November 22, 2023 • 38 mins
Mike Harmon and Rich Ohrnberger react to the new College Football Playoff rankings. The Lakers are looking to stay undefeated in In-Season Tournament play. Plus, why Bill Belichick won't name a starting QB for Week 12.
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some cooking because we both like to gluttonize.
Speaker 4 (01:15):
It's our guy, Rich Hornberger.
Speaker 5 (01:17):
I rev.
Speaker 6 (01:18):
Yeah, Yeah, we're doing it tonight. This is gonna be
a big one for the two of us, a pre
Thanksgiving show. Are you kidding me? It's like Christmas com
elyek No.
Speaker 4 (01:26):
Absolutely.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
We got the tournament going on in the NBA, which
means the Lakers will be at their best.
Speaker 4 (01:33):
As you heard from Ilo, we.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
Had one of the crazier games you'll see in It
was hearkening back to the days of yesteryear in the
Denver Nuggets when everybody was running up and down in
short shorts and scoring one hundred and eighty points per game.
As we had Indiana one fifty seven fwo over Atlanta,
just an insane game. Other games still underway, Orlando with
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a big win, Cleveland and Philly in the final seconds.
It's all fighting good. But we've got a couple of
huge games on the slate for Thanksgiving Day in the NFL.
Speaker 4 (02:08):
But we start with.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
College football, and you do the countdown to Kickoff show
Saturday mornings, getting ready for all things college football, breaking
it down from the gaming angles. But certainly for you your
years at Penn State working with San Diego State, all
the things you do following the college world.
Speaker 4 (02:28):
I see the rankings.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
Come out today and I say, boy, you really love
to tell us flat out it's a TV show and
that we need to flap our gums and get all
mad because in the latest update, yes, Georgia number one,
Ohio State at number two, Michigan who we'll talk about
a little.
Speaker 4 (02:47):
Bit later on in the show.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
In earnest at number three, but cracking the final four,
cracking the rankings and finding their way into what would
be the playoff if things ended to day the Washington Huskies.
The lesson learned here, Rich don't lose your star. Don't
lose the opportunity to showcase a guy like Jordan Travis. No, no, no,
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Michael Pennix junior. This is the opportunity to really push
him and thrust him nationwide. Not that you haven't already
seen it. But even with some narrow escapes, even where
they haven't played their cleanest football, they rise into the
number four slot today.
Speaker 6 (03:27):
Yeah, yeah, look, this is this is a punitive world, right,
we know how this works.
Speaker 5 (03:32):
It's not fair. Nothing's fair in life. Look at you.
Speaker 4 (03:36):
Yeah, there you go, grinch.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
Yeah, no, not even Christmas coming yet we haven't even
gotten to Thanksgiving.
Speaker 4 (03:42):
You're like, hey, nothing's fair.
Speaker 6 (03:43):
You didn't wait for the butt. The butt is a
good butt. It's a really good butt. It's a great butt.
Speaker 4 (03:49):
Cut and print that one there, tyshirt.
Speaker 6 (03:51):
It's uh, it's one of those butts. That's very important.
Sports is an equalizer. Sports is supposed to be as
close to fairness as this world sees. It's supposed to
be a meritocracy. It's supposed to be the cream rising
to the top. It's supposed to just, hey, let's let
them play. Let's let's let the fur fly and figure
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it out on the other side of the final whistle. Right, Well,
not so not in college football. That's not how it
works at all. This is a committee of people eyeball
testing these teams, measuring them, them up, forecasting, following narratives,
pumping up programs, following Heisman odds and trends. It's it's
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reality television. I mean, when did sports become reality television?
Speaker 3 (04:36):
Long time ago, Rich, it's it's as soon as the
first be actually, no, probably as first the first multi
million dollar contract sign for broadcasting. Because one of the
things in my timeline today was Ted Turner buying the
rights uh from Jim Crockett Promotions to go head to
head on the superstation against the WWE.
Speaker 4 (04:57):
Right then WWF.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
So as soon as as you start getting money pumped in,
it changes and you're part of the machine. You still
are part of the machine. We all are here in
the media, and what do we do. We find the
best games, the best storylines, and we pump them up
until you're sick of them, and just when you're about
to be bloated and explode. It's the waffer thin kind
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of metric. Going back to Monty Python, Come on, here's
your after dinner man. I can't eat another bike one
with hell, I need another bucket that's good. And then
we say okay, boot and rally. Right, it's the the
mantra of twenty somethings and thirty somethings. Let's face it,
everybody until they meet their bitter end is Friday night,
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Saturday night, alternate, you know, Sundays and maybe some Thursdays
mix they're in How late can I keep rolling? And
maybe I get a little bit queasy, maybe I need
to pause, get a nap. But the phrase boot and
rally is part of our culture and we do this
same thing with our sports.
Speaker 6 (06:01):
Let's simplify it, right, So it goes like this. You
have Georgia at the top of the board. They're followed
by Ohio State number two. Number three is Michigan, and
then four Washington leapfrogs the Florida State Seminoles. And what
we're left with is a CFP a playoff window right now,
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or I guess you could say freeze frame that if
all of a sudden the season ends. Right now, you
have two teams from the Big ten who are becoming
a multi media conglomerate involved. Obviously you have your your
standby your standard, your sec and then in the waning
moments of the PAC twelve, almost like a preview to
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what the new Big Ten is going to look like,
Washington getting its first look in years. So, yeah, it's
good for television. People are gonna like it. But is
it right?
Speaker 5 (06:53):
The answer is no.
Speaker 6 (06:54):
And you have Book Horgan, who's the chair of the
CFP committee, saying things like we didn't project ahead. It's
really about what Washington did this past weekend and going
up to Research Stadium, a tough place to play. The
defense has come around and played really well the past
six quarters, like, okay, give me a break.
Speaker 5 (07:14):
Job has there nothing to do with Washington.
Speaker 6 (07:17):
This has everything to do with Jordan Travis holding what
was left of his leg aloft above the grass that
he had just broken it in half on.
Speaker 5 (07:29):
It's over for him.
Speaker 6 (07:30):
Unfortunately, his college career has screeched to a halt. It's
gonna affect his draft stock. Unfortunately. He's a bright star
in this game. If you never got a chance to
play or watch him play, throw on some highlights. And
this is such a bummer for Florida State. But this
is in two parts. The reason, in my opinion, Mikey,
why they did this is to a send a stern
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message to everybody out there. Make sure you're protecting your
assets across college football. Make sure that your quarterbacks stay safe,
because otherwise we'll boot him right out like you were
talking about. And two, if anybody decides to leave their
program early, you will be punished. It doesn't matter by
injury or by removing yourself from the equation to go
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the NFL draft. We will get you out of the
playoff picture faster. Your head will be spinning that so fast.
Speaker 4 (08:19):
Well, and that's as we watched with Washington right.
Speaker 3 (08:21):
We've seen a number of narrow escapes, but the constant
is Pennix Junior. And look at the superb athleticism. Look
at these pinpoint throws. We look at him right now
about thirty seven hundred yards, thirty touchdowns, seven picks, and
the storyline of him rising up as Caleb Williams and
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the USC falls to the wayside, as the September feel
goods story of the Sanders and what they were doing
at Colorado as that fell to the wayside. Travis Hunter
and everything else, those go to the wayside bo Nicks
because he's been there for one hundred years in college
foot I should say not at Oregon. But does it
get to quite the same love now he does from
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Heisman Betters at this point for the odds. But we're
looking at trying to find those breakthrough stories and evaluate
and reward as such. The Committee, they lie through their teeth,
just like everybody else, fumbling at the microphones coaching wise,
and you watch it. We laugh about it each and
every week. Some of the idiocy you here spotted off
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for the committee to try to sell us that it's
purely on the fact that oh no, no, No, they won
that tough twenty two to twenty matchup against Oregon State,
great Ah, and then they beat the Utes. Well, the
Utes aren't as good as they were, right, it's that
is that the Pac twelve as a whole and rich,
you know, correct me if I'm wrong. A lot of
these wins don't look as juicy as they once did. No, right,
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a month ago. I mean these were big things, but
one by one these teams have fallen to the wayside.
Speaker 6 (09:55):
Yeah, look, you said the Utes, Utah, they've fallen back
to earth. A lot of it has to do with
injury at quarterback obviously, usc is and what we projected
them to be this preseason. With Caleb Williams, the returning
Heisman winner from last season. He's got a much different
looking offensive line, much different looking set of skilled position
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players helping him out offensively. And he's still a magician.
He's still worthy of a first overall draft selection, but
he just doesn't have as much help. And that defense
is atrocious. Washington barely has played defense at all this season.
Oregon State they're gonna play runer, They'll pick off somebody here,
you know, I mean that's and they have that's the
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type of team Jonathan Smith has coached up there in Corvallas.
So there's a little bit of that, you know, beating
each other up aspect of the Pac twelve that happens
every single season.
Speaker 5 (10:47):
And then aside from all that, Yeah, some of these
elite teams.
Speaker 6 (10:52):
Who were supposed to stay afloat above everyone else, they've
come back down to earth. And so really, who's remaining
ten and one Ducks team? They're they're showing out still,
they play real defense, an undefeated Huskies team. No shade
to the Huskies. I'm sure eventually they would push their
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way into the top four, if not this week, then
next week. But I guess the committee got nervous. They say, well,
if we don't do it now after a win, then
then when do we do it? Because what happens if
Florida State stays perfect? Do we really want a backup
quarterback in the college football playoff?
Speaker 5 (11:30):
And the answer is no.
Speaker 3 (11:32):
Yeah, you look at the game this week obviously at
Florida for Florida State and then the ACC Championship against
Louisville sitting out in the horizon, and part of it
is the injury. I think the other is all right,
you played North Alabama. Right, it's part of the schedule,
but it's a game that doesn't matter. So here's an
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opportunity you beat a top fifteen squad, right number eleven.
When we look at what the Huskies were able to
accomplish this past and a.
Speaker 5 (12:01):
Really talented team. Sure are in the Beavers for sure.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
But you look at it overall, it's it's the narrative
of how do we push it forward? More spotlight on
Penis Junior and now set up some big moments down
the stretch. You know, we look at the Heisman odds
as as we sit here today, Rich and you know
you've got bo Nicks sitting atop You've got Pennix Junior
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at five to one. Bo Nix is plus one ten,
Jade and Daniels sitting at plus one forty, Pennix Junior
at plus five hundred, and then you get back to
Marvin Harrison at thirty to one. So you know, it's
it's the three man race at this point, and anything
you can do to put any of those stars into
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your playoff picture, Yeah, it's you're promoting a TV show.
There's a reason the ad sales are what they are
for the playoff and for those Big six bowls. Everything
else flows out of there.
Speaker 5 (12:58):
Yeah, they get it.
Speaker 6 (12:59):
I mean, and I look, it's kind of one of
those things like don't hate the player, hate the game
that you know.
Speaker 5 (13:05):
This is the house that we've built.
Speaker 6 (13:09):
We tune in, we view, we watch, we tweet, and
the responses. Advertisers want to give these networks their dollars
so that they can put those products in front of us,
because that's where the eyeballs are these days.
Speaker 5 (13:25):
So it all works.
Speaker 6 (13:26):
I'm not complaining about it being broken from the standpoint
of making a lot of people a lot of money,
including nowadays some of these players you know you mentioned,
you know, Pennix Junior. I'm sure he's getting millions in
Nil Bonick, same thing, I'm sure. Like so, I'm happy
with some of what's happening at the college football level,
but not all of it, because again, this is supposed
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to It was supposed.
Speaker 5 (13:51):
To be about fairness.
Speaker 6 (13:53):
Sports were supposed to be a meritocracy, not a television show.
But like the Fonds and Happy Days, we've just the.
Speaker 3 (14:00):
Shark nicely done. We'll get that. Plus we'll go in
Earnest on the Tom Brady comments. We reference them a
little bit yesterday, but I've got you here, so we'll
get into those. I've been calling it parody, is mediocrity
or less than for a long time. We'll examine the
reasons why. But just always remember this Rich as a
guy who likes to cook and consume, You and me
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and all of you out there across America. However you're listening,
just remember you want to eat the sausage. You don't
necessarily want to know how it's made. He's Rich Hornberger
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over the top because it is a tournament game, not
just a league game. Smokey, We're going tournament. It's so important,
Rich Hornberger. They have blessed me with it on all
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four screens here in the Fox Sports Radio studio.
Speaker 5 (16:09):
Oh, this is huge, this is huge. I'm I'm I'm
happy for you.
Speaker 6 (16:13):
I don't know, man, luck, I don't think that goes
far enough to describe. Envy is what I'm feeling. You're lucky,
and Justin I mean, he's in heaven let's be very honest.
Speaker 4 (16:26):
Tournament game, bro please yeah.
Speaker 6 (16:28):
Oh my gosh, I mean, just inject it right into
my veins. We get we got the playoffs, guys, we
get the playoffs all year long on that.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
BA special courts that have a lot of extra slipping
and falling down for the players. That's always good, especially
when you got Anthony Davis out there and every time
he slips and falls.
Speaker 6 (16:48):
Let's help these guys continue to manage their load.
Speaker 4 (16:52):
Let's do it nicely done.
Speaker 3 (16:53):
Yes, it's because I think Bakers if they're able to
win this tournament, right, because this would qualify them for
the the playoffs of the tournament. Or however, this goes
a win tonight and they're they're beating the hell out
of Utah early as I look up, it was twenty
four to eleven as they went to a television time out.
But you're looking at five hundred K bonus if you
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if you can win it.
Speaker 6 (17:16):
As and I'm bastardizing the lyrics on purpose. Actually done,
wake me up. When December ns I just I just,
I mean, let's be honest. The NBA season it's a
lot of fluff, it's a lot of bluster, it's a
lot of wwe. You know, let's throw someone in a headlock,
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let's have a suspension that.
Speaker 4 (17:38):
Get your Draymond in.
Speaker 3 (17:40):
Yeah, you know seven seven out of the last eleven
games that Steph didn't play, Draymond got himself kicked out.
Speaker 4 (17:46):
Yeah yeah, not pretty good percentage.
Speaker 5 (17:48):
You're not shocked he's doing okay. You know. So this
is this is the modern day NBA.
Speaker 6 (17:54):
When you create a league where you've diluted the product
to the point where nobody even remembers what the original
flavor is at this point, this is what you get
is this is the level of interest you get. You
get a lot of people who, you know, maybe they're
scrambling to their prize picks or their underdog fantasy and
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they're putting together a pick them, you know, something like that.
You know, maybe they're playing some player props. But outside
of that, the interest is relatively low. Until we start
the new year.
Speaker 3 (18:26):
Well, you got to find your juice where you can.
And obviously the stars playing certainly helps. And we've seen
a lot of Lebron. We've seen a lot of ad
for Laker fans, exciting right to see them, I mean,
the minutes maybe a little higher than you'd like. But
the fact that at least for now, as we get
towards the latter part of November, there's a bit of juice, right,
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there's a little little bit of excitement at least around
the city here. You know, a lot a lot of
anticipation of what's going on with the Dodgers in the
hot stovely don't get me wrong, right, all the rumor
conjectures specs that a couple of high priced guys and
well known names are going to come creeping up the
five here. But when we look at the NBA, yeah, normal,
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normally it's wait till Christmas. But this at least supplies
you for your daily fantasy needs, for all your wagering needs.
Speaker 4 (19:18):
For that matter.
Speaker 3 (19:19):
And the stars are out and you've got to compete
with something in Los Angeles, it wins because well you
had a lot with James Harden getting traded. So people
get a little bit excited as to what that roster
constitution is watching it either succeed or crash and burn.
I think more hoping for the latter. But with usc
falling off the map, all the questions surrounding the job
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security of Chip Kelly, yeah, the Lakers playing pretty well
and guys playing big minutes, and the Stars putting up
thirty five minutes a night, Lebron rising up all of
these top ten lists. While he'll never be a quote
unquote Laker, you can lean.
Speaker 6 (19:58):
In, Yeah, look, I appreciate win Stars play. And that's
kind of the biggest problem that I have with the
NBA is the fact that without consequential games throughout your
season like the NFL has, what happens. You get a
lot of guys taking time off, and it's one of
those sports where nobody's penalized when they go for their
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next contract. Nobody's really looking at how many games they miss.
All they're looking at is how well they play in
the postseason and what their regular season averages look like.
Speaker 4 (20:31):
And are you good for the gate?
Speaker 5 (20:33):
Right?
Speaker 3 (20:33):
Are you a little bit for the gate as it were?
But you're absolutely right, right, what's the per game average
per forty eight minutes averages, all the advanced metrics. And
then if you're healthy and able to play in the playoffs,
did you succeed?
Speaker 4 (20:47):
Did you lead? In Hell?
Speaker 3 (20:48):
Even a lot of times that doesn't matter because everybody's
going out and they're going to spend money. And if
they can't get guy one through thirty two, guess what,
Guy number thirty three is still getting a pretty significant
contract when it's all said and done, I'd begrudge them nothing, right,
go and and if the money's there in any business
that you're in, you know, Joe and Susie USA, get
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every dime you can.
Speaker 6 (21:12):
Well there, I don't blame the players or any individual player.
I mean they're doing exactly what they should do. Uh,
if you need to rest your body, rest your body,
you should chase every single dollar that you can. Because
guess what, that's exactly what your owners or your governors
are doing in the sport.
Speaker 4 (21:29):
Oh you said governor, good for you?
Speaker 5 (21:31):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (21:31):
Yeah, I mean that, well that that's what they like
to call themselves. And there's actually some dispute going on
between some of these.
Speaker 3 (21:39):
Godness, oh, the Nixon raptors thing as funny as hell.
It's so I've now resigned from this board because he
subterfuge and chaos and our analytics. Yeah, we could do
that story a little bit later to fill folks in,
because that's kind of circling, circling the drain, as it were,
in terms of larger stories.
Speaker 4 (21:59):
Oh, but I think it's absolutely fascinating.
Speaker 6 (22:02):
But really the greater issue is the fact that the
ownership in the NBA, they've lost so much control over
this league, and they've cowtowed so many times to the
superstars who they know they're controlled by to a greater
or lesser extent, And as a result, you have a
sport that now is kind of you know, it's being
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ran by the players instead of the people who control
the product, and that's not good for the game. Look,
I'm on the player side of this. I'd rather players
have more benefits than less. I'd rather players have more
salary than less. I cheer for these guys individually, but
I'm also a sports fan, So it's an interesting hypocriticism
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or I'm a hypocrite because I sit here and I
want a better product. And I know if you have
Kawhi Leonard taking off twenty four games a year or
more than that, thirty games a year, it's not good
for the sport. It's I want to see the stars play,
and so how do you get back to that. You
have to find a way to incentivize it. You have
to wigh find a way to have the power pencil
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and swing back toward the owners.
Speaker 5 (23:12):
Otherwise you're never gonna get close.
Speaker 3 (23:15):
Yeah, it's the difficulty because everybody's simple answer is always
reduced games like well, no, the revenue streams that flow
through from the television broadcasting contracts through all these other
league sponsors partners.
Speaker 4 (23:29):
They'll never get.
Speaker 3 (23:30):
Into all the daily fantasy, like you mentioned the amount
of money that's pumped in through those channels anymore that
you know it all fails if suddenly, hey, we gave
up twenty.
Speaker 4 (23:41):
Games a year.
Speaker 3 (23:42):
Yeah, and they're still gonna be load management even if
it's twenty games fewer. That's the thing that I think
people keep forgetting in all this matrix. You won't have
back to backs, you won't have some of these scheduling
nonsensical things. I won't rant about that as much as
I've done the NFL. People can find the podcasts of
past shows wherever you get download audio from my thoughts
about the way the NFL schedules stuff. A lot of
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acid nine. You know I play you, that I've got
one week in between that I play you again. Or
let's get everybody hurt and then see who's left standing
in the final three weeks to decide divisions. How damn
stupid is that? But it makes for great week sixteen
through eighteen viewing, assuming that your starters are still there.
But for the NBA, yeah, there's no simple solution to
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this begging and pleading the players to play out the
eighty two. You've given too much power because you can't
change all those contracts, right, it's the CBA, Yeah, and
it's the same thing the NFL's haveing going back to,
you know, obliquely include the Brady comments like, you know,
once you take away a lot of the padded practices
to a day's and whatever else, product will suffer well.
Speaker 6 (24:50):
And segueing to that, I mean, there is some truth
to what Tom Brady said. And I'm not one of
these old players, and I don't even read him as
one of those old players who looks at the current
game and says, these guys are soft and we played
in hard times and we were hard men, and you know,
they have no idea how easy they have it. That's
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not what he was saying. What he was saying is
this is an inferior product, Like this product what we're
delivering the fans, because at the end of the day.
The reason why those bright lights come on in the
stadiums and the arenas and the ballparks around the country
is because fans will show up at the gate. Viewers
will come to their televisions and click over to that channel.
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You know, they'll find you, they'll stream you. You know,
they will open up a fantasy app and they'll bet
day by day or season long like this is important
to people. And for that reason, you got to keep
your eye on the prize, which is keeping the attention
of your fan base. And if you don't, well what
happens all of a sudden you go the way of
boxing or horse racing. Those were two of the biggest
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sports at the turn of the nineteenth century and they're
practically anonymous now except for a couple of days a year.
It's just you gotta be careful, you cannot. You got
to keep the main thing, the main thing, which is
keeping fans engaged.
Speaker 5 (26:06):
And some of these rule changes, I don't know. I
don't know at the end of.
Speaker 6 (26:11):
The day how much they protect players or if it's
more a public relations move in reaction to some of
the awfulness that the NFL was guilty of, which was
hiding evidence that concussions have long term ramification on their players,
and also not doing what's right by players post career
(26:31):
in terms of medical coverage in order to treat some
of the things that these players are going through. So
as a result, we now have a watered down product
that's supposed to be quote unquote safer and and Tom
Brady's right, I mean he's made his fortunes playing a sport,
a gladiator sport that they're trying to package and you know,
(26:53):
put little bumpers on the corners and bubble wrap it
so it's user friendly for everybody. The whole family could
get involved, right. Taylor Swift's at the game. But this
isn't the Disney Channel. This is Rome Circa, you know,
eighty one. Like you're feeding people to the lines a
little bit here, and you're having fun doing it.
Speaker 5 (27:14):
Let's keep the main thing the main thing.
Speaker 3 (27:16):
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(28:02):
the Brady comments, the Kareem Jackson verdict coming down here
rich As surprised of no one right, I saw Simmons
and so many other just going, what are we supposed
to do? Like not lead with your helmet. It doesn't
matter if he's a run if he's a running back,
a wide receiver. Everybody's saying, well, he wasn't a quarterback
(28:22):
because he decided it was gonna run the ball. It's like,
it doesn't matter. You still launched at it with your helmet,
So you're going to lose that appeal. You probably want
to go find one of the other plays that they
went and listed in the airing of grievances about your
misdeeds on Sundays, because that play was not the hill
to stand on.
Speaker 6 (28:42):
Yeah, yeah, it's you know what's really strange about the
conversation we're coming off of talking about Tom Brady's reaction
to some of the rule changes and you know, a
diminished product and the sort of hit that Kareem Jackson
put on a player like Joshua Adopts. It wasn't long ago,
maybe ten years ago, maybe slightly longer, twelve years ago,
(29:04):
a dozen years ago where we were celebrating a Kareem
Jackson for making hits like.
Speaker 3 (29:08):
We had segments about it on big four letter networks
Oh four sure, and I.
Speaker 4 (29:14):
Mean yeah, and DVDs that people were able to buy.
Speaker 6 (29:17):
The truck stick in Madden and the boom stick in
Madden or the Big Hit Stick. I mean, it was,
it was. It was what the sport became about. It
was those moments. And then yeah, the movie Concussion came
out and really reverberated and it changed the way people
viewed football and it has a lasting legacy and effect
(29:39):
on the way people enjoy the sport. No longer are
people amused by a player getting to his feet wobbling
his way back to the sideline as the punt team
runs off after a crucial drop on a third down
because he got lit up by a safety cross.
Speaker 5 (29:55):
In the middle.
Speaker 6 (29:56):
You know, it's just not it's not fun for people
anymore because they understand the harsh realities on the other
side that potentially but Kareem Jackson, he's playing a violent
sport and he's making violent decisions. Now, can he do
a better job? Yeah, because we've seen a lot of
players make the adjustment. Is he costing his team? Yeah,
(30:17):
because a pretty talented player and he's been not on
that one.
Speaker 4 (30:20):
They got a turnover on that one.
Speaker 6 (30:22):
Well yeah, good point. And by the way, and and
you know the flag, no flag, you know. So, but
he will miss five games this season. If this is
the end of his infractions, we'll see what happens as
a result of it. But yeah, it is, Uh, it's
the way it used to be played, and it wasn't
It wasn't long ago that we celebrated players like Kareem Jackson.
Speaker 3 (30:42):
Yeah, so it's it's the good Every week we talk
about the in game finding system that goes through a
couple of weeks ago, I think it was thirty one
different and you've got guys like Jalen Warren as he's
getting ready and tries to get lower in the pads,
you know, and as he gets into a defense and
the helmet contact and he's lost basically two game checks
(31:05):
for that. So you know, the the judge jury executioner
system of that certainly is in question as well. But
I think you know it's something you and I have
talked about here on Fox Sports Radio for a while.
Speaker 4 (31:18):
The cbas have a.
Speaker 3 (31:19):
Lot of good to them, but when it comes down
to it, you know, if you'll take the easy wind
of an win, of an extra day off here or
there that helps you short term, long term, it is
not good for the product and for what we see
on Sundays. We'll continue this topic as we roll on
here on Fox Sports Radio, but coming up next we
(31:39):
go and take a look see into Rich's old team
is old coach and something he said today that just
left me scratching my head.
Speaker 4 (31:48):
That's coming up next here on Fox.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
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Speaker 3 (31:59):
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(32:41):
My guy Cam Reddish out with a grooin injury. Uh
oh yeah, no's that's that's my guy that I need
as a breakthrough. Here, Rich, my portfolio of rookie cards
sitting there with a pretty healthy stack and investment in
young Cam Reddish as a member of the Lake. Uh
(33:01):
So we'll see what he can get back there, I know,
but I need him back on the court.
Speaker 6 (33:06):
They're back in a big way an eight and sixteen
with a healthy lead against a Utah Jazz team that's
all fired up right now.
Speaker 5 (33:12):
They need to win in the wars.
Speaker 4 (33:14):
They're jacked up in.
Speaker 3 (33:15):
They've got the runway there with those cool courts, and
theirs actually looks okay. It's not the make your eyes
bleed like any team that has red in their in
their logo. By the way, teams that have read in
their logos. We got a problem with your former team,
the New England Patriots.
Speaker 5 (33:31):
Yeah, what's going on?
Speaker 4 (33:32):
Sitting there at two and eight? Yeah, one hundred and
forty one points scored, right right?
Speaker 3 (33:37):
We are at thirty eight points against last couple of weeks,
we've seen good old Alabama Mac Jones find his way
to the bench, a little more of the greatness that
is Bailey ZAPPI a lot of confusion and consternation running
around Bill O'Brien obviously not the wizard that they hoped
he would be, and Bill a gm taking more ls.
(33:59):
I don't know that I blame Bill the coach. I
try to separate the two, but more and more they're
starting to merge, kind of like when the Hulk couldn't
fully be divested from Bruce Banner anymore, like they became
kind of this ibrid thing. Belichick for this week, Riddle
me this here. Rich Wrenberger explain this one quote. I
told all the players the same thing, be ready.
Speaker 4 (34:19):
To go, So hopefully they will be.
Speaker 3 (34:21):
It'll be based on what I think is best for
the team, and indicated that all three quarterbacks on the
roster are getting reps in practice.
Speaker 5 (34:29):
Quote.
Speaker 4 (34:30):
I want everybody to be prepared.
Speaker 6 (34:34):
I mean, some of it could be accurate, some of
it could be complete bluster. You know. I remember there
was a lot that was said to the media that
or really not very much that was said to the
media from Bill Belichie.
Speaker 4 (34:47):
I was gonna say he wasn't saying a lot.
Speaker 6 (34:49):
Yeah, during my time playing there that that intentionally misled people,
you know, whether it be injury updates, you know, appropriately
vague on those, because you're damned if you say anything
either way, so you might as well just stay mom.
Speaker 5 (35:05):
On the whole thing.
Speaker 6 (35:06):
Or when it came to guys who are gonna get
less or more playing time because it is to your
specific strategical advantage. The less your opponent knows about the
moves you're making, so it all makes sense. None of
that shocks me. It really does fall in line with
the Belichick way, the Patriot way. But let's, I mean,
(35:29):
let's have the uncomfortable conversation as to whether or not
the Patriot way can work anymore in today's NFL. What
are your thoughts after watching this sort of flop around
for four years now? Sans Tom Brady.
Speaker 3 (35:42):
If you don't have the trigger man, it doesn't matter, right,
And we've seen time and again, even when Brady was
there rich skill position wise, they missed on a lot
of guys.
Speaker 4 (35:53):
Yeah, a lot of guys.
Speaker 3 (35:55):
And that's not to say that you didn't have your
success as Julian Edelman was a fantastic receiver, bringing in
Wes Welker when Miami didn't know what to do with him,
fantastic move. Gronkowski obviously an all time great. So you've
got some hits in there and they and look the
one with Gronkowski. I don't think they get enough credit
for the fact that there was a lot of talk
when they drafted him. It's what a waste it was
(36:16):
because of the bacchiotomies he'd had in college.
Speaker 6 (36:18):
Yeah, even had a second round pick. People are like,
what a waste of a pick and panned out shout
everybody wrong.
Speaker 3 (36:25):
Yeah, yeah, I mean the body broke down eventually, but
not before a Hall of Fame career. So you go
through all the other wide receivers that they've picked in
the first second rounds all these years, not to mention
the players they've gone and gotten in free agency. Again,
I'd begrudge no man his money. The day that Nelson
Aguilar got what was it like, almost sixteen million dollars
(36:45):
to come play there, I started applauding him, like, good
for you. That contract made no sense whatsoever.
Speaker 4 (36:52):
And so many others.
Speaker 3 (36:54):
The John new Smith while he's working fine with Arthur
Smith down in Atlanta, because well they the ball a
lot and he can get up to twenty one miles
an hour.
Speaker 5 (37:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (37:03):
As far as being a great receiver, yeah, he's okay.
And going on down the line. The other guys haven't
been able to stay healthy. So yeah, but you need
the quarterback to be right. They can fix a lot
of ills. Yeah, And that's the that's the bottom line
to it.
Speaker 6 (37:15):
If I'm Bill Belichick, that's my pitch. You know, as
this season is, you know, lurching to a halt for
the Patriots. Two and eight, like you mentioned, is what
their record's at, second worst in the AFC. It's it's
a terrible season. Another bad season for a team with
such high expectations and really high expectations left over from
(37:36):
you know, a decade plus sure, or I should.
Speaker 4 (37:38):
Say two decades of balm.
Speaker 5 (37:41):
Yeah, so, so I look at it this way.
Speaker 6 (37:44):
They the pitch needs to be Bill Belichick telling Robert Kraft,
I'm gonna go into the draft. I'm gonna find our
next Tom Brady, and we're gonna know immediately, just like
what happened with TB twelve. Well no immediately, so don't
judge me. Now, judge me then and me with a
great quarterback, not just a good one. They need to
go find a rock party, a Joshua Dobbs, somebody who
(38:06):
can step in and make sense if things immediately and
diagnosed things immediately.
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They can't wait. They've run out of time.
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Speaker 4 (01:15):
It's our guy, Rich Hornberger.
Speaker 5 (01:17):
I rev.
Speaker 6 (01:18):
Yeah, Yeah, we're doing it tonight. This is gonna be
a big one for the two of us, a pre
Thanksgiving show. Are you kidding me? It's like Christmas com
elyek No.
Speaker 4 (01:26):
Absolutely.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
We got the tournament going on in the NBA, which
means the Lakers will be at their best.
Speaker 4 (01:33):
As you heard from Ilo, we.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
Had one of the crazier games you'll see in It
was hearkening back to the days of yesteryear in the
Denver Nuggets when everybody was running up and down in
short shorts and scoring one hundred and eighty points per game.
As we had Indiana one fifty seven fwo over Atlanta,
just an insane game. Other games still underway, Orlando with
(01:58):
a big win, Cleveland and Philly in the final seconds.
It's all fighting good. But we've got a couple of
huge games on the slate for Thanksgiving Day in the NFL.
Speaker 4 (02:08):
But we start with.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
College football, and you do the countdown to Kickoff show
Saturday mornings, getting ready for all things college football, breaking
it down from the gaming angles. But certainly for you your
years at Penn State working with San Diego State, all
the things you do following the college world.
Speaker 4 (02:28):
I see the rankings.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
Come out today and I say, boy, you really love
to tell us flat out it's a TV show and
that we need to flap our gums and get all
mad because in the latest update, yes, Georgia number one,
Ohio State at number two, Michigan who we'll talk about
a little.
Speaker 4 (02:47):
Bit later on in the show.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
In earnest at number three, but cracking the final four,
cracking the rankings and finding their way into what would
be the playoff if things ended to day the Washington Huskies.
The lesson learned here, Rich don't lose your star. Don't
lose the opportunity to showcase a guy like Jordan Travis. No, no, no,
(03:12):
Michael Pennix junior. This is the opportunity to really push
him and thrust him nationwide. Not that you haven't already
seen it. But even with some narrow escapes, even where
they haven't played their cleanest football, they rise into the
number four slot today.
Speaker 6 (03:27):
Yeah, yeah, look, this is this is a punitive world, right,
we know how this works.
Speaker 5 (03:32):
It's not fair. Nothing's fair in life. Look at you.
Speaker 4 (03:36):
Yeah, there you go, grinch.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
Yeah, no, not even Christmas coming yet we haven't even
gotten to Thanksgiving.
Speaker 4 (03:42):
You're like, hey, nothing's fair.
Speaker 6 (03:43):
You didn't wait for the butt. The butt is a
good butt. It's a really good butt. It's a great butt.
Speaker 4 (03:49):
Cut and print that one there, tyshirt.
Speaker 6 (03:51):
It's uh, it's one of those butts. That's very important.
Sports is an equalizer. Sports is supposed to be as
close to fairness as this world sees. It's supposed to
be a meritocracy. It's supposed to be the cream rising
to the top. It's supposed to just, hey, let's let
them play. Let's let's let the fur fly and figure
(04:12):
it out on the other side of the final whistle. Right, Well,
not so not in college football. That's not how it
works at all. This is a committee of people eyeball
testing these teams, measuring them, them up, forecasting, following narratives,
pumping up programs, following Heisman odds and trends. It's it's
(04:32):
reality television. I mean, when did sports become reality television?
Speaker 3 (04:36):
Long time ago, Rich, it's it's as soon as the
first be actually, no, probably as first the first multi
million dollar contract sign for broadcasting. Because one of the
things in my timeline today was Ted Turner buying the
rights uh from Jim Crockett Promotions to go head to
head on the superstation against the WWE.
Speaker 4 (04:57):
Right then WWF.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
So as soon as as you start getting money pumped in,
it changes and you're part of the machine. You still
are part of the machine. We all are here in
the media, and what do we do. We find the
best games, the best storylines, and we pump them up
until you're sick of them, and just when you're about
to be bloated and explode. It's the waffer thin kind
(05:22):
of metric. Going back to Monty Python, Come on, here's
your after dinner man. I can't eat another bike one
with hell, I need another bucket that's good. And then
we say okay, boot and rally. Right, it's the the
mantra of twenty somethings and thirty somethings. Let's face it,
everybody until they meet their bitter end is Friday night,
(05:43):
Saturday night, alternate, you know, Sundays and maybe some Thursdays
mix they're in How late can I keep rolling? And
maybe I get a little bit queasy, maybe I need
to pause, get a nap. But the phrase boot and
rally is part of our culture and we do this
same thing with our sports.
Speaker 6 (06:01):
Let's simplify it, right, So it goes like this. You
have Georgia at the top of the board. They're followed
by Ohio State number two. Number three is Michigan, and
then four Washington leapfrogs the Florida State Seminoles. And what
we're left with is a CFP a playoff window right now,
(06:22):
or I guess you could say freeze frame that if
all of a sudden the season ends. Right now, you
have two teams from the Big ten who are becoming
a multi media conglomerate involved. Obviously you have your your
standby your standard, your sec and then in the waning
moments of the PAC twelve, almost like a preview to
(06:43):
what the new Big Ten is going to look like,
Washington getting its first look in years. So, yeah, it's
good for television. People are gonna like it. But is
it right?
Speaker 5 (06:53):
The answer is no.
Speaker 6 (06:54):
And you have Book Horgan, who's the chair of the
CFP committee, saying things like we didn't project ahead. It's
really about what Washington did this past weekend and going
up to Research Stadium, a tough place to play. The
defense has come around and played really well the past
six quarters, like, okay, give me a break.
Speaker 5 (07:14):
Job has there nothing to do with Washington.
Speaker 6 (07:17):
This has everything to do with Jordan Travis holding what
was left of his leg aloft above the grass that
he had just broken it in half on.
Speaker 5 (07:29):
It's over for him.
Speaker 6 (07:30):
Unfortunately, his college career has screeched to a halt. It's
gonna affect his draft stock. Unfortunately. He's a bright star
in this game. If you never got a chance to
play or watch him play, throw on some highlights. And
this is such a bummer for Florida State. But this
is in two parts. The reason, in my opinion, Mikey,
why they did this is to a send a stern
(07:51):
message to everybody out there. Make sure you're protecting your
assets across college football. Make sure that your quarterbacks stay safe,
because otherwise we'll boot him right out like you were
talking about. And two, if anybody decides to leave their
program early, you will be punished. It doesn't matter by
injury or by removing yourself from the equation to go
(08:13):
the NFL draft. We will get you out of the
playoff picture faster. Your head will be spinning that so fast.
Speaker 4 (08:19):
Well, and that's as we watched with Washington right.
Speaker 3 (08:21):
We've seen a number of narrow escapes, but the constant
is Pennix Junior. And look at the superb athleticism. Look
at these pinpoint throws. We look at him right now
about thirty seven hundred yards, thirty touchdowns, seven picks, and
the storyline of him rising up as Caleb Williams and
(08:42):
the USC falls to the wayside, as the September feel
goods story of the Sanders and what they were doing
at Colorado as that fell to the wayside. Travis Hunter
and everything else, those go to the wayside bo Nicks
because he's been there for one hundred years in college
foot I should say not at Oregon. But does it
get to quite the same love now he does from
(09:04):
Heisman Betters at this point for the odds. But we're
looking at trying to find those breakthrough stories and evaluate
and reward as such. The Committee, they lie through their teeth,
just like everybody else, fumbling at the microphones coaching wise,
and you watch it. We laugh about it each and
every week. Some of the idiocy you here spotted off
(09:27):
for the committee to try to sell us that it's
purely on the fact that oh no, no, No, they won
that tough twenty two to twenty matchup against Oregon State,
great Ah, and then they beat the Utes. Well, the
Utes aren't as good as they were, right, it's that
is that the Pac twelve as a whole and rich,
you know, correct me if I'm wrong. A lot of
these wins don't look as juicy as they once did. No, right,
(09:49):
a month ago. I mean these were big things, but
one by one these teams have fallen to the wayside.
Speaker 6 (09:55):
Yeah, look, you said the Utes, Utah, they've fallen back
to earth. A lot of it has to do with
injury at quarterback obviously, usc is and what we projected
them to be this preseason. With Caleb Williams, the returning
Heisman winner from last season. He's got a much different
looking offensive line, much different looking set of skilled position
(10:16):
players helping him out offensively. And he's still a magician.
He's still worthy of a first overall draft selection, but
he just doesn't have as much help. And that defense
is atrocious. Washington barely has played defense at all this season.
Oregon State they're gonna play runer, They'll pick off somebody here,
you know, I mean that's and they have that's the
(10:37):
type of team Jonathan Smith has coached up there in Corvallas.
So there's a little bit of that, you know, beating
each other up aspect of the Pac twelve that happens
every single season.
Speaker 5 (10:47):
And then aside from all that, Yeah, some of these
elite teams.
Speaker 6 (10:52):
Who were supposed to stay afloat above everyone else, they've
come back down to earth. And so really, who's remaining
ten and one Ducks team? They're they're showing out still,
they play real defense, an undefeated Huskies team. No shade
to the Huskies. I'm sure eventually they would push their
(11:12):
way into the top four, if not this week, then
next week. But I guess the committee got nervous. They say, well,
if we don't do it now after a win, then
then when do we do it? Because what happens if
Florida State stays perfect? Do we really want a backup
quarterback in the college football playoff?
Speaker 5 (11:30):
And the answer is no.
Speaker 3 (11:32):
Yeah, you look at the game this week obviously at
Florida for Florida State and then the ACC Championship against
Louisville sitting out in the horizon, and part of it
is the injury. I think the other is all right,
you played North Alabama. Right, it's part of the schedule,
but it's a game that doesn't matter. So here's an
(11:52):
opportunity you beat a top fifteen squad, right number eleven.
When we look at what the Huskies were able to
accomplish this past and a.
Speaker 5 (12:01):
Really talented team. Sure are in the Beavers for sure.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
But you look at it overall, it's it's the narrative
of how do we push it forward? More spotlight on
Penis Junior and now set up some big moments down
the stretch. You know, we look at the Heisman odds
as as we sit here today, Rich and you know
you've got bo Nicks sitting atop You've got Pennix Junior
(12:26):
at five to one. Bo Nix is plus one ten,
Jade and Daniels sitting at plus one forty, Pennix Junior
at plus five hundred, and then you get back to
Marvin Harrison at thirty to one. So you know, it's
it's the three man race at this point, and anything
you can do to put any of those stars into
(12:46):
your playoff picture, Yeah, it's you're promoting a TV show.
There's a reason the ad sales are what they are
for the playoff and for those Big six bowls. Everything
else flows out of there.
Speaker 5 (12:58):
Yeah, they get it.
Speaker 6 (12:59):
I mean, and I look, it's kind of one of
those things like don't hate the player, hate the game
that you know.
Speaker 5 (13:05):
This is the house that we've built.
Speaker 6 (13:09):
We tune in, we view, we watch, we tweet, and
the responses. Advertisers want to give these networks their dollars
so that they can put those products in front of us,
because that's where the eyeballs are these days.
Speaker 5 (13:25):
So it all works.
Speaker 6 (13:26):
I'm not complaining about it being broken from the standpoint
of making a lot of people a lot of money,
including nowadays some of these players you know you mentioned,
you know, Pennix Junior. I'm sure he's getting millions in
Nil Bonick, same thing, I'm sure. Like so, I'm happy
with some of what's happening at the college football level,
but not all of it, because again, this is supposed
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to It was supposed.
Speaker 5 (13:51):
To be about fairness.
Speaker 6 (13:53):
Sports were supposed to be a meritocracy, not a television show.
But like the Fonds and Happy Days, we've just the.
Speaker 3 (14:00):
Shark nicely done. We'll get that. Plus we'll go in
Earnest on the Tom Brady comments. We reference them a
little bit yesterday, but I've got you here, so we'll
get into those. I've been calling it parody, is mediocrity
or less than for a long time. We'll examine the
reasons why. But just always remember this Rich as a
guy who likes to cook and consume, You and me
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and all of you out there across America. However you're listening,
just remember you want to eat the sausage. You don't
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over the top because it is a tournament game, not
just a league game. Smokey, We're going tournament. It's so important,
Rich Hornberger. They have blessed me with it on all
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four screens here in the Fox Sports Radio studio.
Speaker 5 (16:09):
Oh, this is huge, this is huge. I'm I'm I'm
happy for you.
Speaker 6 (16:13):
I don't know, man, luck, I don't think that goes
far enough to describe. Envy is what I'm feeling. You're lucky,
and Justin I mean, he's in heaven let's be very honest.
Speaker 4 (16:26):
Tournament game, bro please yeah.
Speaker 6 (16:28):
Oh my gosh, I mean, just inject it right into
my veins. We get we got the playoffs, guys, we
get the playoffs all year long on that.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
BA special courts that have a lot of extra slipping
and falling down for the players. That's always good, especially
when you got Anthony Davis out there and every time
he slips and falls.
Speaker 6 (16:48):
Let's help these guys continue to manage their load.
Speaker 4 (16:52):
Let's do it nicely done.
Speaker 3 (16:53):
Yes, it's because I think Bakers if they're able to
win this tournament, right, because this would qualify them for
the the playoffs of the tournament. Or however, this goes
a win tonight and they're they're beating the hell out
of Utah early as I look up, it was twenty
four to eleven as they went to a television time out.
But you're looking at five hundred K bonus if you
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if you can win it.
Speaker 6 (17:16):
As and I'm bastardizing the lyrics on purpose. Actually done,
wake me up. When December ns I just I just,
I mean, let's be honest. The NBA season it's a
lot of fluff, it's a lot of bluster, it's a
lot of wwe. You know, let's throw someone in a headlock,
(17:36):
let's have a suspension that.
Speaker 4 (17:38):
Get your Draymond in.
Speaker 3 (17:40):
Yeah, you know seven seven out of the last eleven
games that Steph didn't play, Draymond got himself kicked out.
Speaker 4 (17:46):
Yeah yeah, not pretty good percentage.
Speaker 5 (17:48):
You're not shocked he's doing okay. You know. So this
is this is the modern day NBA.
Speaker 6 (17:54):
When you create a league where you've diluted the product
to the point where nobody even remembers what the original
flavor is at this point, this is what you get
is this is the level of interest you get. You
get a lot of people who, you know, maybe they're
scrambling to their prize picks or their underdog fantasy and
(18:16):
they're putting together a pick them, you know, something like that.
You know, maybe they're playing some player props. But outside
of that, the interest is relatively low. Until we start
the new year.
Speaker 3 (18:26):
Well, you got to find your juice where you can.
And obviously the stars playing certainly helps. And we've seen
a lot of Lebron. We've seen a lot of ad
for Laker fans, exciting right to see them, I mean,
the minutes maybe a little higher than you'd like. But
the fact that at least for now, as we get
towards the latter part of November, there's a bit of juice, right,
(18:47):
there's a little little bit of excitement at least around
the city here. You know, a lot a lot of
anticipation of what's going on with the Dodgers in the
hot stovely don't get me wrong, right, all the rumor
conjectures specs that a couple of high priced guys and
well known names are going to come creeping up the
five here. But when we look at the NBA, yeah, normal,
(19:09):
normally it's wait till Christmas. But this at least supplies
you for your daily fantasy needs, for all your wagering needs.
Speaker 4 (19:18):
For that matter.
Speaker 3 (19:19):
And the stars are out and you've got to compete
with something in Los Angeles, it wins because well you
had a lot with James Harden getting traded. So people
get a little bit excited as to what that roster
constitution is watching it either succeed or crash and burn.
I think more hoping for the latter. But with usc
falling off the map, all the questions surrounding the job
(19:42):
security of Chip Kelly, yeah, the Lakers playing pretty well
and guys playing big minutes, and the Stars putting up
thirty five minutes a night, Lebron rising up all of
these top ten lists. While he'll never be a quote
unquote Laker, you can lean.
Speaker 6 (19:58):
In, Yeah, look, I appreciate win Stars play. And that's
kind of the biggest problem that I have with the
NBA is the fact that without consequential games throughout your
season like the NFL has, what happens. You get a
lot of guys taking time off, and it's one of
those sports where nobody's penalized when they go for their
(20:21):
next contract. Nobody's really looking at how many games they miss.
All they're looking at is how well they play in
the postseason and what their regular season averages look like.
Speaker 4 (20:31):
And are you good for the gate?
Speaker 5 (20:33):
Right?
Speaker 3 (20:33):
Are you a little bit for the gate as it were?
But you're absolutely right, right, what's the per game average
per forty eight minutes averages, all the advanced metrics. And
then if you're healthy and able to play in the playoffs,
did you succeed?
Speaker 4 (20:47):
Did you lead? In Hell?
Speaker 3 (20:48):
Even a lot of times that doesn't matter because everybody's
going out and they're going to spend money. And if
they can't get guy one through thirty two, guess what,
Guy number thirty three is still getting a pretty significant
contract when it's all said and done, I'd begrudge them nothing, right,
go and and if the money's there in any business
that you're in, you know, Joe and Susie USA, get
(21:10):
every dime you can.
Speaker 6 (21:12):
Well there, I don't blame the players or any individual player.
I mean they're doing exactly what they should do. Uh,
if you need to rest your body, rest your body,
you should chase every single dollar that you can. Because
guess what, that's exactly what your owners or your governors
are doing in the sport.
Speaker 4 (21:29):
Oh you said governor, good for you?
Speaker 5 (21:31):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (21:31):
Yeah, I mean that, well that that's what they like
to call themselves. And there's actually some dispute going on
between some of these.
Speaker 3 (21:39):
Godness, oh, the Nixon raptors thing as funny as hell.
It's so I've now resigned from this board because he
subterfuge and chaos and our analytics. Yeah, we could do
that story a little bit later to fill folks in,
because that's kind of circling, circling the drain, as it were,
in terms of larger stories.
Speaker 4 (21:59):
Oh, but I think it's absolutely fascinating.
Speaker 6 (22:02):
But really the greater issue is the fact that the
ownership in the NBA, they've lost so much control over
this league, and they've cowtowed so many times to the
superstars who they know they're controlled by to a greater
or lesser extent, And as a result, you have a
sport that now is kind of you know, it's being
(22:27):
ran by the players instead of the people who control
the product, and that's not good for the game. Look,
I'm on the player side of this. I'd rather players
have more benefits than less. I'd rather players have more
salary than less. I cheer for these guys individually, but
I'm also a sports fan, So it's an interesting hypocriticism
(22:48):
or I'm a hypocrite because I sit here and I
want a better product. And I know if you have
Kawhi Leonard taking off twenty four games a year or
more than that, thirty games a year, it's not good
for the sport. It's I want to see the stars play,
and so how do you get back to that. You
have to find a way to incentivize it. You have
to wigh find a way to have the power pencil
(23:10):
and swing back toward the owners.
Speaker 5 (23:12):
Otherwise you're never gonna get close.
Speaker 3 (23:15):
Yeah, it's the difficulty because everybody's simple answer is always
reduced games like well, no, the revenue streams that flow
through from the television broadcasting contracts through all these other
league sponsors partners.
Speaker 4 (23:29):
They'll never get.
Speaker 3 (23:30):
Into all the daily fantasy, like you mentioned the amount
of money that's pumped in through those channels anymore that
you know it all fails if suddenly, hey, we gave
up twenty.
Speaker 4 (23:41):
Games a year.
Speaker 3 (23:42):
Yeah, and they're still gonna be load management even if
it's twenty games fewer. That's the thing that I think
people keep forgetting in all this matrix. You won't have
back to backs, you won't have some of these scheduling
nonsensical things. I won't rant about that as much as
I've done the NFL. People can find the podcasts of
past shows wherever you get download audio from my thoughts
about the way the NFL schedules stuff. A lot of
(24:04):
acid nine. You know I play you, that I've got
one week in between that I play you again. Or
let's get everybody hurt and then see who's left standing
in the final three weeks to decide divisions. How damn
stupid is that? But it makes for great week sixteen
through eighteen viewing, assuming that your starters are still there.
But for the NBA, yeah, there's no simple solution to
(24:28):
this begging and pleading the players to play out the
eighty two. You've given too much power because you can't
change all those contracts, right, it's the CBA, Yeah, and
it's the same thing the NFL's haveing going back to,
you know, obliquely include the Brady comments like, you know,
once you take away a lot of the padded practices
to a day's and whatever else, product will suffer well.
Speaker 6 (24:50):
And segueing to that, I mean, there is some truth
to what Tom Brady said. And I'm not one of
these old players, and I don't even read him as
one of those old players who looks at the current
game and says, these guys are soft and we played
in hard times and we were hard men, and you know,
they have no idea how easy they have it. That's
(25:11):
not what he was saying. What he was saying is
this is an inferior product, Like this product what we're
delivering the fans, because at the end of the day.
The reason why those bright lights come on in the
stadiums and the arenas and the ballparks around the country
is because fans will show up at the gate. Viewers
will come to their televisions and click over to that channel.
(25:32):
You know, they'll find you, they'll stream you. You know,
they will open up a fantasy app and they'll bet
day by day or season long like this is important
to people. And for that reason, you got to keep
your eye on the prize, which is keeping the attention
of your fan base. And if you don't, well what
happens all of a sudden you go the way of
boxing or horse racing. Those were two of the biggest
(25:53):
sports at the turn of the nineteenth century and they're
practically anonymous now except for a couple of days a year.
It's just you gotta be careful, you cannot. You got
to keep the main thing, the main thing, which is
keeping fans engaged.
Speaker 5 (26:06):
And some of these rule changes, I don't know. I
don't know at the end of.
Speaker 6 (26:11):
The day how much they protect players or if it's
more a public relations move in reaction to some of
the awfulness that the NFL was guilty of, which was
hiding evidence that concussions have long term ramification on their players,
and also not doing what's right by players post career
(26:31):
in terms of medical coverage in order to treat some
of the things that these players are going through. So
as a result, we now have a watered down product
that's supposed to be quote unquote safer and and Tom
Brady's right, I mean he's made his fortunes playing a sport,
a gladiator sport that they're trying to package and you know,
(26:53):
put little bumpers on the corners and bubble wrap it
so it's user friendly for everybody. The whole family could
get involved, right. Taylor Swift's at the game. But this
isn't the Disney Channel. This is Rome Circa, you know,
eighty one. Like you're feeding people to the lines a
little bit here, and you're having fun doing it.
Speaker 5 (27:14):
Let's keep the main thing the main thing.
Speaker 3 (27:16):
He's rich Orenberger and for Jason Smith, I'm by Karma.
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(28:02):
the Brady comments, the Kareem Jackson verdict coming down here
rich As surprised of no one right, I saw Simmons
and so many other just going, what are we supposed
to do? Like not lead with your helmet. It doesn't
matter if he's a run if he's a running back,
a wide receiver. Everybody's saying, well, he wasn't a quarterback
(28:22):
because he decided it was gonna run the ball. It's like,
it doesn't matter. You still launched at it with your helmet,
So you're going to lose that appeal. You probably want
to go find one of the other plays that they
went and listed in the airing of grievances about your
misdeeds on Sundays, because that play was not the hill
to stand on.
Speaker 6 (28:42):
Yeah, yeah, it's you know what's really strange about the
conversation we're coming off of talking about Tom Brady's reaction
to some of the rule changes and you know, a
diminished product and the sort of hit that Kareem Jackson
put on a player like Joshua Adopts. It wasn't long ago,
maybe ten years ago, maybe slightly longer, twelve years ago,
(29:04):
a dozen years ago where we were celebrating a Kareem
Jackson for making hits like.
Speaker 3 (29:08):
We had segments about it on big four letter networks
Oh four sure, and I.
Speaker 4 (29:14):
Mean yeah, and DVDs that people were able to buy.
Speaker 6 (29:17):
The truck stick in Madden and the boom stick in
Madden or the Big Hit Stick. I mean, it was,
it was. It was what the sport became about. It
was those moments. And then yeah, the movie Concussion came
out and really reverberated and it changed the way people
viewed football and it has a lasting legacy and effect
(29:39):
on the way people enjoy the sport. No longer are
people amused by a player getting to his feet wobbling
his way back to the sideline as the punt team
runs off after a crucial drop on a third down
because he got lit up by a safety cross.
Speaker 5 (29:55):
In the middle.
Speaker 6 (29:56):
You know, it's just not it's not fun for people
anymore because they understand the harsh realities on the other
side that potentially but Kareem Jackson, he's playing a violent
sport and he's making violent decisions. Now, can he do
a better job? Yeah, because we've seen a lot of
players make the adjustment. Is he costing his team? Yeah,
(30:17):
because a pretty talented player and he's been not on
that one.
Speaker 4 (30:20):
They got a turnover on that one.
Speaker 6 (30:22):
Well yeah, good point. And by the way, and and
you know the flag, no flag, you know. So, but
he will miss five games this season. If this is
the end of his infractions, we'll see what happens as
a result of it. But yeah, it is, Uh, it's
the way it used to be played, and it wasn't
It wasn't long ago that we celebrated players like Kareem Jackson.
Speaker 3 (30:42):
Yeah, so it's it's the good Every week we talk
about the in game finding system that goes through a
couple of weeks ago, I think it was thirty one
different and you've got guys like Jalen Warren as he's
getting ready and tries to get lower in the pads,
you know, and as he gets into a defense and
the helmet contact and he's lost basically two game checks
(31:05):
for that. So you know, the the judge jury executioner
system of that certainly is in question as well. But
I think you know it's something you and I have
talked about here on Fox Sports Radio for a while.
Speaker 4 (31:18):
The cbas have a.
Speaker 3 (31:19):
Lot of good to them, but when it comes down
to it, you know, if you'll take the easy wind
of an win, of an extra day off here or
there that helps you short term, long term, it is
not good for the product and for what we see
on Sundays. We'll continue this topic as we roll on
here on Fox Sports Radio, but coming up next we
(31:39):
go and take a look see into Rich's old team
is old coach and something he said today that just
left me scratching my head.
Speaker 4 (31:48):
That's coming up next here on Fox.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
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Speaker 3 (31:59):
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(32:41):
My guy Cam Reddish out with a grooin injury. Uh
oh yeah, no's that's that's my guy that I need
as a breakthrough. Here, Rich, my portfolio of rookie cards
sitting there with a pretty healthy stack and investment in
young Cam Reddish as a member of the Lake. Uh
(33:01):
So we'll see what he can get back there, I know,
but I need him back on the court.
Speaker 6 (33:06):
They're back in a big way an eight and sixteen
with a healthy lead against a Utah Jazz team that's
all fired up right now.
Speaker 5 (33:12):
They need to win in the wars.
Speaker 4 (33:14):
They're jacked up in.
Speaker 3 (33:15):
They've got the runway there with those cool courts, and
theirs actually looks okay. It's not the make your eyes
bleed like any team that has red in their in
their logo. By the way, teams that have read in
their logos. We got a problem with your former team,
the New England Patriots.
Speaker 5 (33:31):
Yeah, what's going on?
Speaker 4 (33:32):
Sitting there at two and eight? Yeah, one hundred and
forty one points scored, right right?
Speaker 3 (33:37):
We are at thirty eight points against last couple of weeks,
we've seen good old Alabama Mac Jones find his way
to the bench, a little more of the greatness that
is Bailey ZAPPI a lot of confusion and consternation running
around Bill O'Brien obviously not the wizard that they hoped
he would be, and Bill a gm taking more ls.
(33:59):
I don't know that I blame Bill the coach. I
try to separate the two, but more and more they're
starting to merge, kind of like when the Hulk couldn't
fully be divested from Bruce Banner anymore, like they became
kind of this ibrid thing. Belichick for this week, Riddle
me this here. Rich Wrenberger explain this one quote. I
told all the players the same thing, be ready.
Speaker 4 (34:19):
To go, So hopefully they will be.
Speaker 3 (34:21):
It'll be based on what I think is best for
the team, and indicated that all three quarterbacks on the
roster are getting reps in practice.
Speaker 5 (34:29):
Quote.
Speaker 4 (34:30):
I want everybody to be prepared.
Speaker 6 (34:34):
I mean, some of it could be accurate, some of
it could be complete bluster. You know. I remember there
was a lot that was said to the media that
or really not very much that was said to the
media from Bill Belichie.
Speaker 4 (34:47):
I was gonna say he wasn't saying a lot.
Speaker 6 (34:49):
Yeah, during my time playing there that that intentionally misled people,
you know, whether it be injury updates, you know, appropriately
vague on those, because you're damned if you say anything
either way, so you might as well just stay mom.
Speaker 5 (35:05):
On the whole thing.
Speaker 6 (35:06):
Or when it came to guys who are gonna get
less or more playing time because it is to your
specific strategical advantage. The less your opponent knows about the
moves you're making, so it all makes sense. None of
that shocks me. It really does fall in line with
the Belichick way, the Patriot way. But let's, I mean,
(35:29):
let's have the uncomfortable conversation as to whether or not
the Patriot way can work anymore in today's NFL. What
are your thoughts after watching this sort of flop around
for four years now? Sans Tom Brady.
Speaker 3 (35:42):
If you don't have the trigger man, it doesn't matter, right,
And we've seen time and again, even when Brady was
there rich skill position wise, they missed on a lot
of guys.
Speaker 4 (35:53):
Yeah, a lot of guys.
Speaker 3 (35:55):
And that's not to say that you didn't have your
success as Julian Edelman was a fantastic receiver, bringing in
Wes Welker when Miami didn't know what to do with him,
fantastic move. Gronkowski obviously an all time great. So you've
got some hits in there and they and look the
one with Gronkowski. I don't think they get enough credit
for the fact that there was a lot of talk
when they drafted him. It's what a waste it was
(36:16):
because of the bacchiotomies he'd had in college.
Speaker 6 (36:18):
Yeah, even had a second round pick. People are like,
what a waste of a pick and panned out shout
everybody wrong.
Speaker 3 (36:25):
Yeah, yeah, I mean the body broke down eventually, but
not before a Hall of Fame career. So you go
through all the other wide receivers that they've picked in
the first second rounds all these years, not to mention
the players they've gone and gotten in free agency. Again,
I'd begrudge no man his money. The day that Nelson
Aguilar got what was it like, almost sixteen million dollars
(36:45):
to come play there, I started applauding him, like, good
for you. That contract made no sense whatsoever.
Speaker 4 (36:52):
And so many others.
Speaker 3 (36:54):
The John new Smith while he's working fine with Arthur
Smith down in Atlanta, because well they the ball a
lot and he can get up to twenty one miles
an hour.
Speaker 5 (37:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (37:03):
As far as being a great receiver, yeah, he's okay.
And going on down the line. The other guys haven't
been able to stay healthy. So yeah, but you need
the quarterback to be right. They can fix a lot
of ills. Yeah, And that's the that's the bottom line
to it.
Speaker 6 (37:15):
If I'm Bill Belichick, that's my pitch. You know, as
this season is, you know, lurching to a halt for
the Patriots. Two and eight, like you mentioned, is what
their record's at, second worst in the AFC. It's it's
a terrible season. Another bad season for a team with
such high expectations and really high expectations left over from
(37:36):
you know, a decade plus sure, or I should.
Speaker 4 (37:38):
Say two decades of balm.
Speaker 5 (37:41):
Yeah, so, so I look at it this way.
Speaker 6 (37:44):
They the pitch needs to be Bill Belichick telling Robert Kraft,
I'm gonna go into the draft. I'm gonna find our
next Tom Brady, and we're gonna know immediately, just like
what happened with TB twelve. Well no immediately, so don't
judge me. Now, judge me then and me with a
great quarterback, not just a good one. They need to
go find a rock party, a Joshua Dobbs, somebody who
(38:06):
can step in and make sense if things immediately and
diagnosed things immediately.
Speaker 5 (38:10):
They can't wait. They've run out of time.
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My Favorite Murder is a true crime comedy podcast hosted by Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark. Each week, Karen and Georgia share compelling true crimes and hometown stories from friends and listeners. Since MFM launched in January of 2016, Karen and Georgia have shared their lifelong interest in true crime and have covered stories of infamous serial killers like the Night Stalker, mysterious cold cases, captivating cults, incredible survivor stories and important events from history like the Tulsa race massacre of 1921. My Favorite Murder is part of the Exactly Right podcast network that provides a platform for bold, creative voices to bring to life provocative, entertaining and relatable stories for audiences everywhere. The Exactly Right roster of podcasts covers a variety of topics including historic true crime, comedic interviews and news, science, pop culture and more. Podcasts on the network include Buried Bones with Kate Winkler Dawson and Paul Holes, That's Messed Up: An SVU Podcast, This Podcast Will Kill You, Bananas and more.
Dateline NBC
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