February 7, 2025 • 41 mins
Jason and Mike aren’t holding back as they dive into a heated debate about why Manning’s impressive resume didn’t earn him a first-ballot spot. They break down the complexities of Hall of Fame voting, examine Manning’s legacy, and weigh in on what really counts when it comes to getting into Canton.
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Here we are right now waiting for two things. Waiting
for the beginning of Warriors Lakers. No new players, but
we're waiting for Warriors Lakers and waiting for the announcement
of the new class of the Pro Football Hall of Fame.
The NFL honors going on right now. Jae Daniels Offensive
Rookie of the Year, Aaron Rodgers has been named MVPP,
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so name the MVP. But it should be sometime soon
we find out who's getting into CANTON. I would say
sometime within the next hour, because they're roll into a
lot of the awards. Now we're still win MVP, Joe Burrow,
Comeback Player of the Year, Saquon Barkley Offensive Player of
the Year. So we should get to that, we should
get MVP, then we should get here. If it's not Gates,
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heads we'll roll.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
I will tell you this. I know you're upset.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
I know you're upset, but I'll tell you two things
off off the ball, give you two big predictions. I
will say that one hundred percent Antonio Gates and Eli
Manning are getting in. Now we add Jason Cole on
the show the other night, very evasive. Yesterday Football Hall
of Fame voter, we taught what the one thing he
told us was the biggest debate was for Eli men
which is no, no ship course as a quarterback. The
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biggest debate was Eli Manning because Manning's career is very polarizing, right.
But when it comes down to it, I will say
for Gates, I disagree, but I think last year they.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
Probably held the ped stuff against it.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
Ah, you know, and we're gonna keep you out, which
is stupid because that's not part of your job. But again, voters,
but I would I would say, come on, the guy's
one of the top three tight ends to ever play
the game.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
He's got to get in the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 4 (02:34):
So, but it's the stuff that keeps you on or
off the field, right, because that's not going outside the purview,
that's not you know, hey, something you did in the
you know, in the street. He kept them off for
four games.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
I've got a data fourteen year careers, but you extrapa
la from you know, it kept him off for four
But what.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
Did it mean for the rest of his career? Though?
Sixteen more touchdowns he's gonna have is that four?
Speaker 4 (03:00):
But it's the argument of what does it mean for
your career if you got popped? And consistency right and football,
you know, there's one set of criteria obviously when we
talk about with the Baseball Hall of Fame and the lunacy,
that is that voting populous. You know, those seventy three
people that decide to hide instead of saying, Wow, I'm
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really proud I get a vote. Nope, nope, cover of
Night never to be disclosed. But these are kind of
a big deal still, I mean football less so, but
you still got hit for it.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
But that's why I think that they did a one
year Sure, Hey, well this is going to be your penalty,
which like really, I mean it's not. This is a person.
Your your job is to figure out is he a
Hall of Famer or not? Not? Well, he'll be a
Hall of Famer next year because this year I want
to wait a year because of the pier.
Speaker 4 (03:48):
Like, that's just stupid. They do that every year, like
they do. How many times do we go, all right,
this guy's on his eighth year of the ballot.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
Stupid. I'm agreeing on percent.
Speaker 4 (04:00):
But it's not like we're setting precedent with Antonio Gates.
I mean, too, was one of the best receivers we've
seen for a quarter century. And would he have Ah,
there were a couple of guys that really didn't like him. Yeah,
and he was bolarizing, he was mean to us in
the media, So let's keep him out.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
So I think Gates will get in, And I really
do believe Eli Manning's getting in the fact that it
was a big debate, I get But when it comes
down to it, Eli Manning and there's two schools have
thought of wins aren't a quarterback stat. Ah, they kind
of are. No one's gonna remember what Eli Manning's stats were,
but they remember him beating Tom Brady in the Super
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Bowl twice, not once, but twice, once, ruining a perfect season,
once on one of the great final drives, one of
the best passes you'll ever see a quarterback throw in
a Super Bowl, as big completion Amario manningham in the
second Super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
So yeah, wins, wins kind.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
Of are a quarterback stat They kind of are, because
that's what it comes down to in your career. If
Eli Manning doesn't win the Super Bowls, he doesn't get in.
I'm with you that it's part of his name. His record, oh,
by the way, was just over five hundred one eighteen
one seventeen for his career. But the Hall of Fame
is you make your career by winning and playing big
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on the biggest stage, and the Super Bowl is the
biggest stage in all of sports. And yeah, when you
win twice and you lead your team on game winning
drives both times, and you beat a team that we
thought was unbeatable both times. Guess what, Eli Manning is
a Hall of Famer. I mean, I can't believe it's
that much of a debate.
Speaker 3 (05:30):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
And if if you want to say, well his record
was just over five hundred, well, okay, so his record
counts in the regular season, but it doesn't count in
the Super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
But like, what are you gonna say?
Speaker 4 (05:39):
But the incongruity to all of it, right, even those
teams were terrible, Those Giant squads for a long time
were bad.
Speaker 3 (05:47):
You had a couple of years with the defense was.
Speaker 4 (05:49):
Really really good. Right, And that's where we can get
into an argument of should he have won one of
those different Super Bowl MVPs? Well, probably not, but he did.
You do you can't take it away in PostScript, Well
we'll go back and rewatch the game and relegislate it.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
But we can't do it.
Speaker 4 (06:06):
But like for his career, he's he's eleventh all time
in a number of passing categories two hundred and forty
two passing yards a game. Yes, he threw interceptions, it's
also a different time, a different style.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
Right.
Speaker 4 (06:19):
We don't kill Brett Farv the same way he was
a stat aggregator Eli Manning showed up for work every day, right,
If we're gonna do that for Brett Favre and we're
gonna sit at the altar of Cal Ripken Junior on
the baseball side, how come.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
Eli does he get the love for that?
Speaker 4 (06:33):
He was beaten the hell and he showed up, right,
And then you talk about the postseasons.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
Oh he only made it six times. Okay, they won
two of those.
Speaker 4 (06:43):
And yes, you can make your arguments for Jim Plunkett,
get loud for him if you feel like it, he too.
But in this era when we talk about the pantheon,
a big plays highlight moments and you felled Tom Brady
like that all counts in a much different way. You
don't have to like it, which is why we get
into these stupid ass arguments.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
Well, you know what I would the the back half
of Eli's career was fantastic, right, it was the two
Super Bowls. I I look at it as if I
could see people voting against him. They just didn't like
him for the first few years of his career. Because
here comes Eli, Peyton's brother. Already, you're gonna have a
little bit of built in polarized and paid play, he's
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got ye power play to get traded out of the
fro Who is this guy?
Speaker 5 (07:29):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (07:29):
You know you're not too good to play for the Chargers.
You want to move on? And his body language sucked.
His body language was terrible, and it looked like he
was always complaining coming off the field. He had bad faces.
And I'm sorry, but that that pushes a lot of
people one way over the other. Because Eli, you know,
you see they go look at you, look look at him,
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look at him moaning and complain to look, he's look
at him showing up his receiver that played it and
had just else you know that, but that, But but
Eli gets got a lot of that attention. So I
think the first half of his care he had to
overcome a lot. But then, you know, you have the
two Super.
Speaker 4 (08:02):
Bowls, but you also have he's with the Giants. So
as much as you know, at times they became from
a football perspective kind of ir irrelevant.
Speaker 3 (08:13):
They were still the Giants.
Speaker 4 (08:14):
So like the Cowboys being shown every Sunday, guess what
Eli and the Giants were on TV an awful lot.
So while we just watched Luka Doncic get introduced at
at at mid court before the Laker gave it Ay
Warriors just under take off the fat suit. No, but
he made a shot over his head without looking.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
Really, no he didn't.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
So while that is happening, speaking of getting their flowers
waving to the crowd, we now know some information about
the Pro Football Hall of Fame, and the person who
knows it bet a lot of money on this class
getting in. She has a big parlay she knows on
people getting in. Monty Bolognos. What do you got for us?
Speaker 6 (08:52):
Well, guys, we know the Pro Football Hall of Fame
class of twenty twenty five, and it's Jared Allen, sterly Sharp,
Eric Allen and Antonio Gates is not his first year
of eligibility.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
What you got two guys named Alan, but not one name?
He had two Mannings.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
He got two. Couldn't let him in. Jared Allen couldn't
let him in.
Speaker 7 (09:18):
They let you stats for days, baby.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
They let Steve Allen in. He got into. Uh Neil Allen,
former Mets.
Speaker 4 (09:25):
Pitcher, just brought all his old Keenan Allen files. They
just said, just stop. It's kind of like the Andy
du Frame letters showing up here. Build your damn library.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
So Jared Allen gets in, Eric Allen gets in Sterling
Sharp and Antonio Gates.
Speaker 3 (09:40):
All Right, that is an interesting class one for on that.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
I mean, I wonder is it is it a whole
thing where I'll vote for Eli next year, right, Like
I'll vote for next year.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
I'm not going to vote for He's not gonna get
in his first year.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
He's too polariz He you can't get in the first year,
So I'm gonna hold it against him. He's gonna get
in next year.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
Like that. That's kind of how I feel this is
going on. I really am surprised.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
I really am stunned he wasn't getting because that's the
thing about the Hall of Fame, and this is where
we get to there's a lot of minutia, but we
go back to where each ro didn't get in the
Hall of Fame, right, Like, why why is it important
not getting a Hall of Fame? Didn't have one person
vote for him for the Hall of Fame? Why is
it important that Intro get unanimously elected? Because we let
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in and and and the voters let in a wide
swath of players who some of them really aren't nearly
as good as the players who are at the top level, right,
the guys we just let in and had the most votes. Recently,
Rivera was unanimously selected. Jeter missed on a vote. Jeter said,
probably the same guy didn't vote for each O. Petro
misses by a vote, right like, okay, so so, Billy
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Wagner Hall of Famer, Ichro Suzuki Hall of Famer. Billy
Wagner is not nearly the player then Echrosuzuki was. Billy
Wagner was very good. I'd like to see him, could
have led the league in something once, you know, to
be to be a Hall of Famer, but he didn't.
We the baseball is caught up in let's make sure
we have big lasses all the time, or it looks
like we don't have good players, which next year is
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going to be really interesting. But that's kind of what
baseball is. So that's why it's important to have that
distinction of these guys going in unanimously because the boy
that's that's a special wing of the guys are better.
And now that plays out here into football because how
many people said, Okay, here's Hall of famers, the biggest ones.
I'm making sure they all get him. The first ballot.
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But the other Hall of famers that might not be
as good, the very good players that might not be
as good as the best players, they have to wait
a year because they shouldn't have that. They're not of
the same ill caliber of player that we let in.
The guys like Peyton Manning, Oh, first ballot Hall of Famer,
he's an obvioys. I'll look at Peyton man Now. Eli's
not a first ballot guy. Eli's a second ballot guy.
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And I guarantee you that was part of the thinking
that didn't put him in.
Speaker 4 (11:48):
Oh, only four guys go in, and I think they're
all except for Gates. I think we all agreed Gates
was gonna get in. Yeah, and then we were just
talking about the well, why maybe you could argue against
it against Eventually you're saying he's a Hall of Famer,
but you know, won't make him sweat a year. All right,
it's one year and he needn't get to do the
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inscription and cash in on it. But for Eli, it's curious, right,
Sterling Sharp, I'm happy as hell he gets in. Great player,
derailed by injury, but again a bit of a surprise.
Jared Allen, Eric Allen. I wouldn't have had them on
my short parlay right, vanitary even though he's a kicker, yep,
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from this history of the game kind of thing.
Speaker 3 (12:32):
Yeah, right, when you tell the Mike the old you
tell the tale.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
And you can't tell the story of the NFL without
Eli Manning, without Antonio Gates, Right, you need to tell this?
Do you need those two to tell the story of
the NFL?
Speaker 2 (12:43):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (12:43):
Gates? Certainly from his origins? We again, right?
Speaker 4 (12:47):
Is the thing that really, I mean, the production is
obviously off the charts, don't get me wrong, but it
all starts with this guy wasn't even playing football, really
need to become one of the guys that every every
game you watch, watch him in the low post, watch
him go like he's playing, like he's playing hoops out there,
watch him set this guy up and then Philip rivers
and he just time it again. And obviously Frostburg's over
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the moon on this one.
Speaker 3 (13:11):
Gate but only four get in.
Speaker 4 (13:13):
Yeah, means you couldn't find a consensus something fifty guy couldn't.
Speaker 3 (13:16):
That's carry Eli.
Speaker 7 (13:18):
Okay, you're giving Eli way too much credit. Outside of
the two Super Bowls he was he was Okay, Yeah,
that's part of what it is. It's the Super Bowl
win and.
Speaker 3 (13:27):
Being the NBA.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
Wait wait wait, I wing the game with two.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
Drives at the end.
Speaker 7 (13:30):
Look at those teams that he played on. When did
they get hot at maybe the last game of the season.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
Okay, the last time they got hot, got in as
a wildcard team and went on to win the Super Bowl?
Speaker 3 (13:39):
Yeah exactly.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
Yeah, second time they went on the road and the
first time title game. You can't not count that, you know.
That's like that's what you know, that's like that. That's
like that's like Ryan Day last year when he said,
you know, outside of five or six plays against Michigan,
you know we won that game, right, I mean I know,
but those five or six plays all went for eighty
five yards in a touchdown.
Speaker 3 (13:59):
You fifty five to twenty.
Speaker 4 (14:01):
Lincoln Riley is making a usc career out of We
were three plays away in that game, only one in.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
That one two over there.
Speaker 4 (14:09):
I mean we were an undefeated season. I mean it
was six maybe eight plays that defined our year. But
for Eli Manning, yeah, I mean the arguments are fun.
I can't wait to talk to Jay Cole about it
at length, to hear the arguments. And I'm sure the
regular season numbers come into play in terms of wins losses,
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but the whole idea, and I know this week has
been hijacked by NBA trades, don't get me wrong, But
year after year, what is the ultimate event in the
universe for television, for viewing, for Gluttney, for everything else.
Speaker 3 (14:47):
It's a Super Bowl.
Speaker 4 (14:49):
So on the grandest stage he's shown brightest twice against
Tom Brady.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
Everybody's darling.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
You can't tell the story of the NF without Eli Manning.
He should have been, he should have been.
Speaker 3 (15:03):
He can't.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
I would like to. I'm a Jets fan. I don't
want to, but i'd like to. I'd love to do that,
but I can't. I can't do it.
Speaker 3 (15:08):
That's just amazing.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
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minutes ago TJ. Tonight, the Pro Football Hall of Fame
voters all drank Eli's milkshake.
Speaker 3 (17:31):
TJ. They drank it up. They basically threw bowling pins
at him.
Speaker 8 (17:37):
At this point, they took a big straw and reached
all the way from their voting tablets all the way
over to the button to press and they pressed that
button that said not a Hall of Famer.
Speaker 4 (17:49):
I've actually done that when you've worked from home and
I've been in the studio, I've done the way over
to make a point.
Speaker 3 (17:57):
Yeah, no, just stay Eli. They sunned him. Drainage, Eli, drainage, drainage,
drainage in Hall of Fame arguments.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
You know, you know the thing about it. And again
we're just getting here. Eli Manning not elected to the
Pro Football Hall of Fame. The class of twenty twenty
five was just announced. Jared Allen, Eric Allen, Sterling, Sharp,
Antonio Gates all get in.
Speaker 3 (18:19):
Eli Manning does not.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
And you know, to further this thing a little bit
like sometimes the thing a quarterback does he doesn't get
enough credit for. And the thing that stands out to me,
I was for Eli. You know, you have the helmet catch,
you have the past to Mario Manningham. When I was
I was ten feet behind Eli when he threw that
past to Manningham, and I was like, that doesn't have
a pro Oh my god, he completed that. Is that
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one of the things he did better than almost anybody
I've ever seen in the NFL, better than Brady, better
than Mahomes, is that he always at the line of scrimmage,
got the Giants into the right formation based on what
the defense had. What he's able to do that he
was right away it was okay, this is happening here,
This is happening here. Now what does that do when
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he throws those fifty to fifty balls, Because that's Eli, right,
that's his game. Hey, he would find the one on
one coverage and he would throw that fifty to fifty ball,
going Okay, I'm gonna give a Keen Nicks a chance
to make a play in this. Victor Cruz is gonna
get a chance to make a play on this, and
putting it a spot where all right, it's either gonna
be my guy and incompletes a bit of a risk,
but it's my guy. An incomplete pass and when and
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getting everything, getting the Giant through the right formation and
knowing where he's going with the football, being very decisive,
like you increase the percentage of how you're going to
complete the passes and how your offense moves up and
down the field, and it's not where Hey, look at the.
Speaker 3 (19:38):
Army hat on this. Look at what he did.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
Look at the vision he had as oh, he threw
that ball up and the Kee Nicks made a great play. Well,
you got to go back to the beginning and see
how okay he saw what was going on. He sent
the guy in motion, so that cleared out. So now
it's one on one coverage. They couldn't they couldn't drop
a safety back. He had to follow across the line
where Victor Cruz went, and he knew a Keem nixy
audible to a deep out or or some kind of
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a jump ball pattern, and he threw the ball up
and he caught it. Like that's all part of what
a quarterback does. But I don't think Eli ever really
got enough credit for that, because that's what he did
so much better than everybody else was here's Eli. Like
I can tell you my Giants fans family, they're all
Giants fans. My aunts and uncles, they're all Giants fans,
and they're all like, we watch a game together, and
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they would go, get the playoff.
Speaker 3 (20:23):
Eli, what's he doing? Get the playoff? Get the playoff?
When do you come on, Eli? When you get the playoff?
All right? All right, they get the playoff because he.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
Would take the clock all the way down towards zero
because he knew what he wanted to do, and that's
something he just doesn't get credit for stuff like that,
which I don't know that I've seen a guy do
anything better than that. No, But that's where it gets
back into you settle into the minutia, and he's gonna
lose that debate because everybody loved his brother for all
of those very same reasons.
Speaker 4 (20:48):
Right, great regular season success, ELI greater than Peyton in playoffs, Right,
same number of Super Bowls, ELI winner of two, and
Peyton had to get dragged to that second.
Speaker 3 (21:03):
Count.
Speaker 4 (21:05):
But it's the whole thing, Right, it's now we parse
out how much you love different parts of guy's resumes
and Eli to your point about the body language. Hell,
when he hosted Saturday at Live, they did a whole
bit where he's on a witness stand and it's all
just emoji faces basically that he's doing and he leaned
into it, and he has in his in his post career,
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like if he'd been that guy and been a smart ass.
Kind of like the celebration of Belichick and all these
guys and they're in their post playing and coaching careers.
Not that Belichick's done altogether as he gets ready for
North Carolina. But just the idea of wow, if I
had that personality, I like this guy a lot more.
And maybe for Eli that might have helped.
Speaker 3 (21:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
I mean, look like I said, the first half of
his career when it was about body language, looked like
he was complaining in morose all the time. They did
him no favors, especially in New York when hey, when
when you have to have image, you have to have
the right optics. Can't just win, you gotta win the
right way.
Speaker 4 (22:00):
Well, but look at the career of Jay Cutler, right
type one diabetic countenance on the sideline.
Speaker 3 (22:05):
He wasn't run.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
Around beating eyes, but because he didn't look happy all
the time, like he became the bad game if.
Speaker 3 (22:13):
He had become smoking Jay Cutler earlier in his career.
Speaker 4 (22:16):
Made but just in general, right, like when when do
we get reaction when people are really mad? Like casually
we get it at a boy at Swollen Dome at
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Speaker 4 (22:32):
But you know, most of the time, what do people write,
customer service man, you're doing a bangup job.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
No, my driver threw that on the side of my house.
Speaker 4 (22:41):
I didn't know it was there because there was no picture,
so I went several days without the medication that I
was waiting at Maslin. You're getting the angry response. Likewise,
on a sideline. It's not normally like, boy, that guy's
having fun. What was the AJ Brown when they showed
him on the sideline with the look.
Speaker 3 (22:59):
It wasn't be because hey, there's happy a J. Brown
with a book. No, here's his stat line right now?
Is he pissed off? We got guys reading. He's read
that show up that show him on the television. He's reading.
He's not happy. Let's show him there. Yah, I'll tell
it's not look good.
Speaker 4 (23:13):
Right, But any quarterback after a bad sequence, you're far
more likely to get a response on the sideline after
the initial DAPs like a touchdown.
Speaker 3 (23:22):
All right, cool, celebration, slap on the head. That's it.
We're back to the action.
Speaker 4 (23:26):
And now we're showing the angry defensive coordinator and defensive
captain on the other side.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
We're not showing guys happy. Yeah, we just don't show
guys when they're happy. It's just that it's not often
there happy.
Speaker 3 (23:38):
No, no, no.
Speaker 4 (23:38):
But even when you celebrate, right, it's all right, there's
the guy celebrating the end zone. Normally it's the quarterback
with the head slap, unless they rushed for the touchdown.
Then they get a little more ass kissing on the
on the broadcast, but otherwise they're on. They're on to
the next thing. And look, if it bleeds, it leads.
We get to the unhappy side of the equation and
the complaint department a lot easier.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
So Eli, Hall of Famer. All of what we've been
talking about the last half hour held against him, and
he should be in the guy. Look what he did
in the Super Bowls. I mean that that's the end
of the game right there. That's that's the end of
the discussion. But as you say, unhappiness happy, we're talking
about Eli, how about something on the other side of
the coin. Let's go one hundred and eighty degrees, because
(24:20):
Frostburg has something for us, which is Snoop Dogg delivering
a special message at the NFL Honors.
Speaker 3 (24:27):
Is that what he's got? Jokes? Oh, Snoop Dogg's got jokes?
Is it about Is it about his offensive coordinator? Wait?
Can we can he doesn't mention the jets, it's too
low hanging?
Speaker 2 (24:37):
Can we play them?
Speaker 3 (24:37):
We're okay to play them. Well, let's find.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
Because I've seen some of Snoop's you know, best of
viral moments and and we can't play them.
Speaker 3 (24:46):
Well with the risk I'm willing to take.
Speaker 4 (24:48):
Been working hard this week, so he is ready now,
you know what with the dump button at any moment.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
You know, Tyser told me for the show how easy
his job is. Tell me how easy it is so well,
maybe he's just a wizard. He tells me it's so easy.
Speaker 3 (24:59):
No, he's Jake.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
My job is really he's part of the Fantastic four.
Uh maybe Yeah, he'll be a pretty good even been
pretty good read Richards. I can see you being really
elastic because you're tall in your things. Yeah, I can
see you pretty last. In a few minutes, when Monty's
doing what's trending, I'll come into the room and I'll
see how much I can pull your arms and see
how far. And you stay one side and we'll pull
you and see if we can really stretch.
Speaker 3 (25:20):
Only if you show me a good first step.
Speaker 4 (25:23):
My first stuff be grabbing you and pulling. Never gonna happen.
All right, Snoop, what do you got?
Speaker 1 (25:27):
So let's hear some of Snoop's jokes at NFL Honors.
Speaker 9 (25:31):
Because I've been a football fan for a long long time.
I mean, I remember back when the Cowboys was good,
I remember back when the Chiefs was bad.
Speaker 3 (25:45):
And I remember what was it? Bill Belichick's girlfriend wasn't
even born yet. I'm not on Snapchace giggling, and the
girl is not happy about it?
Speaker 1 (26:02):
Of course, of course not. You're gonna own and own it,
you know, of course, what's he gonna do?
Speaker 3 (26:10):
No, she's not really twenty four, she's really forty eight?
Is she really?
Speaker 1 (26:13):
No?
Speaker 3 (26:13):
But I'm just gonna say that to get you to
stop asking questions. Look, at this point you got to
lean into it. Yeah. Well, well, and you know, Jerry,
you got no choice.
Speaker 1 (26:20):
What do you think Stephen Jones His reaction to the
to the Snoop dog was do you think he said that, Hey, hey,
we're not in a drought, Snoop, There's no drought.
Speaker 3 (26:26):
There's no thirty year drought here. Man? He held up,
what the estimated value is off.
Speaker 7 (26:30):
The last Forbes list was the better place guys when
the Chiefs were bad.
Speaker 3 (26:36):
Oh that was a long time ago, man, that was
that was your talk. Thanks for reminding me. That was
a long long time ago.
Speaker 4 (26:41):
By the way, Belichick's red suit coat looks like he's
getting ready to offer me.
Speaker 3 (26:44):
Uh, do you want the whiter the red?
Speaker 7 (26:46):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (26:47):
Why is he not? He looks like he's ready for
his return down. Yeah?
Speaker 1 (26:50):
Why is he not wearing powder blue? Like you should
be wearing North Carolina powder blue?
Speaker 3 (26:54):
Let him get it.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
He should look like where you're going, Deck, I don't know.
He's Isaac the Bartender on all the different places he's.
Speaker 3 (27:03):
Reading to fight Nel Gibson and the Patriot. The bartender. Here,
he's a bartender. Here, he's a bartender. Here's a bartender.
Speaker 1 (27:09):
We got more coming up in ninety seconds, but first,
let's find.
Speaker 3 (27:13):
Out what's trending in the wide world of sports.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
From someone who's been called the Bill Bellichick of Fox
Sports Radio.
Speaker 3 (27:18):
That's right, one of the best coaches you'll ever see,
that's right, who's now coaching in.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
College and hates the Jets. It's Monty Belagyas all.
Speaker 2 (27:28):
Of those things seem accurate.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
You're waiting for me to say something different every single time.
Speaker 3 (27:32):
Yes, where is he?
Speaker 6 (27:34):
Where's gonna say next?
Speaker 2 (27:36):
They all seem accurate, guys.
Speaker 6 (27:39):
Kevin O'Connell has won the Coach of the Year at
the NFL Honors.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
The Pro Football Hall.
Speaker 6 (27:45):
Of Fame class, which you guys have been talking about.
Jared Allen, Sterling Sharp, Eric Allen, Antonio Gates, no Eli
Manning not a Hall of Famer in his first year
of eligibility. Bengals quarterback Joe Burrow is the comeback player
of the Year. In Eagles running back Saquon Barkley is
the offensive place of the year.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
We're waiting on the MVP.
Speaker 6 (28:02):
Tracy Wilson tweeted about now twenty five minutes ago, congratulations
to Josh Allen.
Speaker 3 (28:08):
But it hasn't been announced. But she tweeted that about
twenty five minutes ago, and people I like, yes because
getting banned. Yeah, the only one who allows, the only
one who has it. And people are like, this isn't
out yet? Deleted? She deleted it is.
Speaker 6 (28:21):
It officially deleted?
Speaker 3 (28:22):
She officially deleted.
Speaker 6 (28:23):
She got crucified.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
It was twenty five minutes.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
Okay, okay, hang on you're missing what's important right now.
Frostburg called Vegas. Put all my money on Josh.
Speaker 3 (28:31):
Allen, right, all of our money. Yeah, I got it.
Y let it all on there.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (28:39):
But you know they're all going when like the Leal goes,
no more mad, no more, no more bad.
Speaker 2 (28:44):
That's exactly what's happening.
Speaker 7 (28:46):
But if you got to be that in a hurry
to be first with something that has that has.
Speaker 3 (28:50):
Not bene yes, No, you can't do that. You can't
do that. Really she did she deleted it.
Speaker 6 (28:55):
Oh wow, okay, all right, she she she was getting
crucified on those comments. In the NBA, guys, we've got
the Nuggets who are pulling away from the Magic seventy
five to fifty eight halfway through the third quarter. Nikola
Yoka's twenty four points, six rebounds, eight assists the Lakers
on top of the Warriors at home thirty four to
twenty one. Early in the second and late in the first.
It's the Trailblazers who are beating the Kings twenty seven
(29:17):
to twenty five. The Mavericks beat the Celtics in Boston,
won twenty seven to one. Twenty Anthony Davis did not
make his debut. They're hopeful that he can play Saturday
at home against Houston. The Rockets and the Timberwolves went
back and forth, but Minnesota pulled away. They won it
one twenty seven to one fourteen. Anthony Edwards put on
another show yesterday at forty nine points, today eight to
forty seven points, and has officially surpassed one thousand threes made.
(29:41):
Also Jimmy Butler sound guys, here you go.
Speaker 5 (29:44):
I'm so happy to.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
Be playing basketball again.
Speaker 5 (29:47):
Honestly before an organization like this one with some hell
of five talent that we have. I'm glad that I
get the opportunity to get here and help get this
to winning and do something special. I think that's why
I'm here and now my our best to do what
everybody wants, and that's to win a championship.
Speaker 8 (30:03):
I mean.
Speaker 6 (30:04):
And this was just set ahead of the Warriors Lakers game.
Thank you to Brandon for pulling that sound back to
you guys, Thank.
Speaker 3 (30:11):
You very much.
Speaker 6 (30:11):
Man.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
So yeah, I would assume that somebody at CBS made
a phone call say hey, hey, what the hell are
you doing?
Speaker 3 (30:19):
To take that tweet to what the hell is going on?
Speaker 2 (30:22):
Now?
Speaker 3 (30:22):
Here's the thing is that.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
I'm pretty sure Tracy Wolfson and Josh Allen Hiley Steinfeld
like they're friends, like they know each other like off
the field, and and it's it's kind of relations I have.
But still, you know, you know, you're not supposed to
tweet that stuff out. This is this is a and
I this is not This is not a Hey. If
I don't come out with this, it's breaking news that
an Adam Schefter or Jay Glazer or someone would have.
Speaker 3 (30:48):
Hey.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
If I don't have it, somebody else is gonna get it,
right Because I remember Rose before ESPN, Like that's how
long ago it was when he would come on our
show and and he would say, you know, hey, Woad
you you you tip the picks here and stuff going
on before work goes on the broadcast, he goes, you know,
I don't. I don't work for anybody else. If I
find out some information that is that is a news.
I'm gonna tell you. If I know where a trade
(31:08):
is gonna happen before it's announced, and I get it
from the inside or part of it, this is different.
This is hey, we have a vote. Everybody, you know,
everybody keeps it quiet. This is because this is something
that everybody it's understood. You're keeping this quiet, right, You're
keeping this quiet when news breaks. Now, okay, news breaks.
We can't hold on to breaking news. We have to
kind of let it go. This is a vote, This
was something that was everybody was understood. And wow, this
(31:31):
whole situation. I can't wait to see how this thing
plays out.
Speaker 4 (31:34):
This is funny because now you're starting to get into
a conspiratorial space.
Speaker 3 (31:39):
Where it's like, did she get hacked? Was it really
Tracy Wolfson?
Speaker 4 (31:43):
All these things like oh, okay, now now we're starting
to get in into those kind of things. But yeah,
I mean, like she won of the leads for CBS,
She's done a lot of Josh Allen in Buffalo bill games.
But I have to ask this though about Sham since
he's kind of running in a post these days, does
his valuation go down go I mean, because there really
(32:05):
are he's running out a pose like this is like
winning a congressional seat in a small town or you're
running for public school boards.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
Yeah, there's nobody else in the NBA. Then the closest
thing is Shifter. He's the evil Empire. He's a one
man evil empire. Now he's the Yankees of basketball, So
I mean I don't have to pay him top dollar
anymore now because he's running out of pos. Yeah, but
as long as he keeps coming up with stuff like, hey, guys,
Luca got traded for a d Oh.
Speaker 3 (32:29):
I think that's where. But we were all gonna know eventually.
Speaker 5 (32:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (32:32):
Yeah, but somebody's got to say it, somebody just because
it got you excited, like you had another kid?
Speaker 1 (32:38):
Uh exit? How about a Fresca exits falls in trouble.
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Speaker 1 (32:59):
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(33:46):
all kinds of content for you from tonight. Pro Football
Hall of Fame vote. Eli Manning does not get in,
and the NFL MVP was just announced and the winner
is someone I would have had third on my ballot.
You would have had someone you picked. He was your
pick preseason to win NFL MVP. Garrett Wilson ex Jet
(34:08):
and now Good. Tracy Wolfson was correct in her early
tweet foreshadowing that Josh Allen would be named NFL MVP.
He wins his first MVP, the odds on him shifted
drastically in the last few hours.
Speaker 3 (34:24):
Maybe that's why Trace Willson.
Speaker 1 (34:25):
Now I can tweet this out, but look, this is
really a surprise for me because Lamar Jackson out everything
to him, right, I mean Lamar Jackson threw for forty
one touchdowns and Josh Allen threw for twenty eight.
Speaker 3 (34:38):
Okay, I mean that's that's a big deal.
Speaker 1 (34:40):
You want to say, Oh, but Josh Allen running the ball. Yeah,
Josh Allen ran for five hundred yards and twelve touchdowns.
Speaker 3 (34:44):
Okay, that's great.
Speaker 1 (34:45):
Lamar Jackson ran for nearly one thousand yards and four
more touchdowns. So he ran for more yards, he threw
for more yards, had a better quarterback rating, counted for
more touchdowns. I feel like this Josh Allen and oh,
by the way, Saquon Barkley had an all time great
year for a running back, two thousand yards rushing, single
handedly catapulting the Eagles through all kinds of drama that
(35:07):
they couldn't stay away from. But I feel like Josh
Allen won. Kind of like when people win Oscars because
you look at someone like the like this, You're like
Demi Moore is the favorite to win for the Substance, right,
And I watched Substance and she was okay, Like I
caught her acting so many times, but she gets nominated
for a movie that had a lot of buzz and
(35:29):
she you know, she's a big star in it, and
she's made a lot of money for Hollywood. She's had
an incredible career for the past thirty five years.
Speaker 3 (35:36):
So yeah, when she's in a movie that.
Speaker 1 (35:38):
Has buzz and and and she's and she's and she's
not bad, Okay, this is when we can give her
the Best Actress Award, Right, they do it for a
lot of people.
Speaker 3 (35:45):
Leo won.
Speaker 1 (35:46):
Leo DiCaprio won for a movie he was unconscious for
over forty five percent of it.
Speaker 4 (35:50):
Yeah, but he sold me he really might have been
passed out.
Speaker 3 (35:54):
What do I do in this scene? Just lay there
like you're passed out?
Speaker 1 (35:56):
Awesome, I can do that, And I almost feel like, well,
Lamar Jackson has already won a couple, this is our
chance to give josh Allen the MVP because I don't
know if he's going to get one again.
Speaker 3 (36:07):
I don't know it.
Speaker 1 (36:07):
But we can give him the MVP now because is
giving it to Lamar? Do we really need to give
him a third one? Or does Josh Allen need to
get one? Because boy, he's had a great career and
he's fallen short, but boy, he's been really really good.
Like I kind of feel like that's what happened.
Speaker 4 (36:22):
I think some of it also comes into expectations, Right,
the Ravens won thirteen games last year and you picked
up Derrick Henry, who for a chunk of the season you.
Speaker 3 (36:33):
Would have made the argument he's your MVP.
Speaker 4 (36:36):
Right early on in the season he was dominant, and
Ronnie Stanley and that offensive line healthy. Over on the
Barkley side of things in in division, you had great
expectations for what they could be, right if they sorted
out what happened last year, the collapse and everything else
and all the drama that you still had on paper
(36:57):
one of the top three rosters coming. And that's before
you add Barkley to the equation. You're looking at your
offensive line, you look at your defense like, this is
a team that's ready to go win and perform well.
And Barkley did just that because they'd run the ball
well with the likes of Boston Scott kend Of Gainwell
and others in the past. This is where your Jets
(37:17):
actually play a major role in this award. We shut
him down because the expectation was what was the sexy
Super Bowl pick. What was the sexy AFC East. They're
gonna run and hide. Buffalo's gonna regress. Buffalo's gonna be bad.
Look at what they've got a lot of questions. Turnover
at this turnover, at that defense that's gonna have issues offensively. Look,
(37:41):
we've celebrated James Cook on this show from a fantasy
perspective as sure as hell on the iwatcher Flex podcast.
Banged the drum for him for a couple of years now,
and he had a magnificent year wide receiving corps nothing
to write home about, right, Dalton Kinkaid pretty good in spots,
Dawson Knox pretty good in spots wide receiving role a
(38:02):
cast to.
Speaker 3 (38:02):
Characters really this year.
Speaker 4 (38:04):
Right, So from an expectations standpoint, they over delivered. And
that's where Josh Allen, if there was any let's you know,
go to the crossroads here and decide, well, they're all
kind of close. He wins because the expectations on him
were lower.
Speaker 1 (38:21):
Well, I also feel like the voters saw him with
those back to back games, which also happened to coincide
with Fantasy playoffs, where he had like twelve touchdowns each
week in two high profile games against the Rams where
they lost forty four to forty two, and when they
beat and they beat the Lions forty eight forty two. Right,
these are games where he had five touchdowns in each
game and it was an incredible run for him. He
(38:43):
ran for eighty yards in each game. He threw for
over three hundred and fifty yards in each game. Like, Okay,
I'm done, I'm done filling out my ballot now. Because
Josh Allen had these two games near the end of
the season that were really really good, like that did it?
It's like, okay, no, the whole season to those goes.
Take those two games out, and what kind of did
he really have that great dominant season When you're talking
(39:05):
about you know, a third of his touchdowns coming in
coming in in two games they finish forty total touchdowns.
Speaker 4 (39:12):
You you look at what the Bills did as a squad,
because you got to do that. It's not all just
stat driven, as much as we may like it to
be sometimes.
Speaker 1 (39:19):
Olamar Jackson won won the division. You had all that,
and I mean, but but again, Eagles won the division.
Speaker 4 (39:24):
Part of it is coming off of expectations, Right, the
Bills were not expected to play as well as they did,
so tada, you get a little more extra love for Josh.
Speaker 1 (39:33):
He was expected to still be really good, though, Sally Piels, Oh,
Josh Allen's going to be terrible.
Speaker 3 (39:37):
To be really good. What happens if you don't win games?
Speaker 4 (39:40):
You get dismissed, right, Yeah, Joe Burrow had a great
finish to the season. Guess what they didn't bother to
play football in September and it comes back to buy Yeah,
you know that first month of.
Speaker 1 (39:51):
The year when you're just kind of easing yourself back in.
Its not like the old John Gruden. I want six
preseason games. I want to be playing preseason games from
July all the way until the middle.
Speaker 4 (39:59):
Of Like they all count the same, right, because Joe
Burrow had a magnificent year, many wins, Comeback Player of
the Year, all of these things, and you know, the
most divisive of awards because everybody trying to argue why
and how and.
Speaker 3 (40:11):
Who should actually be eligible for set award.
Speaker 4 (40:14):
But Joe Burrow had a magnificent year from pillar to post,
but he's not considered because they lost too many games.
He just gets thrown away. Likewise, with Josh Allen. The
expectation was that they might not be a great team.
He'd put up his numbers, but they struggle. Again, your
Jets playing a very big role. Why because they were terrible,
(40:34):
so they helped repel.
Speaker 3 (40:35):
Him doing that.
Speaker 4 (40:35):
Look, I wouldn't have been mad if it was any
of the three guys. I mean, Lamar Jackson's year was absurd.
Forty one and four, sixty seven percent completion rate, just
an amazing I mean, it's amalgam of stats and performances.
Speaker 3 (40:48):
Look, we'll have more.
Speaker 1 (40:49):
On this coming up, because it really is sometimes about
a lifetime achievement award. Josh Allen's your NFL MVP. We
got that. And the guy who didn't get traded today
in the NBA that still own the deadline, that's next.
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Here we are right now waiting for two things. Waiting
for the beginning of Warriors Lakers. No new players, but
we're waiting for Warriors Lakers and waiting for the announcement
of the new class of the Pro Football Hall of Fame.
The NFL honors going on right now. Jae Daniels Offensive
Rookie of the Year, Aaron Rodgers has been named MVPP,
(01:22):
so name the MVP. But it should be sometime soon
we find out who's getting into CANTON. I would say
sometime within the next hour, because they're roll into a
lot of the awards. Now we're still win MVP, Joe Burrow,
Comeback Player of the Year, Saquon Barkley Offensive Player of
the Year. So we should get to that, we should
get MVP, then we should get here. If it's not Gates,
(01:43):
heads we'll roll.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
I will tell you this. I know you're upset.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
I know you're upset, but I'll tell you two things
off off the ball, give you two big predictions. I
will say that one hundred percent Antonio Gates and Eli
Manning are getting in. Now we add Jason Cole on
the show the other night, very evasive. Yesterday Football Hall
of Fame voter, we taught what the one thing he
told us was the biggest debate was for Eli men
which is no, no ship course as a quarterback. The
(02:09):
biggest debate was Eli Manning because Manning's career is very polarizing, right.
But when it comes down to it, I will say
for Gates, I disagree, but I think last year they.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
Probably held the ped stuff against it.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
Ah, you know, and we're gonna keep you out, which
is stupid because that's not part of your job. But again, voters,
but I would I would say, come on, the guy's
one of the top three tight ends to ever play
the game.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
He's got to get in the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 4 (02:34):
So, but it's the stuff that keeps you on or
off the field, right, because that's not going outside the purview,
that's not you know, hey, something you did in the
you know, in the street. He kept them off for
four games.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
I've got a data fourteen year careers, but you extrapa
la from you know, it kept him off for four
But what.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
Did it mean for the rest of his career? Though?
Sixteen more touchdowns he's gonna have is that four?
Speaker 4 (03:00):
But it's the argument of what does it mean for
your career if you got popped? And consistency right and football,
you know, there's one set of criteria obviously when we
talk about with the Baseball Hall of Fame and the lunacy,
that is that voting populous. You know, those seventy three
people that decide to hide instead of saying, Wow, I'm
(03:22):
really proud I get a vote. Nope, nope, cover of
Night never to be disclosed. But these are kind of
a big deal still, I mean football less so, but
you still got hit for it.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
But that's why I think that they did a one
year Sure, Hey, well this is going to be your penalty,
which like really, I mean it's not. This is a person.
Your your job is to figure out is he a
Hall of Famer or not? Not? Well, he'll be a
Hall of Famer next year because this year I want
to wait a year because of the pier.
Speaker 4 (03:48):
Like, that's just stupid. They do that every year, like
they do. How many times do we go, all right,
this guy's on his eighth year of the ballot.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
Stupid. I'm agreeing on percent.
Speaker 4 (04:00):
But it's not like we're setting precedent with Antonio Gates.
I mean, too, was one of the best receivers we've
seen for a quarter century. And would he have Ah,
there were a couple of guys that really didn't like him. Yeah,
and he was bolarizing, he was mean to us in
the media, So let's keep him out.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
So I think Gates will get in, And I really
do believe Eli Manning's getting in the fact that it
was a big debate, I get But when it comes
down to it, Eli Manning and there's two schools have
thought of wins aren't a quarterback stat. Ah, they kind
of are. No one's gonna remember what Eli Manning's stats were,
but they remember him beating Tom Brady in the Super
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Bowl twice, not once, but twice, once, ruining a perfect season,
once on one of the great final drives, one of
the best passes you'll ever see a quarterback throw in
a Super Bowl, as big completion Amario manningham in the
second Super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
So yeah, wins, wins kind.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
Of are a quarterback stat They kind of are, because
that's what it comes down to in your career. If
Eli Manning doesn't win the Super Bowls, he doesn't get in.
I'm with you that it's part of his name. His record, oh,
by the way, was just over five hundred one eighteen
one seventeen for his career. But the Hall of Fame
is you make your career by winning and playing big
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on the biggest stage, and the Super Bowl is the
biggest stage in all of sports. And yeah, when you
win twice and you lead your team on game winning
drives both times, and you beat a team that we
thought was unbeatable both times. Guess what, Eli Manning is
a Hall of Famer. I mean, I can't believe it's
that much of a debate.
Speaker 3 (05:30):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
And if if you want to say, well his record
was just over five hundred, well, okay, so his record
counts in the regular season, but it doesn't count in
the Super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
But like, what are you gonna say?
Speaker 4 (05:39):
But the incongruity to all of it, right, even those
teams were terrible, Those Giant squads for a long time
were bad.
Speaker 3 (05:47):
You had a couple of years with the defense was.
Speaker 4 (05:49):
Really really good. Right, And that's where we can get
into an argument of should he have won one of
those different Super Bowl MVPs? Well, probably not, but he did.
You do you can't take it away in PostScript, Well
we'll go back and rewatch the game and relegislate it.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
But we can't do it.
Speaker 4 (06:06):
But like for his career, he's he's eleventh all time
in a number of passing categories two hundred and forty
two passing yards a game. Yes, he threw interceptions, it's
also a different time, a different style.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
Right.
Speaker 4 (06:19):
We don't kill Brett Farv the same way he was
a stat aggregator Eli Manning showed up for work every day, right,
If we're gonna do that for Brett Favre and we're
gonna sit at the altar of Cal Ripken Junior on
the baseball side, how come.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
Eli does he get the love for that?
Speaker 4 (06:33):
He was beaten the hell and he showed up, right,
And then you talk about the postseasons.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
Oh he only made it six times. Okay, they won
two of those.
Speaker 4 (06:43):
And yes, you can make your arguments for Jim Plunkett,
get loud for him if you feel like it, he too.
But in this era when we talk about the pantheon,
a big plays highlight moments and you felled Tom Brady
like that all counts in a much different way. You
don't have to like it, which is why we get
into these stupid ass arguments.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
Well, you know what I would the the back half
of Eli's career was fantastic, right, it was the two
Super Bowls. I I look at it as if I
could see people voting against him. They just didn't like
him for the first few years of his career. Because
here comes Eli, Peyton's brother. Already, you're gonna have a
little bit of built in polarized and paid play, he's
(07:25):
got ye power play to get traded out of the
fro Who is this guy?
Speaker 5 (07:29):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (07:29):
You know you're not too good to play for the Chargers.
You want to move on? And his body language sucked.
His body language was terrible, and it looked like he
was always complaining coming off the field. He had bad faces.
And I'm sorry, but that that pushes a lot of
people one way over the other. Because Eli, you know,
you see they go look at you, look look at him,
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look at him moaning and complain to look, he's look
at him showing up his receiver that played it and
had just else you know that, but that, But but
Eli gets got a lot of that attention. So I
think the first half of his care he had to
overcome a lot. But then, you know, you have the
two Super.
Speaker 4 (08:02):
Bowls, but you also have he's with the Giants. So
as much as you know, at times they became from
a football perspective kind of ir irrelevant.
Speaker 3 (08:13):
They were still the Giants.
Speaker 4 (08:14):
So like the Cowboys being shown every Sunday, guess what
Eli and the Giants were on TV an awful lot.
So while we just watched Luka Doncic get introduced at
at at mid court before the Laker gave it Ay
Warriors just under take off the fat suit. No, but
he made a shot over his head without looking.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
Really, no he didn't.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
So while that is happening, speaking of getting their flowers
waving to the crowd, we now know some information about
the Pro Football Hall of Fame, and the person who
knows it bet a lot of money on this class
getting in. She has a big parlay she knows on
people getting in. Monty Bolognos. What do you got for us?
Speaker 6 (08:52):
Well, guys, we know the Pro Football Hall of Fame
class of twenty twenty five, and it's Jared Allen, sterly Sharp,
Eric Allen and Antonio Gates is not his first year
of eligibility.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
What you got two guys named Alan, but not one name?
He had two Mannings.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
He got two. Couldn't let him in. Jared Allen couldn't
let him in.
Speaker 7 (09:18):
They let you stats for days, baby.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
They let Steve Allen in. He got into. Uh Neil Allen,
former Mets.
Speaker 4 (09:25):
Pitcher, just brought all his old Keenan Allen files. They
just said, just stop. It's kind of like the Andy
du Frame letters showing up here. Build your damn library.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
So Jared Allen gets in, Eric Allen gets in Sterling
Sharp and Antonio Gates.
Speaker 3 (09:40):
All Right, that is an interesting class one for on that.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
I mean, I wonder is it is it a whole
thing where I'll vote for Eli next year, right, Like
I'll vote for next year.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
I'm not going to vote for He's not gonna get
in his first year.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
He's too polariz He you can't get in the first year,
So I'm gonna hold it against him. He's gonna get
in next year.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
Like that. That's kind of how I feel this is
going on. I really am surprised.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
I really am stunned he wasn't getting because that's the
thing about the Hall of Fame, and this is where
we get to there's a lot of minutia, but we
go back to where each ro didn't get in the
Hall of Fame, right, Like, why why is it important
not getting a Hall of Fame? Didn't have one person
vote for him for the Hall of Fame? Why is
it important that Intro get unanimously elected? Because we let
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in and and and the voters let in a wide
swath of players who some of them really aren't nearly
as good as the players who are at the top level, right,
the guys we just let in and had the most votes. Recently,
Rivera was unanimously selected. Jeter missed on a vote. Jeter said,
probably the same guy didn't vote for each O. Petro
misses by a vote, right like, okay, so so, Billy
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Wagner Hall of Famer, Ichro Suzuki Hall of Famer. Billy
Wagner is not nearly the player then Echrosuzuki was. Billy
Wagner was very good. I'd like to see him, could
have led the league in something once, you know, to
be to be a Hall of Famer, but he didn't.
We the baseball is caught up in let's make sure
we have big lasses all the time, or it looks
like we don't have good players, which next year is
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going to be really interesting. But that's kind of what
baseball is. So that's why it's important to have that
distinction of these guys going in unanimously because the boy
that's that's a special wing of the guys are better.
And now that plays out here into football because how
many people said, Okay, here's Hall of famers, the biggest ones.
I'm making sure they all get him. The first ballot.
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But the other Hall of famers that might not be
as good, the very good players that might not be
as good as the best players, they have to wait
a year because they shouldn't have that. They're not of
the same ill caliber of player that we let in.
The guys like Peyton Manning, Oh, first ballot Hall of Famer,
he's an obvioys. I'll look at Peyton man Now. Eli's
not a first ballot guy. Eli's a second ballot guy.
(11:45):
And I guarantee you that was part of the thinking
that didn't put him in.
Speaker 4 (11:48):
Oh, only four guys go in, and I think they're
all except for Gates. I think we all agreed Gates
was gonna get in. Yeah, and then we were just
talking about the well, why maybe you could argue against
it against Eventually you're saying he's a Hall of Famer,
but you know, won't make him sweat a year. All right,
it's one year and he needn't get to do the
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inscription and cash in on it. But for Eli, it's curious, right,
Sterling Sharp, I'm happy as hell he gets in. Great player,
derailed by injury, but again a bit of a surprise.
Jared Allen, Eric Allen. I wouldn't have had them on
my short parlay right, vanitary even though he's a kicker, yep,
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from this history of the game kind of thing.
Speaker 3 (12:32):
Yeah, right, when you tell the Mike the old you
tell the tale.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
And you can't tell the story of the NFL without
Eli Manning, without Antonio Gates, Right, you need to tell this?
Do you need those two to tell the story of
the NFL?
Speaker 2 (12:43):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (12:43):
Gates? Certainly from his origins? We again, right?
Speaker 4 (12:47):
Is the thing that really, I mean, the production is
obviously off the charts, don't get me wrong, but it
all starts with this guy wasn't even playing football, really
need to become one of the guys that every every
game you watch, watch him in the low post, watch
him go like he's playing, like he's playing hoops out there,
watch him set this guy up and then Philip rivers
and he just time it again. And obviously Frostburg's over
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the moon on this one.
Speaker 3 (13:11):
Gate but only four get in.
Speaker 4 (13:13):
Yeah, means you couldn't find a consensus something fifty guy couldn't.
Speaker 3 (13:16):
That's carry Eli.
Speaker 7 (13:18):
Okay, you're giving Eli way too much credit. Outside of
the two Super Bowls he was he was Okay, Yeah,
that's part of what it is. It's the Super Bowl
win and.
Speaker 3 (13:27):
Being the NBA.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
Wait wait wait, I wing the game with two.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
Drives at the end.
Speaker 7 (13:30):
Look at those teams that he played on. When did
they get hot at maybe the last game of the season.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
Okay, the last time they got hot, got in as
a wildcard team and went on to win the Super Bowl?
Speaker 3 (13:39):
Yeah exactly.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
Yeah, second time they went on the road and the
first time title game. You can't not count that, you know.
That's like that's what you know, that's like that. That's
like that's like Ryan Day last year when he said,
you know, outside of five or six plays against Michigan,
you know we won that game, right, I mean I know,
but those five or six plays all went for eighty
five yards in a touchdown.
Speaker 3 (13:59):
You fifty five to twenty.
Speaker 4 (14:01):
Lincoln Riley is making a usc career out of We
were three plays away in that game, only one in.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
That one two over there.
Speaker 4 (14:09):
I mean we were an undefeated season. I mean it
was six maybe eight plays that defined our year. But
for Eli Manning, yeah, I mean the arguments are fun.
I can't wait to talk to Jay Cole about it
at length, to hear the arguments. And I'm sure the
regular season numbers come into play in terms of wins losses,
(14:31):
but the whole idea, and I know this week has
been hijacked by NBA trades, don't get me wrong, But
year after year, what is the ultimate event in the
universe for television, for viewing, for Gluttney, for everything else.
Speaker 3 (14:47):
It's a Super Bowl.
Speaker 4 (14:49):
So on the grandest stage he's shown brightest twice against
Tom Brady.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
Everybody's darling.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
You can't tell the story of the NF without Eli Manning.
He should have been, he should have been.
Speaker 3 (15:03):
He can't.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
I would like to. I'm a Jets fan. I don't
want to, but i'd like to. I'd love to do that,
but I can't. I can't do it.
Speaker 3 (15:08):
That's just amazing.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
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free shipping and clearly what we found out a few
minutes ago TJ. Tonight, the Pro Football Hall of Fame
voters all drank Eli's milkshake.
Speaker 3 (17:31):
TJ. They drank it up. They basically threw bowling pins
at him.
Speaker 8 (17:37):
At this point, they took a big straw and reached
all the way from their voting tablets all the way
over to the button to press and they pressed that
button that said not a Hall of Famer.
Speaker 4 (17:49):
I've actually done that when you've worked from home and
I've been in the studio, I've done the way over
to make a point.
Speaker 3 (17:57):
Yeah, no, just stay Eli. They sunned him. Drainage, Eli, drainage, drainage,
drainage in Hall of Fame arguments.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
You know, you know the thing about it. And again
we're just getting here. Eli Manning not elected to the
Pro Football Hall of Fame. The class of twenty twenty
five was just announced. Jared Allen, Eric Allen, Sterling, Sharp,
Antonio Gates all get in.
Speaker 3 (18:19):
Eli Manning does not.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
And you know, to further this thing a little bit
like sometimes the thing a quarterback does he doesn't get
enough credit for. And the thing that stands out to me,
I was for Eli. You know, you have the helmet catch,
you have the past to Mario Manningham. When I was
I was ten feet behind Eli when he threw that
past to Manningham, and I was like, that doesn't have
a pro Oh my god, he completed that. Is that
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one of the things he did better than almost anybody
I've ever seen in the NFL, better than Brady, better
than Mahomes, is that he always at the line of scrimmage,
got the Giants into the right formation based on what
the defense had. What he's able to do that he
was right away it was okay, this is happening here,
This is happening here. Now what does that do when
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he throws those fifty to fifty balls, Because that's Eli, right,
that's his game. Hey, he would find the one on
one coverage and he would throw that fifty to fifty ball,
going Okay, I'm gonna give a Keen Nicks a chance
to make a play in this. Victor Cruz is gonna
get a chance to make a play on this, and
putting it a spot where all right, it's either gonna
be my guy and incompletes a bit of a risk,
but it's my guy. An incomplete pass and when and
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getting everything, getting the Giant through the right formation and
knowing where he's going with the football, being very decisive,
like you increase the percentage of how you're going to
complete the passes and how your offense moves up and
down the field, and it's not where Hey, look at the.
Speaker 3 (19:38):
Army hat on this. Look at what he did.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
Look at the vision he had as oh, he threw
that ball up and the Kee Nicks made a great play. Well,
you got to go back to the beginning and see
how okay he saw what was going on. He sent
the guy in motion, so that cleared out. So now
it's one on one coverage. They couldn't they couldn't drop
a safety back. He had to follow across the line
where Victor Cruz went, and he knew a Keem nixy
audible to a deep out or or some kind of
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a jump ball pattern, and he threw the ball up
and he caught it. Like that's all part of what
a quarterback does. But I don't think Eli ever really
got enough credit for that, because that's what he did
so much better than everybody else was here's Eli. Like
I can tell you my Giants fans family, they're all
Giants fans. My aunts and uncles, they're all Giants fans,
and they're all like, we watch a game together, and
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they would go, get the playoff.
Speaker 3 (20:23):
Eli, what's he doing? Get the playoff? Get the playoff?
When do you come on, Eli? When you get the playoff?
All right? All right, they get the playoff because he.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
Would take the clock all the way down towards zero
because he knew what he wanted to do, and that's
something he just doesn't get credit for stuff like that,
which I don't know that I've seen a guy do
anything better than that. No, But that's where it gets
back into you settle into the minutia, and he's gonna
lose that debate because everybody loved his brother for all
of those very same reasons.
Speaker 4 (20:48):
Right, great regular season success, ELI greater than Peyton in playoffs, Right,
same number of Super Bowls, ELI winner of two, and
Peyton had to get dragged to that second.
Speaker 3 (21:03):
Count.
Speaker 4 (21:05):
But it's the whole thing, Right, it's now we parse
out how much you love different parts of guy's resumes
and Eli to your point about the body language. Hell,
when he hosted Saturday at Live, they did a whole
bit where he's on a witness stand and it's all
just emoji faces basically that he's doing and he leaned
into it, and he has in his in his post career,
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like if he'd been that guy and been a smart ass.
Kind of like the celebration of Belichick and all these
guys and they're in their post playing and coaching careers.
Not that Belichick's done altogether as he gets ready for
North Carolina. But just the idea of wow, if I
had that personality, I like this guy a lot more.
And maybe for Eli that might have helped.
Speaker 3 (21:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
I mean, look like I said, the first half of
his career when it was about body language, looked like
he was complaining in morose all the time. They did
him no favors, especially in New York when hey, when
when you have to have image, you have to have
the right optics. Can't just win, you gotta win the
right way.
Speaker 4 (22:00):
Well, but look at the career of Jay Cutler, right
type one diabetic countenance on the sideline.
Speaker 3 (22:05):
He wasn't run.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
Around beating eyes, but because he didn't look happy all
the time, like he became the bad game if.
Speaker 3 (22:13):
He had become smoking Jay Cutler earlier in his career.
Speaker 4 (22:16):
Made but just in general, right, like when when do
we get reaction when people are really mad? Like casually
we get it at a boy at Swollen Dome at
how about a fresc at Fox Sports Radio and and
and you know you're you're our greatest form of promotion
out there.
Speaker 3 (22:30):
So evangelize to the masses for us if you will.
Speaker 4 (22:32):
But you know, most of the time, what do people write,
customer service man, you're doing a bangup job.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
No, my driver threw that on the side of my house.
Speaker 4 (22:41):
I didn't know it was there because there was no picture,
so I went several days without the medication that I
was waiting at Maslin. You're getting the angry response. Likewise,
on a sideline. It's not normally like, boy, that guy's
having fun. What was the AJ Brown when they showed
him on the sideline with the look.
Speaker 3 (22:59):
It wasn't be because hey, there's happy a J. Brown
with a book. No, here's his stat line right now?
Is he pissed off? We got guys reading. He's read
that show up that show him on the television. He's reading.
He's not happy. Let's show him there. Yah, I'll tell
it's not look good.
Speaker 4 (23:13):
Right, But any quarterback after a bad sequence, you're far
more likely to get a response on the sideline after
the initial DAPs like a touchdown.
Speaker 3 (23:22):
All right, cool, celebration, slap on the head. That's it.
We're back to the action.
Speaker 4 (23:26):
And now we're showing the angry defensive coordinator and defensive
captain on the other side.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
We're not showing guys happy. Yeah, we just don't show
guys when they're happy. It's just that it's not often
there happy.
Speaker 3 (23:38):
No, no, no.
Speaker 4 (23:38):
But even when you celebrate, right, it's all right, there's
the guy celebrating the end zone. Normally it's the quarterback
with the head slap, unless they rushed for the touchdown.
Then they get a little more ass kissing on the
on the broadcast, but otherwise they're on. They're on to
the next thing. And look, if it bleeds, it leads.
We get to the unhappy side of the equation and
the complaint department a lot easier.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
So Eli, Hall of Famer. All of what we've been
talking about the last half hour held against him, and
he should be in the guy. Look what he did
in the Super Bowls. I mean that that's the end
of the game right there. That's that's the end of
the discussion. But as you say, unhappiness happy, we're talking
about Eli, how about something on the other side of
the coin. Let's go one hundred and eighty degrees, because
(24:20):
Frostburg has something for us, which is Snoop Dogg delivering
a special message at the NFL Honors.
Speaker 3 (24:27):
Is that what he's got? Jokes? Oh, Snoop Dogg's got jokes?
Is it about Is it about his offensive coordinator? Wait?
Can we can he doesn't mention the jets, it's too
low hanging?
Speaker 2 (24:37):
Can we play them?
Speaker 3 (24:37):
We're okay to play them. Well, let's find.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
Because I've seen some of Snoop's you know, best of
viral moments and and we can't play them.
Speaker 3 (24:46):
Well with the risk I'm willing to take.
Speaker 4 (24:48):
Been working hard this week, so he is ready now,
you know what with the dump button at any moment.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
You know, Tyser told me for the show how easy
his job is. Tell me how easy it is so well,
maybe he's just a wizard. He tells me it's so easy.
Speaker 3 (24:59):
No, he's Jake.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
My job is really he's part of the Fantastic four.
Uh maybe Yeah, he'll be a pretty good even been
pretty good read Richards. I can see you being really
elastic because you're tall in your things. Yeah, I can
see you pretty last. In a few minutes, when Monty's
doing what's trending, I'll come into the room and I'll
see how much I can pull your arms and see
how far. And you stay one side and we'll pull
you and see if we can really stretch.
Speaker 3 (25:20):
Only if you show me a good first step.
Speaker 4 (25:23):
My first stuff be grabbing you and pulling. Never gonna happen.
All right, Snoop, what do you got?
Speaker 1 (25:27):
So let's hear some of Snoop's jokes at NFL Honors.
Speaker 9 (25:31):
Because I've been a football fan for a long long time.
I mean, I remember back when the Cowboys was good,
I remember back when the Chiefs was bad.
Speaker 3 (25:45):
And I remember what was it? Bill Belichick's girlfriend wasn't
even born yet. I'm not on Snapchace giggling, and the
girl is not happy about it?
Speaker 1 (26:02):
Of course, of course not. You're gonna own and own it,
you know, of course, what's he gonna do?
Speaker 3 (26:10):
No, she's not really twenty four, she's really forty eight?
Is she really?
Speaker 1 (26:13):
No?
Speaker 3 (26:13):
But I'm just gonna say that to get you to
stop asking questions. Look, at this point you got to
lean into it. Yeah. Well, well, and you know, Jerry,
you got no choice.
Speaker 1 (26:20):
What do you think Stephen Jones His reaction to the
to the Snoop dog was do you think he said that, Hey, hey,
we're not in a drought, Snoop, There's no drought.
Speaker 3 (26:26):
There's no thirty year drought here. Man? He held up,
what the estimated value is off.
Speaker 7 (26:30):
The last Forbes list was the better place guys when
the Chiefs were bad.
Speaker 3 (26:36):
Oh that was a long time ago, man, that was
that was your talk. Thanks for reminding me. That was
a long long time ago.
Speaker 4 (26:41):
By the way, Belichick's red suit coat looks like he's
getting ready to offer me.
Speaker 3 (26:44):
Uh, do you want the whiter the red?
Speaker 7 (26:46):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (26:47):
Why is he not? He looks like he's ready for
his return down. Yeah?
Speaker 1 (26:50):
Why is he not wearing powder blue? Like you should
be wearing North Carolina powder blue?
Speaker 3 (26:54):
Let him get it.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
He should look like where you're going, Deck, I don't know.
He's Isaac the Bartender on all the different places he's.
Speaker 3 (27:03):
Reading to fight Nel Gibson and the Patriot. The bartender. Here,
he's a bartender. Here, he's a bartender. Here's a bartender.
Speaker 1 (27:09):
We got more coming up in ninety seconds, but first,
let's find.
Speaker 3 (27:13):
Out what's trending in the wide world of sports.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
From someone who's been called the Bill Bellichick of Fox
Sports Radio.
Speaker 3 (27:18):
That's right, one of the best coaches you'll ever see,
that's right, who's now coaching in.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
College and hates the Jets. It's Monty Belagyas all.
Speaker 2 (27:28):
Of those things seem accurate.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
You're waiting for me to say something different every single time.
Speaker 3 (27:32):
Yes, where is he?
Speaker 6 (27:34):
Where's gonna say next?
Speaker 2 (27:36):
They all seem accurate, guys.
Speaker 6 (27:39):
Kevin O'Connell has won the Coach of the Year at
the NFL Honors.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
The Pro Football Hall.
Speaker 6 (27:45):
Of Fame class, which you guys have been talking about.
Jared Allen, Sterling Sharp, Eric Allen, Antonio Gates, no Eli
Manning not a Hall of Famer in his first year
of eligibility. Bengals quarterback Joe Burrow is the comeback player
of the Year. In Eagles running back Saquon Barkley is
the offensive place of the year.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
We're waiting on the MVP.
Speaker 6 (28:02):
Tracy Wilson tweeted about now twenty five minutes ago, congratulations
to Josh Allen.
Speaker 3 (28:08):
But it hasn't been announced. But she tweeted that about
twenty five minutes ago, and people I like, yes because
getting banned. Yeah, the only one who allows, the only
one who has it. And people are like, this isn't
out yet? Deleted? She deleted it is.
Speaker 6 (28:21):
It officially deleted?
Speaker 3 (28:22):
She officially deleted.
Speaker 6 (28:23):
She got crucified.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
It was twenty five minutes.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
Okay, okay, hang on you're missing what's important right now.
Frostburg called Vegas. Put all my money on Josh.
Speaker 3 (28:31):
Allen, right, all of our money. Yeah, I got it.
Y let it all on there.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (28:39):
But you know they're all going when like the Leal goes,
no more mad, no more, no more bad.
Speaker 2 (28:44):
That's exactly what's happening.
Speaker 7 (28:46):
But if you got to be that in a hurry
to be first with something that has that has.
Speaker 3 (28:50):
Not bene yes, No, you can't do that. You can't
do that. Really she did she deleted it.
Speaker 6 (28:55):
Oh wow, okay, all right, she she she was getting
crucified on those comments. In the NBA, guys, we've got
the Nuggets who are pulling away from the Magic seventy
five to fifty eight halfway through the third quarter. Nikola
Yoka's twenty four points, six rebounds, eight assists the Lakers
on top of the Warriors at home thirty four to
twenty one. Early in the second and late in the first.
It's the Trailblazers who are beating the Kings twenty seven
(29:17):
to twenty five. The Mavericks beat the Celtics in Boston,
won twenty seven to one. Twenty Anthony Davis did not
make his debut. They're hopeful that he can play Saturday
at home against Houston. The Rockets and the Timberwolves went
back and forth, but Minnesota pulled away. They won it
one twenty seven to one fourteen. Anthony Edwards put on
another show yesterday at forty nine points, today eight to
forty seven points, and has officially surpassed one thousand threes made.
(29:41):
Also Jimmy Butler sound guys, here you go.
Speaker 5 (29:44):
I'm so happy to.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
Be playing basketball again.
Speaker 5 (29:47):
Honestly before an organization like this one with some hell
of five talent that we have. I'm glad that I
get the opportunity to get here and help get this
to winning and do something special. I think that's why
I'm here and now my our best to do what
everybody wants, and that's to win a championship.
Speaker 8 (30:03):
I mean.
Speaker 6 (30:04):
And this was just set ahead of the Warriors Lakers game.
Thank you to Brandon for pulling that sound back to
you guys, Thank.
Speaker 3 (30:11):
You very much.
Speaker 6 (30:11):
Man.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
So yeah, I would assume that somebody at CBS made
a phone call say hey, hey, what the hell are
you doing?
Speaker 3 (30:19):
To take that tweet to what the hell is going on?
Speaker 2 (30:22):
Now?
Speaker 3 (30:22):
Here's the thing is that.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
I'm pretty sure Tracy Wolfson and Josh Allen Hiley Steinfeld
like they're friends, like they know each other like off
the field, and and it's it's kind of relations I have.
But still, you know, you know, you're not supposed to
tweet that stuff out. This is this is a and
I this is not This is not a Hey. If
I don't come out with this, it's breaking news that
an Adam Schefter or Jay Glazer or someone would have.
Speaker 3 (30:48):
Hey.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
If I don't have it, somebody else is gonna get it,
right Because I remember Rose before ESPN, Like that's how
long ago it was when he would come on our
show and and he would say, you know, hey, Woad
you you you tip the picks here and stuff going
on before work goes on the broadcast, he goes, you know,
I don't. I don't work for anybody else. If I
find out some information that is that is a news.
I'm gonna tell you. If I know where a trade
(31:08):
is gonna happen before it's announced, and I get it
from the inside or part of it, this is different.
This is hey, we have a vote. Everybody, you know,
everybody keeps it quiet. This is because this is something
that everybody it's understood. You're keeping this quiet, right, You're
keeping this quiet when news breaks. Now, okay, news breaks.
We can't hold on to breaking news. We have to
kind of let it go. This is a vote, This
was something that was everybody was understood. And wow, this
(31:31):
whole situation. I can't wait to see how this thing
plays out.
Speaker 4 (31:34):
This is funny because now you're starting to get into
a conspiratorial space.
Speaker 3 (31:39):
Where it's like, did she get hacked? Was it really
Tracy Wolfson?
Speaker 4 (31:43):
All these things like oh, okay, now now we're starting
to get in into those kind of things. But yeah,
I mean, like she won of the leads for CBS,
She's done a lot of Josh Allen in Buffalo bill games.
But I have to ask this though about Sham since
he's kind of running in a post these days, does
his valuation go down go I mean, because there really
(32:05):
are he's running out a pose like this is like
winning a congressional seat in a small town or you're
running for public school boards.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
Yeah, there's nobody else in the NBA. Then the closest
thing is Shifter. He's the evil Empire. He's a one
man evil empire. Now he's the Yankees of basketball, So
I mean I don't have to pay him top dollar
anymore now because he's running out of pos. Yeah, but
as long as he keeps coming up with stuff like, hey, guys,
Luca got traded for a d Oh.
Speaker 3 (32:29):
I think that's where. But we were all gonna know eventually.
Speaker 5 (32:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (32:32):
Yeah, but somebody's got to say it, somebody just because
it got you excited, like you had another kid?
Speaker 1 (32:38):
Uh exit? How about a Fresca exits falls in trouble.
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Speaker 2 (32:58):
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Speaker 1 (32:59):
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(33:46):
all kinds of content for you from tonight. Pro Football
Hall of Fame vote. Eli Manning does not get in,
and the NFL MVP was just announced and the winner
is someone I would have had third on my ballot.
You would have had someone you picked. He was your
pick preseason to win NFL MVP. Garrett Wilson ex Jet
(34:08):
and now Good. Tracy Wolfson was correct in her early
tweet foreshadowing that Josh Allen would be named NFL MVP.
He wins his first MVP, the odds on him shifted
drastically in the last few hours.
Speaker 3 (34:24):
Maybe that's why Trace Willson.
Speaker 1 (34:25):
Now I can tweet this out, but look, this is
really a surprise for me because Lamar Jackson out everything
to him, right, I mean Lamar Jackson threw for forty
one touchdowns and Josh Allen threw for twenty eight.
Speaker 3 (34:38):
Okay, I mean that's that's a big deal.
Speaker 1 (34:40):
You want to say, Oh, but Josh Allen running the ball. Yeah,
Josh Allen ran for five hundred yards and twelve touchdowns.
Speaker 3 (34:44):
Okay, that's great.
Speaker 1 (34:45):
Lamar Jackson ran for nearly one thousand yards and four
more touchdowns. So he ran for more yards, he threw
for more yards, had a better quarterback rating, counted for
more touchdowns. I feel like this Josh Allen and oh,
by the way, Saquon Barkley had an all time great
year for a running back, two thousand yards rushing, single
handedly catapulting the Eagles through all kinds of drama that
(35:07):
they couldn't stay away from. But I feel like Josh
Allen won. Kind of like when people win Oscars because
you look at someone like the like this, You're like
Demi Moore is the favorite to win for the Substance, right,
And I watched Substance and she was okay, Like I
caught her acting so many times, but she gets nominated
for a movie that had a lot of buzz and
(35:29):
she you know, she's a big star in it, and
she's made a lot of money for Hollywood. She's had
an incredible career for the past thirty five years.
Speaker 3 (35:36):
So yeah, when she's in a movie that.
Speaker 1 (35:38):
Has buzz and and and she's and she's and she's
not bad, Okay, this is when we can give her
the Best Actress Award, Right, they do it for a
lot of people.
Speaker 3 (35:45):
Leo won.
Speaker 1 (35:46):
Leo DiCaprio won for a movie he was unconscious for
over forty five percent of it.
Speaker 4 (35:50):
Yeah, but he sold me he really might have been
passed out.
Speaker 3 (35:54):
What do I do in this scene? Just lay there
like you're passed out?
Speaker 1 (35:56):
Awesome, I can do that, And I almost feel like, well,
Lamar Jackson has already won a couple, this is our
chance to give josh Allen the MVP because I don't
know if he's going to get one again.
Speaker 3 (36:07):
I don't know it.
Speaker 1 (36:07):
But we can give him the MVP now because is
giving it to Lamar? Do we really need to give
him a third one? Or does Josh Allen need to
get one? Because boy, he's had a great career and
he's fallen short, but boy, he's been really really good.
Like I kind of feel like that's what happened.
Speaker 4 (36:22):
I think some of it also comes into expectations, Right,
the Ravens won thirteen games last year and you picked
up Derrick Henry, who for a chunk of the season you.
Speaker 3 (36:33):
Would have made the argument he's your MVP.
Speaker 4 (36:36):
Right early on in the season he was dominant, and
Ronnie Stanley and that offensive line healthy. Over on the
Barkley side of things in in division, you had great
expectations for what they could be, right if they sorted
out what happened last year, the collapse and everything else
and all the drama that you still had on paper
(36:57):
one of the top three rosters coming. And that's before
you add Barkley to the equation. You're looking at your
offensive line, you look at your defense like, this is
a team that's ready to go win and perform well.
And Barkley did just that because they'd run the ball
well with the likes of Boston Scott kend Of Gainwell
and others in the past. This is where your Jets
(37:17):
actually play a major role in this award. We shut
him down because the expectation was what was the sexy
Super Bowl pick. What was the sexy AFC East. They're
gonna run and hide. Buffalo's gonna regress. Buffalo's gonna be bad.
Look at what they've got a lot of questions. Turnover
at this turnover, at that defense that's gonna have issues offensively. Look,
(37:41):
we've celebrated James Cook on this show from a fantasy
perspective as sure as hell on the iwatcher Flex podcast.
Banged the drum for him for a couple of years now,
and he had a magnificent year wide receiving corps nothing
to write home about, right, Dalton Kinkaid pretty good in spots,
Dawson Knox pretty good in spots wide receiving role a
(38:02):
cast to.
Speaker 3 (38:02):
Characters really this year.
Speaker 4 (38:04):
Right, So from an expectations standpoint, they over delivered. And
that's where Josh Allen, if there was any let's you know,
go to the crossroads here and decide, well, they're all
kind of close. He wins because the expectations on him
were lower.
Speaker 1 (38:21):
Well, I also feel like the voters saw him with
those back to back games, which also happened to coincide
with Fantasy playoffs, where he had like twelve touchdowns each
week in two high profile games against the Rams where
they lost forty four to forty two, and when they
beat and they beat the Lions forty eight forty two. Right,
these are games where he had five touchdowns in each
game and it was an incredible run for him. He
(38:43):
ran for eighty yards in each game. He threw for
over three hundred and fifty yards in each game. Like, Okay,
I'm done, I'm done filling out my ballot now. Because
Josh Allen had these two games near the end of
the season that were really really good, like that did it?
It's like, okay, no, the whole season to those goes.
Take those two games out, and what kind of did
he really have that great dominant season When you're talking
(39:05):
about you know, a third of his touchdowns coming in
coming in in two games they finish forty total touchdowns.
Speaker 4 (39:12):
You you look at what the Bills did as a squad,
because you got to do that. It's not all just
stat driven, as much as we may like it to
be sometimes.
Speaker 1 (39:19):
Olamar Jackson won won the division. You had all that,
and I mean, but but again, Eagles won the division.
Speaker 4 (39:24):
Part of it is coming off of expectations, Right, the
Bills were not expected to play as well as they did,
so tada, you get a little more extra love for Josh.
Speaker 1 (39:33):
He was expected to still be really good, though, Sally Piels, Oh,
Josh Allen's going to be terrible.
Speaker 3 (39:37):
To be really good. What happens if you don't win games?
Speaker 4 (39:40):
You get dismissed, right, Yeah, Joe Burrow had a great
finish to the season. Guess what they didn't bother to
play football in September and it comes back to buy Yeah,
you know that first month of.
Speaker 1 (39:51):
The year when you're just kind of easing yourself back in.
Its not like the old John Gruden. I want six
preseason games. I want to be playing preseason games from
July all the way until the middle.
Speaker 4 (39:59):
Of Like they all count the same, right, because Joe
Burrow had a magnificent year, many wins, Comeback Player of
the Year, all of these things, and you know, the
most divisive of awards because everybody trying to argue why
and how and.
Speaker 3 (40:11):
Who should actually be eligible for set award.
Speaker 4 (40:14):
But Joe Burrow had a magnificent year from pillar to post,
but he's not considered because they lost too many games.
He just gets thrown away. Likewise, with Josh Allen. The
expectation was that they might not be a great team.
He'd put up his numbers, but they struggle. Again, your
Jets playing a very big role. Why because they were terrible,
(40:34):
so they helped repel.
Speaker 3 (40:35):
Him doing that.
Speaker 4 (40:35):
Look, I wouldn't have been mad if it was any
of the three guys. I mean, Lamar Jackson's year was absurd.
Forty one and four, sixty seven percent completion rate, just
an amazing I mean, it's amalgam of stats and performances.
Speaker 3 (40:48):
Look, we'll have more.
Speaker 1 (40:49):
On this coming up, because it really is sometimes about
a lifetime achievement award. Josh Allen's your NFL MVP. We
got that. And the guy who didn't get traded today
in the NBA that still own the deadline, that's next.
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