November 21, 2023 • 36 mins
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Speaker 4 (00:29):
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Eagles offense much of the night, carry Rhoades run like
Matt Damon playing against John Malkovich. Anders, check check, check, throw,
the Orioles, get mad, all that stuff, and then finally bam,
there's the big play down field of Devonte Smith. Add
the brotherly shove twenty one to seventeen Chiefs get the
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ball back thirty four seconds off the clock. Three plays
thirty four seconds, Eagles with the ball back and on
a first down, Jalen Hurts with another big rushing effort,
and now it becomes the tick tick tick tick tick,
and the ground game of the Eagles going to work.
Speaker 5 (01:32):
Yeah, this is what they do. This is what makes
the Eagles, you know, one of those severely positive clutch teams,
because once they get the ball down, the stretch four
minutes we like to call the four minute drive, is
when an offense can keep getting first downs, watching the
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clock run down to zero w and not put the
defense back out there again and just win the game
that way. They're they're really good at that, and they
put themselves in the situation in most games where the
most times in these four minute drives to where it's
always third and short, and then they do the most
hated play in the NFL right now, the Brotherly shove,
and just keep getting the first downs. And so it's
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gonna be a challenge for Kansas City to even get
this ball back.
Speaker 4 (02:19):
Well nine yards on that first down play followed by
the brotherly shove where it takes what fifteen seconds to
get everybody off the pile and get things moving forward
as well. So running clock down and after such a
great defensive effort. We started last hour talking about the
Chiefs and how they've been able to slow it down,
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how the clunkiness of the Eagles offense had been for
much of the night, a lot of screen passes, so
good blocking on the outside because you did have some
pretty good games, and oftentimes you also got the hand
of a defensive lineman because you're running the same play
side to side, and then finally get the big strike
down field from Hurts and what it look like a
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pedestrian offensive effort now looks like, oh, we were geniuses
biding our time knowing we were gonna eventually be able
to hit on a big play. And what's funny is, look,
the Chiefs have all but erased AJ Brown tonight. They
had a shot to him in the end zone earlier
that fell in complete. But it's all been Devonte Smith.
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The rapport he and Jalen Hurts have really something else.
Speaker 5 (03:24):
Yeah, Devonte Smith has been pretty good these last couple
of weeks. I think I thought the Eagles were going
to a J. Brown a little bit too much in
the earlier season, and I think, you know, having Devonte
Smith step up here and add some balance to their offense.
Is gonna, you know, provide some dividends moving forward for
this year. But we just got a big holding penalty
right here on the Eagles, which will probably derail what
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they usually do in these situations where they just keep
matriculating down the field. Now it's second and twenty two,
when now it's a different story. Kansas City may have
another chance here to try to score and win this game.
Speaker 4 (03:58):
Start getting behind the second twenty two, three twelve remaining
clock tick tick tick hert slides down. Yep, keep the
clock rolling, make them decide whether they want to use
timeouts or not. The play clock it is stopped three
oh eight. Kansas City takes their time out.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
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And that let me let's be segue to this. Right
we talk with Jason lock In for last hour. Obviously
he's out there in Baltimore and covering the Ravens that
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we talk about.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
The importance of Mark Andrews.
Speaker 4 (04:38):
Yeah, Eagles have themselves a damn fine tight end as
well in Dallas Goddard, who's unavailable. They're hoping to get
him back down here for the stretch run. But when
you take a guy like that out of an offense
who's so pivotal to making things happen and sucking up
so much space in the middle, you know, as a
defense is what does that do in your preparation when
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all of a sudden you take out Ad eight, you
take out Mark Andrews, and suddenly it's like, all right,
how are we devising our schemes against these other receivers,
because it's going to be a completely different look.
Speaker 5 (05:10):
Yeah, no, it's It's interesting because I think especially in
this Dan age now, where the tight ends are so good,
I mean, and tight ends throughout the you know, throughout
history have been key contributors and and people that you
have to you know, you got a game plan for.
But I know in my days playing in playing and
I I relish that matchup myself individually. So I would
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go into a game if we had a really good
tight end that week, I would take him one on
one and I would tell coach, he's not He's not
going to be the reason we're going to lose. So
I think you've you've lost a little bit of that
in this day and age now where you can't be
as physical with the with the tight ends or receivers
in general, you can't touch them anymore. So I think
that's what made the tight end position such a valuable
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position now because I mean, they're calling illegal contact, they're
calling holding on things where back in my day we
could be a little bit more physical. So they're big,
their matchup problems. You can't put a cover guy on them.
You can't put a corner on them because they're too big,
and you can't put a safety linebacker because they're usually
a little bit more athletic athletic than they are and
just use their big bodies to position. So they're they're
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they're nightmare matchups, man, and you have to game plan
for them, especially deep in the red zone where a
lot of those tight ends like the Kelsey's, the Andrews,
they make their living.
Speaker 4 (06:25):
Now, let me ask you this, uh flowing flowing out
of that, how early in the game as a dB,
did you know how the officials were gonna call it.
I mean we've got past you know, performances data, just
like we do on players right of what tendencies are,
et cetera. But game to game, you know this is
gonna be a little bit of a feel. You know,
you're the Jets and you're you're playing say a rival
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team or a team that's known.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
For from Gronkowski or somebody like that.
Speaker 4 (06:49):
Right you're playing it, how much do you think you're
How early do you know whether you're going to be
able to get away with a little pushing and shovel
or if the ticki tac might be around them?
Speaker 2 (06:58):
Well, it's not even early.
Speaker 5 (06:59):
We know before the game we can look at whoever's
going to be the crew that week and know what
they like to call. So when I was in New
York with Man Genie, we would literally, I mean we
were so analytical and we were so thoroughed with everything.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
We would know who the.
Speaker 5 (07:14):
Officiating crew was and knew what they were, what they
were prone to throw, what they were heavy on calling,
and you know, so you kind of had that awareness
going into the game year before.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (07:24):
So you've got the awareness though, but you still got
to be aggressive, especially if you're facing ground cows. Sure, yeah, yeah, right,
because your bulldoze you. Yeah, it's one of those. All right,
how do we manage this knowing he's going to be
physical and make sure we don't get caught with an
arm extended trying to fend him off and those kinds
of things.
Speaker 5 (07:43):
Well, what we like to do in those situations is
we would have whoever the rusher was to that side
be physical with them at the line so they don't
call it.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
They're usually close up.
Speaker 4 (07:53):
You get your five yards in theory exactly.
Speaker 5 (07:56):
So we would let those guys bruise them up, chip
them up, and to throw him off of his trajectory
of his route. And so that would help us a lot.
But again, I mean, I'm gonna be a little handsy anyway.
A lot of those guys, as long as you keep
them close, a lot of times they would you know,
in my day, let that go a little bit. But yeah,
you gotta be physical with those guys. They do the
same thing. They their big bodies. Look at him, he's
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just shielding the guy out right now, Kelsey drops it.
But they're really good at using their bodies, and I
think the tight end position is that's why it's such
a hard position to cover.
Speaker 4 (08:25):
What what a turn of events there on a third
and two to eighteen remaining Kelsey with what was pretty
easy passed to the outside, look like he gets away,
he's got some green in front of him instead right
off the fingertips. Now on fourth and two, Mahomes is
able to come right back to him as they're working
to get a snap off ahead of the two minute warning.
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But one of those, like we've seen a couple of
players Kelsey right and he catches another ball now out
to the thirty four. But there's just been a couple
of those. We saw the fumble earlier, trying to make
something extra happen, and now trying to see with a
two minute warning. I mean, how does a guy keep
getting open like that? That's that's the million dollar question.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
It helps, the rafts are on your side. It does help.
It helps a little bit.
Speaker 4 (09:14):
Yeah, I was gonna say, don't don't sit there like
the Chiefs don't get every damn call.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
It sounds like he's speaking from experience here. He's a
guy in division. He knows this. I've had enough of it, Carri.
He's mad as hell and he's not gonna take it anymore.
Speaker 5 (09:31):
No, it's uh, he's the thing that he does really well. Yes,
he does push off a lot, and like I talked
about earlier, those tight ends are are giving a little leeway,
a little bit more leeway than we are defensively to uh,
to be physical. So you know he does that. But
he's also a really smart guy. Him and the h
the rapport that him and Mahomes.
Speaker 4 (09:50):
Have just find of those little what greg Kowski used
to same thing. How is that guy finding so much space?
But it's you know that little steps keep working, let's.
Speaker 5 (10:02):
Keep moving, a little manipulation of the defense and just
find those holes in those zones. And and Brady and
Mahomes know that they can trust them to find that spot.
And it's just it's that. And you talk about Lamar
and Mark Andrews too, the same They just they.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
So crush that as a defensive back.
Speaker 4 (10:17):
Though you guys have done your job right to a man,
your corners use safeties you've got, you've all done your job,
but they buy just enough time on that offensive line
that Gronkowski or Kelsey or one of these guys finds
that little space. Like even the Patriots taking Welker or
one of those other guys, right, same thing, not necessarily
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a big play down field, but just enough to move
the sticks, keep the stick sit down, right, Hankwa Bolda
was the best post up a receiver perhaps in the game. Right, Yeah,
just I know where the sticks are and I'm just
gonna box out and find my space.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
Dude. It's it's it's annoying. But it's also like.
Speaker 5 (10:56):
You have to give them credit sometimes and I'm just
saying grudging of course, yes exactly, like it's, well, you
got us displayed. But the thing about Brady and those
guys in those times when we were playing, and it's
similar to Mahomes and a lot of the great ones,
is it doesn't matter how good you play for most
of the game. Where they make they where they make
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their hay is right before the halves. And so the
game would be seven three or ten to seven, and
you feel like you're in the game and you're competing
and you're doing well, and you're bottling it, you're bollling
them up a little bit and you feel good about it.
It'll be fifty eight seconds before the half and every
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time they would score, and just from being ten to
seven and feeling good about yourself to being seventeen to
seven and knowing that they get the ball, the kickoff
the second half and next thing you know, it's twenty
to seven.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
It just is demoralizing.
Speaker 5 (11:54):
And I think that's the word that would probably come
with no guys that have that rapport and no that
and in it's two minute drill, we can't hide it,
we can't disguise, and they just know exactly what are
going where to.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
Be speak of demoralized.
Speaker 4 (12:06):
We're gonna watch the final one fifty six of this
game here week eleven, Monday Night Football, the Eagles and
the Chiefs. Chiefs with the ball at midfield now after
a roughing the passer penalty after the thirteen yard completion
to Kelsey. We've got that coming up next, as well
as demoralizing your former team, the New York Football Jets,
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the chaos surrounding the demotion of the once golden child
and his mom, Zach Wilson.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
We'll talk about the Jets, We'll talk about where we're at.
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Chasing turkeys around like Rocky Chase the Chickens in the
original nineteen seventy six classic. Yes, I got Carry Rhodes
in his stead former NFL dB. He's an actor, he
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all things. He's renaissance man and he's in with us
here tonight at Fox Sports Radio, and he's gonna make
some sense of things for me in a moment. But first,
let's let's set it up. The game has gone final. Yeah,
the Eagles succeed and proceed twenty one to seventeen in
the final, able to take away and leave Chiefs fans
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hands on their heads, mouths of gape because they take
a home loss and on glaring display drop balls all
over the field. Is one of those where you wish
there was paint on the ball that as it dropped
you could see all the spots on the field where
bad things happened.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
Yes, they are.
Speaker 5 (14:42):
I mean, they're playing up to what we've expected expect
from them this year so far. Their receivers, their playmakers
do not make enough plays. They drop balls and you
know usually the sure handed Kelsey dropped a couple as
well and fumbled one going in for a touchdown as well.
And so you know, this is one of those games
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where yes, Philly got the win. They're used to winning
these type of games close, But the Chief's got to
be kicking themselves.
Speaker 4 (15:11):
No, that's right, Give any an opportunity right the end
zone interception Mahomes early on red zone fumble from Kelsey,
and then you add all the drops. Let's hear one
of the big plays here down the stretch.
Speaker 7 (15:25):
Snapped to Mahomes retreating, he's unloading it long, He's got
Valdas scantling, Andy, can I hang on to the ball.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
He drops the ball in the end.
Speaker 3 (15:33):
Zone a deep post pattern.
Speaker 7 (15:36):
The Chiefs had it. They had the defender beat and
Valdez Scantling on a deep post had the deep safety beat.
And Valdez Scantling drops the ball at the one yard
line and.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
Quentin Johnson is officially off the hook.
Speaker 4 (15:52):
He really does take him off the hook here. We're
not done with your coach. We'll circle back to him
a little bit later. Mitch Holt is on the call
there for Chief Radio Network at the one yard line,
and we watched it in painstaking slow motion, and then
you see all the reactions of the Chiefs fans. You
saw the play as it unfolded in Patrick Mahomes response.
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But get this, they weren't done with heart stopping kind
of moments after getting the ball back, after having all
these opportunities right, they did everything right. You had a
fourth and twenty five situation and we're waiting. Hey, what
kind of heroics? What does he have in his magic
bag of tricks? And Mahomes at least here we are.
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Hold your breath. Mahomes is back.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
Mahomes is looking, he's dancing around, he's plunting, he's firing
at It is incomplete.
Speaker 4 (16:45):
It is incomplete on ten and for Watson and then complete,
and the Eagles are gonna win this thing.
Speaker 3 (16:52):
The Eagles are gonna come from ten points.
Speaker 7 (16:54):
Down at halftime to bat the team that picked them
in the Super Bowl.
Speaker 4 (17:00):
No, feel good, Merril Reese. The legend on the goall
in Philadelphia is the revenge? No, no, don't even try
to say it is the pass to Watson. And you're
a defensive back, Yeah, I'm waiting for the defense of
my man. But Darius Slay might have gotten there beat
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early and through the back of Justin Watson before the ball.
Speaker 5 (17:26):
Hey, the flag didn't drop.
Speaker 4 (17:29):
All right, it's all. It's all good. It looked good
in the box score. It was perfect defense. Yeah, he
may even get a deflection the PBu on that.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
We'll see. We'll see how the how the stats passed.
They're not at home.
Speaker 3 (17:39):
They're not at home.
Speaker 4 (17:39):
Carry you're not getting the extra half tackles, you're not
getting the PBu.
Speaker 5 (17:43):
On that right, right, I got my hand on that, coach,
So yeah, no it didn't happen. But yeah, this is
one of those games, man, we talked about it. The
Chiefs are the Chiefs and the Eagles this year, man,
they've they've dropped the ball a couple of times. I mean,
the Eagles long losses to one of the worst teams
in the league now at this moment, especially as far
as offense goes, right, and they lost to my Jets,
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and so there's other games this year that they've had
the opportunity to lose.
Speaker 4 (18:10):
They pull them out, and they pull another one out tonight.
So let me ask you this as we come out
of here. The Chiefs limited to seventeen points.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
Again.
Speaker 4 (18:18):
Now they did leave yeah, left point, but it doesn't matter, no,
you left it. You scored seventeen right, right, Because we
can do the ifsen butts, and we try to do that,
you know, as we try to dissect quarterback play. You
know what's really this guy's fault. The interceptions are interceptions, right,
Josh Allen. We've talked about it a lot, you and
I when you filled in for Jason, and we've had
these conversations. They still stack up in the in the
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interception column. Now, they're not all created equal game circumstance,
receiver drop, you know, punt check, like you're back in
between the cars on your street at home and you
just threw it up. It's like my guy gets it
or your guy gets it, doesn't matter. We were gonna
punt anyway. So here there you have it. But the
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Chiefs at this point, you're looking at only three games
this year where they've scored twenty seven or more points.
You've seen Denver begin their turnaround with a great effort
defensively against them. You've seen now Miami, even though they
got off to a big lead, Miami's defense adjusted, they
hang on for a twenty one to fourteen win. Back
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in that game in Germany, and then tonight the Eagles
weren't great for much of it, but it was more
on the offensive side. We saw the Chiefs defense hold
to form early, but the Chiefs offense, beyond the Kelsey drops,
we're still waiting for someone to emerge.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (19:40):
I think what this shows the most really right now
is the margin of era for the Chiefs that's evaporated.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
That's not there anymore.
Speaker 5 (19:49):
Right, So they had chances in the previous three years
right where they could make some mistakes and they will
still win by ten.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
Right, that was who they were. That's not who they
are now.
Speaker 5 (20:00):
Their team that plays defense, can run the ball and
occasionally there's some home magic that happens. But yeah, right
now this team's margin player is gone and they have
to actually start playing real sound football, and that's something
they haven't done in the past. They've just been better
than people. So now we'll see if the big raid
that can actually coast his team to you know, normal
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style football and win games on your defense, running game
and you know your quarterback Ben specially when he has.
Speaker 4 (20:29):
To the curiosity to it. Also, though, is you know,
are they a team that has to be a front
runner at this point because they don't have that secondary
option in the receiving game. I mean, we sawmvs. Wide open,
just drops the ball, but again it goes for not
it's an incomplete pass. We move on if ifs and butts,
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candies and nuts and everything else. But when you're trying
to find, you know, those margins, especially as we're getting
into winning time, because that's just that's the thing, right Denver,
I don't We'll talk about them as the show goes on.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
I mean, we could do it here now.
Speaker 4 (21:06):
I guess they're on this winning streak and I don't
know how real they are. A couple of wins against
good teams that we think, and a couple of against Okay,
they survived in advance, right Minnesota, they have the comeback.
We could get into penalies that could have would have
should have been called whatever. Russell Wilson had a drive
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when he needed a drive because they were stimied all night.
Because that's the thing. I think we need to pump
the brakes a little bit on the crowning Russell is
all the way back and crowning Sean Payton as some
kind of genius in the red zone. They were still
only one to five. Yeah, yeah, right, you still settled
for field goals and couldn't find and pick that lock
to find the way on the very aggressive Minnesota defense. Yes,
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that gave you opportunities if you avoided that you know,
initial surge. Right, there were there were spots and you
could do the all twenty two. He's opening like you
got to see, but field goal attempts, but they make
the drive win it counts and and again wins and losses.
In this league, it's all one possession games. But how
much do you believe in them? In terms of this
search Courtland Sutton and what we're starting to see more
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from the defense that's matching some of these efforts that
we're seeing from the Chiefs and other squads.
Speaker 5 (22:19):
They had a historically bad start defensively, obviously giving up
about Miami, but they've definitely, you know, righted some of
those wrongs and started to, you know, play solid football.
I don't know if they're a threat yet, but they're
obviously there. They are a team that I mean, momentum
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is real, and they're starting to pick that up and
they're starting to believe and you can see that. I mean,
you can actually see the offensive lineman and the receivers
and the running backs starting to believe in Russell Wilson,
and I think that's part of what's happening for them.
I Mean, last year there were moments when we watched
them play and nobody would even go around Russell Wilson
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like it.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
It was bad.
Speaker 4 (23:05):
He got knocked on his ass. Guy to looked at
him and say.
Speaker 5 (23:08):
They we're looking crazy at him right, and so not
having any continuity there, but now you can see that
they believe in what they're doing as a team and
they're believing in their quarterback, and so do they have
a chance to keep this going and you know, sneak
their way into the playoffs?
Speaker 2 (23:23):
Absolutely? Are they a threat now?
Speaker 4 (23:26):
Well, but that's the large that's the larger question now
in the AFC right of trying to determine do we
have a great team or do we just have a
nice collection of teams that are pretty good and let's
see who's healthy come the first week of January. Because
I'm of that opinion at this point. As much as
I love Baltimore, No, Mark Andrews is a pretty big
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and I love Zay Flowers. Whenever Odell's out there, you know,
he gives you a moment now and again, gust the
buss Edwards, you know, great throwback kind of running back
who's still just bulldoze in.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
And take you out.
Speaker 4 (24:00):
And obviously we celebrate Lamar Jackson and what he's able
to do. But what's going to change in that script
if you don't have Andrews taking all that attention of
safeties in the middle of the field, right, Yeah, Like
it's just a much different offense that you're running. So
they would have been the class. Cincinnati was on the come,
but now Joe Burrow is done and just go on
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down line. I mean, Cleveland, they're not gonna score on
up points. Steelers are there, they don't score. Yeah, and
they're six and four there. They'll likely fall off if
the metrics and you know, predictive abilities there especially you
still have more division games or whatever.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
But you just keep going on down the line. Of
the teams that are.
Speaker 4 (24:38):
There, It's like, I don't know, Chiefs, they've got a
defense and they've got Patrick Mahomes and Travis Kelcey. Yeah,
and then we got a big giant question mark.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
Yeah. I think it's.
Speaker 5 (24:49):
I think the class of the AFC right now still
it's Kansas City and Baltimore. I think those two teams
are a little bit better than the others are either
one of those elites. I don't think we have an
elite team in the AFC. I think we have a
Like I said, those two are the top tier, and
then you have below that Jacksonville that can get hot.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
I don't believe in them, but they can get right.
Speaker 4 (25:12):
I mean Calvin Calvin Ridley came off the milk cart
in this week, so that was good. That was that
was a big boost. And Trevor Lawrence had a knee
injury that he played through in Miami. We've seen them.
They can get bullied by good teams though, yes they
have right So as you go down the standings, and
then you got the guys from the planet Houston over
there that are just kind of good enough to mess
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things up, right, Jess Stroud's been good a bunch of
turnovers this week, but succeed in proceeed. You got the dub, right,
you got the dub. You got Dalton Schultz, you got
Tank Dell, you got Nico Collins, you got Devin Singletary
who's supplanted Damian Peers and actually runs forward, which is good.
Speaker 7 (25:53):
Ye.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
Sorry, sorry, Damian Pierce.
Speaker 4 (25:54):
I love you talked you up, but you know now,
now here's your motivation, go try to win your job
back exactly. But what Demico Ryans has done, they're they're interesting.
Are they great?
Speaker 2 (26:06):
No?
Speaker 4 (26:06):
No, But they might be just young enough and naive
enough to just screw around and make something happen. Right,
especially especially if your quarterbacks got the you know, cornerbacks mentality.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
I got beat on that one, but I got a
line back up and he does.
Speaker 5 (26:20):
And that's not fake, that's not that's not something he
was just saying to.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
To massage the situation at all.
Speaker 5 (26:26):
He really believes that he's a gunslinger and he's not
afraid to make those tight window throws. Yet he hasn't
been scarred by you know, somebody being in his zer
yet about his tunnel for problems.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
Yeah, yeah, there you go. Yeah, they had it for
one game, right, that's just it.
Speaker 4 (26:41):
It's been the outlier and what was otherwise a pretty
clean season.
Speaker 5 (26:44):
But how crazy would that story be? I mean, Houston
was one of the worst teams in the league last year, right,
and so you come into this year with zero expectations.
I mean, this team we still thought was a couple
of years away from being a really good team. And
my buddy, my high school team mate, Demic o' ryans
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is I mean, it's just I'm so happy for the kid.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
I've known him since he was a young, young young.
Speaker 5 (27:10):
Fellow obviously, and always was a leader, always was a
guy that you knew was going to be a coach
and he's doing this right now and turn this team
into a team that believes it would be a great story.
I don't see it happening. But I also I want
to talk about Baltimore just a little bit more here,
and we talk about you know, the obviously how big
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of a loss Mark Andrews is, and he is. If
this was two years ago or even last year, this
team would have no shot. This team right now has
a shot even without him. They have enough weapons, and
they have an offensive coordinator who actually can construct something
different that looks normal, like normal in football days. Zay
(27:51):
Flowers is good. You know, Bateman is still inconsistent but
can be good. And you know, Odell's starting to look
like Odell these last couple of weeks. And we haven't
even talked about the rookie running back who was a
game chang to Keithon Mitchell. So those guys have talent,
and so I'm not down on them yet, No, no.
Speaker 4 (28:08):
No, But in terms of greatness, right, it's stay all right,
let's see how this plays. But to your point, yes,
more playmakers than they've had in the past. We didn't
even get into Buffalo because they're such an Enigma. Yeah,
I don't a lot of injuries on the defensive side. Offensively,
new coordinator for one week, it worked, but it's the Jets.
Speaker 2 (28:29):
Sorry, buddy, I got I get it.
Speaker 4 (28:31):
We haven't even done the deep dive into.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
The Jets right just yet.
Speaker 4 (28:34):
And you're like, I'm gonna fill a buster and so
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across the National Football League, we'd be remiss if we
didn't talk about the Bears collapse of yesterday. Now in Chicago,
they're shaking their fists and there's a lot of anger.
Speaker 2 (29:12):
I say, not so fast.
Speaker 4 (29:14):
You accomplished a lot in losing a game as you
did to the Detroit Lions. We'll get into that as
we continue, but thanks Justin thanks Alex. We're very thankful
group here for our squad here this week.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
What's up, Mike.
Speaker 5 (29:26):
Remember when we all wondered why the Lions always played
on Thanksgiving because it was always a.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
Loss for them. It was like, why to keep playing
on Thanksgiving? And now they deserve to be on things.
Speaker 4 (29:39):
Now everybody's celebrating, excited to see the game. Eventually it
finds its way.
Speaker 2 (29:44):
Yeah, it's cool, that's cool. Look how excited I'm smiling. Things.
Speaker 4 (29:48):
See, I'm all about where we can have some traditions.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
Let's keep the traditions. Yep.
Speaker 4 (29:54):
Right, We've changed up a lot of things. We're changing
everything in the collegiate world and all of our conference
alignments and some of these rivalry games will go into
the annals of history. It goes to the old Kevin Durant.
You don't like it, don't watch, Go help in the kitchen,
Go do something else, Go play with your kids. He's
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coming up next. Yes, I'll tell you why the Bears collapse,
while painful to watch in the real time, actually might
have been a good thing for him. We'll talk about
it next year on Fox.
Speaker 3 (30:28):
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Speaker 4 (30:35):
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we'll start hearing from the part participants of the Monday
Night Affair, the twenty one seventeen Philadelphia win at Kansas City.
I can't wait to hear what Patrick Mahomes, Andy Reid
and company all have to say about the drops, the
missed opportunities, and defending Jalen Hurts when it counts. But
a game yesterday that had my rapt attention because I'm
(31:22):
not right as I sat and watched the Lions and
the Bears. Yeah I should know better, just walk away
at some point, right, Lions, Tigers, Bears?
Speaker 2 (31:31):
Oh my?
Speaker 4 (31:32):
And this one eight and a half point spread, thought
the Bears would keep it close, even thought the potential
was there to win. Yeah, and it was, it was,
It was there in their grasp. Thirty one twenty six
is your final sim inane, absolutely mind numbing play calling
down the stretch, particularly when you get into those final plays,
(31:55):
the final sequences. Justin Fields had run. Well, he's over
one hundred yards. Is it perfect? No, there's you know,
still Warts coming back off his injury, and you're the Bears.
You still are what you are, but you've got to lead.
You're up twenty six fourteen, and then it becomes twenty
(32:16):
six twenty one touchdown, and now we get the ball
back for the Bears here as there's about three minutes
left on the clock, running back dive play first down,
time out, Detroit Okay to fifty five remaining, second down,
Khalil Herbert again, straight into the line, time out, third
(32:41):
down and nine, and now you have a scramble, an
attempt at an incomplete pass to Tyler Scott, all of
including the punt, you had fifteen seconds go off the
clock for the Bears. You've had all of these plays
all throughout the game.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
We've done a good job.
Speaker 4 (33:01):
Fields extending plays, binding the edges, finding the seams as
a runner, and then you call a couple of dive
plays into the line as a defender. How much do
you look and start mouthing the words thank you to
the offensive line?
Speaker 2 (33:16):
Yeah, like right away, right away.
Speaker 5 (33:18):
I mean, I think that's the old school approach. The
teams that have really good defenses, they would do that.
But that's not the Bears. And so yeah, very questionable
play calling. But I mean this is kind of what
I have become accustomed to, you know, associating with the Bears.
Speaker 2 (33:38):
You know what I mean, it's my entire life carries.
Speaker 4 (33:40):
So the Lions get the ball back after a punt,
eleven plays, seventy three yards, two minutes, four seconds off
the clock. They go ahead twenty nine to twenty six,
and then you have the ball kicked out of the
end zone safety thirty one to twenty six. Your final
And I say, you got some good wins out of this? Why, well,
you took a loss. You're not going anywhere. A win
(34:02):
does you no good on the grand scheme of things.
All it does is help people that want to stand
for Matt Eberflus. Yeah, that small but committed group, they
might feel better.
Speaker 2 (34:15):
About it a little bit.
Speaker 4 (34:17):
It should I would hope it's nearer to just family
and really close friends and those that he on his
payroll in one to some shape or formed landscapers and whoever.
But for the ownership, maybe they feel a little better.
Speaker 2 (34:33):
Like no, no, no, then we were close.
Speaker 4 (34:35):
Just run out today because look, the Bears, just like
we talked about with the Chargers, they're not sending anybody away, right,
and they're not gonna pay someone to go sit at
their couch and play video games or under their next job.
Speaker 2 (34:46):
They're just not okay.
Speaker 4 (34:48):
So that but maybe you learned a little bit about
justin fields where you feel a little better about who
he is as a player. Maybe again, it's all about
trying to convince yourself because you're trying to read the
tea leaves of the larger scale. And we'll get into
Caleb Williams next hour a little bit after this latest
loss and the latest loss that he took in the media,
(35:10):
you know, by not talking to them, Yeah, which I
think starts to create with a parade of events, a
little bit of a conversation as we get towards draft season,
and maybe you start getting in these mock drafts, maybe
there's other names that start getting a little bit higher
than Caleb Williams. Again, player versus the guy versus the
(35:34):
leader of your team, and all of that conversation. We'll
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(35:57):
not get twisted about this. You're trying to figure out
the best way forward.
Speaker 2 (36:02):
Is it him?
Speaker 4 (36:03):
Is it an option in the draft and starting over
while you're still pretty bear at a lot of your
base positions. Right, So it's a it's a curious time
for the Bears. But in the end, you got the
l you wanted to. You wanted to beat the Lions
because you wanted to shut up Lions fans, no question.
But in the end, it's closer towards your end goal,
(36:24):
which is to have as much AMMO to maybe either
bake those picks or trade those picks.
Speaker 2 (36:30):
Yeah, it's a it's an in house thing.
Speaker 5 (36:32):
It's one of those yes, you're you're an aware fan,
but uh, I think we'd have to revisit this on
the other side of the break because it's
Speaker 4 (36:40):
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Eagles offense much of the night, carry Rhoades run like
Matt Damon playing against John Malkovich. Anders, check check, check, throw,
the Orioles, get mad, all that stuff, and then finally bam,
there's the big play down field of Devonte Smith. Add
the brotherly shove twenty one to seventeen Chiefs get the
(01:14):
ball back thirty four seconds off the clock. Three plays
thirty four seconds, Eagles with the ball back and on
a first down, Jalen Hurts with another big rushing effort,
and now it becomes the tick tick tick tick tick,
and the ground game of the Eagles going to work.
Speaker 5 (01:32):
Yeah, this is what they do. This is what makes
the Eagles, you know, one of those severely positive clutch teams,
because once they get the ball down, the stretch four
minutes we like to call the four minute drive, is
when an offense can keep getting first downs, watching the
(01:53):
clock run down to zero w and not put the
defense back out there again and just win the game
that way. They're they're really good at that, and they
put themselves in the situation in most games where the
most times in these four minute drives to where it's
always third and short, and then they do the most
hated play in the NFL right now, the Brotherly shove,
and just keep getting the first downs. And so it's
(02:15):
gonna be a challenge for Kansas City to even get
this ball back.
Speaker 4 (02:19):
Well nine yards on that first down play followed by
the brotherly shove where it takes what fifteen seconds to
get everybody off the pile and get things moving forward
as well. So running clock down and after such a
great defensive effort. We started last hour talking about the
Chiefs and how they've been able to slow it down,
(02:39):
how the clunkiness of the Eagles offense had been for
much of the night, a lot of screen passes, so
good blocking on the outside because you did have some
pretty good games, and oftentimes you also got the hand
of a defensive lineman because you're running the same play
side to side, and then finally get the big strike
down field from Hurts and what it look like a
(03:00):
pedestrian offensive effort now looks like, oh, we were geniuses
biding our time knowing we were gonna eventually be able
to hit on a big play. And what's funny is, look,
the Chiefs have all but erased AJ Brown tonight. They
had a shot to him in the end zone earlier
that fell in complete. But it's all been Devonte Smith.
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The rapport he and Jalen Hurts have really something else.
Speaker 5 (03:24):
Yeah, Devonte Smith has been pretty good these last couple
of weeks. I think I thought the Eagles were going
to a J. Brown a little bit too much in
the earlier season, and I think, you know, having Devonte
Smith step up here and add some balance to their offense.
Is gonna, you know, provide some dividends moving forward for
this year. But we just got a big holding penalty
right here on the Eagles, which will probably derail what
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they usually do in these situations where they just keep
matriculating down the field. Now it's second and twenty two,
when now it's a different story. Kansas City may have
another chance here to try to score and win this game.
Speaker 4 (03:58):
Start getting behind the second twenty two, three twelve remaining
clock tick tick tick hert slides down. Yep, keep the
clock rolling, make them decide whether they want to use
timeouts or not. The play clock it is stopped three
oh eight. Kansas City takes their time out.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
Minder.
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he's out there in Baltimore and covering the Ravens that
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we talk about.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
The importance of Mark Andrews.
Speaker 4 (04:38):
Yeah, Eagles have themselves a damn fine tight end as
well in Dallas Goddard, who's unavailable. They're hoping to get
him back down here for the stretch run. But when
you take a guy like that out of an offense
who's so pivotal to making things happen and sucking up
so much space in the middle, you know, as a
defense is what does that do in your preparation when
(05:00):
all of a sudden you take out Ad eight, you
take out Mark Andrews, and suddenly it's like, all right,
how are we devising our schemes against these other receivers,
because it's going to be a completely different look.
Speaker 5 (05:10):
Yeah, no, it's It's interesting because I think especially in
this Dan age now, where the tight ends are so good,
I mean, and tight ends throughout the you know, throughout
history have been key contributors and and people that you
have to you know, you got a game plan for.
But I know in my days playing in playing and
I I relish that matchup myself individually. So I would
(05:31):
go into a game if we had a really good
tight end that week, I would take him one on
one and I would tell coach, he's not He's not
going to be the reason we're going to lose. So
I think you've you've lost a little bit of that
in this day and age now where you can't be
as physical with the with the tight ends or receivers
in general, you can't touch them anymore. So I think
that's what made the tight end position such a valuable
(05:53):
position now because I mean, they're calling illegal contact, they're
calling holding on things where back in my day we
could be a little bit more physical. So they're big,
their matchup problems. You can't put a cover guy on them.
You can't put a corner on them because they're too big,
and you can't put a safety linebacker because they're usually
a little bit more athletic athletic than they are and
just use their big bodies to position. So they're they're
(06:15):
they're nightmare matchups, man, and you have to game plan
for them, especially deep in the red zone where a
lot of those tight ends like the Kelsey's, the Andrews,
they make their living.
Speaker 4 (06:25):
Now, let me ask you this, uh flowing flowing out
of that, how early in the game as a dB,
did you know how the officials were gonna call it.
I mean we've got past you know, performances data, just
like we do on players right of what tendencies are,
et cetera. But game to game, you know this is
gonna be a little bit of a feel. You know,
you're the Jets and you're you're playing say a rival
(06:45):
team or a team that's known.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
For from Gronkowski or somebody like that.
Speaker 4 (06:49):
Right you're playing it, how much do you think you're
How early do you know whether you're going to be
able to get away with a little pushing and shovel
or if the ticki tac might be around them?
Speaker 2 (06:58):
Well, it's not even early.
Speaker 5 (06:59):
We know before the game we can look at whoever's
going to be the crew that week and know what
they like to call. So when I was in New
York with Man Genie, we would literally, I mean we
were so analytical and we were so thoroughed with everything.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
We would know who the.
Speaker 5 (07:14):
Officiating crew was and knew what they were, what they
were prone to throw, what they were heavy on calling,
and you know, so you kind of had that awareness
going into the game year before.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (07:24):
So you've got the awareness though, but you still got
to be aggressive, especially if you're facing ground cows. Sure, yeah, yeah, right,
because your bulldoze you. Yeah, it's one of those. All right,
how do we manage this knowing he's going to be
physical and make sure we don't get caught with an
arm extended trying to fend him off and those kinds
of things.
Speaker 5 (07:43):
Well, what we like to do in those situations is
we would have whoever the rusher was to that side
be physical with them at the line so they don't
call it.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
They're usually close up.
Speaker 4 (07:53):
You get your five yards in theory exactly.
Speaker 5 (07:56):
So we would let those guys bruise them up, chip
them up, and to throw him off of his trajectory
of his route. And so that would help us a lot.
But again, I mean, I'm gonna be a little handsy anyway.
A lot of those guys, as long as you keep
them close, a lot of times they would you know,
in my day, let that go a little bit. But yeah,
you gotta be physical with those guys. They do the
same thing. They their big bodies. Look at him, he's
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just shielding the guy out right now, Kelsey drops it.
But they're really good at using their bodies, and I
think the tight end position is that's why it's such
a hard position to cover.
Speaker 4 (08:25):
What what a turn of events there on a third
and two to eighteen remaining Kelsey with what was pretty
easy passed to the outside, look like he gets away,
he's got some green in front of him instead right
off the fingertips. Now on fourth and two, Mahomes is
able to come right back to him as they're working
to get a snap off ahead of the two minute warning.
(08:48):
But one of those, like we've seen a couple of
players Kelsey right and he catches another ball now out
to the thirty four. But there's just been a couple
of those. We saw the fumble earlier, trying to make
something extra happen, and now trying to see with a
two minute warning. I mean, how does a guy keep
getting open like that? That's that's the million dollar question.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
It helps, the rafts are on your side. It does help.
It helps a little bit.
Speaker 4 (09:14):
Yeah, I was gonna say, don't don't sit there like
the Chiefs don't get every damn call.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
It sounds like he's speaking from experience here. He's a
guy in division. He knows this. I've had enough of it, Carri.
He's mad as hell and he's not gonna take it anymore.
Speaker 5 (09:31):
No, it's uh, he's the thing that he does really well. Yes,
he does push off a lot, and like I talked
about earlier, those tight ends are are giving a little leeway,
a little bit more leeway than we are defensively to uh,
to be physical. So you know he does that. But
he's also a really smart guy. Him and the h
the rapport that him and Mahomes.
Speaker 4 (09:50):
Have just find of those little what greg Kowski used
to same thing. How is that guy finding so much space?
But it's you know that little steps keep working, let's.
Speaker 5 (10:02):
Keep moving, a little manipulation of the defense and just
find those holes in those zones. And and Brady and
Mahomes know that they can trust them to find that spot.
And it's just it's that. And you talk about Lamar
and Mark Andrews too, the same They just they.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
So crush that as a defensive back.
Speaker 4 (10:17):
Though you guys have done your job right to a man,
your corners use safeties you've got, you've all done your job,
but they buy just enough time on that offensive line
that Gronkowski or Kelsey or one of these guys finds
that little space. Like even the Patriots taking Welker or
one of those other guys, right, same thing, not necessarily
(10:38):
a big play down field, but just enough to move
the sticks, keep the stick sit down, right, Hankwa Bolda
was the best post up a receiver perhaps in the game. Right, Yeah,
just I know where the sticks are and I'm just
gonna box out and find my space.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
Dude. It's it's it's annoying. But it's also like.
Speaker 5 (10:56):
You have to give them credit sometimes and I'm just
saying grudging of course, yes exactly, like it's, well, you
got us displayed. But the thing about Brady and those
guys in those times when we were playing, and it's
similar to Mahomes and a lot of the great ones,
is it doesn't matter how good you play for most
of the game. Where they make they where they make
(11:19):
their hay is right before the halves. And so the
game would be seven three or ten to seven, and
you feel like you're in the game and you're competing
and you're doing well, and you're bottling it, you're bollling
them up a little bit and you feel good about it.
It'll be fifty eight seconds before the half and every
(11:40):
time they would score, and just from being ten to
seven and feeling good about yourself to being seventeen to
seven and knowing that they get the ball, the kickoff
the second half and next thing you know, it's twenty
to seven.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
It just is demoralizing.
Speaker 5 (11:54):
And I think that's the word that would probably come
with no guys that have that rapport and no that
and in it's two minute drill, we can't hide it,
we can't disguise, and they just know exactly what are
going where to.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
Be speak of demoralized.
Speaker 4 (12:06):
We're gonna watch the final one fifty six of this
game here week eleven, Monday Night Football, the Eagles and
the Chiefs. Chiefs with the ball at midfield now after
a roughing the passer penalty after the thirteen yard completion
to Kelsey. We've got that coming up next, as well
as demoralizing your former team, the New York Football Jets,
(12:27):
the chaos surrounding the demotion of the once golden child
and his mom, Zach Wilson.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
We'll talk about the Jets, We'll talk about where we're at.
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Chasing turkeys around like Rocky Chase the Chickens in the
original nineteen seventy six classic. Yes, I got Carry Rhodes
in his stead former NFL dB. He's an actor, he
(13:55):
is a musician, and he is an educated man in
all things. He's renaissance man and he's in with us
here tonight at Fox Sports Radio, and he's gonna make
some sense of things for me in a moment. But first,
let's let's set it up. The game has gone final. Yeah,
the Eagles succeed and proceed twenty one to seventeen in
the final, able to take away and leave Chiefs fans
(14:20):
hands on their heads, mouths of gape because they take
a home loss and on glaring display drop balls all
over the field. Is one of those where you wish
there was paint on the ball that as it dropped
you could see all the spots on the field where
bad things happened.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
Yes, they are.
Speaker 5 (14:42):
I mean, they're playing up to what we've expected expect
from them this year so far. Their receivers, their playmakers
do not make enough plays. They drop balls and you
know usually the sure handed Kelsey dropped a couple as
well and fumbled one going in for a touchdown as well.
And so you know, this is one of those games
(15:02):
where yes, Philly got the win. They're used to winning
these type of games close, But the Chief's got to
be kicking themselves.
Speaker 4 (15:11):
No, that's right, Give any an opportunity right the end
zone interception Mahomes early on red zone fumble from Kelsey,
and then you add all the drops. Let's hear one
of the big plays here down the stretch.
Speaker 7 (15:25):
Snapped to Mahomes retreating, he's unloading it long, He's got
Valdas scantling, Andy, can I hang on to the ball.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
He drops the ball in the end.
Speaker 3 (15:33):
Zone a deep post pattern.
Speaker 7 (15:36):
The Chiefs had it. They had the defender beat and
Valdez Scantling on a deep post had the deep safety beat.
And Valdez Scantling drops the ball at the one yard
line and.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
Quentin Johnson is officially off the hook.
Speaker 4 (15:52):
He really does take him off the hook here. We're
not done with your coach. We'll circle back to him
a little bit later. Mitch Holt is on the call
there for Chief Radio Network at the one yard line,
and we watched it in painstaking slow motion, and then
you see all the reactions of the Chiefs fans. You
saw the play as it unfolded in Patrick Mahomes response.
(16:15):
But get this, they weren't done with heart stopping kind
of moments after getting the ball back, after having all
these opportunities right, they did everything right. You had a
fourth and twenty five situation and we're waiting. Hey, what
kind of heroics? What does he have in his magic
bag of tricks? And Mahomes at least here we are.
(16:36):
Hold your breath. Mahomes is back.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
Mahomes is looking, he's dancing around, he's plunting, he's firing
at It is incomplete.
Speaker 4 (16:45):
It is incomplete on ten and for Watson and then complete,
and the Eagles are gonna win this thing.
Speaker 3 (16:52):
The Eagles are gonna come from ten points.
Speaker 7 (16:54):
Down at halftime to bat the team that picked them
in the Super Bowl.
Speaker 4 (17:00):
No, feel good, Merril Reese. The legend on the goall
in Philadelphia is the revenge? No, no, don't even try
to say it is the pass to Watson. And you're
a defensive back, Yeah, I'm waiting for the defense of
my man. But Darius Slay might have gotten there beat
(17:22):
early and through the back of Justin Watson before the ball.
Speaker 5 (17:26):
Hey, the flag didn't drop.
Speaker 4 (17:29):
All right, it's all. It's all good. It looked good
in the box score. It was perfect defense. Yeah, he
may even get a deflection the PBu on that.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
We'll see. We'll see how the how the stats passed.
They're not at home.
Speaker 3 (17:39):
They're not at home.
Speaker 4 (17:39):
Carry you're not getting the extra half tackles, you're not
getting the PBu.
Speaker 5 (17:43):
On that right, right, I got my hand on that, coach,
So yeah, no it didn't happen. But yeah, this is
one of those games, man, we talked about it. The
Chiefs are the Chiefs and the Eagles this year, man,
they've they've dropped the ball a couple of times. I mean,
the Eagles long losses to one of the worst teams
in the league now at this moment, especially as far
as offense goes, right, and they lost to my Jets,
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and so there's other games this year that they've had
the opportunity to lose.
Speaker 4 (18:10):
They pull them out, and they pull another one out tonight.
So let me ask you this as we come out
of here. The Chiefs limited to seventeen points.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
Again.
Speaker 4 (18:18):
Now they did leave yeah, left point, but it doesn't matter, no,
you left it. You scored seventeen right, right, Because we
can do the ifsen butts, and we try to do that,
you know, as we try to dissect quarterback play. You
know what's really this guy's fault. The interceptions are interceptions, right,
Josh Allen. We've talked about it a lot, you and
I when you filled in for Jason, and we've had
these conversations. They still stack up in the in the
(18:39):
interception column. Now, they're not all created equal game circumstance,
receiver drop, you know, punt check, like you're back in
between the cars on your street at home and you
just threw it up. It's like my guy gets it
or your guy gets it, doesn't matter. We were gonna
punt anyway. So here there you have it. But the
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Chiefs at this point, you're looking at only three games
this year where they've scored twenty seven or more points.
You've seen Denver begin their turnaround with a great effort
defensively against them. You've seen now Miami, even though they
got off to a big lead, Miami's defense adjusted, they
hang on for a twenty one to fourteen win. Back
(19:23):
in that game in Germany, and then tonight the Eagles
weren't great for much of it, but it was more
on the offensive side. We saw the Chiefs defense hold
to form early, but the Chiefs offense, beyond the Kelsey drops,
we're still waiting for someone to emerge.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (19:40):
I think what this shows the most really right now
is the margin of era for the Chiefs that's evaporated.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
That's not there anymore.
Speaker 5 (19:49):
Right, So they had chances in the previous three years
right where they could make some mistakes and they will
still win by ten.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
Right, that was who they were. That's not who they
are now.
Speaker 5 (20:00):
Their team that plays defense, can run the ball and
occasionally there's some home magic that happens. But yeah, right
now this team's margin player is gone and they have
to actually start playing real sound football, and that's something
they haven't done in the past. They've just been better
than people. So now we'll see if the big raid
that can actually coast his team to you know, normal
(20:24):
style football and win games on your defense, running game
and you know your quarterback Ben specially when he has.
Speaker 4 (20:29):
To the curiosity to it. Also, though, is you know,
are they a team that has to be a front
runner at this point because they don't have that secondary
option in the receiving game. I mean, we sawmvs. Wide open,
just drops the ball, but again it goes for not
it's an incomplete pass. We move on if ifs and butts,
(20:52):
candies and nuts and everything else. But when you're trying
to find, you know, those margins, especially as we're getting
into winning time, because that's just that's the thing, right Denver,
I don't We'll talk about them as the show goes on.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
I mean, we could do it here now.
Speaker 4 (21:06):
I guess they're on this winning streak and I don't
know how real they are. A couple of wins against
good teams that we think, and a couple of against Okay,
they survived in advance, right Minnesota, they have the comeback.
We could get into penalies that could have would have
should have been called whatever. Russell Wilson had a drive
(21:28):
when he needed a drive because they were stimied all night.
Because that's the thing. I think we need to pump
the brakes a little bit on the crowning Russell is
all the way back and crowning Sean Payton as some
kind of genius in the red zone. They were still
only one to five. Yeah, yeah, right, you still settled
for field goals and couldn't find and pick that lock
to find the way on the very aggressive Minnesota defense. Yes,
(21:51):
that gave you opportunities if you avoided that you know,
initial surge. Right, there were there were spots and you
could do the all twenty two. He's opening like you
got to see, but field goal attempts, but they make
the drive win it counts and and again wins and losses.
In this league, it's all one possession games. But how
much do you believe in them? In terms of this
search Courtland Sutton and what we're starting to see more
(22:14):
from the defense that's matching some of these efforts that
we're seeing from the Chiefs and other squads.
Speaker 5 (22:19):
They had a historically bad start defensively, obviously giving up
about Miami, but they've definitely, you know, righted some of
those wrongs and started to, you know, play solid football.
I don't know if they're a threat yet, but they're
obviously there. They are a team that I mean, momentum
(22:41):
is real, and they're starting to pick that up and
they're starting to believe and you can see that. I mean,
you can actually see the offensive lineman and the receivers
and the running backs starting to believe in Russell Wilson,
and I think that's part of what's happening for them.
I Mean, last year there were moments when we watched
them play and nobody would even go around Russell Wilson
(23:04):
like it.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
It was bad.
Speaker 4 (23:05):
He got knocked on his ass. Guy to looked at
him and say.
Speaker 5 (23:08):
They we're looking crazy at him right, and so not
having any continuity there, but now you can see that
they believe in what they're doing as a team and
they're believing in their quarterback, and so do they have
a chance to keep this going and you know, sneak
their way into the playoffs?
Speaker 2 (23:23):
Absolutely? Are they a threat now?
Speaker 4 (23:26):
Well, but that's the large that's the larger question now
in the AFC right of trying to determine do we
have a great team or do we just have a
nice collection of teams that are pretty good and let's
see who's healthy come the first week of January. Because
I'm of that opinion at this point. As much as
I love Baltimore, No, Mark Andrews is a pretty big
(23:46):
and I love Zay Flowers. Whenever Odell's out there, you know,
he gives you a moment now and again, gust the
buss Edwards, you know, great throwback kind of running back
who's still just bulldoze in.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
And take you out.
Speaker 4 (24:00):
And obviously we celebrate Lamar Jackson and what he's able
to do. But what's going to change in that script
if you don't have Andrews taking all that attention of
safeties in the middle of the field, right, Yeah, Like
it's just a much different offense that you're running. So
they would have been the class. Cincinnati was on the come,
but now Joe Burrow is done and just go on
(24:20):
down line. I mean, Cleveland, they're not gonna score on
up points. Steelers are there, they don't score. Yeah, and
they're six and four there. They'll likely fall off if
the metrics and you know, predictive abilities there especially you
still have more division games or whatever.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
But you just keep going on down the line. Of
the teams that are.
Speaker 4 (24:38):
There, It's like, I don't know, Chiefs, they've got a
defense and they've got Patrick Mahomes and Travis Kelcey. Yeah,
and then we got a big giant question mark.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
Yeah. I think it's.
Speaker 5 (24:49):
I think the class of the AFC right now still
it's Kansas City and Baltimore. I think those two teams
are a little bit better than the others are either
one of those elites. I don't think we have an
elite team in the AFC. I think we have a
Like I said, those two are the top tier, and
then you have below that Jacksonville that can get hot.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
I don't believe in them, but they can get right.
Speaker 4 (25:12):
I mean Calvin Calvin Ridley came off the milk cart
in this week, so that was good. That was that
was a big boost. And Trevor Lawrence had a knee
injury that he played through in Miami. We've seen them.
They can get bullied by good teams though, yes they
have right So as you go down the standings, and
then you got the guys from the planet Houston over
there that are just kind of good enough to mess
(25:34):
things up, right, Jess Stroud's been good a bunch of
turnovers this week, but succeed in proceeed. You got the dub, right,
you got the dub. You got Dalton Schultz, you got
Tank Dell, you got Nico Collins, you got Devin Singletary
who's supplanted Damian Peers and actually runs forward, which is good.
Speaker 7 (25:53):
Ye.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
Sorry, sorry, Damian Pierce.
Speaker 4 (25:54):
I love you talked you up, but you know now,
now here's your motivation, go try to win your job
back exactly. But what Demico Ryans has done, they're they're interesting.
Are they great?
Speaker 2 (26:06):
No?
Speaker 4 (26:06):
No, But they might be just young enough and naive
enough to just screw around and make something happen. Right,
especially especially if your quarterbacks got the you know, cornerbacks mentality.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
I got beat on that one, but I got a
line back up and he does.
Speaker 5 (26:20):
And that's not fake, that's not that's not something he
was just saying to.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
To massage the situation at all.
Speaker 5 (26:26):
He really believes that he's a gunslinger and he's not
afraid to make those tight window throws. Yet he hasn't
been scarred by you know, somebody being in his zer
yet about his tunnel for problems.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
Yeah, yeah, there you go. Yeah, they had it for
one game, right, that's just it.
Speaker 4 (26:41):
It's been the outlier and what was otherwise a pretty
clean season.
Speaker 5 (26:44):
But how crazy would that story be? I mean, Houston
was one of the worst teams in the league last year, right,
and so you come into this year with zero expectations.
I mean, this team we still thought was a couple
of years away from being a really good team. And
my buddy, my high school team mate, Demic o' ryans
(27:04):
is I mean, it's just I'm so happy for the kid.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
I've known him since he was a young, young young.
Speaker 5 (27:10):
Fellow obviously, and always was a leader, always was a
guy that you knew was going to be a coach
and he's doing this right now and turn this team
into a team that believes it would be a great story.
I don't see it happening. But I also I want
to talk about Baltimore just a little bit more here,
and we talk about you know, the obviously how big
(27:31):
of a loss Mark Andrews is, and he is. If
this was two years ago or even last year, this
team would have no shot. This team right now has
a shot even without him. They have enough weapons, and
they have an offensive coordinator who actually can construct something
different that looks normal, like normal in football days. Zay
(27:51):
Flowers is good. You know, Bateman is still inconsistent but
can be good. And you know, Odell's starting to look
like Odell these last couple of weeks. And we haven't
even talked about the rookie running back who was a
game chang to Keithon Mitchell. So those guys have talent,
and so I'm not down on them yet, No, no.
Speaker 4 (28:08):
No, But in terms of greatness, right, it's stay all right,
let's see how this plays. But to your point, yes,
more playmakers than they've had in the past. We didn't
even get into Buffalo because they're such an Enigma. Yeah,
I don't a lot of injuries on the defensive side. Offensively,
new coordinator for one week, it worked, but it's the Jets.
Speaker 2 (28:29):
Sorry, buddy, I got I get it.
Speaker 4 (28:31):
We haven't even done the deep dive into.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
The Jets right just yet.
Speaker 4 (28:34):
And you're like, I'm gonna fill a buster and so
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(28:56):
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see you talking about the good, the bad, the ugly
across the National Football League, we'd be remiss if we
didn't talk about the Bears collapse of yesterday. Now in Chicago,
they're shaking their fists and there's a lot of anger.
Speaker 2 (29:12):
I say, not so fast.
Speaker 4 (29:14):
You accomplished a lot in losing a game as you
did to the Detroit Lions. We'll get into that as
we continue, but thanks Justin thanks Alex. We're very thankful
group here for our squad here this week.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
What's up, Mike.
Speaker 5 (29:26):
Remember when we all wondered why the Lions always played
on Thanksgiving because it was always a.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
Loss for them. It was like, why to keep playing
on Thanksgiving? And now they deserve to be on things.
Speaker 4 (29:39):
Now everybody's celebrating, excited to see the game. Eventually it
finds its way.
Speaker 2 (29:44):
Yeah, it's cool, that's cool. Look how excited I'm smiling. Things.
Speaker 4 (29:48):
See, I'm all about where we can have some traditions.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
Let's keep the traditions. Yep.
Speaker 4 (29:54):
Right, We've changed up a lot of things. We're changing
everything in the collegiate world and all of our conference
alignments and some of these rivalry games will go into
the annals of history. It goes to the old Kevin Durant.
You don't like it, don't watch, Go help in the kitchen,
Go do something else, Go play with your kids. He's
carry roads in for Jason Smith, out by Carmen and
(30:16):
coming up next. Yes, I'll tell you why the Bears collapse,
while painful to watch in the real time, actually might
have been a good thing for him. We'll talk about
it next year on Fox.
Speaker 3 (30:28):
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Speaker 4 (30:35):
Welcome back in Fox Sports Radio Jason Smith Show with
Me Mike Harmon. No Jason Smith this week. Carrie Rhodes
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we'll start hearing from the part participants of the Monday
Night Affair, the twenty one seventeen Philadelphia win at Kansas City.
I can't wait to hear what Patrick Mahomes, Andy Reid
and company all have to say about the drops, the
missed opportunities, and defending Jalen Hurts when it counts. But
a game yesterday that had my rapt attention because I'm
(31:22):
not right as I sat and watched the Lions and
the Bears. Yeah I should know better, just walk away
at some point, right, Lions, Tigers, Bears?
Speaker 2 (31:31):
Oh my?
Speaker 4 (31:32):
And this one eight and a half point spread, thought
the Bears would keep it close, even thought the potential
was there to win. Yeah, and it was, it was,
It was there in their grasp. Thirty one twenty six
is your final sim inane, absolutely mind numbing play calling
down the stretch, particularly when you get into those final plays,
(31:55):
the final sequences. Justin Fields had run. Well, he's over
one hundred yards. Is it perfect? No, there's you know,
still Warts coming back off his injury, and you're the Bears.
You still are what you are, but you've got to lead.
You're up twenty six fourteen, and then it becomes twenty
(32:16):
six twenty one touchdown, and now we get the ball
back for the Bears here as there's about three minutes
left on the clock, running back dive play first down,
time out, Detroit Okay to fifty five remaining, second down,
Khalil Herbert again, straight into the line, time out, third
(32:41):
down and nine, and now you have a scramble, an
attempt at an incomplete pass to Tyler Scott, all of
including the punt, you had fifteen seconds go off the
clock for the Bears. You've had all of these plays
all throughout the game.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
We've done a good job.
Speaker 4 (33:01):
Fields extending plays, binding the edges, finding the seams as
a runner, and then you call a couple of dive
plays into the line as a defender. How much do
you look and start mouthing the words thank you to
the offensive line?
Speaker 2 (33:16):
Yeah, like right away, right away.
Speaker 5 (33:18):
I mean, I think that's the old school approach. The
teams that have really good defenses, they would do that.
But that's not the Bears. And so yeah, very questionable
play calling. But I mean this is kind of what
I have become accustomed to, you know, associating with the Bears.
Speaker 2 (33:38):
You know what I mean, it's my entire life carries.
Speaker 4 (33:40):
So the Lions get the ball back after a punt,
eleven plays, seventy three yards, two minutes, four seconds off
the clock. They go ahead twenty nine to twenty six,
and then you have the ball kicked out of the
end zone safety thirty one to twenty six. Your final
And I say, you got some good wins out of this? Why, well,
you took a loss. You're not going anywhere. A win
(34:02):
does you no good on the grand scheme of things.
All it does is help people that want to stand
for Matt Eberflus. Yeah, that small but committed group, they
might feel better.
Speaker 2 (34:15):
About it a little bit.
Speaker 4 (34:17):
It should I would hope it's nearer to just family
and really close friends and those that he on his
payroll in one to some shape or formed landscapers and whoever.
But for the ownership, maybe they feel a little better.
Speaker 2 (34:33):
Like no, no, no, then we were close.
Speaker 4 (34:35):
Just run out today because look, the Bears, just like
we talked about with the Chargers, they're not sending anybody away, right,
and they're not gonna pay someone to go sit at
their couch and play video games or under their next job.
Speaker 2 (34:46):
They're just not okay.
Speaker 4 (34:48):
So that but maybe you learned a little bit about
justin fields where you feel a little better about who
he is as a player. Maybe again, it's all about
trying to convince yourself because you're trying to read the
tea leaves of the larger scale. And we'll get into
Caleb Williams next hour a little bit after this latest
loss and the latest loss that he took in the media,
(35:10):
you know, by not talking to them, Yeah, which I
think starts to create with a parade of events, a
little bit of a conversation as we get towards draft season,
and maybe you start getting in these mock drafts, maybe
there's other names that start getting a little bit higher
than Caleb Williams. Again, player versus the guy versus the
(35:34):
leader of your team, and all of that conversation. We'll
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(35:57):
not get twisted about this. You're trying to figure out
the best way forward.
Speaker 2 (36:02):
Is it him?
Speaker 4 (36:03):
Is it an option in the draft and starting over
while you're still pretty bear at a lot of your
base positions. Right, So it's a it's a curious time
for the Bears. But in the end, you got the
l you wanted to. You wanted to beat the Lions
because you wanted to shut up Lions fans, no question.
But in the end, it's closer towards your end goal,
(36:24):
which is to have as much AMMO to maybe either
bake those picks or trade those picks.
Speaker 2 (36:30):
Yeah, it's a it's an in house thing.
Speaker 5 (36:32):
It's one of those yes, you're you're an aware fan,
but uh, I think we'd have to revisit this on
the other side of the break because it's
Speaker 4 (36:40):
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