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Speaker 2 (01:03):
How are you doing, brother well man?
Speaker 4 (01:05):
I gotta tell you it's becoming like a weekly event.
Speaker 5 (01:09):
Jumping on the show with you guys.
Speaker 4 (01:11):
More times, it seems with you, Mikey than with your
your better half, or I guess maybe your sleepier half today.
Hopefully he's getting some RESTful rest and getting that voice
straightened up.
Speaker 5 (01:23):
But I'm glad to be back. Bud.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
Yeah, you know, I skipped for a concert. He brought
home the play.
Speaker 5 (01:29):
Oh dude, how was the Stones? Dude?
Speaker 3 (01:31):
It was absurd. I got a couple of songs off
the new album that I really had hoped to hear,
and I heard whispers there were some things floating about
on the interwebs and maybe you get this. There's a
song off their new album that includes Paul McCartney on
the base. Oh wow, And so they obviously know McCartney.
But they played that and they hadn't played that on
the tour at all. So it was like it was
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a gift to me and my younger daughter because Mick
Curse is a bunch of it. It's called you know
why men, Yeah, it's it's just.
Speaker 5 (02:01):
It's called something.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
Well, I don't want to I don't want to screw
it up.
Speaker 5 (02:04):
You know why?
Speaker 3 (02:05):
You bite my head off? I believe is the actual
name of the song. Uh, but you know, he gets
he gets into it and gets after it. It was
a nice drive up to Santa Clara.
Speaker 5 (02:14):
Yeah, oh yeah, that's right.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
It was a full road trip.
Speaker 4 (02:17):
Keep forgetting that you didn't do. Uh you didn't, It wasn't.
The Sofi leg of the tour was Santa Clara.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
Yeah. So my daughter had had a couple of soccer
games off in Virginia for nationals, so she missed the Sofi.
But when tickets were on sales, she's like, hey, that
following week, you know, we we could probably get up
to Santa Clara. I'm like, sure, let's make this as
difficult as we can. So we did. My older daughter
had a day off from work, so she joined us.
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We we drove up. We enjoyed the show. What twenty
one twenty two songs long? A couple of surprises, gimme
shelter with the backup singer who is just absurdly uh fantastic.
Uh Jerry Att crowd like it's starting to skew a
lot older now. The last time I saw him, it
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was a nice mix, healthy mix here, at least where
I was seated. A lot more folks that just sat
on their asses and didn't have a lot of juice
to them, particularly with the new songs, which which kind
of stunk because they're lively kind of rocking things. But
that's okay, you know it. It was a fun time.
I appreciate you sitting in for me. It's always an
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honor to have you as part of the mix here
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dot com. The Way Tire Buying should be a veritable
mortgage board of topics and conversation pieces for us today
rich and the first one comes straight from the business world,
as Warner Brothers. You know, TNT matches all the paperwork
for that one point eight billion dollars per year offer
(04:08):
from Amazon Prime Video. We've been talking about this quite
a bit, everybody lamenting what will happen to the b
blocks that are scripted for them? By what Charles Barkley
and Shaquille O'Neill say, because I think that they were
the most vocal people about the potential loss of inside
the NBA, where people in our business who just turned
to what did that guy say? Cool, there's two segments.
(04:30):
Let's go so that that turns on a dime quote.
Our matching paperwork was submitted to the league today. We
look forward to the NBA executing our new contract, and
I say, well, maybe right, eleven year media deal, seventy
six billion dollar Disney, ESPN, ABC, NBC, and Amazon Prime Video.
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So like all of that fun and excitement when we
talk about the largest of those numbers and so Warner
Brothers Discovery where we had those quotes from leadership, Hey,
we don't need the NBA whatever I'm wondering, I'll allowed
the business part of it rich. If this isn't just
a brilliant way of all right, now, we'll go into
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the fight. And if the league really wants the new
blood to take over and get us out of our
contract that we've had since what nineteen eighty four games
being on a TNT, I think since eighty eight or
eighty nine or thereabouts, that this becomes a how about
you give us a couple hundred million dollars to go
away it.
Speaker 4 (05:34):
Uh yeah, that's exactly right, it's kind of a little
bit of like hey, caller, bluff, stick around and we'll
entertain you, or you know, this is exactly the way
you portrayed it. It's just like, hey, we want to
go a away present. Since we've had this, you know,
nearing forty year deal now together.
Speaker 5 (05:54):
We want something on the backside.
Speaker 4 (05:56):
So I'm curious to myself if this is for real
or if this is just a front so that they
can get a going away present. But either way, I
think it's smart business because the NBA, it's not like
it's not like they're going away in terms of they're
not turning any fans away at the door. The viewership
numbers they haven't been wonderful. But when you look at
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all viewership numbers across all platforms, we have such a
split audience that the one thing that rates that advertisers
continue to hawk down and pay massive numbers to or
I should say advertisers companies who want to advertiser will
pay massive money towards those networks that carry live sports.
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That's that's where that's where we're at in culture, because look,
I listen to podcasts on the free iHeartRadio app, right,
and I can skip through commercials because I pay for
a premium subscription, I don't have to listen to any
of them, you know what I mean? Like people buy
ad free Netflix, people buy they will, they will up
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there Hulu to Hulu plus.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
Right if they're paid the premium or you get the advertising.
Either way we're getting into your pocket exactly right.
Speaker 4 (07:08):
And and see that's the tradeoff. So either the network
or streaming platform is going to get your dollars or
the advertisers are going to get themselves in front of you.
But the advertisers, they really have no way of knowing
because all that information is proprietary when it comes to
the stream. Now, I'm sure some of that information is
shared with certain advertisers or certain networks or certain leagues.
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Maybe they're friends amongst foes that will share some of
that information. And maybe it's the best kept secret or
the or the secret things that certain people will say
out loud. But I don't want to get too far
in the weeds because I feel like we start talking
over people's heads when we start talking shop and broadcasting
all that stuff. Basically, what this boils down to is
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the inside the NBA program, which has been a staple
over the last decade plus with Charles and Shaq and
Kenny and Ernie is going to be taken from us
unless the NBA honors this request and this matched offer
is all they were looking for, and they keep rolling
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with T and T.
Speaker 3 (08:17):
Yeah, I keep going back to you know again, how
much people really will miss it? Like shows go on
and off the air all the time, right, you have
a good run, whether it's curb your enthusiasm and you
tap out when people are still thirsty for more, at
least for the moment, or Seinfeld or some of these
things where you just say, you know what we've done,
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and we don't want the quality to decrease, so we'll leave.
Speaker 4 (08:41):
But hang on because I do want to jump in
and say something about that. I want to hear your
reaction because I know you are kind of a culture
vulture too, like you care about things like I do.
Speaker 5 (08:53):
Like there are a lot of.
Speaker 4 (08:54):
People, myself included, who didn't love the way Seinfeld ended.
There are a lot of people myself included, and so
later in life when I revisited it, that didn't love
the way the Sopranos ended. So I agree with you
leave them on the hook. Leave them wanting more. You know,
don't don't let anybody you know overstay the party. I
get that that makes perfect sense to me, but also
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endings sometimes make the story better, and this feels like
an abrupt, jarring.
Speaker 5 (09:22):
Ending for well, a program that people cared about.
Speaker 3 (09:26):
You still have another year, right, it still has another
year to finish off. And I gotta be honest with you, Rich,
I mean, we do the show every night here from
the tire rac dot com Fox Sports Radio Studios. The
only time I'm ever hearing what Chuck and Shack and
company have to say is if it's the thirty two
second snippet that makes it on the X or my
Facebook feed or my Instagram account. No, it's not appointment
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viewing for me. And I think for a lot of
folks that you know are doing the lamentation, they're lying, boldface,
lying to you inside the NBA is coming on. I
gotta get my ass in seat. I don't buy it.
I just don't like it. Just like a lot of
games that are playing like they take on a life
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as the game goes on. Maybe you're there for the
start of it, maybe it's your favorite team, but telling me, hey,
you're there for every second of it. No, no, no
for pregame like and I love our NFL on Fox,
Am I am. I riveted at nine am on a Sunday.
You should be America World. But like for me, like
I'm immersed in this right, I'm not clinging to every
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word that these guys.
Speaker 6 (10:33):
Have for me.
Speaker 4 (10:34):
Okay, I'll give you a comparison that makes sense to
me and maybe it makes sense to you. So did
I watch every single game that John Madden ever broadcasts?
Speaker 6 (10:44):
Now?
Speaker 4 (10:45):
Did I specifically tuned into John Madden's games?
Speaker 6 (10:49):
No?
Speaker 4 (10:50):
Absolutely not. I tuned into football. I was there for
the football right now. I enjoyed it. I enjoyed the commentary.
I loved his analysis, loved his personality, and his voice
became synonymous with the sport. But I wouldn't say, like
you're pointing out, I wouldn't argue that John Madden was
appointment viewership.
Speaker 5 (11:11):
For me.
Speaker 4 (11:11):
It was the football, it was the product alongside John Madden. However,
I will say this, when he stepped away from the booth,
it was a sad day for me because I realized
how synonymous his voice was with the sport. And I
think a lot of people feel that way about seeing
Chuck and Shaq and Ernie and Kenny at halftime, you know,
at pregame, at postgame.
Speaker 5 (11:32):
I think they loved the colorful interviews.
Speaker 4 (11:34):
I think they love the fact that Charles Barkley is
so beloved for his honesty that when he gets caught
with his pants down on a broadcast, you know, when
somebody asks him, hey, name two Toronto Raptors.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
But that's the point. I think that's all that got
you of our business of they want to say, hey, look,
these guys don't pay attention, like when they go do
the college stuff, Rick, that's the first thing everybody wants
to do. These guys clearly have not watched a game
of Team X, Y or Z.
Speaker 5 (12:03):
But they but they still watch Chuck and Shack, you know.
And that's the thing.
Speaker 4 (12:07):
I like, I understand what you're saying, Mike, and I
don't disagree with you. I don't think I've ever necessarily
tuned in solely for the purpose of seeing what Chuck, Shack,
Ernie and Kenny did inside the NBA was a nice
side piece to the main event, which was whatever basketball
game you were tuning into. Is it Lakers, Clippers or
you know, an Eastern Conference showdown between you know, the
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seventy six ers and the Knicks.
Speaker 3 (12:32):
Or you got the Nixon You're fired. Yeah, that's right,
went you get thirteen minutes?
Speaker 5 (12:37):
You guys, hear enough of that already. But but it's true, like.
Speaker 4 (12:41):
You know, everybody has their reasons for turning on. I
would say the minority, the vast minority of people are
tuning into basketball just to hear what Jack, Chuck and
Shack have to say. But but I will say that
their voices will be sorely missed when they're gone, when
they're no longer are part of the ether surrounding the game.
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And maybe they still will, you know, maybe they'll find
other entry points, Maybe they'll find unique ways to fold
them into the broadcast, into the future. I mean, Charles
Barkley's talking about retirement, who knows, you know, Shack doesn't
seem to turn down a paycheck, so I think we'll
see him again.
Speaker 3 (13:18):
And his new game show starts on Thursday. I think
it's the old adage of your as loyal as your options.
So as much as the I can only see myself
working here, And good thoughts with Ernie Johnson, who's stepping
away from his baseball stuff for the until the NBA
circles back, whatever's going on in his life and family
wish him the best. But it's the idea of all
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right now that this really can go away in theory
in a year, and we'll see how this plays out
in terms of their bid to retain their portion of
the landscape. Is money talks and if it's the hey,
we can get the band back together over here, and
part of it is the production crew and everything else.
I get that very loyal and consistent to that point,
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and I think that's the biggest thing Barkley's been kind
of barking more than anything about the behind the scenes
part of its staying together. But whether there's a will,
there's a way, even if it requires producing their own
shows that are then licensed and sold off. See what
I did there, rich business ideas that we continue at
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the fan in Baltimore. J O Buddy at Jason locking
for on Twitter. It's Jason locking for. What's going on? Brother?
Happy New Year?
Speaker 6 (16:46):
Okay, what's going on guys? Year? Right?
Speaker 3 (16:50):
The new football year, second half of the baseball season.
Still a lot of you know, hope reigning supreme there
in Baltimore. As we get towards the trade deadline. I mean,
there's just a lot of good flowing. So it's good.
Speaker 6 (17:04):
Yeah, no, it's great, great time of the year. I
can't complain. The us men still looking for coach, but
that's all right, No, no need to rush that.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
And we got two years.
Speaker 6 (17:17):
Well yeah, no exactly, no, just get it right, get
it right, hopefully get it right. Soccer coming up though,
We got the under twenties qualifying right now, so that's
always good.
Speaker 3 (17:27):
A lot of a lot of stuff percolating in there
in Baltimore. We've got coach Harbaugh back and his guys
saying we're hoping to make him the greatest of all time.
But like that, hey, we have great expectations for Lamar.
Here's a little bit more.
Speaker 6 (17:43):
Yeah, we look. Harves is obviously fired up for the
start of the season, and you know, we're playing some
of the clips on my show, and he kind of
sounds a little bit like a principle in the first
day of school, and I just think he got a
little overly worked up, and I don't think. I mean, look,
(18:04):
none of this is the end of the world, but
there's enough already sort of hanging around Lamar, you know,
and when is this team getting over the top with him?
And what are the m VP's going to translate to,
you know, transcendent playoff performances and a deep playoff run.
So he got kind of added a little fuel to
the fire. And look, it just so happens that time
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timing is everything right, and in this AFC we've got
from this Tom Brady thing straight head long into this
Patrick Mahomes thing. So you know, we use words like
greatest or whatever, like it's hard to be the greatest
right now because the greatest right now might still be
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you know, in his prime and playing in the narrowhead.
So yeah, a little unfortunate wording, I suppose, But everyone is,
you know, and that organization is very confident about Lamar
Jackson and his prowess and now they just they have
to find a way to translate it to January football.
Speaker 4 (19:11):
Yeah, the two biggest news stories revolving around NFL quarterbacks
recently that quote from Harbob about his quarterback and then
Brian gutten Kun's comments about his quarterback with the Green
Bay Packers, the president of football operation, saying that he
won't play a snap until the contract extension is done.
I'm going to ask you a very important question when
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something is sort of teed up and volleyed over to
the media for us that you on why why do
you think?
Speaker 5 (19:38):
Brian guten Kunz shared that, well, I think when.
Speaker 6 (19:43):
Someone is a quarterback, and he's a quarterback who hit
the notes that doing Love hit last year in his
first full season as a starter, like there's a massive
elepit in the room. Like if a guy holding in
at the quarterback position, it's going to be pretty damn obvious,
Like everybody knows who's quarterbacking the team at any given moment.
(20:03):
It's not like a backup guard. So I think it
would have been really you would have been taking people
for fools and looking like a jackass yourself if you
tried to act like this is something that you know
what I mean, it wasn't. It's amicable enough. It's not
like you're getting misses from the agent and the player
(20:26):
on social media or you know, to people like Pat
McAfee or whatever on a daily basis, like this is
clearly something that they're working on, and they feel pretty
good about the progress. They're sub mitigating circumstances like some
other quarterback extensions from more I guess established qbs that
are still in the balance with Dak and Tua, so
(20:48):
it may not get done quite as judiciously as they
would like. But in the meantime, Yeah, the player's doing
what he needs to do. Getting hurt in a situation
like this would be devastating. I think he showed enough
last year to jump right to the head of the
class in terms of quarterback salary. And if that means
you know, I mean, if I'm him, I don't why
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am I taking anything less than term of larynx, Like,
I don't fathom a scenario where he does. So it
might still take a little finagling to get there. In
the meantime, I mean, the guy's not going to be
so I don't know how you couch it really any
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other way. And they have a history of getting these
things done, and they've had an un A mean, we're
going back to them, you know, getting Brett Favre from
Atlanta at a time when people were wondering if he's
going to drink himself out of the league like to
go from their situation then to what the quarterback situation
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has been like since then is unbelievable and they appreciate it,
and I'm sure they will get something done. And in
the meantime, like Jordan Love to a whole lot in
these preseason games anyway, So it is.
Speaker 3 (22:04):
What it is, as uh, chicagoan, you know, having watched
thirty years even going back to Don Makowski who owned
the Bears, to Jason Locket for it. No, he did
his thing, and then thirty years of misery and they're like, oh,
it's done. And I'm like, nah, this Love guy is
going to be the same thing. And sure enough, all
you have to do is wait and there it comes.
Speaker 6 (22:23):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (22:23):
But we've got folks in Chicago Land obviously wishing, wanting, hoping.
Caleb Williams and I don't know that I've seen more
video highlights of basic throws from a guy than we've
seen out of Chicago. Here he is hitting Cole Comet
from you know, on a five yard flat route, Like
this is what we're doing.
Speaker 6 (22:43):
Why, Well, look, it's good to be excited. I mean
you just said it. It's it's happy New Year, it's
the first day of school. Maybe that's a pan analysis
because a lot of people don't like to go to school.
Oh sure, it's new beginnings, right, And they haven't taken
a quarterback this this high in quite some time. I
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get it, man, I it is amazing to have these
two teams in the same division and for their paths
at the most important position in all professional sports. There
have been this divergent for this long where you're clinging to, like,
you know, one half season of Jay Cutler and it
was like, wait, we kind of had something there from it.
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But I look, I don't think he could bear that cross,
you know, I don't think that should be put on him.
It will be, but I don't think it should be.
And yeah, I understand that a lot of people would say,
can relect this breeze? Do we have to go crazy
about this? But I, you know, yeah, I also understand
fandom and I understand the media and if this kid
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can play, and I certainly think he can, and if
they don't, you know, tear him down or you know,
if they're unable to polish him up this year, then
somebody else is going to come in there next year
and they'll get their opportunity to do it, but you
should be excited if you're a Bears fan. They have
talent and I feel like it's been a while and
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she could say that about them offensively.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
That's the larger thing. Rich not to interrupt, but the
you know that you've built out a receiving core, you've
got a running back that you brought in and sw
like all of it. It's it's like they've actually done
things right in terms of a team building. So you're
always waiting for what's the other shoe to drop? Is
really what he comes down to when you're one of
these franchises.
Speaker 6 (24:41):
Yeah, I mean, oh was that for me or that's
for you? Yeah? Yeah, I understand people who are going
to go crazy about everything he does positively, and they
understand people who are going to be sort of doom
and gloom and say, you know, at the end of
the day, it's still the Bears, It's still you know,
it's the hellas last week, and they will f it
(25:01):
up right, We've got we've got you know, generations, I
guess going on multiple generations of of institutional memory and
data points that would say that, you know, they find
a way to turn you know, chicken salad into chicken crap.
(25:22):
So we'll see again I I they made they made
strives last year. There's no doubt about that. They did
coalesce around eb Refluse and you know, saved his job
with the kind of defense they played down the stretch.
Not everybody's going to take the league by storm like
the c. J. Stroud. You know, even you know Josh
(25:45):
Allen right, the first season was was tough. There's going
to be a learning curve. He's going to make some mistakes.
They need to stand by him in that organization and
they need to support him, and they need to give
him the infant structure required to cultivate him. And again,
if that's not happening, then even if they win, you know,
(26:08):
nine or ten games, if he doesn't look the part,
then there's going to be a reboot.
Speaker 4 (26:15):
Let's stay in the NFC, but go to a team
that has had successful season after successful season, but the
expectations are much higher than they are in Chicago with
the Dallas Cowboys. You look at this situation with Dak
Prescott and it really feels like it's hit the back burner.
Ceedee Lamb appears to be the bigger priority, You have
a lame duck coach, You have a quarterback on the
(26:38):
final year of what was a big quarterback contract now
pales in comparison to the sort of money we're seeing
at that position. What do you think is the mindset
of Dak Prescott. Part of me thinks that he obviously
wants to play out his career in Dallas. He wants
to sign another big deal with them. That would be,
you know, for a tremendous amount of guaranteed money up
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front and then obviously some job security for the next
bunch of seasons.
Speaker 5 (27:03):
But I have an.
Speaker 4 (27:04):
Inkling that maybe Dak wouldn't be so upset to leave Dallas.
And it's just a feeling, it's just mere speculation, it's
my own conjecture.
Speaker 5 (27:14):
How do you feel about this situation?
Speaker 6 (27:18):
Yeah, I kind of I'm with you on the ladder,
like he had become the face of Cowboys failures. But
what it's really done for a lot of people who
aren't paying attention and aren't scoring at home properly. It's
almost given like Jerry and Steven and out, like somehow
(27:38):
they take that too much money and like this has
been a problem, or maybe they shouldn't keep re upping
with him because maybe he's part of the problem. And again,
we can sit here and relegate some of his individual
performances when mistakes have been raised, but he's pretty damn
good quarterback. He's one of their biggest strengths. And well,
(28:00):
I'm not the hugest Dak Prescott guy in the world
because I think some of the heights gets out of control.
Because he is the Cowboys quarterback. I can also see
there'd be a part of him saying, oh, really, okay,
so I'm not worth this, and you think you could
draft my replacement or you want to go with the younger,
cheaper model like what you did for me. You know,
when when you pick me over Tony Romo, that's fine.
(28:21):
You know, the grass isn't always greener. And it's been
great being the Cowboys quarterback. But there's also a whole
lot of ds that comes with that. And I got
guys running the team who do play favors, who do
have personal relationship with players that certainly aren't aren't the
norm in the NFL that haven't been able to build
a winning culture or sustain anything where we win meaningful
(28:44):
games in the postseason. With any continuity going back to
the mid nineties, you know what I mean. So if
you want me to wear it, that's fine. There's going
to be another team that's going to be desperate to
get me. I'll have a market and that's cool. But
you do you you see what it looks like without me.
They're luckier in the NFGAS. That's for Dan Shore like that.
(29:06):
Otherwise that they you know, I think you'd really be
looking at a team that's in trouble. But they're going
to be at least in the hunt. They're going to
be competitive because of that division. But I don't think
they're a real contender. And you know, when it gets
that personal between the players and the coaches, right, and
(29:27):
when it's going well, it's great, But then people leave there. Man,
they seem to leave there, you know what I mean,
sort of angry and like geeks back. But that's just
the marriage of complete and utter desperation, right. But like
it got sideways with Romo, it got sideways with Dez,
Like I just think this is how it goes. Man,
Jerry falls in love with him, he gives them all
(29:47):
that money. He thinks they're going to be the salvation
their team building is crap. They overvalue themselves every year.
Jerry hasn't want to spend big in a long time.
It's not just the last couple of years. It's been
going on really since he he built the practice facility.
Like I don't know, man, Like I don't know, but
I can see Jack being being kind of sick of
(30:08):
it and sick of him being the faith of it.
Instead of Jerry and Stevens.
Speaker 3 (30:13):
He's Jason lock And fora one oh five seven the
fan at the Washington Post. You find him on Twitter
at Jason lock And fora Jason Happy New Year training
camp on us.
Speaker 6 (30:23):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (30:24):
Yeah, let's let's get it on. It's it's the long
road towards Vegas.
Speaker 5 (30:29):
So let's let's go.
Speaker 6 (30:31):
We've still got a lot of bad preseason football again.
Speaker 3 (30:36):
But we'll celebrate all to seventy two of those regular
season games. There you go, all right, brother, be good,
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already have thirty five questions that will never be answered,
but we'll talk about him next year on Fox.
Speaker 2 (31:17):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Jason Smith
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Speaker 3 (31:25):
Get the blood Pomping on a Monday night, Mike carbon
Rich Hornberger with you here The Jason Smith Show with
Me Mike Carmon. Smith trying to find his voice, psychologically, physically,
all of those things, still recovering from whatever spell someone
put on him during all his Harry Potter travels in
the UK. And how about a presca if you want
(31:46):
to check in on him. Richie sounded rough, as if
he'd done a full three hour screaming concert and had
no throat lozenges or hot tease or anything to and
get past it.
Speaker 4 (32:01):
Yeah, especially coming from Great Britain, where I mean they
drink so much tea. They wanted our fine colony here
Stateside to pay obscene taxes for it because they wanted
it all for themselves. So I mean, look, I feel
for the guy. I've been there. When you lose your
voice in this game, it's similar to rolling your ankle
(32:24):
in the game I came from.
Speaker 5 (32:26):
It's no fun.
Speaker 4 (32:27):
It's a nagging injury. And you can play through some
you can't play through others, and they'll always be the
doubters or the haters.
Speaker 5 (32:35):
But I'm in his corner and I can't wait till
he gets back.
Speaker 3 (32:38):
And when it's all said and done, I mean you
boot and rally.
Speaker 5 (32:40):
That's right, Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 3 (32:42):
Suck on some garlick or whatever the remedies that you
can find, or maybe you just stop talking and singing
and eating well Big Max for a day or two
and maybe that'll help you get back into fine form.
But neither here nor there. There's a documentary coming out,
part of a series on Netflix. You have the Simone
(33:04):
Biles story that's already up. They're doing a one on
Steve McNair that I'll be fascinated to see. But Connor stallions, Yes,
the name everybody remembers from the fun and exciting world
of the University of Michigan, the off field analyst that
was there for a couple of years. On August thirtieth,
Netflix is bringing this guy and his story to untold.
(33:29):
So one of the biggest scandals that we've had recent memory.
You wouldn't know it by any of the punishments that
went down, but hey, it's an ongoing investigation from the NCAA.
Rich but in his episode is saying he will for
the first time reveal quote his side of Michigan's alleged
signed stealing scheme that turned him into a viral villain.
(33:54):
There's a bunch of pictures of him holding trophies and
hanging out on the sidelines and in the locker rooms, etc. Yeah,
there's a million questions that go to it that won't
be answered. But Frostburg was funny. He goes, Hey, don't
spoil the ending. I'm like, what that. I've got billboards
in between the ambulance chasing lawyers for for Jim Harbaugh
bringing his brand to football to the Chargers. That's really
(34:17):
how it ended, isn't it. Yeah, Well, I want a title.
Speaker 2 (34:20):
See you here.
Speaker 5 (34:22):
Here's what's interesting about the time we live live in.
Speaker 4 (34:25):
When you run an organization and anything nefarious happens, people
will know about it vis A Villa documentary at some
point that that's just the way this goes. There are
too many people who are too you know, short on
cash when the party gets broken up, or maybe feel
like they've been wronged in some fundamental way, like there,
(34:49):
remember what happened with the allegations with the wide receiver
coach at Ohio State and then he just he just
flung muck at Urban Meyer and back and forth and
win for a little while. I mean, that was a
really seedy, unfortunate, uh chapter in the Ohio State Buckeyes book.
Speaker 5 (35:09):
You know, I mean, this is what it's gonna look like.
Speaker 4 (35:11):
You know, this is uh, this is big time college football,
and it's not always clean, and nobody's ever claimed it was.
I think the the dream or the prototype that was
sold to the American public was something different than what
was actually going on the whole time. And we're probably
just gonna have a deeper understanding of of of how
(35:33):
far the lengths will go after this Connor Stallion's doc
or you know, this University of Michigan Doc, whatever you
want to call it, and uh, and we'll have a
deeper understanding.
Speaker 5 (35:42):
Of what happened at this school.
Speaker 4 (35:44):
But I promise you, if what was happening at Ohio
State was happening with the buck Eyes, it wasn't only
happening with the Buckeye Well. And that's it, right, you know,
if you know, if what was happening with the University
of Michigan was happening with the Wolverines, I promise you
it wasn't only happening with But it.
Speaker 3 (36:01):
Always comes back to it, right, go back to your
former squad of the New England Patriots. You're telling me
that it's it's just an isolated team. It's like, no,
you just got one team that they decided to make
an example of. Go back to overinflation or under inflation
of footballs and what was real, what was imagined and
(36:21):
what just became a nice narrative of Oh my god,
look what they did. Meanwhile, quarterback after quarterback is like, yeah,
I had those those guys pump those up to where
they were getting ready to burst.
Speaker 6 (36:31):
Right.
Speaker 3 (36:32):
That was Aaron Rodgers and so many others. But keep
going on down the line, go back to the inane
scandal at Ohio State of Hey, I got a bunch
of gear I don't want. Can I give it to you?
You seem to like it? Can I get tattoos? And
that became a big deal. Yeah, right, silliness like that,
and just showing how short a road it was from
that to where we are with all of these conference
(36:53):
realignments nil and trying to set new guardrails to all
of this is kind of laughable. So the stallions, you know, storyline,
I mean, we'll see how much he gets romanticized, because
that's usually the other part of it of look at
the access and look at the cool, you know, things
he was able to do around the squad, et cetera.
And maybe we get a little bit deeper because it
(37:17):
always comes back to who knew what and when and
how and where? And you know, heavy is the head
who wears the crown, the guy up top. The fact
that you suspended Harbaugh multiple times tells me there's a
lot more to the tail, as much as Michigan fans
may want to deny it. And again to your point, yeah,
it's it doesn't mean you were the only one, but
you were the only one.
Speaker 4 (37:37):
They made an example of yeah, yeah, listen, and it's
going to be a story that repeats itself many times
into the future.
Speaker 5 (37:44):
And this story isn't even over yet, and.
Speaker 3 (37:46):
We know that erect Well, that's the best. With all
of these documentaries, the people who know where the bodies
are buried, it's like, how long? What's the statute of
limitation for that? Tosume me, he's rich. I might coming
up next. Top five training camps to
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Speaker 2 (01:03):
How are you doing, brother well man?
Speaker 4 (01:05):
I gotta tell you it's becoming like a weekly event.
Speaker 5 (01:09):
Jumping on the show with you guys.
Speaker 4 (01:11):
More times, it seems with you, Mikey than with your
your better half, or I guess maybe your sleepier half today.
Hopefully he's getting some RESTful rest and getting that voice
straightened up.
Speaker 5 (01:23):
But I'm glad to be back. Bud.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
Yeah, you know, I skipped for a concert. He brought
home the play.
Speaker 5 (01:29):
Oh dude, how was the Stones? Dude?
Speaker 3 (01:31):
It was absurd. I got a couple of songs off
the new album that I really had hoped to hear,
and I heard whispers there were some things floating about
on the interwebs and maybe you get this. There's a
song off their new album that includes Paul McCartney on
the base. Oh wow, And so they obviously know McCartney.
But they played that and they hadn't played that on
the tour at all. So it was like it was
(01:52):
a gift to me and my younger daughter because Mick
Curse is a bunch of it. It's called you know
why men, Yeah, it's it's just.
Speaker 5 (02:01):
It's called something.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
Well, I don't want to I don't want to screw
it up.
Speaker 5 (02:04):
You know why?
Speaker 3 (02:05):
You bite my head off? I believe is the actual
name of the song. Uh, but you know, he gets
he gets into it and gets after it. It was
a nice drive up to Santa Clara.
Speaker 5 (02:14):
Yeah, oh yeah, that's right.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
It was a full road trip.
Speaker 4 (02:17):
Keep forgetting that you didn't do. Uh you didn't, It wasn't.
The Sofi leg of the tour was Santa Clara.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
Yeah. So my daughter had had a couple of soccer
games off in Virginia for nationals, so she missed the Sofi.
But when tickets were on sales, she's like, hey, that
following week, you know, we we could probably get up
to Santa Clara. I'm like, sure, let's make this as
difficult as we can. So we did. My older daughter
had a day off from work, so she joined us.
(02:43):
We we drove up. We enjoyed the show. What twenty
one twenty two songs long? A couple of surprises, gimme
shelter with the backup singer who is just absurdly uh fantastic.
Uh Jerry Att crowd like it's starting to skew a
lot older now. The last time I saw him, it
(03:04):
was a nice mix, healthy mix here, at least where
I was seated. A lot more folks that just sat
on their asses and didn't have a lot of juice
to them, particularly with the new songs, which which kind
of stunk because they're lively kind of rocking things. But
that's okay, you know it. It was a fun time.
I appreciate you sitting in for me. It's always an
(03:24):
honor to have you as part of the mix here
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dot com. The Way Tire Buying should be a veritable
mortgage board of topics and conversation pieces for us today
rich and the first one comes straight from the business world,
as Warner Brothers. You know, TNT matches all the paperwork
for that one point eight billion dollars per year offer
(04:08):
from Amazon Prime Video. We've been talking about this quite
a bit, everybody lamenting what will happen to the b
blocks that are scripted for them? By what Charles Barkley
and Shaquille O'Neill say, because I think that they were
the most vocal people about the potential loss of inside
the NBA, where people in our business who just turned
to what did that guy say? Cool, there's two segments.
(04:30):
Let's go so that that turns on a dime quote.
Our matching paperwork was submitted to the league today. We
look forward to the NBA executing our new contract, and
I say, well, maybe right, eleven year media deal, seventy
six billion dollar Disney, ESPN, ABC, NBC, and Amazon Prime Video.
(04:53):
So like all of that fun and excitement when we
talk about the largest of those numbers and so Warner
Brothers Discovery where we had those quotes from leadership, Hey,
we don't need the NBA whatever I'm wondering, I'll allowed
the business part of it rich. If this isn't just
a brilliant way of all right, now, we'll go into
(05:14):
the fight. And if the league really wants the new
blood to take over and get us out of our
contract that we've had since what nineteen eighty four games
being on a TNT, I think since eighty eight or
eighty nine or thereabouts, that this becomes a how about
you give us a couple hundred million dollars to go
away it.
Speaker 4 (05:34):
Uh yeah, that's exactly right, it's kind of a little
bit of like hey, caller, bluff, stick around and we'll
entertain you, or you know, this is exactly the way
you portrayed it. It's just like, hey, we want to
go a away present. Since we've had this, you know,
nearing forty year deal now together.
Speaker 5 (05:54):
We want something on the backside.
Speaker 4 (05:56):
So I'm curious to myself if this is for real
or if this is just a front so that they
can get a going away present. But either way, I
think it's smart business because the NBA, it's not like
it's not like they're going away in terms of they're
not turning any fans away at the door. The viewership
numbers they haven't been wonderful. But when you look at
(06:19):
all viewership numbers across all platforms, we have such a
split audience that the one thing that rates that advertisers
continue to hawk down and pay massive numbers to or
I should say advertisers companies who want to advertiser will
pay massive money towards those networks that carry live sports.
(06:40):
That's that's where that's where we're at in culture, because look,
I listen to podcasts on the free iHeartRadio app, right,
and I can skip through commercials because I pay for
a premium subscription, I don't have to listen to any
of them, you know what I mean? Like people buy
ad free Netflix, people buy they will, they will up
(07:00):
there Hulu to Hulu plus.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
Right if they're paid the premium or you get the advertising.
Either way we're getting into your pocket exactly right.
Speaker 4 (07:08):
And and see that's the tradeoff. So either the network
or streaming platform is going to get your dollars or
the advertisers are going to get themselves in front of you.
But the advertisers, they really have no way of knowing
because all that information is proprietary when it comes to
the stream. Now, I'm sure some of that information is
shared with certain advertisers or certain networks or certain leagues.
(07:32):
Maybe they're friends amongst foes that will share some of
that information. And maybe it's the best kept secret or
the or the secret things that certain people will say
out loud. But I don't want to get too far
in the weeds because I feel like we start talking
over people's heads when we start talking shop and broadcasting
all that stuff. Basically, what this boils down to is
(07:56):
the inside the NBA program, which has been a staple
over the last decade plus with Charles and Shaq and
Kenny and Ernie is going to be taken from us
unless the NBA honors this request and this matched offer
is all they were looking for, and they keep rolling
(08:16):
with T and T.
Speaker 3 (08:17):
Yeah, I keep going back to you know again, how
much people really will miss it? Like shows go on
and off the air all the time, right, you have
a good run, whether it's curb your enthusiasm and you
tap out when people are still thirsty for more, at
least for the moment, or Seinfeld or some of these
things where you just say, you know what we've done,
(08:38):
and we don't want the quality to decrease, so we'll leave.
Speaker 4 (08:41):
But hang on because I do want to jump in
and say something about that. I want to hear your
reaction because I know you are kind of a culture
vulture too, like you care about things like I do.
Speaker 5 (08:53):
Like there are a lot of.
Speaker 4 (08:54):
People, myself included, who didn't love the way Seinfeld ended.
There are a lot of people myself included, and so
later in life when I revisited it, that didn't love
the way the Sopranos ended. So I agree with you
leave them on the hook. Leave them wanting more. You know,
don't don't let anybody you know overstay the party. I
get that that makes perfect sense to me, but also
(09:16):
endings sometimes make the story better, and this feels like
an abrupt, jarring.
Speaker 5 (09:22):
Ending for well, a program that people cared about.
Speaker 3 (09:26):
You still have another year, right, it still has another
year to finish off. And I gotta be honest with you, Rich,
I mean, we do the show every night here from
the tire rac dot com Fox Sports Radio Studios. The
only time I'm ever hearing what Chuck and Shack and
company have to say is if it's the thirty two
second snippet that makes it on the X or my
Facebook feed or my Instagram account. No, it's not appointment
(09:49):
viewing for me. And I think for a lot of
folks that you know are doing the lamentation, they're lying, boldface,
lying to you inside the NBA is coming on. I
gotta get my ass in seat. I don't buy it.
I just don't like it. Just like a lot of
games that are playing like they take on a life
(10:10):
as the game goes on. Maybe you're there for the
start of it, maybe it's your favorite team, but telling me, hey,
you're there for every second of it. No, no, no
for pregame like and I love our NFL on Fox,
Am I am. I riveted at nine am on a Sunday.
You should be America World. But like for me, like
I'm immersed in this right, I'm not clinging to every
(10:32):
word that these guys.
Speaker 6 (10:33):
Have for me.
Speaker 4 (10:34):
Okay, I'll give you a comparison that makes sense to
me and maybe it makes sense to you. So did
I watch every single game that John Madden ever broadcasts?
Speaker 6 (10:44):
Now?
Speaker 4 (10:45):
Did I specifically tuned into John Madden's games?
Speaker 6 (10:49):
No?
Speaker 4 (10:50):
Absolutely not. I tuned into football. I was there for
the football right now. I enjoyed it. I enjoyed the commentary.
I loved his analysis, loved his personality, and his voice
became synonymous with the sport. But I wouldn't say, like
you're pointing out, I wouldn't argue that John Madden was
appointment viewership.
Speaker 5 (11:11):
For me.
Speaker 4 (11:11):
It was the football, it was the product alongside John Madden. However,
I will say this, when he stepped away from the booth,
it was a sad day for me because I realized
how synonymous his voice was with the sport. And I
think a lot of people feel that way about seeing
Chuck and Shaq and Ernie and Kenny at halftime, you know,
at pregame, at postgame.
Speaker 5 (11:32):
I think they loved the colorful interviews.
Speaker 4 (11:34):
I think they love the fact that Charles Barkley is
so beloved for his honesty that when he gets caught
with his pants down on a broadcast, you know, when
somebody asks him, hey, name two Toronto Raptors.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
But that's the point. I think that's all that got
you of our business of they want to say, hey, look,
these guys don't pay attention, like when they go do
the college stuff, Rick, that's the first thing everybody wants
to do. These guys clearly have not watched a game
of Team X, Y or Z.
Speaker 5 (12:03):
But they but they still watch Chuck and Shack, you know.
And that's the thing.
Speaker 4 (12:07):
I like, I understand what you're saying, Mike, and I
don't disagree with you. I don't think I've ever necessarily
tuned in solely for the purpose of seeing what Chuck, Shack,
Ernie and Kenny did inside the NBA was a nice
side piece to the main event, which was whatever basketball
game you were tuning into. Is it Lakers, Clippers or
you know, an Eastern Conference showdown between you know, the
(12:30):
seventy six ers and the Knicks.
Speaker 3 (12:32):
Or you got the Nixon You're fired. Yeah, that's right,
went you get thirteen minutes?
Speaker 5 (12:37):
You guys, hear enough of that already. But but it's true, like.
Speaker 4 (12:41):
You know, everybody has their reasons for turning on. I
would say the minority, the vast minority of people are
tuning into basketball just to hear what Jack, Chuck and
Shack have to say. But but I will say that
their voices will be sorely missed when they're gone, when
they're no longer are part of the ether surrounding the game.
(13:02):
And maybe they still will, you know, maybe they'll find
other entry points, Maybe they'll find unique ways to fold
them into the broadcast, into the future. I mean, Charles
Barkley's talking about retirement, who knows, you know, Shack doesn't
seem to turn down a paycheck, so I think we'll
see him again.
Speaker 3 (13:18):
And his new game show starts on Thursday. I think
it's the old adage of your as loyal as your options.
So as much as the I can only see myself
working here, And good thoughts with Ernie Johnson, who's stepping
away from his baseball stuff for the until the NBA
circles back, whatever's going on in his life and family
wish him the best. But it's the idea of all
(13:39):
right now that this really can go away in theory
in a year, and we'll see how this plays out
in terms of their bid to retain their portion of
the landscape. Is money talks and if it's the hey,
we can get the band back together over here, and
part of it is the production crew and everything else.
I get that very loyal and consistent to that point,
(14:02):
and I think that's the biggest thing Barkley's been kind
of barking more than anything about the behind the scenes
part of its staying together. But whether there's a will,
there's a way, even if it requires producing their own
shows that are then licensed and sold off. See what
I did there, rich business ideas that we continue at
(14:23):
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Find me over at Swollen Dome coming up next to
Jason locking Forth is gonna stop by to talk all
things National Football League.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Jason Smith
Show with Mike harmon weekdays at ten pm Eastern seven
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Speaker 7 (14:53):
Hey, we're Cavino and Rich Fox Sports Radio every day
five to seven pm Eastern. But here's the thing. We
never have in the time to get to everything we
want to get to.
Speaker 8 (15:02):
And that's why we have a brand new podcast called
over Promised. You see, we're having so much fun in
our two hour show. We never get to everything, honestly,
because this guy is over promising things we never have
time for.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
Yeah, you blubber list name in me.
Speaker 7 (15:16):
Well, you know what it's called over promise. You should
be good at it because you've been over promising women
for years.
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the fan in Baltimore. J O Buddy at Jason locking
for on Twitter. It's Jason locking for. What's going on? Brother?
Happy New Year?
Speaker 6 (16:46):
Okay, what's going on guys? Year? Right?
Speaker 3 (16:50):
The new football year, second half of the baseball season.
Still a lot of you know, hope reigning supreme there
in Baltimore. As we get towards the trade deadline. I mean,
there's just a lot of good flowing. So it's good.
Speaker 6 (17:04):
Yeah, no, it's great, great time of the year. I
can't complain. The us men still looking for coach, but
that's all right, No, no need to rush that.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
And we got two years.
Speaker 6 (17:17):
Well yeah, no exactly, no, just get it right, get
it right, hopefully get it right. Soccer coming up though,
We got the under twenties qualifying right now, so that's
always good.
Speaker 3 (17:27):
A lot of a lot of stuff percolating in there
in Baltimore. We've got coach Harbaugh back and his guys
saying we're hoping to make him the greatest of all time.
But like that, hey, we have great expectations for Lamar.
Here's a little bit more.
Speaker 6 (17:43):
Yeah, we look. Harves is obviously fired up for the
start of the season, and you know, we're playing some
of the clips on my show, and he kind of
sounds a little bit like a principle in the first
day of school, and I just think he got a
little overly worked up, and I don't think. I mean, look,
(18:04):
none of this is the end of the world, but
there's enough already sort of hanging around Lamar, you know,
and when is this team getting over the top with him?
And what are the m VP's going to translate to,
you know, transcendent playoff performances and a deep playoff run.
So he got kind of added a little fuel to
the fire. And look, it just so happens that time
(18:30):
timing is everything right, and in this AFC we've got
from this Tom Brady thing straight head long into this
Patrick Mahomes thing. So you know, we use words like
greatest or whatever, like it's hard to be the greatest
right now because the greatest right now might still be
(18:51):
you know, in his prime and playing in the narrowhead.
So yeah, a little unfortunate wording, I suppose, But everyone is,
you know, and that organization is very confident about Lamar
Jackson and his prowess and now they just they have
to find a way to translate it to January football.
Speaker 4 (19:11):
Yeah, the two biggest news stories revolving around NFL quarterbacks
recently that quote from Harbob about his quarterback and then
Brian gutten Kun's comments about his quarterback with the Green
Bay Packers, the president of football operation, saying that he
won't play a snap until the contract extension is done.
I'm going to ask you a very important question when
(19:31):
something is sort of teed up and volleyed over to
the media for us that you on why why do
you think?
Speaker 5 (19:38):
Brian guten Kunz shared that, well, I think when.
Speaker 6 (19:43):
Someone is a quarterback, and he's a quarterback who hit
the notes that doing Love hit last year in his
first full season as a starter, like there's a massive
elepit in the room. Like if a guy holding in
at the quarterback position, it's going to be pretty damn obvious,
Like everybody knows who's quarterbacking the team at any given moment.
(20:03):
It's not like a backup guard. So I think it
would have been really you would have been taking people
for fools and looking like a jackass yourself if you
tried to act like this is something that you know
what I mean, it wasn't. It's amicable enough. It's not
like you're getting misses from the agent and the player
(20:26):
on social media or you know, to people like Pat
McAfee or whatever on a daily basis, like this is
clearly something that they're working on, and they feel pretty
good about the progress. They're sub mitigating circumstances like some
other quarterback extensions from more I guess established qbs that
are still in the balance with Dak and Tua, so
(20:48):
it may not get done quite as judiciously as they
would like. But in the meantime, Yeah, the player's doing
what he needs to do. Getting hurt in a situation
like this would be devastating. I think he showed enough
last year to jump right to the head of the
class in terms of quarterback salary. And if that means
you know, I mean, if I'm him, I don't why
(21:10):
am I taking anything less than term of larynx, Like,
I don't fathom a scenario where he does. So it
might still take a little finagling to get there. In
the meantime, I mean, the guy's not going to be
so I don't know how you couch it really any
(21:30):
other way. And they have a history of getting these
things done, and they've had an un A mean, we're
going back to them, you know, getting Brett Favre from
Atlanta at a time when people were wondering if he's
going to drink himself out of the league like to
go from their situation then to what the quarterback situation
(21:51):
has been like since then is unbelievable and they appreciate it,
and I'm sure they will get something done. And in
the meantime, like Jordan Love to a whole lot in
these preseason games anyway, So it is.
Speaker 3 (22:04):
What it is, as uh, chicagoan, you know, having watched
thirty years even going back to Don Makowski who owned
the Bears, to Jason Locket for it. No, he did
his thing, and then thirty years of misery and they're like, oh,
it's done. And I'm like, nah, this Love guy is
going to be the same thing. And sure enough, all
you have to do is wait and there it comes.
Speaker 6 (22:23):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (22:23):
But we've got folks in Chicago Land obviously wishing, wanting, hoping.
Caleb Williams and I don't know that I've seen more
video highlights of basic throws from a guy than we've
seen out of Chicago. Here he is hitting Cole Comet
from you know, on a five yard flat route, Like
this is what we're doing.
Speaker 6 (22:43):
Why, Well, look, it's good to be excited. I mean
you just said it. It's it's happy New Year, it's
the first day of school. Maybe that's a pan analysis
because a lot of people don't like to go to school.
Oh sure, it's new beginnings, right, And they haven't taken
a quarterback this this high in quite some time. I
(23:05):
get it, man, I it is amazing to have these
two teams in the same division and for their paths
at the most important position in all professional sports. There
have been this divergent for this long where you're clinging to, like,
you know, one half season of Jay Cutler and it
was like, wait, we kind of had something there from it.
(23:28):
But I look, I don't think he could bear that cross,
you know, I don't think that should be put on him.
It will be, but I don't think it should be.
And yeah, I understand that a lot of people would say,
can relect this breeze? Do we have to go crazy
about this? But I, you know, yeah, I also understand
fandom and I understand the media and if this kid
(23:52):
can play, and I certainly think he can, and if
they don't, you know, tear him down or you know,
if they're unable to polish him up this year, then
somebody else is going to come in there next year
and they'll get their opportunity to do it, but you
should be excited if you're a Bears fan. They have
talent and I feel like it's been a while and
(24:15):
she could say that about them offensively.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
That's the larger thing. Rich not to interrupt, but the
you know that you've built out a receiving core, you've
got a running back that you brought in and sw
like all of it. It's it's like they've actually done
things right in terms of a team building. So you're
always waiting for what's the other shoe to drop? Is
really what he comes down to when you're one of
these franchises.
Speaker 6 (24:41):
Yeah, I mean, oh was that for me or that's
for you? Yeah? Yeah, I understand people who are going
to go crazy about everything he does positively, and they
understand people who are going to be sort of doom
and gloom and say, you know, at the end of
the day, it's still the Bears, It's still you know,
it's the hellas last week, and they will f it
(25:01):
up right, We've got we've got you know, generations, I
guess going on multiple generations of of institutional memory and
data points that would say that, you know, they find
a way to turn you know, chicken salad into chicken crap.
(25:22):
So we'll see again I I they made they made
strives last year. There's no doubt about that. They did
coalesce around eb Refluse and you know, saved his job
with the kind of defense they played down the stretch.
Not everybody's going to take the league by storm like
the c. J. Stroud. You know, even you know Josh
(25:45):
Allen right, the first season was was tough. There's going
to be a learning curve. He's going to make some mistakes.
They need to stand by him in that organization and
they need to support him, and they need to give
him the infant structure required to cultivate him. And again,
if that's not happening, then even if they win, you know,
(26:08):
nine or ten games, if he doesn't look the part,
then there's going to be a reboot.
Speaker 4 (26:15):
Let's stay in the NFC, but go to a team
that has had successful season after successful season, but the
expectations are much higher than they are in Chicago with
the Dallas Cowboys. You look at this situation with Dak
Prescott and it really feels like it's hit the back burner.
Ceedee Lamb appears to be the bigger priority, You have
a lame duck coach, You have a quarterback on the
(26:38):
final year of what was a big quarterback contract now
pales in comparison to the sort of money we're seeing
at that position. What do you think is the mindset
of Dak Prescott. Part of me thinks that he obviously
wants to play out his career in Dallas. He wants
to sign another big deal with them. That would be,
you know, for a tremendous amount of guaranteed money up
(26:59):
front and then obviously some job security for the next
bunch of seasons.
Speaker 5 (27:03):
But I have an.
Speaker 4 (27:04):
Inkling that maybe Dak wouldn't be so upset to leave Dallas.
And it's just a feeling, it's just mere speculation, it's
my own conjecture.
Speaker 5 (27:14):
How do you feel about this situation?
Speaker 6 (27:18):
Yeah, I kind of I'm with you on the ladder,
like he had become the face of Cowboys failures. But
what it's really done for a lot of people who
aren't paying attention and aren't scoring at home properly. It's
almost given like Jerry and Steven and out, like somehow
(27:38):
they take that too much money and like this has
been a problem, or maybe they shouldn't keep re upping
with him because maybe he's part of the problem. And again,
we can sit here and relegate some of his individual
performances when mistakes have been raised, but he's pretty damn
good quarterback. He's one of their biggest strengths. And well,
(28:00):
I'm not the hugest Dak Prescott guy in the world
because I think some of the heights gets out of control.
Because he is the Cowboys quarterback. I can also see
there'd be a part of him saying, oh, really, okay,
so I'm not worth this, and you think you could
draft my replacement or you want to go with the younger,
cheaper model like what you did for me. You know,
when when you pick me over Tony Romo, that's fine.
(28:21):
You know, the grass isn't always greener. And it's been
great being the Cowboys quarterback. But there's also a whole
lot of ds that comes with that. And I got
guys running the team who do play favors, who do
have personal relationship with players that certainly aren't aren't the
norm in the NFL that haven't been able to build
a winning culture or sustain anything where we win meaningful
(28:44):
games in the postseason. With any continuity going back to
the mid nineties, you know what I mean. So if
you want me to wear it, that's fine. There's going
to be another team that's going to be desperate to
get me. I'll have a market and that's cool. But
you do you you see what it looks like without me.
They're luckier in the NFGAS. That's for Dan Shore like that.
(29:06):
Otherwise that they you know, I think you'd really be
looking at a team that's in trouble. But they're going
to be at least in the hunt. They're going to
be competitive because of that division. But I don't think
they're a real contender. And you know, when it gets
that personal between the players and the coaches, right, and
(29:27):
when it's going well, it's great, But then people leave there. Man,
they seem to leave there, you know what I mean,
sort of angry and like geeks back. But that's just
the marriage of complete and utter desperation, right. But like
it got sideways with Romo, it got sideways with Dez,
Like I just think this is how it goes. Man,
Jerry falls in love with him, he gives them all
(29:47):
that money. He thinks they're going to be the salvation
their team building is crap. They overvalue themselves every year.
Jerry hasn't want to spend big in a long time.
It's not just the last couple of years. It's been
going on really since he he built the practice facility.
Like I don't know, man, Like I don't know, but
I can see Jack being being kind of sick of
(30:08):
it and sick of him being the faith of it.
Instead of Jerry and Stevens.
Speaker 3 (30:13):
He's Jason lock And fora one oh five seven the
fan at the Washington Post. You find him on Twitter
at Jason lock And fora Jason Happy New Year training
camp on us.
Speaker 6 (30:23):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (30:24):
Yeah, let's let's get it on. It's it's the long
road towards Vegas.
Speaker 5 (30:29):
So let's let's go.
Speaker 6 (30:31):
We've still got a lot of bad preseason football again.
Speaker 3 (30:36):
But we'll celebrate all to seventy two of those regular
season games. There you go, all right, brother, be good,
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but we'll talk about him next year on Fox.
Speaker 2 (31:17):
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Speaker 3 (31:25):
Get the blood Pomping on a Monday night, Mike carbon
Rich Hornberger with you here The Jason Smith Show with
Me Mike Carmon. Smith trying to find his voice, psychologically, physically,
all of those things, still recovering from whatever spell someone
put on him during all his Harry Potter travels in
the UK. And how about a presca if you want
(31:46):
to check in on him. Richie sounded rough, as if
he'd done a full three hour screaming concert and had
no throat lozenges or hot tease or anything to and
get past it.
Speaker 4 (32:01):
Yeah, especially coming from Great Britain, where I mean they
drink so much tea. They wanted our fine colony here
Stateside to pay obscene taxes for it because they wanted
it all for themselves. So I mean, look, I feel
for the guy. I've been there. When you lose your
voice in this game, it's similar to rolling your ankle
(32:24):
in the game I came from.
Speaker 5 (32:26):
It's no fun.
Speaker 4 (32:27):
It's a nagging injury. And you can play through some
you can't play through others, and they'll always be the
doubters or the haters.
Speaker 5 (32:35):
But I'm in his corner and I can't wait till
he gets back.
Speaker 3 (32:38):
And when it's all said and done, I mean you
boot and rally.
Speaker 5 (32:40):
That's right, Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 3 (32:42):
Suck on some garlick or whatever the remedies that you
can find, or maybe you just stop talking and singing
and eating well Big Max for a day or two
and maybe that'll help you get back into fine form.
But neither here nor there. There's a documentary coming out,
part of a series on Netflix. You have the Simone
(33:04):
Biles story that's already up. They're doing a one on
Steve McNair that I'll be fascinated to see. But Connor stallions, Yes,
the name everybody remembers from the fun and exciting world
of the University of Michigan, the off field analyst that
was there for a couple of years. On August thirtieth,
Netflix is bringing this guy and his story to untold.
(33:29):
So one of the biggest scandals that we've had recent memory.
You wouldn't know it by any of the punishments that
went down, but hey, it's an ongoing investigation from the NCAA.
Rich but in his episode is saying he will for
the first time reveal quote his side of Michigan's alleged
signed stealing scheme that turned him into a viral villain.
(33:54):
There's a bunch of pictures of him holding trophies and
hanging out on the sidelines and in the locker rooms, etc. Yeah,
there's a million questions that go to it that won't
be answered. But Frostburg was funny. He goes, Hey, don't
spoil the ending. I'm like, what that. I've got billboards
in between the ambulance chasing lawyers for for Jim Harbaugh
bringing his brand to football to the Chargers. That's really
(34:17):
how it ended, isn't it. Yeah, Well, I want a title.
Speaker 2 (34:20):
See you here.
Speaker 5 (34:22):
Here's what's interesting about the time we live live in.
Speaker 4 (34:25):
When you run an organization and anything nefarious happens, people
will know about it vis A Villa documentary at some
point that that's just the way this goes. There are
too many people who are too you know, short on
cash when the party gets broken up, or maybe feel
like they've been wronged in some fundamental way, like there,
(34:49):
remember what happened with the allegations with the wide receiver
coach at Ohio State and then he just he just
flung muck at Urban Meyer and back and forth and
win for a little while. I mean, that was a
really seedy, unfortunate, uh chapter in the Ohio State Buckeyes book.
Speaker 5 (35:09):
You know, I mean, this is what it's gonna look like.
Speaker 4 (35:11):
You know, this is uh, this is big time college football,
and it's not always clean, and nobody's ever claimed it was.
I think the the dream or the prototype that was
sold to the American public was something different than what
was actually going on the whole time. And we're probably
just gonna have a deeper understanding of of of how
(35:33):
far the lengths will go after this Connor Stallion's doc
or you know, this University of Michigan Doc, whatever you
want to call it, and uh, and we'll have a
deeper understanding.
Speaker 5 (35:42):
Of what happened at this school.
Speaker 4 (35:44):
But I promise you, if what was happening at Ohio
State was happening with the buck Eyes, it wasn't only
happening with the Buckeye Well. And that's it, right, you know,
if you know, if what was happening with the University
of Michigan was happening with the Wolverines, I promise you
it wasn't only happening with But it.
Speaker 3 (36:01):
Always comes back to it, right, go back to your
former squad of the New England Patriots. You're telling me
that it's it's just an isolated team. It's like, no,
you just got one team that they decided to make
an example of. Go back to overinflation or under inflation
of footballs and what was real, what was imagined and
(36:21):
what just became a nice narrative of Oh my god,
look what they did. Meanwhile, quarterback after quarterback is like, yeah,
I had those those guys pump those up to where
they were getting ready to burst.
Speaker 6 (36:31):
Right.
Speaker 3 (36:32):
That was Aaron Rodgers and so many others. But keep
going on down the line, go back to the inane
scandal at Ohio State of Hey, I got a bunch
of gear I don't want. Can I give it to you?
You seem to like it? Can I get tattoos? And
that became a big deal. Yeah, right, silliness like that,
and just showing how short a road it was from
that to where we are with all of these conference
(36:53):
realignments nil and trying to set new guardrails to all
of this is kind of laughable. So the stallions, you know, storyline,
I mean, we'll see how much he gets romanticized, because
that's usually the other part of it of look at
the access and look at the cool, you know, things
he was able to do around the squad, et cetera.
And maybe we get a little bit deeper because it
(37:17):
always comes back to who knew what and when and
how and where? And you know, heavy is the head
who wears the crown, the guy up top. The fact
that you suspended Harbaugh multiple times tells me there's a
lot more to the tail, as much as Michigan fans
may want to deny it. And again to your point, yeah,
it's it doesn't mean you were the only one, but
you were the only one.
Speaker 4 (37:37):
They made an example of yeah, yeah, listen, and it's
going to be a story that repeats itself many times
into the future.
Speaker 5 (37:44):
And this story isn't even over yet, and.
Speaker 3 (37:46):
We know that erect Well, that's the best. With all
of these documentaries, the people who know where the bodies
are buried, it's like, how long? What's the statute of
limitation for that? Tosume me, he's rich. I might coming
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