April 12, 2024 • 38 mins
Jason and Mike react to the Feds investigation charging Shohei Ohtani's interpreter with stealing more than $16M. OJ Simpson is dead at 76. And the guys tell you how badly Kentucky has biffed their coaching search.
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Speaker 4 (01:00):
Before I sentence you, Jason L. Smith and you Mike L.
Harmon for your corrupt, evil, haineous, downright villainous crime.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
What kind of crime? What the hell is Haines?
Speaker 4 (01:15):
Now is the time where I highly recommend you two's
show Remorse and apologies to for your monstrous, barbaric actions.
Is there anything you'd like to say to the innocent, faultless,
blameless in the clear, not guilty, honest, law abiding, not guilty, sinless,
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not guilty, righteous?
Speaker 1 (01:42):
Show heyo Tani, how long did you take you to
write that? Well? It was it was not guilty about
seventeen different times. That's all right. He wanted to circle back,
very very emphastius, very heneously. Apparently Hank Haney is involved
in this. His master's weak and it is his time
to shine.
Speaker 5 (02:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
Show heo Tani looks like he didn't gamble, Show how
Tani looks like he got taken advantage of Show how
Tani looks like he had a really bad interpreter. Show
how Tani looks like he had an interpreter who maybe
the worst gambler in the history of the world. There's
(02:28):
still a lot of questions even worse than owing four million. Wait,
I'm sixteen million dollars in debt. No, but that's the
thing though. Let's still go through the money, the amount
of bets and the amount of you know, wins slash losses.
There's still a giant gap beyond sixteen millions. Didn't make
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that much money. I still have lots of questions. You know,
it's like the end of Ocean's eleven, you know, the
it's just ads, you know, hookers, Like what happened to
all that money? I don't understand. Well yeah, yeah, certainly today. Okay,
so you know, I'm like, okay, what are we gonna
(03:10):
We're gonna got oj we got the knicks, we have
the we have the Mets, we have so many things.
But yeah, the Otani story is unbelievably huge. As it
turns out, federal investigators are close to finishing their investigation
into Otani and his role and and Ipe Masuhar, his
former interpreter's role in the gambling scandal that has engulfed
(03:31):
him in Major League Baseball and the federal invent. This
is not baseball invent. This is a baseball investigation. I
would go, yeah, right, whatever, but this is a federal investigation.
And everything we've seen that came out today was Epei
took the money. Epe was the guy. He impersonated Otani
on phone calls a couple of times. I have text messages.
(03:52):
So yeah, I feel I feel pretty I feel pretty
uh confident in saying I don't think this anything's gonna
blow Backani. In fact, I'll tell you this, since it
seems like this is steaming towards a conclusion, right, the
federal investigation is here. Whatever you want to question with
an investigator, there's always gonna be people that say, well,
are they looking into this and looking at what about this?
(04:14):
What about this? Again? This is a federal investigation. This
is not it's it's not the it's not the it's
not their job to say, we got to make sure
baseball is good enough. There was long time corruption and
it involved Otani, and it was easy to prove. Yeah,
they would have it this again, it's not a baseball investigation,
which would just be a couple of questions and it
would be rubber stamped and moved on. I feel pretty
(04:36):
strong in that this is gonna end, and it's gonna
end with Epei Masuhara paying all the the damages and
he's gonna pay the price for whatever his sentence is
gonna be. But you look at all the evidence that
the Feds have, It's like, look, we have wiretaps, we
have text matches, we have him pretending to be Otani,
we have money taken away, and a lot of rich
people will tell you yes. Unfortunately, it's pretty easy to
(04:59):
find people using money when you have a lot of money.
If you have a lot of money, it's easy people
to steal a decent amount of it. See, sixteen millions
is a lot of money. Sixteen million dollars is a
lot of money for you and I for most everybody,
but for a guy making money like Otani. If slowly
someone else is in charge of your money, and and
you don't have a big inner circle that helps you
out with a lot of stuff, Yeah, you can. You
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can misplace, you can lose four eight twelve, sixteen million.
The big thing is the amount of money. You know,
we thought it was four and a half million that
supposedly that IPA took from from show Hey to pay
these gambling that's now it's up to sixteen million. Yeah,
but like I said, sixteen million.
Speaker 6 (05:35):
From the math that came out of this thing, there's
still a.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
Negative forty point six seven eight million dollars in terms
of his what he lost, what he won. The net
loss over forty million, So where's the other twenty four
that's what unless Epe was that but he was that
he was independently wealthy before he started and then then
(06:01):
started siphoning off of show A. So like that man
still doesn't make sense. Can you do gambler rankings and
would he be like worse gamblers? Would he be at
the top? I don't know. He got to gamble nearly
three hundred and twenty million dollars. Yeah, but he lost
it all, well, not all, he lost enough that he's
gonna go to prison. Well that wasn't his no, no, no,
(06:22):
that's his money, Like, it wasn't his money. That's why
he's going to prison. But he still lost it. But
if it was his money, but he doesn't have it,
then everybody would have just gone. He does, but he
doesn't have the money. He doesn't have the money. Yeah,
but again, explain to me he lost it all the
other twe like, there's like he's stole sixteen from him.
He lost it all, So you're telling me he earned
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the other twenty four. Maybe he's siphoned that off of
or he marked number two, which is as yet unnamed.
He won for a little while and then lost it all. Yeah,
legitimately is there marked number two?
Speaker 2 (06:55):
Ready to go?
Speaker 1 (06:56):
Just better? I had victim one victim two, the fact
that at some point this guy saw him out walking
his dog. He could have taken him out. Look, he
probably just kept betting the Mets last year and kept
losing money. The other thing, there's no evidence in baseball.
He's betting college soccer. He's bet three hundred and twenty
million dollars. Yeah, usually people, and it's like there's no
evidence in baseball at all. People aren't lose that kind
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of money back in the Jets. Just I love that
I'm betting on everything. I'm screwing over my best friend,
but I will not ruin the sanctity of Major League Baseball.
But look at everything we've seen, and I look, I'll
tell you because this is reality now, where this is
where what you think of Otani and Epay and everything
going on, the reality is you look at the evidence
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that the Feds have been have have come forth with
and these are a fourth width and it's all implicating Epay.
And it's Epay's own word saying I did it. I'm
gonna probably wind up getting busted for this whatever it is.
That was a great quote too, by the way, like
you stole it. Yeah, technically, technically, technically I kind of
did tech you lack kind of stole the money? Yeah
(08:02):
technically I did. Yeah, Yeah, technically I did. Unlike in
Ocean's thirteen, where yeah, technically they stole the money, but
only because Pacino stole it, you know. And to begin
with Billy Martin, where I get a chance to give
it back? What's this? But seeing how this goes, this
is now getting towards a conclusion where he pays the guy.
(08:24):
He's capone, right, he's the guy. He did all of it,
all the evidence we've seen, all the evidence that has
come out saying this is not Hey, we have circumstantial stuff,
we have texts, we have him on audioce. I mean,
just the fact him impersonating Otani to get money, I mean,
that's insane. He did that. He did that on at
least one phone call. But so how is this gonna end? Now,
(08:46):
this was a scandal that was enveloping baseball, and now
you can see look and and with the federal investigation
focusing on epay, and this is this is what it's
going to wind up being. Baseball is gonna have a
very quick investigation as well. You know Rob Manford, Now,
oh hey, well the Feds just gave me the green
light to do whatever I want. This is gonna be
open and shut, and I guarantee you there's gonna be
(09:07):
nothing for no penalty for Otani. And by the time
we get to the beginning of June, this will be
a forgotten storyline and we won't even pay attention to
it the rest. It won't even be a story the
rest of the year. Yeah, poor Otani, he got taken
by his interpreter, and it's not even gonna be something
we talk about like that. That's how fast this thing
is gonna wind up being solved. This lightning speed apparently. Now, boy,
(09:30):
I wish all cases could be adjudicated like this. Suddenly
we have lightning speed for Otani. Other things are taking
forever and you can you can delay and you always
see on all the TV shows. I'm gonna blind you
with paperwork and a delay tactic. We won't start this
trial till twenty twenty eight. Oh, how can they do this?
But yet this hey, this investigation is going like Gangbusters, man,
So it's gonna end fast. I'm telling you. By the
(09:50):
beginning of May, we won't even talk about We'll get
to the middle part of the season goo boy. Remember
with that gambling scandal beginning of the Amber, that was
a big deal for a couple of weeks and stuff
somebody don't even talk about it. Is it really a
big deal for a couple of weeks. It was a
big deal for about forty eight hours. Then the season
began in earnest and was like, all right, we'll wait
and see and then Tuna within three weeks is done
(10:12):
just that fast. It's going to be done that fast.
Speaker 7 (10:14):
No.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
I love the quote that we alluded to before was
was pretty good.
Speaker 6 (10:19):
It's all bs. Obviously you didn't steal from him. I
understand it's a cover job. I totally get it. Well,
technically I did steal from him. It's all over for me.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
Okay, well it technically if you really want to boil
it down to brass tacks, yes, I did steal from No,
I did steal. He also bought a thousand baseball cards,
reportedly worth three hundred and twenty five thousand dollars. Would
love to see the enumeration of what those were. I mean,
I'm curious on that. I also want to know he
bought a lot of o too. B McDowell, Rookie, Y
(10:53):
have they said he bought a lot of show haze
and a lot of a lot of our man, Juan Soto.
Evidently those are the two guys, and there are some
accounts that are saying, yeah, I actually have receipts from
my eBay account from you know what they said the
handle was. So they're they're going back and bit by
bit that'll be pieced together of which what's the handle
(11:15):
I'm really show hey, trust me, that's the handle?
Speaker 6 (11:18):
Well that was in the show Hey was parenthetical, but
like there's look, in the end they decided it's done.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
I think we're still all think we as reasonable people.
There's still questions and just saying, well, here's a bunch
of athletes, here's a bunch of musicians that watch their
their money go go down the drain.
Speaker 6 (11:39):
There's a couple of things, right. There's institutional like where
it's you just had some bad money management, there's middle
management looking the other way.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
And there's people that are outright thieving from you. This
was outright theft. But you would think, and again this
is my my naivete and evidently Otani's is that with
all that money, there were layers of security. Things other
than I'm able to tell the bank that I'm showing
(12:10):
that everything. Yeah, and there's when nobody else in the
checks and balances when you're filing taxes because apparently, and
this is the deal is why, This is why athletes
and entertained people have a lot of money have a
lot of people working for them, because you get more
checks and balances where you have more Otani circle is
so tight, like it was him and eBay everywhere they went,
(12:31):
and they convinced the the agent. You know, and there's
only a couple of people, it's easier to pull something. Look,
you can always pull scam up. It's always easy to
pull something off the fewer people who know about, fewer
people involved. And is Otani someone that has all the
businessmen that that stars, No, he doesn't. He's got a
very small inner circle. We don't hear a lot about him.
This is why. But this is one of the things
(12:53):
that can happen you trust the wrong person. If there's
three people in charge of your career and one of
them is corrupt, hey guess what, Look what can happen
to you? Like this is why people have more than
I have a I have a banker, I have a
manager of an agent. I have this, I got all
these checks and bounce here because if something happens, somebody's
going to be able to find or say something at
some point when you only have a couple of people,
this is what can happen. By the way, the agent.
(13:14):
He needs to go too though, right because of the brokering,
that conversation with ESPN and all that. Oh, we thought
we could handle this without without show having to know. No,
just let him play the game. He's a big game today.
Bames in Korea worry about don't worry about it. But
I mean, look, but you when you see the US
(13:36):
attorney Martin Estrada say, I want to emphasize this point.
Mister Otani is a victim in this case, and that
there is no evidence Otani had any knowledge of miss
O'Hara's gambling activities use of his bank account. Investigators come
through years of text messages between the two and found
no discussion of gambling. When when when the US attorney
(13:57):
in charge of the case stands up in front of
a lot of camera and says, hey, this is what
we found. This is this is where I say, Okay,
I feel pretty good that they got the right guy.
They did the right thing, because that's this guy's career.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
Don't forget this.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
Guy likes to be US district attorney and say, hey,
because if he winds up screwing it, guess guess who
loses his job? He does, So you know he's got
a lot to lose it. Suddenly, Hey, this is a
broad rush case and we're just gonna say we're finished.
I mean, I feel pretty confident that they found with
him to defind it. But again, it still goes back
to some of the questions this guy made nineteen thousand bets.
He was supposedly his right hand man with him all
(14:32):
the time, and they never discussed Betty, and he knew
nothing in the dude's Betty. And what do you think
of North Carolina and Vanderbilt? You're watching college women soccer?
What do you think of that? I don't know. Vanderbilt, Yes,
can be ten grand on Vanderbilt right there. If he
was talking about twenty four to seven soccer covers, like
all of those things, like those weren't red flats. Oh,
(14:53):
my guy just loves sports. Sports. Sports.
Speaker 4 (14:56):
We're gonna find out that Harmon lost every bid on
those show.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
Hey, cards, the Epech every time I got out the
fraud that guy every single time. But yeah, but watch
watch how this is ending at a frighteningly fast paced
and by the time we get to May, we won't
even remember the story. I remember that happened to me.
We'll forget about it really quickly. Apologize now exit, how
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That was not that great. It was great. The kid
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the vocals on the guitar. Yeah, but was he better
than DeMarcus Ware singing it? No, you don't even know
who DeMarcus Ware is. I do now because of Harmon.
What sport does he play? Baseball?
Speaker 4 (17:30):
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What position does he play?
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we will get to the unbelievable day. It was for
the Knicks and the Mets. I don't know who had
the better day, but obviously today's a day everybody woke
up and saw the same big news. OJ Simpson dies
at the age of seventy six. His family puts out
a statement that he'd been suffering from cancer. This was
(18:28):
an early morning story that I am sure every single
person in the world has talked about. And you know,
the weird thing is this is that my family, my
friends who've known me for so long know that it
just so happened. My heyday at ESPN when I was
in production was all around the OJ trial and we
(18:52):
covered it every day. I worked on it every day
and it was a I mean, it was a story
that dominated the news for well over a year. It
was insane. So I got to see a lot of things. Now,
certainly it was a long time ago, but it's still
a storyline that everybody knows. Like Zoe came home today
from school saying, everbody's talking about O. J. Simpson and
all these things? Yes, yes, yes, And you know, like
(19:13):
like a couple of said, how do you feel like,
what are you gonna talk about? How do you feel like?
What are you gonna say on the show tonight? And
I said, you know, the first thing I'm gonna.
Speaker 4 (19:20):
Say is this.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
My reaction to this is I really I have no reaction.
He was a great football player who got acquitted of
murder of his wife and her friend despite incredible evidence
that showed you that he did. He wrote a book saying,
if I did it, this is how I did it.
Live on the civil judgment, He's dead. That's really that's
(19:44):
really all all I have on it. That's where when
when it comes to him dying, like, Okay, he died,
I don't really have a reaction to it. It's because,
you know why, because there's no there's no positivity, there's
no good that comes out of any of this. We
had a storyline where he was one of America's great personalities,
(20:05):
great football player, had an acting career, broadcasting career, was
in commercials, and then you had the death of his
wife and her friend, and you saw that there's DNA
evidence and there was all kinds of things implicating him,
and it was a slam dunk case and somehow he
wound up getting acquitted, and it's just and what went
(20:27):
on after you saw that he was still that kind
of guy, wound up going to prison for a memorabilia
theft ring theft that that went on that he tried
to steal back stuff of his No good comes of
this story. Nobody gets any peace. You know, there's no
peace for even the Cole Brown Simpson's family, Ronald Goldman's family,
there's no peace for anybody else. There's no piece for
(20:47):
people who years years away go oh wow, what did
the jury do in that situation. There's no there's no
positive you know, he's gone and he's dead and everybody
has their opinions and there's no well there piece here,
there's there's there's some kind of thing. There's nothing. So
when it comes to when it comes to that part
of it, I mean, there's a lot of conversation to
(21:07):
be had about this. When it comes to my reaction,
I was like, boy he died. I was I wasn't
jumping around doing cartwheels. I wasn't sitting around going oh wow,
what a great what what a great football player? He was. No,
it's just because of what happened, Because of this. I
just don't have a reaction when when when something bad
happens and someone goes unpunished for it and they they
die or something, I don't really have a reaction to
(21:29):
it because it's Okay, it happened, and we'll talk about
it today and then we're going to be on to
other things. Yeah.
Speaker 6 (21:35):
For me, it became the discussion of really what that trial,
the chase and everything begat in our society more so
than the case itself. And you know, at the base
of it, you had to savage, inhumane, horrendous losses of life, right,
(22:00):
and a lot of theories of accomplices and all of
those other things. And people can go down into their
true crime prop podcasts and run run them up with that.
Speaker 8 (22:10):
You know.
Speaker 6 (22:11):
My kids both asked me because they saw the headlines,
like what do you remember. I'm like, I remember all
all of this stuff, right, I mean it was and
it's been chronicled. I mean, hell in their timelines the
Shrek to Chase right where he's on he's in human
form and now he's he's on a bronco and they're
chasing him through the woods and whatever, like all of it.
(22:33):
He made it into the cartoons and made it into
so many pieces of pop culture and begat the Kardashians,
which is a whole other sure, sure, whole other thing.
Sure right, whether you like fake asses or not. I
mean you can blame him for that too. David Swimmer
played Robert card Yes he did. Ross played Robert.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
Cardins and Kuba Gooding Junior. Yeah, what's gonna be your strategy.
I'm gonna say we were on a break, you were
on a break, Okay, had to go down that road.
Speaker 6 (23:04):
But like the industry reaction is like and then I
started getting texts like my brothers and other people, and
you know, within minutes, and I said it to you
guys because it was one of the first things that
I thought of. How much every week, no matter what
Norah McDonald was going to use that as his basic
(23:27):
tenet for every weekend update that he did, no matter
what else was going on in the world, it was
going to be.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
All about the trial stilled him well.
Speaker 6 (23:34):
And then eventually and then he had there was an
eleven minute super cut.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
There were all.
Speaker 6 (23:41):
Around, so you know, just the fact that it took
over in so many different ways and all these years later,
there's still all these theories and whatever else, and as
you said, nobody's getting any peace off it, right, you know,
there was no restitution made, no admittance, no trying to
(24:05):
find peace at any of that. They're saying that family
member's friends made their way to visit before he passed,
and whatever it is. I don't I don't know those
family relations. But I've certainly seen a lot more coming
out of people who are under NDA's and their stories
of what they knew about some really horrid, terrible things
(24:28):
that weren't part of this case, right, that weren't part
of the record as related to you know there. So
it's now an ever evolving story because again, anything that
was under those doesn't survive death, right, if we know
anything from our law and orders and all the you know,
(24:48):
even probably watching that David Schwimmer led to vehicle that
you know, it doesn't survive death. So a lot more
of those stories and those realities and the grizz details
will become public and probably you know, anybody that might
have still been on the fence I got. I gotta
guess the preponderance of evidence and the weight is starting
(25:10):
to push the the scale there in one direction.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
I got to tell you two things. The two big
things coming out of this case that I learned. For
the first when I'm in my early to mid twenties
is that the first one I know is that if
you have the better lawyers, even if you don't have
a great case, you can still beat the other team
if they don't have as good as you, Sawney, if
they had contacted me first, that probably would have been
(25:35):
on the other side. Yeah, I mean, when you have
the better lawyers, because like the famous quote from Robert Shapiro,
not only did we play the race card to try
to win this, but we dealt it from the bottom
of the death right.
Speaker 4 (25:45):
And timpering with the crime scena also help well.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
Well, that that get that gets the big part of
it is that I realized too, you think I realized
that the better lawyers can win even if they don't
have the they don't have the facts, if they don't
have they don't have the case, they can still win.
And that a jury can decide whatever they want to
regardless as to what they see. Sure, because look, you
you think about now that the two biggest and one
thing I remember, you know, back in that case covering
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it every day is how big a deal they spent
on the DNA evidence. This is ninety nine and forty
four one hundreds per This is we felt his DNA
is here in this book. But the science was so
new it was easy for the defense. Evan, we're supposed
to believe this, none of us really understand Whereas no
matter what the case was now, if this case happened now,
(26:31):
no matter what you felt about about OJ Simpson, everything
else would be be impossible to let the guy go
because the forensic evidence is indisputable. Right, this We solve
cold cases now from forty years ago because of DNA evidence,
but because it was so new then it was able
to be discounted by the jury and don't put And
this is something that's weird because I had just moved
to LA when this was going on, And when I
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think about the jury not convicting O. J. Simpson, I
feel like a lot of it had to do with
what did we just see a couple of years before
was the Rodney King verdict? Right, which was awful?
Speaker 4 (27:05):
Right?
Speaker 1 (27:05):
You watched Rodney King get beaten to a pulp by
a bunch of bad cops, and what happens they all
wind up getting acquitted, and the riots across the city
were insane. So you know that's in the back of
jurors minds and people's minds. Hey, whatever this result is
gonna be, are we gonna wind up seeing are we
gonna see suff? We're gonna see it? And so I wonder,
and this is this, This is me playing amateur psychology
(27:26):
thinking about the jury seeing all this evidence and still
acquitting O. J. Simpson. Is that I wonder how much
in their mind was boy, our city, we don't want
this city to have this happen again. And but boy,
there's really nowhere to go. How can we let him go?
How can we not convict him? Because look at this
preponderance and evidence, and then the Mark Furman stuff came out,
and then that's when Roberts I dealt the race card
(27:48):
from the bottom of the deck and you see Mark
Furman and everything that went bad, and how and how
bad that was, and how bad they screwed up, and
we mistrust mistrust. You had a lot of racial mistrust there,
and that's where I think the juror was able to say, Okay,
you've given it to us, You've given us the out
for us to not convict O J. Simpson of this
and and and and have it on the heels of
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what happened to Rodney King. Obviously two different cases, but
you're talking about a city that burned and then is
this gonna happen again? Because suddenly how big a deal
that was? But the Mark Furman stuff, I think that
was for the jury. That was where they say, okay,
now you've given us an okay out for us to say, yeah,
we can acquit him, because the other stuff was all comical.
We can't fit the You're gonna let him try the
glove on and pretend that he can't put it on. Really, like,
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what kind of lawyers? I mean? You look at like
Marsha Cross and Marcia Cross Garden. If I was talking
about Melrose Place, it would be markin well it is, yes,
but she's not. He's not attached as it yet as
I sit here and go, how are you you missed?
You blew the biggest slam dunk case in the history
of of of law, and and you're writing books and
being famous about this, like how did you allow all
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these things to happen? And it's like they never thought
they were gonna lose, But once once that happened, once
Mark Furman came out and you saw all the racism
that was out that, you saw everything else, and then
you knew, Okay, that's what it's gonna that's how that's
how it's going to be, because that was just all
that was such an awful look for the l A
p D and everything else, and you cringe thinking that, boy,
(29:14):
this is this, this is These are the institutions that
we expect to protect us. And these are the last
two openings we have gotten into what's going on here.
And and you know, I think that was a big
part of why OJ was able to go for you.
No matter what you see, you know, jurors are gonna say, Okay, no,
this is what I choose to believe. This is what
I choose to believe the most, what I choose to
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believe here, And that's why he was not guilty. But
all that being said, if this trial happened now that
DNA evidence, it would be what can we do? We
have the we have, we have the evidence from his
car into her house, we got a bloody footprint, we
had all these different things. And because it was screwed
up so much and Shapiro put that on display. This
is why we had the outcome we did. No, this
is it. You know, you go back and talk about
(29:56):
the all star defense squad that you put together. It's
been well chronicled, and you know, the the television dramas
and so many other breakdowns. It begat all of these
law shows right where you had, well, let's bring in
our expert to talk about what we heard. Court TV
and everything else flows out of it. Uh and it
became a cottage industry. But I remember, you know, being
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in Chicago and it was everything everybody was talking about,
but expecting with the same trepidation as you had here
in La of well, what happens, what happens when the
verdict gets red? Ye calls from I remember my mom,
it's like, just make sure you're home, just don't don't
(30:39):
be out whatever, like just fear that the city would
be engulfed in flames. And you know we saw it.
How many times did we chronicle it a couple of
years ago here on air at Fox Sports Radio as
cities burned across America. You know, it's it's something that
you know, you don't forget seeing that, and certainly in
La that was so recent where a lot of that
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stuff hadn't even been close to being rebuilt at that point.
Speaker 5 (31:05):
The most popular Halloween mass this year is OJ Simpson,
and the most popular Halloween greeting is I'll.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
Kill you, nor McDonald done making a cottage industry out
of that? Or tree?
Speaker 4 (31:17):
Who?
Speaker 1 (31:18):
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will have more on OJ coming up straight ahead. It
looks like we may have an answer as to who
the next head coach of Kentucky might be. OJ is
not going to be the next head coach of Kentucky. No,
but he did it. He is not. That's coming up
next right here, Jason and Mike Fox.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
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Speaker 1 (31:49):
Well you know me, Mike Harmon, I hate to say
I told you so. Welcome to your life. The Jason
Smith Show with Mike Harmon. We got more on OJ
coming up in a few minutes. But it yes, but
it looks like Kentucky has zeroed in on who their
next head coach is. Going to be after today we
find out Scott Drew said thanks, but no thanks, I'm
(32:11):
gonna stay at Baylor. They are well, I'll tell you what.
I'm sure he went to La Casita for lunch yesterday
and whatever the dude that was in the bank at
a check dump drug full of money instead of here,
we're all good, you're staying right. Okay, this is now
your casino. Here are the keys. Uh, it looks like
(32:32):
their man is BYU head coach. No, Mark Pope. Close
close Mark Pope. So TJ. If we see white smoke
come up out of Kentucky, will know that Pope is
the new head coach.
Speaker 8 (32:46):
Tj.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
Uh, just for a second, because this is what we
talked about this the other night. I don't know. I
don't know how it makes me think I know how
to run a coaching search better than Kentucky and Mitch
Barnhart the ad. But you go from all the best
top guys say no, after the one guy you really
want says no. Then you go to Danny Hurley and
(33:08):
say hey, maybe, and he says no. Screw the guy.
The guy has said. The guy just went back to
back national titles and he's not the first guy you ask,
I would say no, just because you asked me. Second.
Not that I think he's a great fit in Kentucky,
because yeah, boy, the guy can be a bit abrasive,
but it works if you come. But you're gonna ask
him second. Really, But I think I think they had
to go back to him after he made it very
(33:29):
public of you know how much he liked it when
he was asked the question, right, they didn't say it specifically,
but talking about the landscape and looking out there, and
he said, you know, you got to talk to my wife, right,
made it so it's like, well, we got it. We
gotta make that phone call now that at least the
story's at at least call the way he said that.
I don't know. He's answering questions Monday night after they
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won the national championship and they go, yeah, you're the
third guy. We're gonna do. Worry Danny, we'll get to you.
Come on, how you had check the box? You're stubby.
I could run a better, a better search than this.
So now you're down to Mark Pope, right, who has
not because you're upset that John Calipari has not been
taking you far enough from the NCAA tournament. So you're
gonna replace him with a guy who's never won an
(34:13):
NCAA tournament game as a head coach. Well, if he
got his first to Kentucky. But just think about that
for a second. You're upset to the guy that's won
a national championship and been to Final four. It's not
taking you far enough. So you're gonna replace him with
a guy who has not won an NCAA tournament game
as a head coach. Yeah, that's that. Just think of
(34:33):
Let that sink in. He's never lost more than fifteen
games in a season at BYU. Oh good, so when
they go sixteen and fifteen next year, they'll be okay,
a couple of eleven loss so seasons in there, but
you know, let win. Let that sink in, because this
goes back to what did we say the other night.
I get that you're frustrated with Cali Perry and wild
Cat Nation. We need somebody new. Maybe if we get
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somebody new to come in, the nil purse strings will
open up again. He's run its course. And you know
they were okay with him leaving for Arkansas because they
put up no fight and it was yes, we're ready
to move on. But I go back to this and
I say, who are you gonna get that's better than
Cali Perry? Who are you gonna get? Tell me the
guy out there that not only is gonna continue to
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win in the SEC but get you to final force.
Cali Perry's not that guy anymore. Who's the guy out
there better?
Speaker 4 (35:21):
Fran Brown?
Speaker 1 (35:22):
You're now going stop. He's gonna be coaching in the
playoff next year for Syracuse and when Syracuse plays Ohio
State for the national title, we'll talk to him about it.
Then you're going for a guy again who's never won
an nca tournament game that you're expecting to build up. Now,
he built a great program at Byu'm not saying he hasn't.
He's built a pretty good program there, But you're talking
about we need a guy elite to get us to
final fours, and a guy that's not not final four,
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not to be sixteen, hasn't won again. He's the guy.
You have biffed this from the beginning, because yes, you're
ready to push him out, but who was the guy?
You need to say? If we're pushing Cali Perry out,
our next guy is ready to come in and this
is the danger. This is what happens to programs and
how they wind up circling the drain and a once
proud Kentucky team, which is the number one job in
(36:05):
college basketball. This is how you turn into an eighteen
and fifteen team going to the n and you go,
what happened to us? We're Kentucky basketball. This is how
it happens. This is how it happens. You know how
you fix this? How do you fix it? You hit
the music.
Speaker 5 (36:21):
Here he is, ladies and gentlemen, welcome back, all time great,
one of the greatest coaches we've ever seen in the
collegiate ranks.
Speaker 1 (36:32):
Ladies and gentlemen, it's Rick Potato. N Come on, come on, hey, man,
if Russell Maania can bring back Cina and the Undertaker,
no knock now, we can turn back the clock and
bring back Potato. He got the job with Iona and
he said that was his last job. And then he
left and went to Saint John's and now Saint John's's
last job. He's not going anywhere. You can't get him
(36:55):
out of Saint John's again to Kentucky. Come on, man,
Iota was his last job. I'm not going anywhere. I
remember vividly when he said that at the press conference,
You're not gonna get especially after he said that's my
last job that I'm leaving for Saint John's. He's not
gonna leave again. You can't do that. No, not at all,
not at all. I mean, look, we at least would
(37:15):
have some tournament experience. But this is how a program
goes from elite to what did we do? Because this
is how you turn into eighteen and fourteen seasons? Who
are you gonna get? Right? Mark Pope's a guy better
than get He's gonna get you better and further than
John Caliparry. Just what I'm what, I'm just what I'm getting.
I'm guessing these are the guys. This is where if
you knew he was gonna go, you had to have
(37:36):
your next guy set up to say, no, we got it,
and this is our Okay, Hey, this is a guy
that handles an il, handles, knows what it's like for
the sec all of these things. They biff this so bad. Well,
but here's the other problem is that you waited until
the cycle had already gone through. A lot of these
guys had already moved right. We'd seen a lot of
coaching movement. We certainly saw it on the football side,
but on the basketball side, guys were already gone, already
(37:57):
in their own version of the portal. So what's left.
I'll tell that man, the white smoke of the Pope.
I could I could have run this better. I really
could have. You don't coming back.
Speaker 8 (38:10):
No.
Speaker 1 (38:10):
I even had his entrance music and everything. Yeah, but
he's the one guy whose name has been out there
they have not talked to, so you know they don't
want to talk to you. A lot more than this,
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Before I sentence you, Jason L. Smith and you Mike L.
Harmon for your corrupt, evil, haineous, downright villainous crime.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
What kind of crime? What the hell is Haines?
Speaker 4 (01:15):
Now is the time where I highly recommend you two's
show Remorse and apologies to for your monstrous, barbaric actions.
Is there anything you'd like to say to the innocent, faultless,
blameless in the clear, not guilty, honest, law abiding, not guilty, sinless,
(01:40):
not guilty, righteous?
Speaker 1 (01:42):
Show heyo Tani, how long did you take you to
write that? Well? It was it was not guilty about
seventeen different times. That's all right. He wanted to circle back,
very very emphastius, very heneously. Apparently Hank Haney is involved
in this. His master's weak and it is his time
to shine.
Speaker 5 (02:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
Show heo Tani looks like he didn't gamble, Show how
Tani looks like he got taken advantage of Show how
Tani looks like he had a really bad interpreter. Show
how Tani looks like he had an interpreter who maybe
the worst gambler in the history of the world. There's
(02:28):
still a lot of questions even worse than owing four million. Wait,
I'm sixteen million dollars in debt. No, but that's the
thing though. Let's still go through the money, the amount
of bets and the amount of you know, wins slash losses.
There's still a giant gap beyond sixteen millions. Didn't make
(02:49):
that much money. I still have lots of questions. You know,
it's like the end of Ocean's eleven, you know, the
it's just ads, you know, hookers, Like what happened to
all that money? I don't understand. Well yeah, yeah, certainly today. Okay,
so you know, I'm like, okay, what are we gonna
(03:10):
We're gonna got oj we got the knicks, we have
the we have the Mets, we have so many things.
But yeah, the Otani story is unbelievably huge. As it
turns out, federal investigators are close to finishing their investigation
into Otani and his role and and Ipe Masuhar, his
former interpreter's role in the gambling scandal that has engulfed
(03:31):
him in Major League Baseball and the federal invent. This
is not baseball invent. This is a baseball investigation. I
would go, yeah, right, whatever, but this is a federal investigation.
And everything we've seen that came out today was Epei
took the money. Epe was the guy. He impersonated Otani
on phone calls a couple of times. I have text messages.
(03:52):
So yeah, I feel I feel pretty I feel pretty
uh confident in saying I don't think this anything's gonna
blow Backani. In fact, I'll tell you this, since it
seems like this is steaming towards a conclusion, right, the
federal investigation is here. Whatever you want to question with
an investigator, there's always gonna be people that say, well,
are they looking into this and looking at what about this?
(04:14):
What about this? Again? This is a federal investigation. This
is not it's it's not the it's not the it's
not their job to say, we got to make sure
baseball is good enough. There was long time corruption and
it involved Otani, and it was easy to prove. Yeah,
they would have it this again, it's not a baseball investigation,
which would just be a couple of questions and it
would be rubber stamped and moved on. I feel pretty
(04:36):
strong in that this is gonna end, and it's gonna
end with Epei Masuhara paying all the the damages and
he's gonna pay the price for whatever his sentence is
gonna be. But you look at all the evidence that
the Feds have, It's like, look, we have wiretaps, we
have text matches, we have him pretending to be Otani,
we have money taken away, and a lot of rich
people will tell you yes. Unfortunately, it's pretty easy to
(04:59):
find people using money when you have a lot of money.
If you have a lot of money, it's easy people
to steal a decent amount of it. See, sixteen millions
is a lot of money. Sixteen million dollars is a
lot of money for you and I for most everybody,
but for a guy making money like Otani. If slowly
someone else is in charge of your money, and and
you don't have a big inner circle that helps you
out with a lot of stuff, Yeah, you can. You
(05:20):
can misplace, you can lose four eight twelve, sixteen million.
The big thing is the amount of money. You know,
we thought it was four and a half million that
supposedly that IPA took from from show Hey to pay
these gambling that's now it's up to sixteen million. Yeah,
but like I said, sixteen million.
Speaker 6 (05:35):
From the math that came out of this thing, there's
still a.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
Negative forty point six seven eight million dollars in terms
of his what he lost, what he won. The net
loss over forty million, So where's the other twenty four
that's what unless Epe was that but he was that
he was independently wealthy before he started and then then
(06:01):
started siphoning off of show A. So like that man
still doesn't make sense. Can you do gambler rankings and
would he be like worse gamblers? Would he be at
the top? I don't know. He got to gamble nearly
three hundred and twenty million dollars. Yeah, but he lost
it all, well, not all, he lost enough that he's
gonna go to prison. Well that wasn't his no, no, no,
(06:22):
that's his money, Like, it wasn't his money. That's why
he's going to prison. But he still lost it. But
if it was his money, but he doesn't have it,
then everybody would have just gone. He does, but he
doesn't have the money. He doesn't have the money. Yeah,
but again, explain to me he lost it all the
other twe like, there's like he's stole sixteen from him.
He lost it all, So you're telling me he earned
(06:43):
the other twenty four. Maybe he's siphoned that off of
or he marked number two, which is as yet unnamed.
He won for a little while and then lost it all. Yeah,
legitimately is there marked number two?
Speaker 2 (06:55):
Ready to go?
Speaker 1 (06:56):
Just better? I had victim one victim two, the fact
that at some point this guy saw him out walking
his dog. He could have taken him out. Look, he
probably just kept betting the Mets last year and kept
losing money. The other thing, there's no evidence in baseball.
He's betting college soccer. He's bet three hundred and twenty
million dollars. Yeah, usually people, and it's like there's no
evidence in baseball at all. People aren't lose that kind
(07:19):
of money back in the Jets. Just I love that
I'm betting on everything. I'm screwing over my best friend,
but I will not ruin the sanctity of Major League Baseball.
But look at everything we've seen, and I look, I'll
tell you because this is reality now, where this is
where what you think of Otani and Epay and everything
going on, the reality is you look at the evidence
(07:40):
that the Feds have been have have come forth with
and these are a fourth width and it's all implicating Epay.
And it's Epay's own word saying I did it. I'm
gonna probably wind up getting busted for this whatever it is.
That was a great quote too, by the way, like
you stole it. Yeah, technically, technically, technically I kind of
did tech you lack kind of stole the money? Yeah
(08:02):
technically I did. Yeah, Yeah, technically I did. Unlike in
Ocean's thirteen, where yeah, technically they stole the money, but
only because Pacino stole it, you know. And to begin
with Billy Martin, where I get a chance to give
it back? What's this? But seeing how this goes, this
is now getting towards a conclusion where he pays the guy.
(08:24):
He's capone, right, he's the guy. He did all of it,
all the evidence we've seen, all the evidence that has
come out saying this is not Hey, we have circumstantial stuff,
we have texts, we have him on audioce. I mean,
just the fact him impersonating Otani to get money, I mean,
that's insane. He did that. He did that on at
least one phone call. But so how is this gonna end? Now,
(08:46):
this was a scandal that was enveloping baseball, and now
you can see look and and with the federal investigation
focusing on epay, and this is this is what it's
going to wind up being. Baseball is gonna have a
very quick investigation as well. You know Rob Manford, Now,
oh hey, well the Feds just gave me the green
light to do whatever I want. This is gonna be
open and shut, and I guarantee you there's gonna be
(09:07):
nothing for no penalty for Otani. And by the time
we get to the beginning of June, this will be
a forgotten storyline and we won't even pay attention to
it the rest. It won't even be a story the
rest of the year. Yeah, poor Otani, he got taken
by his interpreter, and it's not even gonna be something
we talk about like that. That's how fast this thing
is gonna wind up being solved. This lightning speed apparently. Now, boy,
(09:30):
I wish all cases could be adjudicated like this. Suddenly
we have lightning speed for Otani. Other things are taking
forever and you can you can delay and you always
see on all the TV shows. I'm gonna blind you
with paperwork and a delay tactic. We won't start this
trial till twenty twenty eight. Oh, how can they do this?
But yet this hey, this investigation is going like Gangbusters, man,
So it's gonna end fast. I'm telling you. By the
(09:50):
beginning of May, we won't even talk about We'll get
to the middle part of the season goo boy. Remember
with that gambling scandal beginning of the Amber, that was
a big deal for a couple of weeks and stuff
somebody don't even talk about it. Is it really a
big deal for a couple of weeks. It was a
big deal for about forty eight hours. Then the season
began in earnest and was like, all right, we'll wait
and see and then Tuna within three weeks is done
(10:12):
just that fast. It's going to be done that fast.
Speaker 7 (10:14):
No.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
I love the quote that we alluded to before was
was pretty good.
Speaker 6 (10:19):
It's all bs. Obviously you didn't steal from him. I
understand it's a cover job. I totally get it. Well,
technically I did steal from him. It's all over for me.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
Okay, well it technically if you really want to boil
it down to brass tacks, yes, I did steal from No,
I did steal. He also bought a thousand baseball cards,
reportedly worth three hundred and twenty five thousand dollars. Would
love to see the enumeration of what those were. I mean,
I'm curious on that. I also want to know he
bought a lot of o too. B McDowell, Rookie, Y
(10:53):
have they said he bought a lot of show haze
and a lot of a lot of our man, Juan Soto.
Evidently those are the two guys, and there are some
accounts that are saying, yeah, I actually have receipts from
my eBay account from you know what they said the
handle was. So they're they're going back and bit by
bit that'll be pieced together of which what's the handle
(11:15):
I'm really show hey, trust me, that's the handle?
Speaker 6 (11:18):
Well that was in the show Hey was parenthetical, but
like there's look, in the end they decided it's done.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
I think we're still all think we as reasonable people.
There's still questions and just saying, well, here's a bunch
of athletes, here's a bunch of musicians that watch their
their money go go down the drain.
Speaker 6 (11:39):
There's a couple of things, right. There's institutional like where
it's you just had some bad money management, there's middle
management looking the other way.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
And there's people that are outright thieving from you. This
was outright theft. But you would think, and again this
is my my naivete and evidently Otani's is that with
all that money, there were layers of security. Things other
than I'm able to tell the bank that I'm showing
(12:10):
that everything. Yeah, and there's when nobody else in the
checks and balances when you're filing taxes because apparently, and
this is the deal is why, This is why athletes
and entertained people have a lot of money have a
lot of people working for them, because you get more
checks and balances where you have more Otani circle is
so tight, like it was him and eBay everywhere they went,
(12:31):
and they convinced the the agent. You know, and there's
only a couple of people, it's easier to pull something. Look,
you can always pull scam up. It's always easy to
pull something off the fewer people who know about, fewer
people involved. And is Otani someone that has all the
businessmen that that stars, No, he doesn't. He's got a
very small inner circle. We don't hear a lot about him.
This is why. But this is one of the things
(12:53):
that can happen you trust the wrong person. If there's
three people in charge of your career and one of
them is corrupt, hey guess what, Look what can happen
to you? Like this is why people have more than
I have a I have a banker, I have a
manager of an agent. I have this, I got all
these checks and bounce here because if something happens, somebody's
going to be able to find or say something at
some point when you only have a couple of people,
this is what can happen. By the way, the agent.
(13:14):
He needs to go too though, right because of the brokering,
that conversation with ESPN and all that. Oh, we thought
we could handle this without without show having to know. No,
just let him play the game. He's a big game today.
Bames in Korea worry about don't worry about it. But
I mean, look, but you when you see the US
(13:36):
attorney Martin Estrada say, I want to emphasize this point.
Mister Otani is a victim in this case, and that
there is no evidence Otani had any knowledge of miss
O'Hara's gambling activities use of his bank account. Investigators come
through years of text messages between the two and found
no discussion of gambling. When when when the US attorney
(13:57):
in charge of the case stands up in front of
a lot of camera and says, hey, this is what
we found. This is this is where I say, Okay,
I feel pretty good that they got the right guy.
They did the right thing, because that's this guy's career.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
Don't forget this.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
Guy likes to be US district attorney and say, hey,
because if he winds up screwing it, guess guess who
loses his job? He does, So you know he's got
a lot to lose it. Suddenly, Hey, this is a
broad rush case and we're just gonna say we're finished.
I mean, I feel pretty confident that they found with
him to defind it. But again, it still goes back
to some of the questions this guy made nineteen thousand bets.
He was supposedly his right hand man with him all
(14:32):
the time, and they never discussed Betty, and he knew
nothing in the dude's Betty. And what do you think
of North Carolina and Vanderbilt? You're watching college women soccer?
What do you think of that? I don't know. Vanderbilt, Yes,
can be ten grand on Vanderbilt right there. If he
was talking about twenty four to seven soccer covers, like
all of those things, like those weren't red flats. Oh,
(14:53):
my guy just loves sports. Sports. Sports.
Speaker 4 (14:56):
We're gonna find out that Harmon lost every bid on
those show.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
Hey, cards, the Epech every time I got out the
fraud that guy every single time. But yeah, but watch
watch how this is ending at a frighteningly fast paced
and by the time we get to May, we won't
even remember the story. I remember that happened to me.
We'll forget about it really quickly. Apologize now exit, how
about a fresca exit swallen Dome. All Rise. The Jason
(15:21):
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So yeah, we'll have more on show, hey, and this
big developing story coming up. But straight ahead, yeah, we'll
get into what happened today. O. J. Simpson dying at
the age of seventy six, and oh boy, do we
have a conversation that's next right here Jason and Mike Fox.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
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Stop. This is a great song. Although I gotta be
honest with you. The acoustic version that they is as
good as this song is. The acoustic version that Dave
Grohl did of this I think it was on Howard
Stern like fifteen years ago, is incredibly insanely good. I
don't know. You said that aversion Fears one was good.
That was not that great. It was great. The kid
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played all the The kid played all the instruments and
the vocals on the guitar. Yeah, but was he better
than DeMarcus Ware singing it? No, you don't even know
who DeMarcus Ware is. I do now because of Harmon.
What sport does he play? Baseball?
Speaker 4 (17:30):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (17:30):
It's very good. And right now, what team was he
played for? Cowboys? Yes? Very good? Yeah, yeah, yeah, very good.
What position does he play?
Speaker 8 (17:38):
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we will get to the unbelievable day. It was for
the Knicks and the Mets. I don't know who had
the better day, but obviously today's a day everybody woke
up and saw the same big news. OJ Simpson dies
at the age of seventy six. His family puts out
a statement that he'd been suffering from cancer. This was
(18:28):
an early morning story that I am sure every single
person in the world has talked about. And you know,
the weird thing is this is that my family, my
friends who've known me for so long know that it
just so happened. My heyday at ESPN when I was
in production was all around the OJ trial and we
(18:52):
covered it every day. I worked on it every day
and it was a I mean, it was a story
that dominated the news for well over a year. It
was insane. So I got to see a lot of things. Now,
certainly it was a long time ago, but it's still
a storyline that everybody knows. Like Zoe came home today
from school saying, everbody's talking about O. J. Simpson and
all these things? Yes, yes, yes, And you know, like
(19:13):
like a couple of said, how do you feel like,
what are you gonna talk about? How do you feel like?
What are you gonna say on the show tonight? And
I said, you know, the first thing I'm gonna.
Speaker 4 (19:20):
Say is this.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
My reaction to this is I really I have no reaction.
He was a great football player who got acquitted of
murder of his wife and her friend despite incredible evidence
that showed you that he did. He wrote a book saying,
if I did it, this is how I did it.
Live on the civil judgment, He's dead. That's really that's
(19:44):
really all all I have on it. That's where when
when it comes to him dying, like, Okay, he died,
I don't really have a reaction to it. It's because,
you know why, because there's no there's no positivity, there's
no good that comes out of any of this. We
had a storyline where he was one of America's great personalities,
(20:05):
great football player, had an acting career, broadcasting career, was
in commercials, and then you had the death of his
wife and her friend, and you saw that there's DNA
evidence and there was all kinds of things implicating him,
and it was a slam dunk case and somehow he
wound up getting acquitted, and it's just and what went
(20:27):
on after you saw that he was still that kind
of guy, wound up going to prison for a memorabilia
theft ring theft that that went on that he tried
to steal back stuff of his No good comes of
this story. Nobody gets any peace. You know, there's no
peace for even the Cole Brown Simpson's family, Ronald Goldman's family,
there's no peace for anybody else. There's no piece for
(20:47):
people who years years away go oh wow, what did
the jury do in that situation. There's no there's no
positive you know, he's gone and he's dead and everybody
has their opinions and there's no well there piece here,
there's there's there's some kind of thing. There's nothing. So
when it comes to when it comes to that part
of it, I mean, there's a lot of conversation to
(21:07):
be had about this. When it comes to my reaction,
I was like, boy he died. I was I wasn't
jumping around doing cartwheels. I wasn't sitting around going oh wow,
what a great what what a great football player? He was. No,
it's just because of what happened, Because of this. I
just don't have a reaction when when when something bad
happens and someone goes unpunished for it and they they
die or something, I don't really have a reaction to
(21:29):
it because it's Okay, it happened, and we'll talk about
it today and then we're going to be on to
other things. Yeah.
Speaker 6 (21:35):
For me, it became the discussion of really what that trial,
the chase and everything begat in our society more so
than the case itself. And you know, at the base
of it, you had to savage, inhumane, horrendous losses of life, right,
(22:00):
and a lot of theories of accomplices and all of
those other things. And people can go down into their
true crime prop podcasts and run run them up with that.
Speaker 8 (22:10):
You know.
Speaker 6 (22:11):
My kids both asked me because they saw the headlines,
like what do you remember. I'm like, I remember all
all of this stuff, right, I mean it was and
it's been chronicled. I mean, hell in their timelines the
Shrek to Chase right where he's on he's in human
form and now he's he's on a bronco and they're
chasing him through the woods and whatever, like all of it.
(22:33):
He made it into the cartoons and made it into
so many pieces of pop culture and begat the Kardashians,
which is a whole other sure, sure, whole other thing.
Sure right, whether you like fake asses or not. I
mean you can blame him for that too. David Swimmer
played Robert card Yes he did. Ross played Robert.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
Cardins and Kuba Gooding Junior. Yeah, what's gonna be your strategy.
I'm gonna say we were on a break, you were
on a break, Okay, had to go down that road.
Speaker 6 (23:04):
But like the industry reaction is like and then I
started getting texts like my brothers and other people, and
you know, within minutes, and I said it to you
guys because it was one of the first things that
I thought of. How much every week, no matter what
Norah McDonald was going to use that as his basic
(23:27):
tenet for every weekend update that he did, no matter
what else was going on in the world, it was
going to be.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
All about the trial stilled him well.
Speaker 6 (23:34):
And then eventually and then he had there was an
eleven minute super cut.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
There were all.
Speaker 6 (23:41):
Around, so you know, just the fact that it took
over in so many different ways and all these years later,
there's still all these theories and whatever else, and as
you said, nobody's getting any peace off it, right, you know,
there was no restitution made, no admittance, no trying to
(24:05):
find peace at any of that. They're saying that family
member's friends made their way to visit before he passed,
and whatever it is. I don't I don't know those
family relations. But I've certainly seen a lot more coming
out of people who are under NDA's and their stories
of what they knew about some really horrid, terrible things
(24:28):
that weren't part of this case, right, that weren't part
of the record as related to you know there. So
it's now an ever evolving story because again, anything that
was under those doesn't survive death, right, if we know
anything from our law and orders and all the you know,
(24:48):
even probably watching that David Schwimmer led to vehicle that
you know, it doesn't survive death. So a lot more
of those stories and those realities and the grizz details
will become public and probably you know, anybody that might
have still been on the fence I got. I gotta
guess the preponderance of evidence and the weight is starting
(25:10):
to push the the scale there in one direction.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
I got to tell you two things. The two big
things coming out of this case that I learned. For
the first when I'm in my early to mid twenties
is that the first one I know is that if
you have the better lawyers, even if you don't have
a great case, you can still beat the other team
if they don't have as good as you, Sawney, if
they had contacted me first, that probably would have been
(25:35):
on the other side. Yeah, I mean, when you have
the better lawyers, because like the famous quote from Robert Shapiro,
not only did we play the race card to try
to win this, but we dealt it from the bottom
of the death right.
Speaker 4 (25:45):
And timpering with the crime scena also help well.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
Well, that that get that gets the big part of
it is that I realized too, you think I realized
that the better lawyers can win even if they don't
have the they don't have the facts, if they don't
have they don't have the case, they can still win.
And that a jury can decide whatever they want to
regardless as to what they see. Sure, because look, you
you think about now that the two biggest and one
thing I remember, you know, back in that case covering
(26:10):
it every day is how big a deal they spent
on the DNA evidence. This is ninety nine and forty
four one hundreds per This is we felt his DNA
is here in this book. But the science was so
new it was easy for the defense. Evan, we're supposed
to believe this, none of us really understand Whereas no
matter what the case was now, if this case happened now,
(26:31):
no matter what you felt about about OJ Simpson, everything
else would be be impossible to let the guy go
because the forensic evidence is indisputable. Right, this We solve
cold cases now from forty years ago because of DNA evidence,
but because it was so new then it was able
to be discounted by the jury and don't put And
this is something that's weird because I had just moved
to LA when this was going on, And when I
(26:54):
think about the jury not convicting O. J. Simpson, I
feel like a lot of it had to do with
what did we just see a couple of years before
was the Rodney King verdict? Right, which was awful?
Speaker 4 (27:05):
Right?
Speaker 1 (27:05):
You watched Rodney King get beaten to a pulp by
a bunch of bad cops, and what happens they all
wind up getting acquitted, and the riots across the city
were insane. So you know that's in the back of
jurors minds and people's minds. Hey, whatever this result is
gonna be, are we gonna wind up seeing are we
gonna see suff? We're gonna see it? And so I wonder,
and this is this, This is me playing amateur psychology
(27:26):
thinking about the jury seeing all this evidence and still
acquitting O. J. Simpson. Is that I wonder how much
in their mind was boy, our city, we don't want
this city to have this happen again. And but boy,
there's really nowhere to go. How can we let him go?
How can we not convict him? Because look at this
preponderance and evidence, and then the Mark Furman stuff came out,
and then that's when Roberts I dealt the race card
(27:48):
from the bottom of the deck and you see Mark
Furman and everything that went bad, and how and how
bad that was, and how bad they screwed up, and
we mistrust mistrust. You had a lot of racial mistrust there,
and that's where I think the juror was able to say, Okay,
you've given it to us, You've given us the out
for us to not convict O J. Simpson of this
and and and and have it on the heels of
(28:09):
what happened to Rodney King. Obviously two different cases, but
you're talking about a city that burned and then is
this gonna happen again? Because suddenly how big a deal
that was? But the Mark Furman stuff, I think that
was for the jury. That was where they say, okay,
now you've given us an okay out for us to say, yeah,
we can acquit him, because the other stuff was all comical.
We can't fit the You're gonna let him try the
glove on and pretend that he can't put it on. Really, like,
(28:31):
what kind of lawyers? I mean? You look at like
Marsha Cross and Marcia Cross Garden. If I was talking
about Melrose Place, it would be markin well it is, yes,
but she's not. He's not attached as it yet as
I sit here and go, how are you you missed?
You blew the biggest slam dunk case in the history
of of of law, and and you're writing books and
being famous about this, like how did you allow all
(28:52):
these things to happen? And it's like they never thought
they were gonna lose, But once once that happened, once
Mark Furman came out and you saw all the racism
that was out that, you saw everything else, and then
you knew, Okay, that's what it's gonna that's how that's
how it's going to be, because that was just all
that was such an awful look for the l A
p D and everything else, and you cringe thinking that, boy,
(29:14):
this is this, this is These are the institutions that
we expect to protect us. And these are the last
two openings we have gotten into what's going on here.
And and you know, I think that was a big
part of why OJ was able to go for you.
No matter what you see, you know, jurors are gonna say, Okay, no,
this is what I choose to believe. This is what
I choose to believe the most, what I choose to
(29:34):
believe here, And that's why he was not guilty. But
all that being said, if this trial happened now that
DNA evidence, it would be what can we do? We
have the we have, we have the evidence from his
car into her house, we got a bloody footprint, we
had all these different things. And because it was screwed
up so much and Shapiro put that on display. This
is why we had the outcome we did. No, this
is it. You know, you go back and talk about
(29:56):
the all star defense squad that you put together. It's
been well chronicled, and you know, the the television dramas
and so many other breakdowns. It begat all of these
law shows right where you had, well, let's bring in
our expert to talk about what we heard. Court TV
and everything else flows out of it. Uh and it
became a cottage industry. But I remember, you know, being
(30:19):
in Chicago and it was everything everybody was talking about,
but expecting with the same trepidation as you had here
in La of well, what happens, what happens when the
verdict gets red? Ye calls from I remember my mom,
it's like, just make sure you're home, just don't don't
(30:39):
be out whatever, like just fear that the city would
be engulfed in flames. And you know we saw it.
How many times did we chronicle it a couple of
years ago here on air at Fox Sports Radio as
cities burned across America. You know, it's it's something that
you know, you don't forget seeing that, and certainly in
La that was so recent where a lot of that
(31:01):
stuff hadn't even been close to being rebuilt at that point.
Speaker 5 (31:05):
The most popular Halloween mass this year is OJ Simpson,
and the most popular Halloween greeting is I'll.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
Kill you, nor McDonald done making a cottage industry out
of that? Or tree?
Speaker 4 (31:17):
Who?
Speaker 1 (31:18):
The Jason Smith Show with my best friend Mike Harmon
lave from the tire rack dot Com Studios. Well, we
will have more on OJ coming up straight ahead. It
looks like we may have an answer as to who
the next head coach of Kentucky might be. OJ is
not going to be the next head coach of Kentucky. No,
but he did it. He is not. That's coming up
next right here, Jason and Mike Fox.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Jason Smith
Show with Mike Harmon weekdays at ten pm Eastern, seven
pm Pacific.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
Well you know me, Mike Harmon, I hate to say
I told you so. Welcome to your life. The Jason
Smith Show with Mike Harmon. We got more on OJ
coming up in a few minutes. But it yes, but
it looks like Kentucky has zeroed in on who their
next head coach is. Going to be after today we
find out Scott Drew said thanks, but no thanks, I'm
(32:11):
gonna stay at Baylor. They are well, I'll tell you what.
I'm sure he went to La Casita for lunch yesterday
and whatever the dude that was in the bank at
a check dump drug full of money instead of here,
we're all good, you're staying right. Okay, this is now
your casino. Here are the keys. Uh, it looks like
(32:32):
their man is BYU head coach. No, Mark Pope. Close
close Mark Pope. So TJ. If we see white smoke
come up out of Kentucky, will know that Pope is
the new head coach.
Speaker 8 (32:46):
Tj.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
Uh, just for a second, because this is what we
talked about this the other night. I don't know. I
don't know how it makes me think I know how
to run a coaching search better than Kentucky and Mitch
Barnhart the ad. But you go from all the best
top guys say no, after the one guy you really
want says no. Then you go to Danny Hurley and
(33:08):
say hey, maybe, and he says no. Screw the guy.
The guy has said. The guy just went back to
back national titles and he's not the first guy you ask,
I would say no, just because you asked me. Second.
Not that I think he's a great fit in Kentucky,
because yeah, boy, the guy can be a bit abrasive,
but it works if you come. But you're gonna ask
him second. Really, But I think I think they had
to go back to him after he made it very
(33:29):
public of you know how much he liked it when
he was asked the question, right, they didn't say it specifically,
but talking about the landscape and looking out there, and
he said, you know, you got to talk to my wife, right,
made it so it's like, well, we got it. We
gotta make that phone call now that at least the
story's at at least call the way he said that.
I don't know. He's answering questions Monday night after they
(33:52):
won the national championship and they go, yeah, you're the
third guy. We're gonna do. Worry Danny, we'll get to you.
Come on, how you had check the box? You're stubby.
I could run a better, a better search than this.
So now you're down to Mark Pope, right, who has
not because you're upset that John Calipari has not been
taking you far enough from the NCAA tournament. So you're
gonna replace him with a guy who's never won an
(34:13):
NCAA tournament game as a head coach. Well, if he
got his first to Kentucky. But just think about that
for a second. You're upset to the guy that's won
a national championship and been to Final four. It's not
taking you far enough. So you're gonna replace him with
a guy who has not won an NCAA tournament game
as a head coach. Yeah, that's that. Just think of
(34:33):
Let that sink in. He's never lost more than fifteen
games in a season at BYU. Oh good, so when
they go sixteen and fifteen next year, they'll be okay,
a couple of eleven loss so seasons in there, but
you know, let win. Let that sink in, because this
goes back to what did we say the other night.
I get that you're frustrated with Cali Perry and wild
Cat Nation. We need somebody new. Maybe if we get
(34:56):
somebody new to come in, the nil purse strings will
open up again. He's run its course. And you know
they were okay with him leaving for Arkansas because they
put up no fight and it was yes, we're ready
to move on. But I go back to this and
I say, who are you gonna get that's better than
Cali Perry? Who are you gonna get? Tell me the
guy out there that not only is gonna continue to
(35:16):
win in the SEC but get you to final force.
Cali Perry's not that guy anymore. Who's the guy out
there better?
Speaker 4 (35:21):
Fran Brown?
Speaker 1 (35:22):
You're now going stop. He's gonna be coaching in the
playoff next year for Syracuse and when Syracuse plays Ohio
State for the national title, we'll talk to him about it.
Then you're going for a guy again who's never won
an nca tournament game that you're expecting to build up. Now,
he built a great program at Byu'm not saying he hasn't.
He's built a pretty good program there, But you're talking
about we need a guy elite to get us to
final fours, and a guy that's not not final four,
(35:44):
not to be sixteen, hasn't won again. He's the guy.
You have biffed this from the beginning, because yes, you're
ready to push him out, but who was the guy?
You need to say? If we're pushing Cali Perry out,
our next guy is ready to come in and this
is the danger. This is what happens to programs and
how they wind up circling the drain and a once
proud Kentucky team, which is the number one job in
(36:05):
college basketball. This is how you turn into an eighteen
and fifteen team going to the n and you go,
what happened to us? We're Kentucky basketball. This is how
it happens. This is how it happens. You know how
you fix this? How do you fix it? You hit
the music.
Speaker 5 (36:21):
Here he is, ladies and gentlemen, welcome back, all time great,
one of the greatest coaches we've ever seen in the
collegiate ranks.
Speaker 1 (36:32):
Ladies and gentlemen, it's Rick Potato. N Come on, come on, hey, man,
if Russell Maania can bring back Cina and the Undertaker,
no knock now, we can turn back the clock and
bring back Potato. He got the job with Iona and
he said that was his last job. And then he
left and went to Saint John's and now Saint John's's
last job. He's not going anywhere. You can't get him
(36:55):
out of Saint John's again to Kentucky. Come on, man,
Iota was his last job. I'm not going anywhere. I
remember vividly when he said that at the press conference,
You're not gonna get especially after he said that's my
last job that I'm leaving for Saint John's. He's not
gonna leave again. You can't do that. No, not at all,
not at all. I mean, look, we at least would
(37:15):
have some tournament experience. But this is how a program
goes from elite to what did we do? Because this
is how you turn into eighteen and fourteen seasons? Who
are you gonna get? Right? Mark Pope's a guy better
than get He's gonna get you better and further than
John Caliparry. Just what I'm what, I'm just what I'm getting.
I'm guessing these are the guys. This is where if
you knew he was gonna go, you had to have
(37:36):
your next guy set up to say, no, we got it,
and this is our Okay, Hey, this is a guy
that handles an il, handles, knows what it's like for
the sec all of these things. They biff this so bad. Well,
but here's the other problem is that you waited until
the cycle had already gone through. A lot of these
guys had already moved right. We'd seen a lot of
coaching movement. We certainly saw it on the football side,
but on the basketball side, guys were already gone, already
(37:57):
in their own version of the portal. So what's left.
I'll tell that man, the white smoke of the Pope.
I could I could have run this better. I really
could have. You don't coming back.
Speaker 8 (38:10):
No.
Speaker 1 (38:10):
I even had his entrance music and everything. Yeah, but
he's the one guy whose name has been out there
they have not talked to, so you know they don't
want to talk to you. A lot more than this,
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