Hour 1 – NFL Coaching Carousel Shenanigans

Jason Smith and Mike Harmon have all the latest from the NFL coaching carousel.

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after NFL Black Monday turned into black Tuesday for John Harbaugh,
or maybe just a just a really really bad Tuesday.

(01:11):
The no good Judy not Bummer's Summer and they're no good,
very unhappy day for John Harbaugh. Been too long for
most movie posters. But yeah, I know it works works
out that way.

Speaker 2 (01:22):
I mean something.

Speaker 3 (01:23):
We saw the sort of damacles swinging, a lot of rumor, conjecture, speculation,
and finally it came down. Earlier today, they went full
walking in Phoenix and Gladiator, and the Thumb's down happened
in Bolt.

Speaker 2 (01:36):
I like how the story.

Speaker 1 (01:37):
Went from both sides have agreed to move on, And
an hour later it was Baltimore has fired John Harbaugh
as their head coach.

Speaker 3 (01:43):
Yeah, he lost the locker room, Like all of this stuff,
it just needed to marinate for a minute, and bam,
we broke the seal on the sudd.

Speaker 1 (01:50):
We'll put out the statement that it's mutual. Yeah, yeah,
that's fine, that's fine.

Speaker 2 (01:53):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:54):
Has Harball left the building? He got all the stuff,
you packed everything up? Yeah, yeah, no, we fired that guy.

Speaker 3 (01:57):
His password has been changed, Jenny, these statements, none of
the shared files can be edited.

Speaker 1 (02:03):
Right now, here's the deal, here's there's a couple of
huge things off of this.

Speaker 2 (02:08):
Number one.

Speaker 1 (02:10):
I always like to say we're ahead of the curve.
It was in September, in late September, back in sixty three.
What a very special time for me, Oh Lamar Jackson,
what a night with the bad start by the Ravens,
you know, the awful Week one loss where it just was,

(02:31):
you know, and things went went bad from there that
the Ravens were struggling, looked like they were done right.
The Steelers were running away with it early. The Ravens
were sitting at one win into October, and we said this,
I remember in the middle of September, Harball is going
to get fired if this season doesn't go well. And

(02:52):
I remember the reaction was, Oh, it's not gonna happen. No,
because there's been too many seasons where they have fallen short.
And while it's been a variety of reasons, you know, well, hey,
was Lamar Jackson bad turned the ball over in one playoff?
Yet could Mark Andrews have caught that pass and maybe
that would have happened, Yeah, if Tyler Loop had made
the field goal. Yeah. You can't just point to one

(03:13):
thing and say, well, this is what teams do to
Lamar Jackson the play whatever reason they have not gotten
it done. But the one commonality across the entire time,
or the two commonalities, have been Lamar Jackson and John Harbaugh. Okay,
they're not moving on from Lamar Jackson, Right, that's not happening. Okay,
the guy's going to the Hall of Fame. He's in
the middle of his career. We said it at the time,

(03:34):
they're gonna take a hard look and say, we've had
this time so far with John Harbaugh and we've not
been able to get over the top of the mountain, right, lamarja.
We just can't get to a super Bowl with what's
going on right now. And he's the one common bond. So, okay,
are we gonna think that coming back next year is
gonna happen? Right at the beginning of this year was
Ravens have the most talented roster in the NFL. They're

(03:55):
so good, and instead it was an absolute disaster for
most of the year and then a gut play final
game losing to the Steelers the way they did. We talked,
he's coaching for his job. If they don't make the play,
they don't have a run, he's getting fired. You knew
it then. So the fact that happens today is really
not that shocking. It's really not that I'm surprised it

(04:15):
didn't happen yesterday, but maybe, hey, we want to take
a day. It's emotional we played Sunday night. You know,
we didn't play Sunday at one o'clock and we're not
sitting there with a press release ready to go. We
want to make sure because if they win the game,
they're not going to fire him. And I don't think
it was a case of well, if we win, he
keeps the job, and if we lose, we're firing him.
So okay, so late Sunday night, they probably spend most

(04:36):
of the day yesterday talking about it. Do we need
to move on this? And the answer is yeah, because
you can't continue to give away seasons, not when you
have a quarterback like Lamar Jackson. When it comes down
to the two of them, you could tell just things
were odd this year. Things were just Lamar didn't run
as much. Was he injured?

Speaker 2 (04:51):
Was he not?

Speaker 1 (04:52):
Was he was he turning into a quarterback that Hey,
I've kind of unplugged from this situation, from this team.
I need a change happen. It was just weird. It
was just an odd situation. So we knew in September
they don't make the playoffs. He's getting fired. Doesn't mean
it's a bad coach, But eighteen years at one place, Yeah,
when you had this long with your quarterback, it's going

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to happen. So the fact that he got fired not surprising.
And the Ravens really had to do it because you
want to say, for the back half of Lamar's career,
and maybe he's got another three or four years of
prime Lamar left if he stays healthy, right, because you
know the mobile quarterbacks they break down earlier. It just
happens that way, So you think maybe he's got three
four more years left. Did you really think, well, which
gonna run it back with John Hope? We've had the

(05:35):
best of Harbaugh and Lamar together. It didn't work. There
needs to be new ideas coming in, needs to be
a new way to get things done because what we
had is not working. And not only did it not work,
but we came into this year with such great expectations
and we didn't even make the playoffs. So yeah, this
is not surprising in the least. This happened.

Speaker 3 (05:51):
No, I mean we joked about it Sunday morning doing
the show that I did with Jared Smith. I just
went full ww it's a loser leaves town match, right,
Mike Tomlin, whether he goes to a broadcast booth you know,
we would get the they agree to part ways that
seemed destined to where we were going. If Pittsburgh lives instead,

(06:11):
he's thumping his chest after win.

Speaker 1 (06:14):
But with Harball, it's like it's like the gift that
Frostburg sent us today, where it's it's the picture of
the last field goal going wide right, and and the
font on the on the outside of the coal post
said says Harball fired, And the font in the middle
of the goal post says Tomlin fired. Like a field
goal makes it Tomlin's getting. If it's outside, it's Harball getting.

Speaker 3 (06:31):
Yeah, that's wh for thin, right, the the razor's edge,
as it were, in terms of results, and a lot
of lamentation. And I know coaching and you wring your hands,
you go, what are you gonna do?

Speaker 1 (06:41):
That's better?

Speaker 3 (06:42):
Well, you're you're running in place, and and I think
part of it is you want Wait, if you're the Ravens,
you give it a day Sunday night football. But also,
let's see what Domino's fall. Right, Let's see who becomes
available immediately. Kevin Stevanski in division. Wait, we he can
actually come coach a place where we have the quarterback? Yeah, right,
because Bashati did this before he got rid of Brian Billick.

(07:05):
Ran Billick had a hell of a run, and then
that war wore out because you know, the smartest guy
in the room and those kind of battles and you
move on with Harball.

Speaker 2 (07:15):
I mean that Super Bowl is.

Speaker 3 (07:17):
Twenty twelve, right, that's a long ass time. You don't
get to trade on that forever. And yes, it is
an odd convergence of circumstances which most of our media
brethren failed to recognize when they start going to look
at Lamar Jackson's numbers like there should have been three
more wins, yeah, in there, and then the dopey end
of game decision. I'm still holding up a twelve to

(07:39):
fifty three side from a couple of weeks ago where
Derek Henry never saw the ball again. I mean, there
have been some decision making in the last month where
you're scratching your head, go what the hell are you doing?

Speaker 1 (07:48):
Right?

Speaker 3 (07:49):
That is the end game to all of this, But yeah,
Lamar Jackson or John Harball one has to go. Sorry,
Harbaugh done. And with Lamar Jackson, I think Key and
Josh Allen are two great example, same draft class of
guys who have been elite because of that extra that
they bring you getting to the edge, making and extending

(08:10):
plays with their legs.

Speaker 2 (08:11):
Year eight. This is year eight in the NFL. It's
been a long time. You've had a lot.

Speaker 3 (08:15):
When you and I were growing up, how many guys
got past year eight where you said, Hey, that guy's
still gonna be a star.

Speaker 2 (08:20):
No, look, you're eight.

Speaker 1 (08:21):
They were doing And I'm a big proponent because I
said this with the Mets with Pete a.

Speaker 2 (08:25):
Lonzo.

Speaker 1 (08:25):
When you've seen the best of a guy and the
best of a situation, don't sign up for more of it.
If it, if you fall in short, it's time to
do something else. Right, So it's time for the raven
to do something else. So while that is true, because
both of these things can be true at once, is
that this is now the fascinating part of the NFL
offseason because everybody we thought was going to fire a
coach on Monday fired a coach. Or if you're the

(08:46):
Falcon Sunday Night, right, I can't wait. I gotta get
rid of Raheem Morris.

Speaker 2 (08:49):
And you said that once the Jets didn't.

Speaker 1 (08:52):
Well, But that cold study that gets into things now
because what's happened When those guys were fired, there was
no buddy that really people wanted that, Hey, we gotta
go make sure we get the first interview with these guys, right,
Like Davis Webb has emerged as a big candidate. It's
for the raiders o this, Like Davis Webbs, like, so
you know where we're at with star power. But after

(09:13):
the firings and now the two names that are the
best resumes that have great levels of success in a
really weak year for candidates, for people coming in with
new ideas and new systems and new ways to get
it done right. Everybody wants the next Mike McDonald, Kyle Shanahan.
I get that, but those guys aren't out there every year,

(09:34):
Ben Johnson, those guys aren't out there. The fact that
now the two best guys on the market are Stefanski
and Harbaugh and to an extent, Raheem Morris, all guys
who were fired. This is the fact because this is
where teams that didn't fire a coach jets. This is
where teams who didn't fire a coach dolphense. This is
where teams who didn't fire a coach have to sit

(09:56):
back and say whoa are we sure we like our guy?
Because boy, I really like Harball, I really like Morris,
I really like Stefanski. I really like these guys. And
is it worth it? Because if we fire our guy,
we got to make sure we are getting the guy
we want. Like you can say, hey, Harbaugh is our guy, right,

(10:17):
because how many teams are not gonna say that?

Speaker 4 (10:19):
Right?

Speaker 1 (10:19):
Harbaugh is our guy? Okay? Well, here Stefanski should arm
wrestle over the Giants job, which I'm sure is the
number one get. Hey, I want that, I want the quarterback,
I want the wide receivers, I want the running back,
I want the market, I want everything. That's the best job, clearly,
so they should arm wrestle over that. But now these
other teams and others, Hey, wait a minute, I really

(10:39):
like this guy, but we gotta make sure that we
can get it. It's almost like you have to have
a wink and a nod that, Hey, Kevin Stefanski's agent,
we're not gonna fire our head coach immediately and right now.
But if we did fire our head coach, it just
if we did happen, What do you think think of

(11:00):
the chances that you would want to come in and
coach and the agent says, well, you know, I'm not
saying fire a guy, but if you fired the guy, yeah,
I'm pretty sure we could get something done here. So
that's how it goes. And if you're calling the Jets,
the Jets call and say, hey, so if we fired again, no, no, no, no,

(11:20):
this is the Jets, right yeah, no, no, don't keep
your guy, keep your guy. All the other coach in
the AFC East would be really mad if we came
in because they like the fact they can go to
and Ozer against Aaron Glenn pretty much every season, So
okay to keep that guy. So that's kind of what
has to happen now. So it's not gonna be suddenly where, oh,
we're gonna fire our head coach, because there's all these
guys out there. They have to know that if we

(11:41):
fire our guy that want Stefanski, Harbaugh, Morris, they're gonna
come and be so because Morris is already getting head
coaching interviews as well. He's already interviewed with the Titans.

Speaker 3 (11:50):
So now sight seeming they are just gonna have a
forty seven seat table, yeah and talk to everybody.

Speaker 2 (11:57):
Yere's enough hours in the day to talk to.

Speaker 1 (11:59):
All the people. But now that's why the next couple
of days are gonna be fascint because already you saw
the video supposedly of Stefanski. He's flying to New York
to interview with the Giants and all these different things.
So now it's like, Okay, we got to get on
it if we want to do this, because there are
a couple of pretty good openings out there, right The
Giants is the best opening that's out there, and Harbaugh
and Stefanski, hey, they'd want to be at the top

(12:21):
of that. I bet you Harball's already go I want
to come in and talk to you guys. But so
if you really want one of these guys, you have
to make that move sometime the next twenty four to
thirty six hours. And you have to know that when
we interview you you're going to come here, that it's
gonna be a deal that neither one of us can
reneg on if we if we fire our head coach,

(12:41):
we're not we can't suddenly say hey, go Bay, sorry,
we're gonna bring it back. So that's the most fascinating
part about the net. Who's going to fire their head
coach because now better options are out there. There's there's
ten teams I can think of off the top of
the head to say, hey, Stefanski and Harbaugh, potentially Mark look,
because Morris really closed well with the Falcons. It's a
messy situation there. So there's ten teams I can say, Yeah,

(13:03):
you can do better with what's out there now, not
what has been out there, but what the last twenty
four hours since Black Monday happened. Coaches got fired. There's
three guys out there better than anybody you had up
until that point.

Speaker 3 (13:14):
This would also be a great time to be working
in an agent's office, right, it's a small circle. I
think you can get a table of eight and have
most of the NFL coaches agents at the same table.

Speaker 2 (13:25):
Right.

Speaker 3 (13:25):
This is what was a dinner for five with the
old Favreau thing that he would do with Oh yeah, yeah, sure, yeah,
we're just expect adding a couple extra seats and a
you know, the divider in the middle.

Speaker 2 (13:36):
Of the table.

Speaker 3 (13:36):
But all of that to say, all right, I need
you to do due diligence on what really happened here
with this ownership group in the GM, right, because if
you're not blowing out the GM. Now you gotta go
work with that guy. Was he difficult? Was that a problem?
And every one of these ownership groups, you could rank them,
deciding which one might be the one you want to
work with least right all the way to the Giants.

(13:58):
At this point, I wish everybody well and their health pursuits.
But you know, the the walls, you know, half years
and and there'd been rumblings that there were just a
lot of discord going there. Somehow Shane survives, which is
a whole other thing. But knowing he's picking the groceries
might not be why you want to go there, even
if you like Jackson Dart and Malik Neighbors and Scatamo Scatabos.

Speaker 2 (14:19):
Scado Scatamos, Scataboo.

Speaker 3 (14:21):
But go on to Arthur Blank, go on like all
these go to the Titans. I mean, Titans rank last
in terms of jobs that you'd want to go to.
But the other one that's still interesting out there, that
we we talked about a little bit, and the rumors
are still there. If the Bears take down the Packers,
It's been a long time since the floor did anything
at work, so potentially the packers job opens up over

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the weekend.

Speaker 1 (14:43):
That's the most who fires their head coach now? Because
there's better guys.

Speaker 2 (14:47):
Get around right the full meer cat Look it up.
We love you.

Speaker 1 (14:50):
We think next year is gonna be great. Oh hey,
I know I said that yesterday, but.

Speaker 2 (14:54):
Things have changed. I'm sorry.

Speaker 3 (14:55):
We live in a different world than we did thirty
seconds ago.

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(17:11):
what do you got? The Lakers are back. Yeah, they're
gonna win this game. They are up by seven with
twenty seven seconds left to go. I feel like teams
like the Knicks and the Lakers, like every every day
it's it's either things are great or this is the worst.
This is the absolute worst. Man is terrible.

Speaker 3 (17:30):
You're talking about a game against New Orleans on the
road and La rava.

Speaker 2 (17:34):
I don't I haven't seen him do anything.

Speaker 3 (17:36):
But throw the ball off opponents. He's done this twice
in the last probably twenty seconds of game action.

Speaker 2 (17:42):
Now he's a healthy George's the side of.

Speaker 3 (17:44):
The sideline though, where he just firing it back off
like he's spiking a volleyball off him, and Lebron's running over.

Speaker 2 (17:50):
I have a good teammate today. Look at day.

Speaker 3 (17:53):
Do you think most people out there probably think that
they're in New Orleans, they're playing the Hornets?

Speaker 1 (17:57):
Oh yeah, sure, sure. They think Chris Paul is playing
guard for the hornets touch the top of his head.
They think it's Chris Paul and David West. That's that
two man games.

Speaker 3 (18:05):
Yeah, that's all right there.

Speaker 1 (18:09):
So yeah, I mean it's either Lady or the Tiger.
It's like everything is great or this is the worst.
This is the worst.

Speaker 3 (18:15):
Like, oh, that's the beauty of being in a big
market with a couple of huge superstars where the poison
pens come out at a turn up a dime.

Speaker 2 (18:23):
Sure.

Speaker 1 (18:24):
I mean, look, the Lakers are going to be twenty
three and eleven and they've gone from last week. Everything
is awful, and JJ Reddick is taking on his players
and he's getting all heat for saying, hey, we got
a care more when he was a guy on TV
a year ago saying if you're the head coach, you
have to get your players to care more. And now
everything is great, everything is wonderful. Like a week ago
things were awesome with the Knicks, it was, but now

(18:45):
four losses in a row and suddenly Jalen Brunton saying
we have to respond.

Speaker 5 (18:49):
We have.

Speaker 1 (18:50):
We had a closed door meeting after the game is over,
like it's there, there's no That's the one thing that
I always worry about teams like the Lakers and the
Knicks where it can't be Hey, we have to play
bet you know, we adjust from one game to the next.
Too many wild swings of emotion over the course from
eighty two games. Look, in any in any sport, you can't.

(19:11):
You can't treat every week like it's the super Bowl, right,
that was always I told you that was always Rex
Ryan's issue. Every week can't be the super Bowl, And
it was when he was the head coach of the
Jets and the Bills, Like, you can't do that because
the wins are great, but the losses are devastating. You
wind up going on a run where things are just
absolutely awful. You have to be able to, you know,
treat wins and losses. The impostor is the same, and
you'll be a man my son and Rudyard Kipling. But

(19:33):
but teams like the Lakers and the Knicks, it's impossible.
It's impossible for for one game, if it goes bad,
it's all look at all the problems, Look at all
the problems I got now, But the win a game,
it's everything is off. Everything is great, it is wonderful.

Speaker 2 (19:45):
It's all right.

Speaker 1 (19:45):
That's great, yeah, oh no, no, but now we lost
and now everything is bad again. Like that's why I
keep going back saying it's it's January again. I don't
know why we're still playing basketball games. I watched the
Knicks win the title last month. I watched the confetti
come down. I don't know why I were still playing.

Speaker 3 (20:00):
Well, it was the shortest off season in NBA history,
and they had two weeks the end of one season
till Christmas Day, and here we are.

Speaker 1 (20:08):
I mean, I'm ready for the beginning of next season.
When the Knicks raised the banner for the the nd
season tournament championship, I'm ready for to raise the banner.
That's why they're not doing it now. The closed door
more to plan a parade route. The celebration would be.

Speaker 2 (20:21):
Why are we playing?

Speaker 1 (20:22):
This makes no sense. They were voting on catering when
I watched confetti come down, and you're wearing hats, championship
hats and T shirts. It's over. It's over, and the
championship is here. It's absolutely over, right. I don't know
why again, I don't know why we're still playing basketball.
I really don't college basketball. Sure, we got to get
to March but the NBA, why we are inside the
next one? I saw it, I watched, but again it's

(20:42):
it's a new season. I mean, reset the records and
get after it, because really that's kind of what we
do as we get to the end of diverge, like
that's freezing because look at all of a sudden, the
Clippers are good.

Speaker 2 (20:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (20:53):
Yeah, well I don't know that they're good easy good. Yeah,
but yeah, but it's but I didn't say great, but
be going. But before that they had lost like twenty
five of thirty. That was the preseason when your Knicks
won the title. Again, I don't know why we're still
playing basketball. Why are guys being interviewed? Why am I
watching the right? The season's over. We won. I saw

(21:14):
it in Vegas. Had happened. It's over. The Knicks won
the title.

Speaker 2 (21:17):
Did you cash that ticket? Yeah, Knicks champions.

Speaker 1 (21:20):
I can squint at it and go that it looks
like a Larry O'Brien Trophy ticket right there. I could
do that.

Speaker 2 (21:24):
I could do that.

Speaker 1 (21:25):
That was you know, that was the one time I
could say I could see what my life in retirement
from from working would be, Like I would easially say, oh,
the Knicks are playing in Vegas. Let's go to Vegas
for for four days. Let's go to Vegas for four days.
Because I don't have work for Payton spend a lot
of money on tickets, that's for sure.

Speaker 3 (21:43):
I could be a seat filler and see yeah, hey,
you're not dressed appropriate now.

Speaker 1 (21:47):
Yeah, pay would love to go to Vegas four days
see a couple of games. Yeah, I get, but I
can't do that because I got to sit next to
you every night and you know, and talk about sports
and and let everybody know, now things are gonna go
over the course of next month, because you know, we
predict the future. Well yeah, but like for talking like, yeah,
I would easily do that. Oh, I'll go to Vegas
for four days. Yes, you're go see a couple of games. Yeah,
tickets are basically free, they're giving them away, all right.

Speaker 3 (22:07):
Great, Yeah, but then you start negotiating. Look, I'll be
a seed filler, but I need a ticket to the back.
You gotta give me something of value if I'm going
to go out here.

Speaker 1 (22:16):
Now, speaking of Vegas, this gets to a story that's
now bled into its second day that I just want
to say that this is not me saying, oh, you
say bad things about my team. I think you're an idiot.
This is me saying, hey, you say bad things about
my team I agree with, but still you kind of
look like an idiot. So Todd McShay, who longtime ESPN

(22:37):
ad I did shows with Todd. You know Todd. Todd's
a good dude. Got clicks a day ago by saying, Hey,
if you're Dante Moore, you call the Raiders to see
if they'll draft you number one overall, and if they won't,
you say, I'm going back to Oregon because nobody in
this draft wants to be a Jet. Okay said it
was really, what do you say? Nobody wants to be

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a Jet? Now, let's let's be realistic on it, because
I'm gonna be realistic before I tell you why. Todd
mcshay's full of it, right, So, and now everybody wants
to know with the game coming up Dante more, what
kind of game does he have to have you go back?
What kind of money would it be for Oregon to
keep them? Would it be seven to ten million dollars?
Do they have it for him?

Speaker 4 (23:15):
So?

Speaker 2 (23:16):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (23:17):
Do I think players generally are thrilled with being Jets. No,
but someone's gonna get taken number two overall, someone's gonna
be incredibly happy. They're gonna hold up the Jets jersey
and they're gonna go play. Right, But do I really
think the Jets are are a team that people are
going crazy to go play for. No, the Jets are
an absolute train wreck, right, I get that, But there's
still one of thirty two, and people like to be employed,

(23:37):
they like to play, and they're gonna go play for
the Jets. Right. Doesn't mean that I don't disagree that. Hey,
the Jets ruined quarterbacks. Whatever the Jets do is wrong, right.
Whatever they decide to do is wrong, right, Whatever they
decide to do is wrong. I understand that because I
get that. Now, no matter what they do, this seems
like it's right, which means it's wrong. It means whatever
decision they make is gonna wind up being wrong. So
I understand, However, just the way to prove that point

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by saying, I call the Raiders to see if they
take me number one overall, not. I call the Cowboys,
I call the forty nine ers, I call the Steelers.
I call these well runnis good that are picking number
one overall put the Cowboys right, well, but cowboys are relative.

Speaker 3 (24:20):
Yeah still still good good overall.

Speaker 2 (24:22):
This is yeah, run, yeah, yeah, this is so.

Speaker 1 (24:25):
What he's saying is that, oh, the Raiders are the
deaths are a destination. The Raiders are the biggest tire
fire alongside the Jets. And you could say they're even
a worse tire fire because they've been worse for longer
than the Jets have been. They don't develop quarterbacks either,
they don't develop anybody. They're an absolute mess. You saw
reports say how dysfunctional they were last year. You hire

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a first year GM and a seventy four year old
head coach, and Tom Brady is jumping in and making decisions.
The Raiders are an absolute tire fire. Don't sit here
and tell me, oh, yeah, I call the right Really
you want to go to the Raiders. I don't think
for Naro Mendoza on to be a Raider, really, I
don't think he does. I don't think Dante Moore wants.

Speaker 2 (25:03):
To be a Raider.

Speaker 1 (25:03):
But Todd McShay hates the Jets. He's friends with Joe Douglas.
I understand that nobody wants to be a Jet, but dude,
nobody wants to be a Raider either. Look, don't suddenly
sit here and tell me that, Hey, Vegas is a
big destination for NFL players. No one's excited coming out
saying I want to go play for the Raiders. I
weep for Fernando Mendoza. Think about what's gonna happen to

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him coming from Indiana, which is this program that we
stand up and say, look at the shining light. They've
been all the positivity he's been able to experience the
last year in Indiana, this incredible wave of doing things
well and being the little engine that could, and now
they're a power and he wins the Heisman Trophy. All

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of this success that Kurt Signetti has been able to
succeed with in Indiana, He's gonna go to the Raiders.
It's gonna be what the blank is going on here?

Speaker 2 (25:54):
Man? Things were better when I.

Speaker 1 (25:56):
Was in college, when I was in Bloomington, things were
better than this.

Speaker 2 (26:00):
Man. What the hell?

Speaker 1 (26:01):
He's used to an incredibly great way of life and
just waking up every day and songbirds singing outside the door,
and it's like bell from beating. The beast is going
is singing every morning, every morning, morning, Bell, morning, sir, little.

Speaker 2 (26:14):
Town, blooming Town.

Speaker 1 (26:16):
Like, that's f Danda Mendoza right now, and then he's
gonna go to Vegas. It's Oundy's whoa whoa, whoa, whoa
whoa dude, I really this is this is not what
I thought it was gonna be. And the Raiders will
ruin him, just like the Jets will ruin whoever they
take so to. Suddenly they just say, oh, I go
and call the Raiders. That's a load of crap. Nobody
wants to be a Raider either. If it was a
different team picking number one, it was if it was

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the Chargers, if it was the Broncos, it was a Giants,
it was a okay, yeah, I get it. You want
to go to one of those teams, And if the
other team is the Jets, maybe you want to take
your chance. But it's the Raiders picking number one. Man, Okay,
they're just as bad as the Jets at everything. Okay,
the Jets and the Raiders are equally have been equally
worthless of franchises the last twenty some odd years, So

(26:58):
let's just stop with this whole. Oh yeah, the Raiders
are the destination.

Speaker 3 (27:01):
The Jets are number two last year Travis Hunter four year,
forty six points sixty.

Speaker 2 (27:07):
Five million dollars.

Speaker 3 (27:10):
I don't care what emblem is on the side of
the helmet.

Speaker 2 (27:13):
I'm moving on.

Speaker 3 (27:13):
But the reality is when we talk about these teams
that perennially draft up top.

Speaker 2 (27:18):
You recognize what it is.

Speaker 3 (27:19):
If you have any modicum of success, you're a hero.

Speaker 1 (27:22):
Right.

Speaker 3 (27:23):
So we talk about what's the most desirable coaching job?
So I point to the ownership and where they are
they hands off? Do they want a bunch of the shine?
And what's the history there? The GM are they installed?
Are they long long established? Do you know how they operate?
Or they one or two year kind of guys engstrand
in your case with the Jets, and you're looking at

(27:46):
you know, spy tech and whatever. The Tom Brady system
is there. But if you could resurrect those programs, look,
you get don't get any extra bonus points. If you
make the Tennessee Titans relevant. Okay, a couple of noise
makers and folks will be excited in the state of Tennessee.
But from a National Football League perspective, if you can
make the Jets or the Raiders relevant, and you've got

(28:07):
two huge platforms. Like if you're a quarterback, you're a
hero when you walk in. Now you see that the
odds have been against you, and literally in Vegas and
then they're stacked against you history wise. But everybody wants
to be the guy to fix it, right. We talk
about it with quarterback whispering coaches all the time. Yeah,
bring me that guy that's been bounced around. I can

(28:29):
fix them. Same thing here. If you're a quarterback, the
hubris and the confidence, that's the only thing that's getting
you to the top. It's like any business, any enterprise
that you're doing, you gotta have a little bit of arrogance,
a little bit of cockiness to it. You gotta take
care of your people around you know, question about it.
But you don't become great at anything without, you know,
having that air to you of this is how I

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gotta go and do it. And for a quarterback Mendoza
or more or all these guys to I mean, it's
a great hot, hot take, right. But to your point,
perennial dumpster fire.

Speaker 2 (29:03):
How many coaches since Gruden? What is his five?

Speaker 1 (29:05):
Yeah? How many guys are on the pair And it's
only been eight weeks since John Gruden got fired and
they've had five head coaches.

Speaker 3 (29:10):
They've fired as many coaches as he's opened boxes on YouTube.

Speaker 1 (29:14):
Oh oh really, okay, so hang on, wait you got that?

Speaker 2 (29:17):
Hey, I got another one over here? What's gonna be?
And there? Where's that one from?

Speaker 1 (29:22):
Hang on, hang on, I'm going through the coaches. Now,
how many boxes has he opened on YouTube?

Speaker 2 (29:26):
He gets a lot? Oh he does. Okay, alright, So
it's so.

Speaker 3 (29:29):
I mean a little bit of hyperbole, but it's like, hey,
I got another one here, and he starts going through
and hears all sorts of gear that gets sent to him,
and he talks about his buddies, uh and whatever else.
But remember Ben does also started with the California Golden Bears.
So he's he's seen bad.

Speaker 1 (29:46):
Yeah, no, he has, but it's been a Disney movie
for him. Now absolutely little town. Standing in the middle
of the cobble study he's talking about as positive as
it is, I mean, the stuffed with his mom in
all the good works he's done and anything.

Speaker 3 (30:02):
Now he would go to Sin City and he could
be the guys at the corner cook. Come on, I'll
take you from the depths of hell and will rise
up so just and for more with the Jets, I
could be the King of New York. See we got
more show tunes.

Speaker 1 (30:16):
See we keep doing this exit out about a Fresca
exit swallendb Yeah, don't sit here and try to tell
me the Raiders are this big destination. Time not to
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Speaker 5 (30:36):
You really know, your Beauty of the beast lyrics. For
those who weren't playing along at home, that is one
of the great animated movies ever.

Speaker 2 (30:45):
Made in our lifetime, wouldn't you agree?

Speaker 4 (30:47):
You know?

Speaker 1 (30:48):
And here's the thing is, you always know when you
time you're okay having tough conversations with your kid, when
your kid turns to you and says, dad, what happened
to Gaston at the end, Oh, what happened to Yeah? No,
he just he fell down. Yeah he didn't.

Speaker 2 (31:04):
He didn't fall off the bridge and dies. He back
in the sequel, don't worry about But that's just it.
They always left it open with the guys falling into
the mist.

Speaker 1 (31:11):
Yeah. Well, ever since they killed off Darth Maul, they realized, Okay,
when someone falls down a schaft, we can't show them dying.

Speaker 2 (31:17):
We want to bring them back. So okay, well he
comes back in spider form, dad On.

Speaker 1 (31:22):
Yeah, no, he just fell and you can't see him through.
It's through the fog. It's all good.

Speaker 2 (31:25):
Well, missieurs.

Speaker 5 (31:26):
We had NFL news today with Baltimore Ravens firing John Harbaugh.
He had been with the Ravens for eighteen seasons, was
under contract through twenty twenty eight. The Lions fired offensive
coordinator John Morton after one season. Dallas fired defensive coordinator
Matt Eberflus after one Washington fired its offensive and defensive
coordinators Cliff Kingsbury and Joe Witt. Junior Rams wide receiver

(31:49):
DeVante Adams was a full participate in today's walk through.
He's missed the last three games with a hamstring injury.
The Rams activated safety Quenton the Lake. Wide receiver of
the Bears. Romadonsa was limited at walk through with his
foot injury, as was wide receiver Dj Moore with a
knee injury. Falcons quarterback Kirk Cousins restructured his contract so
he could be a free agent this year. Ohio state

(32:10):
wide receiver Carnell Tay declared for the NFL Draft. Washington
quarterback deim On william says he will transfer, but he
did sign a deal with Washington just last week. In
the NBA, there's one late game starting still a half
hour from now, Sacrameto, losers of five straight, hosting Dallas Kings.
Forward Keegan Murray will miss at least three to four
weeks with a sprained ankle Minnesota and Memphis with wins.

(32:33):
That Grizzlies victory at home was one o six, one
oh five over San Antonio, Victor Wembu and Yama off
the bench after the hyper extended. He had thirty points
in twenty one minutes victories for Cleveland, Washington, and the Lakers,
who won at New Orleans won eleven one oh three
thirty points each for Lukadansich and Lebron James. Pelicans have
lost eight straight. Luka Doncitz leads the fan voting for

(32:55):
next month's All Star Game to Kola Jokic number two
in the West to college basketball All on FS one
early second half number seven Houston as the lead at
home thirty seven to thirty five against fourteenth rank Texas Tech.
At number twenty two Kansas TCUs in the lead over
the Jayhawks fifty six to fifty early second half. Number
two Michigan won at Penn State seventy four to seventy two.

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Duke came back to win at Louisville, Florida upset Georgia
NHL Islanders nine nothing over New Jersey.

Speaker 2 (33:23):
Back to you so close game Islanders in the.

Speaker 5 (33:27):
For the largest shutout in the Isles history.

Speaker 2 (33:29):
Nine nothing.

Speaker 1 (33:31):
These scores are like back from the Some of these
scores this year like back from the eighties in hockey.
Like I said, wow, it's six to two in the
third beer, okay, great?

Speaker 5 (33:38):
Six points for Gretzky, seven for Curry.

Speaker 2 (33:40):
That's right, Thank you, Steve.

Speaker 1 (33:44):
The Jason Smith Show with my best friend Mike Carmen
coming up next. One high profile NFL team made a
big move today and after this move, I can solve
their biggest problem. And yes it is the Cowboys that's next,
right here, Jason.

Speaker 2 (34:00):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Jason Smith
Show with Mike Harmon weekdays at ten pm Eastern seven
pm Pacific. Okay, Tys shouldn't want to make a deal
with you, another deal with you? Oh right now.

Speaker 1 (34:11):
We made the deal that you had to stop playing
running up that Hill when the new season of Stranger Things,
the final season came out. Right, okay, done, we figured
that out. Deal, I miss tucking. Anyways, you you have
to stop playing this song. What if Tears for Fears
comes out with a new album, if they ever come
out with it, because I know there's no egg, get
you to stop playing it. But here's the deal, if

(34:33):
they ever come out with a new album, you have
to stop playing this song.

Speaker 2 (34:37):
I've got a very good feeling that they have an
album coming out. No, I have no idea.

Speaker 1 (34:42):
I just thought about it now I written. No, I
have no idea if Tears or Fears.

Speaker 3 (34:46):
New they are touring in twenty twenty.

Speaker 2 (34:49):
Six, He sais a deal? What do I get out?

Speaker 3 (34:51):
So if it's a new album, okay, here's it could
just be a live or Greatest Hits kind of.

Speaker 2 (34:55):
Mash up with one new song. Tears.

Speaker 1 (34:57):
The Cowers released an album last year, So I think
you're good for a little while. Like, I mean, how
many how often is Tears Frears releasing the.

Speaker 2 (35:05):
Albums So released this album.

Speaker 1 (35:07):
A little bit over a year ago, they released album
So I think you're okay, I'm so confused. Why are
you confused?

Speaker 2 (35:13):
What do I get out of this deal? No, you
get to play a different song.

Speaker 1 (35:15):
I could play it and just say no, no, you
don't do that. But I could no, because then we're
in some sort of music arbitration with our bosses at Fox,
and it's about you know, playing songs or not. All right,
I'm going to music arbitration. I'll make that deal, all right.

Speaker 3 (35:30):
Saw. It really enrages Jason when he when he hears
the opening chords, like it triggers the beasts like the
Red Hulk. Yeah comes out.

Speaker 1 (35:38):
So it says here, hang on does Tears for Fears
have a new album coming out? And the last thing
Ai says is the album that came out late in
October of twenty four.

Speaker 2 (35:46):
Ay, I didn't tell you who is that?

Speaker 1 (35:48):
Uh No, it just says, there you go. The album
features live recording of the band's concert, so they actually
know who they are. You had an out?

Speaker 4 (35:54):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (35:54):
Oh yeah, yeah, AI knows Tears for Fears. Yes, it
sounds like they do songs for a nervous play. Yes,
there we go.

Speaker 1 (36:02):
Well I guess okay, all right, So now so that's
the deal, right, we stopped playing the song of tears.
Of Fears has a new album coming out. Now I'm
gonna get on tears for fiir's mailing list, and hey,
and I'm gonna flood them with spam. What are you
guys coming out with a new album? Man, I can't wait,
can't wait. It's been a long time. I'll be like KD.
I'll just be sending out all kinds of stuff, just

(36:22):
ever every twice a week.

Speaker 2 (36:24):
You gotta be like do frame? So today big move
in the NFL. The Cowboys. We knew this was happening.

Speaker 1 (36:32):
They fired defensive coordinator Matt Eberflus. Right, the team's now
getting rid of anything connected to the old Chicago Bears.
Not the new Bears of Ben Johnson's but the old
Chicago Bears. Everybody this start. This is like in Goodfellas
when they started to get rid of everybody with the
Luftanza robbery. Yeah, when they found CARBONI was frozen so
solid to him. Two weeks to do the autopsy. Right,

(36:53):
So this is what's happened all the old Bears guys
all they're all getting shunted away.

Speaker 2 (36:58):
So I get it now.

Speaker 1 (37:00):
If you really want to change things with the Cowboys,
you want to know what to do in the offseason
because you look at this last year of dysfunction, where
on the eve of the regular season, Jerry Jones says, oh,
gotta stop the run, Gonna trade Maca Parsons away. Yeah,
sorry about that, and then having to make moves in
the middle of the season by going out and getting
Quinn Williams from the Jets, giving up a couple of

(37:21):
big draft picks, and here they are again out of
the playoffs. Right, how do you solve this? How do
you stop this cycle of insanity with the Cowboys being
just good enough to be contenders. Sometimes they're good enough
to win ten games, eleven games. Sometimes they're not good
enough to make the playoffs. They play one playoff game,
they're out. How do you avoid this? Dak Prescott needs

(37:43):
to step up. He's got his money and he's got
to very publicly challenge Jerry Jones and talk about the
moves that the Cowboys need to make because nobody else will. Right,
it shouldn't be the quarterbacks place to do that right,
But Brian Schottenheimer's not gonna do it. Everybody scared. Jerry
shot Night was not gonna do it right. Jerry Jones's
kid's not gonna do it. Steven's not gonna say, hey Dad,

(38:04):
we got to start doing It's not happening anywhere else.
Dak Prescott has to be the one at a press
conference sometime to say, hey, I don't know what we're
doing trading our best defensive player the night before the
regular season.

Speaker 2 (38:16):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (38:17):
We can't do stuff like that. We can't do it.
He's got to question things like that because that gets
all this dysfunction out in the open, and it stops
bad decisions from happening. Dak Prescott's gotta go public and
say we gotta pay Micah Parsons. I don't know what
it's all about, but I'll get involved if I have to.
You hear teammates talk about Dak's leadership style. Stuff he
does away from the field, which is awesome, right, how

(38:38):
he visits former teammates when they're going through difficulties. Like
Dak's got a pretty good leadership style, but he now
has to go public and challenge the owner of the
team because nothing else is gonna change. Jerry Jones is
gonna continue the cycle of mediocrity and bad decisions and
bad money, some good money, mostly bad money. Nobody else
is gonna do it. He got paid. He's the quarterback.

(38:59):
He's the one that has to say, Hey, we got
to be doing things a little bit differently. We can't
make decisions like this. We need we need a shut
down cornerback.

Speaker 2 (39:08):
Now.

Speaker 1 (39:08):
We can't get rid of Trevon Diggs, whatever you want
to say. He needs to be that guy that's the
checks and balances because then maybe things will run a
little bit differently. I don't know that they will, but
you're in Hail Mary time right now, at Jerry Jones
running the Cowboys, and nobody else is stepping up to
say stuff. Dak's got to be the guy to publicly
challenge him, and then maybe things will change and there

(39:29):
will be an adjustment and attitude, There'll be adjustment in
strategy and things could get better for the Cowboys.

Speaker 3 (39:35):
Remember when James Harden was in China and started saying,
I want out. He didn't hear it in the bag.
I want out for Dak Prescott. You know we were
talking about the arc, the life cycle of an NFL career.
He's twenty sixteen, man, he's two more years beyond where
Alan and Lamar Jackson, who's going to get himself a

(39:57):
new coach here in short order, are in their careers.
And he had what you would argue is the best
best year that he's had, either top or second best
year of his career.

Speaker 2 (40:08):
This year.

Speaker 3 (40:09):
You gotta found some gold in the run game. You
bring in George Pickens because he's got to start lobbying
for him now, right, because that's where you're at. The
next thing, the defensive side the game. Look, you get
rid of Michaeh Parsons, You're you're taking a huge chip
off the table. You had eighteen weeks to figure it
out and stop the bleeding. Whatever went on with Trevon Diggs,

(40:33):
that's a he said, he said story. Try to figure
out what happened in the locker room. Eberflus making excuses again.
You deal with the cards. You had to treat it
like he got hurt and was done for the year,
and lo and behold, someone showed up to help you
try to stop the run. Would it have changed how
you approached the off season Sure, would it have changed

(40:53):
out Jerry Jones and Stephen Jones and approached the off season, Sure,
but you can't. You can't cry over the old spilled
milk or spilt as spilt milk would have been in
in my Chicago.

Speaker 2 (41:06):
Ease. It's milk not milk.

Speaker 1 (41:08):
I'm gonna have a glass of milk. Yeah, m e
l k like melk Kuiper. I'm gonna have a glass
of milk Kiper melk kipe, melk kiper. That's you think
of them, elk melk.

Speaker 2 (41:17):
Is there good hair in that glass? That's great? Are
you kidding? That hair is fantastic?

Speaker 3 (41:21):
Man, You can't you can't get past the hair to
get to the mess that's enhanced hair.

Speaker 2 (41:25):
There's no question. That's me legit.

Speaker 1 (41:27):
Milk Kay is not one of the spice girls, is she?
There's melb melc mels baby spice, ginger spice, sport that's
five sporty. But there's no milk No, okay, although milk
kiper one of the spots that'd be pretty cool. Like
they do they dance, they do come kind of song
and then he evaluates the song that's good. Full throated

(41:50):
endorsement or denigration exit U about a Fresca exit swollen dome.
Coming up next, we get back into the biggest breaking
story out of the NFL today Jason and Mike fu