead, they're able to get it. Joe Shane or
his kid, whoever made the move, did very well because
you got that foundational piece. We talked about it a lot,
and it became the marching orders for this twenty twenty
five draft. You only have what three to four guys
(38:54):
that you say stars can't miss benchmark guys. You got
one of those in Carter, and then you're able to
come back and get your quarterback for that for that hole,
I mean to change it in eight what ten slots
and then give up a third rounder and a second
rounder next year for a guy that could be your
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next franchise quarterback. It's a great move by the Giants.
I'm sorry, I mean you did the right thing too, though, no, no, no,
we did not right. I will talk about that more
but I mean, we talked about building the guts, but
the Giants coming off of last year, the laughing stock
of the off season issue and all of the bad
analysis has related to Sakwan Barkley because it was terrible.
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Right in the end. They weren't going to win that
many more games. But you just look like an idiot.
The way you said, hey, give us a call before
you signed, well, it didn't really go over quiet was
so well they flipped the narrative from a year ago.
This is how you ace a draft. This is how
you win a draft. Now you gotta go win the
rest of the rounds because you're fighting in the division
except for the Cowboys. So if there's someone who won
(40:01):
tonight of the draft, there's got to be someone who
lost tonight. And oh yeah, we're getting to that team
coming up next. Right here, Jason and Mike, you're listening
to Fox Sports Radio. There was a clue right there.
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