August 5, 2023 • 35 mins
College Football as we know it is officially GONE. Pete Fiutak from College Football swings by with all the latest on the realignment frenzy. And Anthony Davis agrees to 3-year, $186M max extension with the Lakers.
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Harmon's taking his daughters to the Taylor Swift concert tonight.
Maybe he'll be calling in late. I don't think he's going, though, Steve,
I think what this take. He's taking his daughters if
I'm if I have this right, He's taken his daughters
to Taylor Swift. He doesn't have a ticket, so he's
gonna stay outside with the other parents whose kids are
in the concert. And I think they all make bracelets
(01:11):
like friendship Bracelet's like a dead show, Like they all
make friendship braiss and they trade them. And he's going
to be hanging out with the other parents who have their.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
Kids inside, So he's going to be making one for you.
But because of course you are best friends.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
Uh, he's already made one already. I'm wearing like seven
out right now.
Speaker 4 (01:26):
That might be TMI right there.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
Yeah, well, you know he's my best friend.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
As soon as you said he's taking his daughter's plural there,
I thought, my goodness, this guy's independently wealthy, and I
had no idea. Why did you pay for pizza last night?
This guy should be paying every week. Thanks for that,
by the way, it was great.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
Oh, no problem. I think he's I think he must
have sold a baseball card.
Speaker 4 (01:46):
Ah, he probably I could see that.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
Or he sold his piece of Andre the Giants jockstrap
that he's had for a while. So you know, but
it's okay because he and I have the domain b
I twy dot com. So the Big twenty, which is
what it's gonna be soon, is gonna come to us
and say we want this, and I already heidelber Hartman.
I said, listen, it was my idea, the Big twenties,
(02:10):
my idea. You you went and got it and paid
for it. You get ninety percent. I get ten percent.
I'm the idea guy. You did it, you did the
bulk of the work. You get ninety percent. I get
ten percent. Whatever we woun up selling you the Big
twenty four, the Big ten now gonna be the Big twenty,
whatever it winds up being, I'm cool with that. Sam generous.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
The Big Ten is up to eighteen schools, and it
could get up to twenty if they take the Oregon
rival and the Washington rival. Unfortunately, the Big Ten in
our lifetimes will never be taking Oregon State and Washington State.
So it's a good try, but I think you're gonna
fall just short.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
All right. So now here's what I want to do
to start. There's been so much with college football today.
Here's what you do, Steve. I want you to run
down every conference in college football and who is in
what conference?
Speaker 3 (02:50):
Go? Uh have no idea? Is Syracuse still in the
Big East? Yeah, Syracuse, Pittsburgh and Penn State.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
We're all in the Big eggs.
Speaker 4 (02:59):
Oh so nothing change, I can fellow this, okay, good?
Speaker 1 (03:02):
Today is if every of every bit of the last
three days has been what is happening with college football? Well,
today was a day where everything came home to roost.
And we'll try to keep it straight for you because
there's a lot of things happening. Oregon and Washington are
now members of the Big Ten. The Big Ten is
excited as they are joining. Remember was just yesterday the
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Big Ten got the permission to go get Oregon Washington
and they are now newest members of the conference. They
will officially join the Big Ten in August of next year. Okay,
so they're gonna have eighteen teams. That's too less than
the PAC twelve. Meanwhile, the Big twelve has voted in
Utah and Arizona State coming along with Arizona, who we
(03:45):
knew was going a day ago. That brings that league
to sixteen.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
Because they're already getting BYU and some other teams for
this coming year.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
Exactly. So, now the Pac twelve is down to it's
the Pack four. Now it's the Pack four.
Speaker 4 (03:58):
It's pretty soon it'll be the two.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
It's or Ah, it's Oregon State, it is Washington State,
It's calum At Stanford. That is your pack. It is
the Pack four right now, although I gotta say I
would keep it at the Pack four and then it's
easier to win the conference.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
Yeah, you know, it's kind of like the NHL in
the original six. My goodness, the Maple Leafs are awesome,
and the league expands and make the Leafs not quite
so awesome.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
You play each team three times over the course of
the season in a twelve game season going on in
the work not terrific. So this is where we're at now.
The Big twelve now has sixteen teams after they bring
in Arizona, Utah, Arizona State. Remember they also brought in
Colorado last week, which started this whole thing. Now the
Big ten has gotten Oregon and Washington. They will join
on the heels of USC and UCLA. And now the
(04:45):
PAC twelve is We told you look for the last unit's.
PAC twelve is dead.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
Okay, there's a quiz at the end of the show
by the way where we're all going over here.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
Yeah, it's it's done. Look, the PAC twelve is done.
They won't ever go away because the PAC twelve is
more than just college football. It's everything, everything else.
Speaker 4 (05:01):
The Olympic sports. It's heavy. It's great.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
Yeah, but you're gonna but the PAC twelve in a
year is gonna be those four teams unless Stanford, unless
you know, they boot Northwestern out of the Big ten, going,
you know, we have room for one really smart school
and I got a better foot they got a better
football program than you do. So we're gonna go to Stanford.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
And then San Diego State gets added to kind of
balance it out academic.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
No, no, no, san Diego State's got to be in the
PAC twelve and Boise State will be in the PAC twelve,
and it's be all these teams in the Mountain West. Hey,
you guys want to take a step up. Mountain West
is gonna go No way, man, our conference is better
than yours. This is not happen.
Speaker 3 (05:33):
I would love to see San Diego State have to
pay the exit fee to get out of the Mountain
West join the PAC twelve, and then the Mountain West
just becomes the PAC twelve.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
Well, you know, maybe maybe they wind up merging and
it's the packed and it's like like when it's a
Phil Jackson court at Staples Center. You know, it would
be the Mountain West brought to you by the Pac twelve.
That's how that's how it's gonna work.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
Yeah, it's the Rose Bowl Game, presented by whoever it's
so they're never going to change the stadium name Rose
Bull Oh no, they can give a presenting sponsor and
get around it that way exactly.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
It's like Jim Beheim Court at the Carrier Dome, which
well is now the jw A Dome, so that it
would work that we get both names in there.
Speaker 4 (06:13):
Jo, I'm having a Nell Wooden Court at Polypavilion.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
But I have an idea, STEVEO, Okay, I have an
idea something a little bit different than you haven't heard
all day today, the last couple of days. This hour
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(06:38):
football changes. You say this and it doesn't, no, but
it's apps. Every day college football changes every year to
eighteen months, there is some kind of complete overhaul where
teams change conferences and money changes hands and conference television
deals get larger.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
You said it right, well, Jason Smith, you just said
it right. It's college football that's changing. This is the
driving piece to all of this. You could hear the
Big Ten say, oh, we like the academic and the
research unit. It's college football that is driving all of this.
Nobody even cares about basketball.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
Yeah, I don't think the Big Ten was saying. You know,
USC's got a great film school and a lot of
big directors come out of there, like George Lucas. We
should have them being in the Big Ten.
Speaker 4 (07:20):
Nothing that has nothing to do with anything.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
Yeah, we should. We should have that bit. That'd be
pretty cool. Yeah. Look, college football drives the bus on everything. Right,
So let's look at this from a different perspective, because
you see the big conferences are getting richer, and the
Big Ten, the SEC, and the Big Twelve will be
are locked in as three of the big conferences. And
you know, the ACC is still up in the air
(07:42):
a bit because Florida State wants out and there's a
big update with them they're gonna get to later on.
They want out, and if they lose Florida State, Miami
will probably go to so we'll Clemson. That could end
the ACC. But let's let's take it from the perspective
of all the other schools that are left out now right,
because what you're seeing is the end of the PAC
twelve and schools are scrambling for a seat at the table.
(08:05):
And every school has the same reaction. I can't believe
these other schools did this to us. Meanwhile, if they
got an invitation, they would be the first ones this year. Hey, yeah,
we're coming. We're gonna make all that money.
Speaker 3 (08:14):
It's type of invitation. Sure, because USC and UCLA are
going to the Big ten on full shares, starting a
new TV contract with the fifty sixty million dollars a year.
Oregon and Washington today are leaving to go to the
Big ten on roughly half shares, just to leave the
PAC twelve and join some stability.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
Yeah, I think you could leave for like an eighth
of a share and it's better than the PAC twelve.
I think you really could.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
But I think there's an extra Christmas club membership thrown
in or some sort of thing that you can get.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
Go, Hey, you get to get a free year at Costco.
That's what we'll give you right there.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
I think it's a year of Netflix, or maybe it's
a year of Apple, and it's a leftover from the
new PAC twelve TV deal.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
You get a year of Netflix, but you share that password,
and if we're revoking it right away between Oregon and Washington,
we need to make sure that we're making Okay, we
gotta grow, and we got to grow overseas, and you
keep sharing passwords, that's not gonna help us. So but
here's my idea, and this is this is one of
those who says no ideas. College football has become the
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haves and the have nots. Right, you're talking about one
hundred and twenty ish schools in college football, and now
they're going to be concentrated mainly in three and a
half conferences. Maybe it gets the three when it's all
said and done, we've already just seen the disappearance of
the PAC twelve. So I throw this out to you.
The schools that aren't part of the cool kids, right,
(09:42):
the ones that can't just call and say, hey, we'd
like to get in. We bring a lot to your conference.
Yes you're coming, Clemson could call the SEC right now,
they could call the Big twelve and say, hey, you
want to send Oh, yes, you're bringing a lot to
our conference? Will allow you in Miami could do it.
Florida State like Notre Dame could do it. Sure, So
these are your halves. Everybody else are the have nots.
(10:04):
So I propose this, and again who says no, you
have your college football because we're talking about being able
to compete on a level that nobody else can compete at. Right,
you're talking about at least half to a little bit more,
maybe sixty percent of the schools that are left in
college football can't compete to the level of the other
forty percent. Right, the ones is going to make up
the sixty ish spots in these conferences. So I propose this.
(10:29):
You have a for lack of a better phrase, you
have a Tier one season in playoff where the teams
in the big conferences play each other, and you have rankings,
and you have the Tier one playoffs and national championship, right,
and then you have Tier two in FBS formerly Division one,
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And that's all the schools that are the have nots.
The Syracuses, the Pittsburgh, the Rutgers, the Oregon Dates, the
Washington States, the Cols, the Stanfords, and they all play
in the same type of scheduling situation, and they play
for a national champion and they have their own playoff.
So you have the top level, which is great and
(11:13):
everybody's gonna pay attention. But you know what college football
that's populous is across the country. If Syracuse like I
would look at this as a huge positive. Going man,
I get a chance to win a national championship. I
don't care if it's the champions League version of the
national championship. I don't care if it's Tier two. I
don't have a shot to win, now, are you kidding?
We can't compete with all these other schools. So all
these other and you say smaller schools, but the schools
(11:35):
just don't have the money if they competed in their
own Tier two playoffs, and you can break it up,
why can't you. You can have FBS, you FBS two,
whatever you want, and they could have a season and
you play other schools and that's your national championship there.
And yes it's a little bit of a lesser level,
but we've already seen this with the FCS National championship
with where North Dakota State is there every year and
(11:57):
usually they win or they make it to the championship.
Sometimes it's Old Gate or whatever. But now you're Tom
but just a quick level up and that would be
a large popular choice for everybody else's who loves college
football because all these other schools that aren't getting a
chance to get in the Oregon States, the Washington States
that fill their stadiums every weekend, that are rapping about
(12:19):
college football. They have Syracuse two that fill they and
they have a great program. They just don't have the wherewithal.
They don't have the money, they don't have the income.
Hey they're still popular and you could still play for something.
And if you did that, all those schools would say, Okay.
First they would say, do I have any chance to
get in the upper tier?
Speaker 2 (12:37):
No?
Speaker 1 (12:37):
Okay, If I have no chance to get in the
upper tier, then I will go to Tier two and
we will have those playoffs. We will gladly play in
that type of situation.
Speaker 3 (12:44):
Okay, So you're saying that Tier one is starting next year,
the Big Ten with eighteen schools, the Big Twelve Conference
sixteen schools, SEC with sixteen schools and just those three big.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
And you would have the ACC as long as Clem's
in Miami, Florida State are still there because they're they're
still the royalty.
Speaker 4 (13:03):
Of four power conferences.
Speaker 3 (13:04):
You would have four power conferences and then everybody else
Mountain West, what's left of the PAC twelve Conference USA,
all of that they are playing each other in a
regular schedule.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
It would be.
Speaker 4 (13:20):
In the Mountain West.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
It doesn't matter. You don't need to do geography anymore. Right,
you're seeing this. We don't need a doo scheduling scheduling.
Speaker 3 (13:27):
You would you still have Georgia against uh, you know,
San Diego State in some non conference game.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
All of that sticks, I know you would have to
you you'd have to schedule with with all you only
be able to schedule the teams that you can schedule
in your So Michigan, no, Michigan would have to warm
up against Northwestern or somebody else one of the lower
We're gonna play Maryland first and then get in. Or
you want to play outside of conference and you want
to warm up in your first game is against Pittsburgh
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or someone like that. Okay, but seeing where we're at
now with the ACC, I don't know that the ACC
survives more than another year because if schools want out already,
where's the ACC? How are they going to get stronger?
Who are they gonna get?
Speaker 2 (14:07):
Right?
Speaker 1 (14:07):
Are they gonna get Notre Dame to join?
Speaker 5 (14:08):
No?
Speaker 1 (14:09):
Who are they going to get big powerful schools to come.
Speaker 4 (14:11):
And say, yeah, you're talking of course played a exactly yes.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
No, Notre Dame is in the ACC for basketball, So
are they going to join the How is the ACC
going to get bigger? Like? So I the ACC is
the next one that's on borrow time. So eventually you're
going to add most of the ACC teams to this
second level there and it would be those schools that
I mentioned that are going to wind up getting a
chance to go play and then you can rearrange and
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you can play in whatever division you want to conferences
however it goes. But that looks like the future because
if you're having the haves and the have nots, let's
do something for the have nots and let them play
for some kind of playoff. You still have bowl games
and everything else, because those are schools still schools you'll
wind up watching. And everybody wins in college football and
everybody can go and keep chasing the dollars, and the
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other schools can have a chance to win and have
winning ceas and and and maybe if they start winning
and have great tradition, they'll get an invite to a
big school at some point and hey, come up to
the big to the big time. Now we see what
you're doing. You know that could happen as well. I'm
open to being able to have teams move in between.
But you have that, and that takes and that helps
all the other schools now that are even more going
(15:19):
to be an obscurity with the combinations of these big,
big conference.
Speaker 4 (15:22):
I think we're on the way to that.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
There we go. I got a patent that idea right now,
patent pending.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
That might have a better shot of cashing in than
the Big twenty or whatever your website.
Speaker 4 (15:31):
They're not gonna make it the twenty.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
Two more schools. They're going to rebrand as the Big twenty.
They're gonna have to. You can't be the Big ten
with it. You can be the Big ten with eleven schools, right,
and you can make them one very creative.
Speaker 4 (15:40):
Big twelve twelve for a while.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
No, we're the Big ten with twelve teams. Okay, that
doesn't work because there's the Big twelve. No, you got
a rebrand with whatever your whatever your if you're the big,
if you're the Big A, you've got eighteen schools, you're
the Big eighteen. If you're the Big, get two more schools.
Bring it, you know, suck it up. Bringing Stanford, raise
the GPA of the conference, and then you just need
one more school to get to twenty. And you're all good.
Bring Stanford, Encal bring them both in. Why not? Why
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not bring bring it? And you could you could have
two different divisions. You can have one division that's the
Big ten, and you have one division that's the Back
ten and they all play cross conference and everything else.
You can do that.
Speaker 4 (16:13):
We like, this is animal farm. We changed and everything's
the same.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
Means it's coll And the best part about this idea
is that this is college football. Every idea is a
good one because they just do it. Whatever idea comes up,
they just do it. Thing doesn't matter. It's like, no,
that's a great idea. Why we just we don't need
to go through stuff and vote on Nah, we just
put this up and do it because the money is there.
Just think about that. Think about that the Tier two
playoff for college.
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So today college football, if you're keeping score, Colorado, Arizona,
Arizona State, Utah in the Big twelve. Oregon, Washington have
joined the Big Ten. There are four schools left in
the Pac twelve. Now the Pac four could be less
than that. Maybe in the next few minutes there could
be some other schools who knows joining us now to
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help us break it all down. No one better And
we're getting at the end of his three day run
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He's on Twitter at ptutech Pete, what's happening, buddy?
Speaker 4 (17:49):
How are you Apparently.
Speaker 6 (17:50):
Taylor Swift is happening tonight.
Speaker 5 (17:53):
That's a big deal, right, Yeah?
Speaker 1 (17:55):
Yeah, I think it was Lollapalooza and now it's Taylor Palooza.
Speaker 6 (18:00):
I just shock with DJing at Laapaluza tonight, so that
was kind of a thing. But yeah, there's a lot
of a lot of things happen in this world outside
of this crazy world of the Pac twelve. It's now
the Pack four, who I think is going to play
on the Tito's had made Vodka stage of La.
Speaker 5 (18:15):
Palus in tomorrow.
Speaker 6 (18:16):
Sounds like a band name. But yeah, it got crazy
real fast here, isn't it? All?
Speaker 1 (18:22):
Right? Pete? So when when we go forward here, First,
let's deal with the Pac twelve. Obviously it's not going
to be around anymore as we know it. It will
still be a conference. Do they do they bring schools
in from the Mountain West? Are they going to see
more schools leave? What's going to happen with the Back twelve?
Speaker 6 (18:39):
Well, here's the crazy part about this is what kind
of TV and media deal can they get. The other
part of this thing, too, is I'm gonna flip a
coin here on Stanford and CAW going to the Big
Ten because that's the fourth largest media market in the country.
Forgetting that people in the Bay Area don't really care
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about Stanford or cole football to a certain extent. But
if it's the school president's how you make this all
a little more palatable and like, oh gosh, look at
college athletics. It's so horrible. But if the Big Ten says,
wait a minute, here, we're going to get the number
one academic institution among all the FBS schools. And if
you want to go by the US News and World
Report rankings, Cal's like twentieth overall, and I think like
(19:22):
seventh among the FBS schools. All of a sudden, if
you get those two a board and along with UFC
and UCLA, and with Michigan and in northwestern end with Wisconsin,
it's gonna be something crazy like out of all the
members schools, like seventeen of the eighteen not coming Nebraska,
who's out of this mix, seventeen of the Big ten
schools would be in the top fifty of all the
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programs to play FBS football. I mean, it would just
be the highest end academic side. It would add even
more to the whole Pacific Division of the PAC twelve.
So my guess is, after a year of trying to
take a deep breath, I think they're probably next and
the Big ten's just going to win a little bit
on that. But if not, the only other solution would
be to go steal a bunch of a Mountain West schools.
(20:05):
And the crazy part about this is I keep bringing
up this example because it's so insane. Jalen Hurts is
going to make more money this year than all the
Mountain West schools combined in media deals. So like, if
they're only making four million a year, if you're the
PAC twelve and you're like, hey, look, San Diego State,
we'll give you six million to come here, Okay, take
(20:27):
it to run that it's you can get these guys
for like a subway sandwich in the side of chip.
So it's just not hard to get these Mountain westis.
So I think there is still going to be a
PAC twelve. I don't think they're going to go to
the Mountain West.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
It's just not going to be the same Pepe State the.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
Big Ten will be up to eighteen schools. They're going
to have to come out with a new schedule fairly quickly, right,
and do they go to the divisions now?
Speaker 5 (20:54):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (20:54):
Eighteen?
Speaker 4 (20:56):
Yeah, So that's good.
Speaker 3 (20:58):
News for USCUCLA trip Nebraska, trip to the West schools,
maybe no trip to Rutgers.
Speaker 6 (21:04):
Well, here's the crazy part about all this. Remember two
twenty twenty when you had the all conference seasons when
all the SEC schools played each other, all the Big
ten schools played each other, and what did you get?
You had four Big Ten schools finished with winning records,
just four out of than twelve and four team sorry,
(21:26):
and the SECO had five schools with winning records. All
these teams coming to these conferences. What's going to happen next?
The TV networks are going to be like, we don't
want to see USC playing you know, West, Screenpuff Tech.
We want to see USC play more Big Ten games.
We want to see more conference games, which means the
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middle of the pack they're going to have to struggle
to ever have winning seasons ever again. So this is
going to get kind of ugly, kind of faster them.
But this was seriously as crazy as it got because
I mean today, I was doing a hit on the
Big Ten network as it was getting a text across saying,
looks like the PAC twelve is staying together. They're going
to keep their granted rights, you know, like, oh, okay, great,
(22:09):
and then eight hours later they're announcing the Oregon and
Washington are part of the Big Ten. It was like
the craziest flip. It's like saying in the morning, Hey,
I'm going to reconcile with my wife and everything's gonna
be okay, and then by the afternoon, your wife's marrying
someone else. It was the strangest thing you can pot
that we come up with in college athletics.
Speaker 3 (22:30):
By the way, you mentioned West Creampuff Tech they're not
available for the Big Ten because they're already on the
Alabama schedule.
Speaker 4 (22:36):
Twice.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
That's not that.
Speaker 5 (22:38):
Tu to too.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
That's not right, hey, that but that's the next question here, Pete.
So now, okay, so there's the future of the PAC twelve.
There's some schools there. The SEC has been really quiet
this entire time. They've not said anything. Why have we
not heard a thing from the SEC?
Speaker 6 (22:56):
God, I have said this, and I've talked to SEC
people about and never gotten anything background. I don't know
how they didn't get Arizona and Arizona State. I don't
get why they didn't go after Oregon and Washington. Think
about what the Big ten is now. I mean, the
Big ten is coast to coast up and down and yeah, okay, fine,
so the kids are gonna have to be on an
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airplane for extra forty five minutes. Boohoo, oh gosh, Well
how hard is that going to be? But now they've
got this reach that goes they dominate pretty much the
entire part of the country outside of the southeast part
of the flyover states, and they've got the markets. Why
didn't the SEC jump in on that? So what's next?
They're going to assume that that somehow that the ACC
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schools like Clemson and Florida State are going to somehow
get out of having to pay the one hundred and
thirty five million dollars it would cost them to break
their grant of rights deal and somehow get out of
this on some sort of technicality and then be a
part of the thing. The problem with that is, okay, great,
you've just brought in two big time programs, but you
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had nothing to up your national footprint. You just kind
of you know, you already have South Carolina, you already
have University of Florida. They needed to expand because now
it's everyone talks about the Big two and then there's.
Speaker 5 (24:13):
Big Twelve right after No, it's the Big Ten. The
Big Ten is far in a way, the big baddest
conference business wise. Obviously the SEC is better in football
and all that, but.
Speaker 6 (24:23):
Where it really matters the bottom line, the Big Ten
is just going to dominate. The SEC is going to
be a distant second no matter what now, and then
you probably have you know, the Big twelve in the
ACC and whatever is left out of everybody else.
Speaker 3 (24:36):
So when you talk about a television deal, the Big
Ten already has one in place for the rest of
the decade. Isn't that a huge statement that Oregon and
Washington would go into the Big Ten and not be
a full TV partner, that is, not get the full
shares that that USC and UCLA are getting joining right.
Speaker 4 (24:54):
That the exist Big Ten.
Speaker 6 (24:56):
Here's how this got funky. Is kind of like I
just was talking about with the Mountain West deal, Well,
what other option you got, son? I mean, either they
could stay with the PAC twelve and you know, look,
you're really going to keep hitting refresh, you know, fifty
times a day, hoping you're good Apple subscribers that are
gonna like get you're going to be able to pay
for your volleyball team. No, you know, so there's either
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that or maybe you go to the Big twelve and
maybe you make thirty ish million a year or something
like this. That's okay. Or you go to the Big ten,
which is obviously the biggest, baddest conference going, and then
you'll probably find so you don't get the full seventy
million share. You might get forty million. That's more. So
you're still making up fine and you're doing okay for yourself,
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and then eventually you'll get up the speed and get
that extra money. But also it's the affiliation again, you know,
it's the markets. You have all the big media markets
in the country. You have the big giant TV contract,
you have the great academic institutions, which again only got
that much stronger with USD and UCLA, And of course
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you kind of want to be a part of all that.
If you're in Oregon, in Washington, especially if you're tucked
away in the northwest part of the country. This all
of a sudden makes you, makes everything about you bigger
when you're looking at you know, I know this. I'm
going through the process with the kids trying to look
at colleges. It's a thing to be a part of
the Hey, look, I'm going to be a part of
this big tent thing because that's going to be the
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biggest thing going. And Oregon and Washington being big ten school,
that just means that much more proceeds. They're on the
bar they made the varsity is what they did now
with this moment.
Speaker 3 (26:31):
So that's the most damning thing against the pact. Well,
that somebody would leave for a half share in another
conference compared to what you're offering to stay, well.
Speaker 6 (26:40):
Obviously it was really awful. And that's that's the thing
about this whole mess. Utah didn't want to leave. They
flat out said we don't we want We like being
in the Pac twelve where we wanted to be that
Arizona State said we don't want to leave, we want
to stay here. Arizona was really lukewarm and then gave
every reshot to George Kremakov to make something happen. And
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apparently whatever this was beyond just the Apple deal was
so not even close to the pin that they're like, nope,
we're gone, and just didn't even, you know, give it
a shot to stick it out. I don't know why
that the PAC twelve didn't do something like, hey, look,
we're going to guarantee you somehow forty million dollars each
for this year by us some time, buy us a year.
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We're going to get this thing done. Because eventually, because
everyone's under everyone in this whole process really kind of
undercut the PAC twelve. They lowball them left and right,
and eventually, especially with this writer's actors strike, these streaming companies,
everyone are gonna desperately need content at leads for twenty
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twenty four a year after so it was about to
flip here, but too late, all these athletic departments are like,
you know what, we're gonna take the We're gonna take
the sure thing you bet here, and all of a sudden,
give credit to the Big twelve. It took the PAC
twelve whipping for this to happen. I never ever thought
I thought they were all blustered. I thought they were
never going to get pack twelve schools, and all of
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a sudden, you get Arizona, Arizona State. I mean, that's
the Phoenix market. That's going too massive. University of school
of insert state schools, and you get Colorado and you
get Utah. That's that's a pretty good That's a heck
of a day.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
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Speaker 6 (28:43):
Toyson never comes to Lallapalooza. We are absolutely broadcasting from there.
Speaker 1 (28:48):
You got it. And really, how far can we be
from poison playing at Lallapalooza. Probably not very much.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Jason Smith
Show with Mike Harmon weekdays at ten pm Eastern, seven
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Speaker 1 (29:06):
Starting early tonight. Okay, okay, it's Friday. Yeah, it is Friday.
That is true.
Speaker 4 (29:12):
It's weird Friday.
Speaker 1 (29:14):
Fox Sports Radio The Jason Smith Show is Steve de
Sager and from Mike Harmon Tonight, Harmon sending us pictures
from the Taylor Swift concert. Oh, she goes on in
two hours. Look at the pictures. Look at the pictures too. Yeah,
well this is about a half hour ago. I don't
think she goes on until like nine o'clock.
Speaker 4 (29:29):
Really, yeah, it's like.
Speaker 1 (29:30):
The Taylor Swift show is like, there's like eleven acts
before and I think is on, they're the they're the
big warm up act. So I think after Haym then
there's a break, and then it's Taylor Swift and she
does like a three and a half hour show.
Speaker 3 (29:43):
I thought this was a bunch of thirteen year old
girls and they have weeknight concerts and she's there for
a week.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
No, you think it's a lot. It's a big deal, man.
This is not like, hey, here's a concert for kids
who are gonna love it. It's gonna be seventy five minutes.
Speaker 5 (29:56):
No.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
No, she does like a three and a half hour
show and it's a it's it's a big event. Like
they're like, it's right. It's almost like a woodstock where
here's people leaving during the day, they're gonna go to
the bathroom, get a sandwich. Whatever it is. No, I
don't think she hits the stage until sometime after nine o'clock.
Speaker 4 (30:11):
This is like a Las Vegas show then, yeah, yeah,
well except Vegas.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
Vegas is much more. Hey, we're gonna give you this
is a ninety minute show, and we're gonna do this
and this and this and this, and it's much more done.
Go to the casino, spend you get. The more time
they spend here, the less time they spend there. So
we want your contract to be about eight minutes long.
Just make it seem long as too, because do one
really long song and they'll feel like it's good.
Speaker 3 (30:36):
They had even Phantom at the Opera playing in Las
Vegas for a while, and they took a two and
a half hour show and.
Speaker 4 (30:42):
Crammed it into an hour and a half and got
people the heck out of there. Hey, guys, quick corrections
from the first segment. Harmon's daughters actually bought him the ticket.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
Harmon, is it no? Come on, he was dying to go.
Speaker 4 (30:54):
His daughters don't even care for Jaris Smith.
Speaker 1 (30:56):
He doesn't even have daughters. He's there by himself. He's
completely made it up for the stuff, saying I have
no cap I've.
Speaker 4 (31:02):
Just made up his daughters this whole time, just to
get to the show.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
I get to see him running, because like you're supposed
to come to the Taylor Swift concert dressed like in
the theme of one of her albums. I think that
that's how it's supposed to be. I could just see
him like having like three or four costume changes from
album to album. They're not wearing this, and now I'm
wearing this, and now I could I could see it.
Speaker 4 (31:22):
I could say, well, he's being a good dad tonight.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
I will see Yes, well if he does in fact
have kids, and if he does his fact, you know,
for the concert.
Speaker 7 (31:29):
So Jay, you want to pull off like the warm
ups in the NBA, but instead of isn't a dress
pants and a collar shirt just yanks it off from there?
Speaker 1 (31:39):
It is just shake it off like written big on
a T on a spangly T shirt that's got all
kinds of stuff on. So today the Lakers and Anthony
Davis agreed to the NBA's richest annual contract extension. AD
is getting a three year, one and eighty six million
dollars The maxim contract extension. This ties him to the
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Lakers through twenty twenty eight for a total of two
hundred and seventy million dollars. Of course, Clutch Sports negotiating
this deal with the Lakers. That is the richest annual
contract extension in the NBA history, averaging sixty two million
dollars a game. I'm sorry, sixty two million dollars a season.
By the time it's all set time the number of
games he'll play and he'll make sixty two million dollars
(32:23):
a game.
Speaker 3 (32:23):
So he's already thirty and signed for a few years.
Tack on this, it's five more years starting at the
age of thirty with the Laker.
Speaker 4 (32:31):
They're so back.
Speaker 1 (32:32):
Yeah, here's the thing. Here's the thing with this thing.
Speaker 4 (32:35):
Would you say he has a bad back already?
Speaker 1 (32:37):
This here's the thing. This is now the new Jacob
deGrom contract. Anthony Davis is like Jacob de Grom, as
great as he is, how much can you really count
on him for the next two years? I'm sure will
be okay enough. He'll play in enough games at thirty
thirty one, thirty two, next two three years will be
all right. You know, he's only going to play in
sixty ish games a year, maybe plays a little bit
(32:58):
less than that, but enough to go through the year,
through the playoff. But you get after that, good luck
those last two three years, he's gonna be tied to
the team. How many games he is really gonna play?
I mean, and the possibility exists he get hurt big time,
because that's all he does is get hurt. So this
is like, this is why he's Jacob de grum. As
talented as he is, as good as he is when
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he's out there, he's just not out there enough. And
you've seen enough of his career to know that you're
only a little bit away from the next injury. Now,
I want, like I said, I want to think the
next couple of years are gonna be good. After that,
who knows what it's gonna be. Who knows how many
games is gonna play, who knows how wide swaths of
the season he might wind up missing. It's gonna be
an okay deal for now that it's gonna be a
really bad deal in a couple of years.
Speaker 4 (33:39):
Let's see.
Speaker 3 (33:39):
Anthony Davis has played more than seventy five games in
an NBA season, never literally never. He started in the
league as a teenager. Is now thirty years old, and
he's never played more than seventy five games and often
no more than about as you say, sixty or so,
and so he's gonna be getting massive money per year
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when he's approaching thirty five and they don't have Lebron
James on the roster.
Speaker 1 (34:07):
Wow. Yeah, look, it's it's going to be. It's gonna
be tough. But what are you gonna do? Like this
is this is the deal you're gonna give him. You're
gonna hope right now, that's what you've done. You hope
the first You hope to gain as much as you
can in the first two three years, and maybe financials
change and things happen, and maybe it's just one year.
You gotta worry about a d it's expiring contract. But man,
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I'll tell you it's gonna be just like de Grom.
It'll be okay for a little bit until it's not.
And the number of games he's gonna play, you hope
it's enough to get a championship at some point that
that's really.
Speaker 4 (34:37):
Ad will be pitching a no hitter next year exactly.
Speaker 1 (34:41):
He can still throw, sure, I'm sure he can I'm sure.
I'm sure again, at least i'm sure we'll see a
d before we see de Grom play again. So there's
that Twitter. How about a fresco Jason Smith, Steve de
seger in from Mike Harmon. Coming up next, we get
back into the biggest story of the day in football
and a comeback for the Ages. It's next right here.
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Harmon's taking his daughters to the Taylor Swift concert tonight.
Maybe he'll be calling in late. I don't think he's going, though, Steve,
I think what this take. He's taking his daughters if
I'm if I have this right, He's taken his daughters
to Taylor Swift. He doesn't have a ticket, so he's
gonna stay outside with the other parents whose kids are
in the concert. And I think they all make bracelets
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like friendship Bracelet's like a dead show, Like they all
make friendship braiss and they trade them. And he's going
to be hanging out with the other parents who have their.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
Kids inside, So he's going to be making one for you.
But because of course you are best friends.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
Uh, he's already made one already. I'm wearing like seven
out right now.
Speaker 4 (01:26):
That might be TMI right there.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
Yeah, well, you know he's my best friend.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
As soon as you said he's taking his daughter's plural there,
I thought, my goodness, this guy's independently wealthy, and I
had no idea. Why did you pay for pizza last night?
This guy should be paying every week. Thanks for that,
by the way, it was great.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
Oh, no problem. I think he's I think he must
have sold a baseball card.
Speaker 4 (01:46):
Ah, he probably I could see that.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
Or he sold his piece of Andre the Giants jockstrap
that he's had for a while. So you know, but
it's okay because he and I have the domain b
I twy dot com. So the Big twenty, which is
what it's gonna be soon, is gonna come to us
and say we want this, and I already heidelber Hartman.
I said, listen, it was my idea, the Big twenties,
(02:10):
my idea. You you went and got it and paid
for it. You get ninety percent. I get ten percent.
I'm the idea guy. You did it, you did the
bulk of the work. You get ninety percent. I get
ten percent. Whatever we woun up selling you the Big
twenty four, the Big ten now gonna be the Big twenty,
whatever it winds up being, I'm cool with that. Sam generous.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
The Big Ten is up to eighteen schools, and it
could get up to twenty if they take the Oregon
rival and the Washington rival. Unfortunately, the Big Ten in
our lifetimes will never be taking Oregon State and Washington State.
So it's a good try, but I think you're gonna
fall just short.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
All right. So now here's what I want to do
to start. There's been so much with college football today.
Here's what you do, Steve. I want you to run
down every conference in college football and who is in
what conference?
Speaker 3 (02:50):
Go? Uh have no idea? Is Syracuse still in the
Big East? Yeah, Syracuse, Pittsburgh and Penn State.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
We're all in the Big eggs.
Speaker 4 (02:59):
Oh so nothing change, I can fellow this, okay, good?
Speaker 1 (03:02):
Today is if every of every bit of the last
three days has been what is happening with college football? Well,
today was a day where everything came home to roost.
And we'll try to keep it straight for you because
there's a lot of things happening. Oregon and Washington are
now members of the Big Ten. The Big Ten is
excited as they are joining. Remember was just yesterday the
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Big Ten got the permission to go get Oregon Washington
and they are now newest members of the conference. They
will officially join the Big Ten in August of next year. Okay,
so they're gonna have eighteen teams. That's too less than
the PAC twelve. Meanwhile, the Big twelve has voted in
Utah and Arizona State coming along with Arizona, who we
(03:45):
knew was going a day ago. That brings that league
to sixteen.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
Because they're already getting BYU and some other teams for
this coming year.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
Exactly. So, now the Pac twelve is down to it's
the Pack four. Now it's the Pack four.
Speaker 4 (03:58):
It's pretty soon it'll be the two.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
It's or Ah, it's Oregon State, it is Washington State,
It's calum At Stanford. That is your pack. It is
the Pack four right now, although I gotta say I
would keep it at the Pack four and then it's
easier to win the conference.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
Yeah, you know, it's kind of like the NHL in
the original six. My goodness, the Maple Leafs are awesome,
and the league expands and make the Leafs not quite
so awesome.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
You play each team three times over the course of
the season in a twelve game season going on in
the work not terrific. So this is where we're at now.
The Big twelve now has sixteen teams after they bring
in Arizona, Utah, Arizona State. Remember they also brought in
Colorado last week, which started this whole thing. Now the
Big ten has gotten Oregon and Washington. They will join
on the heels of USC and UCLA. And now the
(04:45):
PAC twelve is We told you look for the last unit's.
PAC twelve is dead.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
Okay, there's a quiz at the end of the show
by the way where we're all going over here.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
Yeah, it's it's done. Look, the PAC twelve is done.
They won't ever go away because the PAC twelve is
more than just college football. It's everything, everything else.
Speaker 4 (05:01):
The Olympic sports. It's heavy. It's great.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
Yeah, but you're gonna but the PAC twelve in a
year is gonna be those four teams unless Stanford, unless
you know, they boot Northwestern out of the Big ten, going,
you know, we have room for one really smart school
and I got a better foot they got a better
football program than you do. So we're gonna go to Stanford.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
And then San Diego State gets added to kind of
balance it out academic.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
No, no, no, san Diego State's got to be in the
PAC twelve and Boise State will be in the PAC twelve,
and it's be all these teams in the Mountain West. Hey,
you guys want to take a step up. Mountain West
is gonna go No way, man, our conference is better
than yours. This is not happen.
Speaker 3 (05:33):
I would love to see San Diego State have to
pay the exit fee to get out of the Mountain
West join the PAC twelve, and then the Mountain West
just becomes the PAC twelve.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
Well, you know, maybe maybe they wind up merging and
it's the packed and it's like like when it's a
Phil Jackson court at Staples Center. You know, it would
be the Mountain West brought to you by the Pac twelve.
That's how that's how it's gonna work.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
Yeah, it's the Rose Bowl Game, presented by whoever it's
so they're never going to change the stadium name Rose
Bull Oh no, they can give a presenting sponsor and
get around it that way exactly.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
It's like Jim Beheim Court at the Carrier Dome, which
well is now the jw A Dome, so that it
would work that we get both names in there.
Speaker 4 (06:13):
Jo, I'm having a Nell Wooden Court at Polypavilion.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
But I have an idea, STEVEO, Okay, I have an
idea something a little bit different than you haven't heard
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(06:38):
football changes. You say this and it doesn't, no, but
it's apps. Every day college football changes every year to
eighteen months, there is some kind of complete overhaul where
teams change conferences and money changes hands and conference television
deals get larger.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
You said it right, well, Jason Smith, you just said
it right. It's college football that's changing. This is the
driving piece to all of this. You could hear the
Big Ten say, oh, we like the academic and the
research unit. It's college football that is driving all of this.
Nobody even cares about basketball.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
Yeah, I don't think the Big Ten was saying. You know,
USC's got a great film school and a lot of
big directors come out of there, like George Lucas. We
should have them being in the Big Ten.
Speaker 4 (07:20):
Nothing that has nothing to do with anything.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
Yeah, we should. We should have that bit. That'd be
pretty cool. Yeah. Look, college football drives the bus on everything. Right,
So let's look at this from a different perspective, because
you see the big conferences are getting richer, and the
Big Ten, the SEC, and the Big Twelve will be
are locked in as three of the big conferences. And
you know, the ACC is still up in the air
(07:42):
a bit because Florida State wants out and there's a
big update with them they're gonna get to later on.
They want out, and if they lose Florida State, Miami
will probably go to so we'll Clemson. That could end
the ACC. But let's let's take it from the perspective
of all the other schools that are left out now right,
because what you're seeing is the end of the PAC
twelve and schools are scrambling for a seat at the table.
(08:05):
And every school has the same reaction. I can't believe
these other schools did this to us. Meanwhile, if they
got an invitation, they would be the first ones this year. Hey, yeah,
we're coming. We're gonna make all that money.
Speaker 3 (08:14):
It's type of invitation. Sure, because USC and UCLA are
going to the Big ten on full shares, starting a
new TV contract with the fifty sixty million dollars a year.
Oregon and Washington today are leaving to go to the
Big ten on roughly half shares, just to leave the
PAC twelve and join some stability.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
Yeah, I think you could leave for like an eighth
of a share and it's better than the PAC twelve.
I think you really could.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
But I think there's an extra Christmas club membership thrown
in or some sort of thing that you can get.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
Go, Hey, you get to get a free year at Costco.
That's what we'll give you right there.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
I think it's a year of Netflix, or maybe it's
a year of Apple, and it's a leftover from the
new PAC twelve TV deal.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
You get a year of Netflix, but you share that password,
and if we're revoking it right away between Oregon and Washington,
we need to make sure that we're making Okay, we
gotta grow, and we got to grow overseas, and you
keep sharing passwords, that's not gonna help us. So but
here's my idea, and this is this is one of
those who says no ideas. College football has become the
(09:18):
haves and the have nots. Right, you're talking about one
hundred and twenty ish schools in college football, and now
they're going to be concentrated mainly in three and a
half conferences. Maybe it gets the three when it's all
said and done, we've already just seen the disappearance of
the PAC twelve. So I throw this out to you.
The schools that aren't part of the cool kids, right,
(09:42):
the ones that can't just call and say, hey, we'd
like to get in. We bring a lot to your conference.
Yes you're coming, Clemson could call the SEC right now,
they could call the Big twelve and say, hey, you
want to send Oh, yes, you're bringing a lot to
our conference? Will allow you in Miami could do it.
Florida State like Notre Dame could do it. Sure, So
these are your halves. Everybody else are the have nots.
(10:04):
So I propose this, and again who says no, you
have your college football because we're talking about being able
to compete on a level that nobody else can compete at. Right,
you're talking about at least half to a little bit more,
maybe sixty percent of the schools that are left in
college football can't compete to the level of the other
forty percent. Right, the ones is going to make up
the sixty ish spots in these conferences. So I propose this.
(10:29):
You have a for lack of a better phrase, you
have a Tier one season in playoff where the teams
in the big conferences play each other, and you have rankings,
and you have the Tier one playoffs and national championship, right,
and then you have Tier two in FBS formerly Division one,
(10:52):
And that's all the schools that are the have nots.
The Syracuses, the Pittsburgh, the Rutgers, the Oregon Dates, the
Washington States, the Cols, the Stanfords, and they all play
in the same type of scheduling situation, and they play
for a national champion and they have their own playoff.
So you have the top level, which is great and
(11:13):
everybody's gonna pay attention. But you know what college football
that's populous is across the country. If Syracuse like I
would look at this as a huge positive. Going man,
I get a chance to win a national championship. I
don't care if it's the champions League version of the
national championship. I don't care if it's Tier two. I
don't have a shot to win, now, are you kidding?
We can't compete with all these other schools. So all
these other and you say smaller schools, but the schools
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just don't have the money if they competed in their
own Tier two playoffs, and you can break it up,
why can't you. You can have FBS, you FBS two,
whatever you want, and they could have a season and
you play other schools and that's your national championship there.
And yes it's a little bit of a lesser level,
but we've already seen this with the FCS National championship
with where North Dakota State is there every year and
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usually they win or they make it to the championship.
Sometimes it's Old Gate or whatever. But now you're Tom
but just a quick level up and that would be
a large popular choice for everybody else's who loves college
football because all these other schools that aren't getting a
chance to get in the Oregon States, the Washington States
that fill their stadiums every weekend, that are rapping about
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college football. They have Syracuse two that fill they and
they have a great program. They just don't have the wherewithal.
They don't have the money, they don't have the income.
Hey they're still popular and you could still play for something.
And if you did that, all those schools would say, Okay.
First they would say, do I have any chance to
get in the upper tier?
Speaker 2 (12:37):
No?
Speaker 1 (12:37):
Okay, If I have no chance to get in the
upper tier, then I will go to Tier two and
we will have those playoffs. We will gladly play in
that type of situation.
Speaker 3 (12:44):
Okay, So you're saying that Tier one is starting next year,
the Big Ten with eighteen schools, the Big Twelve Conference
sixteen schools, SEC with sixteen schools and just those three big.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
And you would have the ACC as long as Clem's
in Miami, Florida State are still there because they're they're
still the royalty.
Speaker 4 (13:03):
Of four power conferences.
Speaker 3 (13:04):
You would have four power conferences and then everybody else
Mountain West, what's left of the PAC twelve Conference USA,
all of that they are playing each other in a
regular schedule.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
It would be.
Speaker 4 (13:20):
In the Mountain West.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
It doesn't matter. You don't need to do geography anymore. Right,
you're seeing this. We don't need a doo scheduling scheduling.
Speaker 3 (13:27):
You would you still have Georgia against uh, you know,
San Diego State in some non conference game.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
All of that sticks, I know you would have to
you you'd have to schedule with with all you only
be able to schedule the teams that you can schedule
in your So Michigan, no, Michigan would have to warm
up against Northwestern or somebody else one of the lower
We're gonna play Maryland first and then get in. Or
you want to play outside of conference and you want
to warm up in your first game is against Pittsburgh
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or someone like that. Okay, but seeing where we're at
now with the ACC, I don't know that the ACC
survives more than another year because if schools want out already,
where's the ACC? How are they going to get stronger?
Who are they gonna get?
Speaker 2 (14:07):
Right?
Speaker 1 (14:07):
Are they gonna get Notre Dame to join?
Speaker 5 (14:08):
No?
Speaker 1 (14:09):
Who are they going to get big powerful schools to come.
Speaker 4 (14:11):
And say, yeah, you're talking of course played a exactly yes.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
No, Notre Dame is in the ACC for basketball, So
are they going to join the How is the ACC
going to get bigger? Like? So I the ACC is
the next one that's on borrow time. So eventually you're
going to add most of the ACC teams to this
second level there and it would be those schools that
I mentioned that are going to wind up getting a
chance to go play and then you can rearrange and
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you can play in whatever division you want to conferences
however it goes. But that looks like the future because
if you're having the haves and the have nots, let's
do something for the have nots and let them play
for some kind of playoff. You still have bowl games
and everything else, because those are schools still schools you'll
wind up watching. And everybody wins in college football and
everybody can go and keep chasing the dollars, and the
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other schools can have a chance to win and have
winning ceas and and and maybe if they start winning
and have great tradition, they'll get an invite to a
big school at some point and hey, come up to
the big to the big time. Now we see what
you're doing. You know that could happen as well. I'm
open to being able to have teams move in between.
But you have that, and that takes and that helps
all the other schools now that are even more going
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to be an obscurity with the combinations of these big,
big conference.
Speaker 4 (15:22):
I think we're on the way to that.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
There we go. I got a patent that idea right now,
patent pending.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
That might have a better shot of cashing in than
the Big twenty or whatever your website.
Speaker 4 (15:31):
They're not gonna make it the twenty.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
Two more schools. They're going to rebrand as the Big twenty.
They're gonna have to. You can't be the Big ten
with it. You can be the Big ten with eleven schools, right,
and you can make them one very creative.
Speaker 4 (15:40):
Big twelve twelve for a while.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
No, we're the Big ten with twelve teams. Okay, that
doesn't work because there's the Big twelve. No, you got
a rebrand with whatever your whatever your if you're the big,
if you're the Big A, you've got eighteen schools, you're
the Big eighteen. If you're the Big, get two more schools.
Bring it, you know, suck it up. Bringing Stanford, raise
the GPA of the conference, and then you just need
one more school to get to twenty. And you're all good.
Bring Stanford, Encal bring them both in. Why not? Why
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not bring bring it? And you could you could have
two different divisions. You can have one division that's the
Big ten, and you have one division that's the Back
ten and they all play cross conference and everything else.
You can do that.
Speaker 4 (16:13):
We like, this is animal farm. We changed and everything's
the same.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
Means it's coll And the best part about this idea
is that this is college football. Every idea is a
good one because they just do it. Whatever idea comes up,
they just do it. Thing doesn't matter. It's like, no,
that's a great idea. Why we just we don't need
to go through stuff and vote on Nah, we just
put this up and do it because the money is there.
Just think about that. Think about that the Tier two
playoff for college.
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So today college football, if you're keeping score, Colorado, Arizona,
Arizona State, Utah in the Big twelve. Oregon, Washington have
joined the Big Ten. There are four schools left in
the Pac twelve. Now the Pac four could be less
than that. Maybe in the next few minutes there could
be some other schools who knows joining us now to
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help us break it all down. No one better And
we're getting at the end of his three day run
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He's on Twitter at ptutech Pete, what's happening, buddy?
Speaker 4 (17:49):
How are you Apparently.
Speaker 6 (17:50):
Taylor Swift is happening tonight.
Speaker 5 (17:53):
That's a big deal, right, Yeah?
Speaker 1 (17:55):
Yeah, I think it was Lollapalooza and now it's Taylor Palooza.
Speaker 6 (18:00):
I just shock with DJing at Laapaluza tonight, so that
was kind of a thing. But yeah, there's a lot
of a lot of things happen in this world outside
of this crazy world of the Pac twelve. It's now
the Pack four, who I think is going to play
on the Tito's had made Vodka stage of La.
Speaker 5 (18:15):
Palus in tomorrow.
Speaker 6 (18:16):
Sounds like a band name. But yeah, it got crazy
real fast here, isn't it? All?
Speaker 1 (18:22):
Right? Pete? So when when we go forward here, First,
let's deal with the Pac twelve. Obviously it's not going
to be around anymore as we know it. It will
still be a conference. Do they do they bring schools
in from the Mountain West? Are they going to see
more schools leave? What's going to happen with the Back twelve?
Speaker 6 (18:39):
Well, here's the crazy part about this is what kind
of TV and media deal can they get. The other
part of this thing, too, is I'm gonna flip a
coin here on Stanford and CAW going to the Big
Ten because that's the fourth largest media market in the country.
Forgetting that people in the Bay Area don't really care
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about Stanford or cole football to a certain extent. But
if it's the school president's how you make this all
a little more palatable and like, oh gosh, look at
college athletics. It's so horrible. But if the Big Ten says,
wait a minute, here, we're going to get the number
one academic institution among all the FBS schools. And if
you want to go by the US News and World
Report rankings, Cal's like twentieth overall, and I think like
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seventh among the FBS schools. All of a sudden, if
you get those two a board and along with UFC
and UCLA, and with Michigan and in northwestern end with Wisconsin,
it's gonna be something crazy like out of all the
members schools, like seventeen of the eighteen not coming Nebraska,
who's out of this mix, seventeen of the Big ten
schools would be in the top fifty of all the
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programs to play FBS football. I mean, it would just
be the highest end academic side. It would add even
more to the whole Pacific Division of the PAC twelve.
So my guess is, after a year of trying to
take a deep breath, I think they're probably next and
the Big ten's just going to win a little bit
on that. But if not, the only other solution would
be to go steal a bunch of a Mountain West schools.
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And the crazy part about this is I keep bringing
up this example because it's so insane. Jalen Hurts is
going to make more money this year than all the
Mountain West schools combined in media deals. So like, if
they're only making four million a year, if you're the
PAC twelve and you're like, hey, look, San Diego State,
we'll give you six million to come here, Okay, take
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it to run that it's you can get these guys
for like a subway sandwich in the side of chip.
So it's just not hard to get these Mountain westis.
So I think there is still going to be a
PAC twelve. I don't think they're going to go to
the Mountain West.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
It's just not going to be the same Pepe State the.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
Big Ten will be up to eighteen schools. They're going
to have to come out with a new schedule fairly quickly, right,
and do they go to the divisions now?
Speaker 5 (20:54):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (20:54):
Eighteen?
Speaker 4 (20:56):
Yeah, So that's good.
Speaker 3 (20:58):
News for USCUCLA trip Nebraska, trip to the West schools,
maybe no trip to Rutgers.
Speaker 6 (21:04):
Well, here's the crazy part about all this. Remember two
twenty twenty when you had the all conference seasons when
all the SEC schools played each other, all the Big
ten schools played each other, and what did you get?
You had four Big Ten schools finished with winning records,
just four out of than twelve and four team sorry,
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and the SECO had five schools with winning records. All
these teams coming to these conferences. What's going to happen next?
The TV networks are going to be like, we don't
want to see USC playing you know, West, Screenpuff Tech.
We want to see USC play more Big Ten games.
We want to see more conference games, which means the
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middle of the pack they're going to have to struggle
to ever have winning seasons ever again. So this is
going to get kind of ugly, kind of faster them.
But this was seriously as crazy as it got because
I mean today, I was doing a hit on the
Big Ten network as it was getting a text across saying,
looks like the PAC twelve is staying together. They're going
to keep their granted rights, you know, like, oh, okay, great,
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and then eight hours later they're announcing the Oregon and
Washington are part of the Big Ten. It was like
the craziest flip. It's like saying in the morning, Hey,
I'm going to reconcile with my wife and everything's gonna
be okay, and then by the afternoon, your wife's marrying
someone else. It was the strangest thing you can pot
that we come up with in college athletics.
Speaker 3 (22:30):
By the way, you mentioned West Creampuff Tech they're not
available for the Big Ten because they're already on the
Alabama schedule.
Speaker 4 (22:36):
Twice.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
That's not that.
Speaker 5 (22:38):
Tu to too.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
That's not right, hey, that but that's the next question here, Pete.
So now, okay, so there's the future of the PAC twelve.
There's some schools there. The SEC has been really quiet
this entire time. They've not said anything. Why have we
not heard a thing from the SEC?
Speaker 6 (22:56):
God, I have said this, and I've talked to SEC
people about and never gotten anything background. I don't know
how they didn't get Arizona and Arizona State. I don't
get why they didn't go after Oregon and Washington. Think
about what the Big ten is now. I mean, the
Big ten is coast to coast up and down and yeah, okay, fine,
so the kids are gonna have to be on an
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airplane for extra forty five minutes. Boohoo, oh gosh, Well
how hard is that going to be? But now they've
got this reach that goes they dominate pretty much the
entire part of the country outside of the southeast part
of the flyover states, and they've got the markets. Why
didn't the SEC jump in on that? So what's next?
They're going to assume that that somehow that the ACC
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schools like Clemson and Florida State are going to somehow
get out of having to pay the one hundred and
thirty five million dollars it would cost them to break
their grant of rights deal and somehow get out of
this on some sort of technicality and then be a
part of the thing. The problem with that is, okay, great,
you've just brought in two big time programs, but you
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had nothing to up your national footprint. You just kind
of you know, you already have South Carolina, you already
have University of Florida. They needed to expand because now
it's everyone talks about the Big two and then there's.
Speaker 5 (24:13):
Big Twelve right after No, it's the Big Ten. The
Big Ten is far in a way, the big baddest
conference business wise. Obviously the SEC is better in football
and all that, but.
Speaker 6 (24:23):
Where it really matters the bottom line, the Big Ten
is just going to dominate. The SEC is going to
be a distant second no matter what now, and then
you probably have you know, the Big twelve in the
ACC and whatever is left out of everybody else.
Speaker 3 (24:36):
So when you talk about a television deal, the Big
Ten already has one in place for the rest of
the decade. Isn't that a huge statement that Oregon and
Washington would go into the Big Ten and not be
a full TV partner, that is, not get the full
shares that that USC and UCLA are getting joining right.
Speaker 4 (24:54):
That the exist Big Ten.
Speaker 6 (24:56):
Here's how this got funky. Is kind of like I
just was talking about with the Mountain West deal, Well,
what other option you got, son? I mean, either they
could stay with the PAC twelve and you know, look,
you're really going to keep hitting refresh, you know, fifty
times a day, hoping you're good Apple subscribers that are
gonna like get you're going to be able to pay
for your volleyball team. No, you know, so there's either
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that or maybe you go to the Big twelve and
maybe you make thirty ish million a year or something
like this. That's okay. Or you go to the Big ten,
which is obviously the biggest, baddest conference going, and then
you'll probably find so you don't get the full seventy
million share. You might get forty million. That's more. So
you're still making up fine and you're doing okay for yourself,
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and then eventually you'll get up the speed and get
that extra money. But also it's the affiliation again, you know,
it's the markets. You have all the big media markets
in the country. You have the big giant TV contract,
you have the great academic institutions, which again only got
that much stronger with USD and UCLA, And of course
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you kind of want to be a part of all that.
If you're in Oregon, in Washington, especially if you're tucked
away in the northwest part of the country. This all
of a sudden makes you, makes everything about you bigger
when you're looking at you know, I know this. I'm
going through the process with the kids trying to look
at colleges. It's a thing to be a part of
the Hey, look, I'm going to be a part of
this big tent thing because that's going to be the
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biggest thing going. And Oregon and Washington being big ten school,
that just means that much more proceeds. They're on the
bar they made the varsity is what they did now
with this moment.
Speaker 3 (26:31):
So that's the most damning thing against the pact. Well,
that somebody would leave for a half share in another
conference compared to what you're offering to stay, well.
Speaker 6 (26:40):
Obviously it was really awful. And that's that's the thing
about this whole mess. Utah didn't want to leave. They
flat out said we don't we want We like being
in the Pac twelve where we wanted to be that
Arizona State said we don't want to leave, we want
to stay here. Arizona was really lukewarm and then gave
every reshot to George Kremakov to make something happen. And
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apparently whatever this was beyond just the Apple deal was
so not even close to the pin that they're like, nope,
we're gone, and just didn't even, you know, give it
a shot to stick it out. I don't know why
that the PAC twelve didn't do something like, hey, look,
we're going to guarantee you somehow forty million dollars each
for this year by us some time, buy us a year.
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We're going to get this thing done. Because eventually, because
everyone's under everyone in this whole process really kind of
undercut the PAC twelve. They lowball them left and right,
and eventually, especially with this writer's actors strike, these streaming companies,
everyone are gonna desperately need content at leads for twenty
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twenty four a year after so it was about to
flip here, but too late, all these athletic departments are like,
you know what, we're gonna take the We're gonna take
the sure thing you bet here, and all of a sudden,
give credit to the Big twelve. It took the PAC
twelve whipping for this to happen. I never ever thought
I thought they were all blustered. I thought they were
never going to get pack twelve schools, and all of
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a sudden, you get Arizona, Arizona State. I mean, that's
the Phoenix market. That's going too massive. University of school
of insert state schools, and you get Colorado and you
get Utah. That's that's a pretty good That's a heck
of a day.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
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Pete as always, Buddy, appreciate it. Big week for you
with this and Pete Palooza. Thanks so much for stopping
by with us.
Speaker 6 (28:43):
Toyson never comes to Lallapalooza. We are absolutely broadcasting from there.
Speaker 1 (28:48):
You got it. And really, how far can we be
from poison playing at Lallapalooza. Probably not very much.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
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Show with Mike Harmon weekdays at ten pm Eastern, seven
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Speaker 1 (29:06):
Starting early tonight. Okay, okay, it's Friday. Yeah, it is Friday.
That is true.
Speaker 4 (29:12):
It's weird Friday.
Speaker 1 (29:14):
Fox Sports Radio The Jason Smith Show is Steve de
Sager and from Mike Harmon Tonight, Harmon sending us pictures
from the Taylor Swift concert. Oh, she goes on in
two hours. Look at the pictures. Look at the pictures too. Yeah,
well this is about a half hour ago. I don't
think she goes on until like nine o'clock.
Speaker 4 (29:29):
Really, yeah, it's like.
Speaker 1 (29:30):
The Taylor Swift show is like, there's like eleven acts
before and I think is on, they're the they're the
big warm up act. So I think after Haym then
there's a break, and then it's Taylor Swift and she
does like a three and a half hour show.
Speaker 3 (29:43):
I thought this was a bunch of thirteen year old
girls and they have weeknight concerts and she's there for
a week.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
No, you think it's a lot. It's a big deal, man.
This is not like, hey, here's a concert for kids
who are gonna love it. It's gonna be seventy five minutes.
Speaker 5 (29:56):
No.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
No, she does like a three and a half hour
show and it's a it's it's a big event. Like
they're like, it's right. It's almost like a woodstock where
here's people leaving during the day, they're gonna go to
the bathroom, get a sandwich. Whatever it is. No, I
don't think she hits the stage until sometime after nine o'clock.
Speaker 4 (30:11):
This is like a Las Vegas show then, yeah, yeah,
well except Vegas.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
Vegas is much more. Hey, we're gonna give you this
is a ninety minute show, and we're gonna do this
and this and this and this, and it's much more done.
Go to the casino, spend you get. The more time
they spend here, the less time they spend there. So
we want your contract to be about eight minutes long.
Just make it seem long as too, because do one
really long song and they'll feel like it's good.
Speaker 3 (30:36):
They had even Phantom at the Opera playing in Las
Vegas for a while, and they took a two and
a half hour show and.
Speaker 4 (30:42):
Crammed it into an hour and a half and got
people the heck out of there. Hey, guys, quick corrections
from the first segment. Harmon's daughters actually bought him the ticket.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
Harmon, is it no? Come on, he was dying to go.
Speaker 4 (30:54):
His daughters don't even care for Jaris Smith.
Speaker 1 (30:56):
He doesn't even have daughters. He's there by himself. He's
completely made it up for the stuff, saying I have
no cap I've.
Speaker 4 (31:02):
Just made up his daughters this whole time, just to
get to the show.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
I get to see him running, because like you're supposed
to come to the Taylor Swift concert dressed like in
the theme of one of her albums. I think that
that's how it's supposed to be. I could just see
him like having like three or four costume changes from
album to album. They're not wearing this, and now I'm
wearing this, and now I could I could see it.
Speaker 4 (31:22):
I could say, well, he's being a good dad tonight.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
I will see Yes, well if he does in fact
have kids, and if he does his fact, you know,
for the concert.
Speaker 7 (31:29):
So Jay, you want to pull off like the warm
ups in the NBA, but instead of isn't a dress
pants and a collar shirt just yanks it off from there?
Speaker 1 (31:39):
It is just shake it off like written big on
a T on a spangly T shirt that's got all
kinds of stuff on. So today the Lakers and Anthony
Davis agreed to the NBA's richest annual contract extension. AD
is getting a three year, one and eighty six million
dollars The maxim contract extension. This ties him to the
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Lakers through twenty twenty eight for a total of two
hundred and seventy million dollars. Of course, Clutch Sports negotiating
this deal with the Lakers. That is the richest annual
contract extension in the NBA history, averaging sixty two million
dollars a game. I'm sorry, sixty two million dollars a season.
By the time it's all set time the number of
games he'll play and he'll make sixty two million dollars
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a game.
Speaker 3 (32:23):
So he's already thirty and signed for a few years.
Tack on this, it's five more years starting at the
age of thirty with the Laker.
Speaker 4 (32:31):
They're so back.
Speaker 1 (32:32):
Yeah, here's the thing. Here's the thing with this thing.
Speaker 4 (32:35):
Would you say he has a bad back already?
Speaker 1 (32:37):
This here's the thing. This is now the new Jacob
deGrom contract. Anthony Davis is like Jacob de Grom, as
great as he is, how much can you really count
on him for the next two years? I'm sure will
be okay enough. He'll play in enough games at thirty
thirty one, thirty two, next two three years will be
all right. You know, he's only going to play in
sixty ish games a year, maybe plays a little bit
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less than that, but enough to go through the year,
through the playoff. But you get after that, good luck
those last two three years, he's gonna be tied to
the team. How many games he is really gonna play?
I mean, and the possibility exists he get hurt big time,
because that's all he does is get hurt. So this
is like, this is why he's Jacob de grum. As
talented as he is, as good as he is when
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he's out there, he's just not out there enough. And
you've seen enough of his career to know that you're
only a little bit away from the next injury. Now,
I want, like I said, I want to think the
next couple of years are gonna be good. After that,
who knows what it's gonna be. Who knows how many
games is gonna play, who knows how wide swaths of
the season he might wind up missing. It's gonna be
an okay deal for now that it's gonna be a
really bad deal in a couple of years.
Speaker 4 (33:39):
Let's see.
Speaker 3 (33:39):
Anthony Davis has played more than seventy five games in
an NBA season, never literally never. He started in the
league as a teenager. Is now thirty years old, and
he's never played more than seventy five games and often
no more than about as you say, sixty or so,
and so he's gonna be getting massive money per year
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when he's approaching thirty five and they don't have Lebron
James on the roster.
Speaker 1 (34:07):
Wow. Yeah, look, it's it's going to be. It's gonna
be tough. But what are you gonna do? Like this
is this is the deal you're gonna give him. You're
gonna hope right now, that's what you've done. You hope
the first You hope to gain as much as you
can in the first two three years, and maybe financials
change and things happen, and maybe it's just one year.
You gotta worry about a d it's expiring contract. But man,
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I'll tell you it's gonna be just like de Grom.
It'll be okay for a little bit until it's not.
And the number of games he's gonna play, you hope
it's enough to get a championship at some point that
that's really.
Speaker 4 (34:37):
Ad will be pitching a no hitter next year exactly.
Speaker 1 (34:41):
He can still throw, sure, I'm sure he can I'm sure.
I'm sure again, at least i'm sure we'll see a
d before we see de Grom play again. So there's
that Twitter. How about a fresco Jason Smith, Steve de
seger in from Mike Harmon. Coming up next, we get
back into the biggest story of the day in football
and a comeback for the Ages. It's next right here.
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