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Jason and Mike give you best case/ worst case for the Knicks after fighting off elimination to force a Game 6. The guys discuss possible NCAA Tournament expansion. Plus, a crazy stat and the Tire Rack Play of the Day!  

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buying should be. Look at you, spring in your step.
Ah Yeah, feeling pretty good. Head. So the Knicks and
the Pacers are officially now headed to the fourth quarter.
Yeah they are. It looked like we were headed to
the fourth quarter a couple of minutes ago. However, traveling
violation called on the Pacers at the end of the

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third quarter gave the Knicks a last possession with half
a second left. Karl Anthony Towns missus a jumper. So
now we're officially at the end of the third quarter.
Chalomy looks like Rob mcallaney. He's dressed like a combination
of Eddie Murphy and Arsenio Hall from Coming to America.
He's gone full in and the Knicks are twelve minutes

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away from extending this series to Game six, ninety to
seventy three. They lead the Pacers at the end of
three quarters. It has been a big night for the
two players that need to have biggest nights the most.
Jalen Brunson's got thirty, Karl Anthony Towns has nineteen and eleven.
And I'll just say this right out of the gate, right, Okay,
Still obviously with the next out, Jason, you're not that
more excited. Yeah, I've seen them blow leads like eight

(01:56):
days ago, spreads minus sixteen this city fourth quarter. You know,
I talked about this last night and I said, I
expect the Nicks to come out with this kind of
an effort because this is who they are, right. They're
not a team that's gonna roll over and die. They're
not a team that's going to show up like Minnesota
going okay, we're just ready for the off season to start. Cut. Yeah,
I'm okay, I'm Anthony Edwards. I'm not gonna worry about

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reading defenses now. It's too late in the year. So
I knew this was gonna be the effort they were
going to come in with, especially Brunson knows Karl Anthony Towns,
who I'm sure the last twenty four hours had to
hear the rumors of w wait, they might want to
trade me at the end of the season. I don't
fit that. Well, Okay, I'm gonna go. And he's had
a big game. But overall watching this, the Knicks defensively

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are much more intense than they have been at any
point in the series against the Paper. So we saw
the physical file that McBride took towards the end of
the third quarter, and it's one of those where you're
right on the edge. Right, it's like you watched playing
you know, your daughter playing soccer softball, right, a hard
slide or a tackle, a you know, defensive player getting

(02:58):
into it, my daughter and defender and side it's like,
you know that be aggressive, don't give up your ground,
and then then you have to figure out where the
line is of an official calling with McBride. No, he
wasn't gonna let Siakam have that easy deuce, right and
but it's that right on that border because he makes
no play for the ball at all. So Rick Carlisle
is screaming bloody murder and it's like, no, no, this

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is They're gonna review it. It's gonna get adjudicated properly.
But it's one of those for the Knicks, you were
waiting for them to match that intensity, waiting for them
to counter with some of the blows for Karl Anthony
Towns between us talking about you know, you know you're
trying to talk Giannis into New York into existence. Yeah,
I folks, they're all listening to the show. I mean,

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there's no question about it. Appreciated on the iHeartRadio app
and five hundred affiliates nationwide, we love you. The sheer
number of jerseys Karl Anthony Town's has been photoshopped into
Oh yeah, I mean, it's got to be all every
other team in the NBA at this What did I
send you? I did what? An hour and a half
before tip off, there were rapports said he was a
game time decision because of that knee injury sustained when

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he went down and was clutching his knee the other day.
And instead he comes out like a house of fire
and he's bouncing around and he's got a good bounce Offensively,
Bronson's had a couple of minutes of action where he's
looked like that guy. Right, he's gonna have that big
special night. So the two of them leading the charge,
but that intensity, because it's a long offseason. If you

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don't show heart going out and we'll get to Josh
Hart and his contributions are lacked there of admitting or
lack of Yeah, but it's the idea of like in Minnesota,
they'll transition, right, twins are pretty good, and they'll get
into JJ McCarthy and everything going on with the Vikings
in short order. In New York, you can have the
Mets and Yankees rolling, that's fine. You can turn the

(04:48):
page somewhat to the Giants and the Jets. But if
you go out without heart and showing intestinal fortitude and
then knock down, drag out game against these Pacers and
you go meekly into the good night, that's not good
for anybody. And I think they're smart enough to have
recognized that. Yeah, no, and look, and the main thing
I've seen again it's hard to say that, hey, you

(05:10):
need more from Jalen Brunson, because you know, I mean,
really you need more. But defensively, look, he and Karl
Anthony Towns are the worst two defenders in Knicks halt right.
We've talked about this the last few nights and how
it really hurts them when both of them are on
the floor, because you know, how good can you be defensively.
That's why at the end of the year, again, no
team has found I found more stuff is wrong with
them in a conference final than the Knicks right now.

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But that's why, hey, going on next year, can you
survive with both of them? Because you know, Brunson, as
great as he is, he's not going anywhere and he's
on the floor. Karl Anthony Towns has been what looked
to be a great fit and then it was sort
of an odd fit, and now it really hasn't been
what they expected it to be and how they thought
by this point, Hey, Carl Anthony, Ted's gonna be a
one two punch with Jalen Brunson. But defensively, the Knicks

(05:55):
really struggle, and they struggle with Indiana, and there's a
combination of TIBs not making any adjustments. But all it
is tonight. Honestly, they're much more active. They're much more aggressive.
Brunson is more aggressive defensively. You see him moving around
at the top, you know, coming off screens and staying
with wherever he's supposed to be. Like this is the

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big thing. It's almost like, boy, I wish the Knicks
would have realized this before they were down three to one.
But I celebrate that they came late to the party
instead of not showing up at all. But that's really it.
Like the Knicks offense has been the same. They've been
hitting big shots all of this. It's a twenty point
lead right now with eleven minutes to go, and the
Pacers are gonna put it away at some point. Halliburton's
out of the game right now, so this is gonna

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be if the Knicks can play hard for the next
five or six minutes and have this fifteen sixteen, eighteen
point lead. I feel pretty good about the last few
minutes of this game. But honestly, that's really all it is.
It's not like all of a sudden the Knicks like, oh,
they found something and they flip the switch. It's just, hey, defensively, guys,
you can't have an effort like you had in the
last game. You can't just have an effort where every

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single but like, what did I say if they took
five difficult shots in the last game the Pacers, that
might have been more than I thought. Every other every
basket every time the Pacers had the ball when they
would miss, it was because they would miss shots. It
was not because the Knicks altered them or because the
Knicks defensively put them in a bad spot. It was just, Hey,
an open player missed or they missed a layup. That's it.

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And you can't play games that way. And that's kind
of what happened to the Knicks against the Pacers now tonight.
It's they're making the Pacers work a little bit more.
And look what's happening now. It's you know, it's it's
it's a it's a big lead for them here early
in the fourth. Yeah, and I come back to we
we threw the flowers at the feet of Haliburton last game.
Out right, Hey, I did it for daddy. Daddy, look

(07:38):
at me all of that fun stuff. What a half
ass effort in a closeout potential? Well, no, no, I'm
going to try to try to close this out and
go down swing it. They still have time to close
it out. How many times have they been down this
and they came back? Yeah, you know, let mean they've
been down. They know, Hey, we're down sixteen, We the

(08:00):
mixt right where we want him. We're all good, we
got him right here. But look, but you know, i'd
agree with you. I'd agree with you, except as we've
seen now in the last few years in the NBA,
because there's such a you know, it was you know,
it was great talking with Rick Buker about this the
other day. Is that, you know, teams just come in
now into games that they don't absolutely have to have
and they think we're on the road, we're not going

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to get the calls. Stuff is not going to go
our way. And if that happens early, they go, see,
we knew it, and suddenly your effort is not what
it was supposed to be in the game energy. I understand,
it's a point and that's become a thing now that
that's it's not like it's oh, hey, here's a. It's
not like last night with the Timberwolves. Was the was
an outlier? Was this happens all the time? Now? How
many times we see big blots like this in the

(08:42):
NBA playoffs? Twenty thirty points is now the norm for
a lot of games when a team is quit or
they don't need a game where they feel the series
is alway. They hit that time now edwards and make
him realize that you know, what he does on the
cord for forty eight minutes really does matter, and that
you're not promised to get back there again because this
postgame comments were once again very troubled. Oh, he gets

(09:06):
into his off season, It's like, you know, I'm young,
We'll get back. No, what did I say last night?
He needs a conversation with a Hall of famer to say, dude,
you need to do more. You need if you can't
read defenses and you need to ask Dante DiVincenzo for help,
guess what you need to do. You got to get
in the film room. You have to figure out that

(09:26):
way to flip the smart shy good school. I mean,
no question about it, but I mean this is where
I don't care what sport you bring it from here's
Dan Marino, here's Mike Trout. You know, you can be
really good and never win anything. Yeah, like it's hard
like today. Yeah, the finishing the season is a very
difficult proposition. Don't assume you're gonna have a lot of

(09:47):
these runs. But but yeah, looking at the effort tonight,
you'll loose balls and and just the fast break points
and everything that had been Pacers Pacers, Pacers, Knicks showing
some heart in front of the home crowd. Uh so
making a ninety six eighty one lead for the Knicks
right now with nine minutes left to go, Brunson's getting

(10:08):
some rest on the bench, Haliburton getting rest. And it
was a twenty point lead a couple moments ago, but
the Pacers hit a couple of shots to make it
fifteen points. I mean, look, and I'll be honest with you, right,
what did I say last night? The two real and
one is one is very selfish. The two were Look,
the Knicks aren't gonna go down without giving a big
effort right to have this clearly the series not going

(10:29):
their way. They're gonna show up big at home and
mainly the other part I look at it is that Yeah,
so if they win this game and they lose Saturday,
I don't have to worry about it. We don't have
to talk about it anymore. Like it's done by the
time we get back on the air Monday night. Like
this series is where Helen gone. Man, we're previewing the
Pacers and the and the thunder, so very selfishly, I'm like, yeah,

(10:50):
do it for me. Do it for me so I
don't have to talk about it, so I don't have
to spend three hours tonight with the Knicks Wake. We
had the knixt funeral the other night. Now the Knicks
Wake would have to be tonight at least, do that
for me. Yeah, I mean, we keep expanding our reach,
you know, like the blob city after city and just
taking over across the land and more and more ears
across New York State. Tonight you were starting to get

(11:13):
back into a little uh, you know, go New York,
go guy. In the first half, it was it was
the most emotion you've shown since Game one. Well yeah,
get dude, Game one. It came out, I mean game
you were so jacked up and then and then it
was like someone came I don't know and started throwing
bottles at your car as just at the harmon. Teams

(11:36):
with a nine point lead and fifty seconds to go
in a game. Oh wait wait, fourteen hundred and forty
and no losses until game one in the history you
get to raise a banner your record center is. Yeah,
you know what I thought about? How bad that? That's?
That sounds? How much worse? Is ready for this? I
think about the other day, going okay, so this is

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when they were keeping track in the in the in
the midnight nineties, right, okay, sure, fifty you know, nine
pointly fifty one seconds left to go, fourteen hundred and
fourteen wins and no loss that's a lot of data.
Here's how bad that is. If you can go back further, right,
because what was going on in the mid nineties, Yes
we had the three point shot, but not nearly to
this extent, not nearly to where teams can make three

(12:18):
and four threes in the final fifty seconds of a
game and win. Okay, all right, so maybe not there?
What about going back no three point shot? Remember, no
three point shots? So when you're down nine with fifty
seconds left to go, that's a five possession game, right,
So I guarantee you that that was in that. I
would not guarantee you, but I would say if you

(12:39):
if I had to go to Vegas and bet all
my money, I would say, if you could find a
way to go back all the way to the beginning
of the NBA, when the peach baskets were up in
the final scores for like four to two, if you
could go all the way back to that, you would
find zero instances of a team up nine points with
fifty one seconds left to go and wind up losing
that game. Zero out of the history of the NBA,

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when James Naismith was in Canada going, hey, if I
bring this game to the United States, they might like
it and maybe we'll get a team here in you know,
eighty or ninety years. Well, and don't forget the first
decade of the NBA, there was no shot gone. I'm
telling you, man so well, you would still foul to
put guys in the free throw line, but I mean
you'd have to catch them. Yeah, cat potato baby. If
I'll tell you, look, if the ball's going, they're not

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calling the file. It's too big, man, the court is
too big. Already passed it. You've done and back then
they were smaller guys. So I mean you had more
room on the on the court. I got so Game
one is a lot to come back. I don't know
that I'll ever be back from goal over Macho grande.
I'll never be over Macho grande. I don't know that
I'll ever get over Game one. Game one was that
bad man. It was that.

Speaker 2 (13:41):
Did you write any fiction off of that?

Speaker 1 (13:43):
Did you at least get a new chapter to a
post apocalyptic book? Oh no, the entire night was post apocalyptic.
That's you. No. I saw the thousand yards stay in
New York. I saw your soul leave your body and
hover for a second, and then it waved you off
like sipowitch. If the apocalypse happen and during Game one, okay,
the news in New York would open up eleven, going,

(14:06):
the apocalypse is here. Many of us are dead. Half
of the people here are dead. But boy also maybe
dead the New York Knicks. Let's go live to Madison
Square Garden and find out the latest on that incredible
Oh wait, wait oh, our reporter has been eaten by
a zombie and our camera's been eaten by a zombie. Okay, well,
Luckily we have Gil Gerard here, who's going to give

(14:29):
us about what happened in sports? Okay are they they're
starting to break through into the newsroom. The the zombies here. Okay,
so we have about thirty more seconds left to live. Hey, hey, Jerry,
can you tell us what happened in this game tonight
before the zombies come in? Yes? What an incredible, awful
loss by the New York Necks. Here come the z
I may as well let the zombies eat me. It
doesn't even ah daw, that still doesn't hurt as much

(14:51):
as the Nicks loss. And now gonna be a zombie
Paula out Ah, that hurts even more. That hurts more
than the joke side that Alibert does. Gil Gerard was
infected by a zombie. So tweeting has did meet ebedd?
I meant to say, Jerry Gerard, Jerry Girard, former sports
cast say, now I'm thinking about Buck Rogers and that
gets us to, uh, what was the woman that was

(15:13):
on Silver Spoons that Aaron Gray? Aaron Gray see it
all ties together?

Speaker 2 (15:18):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (15:18):
She was one of my first TV crushes. I was like,
what Aaron Gray is you like? During that Silver out
I wanna wat, I wanna I want to watch Buck
Rogers every Sunday night after I take my shower and
before I go to bed early for school. Could I
watch Buck Roger. You realize that for about eight years
Gil Gerard was married to Connie Selica. I did not

(15:38):
know that about that. Wow, thinks you learned? And TJ.
Maybe they lived in a hotel at that point. TJ.
Now we get into the Brolins and Panos. So we
get back to post apocalyptic world. See it all ties together?
Under eight minutes left to go. The Knicks lead the
Pacers by twelve. Halliburton's back in the game, Brunson's back
in the game. So I direct you the Mike Harry

(16:00):
to all they not showing up for the Yeah, I
told you, plenty of time left, plenty of time left
to just rip everything out of it. Already put a
cape on while he said so, we'll keep you updated
on this game. But coming up next, not one, but
two big stories out of college basketball and college football.
If you like more teams in the playoffs, you're gonna

(16:21):
love what's coming up next. That's straight ahead, Jason and Mike.
You are listening to Fox.

Speaker 2 (16:26):
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Speaker 1 (16:37):
Sometimes it just shake my head at the shots Jalen Brunson.
H it's just what are you gonna do? Right? Big
hoop by Brunson right there, pushes the Knicks lead back
out to eighteen ye Nix lead the Pacers one oh
four eighty six, just over four minutes left to go.
And one of those shots that if he missed it,
you'd say, why is he taking that shot?

Speaker 3 (16:56):
No?

Speaker 1 (16:56):
No, I mean that's just a way I No. I've
come to the come to the conclusion. Whatever Runson does,
I will live and die with that. That's absolutely fine.
If Brunson whatever yees so defensively, no, but offensively, if
he wants to have one foot falling out of bounds
and throw it up with a hook shot righty, If
he wants to put up a shot like what what's
the shot that got uh Woody Harrelson got h Rosie

(17:18):
Perez on Jeopardy with and White Men Can't Jump when
he had to make the hook shot from the other
free throw like, if that's what Brunson lot, okay, I'm
okay with that. If that's a Brunston needs to put up,
that's a bunt needs to put up a big jumper.
And again it's it's a sixteen point lead. Now for
the Knicks, three and a half minutes left to go.
I we'll have more on this game coming up in

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a few minutes up. Maybe the Pacers have the Knicks
where they want him, but you know, we'll see. Uh So,
if you like more teams in playoffs, and who doesn't,
right this is these are not one, but two great
stories come in your way, college basketball and college football.
It's just a matter of time and by that I
mean maybe just a couple of months until we get

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an expanded college basketball tournament and an expanded college football playoff.
College basketball first, the tournament could expand to seventy two
or seventy six teams, with a decision hoped for in
the next few months. This is by NCAA President Charlie Baker.

Speaker 2 (18:16):
Charlie.

Speaker 1 (18:16):
Right now people are saying, oh, so they do have
a president. Yeah, a member Charlie. There is somebody, Member Baker,
there is somebody in charge of college basketball. I didn't
think there was none there. It's not college football. He
fit the suit. Right, So seventy two or seventy six
teams with a decision hope for in the next few months. Right.
Number one, we've talked about this for a while. Of

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course this is going to happen, right And I can
sit Aaron. You could talk about the money and more
teams getting in, and the and the overall appeal of
putting more teams in. But I will say, I will
say two things outside of that. Where it's money, it's money.
Everybody wants to fault to the money, the money, the money.
Sometimes he's the fault to the money. But sometimes there's
two things. Number One, you will get a better first

(19:00):
four because right now it feels like the first four
is sort of a piecemeal thing. Like, hey, we wanted
to expand the tournament a little bit, so we put
some more teams in. We have a couple of games
on Tuesday and Wednesday, and that gets into the first round.
But it kind of feels like it's halfway done, right,
Like like you started something on your house and like, okay,
well we ran out of money for now, so I

(19:20):
got a bathroom that's half built. When when we get
money again of everything else, Okay, we're gonna finish. Does
that have holes? Yes, it has holes? Can use it?
Can we use it? Yeah, it's a big hole in
the ground. That's called the latrine. No, it's a bathroom.
It's back it gets it done, put it, put it
on zillow. It's a it's a three and two and
a half. Now, so it's a better first four because
it is Okay, instead of this piece meal Tuesday Wednesday,

(19:42):
it is now, hey, four games on Tuesday, four games
on Wednesday, right, and that and that's great. All of
a sudden, you can own the entire week. If you
are the NCAA tournament, you own selection Sunday. You're off
on Monday, obviously, be believe me, if they could find
a way to get games in a Monday, they would.
But you're talking about now a mini NCAA tournament night

(20:03):
in prime time on Tuesday and Wednesday. Because what do
we get on Thursday and Friday? Right, it's four games
at night? Right, you get the games all day obviously,
but then at night it's four games. Well, now we're
getting four games in a primetime window. And it feels
like a full night of the NCAA tournament and it's
now you own the entire week in college bass, which
comes back to everybody's getting more money, right right? I mean, look,

(20:27):
we can push it off to logic and what's the difference.
Let them all in it, come to this house, be
one of the you know, glorious people and start singing
who lyrics as we go. But the you're looking at
a situation whereby who's complaining when teams get get in?

(20:50):
And it's the all right, did you leave anybody out
that has a viable chance? Well no, And generally the
argument is no, except for in that local market where
there'll be a little bit of outrage and a fight.
But if it means that you get to own another
couple of days, it makes a couple of teams more
viable in terms of transfer portals and places where players go.

(21:14):
In an era where we're seeing a dilution of talent
because there are opportunities, nil, scholarship productions, all of that
stuff across all sports to where guys are looking and
women are looking for their opportunities, it's only good for
the business as a whole, right, there's so much growth
to be had, There opportunities for coaches, for the players

(21:35):
to be seen, and obviously for the cash registered to
ring a few more times. True TV or whoever else
in the streaming world decides they want a piece of
that pie. Now, the other part of it is this,
and this is why everybody's going to agree to it.
What if we've seen be the big trend the last
decade plus in college basketball the mid majors, Right, Butler

(21:58):
makes the back to back national championship inside, Well, we
gotta let them mid majors in. Well, too many mid
majors are getting in, too many way, too many mid
majors are getting in. As I told you, I don't
think hardly any mid majors deserve to get in because
they don't play the year, they don't play the same
schedule that the power conferences do, so I don't think
they should get in. But okay, you're in. It's fun.
It's fun to see the mid major upsets. I love them.

(22:20):
But adding more teams means more Power conference teams will
get in, and and so everybody's gonna be on board
with that because it's not gonna be all We're gonna
we can let Monmuthin again. You know we can let
Saint Mary's in it. No, we can we let No,
you're not letting in a third team from the from
the West Coast Conference. It's gonna be We're gonna have
two more teams in the Big Ten, one more team
from the ACC, one more team from the SEC. That's

(22:42):
what this means. There's gonna be more Power Conference teams
are gonna get in, which all of college baskets better.
When these teams get in, they're more fun, they're more
fun seeing these teams on Tuesday and Wednesday. Hey, it's great.
That okay, great, but we got al Corn State is
playing against UAB. That's awesome, right, it's great, Oh, Arizona State, Hey,
you got give me power five teams, right, give me
power five teams that are getting in. I think people

(23:04):
would like to see if Syracuse is playing against Wisconsin
in a A in an early first round game in
the NCAA tourn those are games people are gonna watch.
So I mean, I don't I don't get you know,
I don't get the moving against it. But now seeing
that this is what it's gonna be, everybody's gonna go
for it and by this time next year, we're gonna say, hey,
we're looking forward to the bigger tournament. I mean this

(23:24):
is perfect that as we're talking about expanding, so pretty
much everybody gets in you immediately go to a Syracuse reference.
So I mean that's good. If you had to say
to me, okay, who are some of the power teams
conference teams that used to be big deals that have
a tough time making the tournament. Now Syracuse at the
top of that list. To the larger point, let me

(23:45):
say USC, come on, man, and I don't I don't
care what conference they're from, because we know that in reality,
there is a very small group of teams that are
really going to compete for a title. Now, if the
luck of the aw an injury, the right seating, and
the road opens up, then yeah, we get some craziness

(24:06):
and you have massive runs where a team is led
by veteran guard play and all those cliches that we
do to where you get Butler a couple of times.
It's great, it's good for and it's good for outside
the game, right, and this is where you get the
periphery eyeballs people that are watching college buckets. As soon
as there's a bracket to be filled out, or a

(24:28):
bunch of games that they can bet and go to
Vegas or whatever, or their mobile apps they're in. It
doesn't matter. It's the fringe folks that perhaps you bring
in and look all for glory of Alma Mater. It's
a lot easier to get that first. Hey we need
we hadn't heard from you this year. We'd like some
money if it starts with, hey, we made the NCAA tournament,

(24:49):
because again the fringe person saying good for us, good notoriety.
How many teams made to turn it, it doesn't matter.
You're not putting that in now. So that's great news.
So you know that's gonna happen. The other thing is,
you know we're getting expanded college football player four year
from now. As this five plus eleven model, which is
what it's been called the last couple of days where
the five conference champions and eleven at large bids is

(25:13):
starting to gain a lot of momentum and different conference
leaders like it and they're eyeing the next steps as
to how we make this happen right now this would
be for twenty twenty six and beyond. And yeah, we've
talked about that. Again, the money is there, and all
the money, yes we can have more games, and yes
the SEC and the Big Ten will be happy because
likely they will get without getting a guarantee of getting

(25:34):
more teams in. I am sure they will get more
teams in with a Laurel and Hardy. So there's gonna
be a bit of hand ringing on it. And you
know the SEC and the Big Ten are going to
push for automatic bids for them, and you know there's
some different nuances of it. But outside of the money, again,
I'll tell you another reason why this is done. Why

(25:55):
did college football expand the playoff to begin with? Because
he saw after not long amount of time, boy, college
football really became regionalized in the last ten to twelve years,
and it wasn't the big national sport that it used
to be. Because everybody's taste change and how we consume
sports changes. And when you have a whole college football

(26:18):
season where basically, oh so two teams are gonna get
a chance to play for the nut of the one
hundred and twenty six teams. Two teams, well, we're used
to that for a long time, but times change. Fans
don't want that anymore. Why am I gonna Why am
I into it to watch everything going on across the country.
Why do I care about USC and Ohio State when
I know whoever loses his game is out right? I mean,

(26:40):
it's it's getting to a point where you used to
watch all those games because it's what you did, right.
We used to go to the movies all the time
because it's what we did. Now we don't. Now we stream,
We go to movies not as often as we did
because life changes, time changes, how we consume sports changes,
and we consume college football differently now. So, yes, it's
the money, but it's also Hey, the entire nation is

(27:01):
more into it if we know that sixteen teams can
get it. I know for Syracuse now, I know I
have a shot to get in. Right last year, if
we had sixteen teams, I think Syracuse gets in the playoff,
right because the big win over Miami at the end,
other schools are saying, yes we can get in. If
you are a three loss team, you can potentially get
into the college football playoff. And that's great. Across the board,

(27:24):
all the games become more interesting. It's not that less games,
it's stupid. All games become more interesting because across the
country people are I'm keeping track of all men. I'm
so glad that so and so lost because they had
two losses. Now they have three. We have two. We
can move ahead of them, like if I'm watching Syracuse
and Pittsburgh and Syracuse winning, but I'm also keeping an
eye on Oregon and Washington because Washington's got two loss

(27:47):
and if they lose three, we'll move ahead of them.
This is how everybody thinks. Well, but that's it. The
games of November still have meaning this way, right. It's
like when they added another wildcard team in baseball. You
had people wring their hands a bit. Guess what. In
a lot of cities it became a hey, you know what,
if we claw anywhere near to five hundred, we've got
a puncher's chance of getting one of those slots, and

(28:08):
if our pitching lines up properly, we get one or
two timely hits. Guess what upset same thank of football,
right is final couple of weeks. Even if you're just
looking to play spoiler and take a team or two
out of playoff contention, you're still you have the rapt
attention of it for you on this expansion. Yeah, you

(28:28):
might have actually gotten a playoff Berth, So tell them
some half butts. In that other universe, you would have
had glory. Yeah, but Alabama would have gotten in, right,
Alabama would have gotten in. Wow. They just need to
shut up at this point. Right, But I mean you're
talking about but the amount of crying this Offseaton like
let it go. Oh no, Well, I told you last night.
I'm sick of the SEC and the Big Ten saying
we're better than everybody. I'm sick of that crop. But

(28:50):
I mean that's not good about DOV. They would have
gotten an extra team and they would have been happy.
You know, everybody would have been happy. They wouldn't have
been all this this this handwringing over what that final spot. Oh,
we can let some big teams in, because it's not
like teams are getting in like okay, we're letting too
many you know, mid major teams in the in the
college basketball tournament. These are all big powerhouses and teams
that are good it right, So I mean it's gonna

(29:13):
happen for that because that's better for the sport, the
more teams that can be in. And Baseball's realize this
the NFL realized this, the NHL real every every sport
has realized more teams is better interest, better relevancy, more eyeballs,
it's better for us across the board. And college football finally,
hesitantly has been dragged across that finish line like I'm

(29:35):
gonna pull you with every ounce of strength I have
across this expand the playoff finish line. And now we
have it. Now they just have to go and fight about,
you know, players getting paid and what's what the new
rules are and guardrails there. That's you know, small potato,
like Brad Pitt says in fight that one fight at
a time, guys, one fight at a time, one fight

(29:56):
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the postgame interviews are happening on the floor at Madison
Square Garden. Who's being interviewed? What is he saying? Let's

(30:17):
find out why from Martin Weiss, who brought his guitar
in again tonight to do updates and tell us what's trending.

Speaker 4 (30:24):
Listen once I can string together four cores and on
the singing update.

Speaker 1 (30:28):
Guy, Okay, why do you need four? There's a lot
of hits across musical landscape With three, Yeah, yeah, maybe one,
you could play anything by the Clash. All you need
are three cord That is true. That's Jalen Brunson.

Speaker 4 (30:43):
That's Jalen Brunson right now giving what I'm sure Jason
Smith might say is the best postgames interview in the world.
Thirty two points for thirty two points from Brunson on
twelve for eighteen from the floor. The final score one
eleven and ninety four. The Knicks keep their series alive.
It's Indiana three three two in the Eastern Conference Finals.
After that Game five, you had almost four of the

(31:05):
five Nick starters in double figures. Carlington Towns had twenty
four points, Mikhale Bridges o Jananobi with twelve and eleven respectively.
Tyreese Haliburton was a mostly no show today. He did
have six assists, but only eight points on two for
seven from the floor.

Speaker 1 (31:19):
The Pacers were leading.

Speaker 4 (31:20):
Scoring by Benett Natherin off the bench with twenty three.
Pascal Siakam had fifteen and the NHL well about one
minute left. Dallas has an empty net, but edmondton a
two goal lead right now in Edmonton a three to
one lead in the Western Conference Finals, so they are
about a minute away from advancing. That'll mean your Stanley
Cup Final will be between the Florida Panthers and the

(31:41):
Edmonton Oilers. And Major League Baseball bottom of the seventh
ending of the Rays having eight to three lead over
the Astros. Bottom of the fifth on FS one, you'll
see the Nationals and the Mariners. That's a scoreless right now.
Had a double header today the Braves and the Phillies.
Game one went to Philadelphia five to four. Game two
went who Atlanta nine to three. Kyle Schwarber hit a

(32:03):
home run his nineteenth in Game one, and Chris Sale
reached two thousand and five hundred strikeouts in Game two.
The Blue Jays hit four home runs on the way
to blanking the A's twelve to nothing. And Michael Parson's
absent from OTAs still hoping to receive a long term
contract extension. Prior to the start of the year, Dolphins
and Steelers in trade talk surrounding tight end John news

(32:26):
Smith Smith has expressed interest in were working his deal.
He wants to stay in Miami, but Miami obviously not
necessarily wanted to.

Speaker 1 (32:34):
Pay him that four point eight million dollars he's due.
He was not seen at OTAs on Thursday. Back to
you guys and Pat Fryer Ruth is calling his agent going,
there's no out in my contract. Right, they're not cod
like I still get all that money I signed last year. Right? Yeah. No,
they're doubling down an event that Aaron Rodgers doesn't show up,
because that's showing past you're completing against at the tight end.

(32:54):
Oh no, no, I'll i'llge you more than that. They're
gonna run the single way. That's gonna be just saying
they're gonna have the tight ends in the backfield. They're
gonna single wing offense is how they're gonna do it.

Speaker 2 (33:03):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (33:03):
They need him to show up because otherwise they're running
at Arthur Smith offense. Be sure to check the Fox
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we break down the Nicks. Staying alive does it mean

(33:24):
they're gonna win in seven? Keep it right here, Jason
and Mike Fox.

Speaker 2 (33:29):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Jason Smith
Show with Mike Harmon weekdays at ten pm Eastern, seven
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Speaker 1 (33:37):
Sports Radio The Jason Smith Show with My best friend
Mike Harmon. Well Dressed Hobo the next Stay Alive. They
force Game six with a dominant effort against the Pacers
one eleven to ninety four. Right now, we have a
very special camera set up in studio. We are following

(33:58):
Scott Foster around his house seeing if the phone rings,
and he gets that phone call to officiate Game six. Baby,
I gotta go. I'm the extender. He puts on his
uniform and he leaves jets out. He's like the human torch.
He flys out. Maybe you knew I had to leave
some day. No, but stay, I love you. I can't
put my feet down in one place for too long

(34:18):
because I'm the extender. Referee assignments are posted at approximately
nine am Eastern time each game day. I'm currently atofficial
dot NBA dot com. Very nice. So he got that
I mean, so you had today's assignments replay center was

(34:39):
John Goebel, and then you have the WNBA referee assignments
for the two games listed as well. So guess what.
I'm gonna set an alarm cloud for five point fifty
on Saturday morning. Let's go. I can't believe George Goebel
is officiating NBA game. It's amazing, Okay, I gott explained
to Joe. I got explain to gen X who George

(34:59):
Goebel is. Forget about you. I'll probably do that man.
Now we'll have more on this game coming up in
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he could have given you a big Jalen Brunson shot.
He could have given you something for Karl Anthony Towns.
But instead from Tonight's Nicks went over the Pacers play
by play of a foul that could have set the
NBA back fifty years, not.

Speaker 3 (35:41):
Counting the basketball over in this series. Oh come on, now,
I've been kissed harder than that.

Speaker 1 (35:51):
You have?

Speaker 2 (35:52):
Wow, do you want to tell her?

Speaker 1 (35:54):
You want to tell us more about that?

Speaker 3 (35:56):
I mean, these are the playoffs now, these officials know this,
This would.

Speaker 1 (36:00):
Not be I'm trusting in Zach Sarvin James Williams over
there that this will not be a flagrant.

Speaker 3 (36:07):
No way, this will set playoff basketball back if they
if they deemed this a flaguer orange. It was a
ten point game a couple of minutes ago, and now
it's ump to twenty two. They're taking a.

Speaker 1 (36:16):
Look at that play after you. There's no lined up
and no follow through.

Speaker 3 (36:20):
The impact is not Micky standards for a flag of fowl.

Speaker 1 (36:23):
There for a common foul. Stand This was at the
end of the third core that on TNT. Kissed hard
isn't yes very much? So? Oh yeah, why Reggie Miller.
I'm not going to say bye, Hugh. I gotta keep
it a mystery. Was it, Reggie? I'm not going to say,
did you lose a hairm in the process or deny
it can to confirm or deny that. Uh was it
a nice hat? That was the end of the third

(36:43):
quarter where uh, Pascal Siaka was going in for a
layup and there's a foul that you know what.

Speaker 2 (36:50):
It looked like.

Speaker 1 (36:50):
Honestly, it looked like the Caitlin Clark foul on Angel
Reese a little bit where where I'm gonna hold your
arms down and Rick Carlisle comes off the bench like
Hulk Hogan out of out of the locker room. Oh
look at this. Can't believe and I'm watching Rick car
Rick Carlisle makes it so easy to hate him. No, no,
it's so easy to But the difference in this fall
when Clark had that run in with Angel Reese, the

(37:13):
ball's down around her knees right, so the contact is there,
there's a little extra curricular shoved right off balance whatever,
and a big cell by Reese. Here's siakams he's hit
up top right. It's not hey, his arms are down
low and he's gathering the ball like he's going to
the to the hoop and the contact is up around

(37:34):
the shoulders and neck. And so do I want it
to be a flagrant. No, but we've seen lesser called
flavorants throughout this playoffs. So, uh, the commentary of you know,
I've been kissed hard in that that's not a flager,
I'm like, all right, we've watched a lot of playoff
basketball that's been a flagrant. Nine times out of ten.

(37:55):
It's at the stanchion and he's going to the rack
and the guy's up and around his shoulders and neck,
and yes he does pin their arms down, sure, but
it's from a different point in the process. And it
also it never puts it never puts him in danger. Right,
There was never anything where I looked as oh, he
could fall, because that's always a big thing and they
don't say it, but I'm pretty sure that's always the

(38:17):
tipping point for a flagrant foul. Is did this foul
put this player in danger of getting injured? And there
was no potential of getting injured on that play, right,
it was. It was a hard foul. We've seen it
before and and I'm you know, I'm glad they did this,
and it makes me think that maybe they'll officiate Game
six and let him continue to play like they did,
because hey, if they officiate the if they let the

(38:37):
teams be physical, Guess what, that's a Knicks advantage. That's
a huge Knicks advantage for games. What was funny was
listening to some of the radio call on the on
the drive up the good old four or five today
and the number of times they were arguing in the
like slap fighting over would that have been a fall, like, well,
he hit the shot, so it didn't affect the shot

(38:58):
like he found in the entire the entire series, I've
listened to them argue back and forth about about how, oh,
because the shot went in, there was no foul called,
and if there was a foul like they've been arguing.
Those guys have been arguing that the entire like that's
it's talk radio. It's like watching part of the interruption
when they just keep arguing back and forth about well,
I'll see, there's no there's no whistle there because the

(39:20):
ball went in. If there wasn't a made shot, there
would have been a whistle. Like the entire time driving
up listening to the game, like that's what they're saying.
You had that anticipation for the referee on every time
on ESPN radio it's there's a pout well, this is
where you and I are gonna do it. Oh, here
we go again with a whole Is this a hey,
that's the way to kill time though?

Speaker 2 (39:40):
All right, we're gonna do the Is that a follow
or not?

Speaker 1 (39:42):
Let's go. I'll tell you this. You think there's not
gonna be, They're not gonna find it. Sorry, Pat and
Penning on this idea. There's not gonna be a way
in the next few years for play by play people
to do a game and to do a PTI type show,
a debate type show. Of course there is, Well we
should be the first. Of course you can do it
doing it for ten years. Exit up, you're eleven of it, man,
Come on, exit swollen dumb. Maybe the Knicks had a

(40:05):
little bit of extra help to win tonight. We have
a bizarre story coming up next as well as how
do I feel going to Game six? Am? I go
New York, Go, New York Go. That's next fo
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