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Speaker 3 (00:29):
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Radio Jason Smith Show with Me Mike Harmon.
Speaker 4 (00:36):
No Jason Smith tonight. Back a little later this week, so.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
Over in the big chair alongside me virtually, of course,
is our friend, longtime NFLVET, part of Countdown on Saturday
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morning show, He's Rich Ornberger, and Ornberger's where you find
him on Buddy.
Speaker 4 (01:07):
Welcome in, oh Man.
Speaker 5 (01:09):
Thank you for having me. It's good to be back
in the chair and really nice. Jason's taking a little
time to be with the fan. So let's rock and
roll we are not in any shortage of sports topics tonight,
my friend. This has been a busy weekend, a busy
start to the week. There's a lot going on. We
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have preseason football getting started this Thursday.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
Life's good Hall of Fame Induction weekend on the baseball side,
Hall of Fame coming up, the game between the Lions
and the Chargers, all the pomp and circumstance and pageantry
that goes along with that. But we have to start
off once again, as we've done so many times here
in the last couple of weeks. I feel like I'm
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getting chipped away at bit by bit here Rich as
we just have you heard and Steve Sager's update the
passing of Ryan Sandberg, Chicago Cub's great go back to
a bunch of magical moments talking with Frostburg about it
right as we're coming on air as children right growing
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up in Chicago.
Speaker 4 (02:15):
Look, I was a White Sox fan.
Speaker 3 (02:17):
But one thing that we had, and as a nation,
we had, was afternoon baseball.
Speaker 4 (02:22):
At Wrigley Field.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
Because the lights didn't come in untill nineteen eighty eight,
so all eighty one were home dates were day games,
which meant you'd finish school and you'd get home by
the top of the third and you'd watch Harry Carey
and you grew up watching. You know, for me, this
is you know, the hallmark moment as Samberg became the
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everyday guy. Go back to eighty three and into eighty
four when he was really starting to establish himself and
they have that magical run which we'll get to the
ultimate of Sandberg highlights here in a moment, but before
they met, you know, your padres in the faded playoffs
that that year. But all of that to say, uh,
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you know, he was just such a staple of everything.
Ten time All Starred, nine time, nine time Gold Gloves.
It's in a row, right. He was a guy that
just dominated at the position. His fielding percentage for his
career nine eighty nine, which is just insane, or seven
times Silver Schlogga, nine time Gold Glove, ten time All Star,
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Hall of Fame two thousand and five.
Speaker 6 (03:33):
Die.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
He's long been battling prostate cancer and they'd made an announcement,
you know, a couple of couple of days ago, you know,
kind of backing backing down on some of the responsibilities
and hopes that you know, he was going to be
able to be part of intriment.
Speaker 4 (03:48):
Can you believe this right?
Speaker 7 (03:49):
Me?
Speaker 3 (03:49):
Being the trading card lunatic that I am right. I
follow some of these groups and one of them is
guys that that write letters and use the home address
says or whatever. He was still returning male as of
a week ago, no including little notes, just saying hey,
thanks for the love and support and everything all the
way through. So you know, he's a guy that, as
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my brother called it right in an age a week
where we lost hul Cogan, we lost Ozzy Osbourne, my
brother decided to use wrestling parlance related to Ryan Sandberg
as he was the heel of our childhood as White
Sox fans, because you were watching what was going on
over at Wrigley Yeah.
Speaker 5 (04:31):
I mean, look, he's just one of these ballplayers who
I think will always be known for, you know, quiet
leadership and some of his clutch heroics at Wrigley Field especially,
And I think he was part of an error that
really rekindled that hope that sprung eternal every spring for
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Cubs fans around that area of the country, Like we know,
cursed franchise for so long.
Speaker 7 (05:02):
What was it?
Speaker 6 (05:02):
All the way up until the twenty sixteen World Series.
Got it in sixteen.
Speaker 4 (05:06):
Yep.
Speaker 5 (05:07):
I mean it's just it's just one of those fan
bases that have been through a ton, but him and
that crew, they they really did something special to the
city of Chicago. And I think you can't mention those
teams without mentioning Harry Carey.
Speaker 6 (05:23):
You know you can't. You don't.
Speaker 5 (05:24):
You don't really have one without the other. And how
many calls was carrying on when Rhino was manning second
base or at the plate. He will be missed, Like
you said, his humility and heroics continued off the baseball
diamond as a member of the community because he he cared.
Speaker 6 (05:49):
He cared about his fans. Yeah, and that's that's.
Speaker 5 (05:52):
Something that not a lot of baseball players, not a
lot of athletes unfortunately do is respond to their fans.
Speaker 6 (05:57):
But he did. That's important.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
Well, we just look, he's also a guy that's on
the list of Hey, I retired but then decided I
was coming back, which would seemed to be a hallmark
there in Chicago as you go through. But certainly you
know with Samberg, he's also a guy that he was
a one team guy right after he came over from
the Phillies. That was it, like there was no pursuing
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greener pastures because they weren't winning. Remember the eighty four
season also marked as we get ready for the trade
deadline when Rick Sutcliffe came over in that trade that
sent you know, Joe Carter and everything like that. That
he comes in and has a monster run and then
they're propelled to that playoff run. But the hallmark game,
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which is either known as the Sandberg game or the
Suitor game, depending on where you sit on that fence,
because we get to bring in Harry Carey, the aforementioned
Harry Carey, and let's let's hear his call.
Speaker 4 (07:20):
Road just absolutely gone Baddy all right.
Speaker 3 (07:23):
So this was also an NBC game, So he got
a Bob Costa's call where he goes, is this guy
really Roy Hobbs right, come to life from the natural
kind of thing.
Speaker 4 (07:32):
So he gets suitored twice in the y to tie
it in the ninth.
Speaker 5 (07:38):
Yeah, tied in the ninth, And did he did he
walk it off in the tenth?
Speaker 4 (07:41):
No?
Speaker 3 (07:41):
No, no, So the Cardinals score too that in the tenth.
So June twenty third, nineteen eighty four TV National TV audience,
so you have the NBC telecast as well. So in
win in the ninth, right, he hits the home run,
so it goes nine to nine into the tenth and
he hits the two run home run to make it
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an eleven eleven game, and eventually the Cubs win it.
But the reaction from Suitor as he gets them the
second time, full on fist throw and if you can
just go and just imagine the worst string of expletives
you can possibly put together, but just the jubilation at
Wrigley just you know, midsummer crowd, which is look, I've
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always called it the best outdoor bar in America.
Speaker 4 (08:29):
There's no question about it.
Speaker 3 (08:31):
When Wrigley Field is going and the Cubs are playing
like playing well like they are right now, there's no
better place for ambiance, and especially.
Speaker 5 (08:40):
In the in the summertime because if I remember correctly,
that was that was a late June or early but man,
maybe it was a late July game, but it was
a summertime game. And the craziest thing about that game
because I've seen the replay before, as you know, worked
many years with Steve Hartman and as a baseball and
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all sports historian and a member of our family here
at Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 6 (09:06):
We've talked about.
Speaker 5 (09:07):
The Samberg game more than just once, but I digress.
I mean that truly may have been the moment that
turned the Cubs eighty four season around and led to
a resurgence. And that was a special time for baseball
because if you remember, I mean, it was embattled, you know,
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player labor action and things like that, but you had
these special moments that really created lifelong fans for fan bases,
like the New York Mets, the Miracle Mets in the
early eighties, this resurgence in eighty four of the Chicago Cubs,
and he was a big part of that. Man, what
a special time to watch baseball, and what an incredible.
Speaker 6 (09:52):
Job by Harry carry on that call.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
Gosh, you have the strike of eighty one, the collusion
issues going on, and c Lee again with Atlanta and Chicago.
Those are the two teams you were always able to
watch on the respective superstations. One that we've talked about
a lot, going back to the Hogan story and the
rise of you know, TNT and the nWo and all
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that fun stuff w CW versus those Monday Night Wars
of wrestling for all those years. But you know, for
me growing up in Chicago, you know, there were three
thousand Cubs fans per White Sox fan and that ratio
is probably even worse today. But all of that across
the nation and baseball fans around the globe know the
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Cubs brand, the lovable losers, who you lose a little
of that once you win a World Series. But certainly
Ryan Samberg one of those best to never right because
for all of his greatness, and we've read off the
accolades before, never got to go play in the In
the Fall Classic, but gave you big moments like this
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here from June twenty third of nineteen eighty four, just
a highlight that everybody that's followed baseball has seen multiple times,
heard the Harry Carey call as we played it there.
And even as you get into Hall of Fame induction
ceremonies and looking back.
Speaker 4 (11:17):
At the past.
Speaker 3 (11:18):
Heroes, you know, there's always those indelible moments that are
etched into the history. And here is another one, and
we celebrate Samberg passed away today long complications with prostate
cancer at the age of sixty five.
Speaker 5 (11:34):
Yeah, yeah, man, I appreciate the battle though, because like
many people, I've had family members succumb to the battle.
I've had a couple overcome it, you know, And man,
you just root hard when you hear that diagnosis, regardless
of what.
Speaker 6 (11:54):
It was in this case. You know, prostate.
Speaker 5 (11:58):
Many times in my own life personally it's been breast cancer,
and you pray for those folks and their families, and
you know it's going to take a lot of will
and a lot of strength. And it did for him,
and like you said, all the way up until last week,
returning calls and letters from people who cared about him.
Speaker 6 (12:18):
Reaching back out. Didn't need to do that, but felt
obliged or honored to. I don't. I don't know him personally,
so I don't know.
Speaker 5 (12:27):
How he felt about it. But either way, I love
what he did for the culture of sports. I love
what he did for kids growing up during that time,
because I think that's often what's lost when we talk
about these.
Speaker 6 (12:43):
Very I don't know.
Speaker 5 (12:44):
I guess adult topics around sports is that this is
for kids. Like I mean, I remember being motivated by
the heroes on the TV, or when my folks could
scrape together enough money to bring me to an arena
or a stadium, the ones that I'm seeing on a
field or a court in front of me, Like that's
what it's all about. And you know that that Ryan Samberg.
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He motivated a lot of young kids out there to
be maybe to feel like they were more than themselves
or be better one day. And you know he will
be missed. So rest in peace to a Cub's great,
no question about it.
Speaker 3 (13:25):
Go back to the eighty four MVP voting. He had
an eight point five war, two hundred hits, nineteen home runs,
eighty four RBI, thirty two stolen bases in a three
to fourteen batting average, just a magnificent, magnificent season in
the beginning of what became a Hall of Fame run
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because he wasn't even a power guy at that point.
We all know the accolades and what he became at
the position. I've long joked here on Fox Sports Radio
outside of Ryan Samberg, go back to a lot of
those National League lineups, and you can bring in Joe Moore,
Gonna and a few other guys, but generally it was
the pitcher couldn't hit, the catcher couldn't hit, and the
second baseman couldn't hit, but in Chicago you had Ryan Samberg.
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Rest in peace, Rhino. Best to the family, friends, supporters,
and long battle for those that are battling out there.
Our thoughts and prayers and love are with you as well,
and good memories. Go watch yourself some Harry Carey highlights
as you listen to us here at Fox Sports Radio.
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you find him on Twitter. Find me over at Swollen Dolm.
Speaker 4 (14:37):
Again.
Speaker 3 (14:37):
Ryan Samberg passes away at the age of sixty five.
Another another piece of that little South Side Chicago upbringing
for me.
Speaker 4 (14:47):
Is gone.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
So we take some heart in that. As you mentioned Rich,
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Coming up next, we turn our attention to the National
Football League. Some contracts, some still unsigned and a big
injury crisis averted or sign of trouble to come. We'll
talk about that as we continue with one of our
most esteemed colleagues here at Fox Sports.
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Welcome back in Fox Sports Radio, Jason Smith Shoe with
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the bug presence and I don't know.
Speaker 5 (16:24):
Well, I will say this, I I I think I
can clean up all right, but man, oh man, if
they start digging in my closet, no no no, no, no, no,
thank you, no thank you.
Speaker 4 (16:35):
Yeah, just what you need? All right?
Speaker 3 (16:37):
How about we got to the hotline now talk a
little old National Football League just a couple of days
away from the Hall of Fame game. Longtime friend of
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how we doing this evening?
Speaker 7 (17:01):
What's going on? Gentlemen, It'll always be Twitter with me.
Speaker 4 (17:05):
Yeah, I refuse to uh till I got that's it.
Speaker 6 (17:09):
Yeah, yeah, same here, it's it's too tough. I mean,
you know, I mean, what were we gonna do?
Speaker 4 (17:14):
Every branding just didn't work quite so well.
Speaker 8 (17:16):
Well, so it's so clunky saying a post on X
when we used to be able to, especially Jason, a
longtime journalist, reporter, man of words, being concise and word
efficiency is so important in your trade.
Speaker 6 (17:32):
Just being able to say it's a tweet was so nice.
Speaker 7 (17:36):
Yeah. Right, No one's ever gonna be like, hey, I
sent you an X or xed you know what I mean?
I want to Rex your X. I mean that would
grow smart. I'd like to retweet your tweet right whatever
to be like I'm going to react your X like
it actually sounds kind of dirty.
Speaker 4 (17:55):
Yeah, just a little bit.
Speaker 3 (17:57):
And that's what we're trying to figure out exactly what's real,
what's imagined in this Christian Wilkins situation there Las Vegas Raiders.
Have you been able to make sense of it? And
how many layers of the onion do we get to
peel back?
Speaker 7 (18:10):
I cannot make sense of it presently. There's obviously hr involved.
There's obviously the Raiders, I guess, kind of navigating this
duality of some air personal politics and an alleged smooths
on the forehead and then this whole idea about his
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rehab and whether you know, he's followed through and everything
he needs to follow through to at least as their
lawyers would see it, you know, not violate his contract, don't.
I don't know where the truth is exactly in all
this and how much of it is ultimately open to interpretation.
(18:57):
I'll say this, whatever, like whatever did or didn't happen there, Like,
if he's healthy and he's able to play football, and
it is you know, at worst, I guess him violating
somebody's personal space a little bit. He's going to have
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no difficulty of finding work, and probably finding work at
a pretty substantial salary. He's a heme football player. He's
not that far removed from the open market where he
did quite well. And the Raiders, like, I you know,
I see a lot of stuff out there and people
are like, oh, well, he's a different Cats this or that. Well,
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like yeah, and the Raiders are different franchise, Like what
the hell are the Raiders? Like what have they done? Right?
Like and if you want to summon that Pete Terrell's
been there for two point five seconds, I mean whatever,
but like, what what have they done? That's credible? Like
what have they done the last thirty years? Right? Like
the most memorable Raiders stuff of the last thirty years
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is like Al Davis pulling out a projector to like
remount Lane Kiffin, Right, It's it's like ridiculous statements. It's
like the Richard Seymour trade. It's it's it's I mean
the Tuck Bowl, but that that really wasn't for that
that's anything maybe they oppose, but like they weren't on
the right side of it, like the idea, you know what,
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I mean, that the raiders are arbitures of truth and reality.
I just don't know, you know, I don't know that
they deserve the benefit of the doubt. So we're going
to have to learn more about this situation. But I
have a hard time thinking again, if it's in the
realm of what is currently in the public spect I
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think Christian Wilkins is going to make out.
Speaker 5 (20:45):
Okay, yeah, I mean I guess, I guess essentially, are
we looking at a mountain or an iceberg?
Speaker 6 (20:53):
You know, do we have the full story? Do we
have this right?
Speaker 7 (20:56):
I don't know?
Speaker 6 (20:58):
Or is there so much more? And like you don't know,
we don't know. And and but one thing.
Speaker 5 (21:03):
All of us here know is that the NFL and gosh,
I mean, like it or not. And I think most
people would find this part of the business somewhat detestable.
I mean, the NFL has housed, you know, men who
were guilty, pled guilty of domestic violences, abuses towards women,
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rape allegations, I mean, like the list, murder allegations. The
list goes on and on and on, and you know,
as long as they're ready for Sunday, Monday, Thursday playoff games,
whatever dates they happen to land on. There's a lot
of fans and people and and spectators who look on
and to be perfectly honest, I'm not above it. I
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do too, you know. I can hold two truths in
my head at the same time. Where I did watch
the Joe Mixon tape, and I also watch him rush
for over a thousand yards a bunch of times over
in the NIEL and I have to admit that I've
been impressed at times Tyreek Hill. I mean, how many
times has he had run ins with the low you know?
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So look, I guess my point is, if the worst
of this story has already been released, Jason, I completely
agree with you. I think he's going to help a
team if he's healthy enough to. But going back to
the Raiders, all the changes they've made in a very competitive,
very difficult division, what do you make of Pete Carroll
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Carroll's opening salvo as a coach in Vegas?
Speaker 6 (22:32):
Do you think this is going to work?
Speaker 7 (22:38):
I don't. I think it's a three year chore, you know,
and I especially in that division. Every coach in that
division is a Hall of Famer every other coach in
that division seems to me to have a franchise quarterback.
Or if you want to say the verdict still out
on Bo Nicks, I'm going to say it's Sean Payton
tells me he's a franchise quarterback. I'm gonna take his
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work for it. But if you're not, I think you
probably will be by the middle of the season. Right,
But he's lacking. He's starting from behind in a couple
of major ways. And it's not like this is you
know the NFC, Yeah, the NFC South or the AFC South,
where he could just parachute in that division and already
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have a level of expertise and acumen and a resume
that seems pretty unimpeachable compared to his peers. That's just
not the case where he finds himself now, you know,
I mean even the whole Tom Brady butt all, like,
is is that necessarily a good thing? Like I've never
seen someone who's an owner or you know, whether he's
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allowed to pretend to be the acting owner or whatever,
who doesn't like kind of pee all down their leg
at first. Like it's just I know, he's been around
professional sports his whole life, and a lot of these
guys whose daddies were billionaires, who were born into it
and were nepo babies, like they never figured out. But
I just think it's different, man, and I don't know
too many who have made that smooth transition. And so
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even if you're going to tell me all, well, he
can protect Mark Davison michaud At, I don't even know
if Tom Brady knows where all the minefields are in
terms of what he's navigating right now. So no, I
think it's it's kind of fought with peril, to be honest,
and Pete Carroll is only going to approach it one way, right,
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It's going to always be about winning this next second,
this next minute, this next series, this next play. I
means he's always kind of been that way, and now
he's very close to the end. And I just don't
know that they sync up with where they are as
a franchise and where he is as a coach, And
so I tend to think the thirty years of Raiders'
futility tells me this is probably going to be pretty futile.
Speaker 3 (24:53):
Jesse, we talked a lot about contracts the last couple
of weeks when you've joined us. A couple of them
still outstand when we look at Henrickson, uh and Micah Parsons.
But let's go to Cowboys camp. They averted a major
catastrophe today with guitting it, but it's still a six
week injury to your left tackle.
Speaker 7 (25:15):
Yeah, and and you worry about, you know, if that's
what he's like on the other side of it, if
there's any you know, if this becomes a situation where
that that knee is robbly, you're unstable. And he's got
a lot to prove to begin with, and him missing
all this these reps is not good. Yeah, I don't
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have good vibes about the Cowboys. I have to follow
the column for the Washington Post on them today. Honestly, Uh,
it's just the same. It's just they're checking all the
boxes they always check, you know, and all that stuff
plays at the box office and it plays on the
TV ratings, but it doesn't it doesn't play in the standings.
You know. They continually take risks on character guys because
they can get him cheaper and Jerry's she's the potential value.
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And you see how many jerseys that guy could sell
if it pans out and this or that, but it
kind of looks like they're collection of individuals, you know,
and like they're perfect frump on this, Like, yeah, they
have enough top side, you know, high end talent that
if they get off to a fast start and they're
able to play with the lead and they can just
attack the quarterback all the time, like that's great. But
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I mean this is a team that was, like I've
seen I mean just looking at them some of the
metrics like if you look at every team in the NFL,
and how many yards they allowed before before contact against
the rush and how few yards they e generated before
contact when they rushed, Like it's staggering from the metrics
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that sound when I dug more into their season, like
they're a bottom five offensive team on first down and
the bottom five defensive team rush down. Like I just
and I mean, where is the roster that much better?
You know? I just they got a forty five million
dollars quarterback make sixty million dollars a year, Like, I
don't think it's it's going to work. The culture's work.
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You got four or five guys who get overpaid and
everybody else has got to beg for scraps. And listen
to Jerry rip them publicly he doesn't think they're playing
up to their contractor rip them for getting hurt, Like,
I don't think that really breeds, you know, camaraderie and
cohesiveness and selflessness. And I look at their schedule, and
I look at a head coach who was probably over
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his head, and I say, I don't think they're going
to be front runners. I think they're gonna be chasing,
and they're gonna be chasing a lot, and they're gonna
be chasing even some teams early on, like maybe the Giant,
who if that defensive front gets off, like they could
muck that game up, that could be an unwe game. Like,
I mean, I don't know. I don't see they're gonna
be out much better running the ball, and I don't
think they can stop the run still, So I got questions,
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you know, like Evra Flues won't give up the big play,
but he gonna try to rein in Mike at all.
I don't buy them. I would play them under seven
and a half wins. Wow, I have played them on
this seven and a half wins. I think it's gonna struggle.
Speaker 6 (28:05):
I love the motto the team model you gave them.
Speaker 5 (28:08):
You know, they're like indelible words that are attached to franchises,
and many of them three three word monikers, you know,
the Patriot Way or the or legion of boom or
why do they move? In the case of the LA Chargers,
I know I'm using a contraction. They're cheated a little bit,
but you but collection of individuals pretty much sums up
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the past quarter century for the Dallas Cowboys. That is
perfectly stated. Jason lockin Ford joining US Fox Sports Radio.
How about the Browns. I've heard everything from Flacco's the
day one starter, to Shador Sanders the best quarterback we've
ever seen in football pads to Kenny Pickett's the guy
but ooh, the injury, we don't know. And then I've
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also heard all three of them are going to be
traded at different points. So who the hell is starting
the season in Cleveland?
Speaker 7 (28:58):
Jason, And I think they're keeping him under the bubble
reps because you know, they've seen what he can do there. Now,
I don't think he's going to be sewing seventy yard
bombs like crazy that Mary Cooper like he did three
years ago, because I don't think they have the offensive
line for it, and they also don't have Pete Nick
Chubb there drawing the kind of attention that he did,
so they've got issues. But no, I think they're keeping
Flaco on the bubble rap because they want to ride
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that as long as they can. But I think even
internally they know trying to ride that more than sixty
eight weeks is probably feeble. So in the meantime, they've
got to get these other guys ready to play. But
facto Flaco speaks the language. Flacco has been existing in
this league for five years now, getting no reps. You
know what I mean. He doesn't need training camp. I
mean how the year he took them to the playoffs,
he came up his couch and what November and practice
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for a week and they're throwing for four hundred yards
every game. So I think they have to figure out
who these other kids are. I think Pickett was going
to be traded and the injury set that back, and so,
you know, is he still traded at some point? I
think probably? But Hammis can be trikey and so really
it's about Gabriel and Sanders and repping them up and again,
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can one of them take the baton week eight, week nine,
week ten, or pickets still there. You write picket for
a little while, but I don't think you ride them
for a whole half season. So it's got to play out.
It just started. But I mean, I think the Browns
probably the last team to win a game in this league,
(30:25):
like if them are the Saints, and when I really
dig down on the schedules, like I think it might
be the Browns. I don't like them in the trenches,
you know, really on I just side of the ball.
The defense can it was you know, great at home
two years ago. Even that year, it wasn't the same
on the road. There's been slippage there, there's been some decay.
(30:50):
I think they're really up against it. And yeah, I
think Flaco starts as long as you can. But I
don't think it's going to be that long because I
think he's going to hear a lot.
Speaker 3 (31:04):
He's Jason Locking for Odyssey, Washington Post. What a five
to seven the fan in Baltimore. Jason as always appreciate
you stopping by. Enjoy the Hall of Fame game. We're
almost there.
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We are almost there and almost there. Have a great night, gentlemen.
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Jason lockeforth see no, I'm conditioned, reconditioning and rebranding all
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Rich Orberger in for Jason Smith. I'm Mike Carmon, thanks
for being with us here Fox Sports Radio Nott stout
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to send it over to the news desk, and a
legend among men, It's Steve de Seger.
Speaker 9 (31:46):
Hello, gentlemen, and the sad news. First stuff that Hall
of Famer Ryan Sandberg passed away at the age of
sixty five. The Cub's second baseman won nine straight Gold
Gloves through nineteen ninety one, was NLMVP of nineteen eighty five.
Or Sandberg had had a relapse with his prostate cancer
last year and it spread to other Organs. The Cubs
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and Brewers were tied for first in the NL Central
to start tonight, Milwaukee at home beat the Cubs eight
to four. The lost to All Star pitcher Matthew Boyd,
who was eleven and three but allowed five runs in
five innings.
Speaker 4 (32:18):
This evening.
Speaker 9 (32:19):
The Braves are had ten to four at Kansas City
and the bottom of the ninth Royals catcher Salvador Perez
left bruce elbow suffered at the plate hit by a pitch,
and Kansas City All Star pitcher Chris Bubich is out
for the year with a strained rotator cuff. The Braves
have lost five.
Speaker 4 (32:35):
In a row.
Speaker 9 (32:35):
Trying to end that, Atlanta acquired pitcher Carlos Carrasco from
the Yankees. The Yanks lost at home to Tampa Bay
four to two, the final for the Rays, who had
lost four straight games. Case you didn't hear. Saturday, Aaron
Judge was placed on the injured list with a strained elbow.
The Dodgers were five two winners at Cincinnati, a Reds
team that had won four stray Reds left bases loaded
(32:57):
in the ninth Shoeo Tani with a two run double
the win to Yoshinobu Yamamoto seven innings, nine strikeouts. Detroit
a five to one winner over Arizona. A Juhenneo Suarez
of the Diamondbacks left hit by a pitch on the hand.
Speaker 4 (33:10):
X Rays were negative.
Speaker 9 (33:11):
Baseball's trade deadline is Thursday, Baltimore beat Toronto eleven to four,
the loss to Chris Bassett, who was eleven and four
this year, but in two and a third gave up
six runs. The Rockies at Cleveland game had a rain
delay at the start of about two and a half hours.
It's now bottom of the sixth. Colorado up three to
nothing on the Guardians. Cleveland closer Emmanuel Class is on
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paid leave after a sports betting investigation. The Red Sox
have taken the lead four to three in the ninth
at the Twins, and they've just gone to a rain
delay before the bottom of the ninth inning. The tarp
is on the field. Angels lead Texas to nothing in
the top of the fifth. No hits for the Rangers,
yet Texas has won six in a row. The Mets
have won seventh straight. They're leading one nothing at San
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Diego in the top of the third, Pirates are ahead
four to three at the Giants top of the third.
Mariners lead at the A's that is won nothing at
the end of two innings. And we do have the
NFL news to pass along that there was an injury
at Dallas Cowboys camp today. Tackle Tyler Geiden was hurt
originally feared to be a torn acl but no did
(34:16):
not tear it, but reportedly will miss four to six weeks.
The Colts gave tackle Bernard Rieman a four year extension.
The Broncos gave wide receiver Courtland Sutton a four year extension.
WNBA wins for Dallas and Seattle. And in women's soccer,
a Copa America semifinal has just ended on FS one.
Columbia eliminates Argentina on penalty kicks. Argentina had been four
(34:40):
to zero in this tournament. Tuesday night semi on FS one,
we'll at Brazil against Uruguay the finalist Saturday.
Speaker 3 (34:46):
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Yes, maybe tag team wrestling.
Speaker 3 (36:04):
I don't know a little bit of everything, but you
know what, well, I mean, they're gotta be sizeable. Maybe
they'll start teaming up and taking you down soon enough.
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Dude, they're large humans. Yeah, I got my work cut
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carrying them through the airport is almost almost a no
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Speaker 3 (36:24):
Yeah, don't skip leg day, baby, that's what it's all about.
Right now, all right, time for the player that day
brought to you by Tyrek. We talked about Ryan Sandberg's
passing to start the show and and for all of
us the love the game of baseball and certainly the
city of Chicago in mourning. They just had the Hall
of Fame induction ceremonies. Plenty of people asked about Ryan
(36:48):
Sandberg wasn't able to be there with his you know,
his Hall teammates for for lack of a better term,
Wade Boggs talking to our own John John Moros, who
joins us each and every week, quote, he's my classmate,
said take care of him, Lord, and started crying as
they spoke about him. But we're gonna go back and
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positive happy memories of one of his highlights. Earlier, we
played the first home run. Now it's time to hear
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Speaker 4 (38:08):
We'll hear more.
Speaker 3 (38:11):
Remembrances of Ryan Sandberg. Circle back to that a little
bit later. I'm seeing highlights and old footage giving me chills,
going back to a childhood running home from school, raiding
the refrigerator and then watching those games. But I got
to ask you, Rich a lot of stuff with training camps.
We've got all the contract hold in hold out trying
(38:32):
to find major dollars.
Speaker 4 (38:34):
Along the way.
Speaker 3 (38:35):
And then every injury report might be the season ender,
might be the career ender. Oh it might just be
a ripped fingernail. But we also have the best of
time worst of times in terms of day to day
fluidity for the quarterback position. We talk about Cleveland and
Shador Sanders. One day he's getting cut, the next day
he's on on path to a Hall of Fame career.
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How am I supposed to read through the beat writers rhetoric.
Speaker 5 (39:02):
Here's the deal. I want everybody to try to remember
what it was like to practice, because it's really difficult.
Like look, practice is not something we often do as adults.
We go to work, we have good work days, we
have bad work days. I guess occasionally you might practice
a conversation you want to have if it's particularly important
(39:24):
with your boss. You might kind of talk to yourself
on the road, you know, while you're white knuckling traffic,
you might review some of the things you might want
to say when you're asking for that race.
Speaker 6 (39:35):
But not a lot of people remember what practice is like.
Speaker 5 (39:38):
But practice you literally try to fail.
Speaker 6 (39:42):
So that you don't fail in the game.
Speaker 5 (39:44):
So when you have failures at practice, those are good
moments because they're learning moments. When you have successes at practice,
they can be good moments, but they also could be
expected moments. So I guess my point is you cannot
fall in love with the results of practice. Yeah, Shador
had a great day today, but guess what, He's gonna
have a rough day tomorrow, or the next day or
the next day. It all comes out in the wash.
(40:07):
It's about getting better and seeing improvement. Is it a
good thing that Shador Sanders has had a good game
or a good day at practice?
Speaker 6 (40:14):
Yes? Is it? Everything doesn't mean he's.
Speaker 5 (40:16):
Gonna be you know, the next elite mobile quarterback taking
over the NFL like Jaden Daniels.
Speaker 6 (40:24):
Probably not.
Speaker 5 (40:25):
You know, it's probably gonna settle somewhere in between. So
I would say, pump your brakes on the heavy expectations
and the heavy breathing you see around Twitter or the
artist formerly known as Twitter now named Ax.
Speaker 3 (40:38):
Yeah, because in Chicago they were gripping the other day
as Ben Johnson and Caleb Williams weren't quite seeing eye
to eye and what he was trying to call and
how it was executed. But day to day you try
to find those wins along the way, and it gives
us more to talk about the great successes and the
great failures. Rich Ohnberger for Jason Smith, not Mike Carbon
coming out next. You know, Rich, if he keeps carrying
(40:59):
his kids through the airport, he might be on the
cover of Men's Health. That would put him in company
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Speaker 4 (01:07):
Welcome in, oh Man.
Speaker 5 (01:09):
Thank you for having me. It's good to be back
in the chair and really nice. Jason's taking a little
time to be with the fan. So let's rock and
roll we are not in any shortage of sports topics tonight,
my friend. This has been a busy weekend, a busy
start to the week. There's a lot going on. We
(01:30):
have preseason football getting started this Thursday.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
Life's good Hall of Fame Induction weekend on the baseball side,
Hall of Fame coming up, the game between the Lions
and the Chargers, all the pomp and circumstance and pageantry
that goes along with that. But we have to start
off once again, as we've done so many times here
in the last couple of weeks. I feel like I'm
(01:54):
getting chipped away at bit by bit here Rich as
we just have you heard and Steve Sager's update the
passing of Ryan Sandberg, Chicago Cub's great go back to
a bunch of magical moments talking with Frostburg about it
right as we're coming on air as children right growing
(02:15):
up in Chicago.
Speaker 4 (02:15):
Look, I was a White Sox fan.
Speaker 3 (02:17):
But one thing that we had, and as a nation,
we had, was afternoon baseball.
Speaker 4 (02:22):
At Wrigley Field.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
Because the lights didn't come in untill nineteen eighty eight,
so all eighty one were home dates were day games,
which meant you'd finish school and you'd get home by
the top of the third and you'd watch Harry Carey
and you grew up watching. You know, for me, this
is you know, the hallmark moment as Samberg became the
(02:46):
everyday guy. Go back to eighty three and into eighty
four when he was really starting to establish himself and
they have that magical run which we'll get to the
ultimate of Sandberg highlights here in a moment, but before
they met, you know, your padres in the faded playoffs
that that year. But all of that to say, uh,
(03:07):
you know, he was just such a staple of everything.
Ten time All Starred, nine time, nine time Gold Gloves.
It's in a row, right. He was a guy that
just dominated at the position. His fielding percentage for his
career nine eighty nine, which is just insane, or seven
times Silver Schlogga, nine time Gold Glove, ten time All Star,
(03:30):
Hall of Fame two thousand and five.
Speaker 6 (03:33):
Die.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
He's long been battling prostate cancer and they'd made an announcement,
you know, a couple of couple of days ago, you know,
kind of backing backing down on some of the responsibilities
and hopes that you know, he was going to be
able to be part of intriment.
Speaker 4 (03:48):
Can you believe this right?
Speaker 7 (03:49):
Me?
Speaker 3 (03:49):
Being the trading card lunatic that I am right. I
follow some of these groups and one of them is
guys that that write letters and use the home address
says or whatever. He was still returning male as of
a week ago, no including little notes, just saying hey,
thanks for the love and support and everything all the
way through. So you know, he's a guy that, as
(04:12):
my brother called it right in an age a week
where we lost hul Cogan, we lost Ozzy Osbourne, my
brother decided to use wrestling parlance related to Ryan Sandberg
as he was the heel of our childhood as White
Sox fans, because you were watching what was going on
over at Wrigley Yeah.
Speaker 5 (04:31):
I mean, look, he's just one of these ballplayers who
I think will always be known for, you know, quiet
leadership and some of his clutch heroics at Wrigley Field especially,
And I think he was part of an error that
really rekindled that hope that sprung eternal every spring for
(04:56):
Cubs fans around that area of the country, Like we know,
cursed franchise for so long.
Speaker 7 (05:02):
What was it?
Speaker 6 (05:02):
All the way up until the twenty sixteen World Series.
Got it in sixteen.
Speaker 4 (05:06):
Yep.
Speaker 5 (05:07):
I mean it's just it's just one of those fan
bases that have been through a ton, but him and
that crew, they they really did something special to the
city of Chicago. And I think you can't mention those
teams without mentioning Harry Carey.
Speaker 6 (05:23):
You know you can't. You don't.
Speaker 5 (05:24):
You don't really have one without the other. And how
many calls was carrying on when Rhino was manning second
base or at the plate. He will be missed, Like
you said, his humility and heroics continued off the baseball
diamond as a member of the community because he he cared.
Speaker 6 (05:49):
He cared about his fans. Yeah, and that's that's.
Speaker 5 (05:52):
Something that not a lot of baseball players, not a
lot of athletes unfortunately do is respond to their fans.
Speaker 6 (05:57):
But he did. That's important.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
Well, we just look, he's also a guy that's on
the list of Hey, I retired but then decided I
was coming back, which would seemed to be a hallmark
there in Chicago as you go through. But certainly you
know with Samberg, he's also a guy that he was
a one team guy right after he came over from
the Phillies. That was it, like there was no pursuing
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greener pastures because they weren't winning. Remember the eighty four
season also marked as we get ready for the trade
deadline when Rick Sutcliffe came over in that trade that
sent you know, Joe Carter and everything like that. That
he comes in and has a monster run and then
they're propelled to that playoff run. But the hallmark game,
(06:42):
which is either known as the Sandberg game or the
Suitor game, depending on where you sit on that fence,
because we get to bring in Harry Carey, the aforementioned
Harry Carey, and let's let's hear his call.
Speaker 4 (07:20):
Road just absolutely gone Baddy all right.
Speaker 3 (07:23):
So this was also an NBC game, So he got
a Bob Costa's call where he goes, is this guy
really Roy Hobbs right, come to life from the natural
kind of thing.
Speaker 4 (07:32):
So he gets suitored twice in the y to tie
it in the ninth.
Speaker 5 (07:38):
Yeah, tied in the ninth, And did he did he
walk it off in the tenth?
Speaker 4 (07:41):
No?
Speaker 3 (07:41):
No, no, So the Cardinals score too that in the tenth.
So June twenty third, nineteen eighty four TV National TV audience,
so you have the NBC telecast as well. So in
win in the ninth, right, he hits the home run,
so it goes nine to nine into the tenth and
he hits the two run home run to make it
(08:02):
an eleven eleven game, and eventually the Cubs win it.
But the reaction from Suitor as he gets them the
second time, full on fist throw and if you can
just go and just imagine the worst string of expletives
you can possibly put together, but just the jubilation at
Wrigley just you know, midsummer crowd, which is look, I've
(08:26):
always called it the best outdoor bar in America.
Speaker 4 (08:29):
There's no question about it.
Speaker 3 (08:31):
When Wrigley Field is going and the Cubs are playing
like playing well like they are right now, there's no
better place for ambiance, and especially.
Speaker 5 (08:40):
In the in the summertime because if I remember correctly,
that was that was a late June or early but man,
maybe it was a late July game, but it was
a summertime game. And the craziest thing about that game
because I've seen the replay before, as you know, worked
many years with Steve Hartman and as a baseball and
(09:01):
all sports historian and a member of our family here
at Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 6 (09:06):
We've talked about.
Speaker 5 (09:07):
The Samberg game more than just once, but I digress.
I mean that truly may have been the moment that
turned the Cubs eighty four season around and led to
a resurgence. And that was a special time for baseball
because if you remember, I mean, it was embattled, you know,
(09:28):
player labor action and things like that, but you had
these special moments that really created lifelong fans for fan bases,
like the New York Mets, the Miracle Mets in the
early eighties, this resurgence in eighty four of the Chicago Cubs,
and he was a big part of that. Man, what
a special time to watch baseball, and what an incredible.
Speaker 6 (09:52):
Job by Harry carry on that call.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
Gosh, you have the strike of eighty one, the collusion
issues going on, and c Lee again with Atlanta and Chicago.
Those are the two teams you were always able to
watch on the respective superstations. One that we've talked about
a lot, going back to the Hogan story and the
rise of you know, TNT and the nWo and all
(10:15):
that fun stuff w CW versus those Monday Night Wars
of wrestling for all those years. But you know, for
me growing up in Chicago, you know, there were three
thousand Cubs fans per White Sox fan and that ratio
is probably even worse today. But all of that across
the nation and baseball fans around the globe know the
(10:37):
Cubs brand, the lovable losers, who you lose a little
of that once you win a World Series. But certainly
Ryan Samberg one of those best to never right because
for all of his greatness, and we've read off the
accolades before, never got to go play in the In
the Fall Classic, but gave you big moments like this
(10:59):
here from June twenty third of nineteen eighty four, just
a highlight that everybody that's followed baseball has seen multiple times,
heard the Harry Carey call as we played it there.
And even as you get into Hall of Fame induction
ceremonies and looking back.
Speaker 4 (11:17):
At the past.
Speaker 3 (11:18):
Heroes, you know, there's always those indelible moments that are
etched into the history. And here is another one, and
we celebrate Samberg passed away today long complications with prostate
cancer at the age of sixty five.
Speaker 5 (11:34):
Yeah, yeah, man, I appreciate the battle though, because like
many people, I've had family members succumb to the battle.
I've had a couple overcome it, you know, And man,
you just root hard when you hear that diagnosis, regardless
of what.
Speaker 6 (11:54):
It was in this case. You know, prostate.
Speaker 5 (11:58):
Many times in my own life personally it's been breast cancer,
and you pray for those folks and their families, and
you know it's going to take a lot of will
and a lot of strength. And it did for him,
and like you said, all the way up until last week,
returning calls and letters from people who cared about him.
Speaker 6 (12:18):
Reaching back out. Didn't need to do that, but felt
obliged or honored to. I don't. I don't know him personally,
so I don't know.
Speaker 5 (12:27):
How he felt about it. But either way, I love
what he did for the culture of sports. I love
what he did for kids growing up during that time,
because I think that's often what's lost when we talk
about these.
Speaker 6 (12:43):
Very I don't know.
Speaker 5 (12:44):
I guess adult topics around sports is that this is
for kids. Like I mean, I remember being motivated by
the heroes on the TV, or when my folks could
scrape together enough money to bring me to an arena
or a stadium, the ones that I'm seeing on a
field or a court in front of me, Like that's
what it's all about. And you know that that Ryan Samberg.
(13:08):
He motivated a lot of young kids out there to
be maybe to feel like they were more than themselves
or be better one day. And you know he will
be missed. So rest in peace to a Cub's great,
no question about it.
Speaker 3 (13:25):
Go back to the eighty four MVP voting. He had
an eight point five war, two hundred hits, nineteen home runs,
eighty four RBI, thirty two stolen bases in a three
to fourteen batting average, just a magnificent, magnificent season in
the beginning of what became a Hall of Fame run
(13:45):
because he wasn't even a power guy at that point.
We all know the accolades and what he became at
the position. I've long joked here on Fox Sports Radio
outside of Ryan Samberg, go back to a lot of
those National League lineups, and you can bring in Joe Moore,
Gonna and a few other guys, but generally it was
the pitcher couldn't hit, the catcher couldn't hit, and the
second baseman couldn't hit, but in Chicago you had Ryan Samberg.
(14:10):
Rest in peace, Rhino. Best to the family, friends, supporters,
and long battle for those that are battling out there.
Our thoughts and prayers and love are with you as well,
and good memories. Go watch yourself some Harry Carey highlights
as you listen to us here at Fox Sports Radio.
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you find him on Twitter. Find me over at Swollen Dolm.
Speaker 4 (14:37):
Again.
Speaker 3 (14:37):
Ryan Samberg passes away at the age of sixty five.
Another another piece of that little South Side Chicago upbringing
for me.
Speaker 4 (14:47):
Is gone.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
So we take some heart in that. As you mentioned Rich,
you know it's a game for kids, and in those
moments we become kids again as we talk about it. Hey,
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Coming up next, we turn our attention to the National
Football League. Some contracts, some still unsigned and a big
injury crisis averted or sign of trouble to come. We'll
talk about that as we continue with one of our
most esteemed colleagues here at Fox Sports.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
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Show with Mike Harmon weekdays at ten pm Eastern, seven
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Speaker 3 (15:56):
Welcome back in Fox Sports Radio, Jason Smith Shoe with
Me Mike Carmon. Know Jason Smith tonight in his stand
our buddy live from San Diego, where he's slowly been
surely taking over the city mayor. Before it's all said
and done. It's our buddy Rich Ornberger. Follow him on Twitter,
Pad Ornberger. You never know, I mean, you might get
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the bug presence and I don't know.
Speaker 5 (16:24):
Well, I will say this, I I I think I
can clean up all right, but man, oh man, if
they start digging in my closet, no no no, no, no, no,
thank you, no thank you.
Speaker 4 (16:35):
Yeah, just what you need? All right?
Speaker 3 (16:37):
How about we got to the hotline now talk a
little old National Football League just a couple of days
away from the Hall of Fame game. Longtime friend of
the show, Honesty Washington Post one oh five seven, The
Fan in Baltimore, the water Bet podcasts our Guy, Jason Lock,
and for at Jason Lock, and for on X slash
Twitter whatever we're calling it today, mister Lock, and for
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how we doing this evening?
Speaker 7 (17:01):
What's going on? Gentlemen, It'll always be Twitter with me.
Speaker 4 (17:05):
Yeah, I refuse to uh till I got that's it.
Speaker 6 (17:09):
Yeah, yeah, same here, it's it's too tough. I mean,
you know, I mean, what were we gonna do?
Speaker 4 (17:14):
Every branding just didn't work quite so well.
Speaker 8 (17:16):
Well, so it's so clunky saying a post on X
when we used to be able to, especially Jason, a
longtime journalist, reporter, man of words, being concise and word
efficiency is so important in your trade.
Speaker 6 (17:32):
Just being able to say it's a tweet was so nice.
Speaker 7 (17:36):
Yeah. Right, No one's ever gonna be like, hey, I
sent you an X or xed you know what I mean?
I want to Rex your X. I mean that would
grow smart. I'd like to retweet your tweet right whatever
to be like I'm going to react your X like
it actually sounds kind of dirty.
Speaker 4 (17:55):
Yeah, just a little bit.
Speaker 3 (17:57):
And that's what we're trying to figure out exactly what's real,
what's imagined in this Christian Wilkins situation there Las Vegas Raiders.
Have you been able to make sense of it? And
how many layers of the onion do we get to
peel back?
Speaker 7 (18:10):
I cannot make sense of it presently. There's obviously hr involved.
There's obviously the Raiders, I guess, kind of navigating this
duality of some air personal politics and an alleged smooths
on the forehead and then this whole idea about his
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rehab and whether you know, he's followed through and everything
he needs to follow through to at least as their
lawyers would see it, you know, not violate his contract, don't.
I don't know where the truth is exactly in all
this and how much of it is ultimately open to interpretation.
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I'll say this, whatever, like whatever did or didn't happen there, Like,
if he's healthy and he's able to play football, and
it is you know, at worst, I guess him violating
somebody's personal space a little bit. He's going to have
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no difficulty of finding work, and probably finding work at
a pretty substantial salary. He's a heme football player. He's
not that far removed from the open market where he
did quite well. And the Raiders, like, I you know,
I see a lot of stuff out there and people
are like, oh, well, he's a different Cats this or that. Well,
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like yeah, and the Raiders are different franchise, Like what
the hell are the Raiders? Like what have they done? Right?
Like and if you want to summon that Pete Terrell's
been there for two point five seconds, I mean whatever,
but like, what what have they done? That's credible? Like
what have they done the last thirty years? Right? Like
the most memorable Raiders stuff of the last thirty years
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is like Al Davis pulling out a projector to like
remount Lane Kiffin, Right, It's it's like ridiculous statements. It's
like the Richard Seymour trade. It's it's it's I mean
the Tuck Bowl, but that that really wasn't for that
that's anything maybe they oppose, but like they weren't on
the right side of it, like the idea, you know what,
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I mean, that the raiders are arbitures of truth and reality.
I just don't know, you know, I don't know that
they deserve the benefit of the doubt. So we're going
to have to learn more about this situation. But I
have a hard time thinking again, if it's in the
realm of what is currently in the public spect I
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think Christian Wilkins is going to make out.
Speaker 5 (20:45):
Okay, yeah, I mean I guess, I guess essentially, are
we looking at a mountain or an iceberg?
Speaker 6 (20:53):
You know, do we have the full story? Do we
have this right?
Speaker 7 (20:56):
I don't know?
Speaker 6 (20:58):
Or is there so much more? And like you don't know,
we don't know. And and but one thing.
Speaker 5 (21:03):
All of us here know is that the NFL and gosh,
I mean, like it or not. And I think most
people would find this part of the business somewhat detestable.
I mean, the NFL has housed, you know, men who
were guilty, pled guilty of domestic violences, abuses towards women,
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rape allegations, I mean, like the list, murder allegations. The
list goes on and on and on, and you know,
as long as they're ready for Sunday, Monday, Thursday playoff games,
whatever dates they happen to land on. There's a lot
of fans and people and and spectators who look on
and to be perfectly honest, I'm not above it. I
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do too, you know. I can hold two truths in
my head at the same time. Where I did watch
the Joe Mixon tape, and I also watch him rush
for over a thousand yards a bunch of times over
in the NIEL and I have to admit that I've
been impressed at times Tyreek Hill. I mean, how many
times has he had run ins with the low you know?
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So look, I guess my point is, if the worst
of this story has already been released, Jason, I completely
agree with you. I think he's going to help a
team if he's healthy enough to. But going back to
the Raiders, all the changes they've made in a very competitive,
very difficult division, what do you make of Pete Carroll
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Carroll's opening salvo as a coach in Vegas?
Speaker 6 (22:32):
Do you think this is going to work?
Speaker 7 (22:38):
I don't. I think it's a three year chore, you know,
and I especially in that division. Every coach in that
division is a Hall of Famer every other coach in
that division seems to me to have a franchise quarterback.
Or if you want to say the verdict still out
on Bo Nicks, I'm going to say it's Sean Payton
tells me he's a franchise quarterback. I'm gonna take his
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work for it. But if you're not, I think you
probably will be by the middle of the season. Right,
But he's lacking. He's starting from behind in a couple
of major ways. And it's not like this is you
know the NFC, Yeah, the NFC South or the AFC South,
where he could just parachute in that division and already
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have a level of expertise and acumen and a resume
that seems pretty unimpeachable compared to his peers. That's just
not the case where he finds himself now, you know,
I mean even the whole Tom Brady butt all, like,
is is that necessarily a good thing? Like I've never
seen someone who's an owner or you know, whether he's
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allowed to pretend to be the acting owner or whatever,
who doesn't like kind of pee all down their leg
at first. Like it's just I know, he's been around
professional sports his whole life, and a lot of these
guys whose daddies were billionaires, who were born into it
and were nepo babies, like they never figured out. But
I just think it's different, man, and I don't know
too many who have made that smooth transition. And so
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even if you're going to tell me all, well, he
can protect Mark Davison michaud At, I don't even know
if Tom Brady knows where all the minefields are in
terms of what he's navigating right now. So no, I
think it's it's kind of fought with peril, to be honest,
and Pete Carroll is only going to approach it one way, right,
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It's going to always be about winning this next second,
this next minute, this next series, this next play. I
means he's always kind of been that way, and now
he's very close to the end. And I just don't
know that they sync up with where they are as
a franchise and where he is as a coach, And
so I tend to think the thirty years of Raiders'
futility tells me this is probably going to be pretty futile.
Speaker 3 (24:53):
Jesse, we talked a lot about contracts the last couple
of weeks when you've joined us. A couple of them
still outstand when we look at Henrickson, uh and Micah Parsons.
But let's go to Cowboys camp. They averted a major
catastrophe today with guitting it, but it's still a six
week injury to your left tackle.
Speaker 7 (25:15):
Yeah, and and you worry about, you know, if that's
what he's like on the other side of it, if
there's any you know, if this becomes a situation where
that that knee is robbly, you're unstable. And he's got
a lot to prove to begin with, and him missing
all this these reps is not good. Yeah, I don't
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have good vibes about the Cowboys. I have to follow
the column for the Washington Post on them today. Honestly, Uh,
it's just the same. It's just they're checking all the
boxes they always check, you know, and all that stuff
plays at the box office and it plays on the
TV ratings, but it doesn't it doesn't play in the standings.
You know. They continually take risks on character guys because
they can get him cheaper and Jerry's she's the potential value.
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And you see how many jerseys that guy could sell
if it pans out and this or that, but it
kind of looks like they're collection of individuals, you know,
and like they're perfect frump on this, Like, yeah, they
have enough top side, you know, high end talent that
if they get off to a fast start and they're
able to play with the lead and they can just
attack the quarterback all the time, like that's great. But
(26:21):
I mean this is a team that was, like I've
seen I mean just looking at them some of the
metrics like if you look at every team in the NFL,
and how many yards they allowed before before contact against
the rush and how few yards they e generated before
contact when they rushed, Like it's staggering from the metrics
(26:42):
that sound when I dug more into their season, like
they're a bottom five offensive team on first down and
the bottom five defensive team rush down. Like I just
and I mean, where is the roster that much better?
You know? I just they got a forty five million
dollars quarterback make sixty million dollars a year, Like, I
don't think it's it's going to work. The culture's work.
(27:05):
You got four or five guys who get overpaid and
everybody else has got to beg for scraps. And listen
to Jerry rip them publicly he doesn't think they're playing
up to their contractor rip them for getting hurt, Like,
I don't think that really breeds, you know, camaraderie and
cohesiveness and selflessness. And I look at their schedule, and
I look at a head coach who was probably over
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his head, and I say, I don't think they're going
to be front runners. I think they're gonna be chasing,
and they're gonna be chasing a lot, and they're gonna
be chasing even some teams early on, like maybe the Giant,
who if that defensive front gets off, like they could
muck that game up, that could be an unwe game. Like,
I mean, I don't know. I don't see they're gonna
be out much better running the ball, and I don't
think they can stop the run still, So I got questions,
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you know, like Evra Flues won't give up the big play,
but he gonna try to rein in Mike at all.
I don't buy them. I would play them under seven
and a half wins. Wow, I have played them on
this seven and a half wins. I think it's gonna struggle.
Speaker 6 (28:05):
I love the motto the team model you gave them.
Speaker 5 (28:08):
You know, they're like indelible words that are attached to franchises,
and many of them three three word monikers, you know,
the Patriot Way or the or legion of boom or
why do they move? In the case of the LA Chargers,
I know I'm using a contraction. They're cheated a little bit,
but you but collection of individuals pretty much sums up
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the past quarter century for the Dallas Cowboys. That is
perfectly stated. Jason lockin Ford joining US Fox Sports Radio.
How about the Browns. I've heard everything from Flacco's the
day one starter, to Shador Sanders the best quarterback we've
ever seen in football pads to Kenny Pickett's the guy
but ooh, the injury, we don't know. And then I've
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also heard all three of them are going to be
traded at different points. So who the hell is starting
the season in Cleveland?
Speaker 7 (28:58):
Jason, And I think they're keeping him under the bubble
reps because you know, they've seen what he can do there. Now,
I don't think he's going to be sewing seventy yard
bombs like crazy that Mary Cooper like he did three
years ago, because I don't think they have the offensive
line for it, and they also don't have Pete Nick
Chubb there drawing the kind of attention that he did,
so they've got issues. But no, I think they're keeping
Flaco on the bubble rap because they want to ride
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that as long as they can. But I think even
internally they know trying to ride that more than sixty
eight weeks is probably feeble. So in the meantime, they've
got to get these other guys ready to play. But
facto Flaco speaks the language. Flacco has been existing in
this league for five years now, getting no reps. You
know what I mean. He doesn't need training camp. I
mean how the year he took them to the playoffs,
he came up his couch and what November and practice
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for a week and they're throwing for four hundred yards
every game. So I think they have to figure out
who these other kids are. I think Pickett was going
to be traded and the injury set that back, and so,
you know, is he still traded at some point? I
think probably? But Hammis can be trikey and so really
it's about Gabriel and Sanders and repping them up and again,
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can one of them take the baton week eight, week nine,
week ten, or pickets still there. You write picket for
a little while, but I don't think you ride them
for a whole half season. So it's got to play out.
It just started. But I mean, I think the Browns
probably the last team to win a game in this league,
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like if them are the Saints, and when I really
dig down on the schedules, like I think it might
be the Browns. I don't like them in the trenches,
you know, really on I just side of the ball.
The defense can it was you know, great at home
two years ago. Even that year, it wasn't the same
on the road. There's been slippage there, there's been some decay.
(30:50):
I think they're really up against it. And yeah, I
think Flaco starts as long as you can. But I
don't think it's going to be that long because I
think he's going to hear a lot.
Speaker 3 (31:04):
He's Jason Locking for Odyssey, Washington Post. What a five
to seven the fan in Baltimore. Jason as always appreciate
you stopping by. Enjoy the Hall of Fame game. We're
almost there.
Speaker 7 (31:17):
We are almost there and almost there. Have a great night, gentlemen.
Speaker 3 (31:20):
Thank you, having me be great buddy all right on
acs AT and Twitter as we originally called it there at.
Jason lockeforth see no, I'm conditioned, reconditioning and rebranding all
the time. Appreciate Jason stopping by. He joins us each
and every week. He's also got his Wanta Bet podcast.
Rich Orberger in for Jason Smith. I'm Mike Carmon, thanks
for being with us here Fox Sports Radio Nott stout
(31:41):
to send it over to the news desk, and a
legend among men, It's Steve de Seger.
Speaker 9 (31:46):
Hello, gentlemen, and the sad news. First stuff that Hall
of Famer Ryan Sandberg passed away at the age of
sixty five. The Cub's second baseman won nine straight Gold
Gloves through nineteen ninety one, was NLMVP of nineteen eighty five.
Or Sandberg had had a relapse with his prostate cancer
last year and it spread to other Organs. The Cubs
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and Brewers were tied for first in the NL Central
to start tonight, Milwaukee at home beat the Cubs eight
to four. The lost to All Star pitcher Matthew Boyd,
who was eleven and three but allowed five runs in
five innings.
Speaker 4 (32:18):
This evening.
Speaker 9 (32:19):
The Braves are had ten to four at Kansas City
and the bottom of the ninth Royals catcher Salvador Perez
left bruce elbow suffered at the plate hit by a pitch,
and Kansas City All Star pitcher Chris Bubich is out
for the year with a strained rotator cuff. The Braves
have lost five.
Speaker 4 (32:35):
In a row.
Speaker 9 (32:35):
Trying to end that, Atlanta acquired pitcher Carlos Carrasco from
the Yankees. The Yanks lost at home to Tampa Bay
four to two, the final for the Rays, who had
lost four straight games. Case you didn't hear. Saturday, Aaron
Judge was placed on the injured list with a strained elbow.
The Dodgers were five two winners at Cincinnati, a Reds
team that had won four stray Reds left bases loaded
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in the ninth Shoeo Tani with a two run double
the win to Yoshinobu Yamamoto seven innings, nine strikeouts. Detroit
a five to one winner over Arizona. A Juhenneo Suarez
of the Diamondbacks left hit by a pitch on the hand.
Speaker 4 (33:10):
X Rays were negative.
Speaker 9 (33:11):
Baseball's trade deadline is Thursday, Baltimore beat Toronto eleven to four,
the loss to Chris Bassett, who was eleven and four
this year, but in two and a third gave up
six runs. The Rockies at Cleveland game had a rain
delay at the start of about two and a half hours.
It's now bottom of the sixth. Colorado up three to
nothing on the Guardians. Cleveland closer Emmanuel Class is on
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paid leave after a sports betting investigation. The Red Sox
have taken the lead four to three in the ninth
at the Twins, and they've just gone to a rain
delay before the bottom of the ninth inning. The tarp
is on the field. Angels lead Texas to nothing in
the top of the fifth. No hits for the Rangers,
yet Texas has won six in a row. The Mets
have won seventh straight. They're leading one nothing at San
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Diego in the top of the third, Pirates are ahead
four to three at the Giants top of the third.
Mariners lead at the A's that is won nothing at
the end of two innings. And we do have the
NFL news to pass along that there was an injury
at Dallas Cowboys camp today. Tackle Tyler Geiden was hurt
originally feared to be a torn acl but no did
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not tear it, but reportedly will miss four to six weeks.
The Colts gave tackle Bernard Rieman a four year extension.
The Broncos gave wide receiver Courtland Sutton a four year extension.
WNBA wins for Dallas and Seattle. And in women's soccer,
a Copa America semifinal has just ended on FS one.
Columbia eliminates Argentina on penalty kicks. Argentina had been four
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to zero in this tournament. Tuesday night semi on FS one,
we'll at Brazil against Uruguay the finalist Saturday.
Speaker 3 (34:46):
Back to you, thanks so much. Steve Disager at the
news desk with us tonight. Hey, your next success can
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Learn more at UMGC dot e DU and coming up next,
on the heels of the question posed in the ponderance
of the Cleveland Browns quarter and back quarterbacking situation, Doctor
Rich is going to explain to us how we're supposed
to assess writers from training camp. Is it the best
of times or the worst of times? Stay with us,
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We're just getting warmed up here.
Speaker 2 (35:24):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Jason Smith
Show with Mike Harmon weekdays at ten pm Eastern, seven
pm Pacific.
Speaker 4 (35:32):
Welcome back in.
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Fox Sports Radio Jason Smith Show with Me Mike Carmon,
No Jason Smith.
Speaker 4 (35:38):
He'll be back later on in the week.
Speaker 3 (35:39):
Tonight, we've got doctor Rich Hornberger live from San Diego
with us here, our.
Speaker 4 (35:43):
Teammate long time in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (35:46):
Part of Countdown on Saturday mornings, getting you ready for
the day's action. Ramping up towards more TV radio and
chaos with San Diego State and his kids now getting
ready to just take over the look cross and football worlds.
Speaker 4 (36:02):
Yes, maybe tag team wrestling.
Speaker 3 (36:04):
I don't know a little bit of everything, but you
know what, well, I mean, they're gotta be sizeable. Maybe
they'll start teaming up and taking you down soon enough.
Speaker 5 (36:13):
Dude, they're large humans. Yeah, I got my work cut
out for me. We were traveling off the weekend and
carrying them through the airport is almost almost a no
go at this point.
Speaker 3 (36:24):
Yeah, don't skip leg day, baby, that's what it's all about.
Right now, all right, time for the player that day
brought to you by Tyrek. We talked about Ryan Sandberg's
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city of Chicago in mourning. They just had the Hall
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Sandberg wasn't able to be there with his you know,
his Hall teammates for for lack of a better term,
Wade Boggs talking to our own John John Moros, who
joins us each and every week, quote, he's my classmate,
said take care of him, Lord, and started crying as
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positive happy memories of one of his highlights. Earlier, we
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Speaker 4 (38:08):
We'll hear more.
Speaker 3 (38:11):
Remembrances of Ryan Sandberg. Circle back to that a little
bit later. I'm seeing highlights and old footage giving me chills,
going back to a childhood running home from school, raiding
the refrigerator and then watching those games. But I got
to ask you, Rich a lot of stuff with training camps.
We've got all the contract hold in hold out trying
(38:32):
to find major dollars.
Speaker 4 (38:34):
Along the way.
Speaker 3 (38:35):
And then every injury report might be the season ender,
might be the career ender. Oh it might just be
a ripped fingernail. But we also have the best of
time worst of times in terms of day to day
fluidity for the quarterback position. We talk about Cleveland and
Shador Sanders. One day he's getting cut, the next day
he's on on path to a Hall of Fame career.
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How am I supposed to read through the beat writers rhetoric.
Speaker 5 (39:02):
Here's the deal. I want everybody to try to remember
what it was like to practice, because it's really difficult.
Like look, practice is not something we often do as adults.
We go to work, we have good work days, we
have bad work days. I guess occasionally you might practice
a conversation you want to have if it's particularly important
(39:24):
with your boss. You might kind of talk to yourself
on the road, you know, while you're white knuckling traffic,
you might review some of the things you might want
to say when you're asking for that race.
Speaker 6 (39:35):
But not a lot of people remember what practice is like.
Speaker 5 (39:38):
But practice you literally try to fail.
Speaker 6 (39:42):
So that you don't fail in the game.
Speaker 5 (39:44):
So when you have failures at practice, those are good
moments because they're learning moments. When you have successes at practice,
they can be good moments, but they also could be
expected moments. So I guess my point is you cannot
fall in love with the results of practice. Yeah, Shador
had a great day today, but guess what, He's gonna
have a rough day tomorrow, or the next day or
the next day. It all comes out in the wash.
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It's about getting better and seeing improvement. Is it a
good thing that Shador Sanders has had a good game
or a good day at practice?
Speaker 6 (40:14):
Yes? Is it? Everything doesn't mean he's.
Speaker 5 (40:16):
Gonna be you know, the next elite mobile quarterback taking
over the NFL like Jaden Daniels.
Speaker 6 (40:24):
Probably not.
Speaker 5 (40:25):
You know, it's probably gonna settle somewhere in between. So
I would say, pump your brakes on the heavy expectations
and the heavy breathing you see around Twitter or the
artist formerly known as Twitter now named Ax.
Speaker 3 (40:38):
Yeah, because in Chicago they were gripping the other day
as Ben Johnson and Caleb Williams weren't quite seeing eye
to eye and what he was trying to call and
how it was executed. But day to day you try
to find those wins along the way, and it gives
us more to talk about the great successes and the
great failures. Rich Ohnberger for Jason Smith, not Mike Carbon
coming out next. You know, Rich, if he keeps carrying
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his kids through the airport, he might be on the
cover of Men's Health. That would put him in company
with a guy who's retold
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