May 9, 2024 • 34 mins
Jason and Mike break down Game 2 of the Eastern Conference Semifinals between the Pacers and Knicks. FS1 NBA Analyst and NBA Insider Ric Bucher joins the show to talk everything NBA! Anddddd RICK CARLISLE IS BEING RIDICULOUS!!!!!!!!!
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Speaker 1 (00:29):
Oh no, I'm levitating right now. I'm fifty feet over
my seat after this game, Are you kidding? No.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
I got a few notes from our friends and fans
in the twitterverse at swollen doome find Jason at how
about a Fresca that are like, hey, you should be
able to go home for the next three plus hours,
you know, because Jason is going to be insufferable. And
I said, you know what, we have to lean into
it because it has been very rare in the decade
we've been on air together that one of our teams
(00:54):
has actually been good.
Speaker 4 (00:56):
You at the Mets, I at the Blackhawks.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (00:59):
And how much do we get to talk Stanley Cup playoffs?
Speaker 4 (01:02):
Not a lot.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
So that's a lot of losing, a lot of sucking
that you've had to listen to us belly ache.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
About the only hockey playoff we had was when Espianimals
dumped out of the Endamy, Yeah no, and then look,
go go back to when the Kings and Blackhawks were
getting after It was a fun rivalry.
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of our our people at five seventy LA Sports, right,
I mean we get on the blowtorch as they call
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We had that run. That's all the way back in
(01:42):
twenty fifteen. That's a long time because the Mets were
the next year, and that's it. That's a lot of losing.
We've won a lot of off seasons you and I
since then, not a lot else.
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there's a big deal with Rick Carlisle to get to
coming up in a couple of minutes, not just about
his ejection, but how really he helped blow this game
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for the Pacers down the stretch. But we promised it,
and I'm being told we can play it down the stretch.
In the fourth quarter, when the Knicks were pulling away
from the Pacers in the final couple of minutes, the
New York crowd started channing blank you Reggie, and then
Josh Hart went over to Reggie Miller to talk to
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him and say something to him. And we're gonna hear
that too. But first we're gonna play the chance. Now, Frostburg,
are you sure we're allowed to play this? Because this
is a big deal, man, Are you sure we can
play the MSG chan for the Knicks against Reggie Miller.
Speaker 4 (02:48):
I'm not. I'm not sure.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
No. See this we're supposed to make me feel better
and say, oh yeah, we're good. Don't worry about it, man,
don't worry.
Speaker 5 (02:56):
I wasn't even supposed to be here today, great audience.
I think it's okay. So you think I don't think so.
I mean, your guys, his name's on the show, yeah, sure.
Speaker 4 (03:07):
Now mine just his right?
Speaker 1 (03:09):
Just you know your name's on it too. I'm just
thinking about my you know, you were. I'm thinking about
my twenty year career here in sports talk radio too,
how much I liked it, and it could be over.
Speaker 4 (03:19):
But you got a hell of a run.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
But you don't blanket the next one. If this is
how I go out, it's how I go out.
Speaker 4 (03:24):
Okay, Well, I mean, now you gotta save that for
a title.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
They gotta get a hunk of metal up if you're
gonna give your career up for not getting in a
series against the Facer.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
The New York City is insane right now, and they're
up to Zip in the Eastern Conference semifinals.
Speaker 4 (03:41):
I mean, comes Smith has two more games to get
this in, Mike.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
They have taken over Sarties for a postgame. Drake put
the Broadway elite.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
I mean, look, this is the best Knick season in
twenty five years. It's the best Nick team in twenty
five years. It shows you out the Knicks run the city.
I mean, when the Knicks are good. Look at this man.
Remember when the Nets tried to make the Nets happen
a couple of years ago with the red Awe. That
was really sweet. Yeah, not even close. All right, So
here is the audio again. Frostburs sold on to your butts. Okay,
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here's the MSG crowd channing at Reggie Miller.
Speaker 4 (04:25):
That's pretty good.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
Okay, good job buyer squad in the back boy getting
it done.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
Okay, all right, I feel okay about that. I feel okay.
I feel okay.
Speaker 4 (04:36):
You can you can relax a little bit.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
I feel okay. Now what about the audio of what
Josh Hart said to Reggie Miller?
Speaker 4 (04:43):
Same thing?
Speaker 1 (04:45):
You think it's okay?
Speaker 4 (04:46):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
We'll see, okay. So let me set this up. So
while the crowd is channing, blank you, Reggie, as you
just heard again, deeven chan.
Speaker 4 (04:57):
Is it gonna be like in Hamilton? That's my wife
if you decided to they did not blank you.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
Woah so uh so Devincenzo shooting free throws. The game's
over at this point, and Reggie Miller is talking. He's
doing analysis, and he's talking about the game and the
team and and what coaches might be saying to their players.
And Josh Hart walks over to tell Reggie Miller what
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the crowd is saying to him, just in case Reggie
doesn't know. The next score thirty nine points THENVA until
thirty four.
Speaker 4 (05:31):
Hess winners.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
What do you think Jay right, there's my voice, So
you're Reggie Miller's saying, what do you think Jay Wright
is saying? Right now? Oh? By the way, Jay Wright, overrated,
should have won at least four titles with Villanova with
these guys, right, seriously. But then Josh Hart you here
come in and say, I think they're saying blank you
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and he goes off. Yeah, Reggie Miller just kind of laughs.
Reggie's a really good sports through this whole thing. Look
he understands. Look, we talked about him last night. Reggie Miller, Yes, overrated.
He owes his entire start him to his rivalry with
the Knicks, and I you know that's so, that's real.
Speaker 4 (06:11):
But you were far more hateful of Reggie Miller's.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
Career because he was like, the Boogeyman is coming, Oh, Boogeyman,
Reggie Miller, that's the worst horror movie ever. Reggie. You
showed up, I'm the Boogeyman and it's like they killed
the Bookman five minutes. But just because they had a mad,
bad actual movie.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
I mean, the concept of the Boogeyman they left five
thousands of years.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
You know what, Reggie Miller's Boogeyman movie was This is
the beginning of the movie. The teenagers all walking into
the into the uh into the cabin and it's nighttime,
and the and the guys there, and you see the
feet of the killer and here's the Boogeyman. Here's Reggie Miller.
He's wearing pacer shoes and pacer shorts and he's got
a big knife for something. He's gonna walk in. He's
gonna walk in, and he sees the one girl in
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the window and she's changing. You're like, oh, what's going on.
He's always going into killer. And he opens up the door.
Speaker 6 (06:59):
The Boogeyman is here, and then fifteen teenagers just chump
up on him with knives and all kinds of web
and all of a sudden it's awe and the killer
is dead in the first two minutes of the movie.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
Roll the credits. This is the worst Boogeyman movie ever.
That's what happened to the pacers of Reggie Miller tonight.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
By the way, Steph Curry has a production company, right,
How has he not made a movie called the baby
Face Assassin on the lead?
Speaker 1 (07:24):
Well, you know, maybe he wants to save that. Yeah,
I mean maybe maybe one man.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
Eventually, you know, the wrinkles are gonna be there, the
hairline's gonna go.
Speaker 4 (07:33):
No, no, people aren't gonna care anymore.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
Yeah, but dude, come on, man, we have AI now
we can. We can turn Steph Curry thirty six years
old and Steph Curry.
Speaker 4 (07:40):
Eighteen at their point.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
You know, he's gotta he's got a wait, Like that's
what never mind?
Speaker 4 (07:44):
I want him to want Harrison Ford cast in that role.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
Steph Curry making the baby face assassin is like when when? When? When?
When the stars is Okay, it's been fifteen years since
I started a movie. Hey, that movie, I mean fifteen
years ago was a big hit. Let's do a sequel
and I can start in a movie again.
Speaker 4 (08:01):
Are you making fun of Ben's Stiller?
Speaker 1 (08:03):
Next fan?
Speaker 4 (08:03):
Because a Lander two? Is that what you're doing there?
Speaker 1 (08:07):
Like that's when that's gonna happen like that, Like that's
like the Fraser reboot that just came out. Hey, you know,
Fraser has been off the air for twenty years and
Kelsey Grammar's not working. Hey, let's reboot Fraser. And I
all right, that's great. That's when then, so you got
to give Steph curry away. He's still one of the
top scorers in the NBA. He does not need to
do baby Face Assassin yet, He's got some time.
Speaker 4 (08:27):
He would have been better than Holy moly.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
Now the Nova Knicks movie. You have to kind of
get out right now because you have no choice, like
hundred percent. But let's talk about Rick Carlisle for a
couple of seconds, and we'll get back to Reggie Miller
because that was just so much fun. Look one of
the things that and look, he gets thrown out of
the game late. He's upset that, uh and a double
dribble call was overturned on Isaiah Hartenstein and there was
(08:52):
no double dribble. Carlyle is upset that the call was overturned.
I'm sure he's still.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
Upset about whistle. He heard an inadvertent whistle.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
Yeah, And I know that he's upset about the call
from the other night and they're losing the game. I
get it he gets thrown out. I understand, like that's
something that's just emotion, that's he's mad, he's seeing it
come down. That's a square garden, is an absolute circus.
So I get him getting thrown out. But what he's
got to own is the fact that his bench controlled play.
When were the Pacers playing great in this game? Yes,
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when Brunson was on the bench. But TJ McConnell was
phenomenal off the bench, right he was coming. How many short,
ten twelve foot jumpers did he hit when the Pacers
needed buckets? He had ten assists off the bench. Obie
Toppen hit four threes in the first half, and the
Knicks had no answer for Obie Toppin. The bench was
playing phenomenal and down the stretch. What happened He went
(09:46):
back to all of his starters and it wasn't enough.
And Jalen Brunson absolutely cooked whoever they put on him defensively, right,
it was like, oh, TJ McConnell's been in my hip
pocket and I'm still scoring forty points. Hey, oh oh,
he's out of the game. Oh great, And Brunson was
cooking in the final five minutes. I mean, the Knicks
closed tonight and Rick Carlo's got to look back and
(10:07):
go I screwed that up, all right, because it doesn't
matter if this is how you normally do things in
the regular season. I understand, Hey, regular season, the bench
plays well, We go to our guys to come back
and close the game. That's how it works. This is
the final few minutes, the fourth quarter of a playoff
game that you need to win to not go down
to ZIP, and you just basically said, yeah, all the
(10:28):
guys that really have carried us tonight, I'm gonna sit
them down. The Pacers starters for the game were minus
seventy nine minus seventy nine the five starters, the four
players off the bench collectively plus forty two, especially tejs.
We're dominating the game, and Rick Carlisle decided we're going
to go back to this and he's got to own that,
(10:50):
Like that's the big question. Hey, you want to be
upset about an inadvertent whistle on a double J Hey,
you know, knock yourself out. But this is what he's
got to own because this is the end of the game.
This is where he says, you know what, I either
got caught up in the game and I got caught
up in doing it how we normally do it. When
in the playoffs, every NFL coach will tell you sometimes
at halftime, you throw out whatever has been working for
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you up until that point because you're not going to
win the game the way you played that first half
and you see changes coming on and that's how you win.
And Rick Carlo's got to own that because that was
the biggest part of the game. When I'm I'm I'm
taking exhaling breaths, when McConnell comes out of the game,
when Toppin's not in the game, because the Knicks had
no answers for those guys and they needed more minutes
because that was when the Paces were playing. Great.
Speaker 4 (11:33):
Well, let's just give it the specificity, right quick, right?
Speaker 5 (11:36):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (11:38):
Topping went out seven to ten, McConnell went out, and
then Shepherd didn't come in until the final three minutes
of the game.
Speaker 4 (11:46):
They accounted for forty one points off the bench.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
Yeah, I mean, he's got he's got to own that. Now.
I what Now, we're gonna hear from him coming up
later on this hour, because he's gonna start speaking in
a couple of moments. But I really want to see
what he has to say. I really would like, does
he own that or does he say the officials are
just ruining this guy? Let me hear if I hear
him talking about the officials, great, because I know that
the Pacers heads aren't where they need to be. But
(12:09):
he's got to own that because that's on him. I mean,
I don't know if you'll get the statue whatever it is,
but you gotta.
Speaker 3 (12:15):
Own that, and you gotta get him to play defense
because they shot fifty seven percent.
Speaker 4 (12:21):
You just gotta be honest about it. They they were terrible.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
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on post game of the Knicks game to win over
the Indiana Pacers, and my goodness. Coming up in a
few minutes, you're gonna hear from Rick Carlile, who is
meeting the media as we speak. And not only is
Rick car Well, I will say this, Rick Carlile doesn't
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seem to be that unhappy about the double dribble called
the inadvertent whistle in the final minute of the Pacers
loss to the Knicks. What he is upset about is
the officiating basically on every other play. Okay, some quotes
from Rick Carlyle quote the double double dribble call at
the end that got overruled, which wasn't a it was
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just an invertent whistle, so they made the right call.
Here is Rick Carlyle some of the stuff he said
about the officiating the first two games of the series.
Take a listen so young referee's explanation when they able
to turn the call later in the first land the
footport of the whistle. You know, one guy just said.
Speaker 8 (14:45):
He didn'dule dribble, But it looked to me like, you know,
Tims went out there and argued and they changed it.
That's what it looked like, you know. So I can
only go by what I see.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
What I what I saw, and.
Speaker 8 (15:02):
Yeah, that's that's that's small beings compared to everything else,
you know.
Speaker 4 (15:10):
But you know, small market teams.
Speaker 8 (15:13):
Deserve an equal shot, No I deserve they deserve a fair.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
Shot, oh boy, no matter where, no matter where they're.
Speaker 4 (15:22):
Playing twenty fifty thou.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
I can feel the desperation oozing through my headset right now.
It's staining me like I like I'm bleeding or something
or I'm sweating. I can feel the desperation off of
Rick Carlisle just oozing through my headset and down my
cheeks and on my arms. I can just feel well.
Speaker 4 (15:44):
I mean on the surface, he's not wrong.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
I mean, the smaller market teams do deserve. Of course
they did. Of the doubt, he didn't say anything wrong there.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
He went on, no, no, no, no, no, come on and
say on their own he is. He is saying that
the gate the games aren't being officiated evenly, and he
says they have twenty nine calls. Apparently they're gonna submit,
let's go, we're missed. Really, so we're gonna talk. You know,
how many calls are missed in a game that you
could call, but they're all being called against the patients.
Speaker 3 (16:14):
The NBA doesn't want you to say that. Come on,
I mean, that's like getting to play in Game three
after throwing you know, a heat pad or a towel
of people. That's like you're saying they egregiously make errors
and missed big things.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
Come on, look, yeah, I mean really, I mean it
in twenty years, is Rick Carlisle gonna be sitting around
and and hey, Rick, how you doing. You know, if
they had called the kickball at the end of Game
one against the Knicks, we would have won the NBA title, really, Rick,
because I think it would have been a tie game
with fifty five seconds left to go. No, No, we
would have won that game. We would have won the
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next game. We would have beaten the Celtics and then
beaten the Timberworlds. We would have won the NBA.
Speaker 4 (16:55):
We would have run right through the Senate, not our
way in the White House.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
Again, it was it was. We would have gone Tuesday.
We would have gotten everywhere. Wow, nice hour, Dean reference.
Very nice.
Speaker 3 (17:07):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
I mean, I get what he's trying to do. He's desperate.
He is absolutely desperate at this point because everything the
Pacers have done, the Knicks have had an answer for us.
Yes they should they have gotten the kickball call. I understand,
Yes they should have. You know what you should have done,
Rick should have kept your best players out there, the
ones who were dominating the game. Should have kept TJ.
McConnell out there. Should have kept Obie Topping out there.
These guys were playing well. I get that he wanted
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to put more scoring out there, but these are the
guys that are that are keeping this. A game where
you have the lead by a couple of points, you decide,
you decide to put the guys out there that sometimes
it's not their night. Look, not every game is created equal.
Not every player, not every starter is gonna have a
great game. There's gonna be some nights where it's, hey,
you know what, tonight wasn't my night. Either I had
troubled defensively, or I couldn't hit a shot, or I
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did just wasn't my night. And that's where you have
to say, Hey, you know who was great tonight were
McConnell and Top and they needed to be in the
game right, clearly, they needed to be in the game.
Wasn't a Pascal Siakam night, right, wasn't a Miles Turner night.
These are the guys that were that were flipping the game.
They needed to be in there. I hope he owns
that part a little bit, just saying, oh, it's not
being officiated that way. You know what, I'm sorry about
(18:14):
the kickball. I'm sorry. I'm sorry about the kickball man.
I'm sorry. And you know what, when you did go
to the free throw line and they called you miss
free throws anyway, so don't tell me how you're terrible.
Speaker 4 (18:24):
There's no question about that.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
You missed all the time anyway. If that would have
been worse for you, if they put you on the
free throw line, the Nicks would have won by twenty.
Speaker 3 (18:33):
What do you really what are really doing at that point?
They were just stopping the clock and for it, you know,
the idea is to stop the clock and hit the
free throws. Fellas, come on.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
We have to make these okay when they put us there,
we have to make them look it's it's he's desperate
and I and I completely understand that. Because there's no
answers right now. Again, I can I maintain does this
series feel like it's over? It doesn't, right, It feels
like this is this is something that can go back
with the Knicks being banged up, and you don't know
the status of Anunobi for game three. You don't know
(19:06):
the status of Jalen Brunson.
Speaker 4 (19:07):
You just wait till Kitlyn Clark starts that race car.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
Dude, we may be playing Caitlyn Clark in game three.
If yeah, you're done, then she can shoot, dude, she
can make shots. No, No, we're gonna play here. Know
the pacers are fine. We're gonna We're gonna go to Indiana.
Go to Kitlin Clark, go, Hey, do you want to
come play for the next Wait? Really, come take some shots. Yeah,
but I really want to play my game. You don't
take those logo shots. It's all good. Don't worry about it.
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Wherever you want, it doesn't matter. She can be honorary Nova,
she can be she can be Nova Kate. It's all good.
It's all good for us. Look, I understand what he's
trying to do, but to sit here and say, oh
my good, Like he's basically saying every time down the floor,
there's a foul. This is now you twenty really twenty
nine calls? You're gonna say this should have been called
(19:54):
that should have been called. The ship whenever you start
counting calls is saying this. I wonder, what do you
really trying to ac comp You're in such a conspiracy
theory territory where the games are happening in front of us.
It's happening in front of all We're all seeing the
same thing. The number one thing about a conspiracy is
you want as little people to know about it as possible,
Like this can't be something that gets out because that's
(20:16):
when people find out about conspiracies. This is something that's
on national television and millions and millions of people are watching.
Speaker 4 (20:23):
Well, where's the best you do it. You're hiding in
plain sight.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
I mean really, I mean really, do we have some
more Rick Carlisle Frostburg, we have some more of him?
Speaker 4 (20:32):
What's that?
Speaker 1 (20:33):
Do we have some more Rick Carlisle? Yeah?
Speaker 5 (20:36):
Here he was on the balcony after the game.
Speaker 4 (20:52):
This is double pain sound proof class.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
That's audio you're only gonna get here. I'll tell you
the Jason Jason Smith Show and Mike Garment live from
the tirag dot com studio. So yeah, Rick Kravey, come on, man,
I could feel it. I could feel how desperate.
Speaker 4 (21:09):
I just that's the all right, I'll take the fine.
Speaker 3 (21:12):
Yeah, you know, kind of saying I'm taking the physical
challenge and I'll take the slip.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
Bigger fine than Jamal Murray then his hundred grand for
throwing the If that's.
Speaker 3 (21:21):
The case, then many should really just start screaming up
and down and he should get one of the roasters
from the Tom Brady thing from Sunday to be his
mouthpiece to take down the commissioner and the NBA.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
Finley did have a good point there, Harmon, because you
know you brought it up earlier, and yes it is.
It is a crazy night tonight with the Nicks win
over the Pacers. But to be honest, right, you go
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It has been awesome and we love doing this. But look, look,
to be quite honest, this whole thing, like in the
last going back to two thousand, Okay, now, I had
two I had I had. I had Syracuse's national championship run,
which is which is which is great? Right, But you're
talking about professional sports. There's been two playoffs where I
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felt like this where I've been this excited about the postseason,
the Mets twenty fifteen and the Knicks right now like
that and that's it, Like like that's it. Mets in
twenty fifteen and the Knicks right now. There's a there's
not a laundry list of Mets playoffs. And I can
look back at, well, you know what, twenty twelve was good,
two thousand and nine was great, two thousand and six
was fun, you know, two thousand and six was awful,
(23:18):
you know for the Jets. For the Jets, the same thing,
like I think of okay, well, the Jets had the
AFC Championship games, but back to back, but boy, that,
you know, that was like a miracle one win they
had to get there. This run just has been so
unbelievably exciting that I can't even say, Look the Jets.
The Jets run back to back AFC title games were good,
(23:38):
and that was so much fun. I could got the
butt being that cluck. Yeah, the butt fumble happened, But
the absolute most fun where it's just felt like it's
this magic carpet ride that I don't know when it's
gonna end, and I'm gonna enjoy it for as long
as it happens. Mets in twenty fifteen, the Knicks right now,
I mean that that's really where it's at.
Speaker 3 (23:57):
No, it's it right, I mean again, the Blackhawks in
twenty fifteen, and then everything else precede you.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
Yeah, here we wrote a crying when the Blackhawks won
the Cup up.
Speaker 3 (24:07):
Some great Northwestern runs, but those games are on Saturday.
By the time we come on Monday, we're we're talking
about the NFL Monday Night Football with one or two
lines about those Northwestern squads in between a couple of
bad years. Uh and obviously the the scandal that that
proceeded this past year, and now they've torn the stadium down.
But yeah, otherwise it's a lot of Hey, we won
(24:29):
the off season. Look at what happened here. This is great.
I mean, how many off seasons did you win as
a Jets fan? And then once the uh the first
started flying, you sucked.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
All we do is win the off season.
Speaker 4 (24:41):
Well, and now the Bears, Hey we've won the off season.
Ye see September Trophy.
Speaker 5 (24:46):
This is on your Mount Rushmore of greatest sporting dude accomplishments.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
Not great lifetime, No, I get not great the second round,
but I got to give them credit for not jumping shit.
Speaker 4 (24:56):
How your teams are? This is the second round? Man?
Speaker 1 (24:59):
Well, well not my whole life, because I have other
big moments. You have. You have the Mets and eighties, So.
Speaker 4 (25:03):
I'm going on way back to eighty eighty six, eight
five Bears.
Speaker 3 (25:06):
I'm still trained on him and Retch Grossman watching friends
play Purple Rain and Louis Pete Man.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
Yeah, this is like a moment in time for the
Knicks where I'm watching people outside the garden screaming how
bad they want the Celtics. I'm like, dude, this series
is I mean, one playoff win. They want the Boston Celtics. Right.
Speaker 3 (25:25):
You know what, that brings me back to being a
kid and going to the old Chicago Stadium with my uncle.
Speaker 4 (25:31):
God bless your uncle. He was drunk off his ass.
Speaker 3 (25:35):
The guy that I showed you, you know that Jethro
Tull album cover that he looked like.
Speaker 4 (25:38):
I'll find the picture that looked just like him.
Speaker 3 (25:40):
But you know, running in after beating the Milwaukee Bucks
and going into the parking lot, people drunk off their asses,
standing on their cars yelling, Pete Boston, Pete Boston. All
of a sudden, my uncle becomes the ringleader. My dad
just stood there laughing, doubled over as this guy became
a hero to the masses outside out of the stadium. So, yeah,
(26:03):
your Knicks fans are now having that moment. Beat Boston, I.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
Know, right, we beat the Sixers in Game one, we
want Boston. I'm like, oh my god, there's two rounds
of play.
Speaker 3 (26:13):
Audi doesn't doesn't matter, it's that that's the goal. That's
the squad. You know, you got to beat to get
to where you want to go.
Speaker 5 (26:21):
And then the rest of this season, they're gonna hang
that we beat the Pacers banner.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
They're gonna hang we were up to zip against the
Pacers before everybody got hurt.
Speaker 4 (26:29):
Banner, that's what you'll beat the Pacers.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
I hope, dude, I'm telling you man, I don't. I also,
I mean we'll be on We'll be on vapors, We'll
be on absolute vapors. If we get this, we get
to the Celtic Celts is going all. They're licking their
chops saying, this is what we're like. We're like been
hand picked to make it to the NBA finals this year.
Everybody is hurt in front of us, even the teams
that are winning or hurt and banged up all what
a what a gift this is to us. Well, also
(26:55):
means they have tons of pressure on them because if
they don't win it this year, they're now we're gonna
win it.
Speaker 4 (27:00):
Well, just think about it. We talked about it.
Speaker 3 (27:02):
The schedule, right, you got game three Friday, Game four, Sunday,
game five on Monday night. So by then it may
be Jalen Brunson against the world and Grimes.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
Exit, yeah, and Hartenstein off the bench. Like we'll start
three and Hartstein will still you off the match.
Speaker 4 (27:21):
My team's out there.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
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Studios where overload of the Knicks win over the Pacers.
We'll hear from Rick Carlisle coming up and a little
bit again, extremely upset over the officiating, not just at
the end of Game two where an inverse and whistle
(28:07):
was overturned and the Knicks kept possession of the basketball.
He's upset overall and all of the call saying small
market teams need a chance to compete. We'll get to that.
Speaker 4 (28:19):
Was he wrong?
Speaker 1 (28:20):
Well, of course they do, but yes, I mean is
this what if if every single call was going the
next way, these games wouldn't even be in debate. So
what he's saying is, basically, the Pacers are so much
better than the Knicks. That the first two games should
have been the Pacers winning by thirty, Right, that's what
he's saying. There's so much better the Pacer winning by thirty,
which is ridiculous.
Speaker 3 (28:41):
Well, I did like the fact that he called out Thibodeaux, especially.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
I mean, what what what Rick Carlis said? Okay, time
like youth basketball, youth soccer.
Speaker 3 (28:53):
You thought you can't let the fans call out.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
Let's get into this right now. What Rick Carlisle's really
upset about? You know, school. We'll get to the m
few minutes a right, Rick Carlisle, he's upset. The officiating
is bad. He gets thrown out after the call tonight,
which is a call everybody is looking at. In the
last couple of minutes of the game, the Knicks had
the lead and the Pacers hit a couple of baskets
to cut into but the nick still had a six
point lead, and Isaiah Hartenstein was trying to dribble the
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ball past half court right the Pacers were pressing, and
there was a whistle and it looked like they were
going to call a double dribble, like that's what one
of the officials was, what we're going to call, and
they stopped and talked about it and said, no, it's
an inadvertent whistle, and the Knicks keep possession. And you
watch the replay, nothing happened. There was no double dribble.
Isaiah Hartenstein was dribbling with his left hand, and so
(29:39):
basically what happened was Rick Carlyle is mad that a
call that his team didn't get, that his team shouldn't
have gotten. He wanted that call. He was so mad
he was yelling at the officials and screaming. He's on
the court yelling what is it's all about? And then
in the press comms you heard him say, well, I
don't know what happened there, but Tom Timbadaut jumped out
(30:00):
on the court and argued it and the call got changed. Okay, yes,
because that's exactly what happened. First of all, you're on
the court further than Thibodeau was. Secondly, there was no call.
It wasn't inadvertent whistle. You're if you want to be upset,
be upset about a call that's something that actually happened.
You're upset to, oh, we should have got the ball
just because the officials blew an invert whistle. I gotta
give us the ball, Like, what are you trying to do? Man?
(30:21):
Like I don't understand. You're just so desperate and out
of control. And I'd rather him just take take ownership
of the fact that a you couldn't beat the Knicks
even though they had a dinged up Brunson and Anacnoby
left the game with an injury, and there's no Mitchell
Robinson and there's no Bogdanovich, and there's no Julius Randall
and you're still down to zen and oh, by the way,
(30:42):
you still could have gone home won one had you
left your bench guys in, because those are the guys
that were playing well. McConnell was playing extremely well, Obie
Toppen was playing well. Your bench was plus forty two.
You started from minus seventy. But let's not focus on that. No, No,
I want to talk about the officiating, and specifically a
call that didn't that my team didn't get. That wasn't
a call I wanted that call. How ridiculous do you
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sound when you're talking about I think we should have
got the basketball just because they blew the whistle, Like
this is how insane this is sounding right now? Out
of Rick Carlile on the Pacers.
Speaker 4 (31:14):
Yeah, I meane a lot of it comes in.
Speaker 3 (31:16):
You think over the course of the two games, preponderance
of evidences that you've gotten jobbed. In this case, the
inadvertent whistle becomes the proverbial straw that you know broke
the camel's back because you think that you got to
whistle an inadvert And it's funny because I was watching
the end of the Champions League game earlier.
Speaker 4 (31:38):
I don't know if you saw this.
Speaker 3 (31:39):
Bayern Munich may or may not have gotten screwed by
an official nar who got a little excitable with his flag,
thereby causing a whistle.
Speaker 4 (31:47):
But that's neither here nor there.
Speaker 3 (31:48):
But for Rick Carlisle, you know, that was the one
where I was finally like, all right, they what are
we doing here? Right? You were able to huddle together,
you overturn this, and you decideed, Okay, it's an inadvertent whistle.
But I think it just speaks to the frustration overall.
One he's not getting the defensive effort that he wanted
on the glass. You know, you could fight all you
(32:11):
want about you know, where there's enough contact to draw
and call the follow or out. That's part of the
frustration that was going on with Denver in Game two
against Minnesota, right where number of times you're seeing Yo
Kitcher or Murray Jostl's like, hey, it's playoff basketball. You're
not getting that call here, right, And that's one of
the things I think the Pacers need to react to too.
(32:31):
Is all right with Josh Hart and Hart and Stein
and company being as active as they are, whistles aren't
going to be free flowing and Carlisle's got to know that.
And if they'd actually hit their free throws that they
did earn, then maybe you've got a different game down
the stretch. But you didn't do that either, So I
think it's just all of that coming together, perhaps in
the moment realizing, oh Obie Topping might have been able
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to give us some stuff, you know, not only as
a rebounding force, but a guy that was hitting the
shots from the outside, and McConnell's energy even though he
seemed to be a good agitator for Brunson to get
him activated, right, I mean, because they got after it
and Brunson suddenly like, I'm not taking from this guy,
and so he turned up a bit after that. But
(33:16):
for Carlisle, yeah, I mean it's two games of all
sorts of frustration, and that call ended up just being
the thing that stands out most.
Speaker 1 (33:25):
Yeah. No, And and I get a lot of the frustration, right,
I get a lot of the frustration from him. But
I just go back to the Sixer series. The Sixers
spent so much time worrying about the officiating. What happened
they went home in six Right now the Pacer doing
the same thing. They're worried so much about the officiating
and not what they should have done to either win
game one or game two, Right, I mean you're gonna
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sit back and say, hey, we're still so upset that
we would be up to nothing if you had given
us that kickball with fifty five seconds left to go
on a tie game.
Speaker 4 (33:56):
Well, it's funny.
Speaker 1 (33:57):
We would have won that game.
Speaker 4 (33:57):
I mean, come on, I mean, you break it down, right.
Speaker 3 (34:00):
We had more offensive rebounds than the Knicks did. The
points in the paint and points off, second chance points, etc.
Like all of those were basically even for this game.
So it comes back down to you allowed them to
shoot fifty seven.
Speaker 4 (34:14):
Percent from the field.
Speaker 3 (34:16):
I don't mean to be a broken record, But you know,
all of that goes out the window if you actually
can rotate enough to you know, kind of get a
little bit of a body on guys when they go
to take what becomes an uncontested jump shot.
Speaker 1 (34:31):
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(34:51):
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Speaker 1 (00:29):
Oh no, I'm levitating right now. I'm fifty feet over
my seat after this game, Are you kidding? No.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
I got a few notes from our friends and fans
in the twitterverse at swollen doome find Jason at how
about a Fresca that are like, hey, you should be
able to go home for the next three plus hours,
you know, because Jason is going to be insufferable. And
I said, you know what, we have to lean into
it because it has been very rare in the decade
we've been on air together that one of our teams
(00:54):
has actually been good.
Speaker 4 (00:56):
You at the Mets, I at the Blackhawks.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (00:59):
And how much do we get to talk Stanley Cup playoffs?
Speaker 4 (01:02):
Not a lot.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
So that's a lot of losing, a lot of sucking
that you've had to listen to us belly ache.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
About the only hockey playoff we had was when Espianimals
dumped out of the Endamy, Yeah no, and then look,
go go back to when the Kings and Blackhawks were
getting after It was a fun rivalry.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
And obviously you know our our affiliation and our love
of our our people at five seventy LA Sports, right,
I mean we get on the blowtorch as they call
it here. But yeah, it's it's not often that the
National Hockey League cuts through and here we have that.
We had that run. That's all the way back in
(01:42):
twenty fifteen. That's a long time because the Mets were
the next year, and that's it. That's a lot of losing.
We've won a lot of off seasons you and I
since then, not a lot else.
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there's a big deal with Rick Carlisle to get to
coming up in a couple of minutes, not just about
his ejection, but how really he helped blow this game
(02:12):
for the Pacers down the stretch. But we promised it,
and I'm being told we can play it down the stretch.
In the fourth quarter, when the Knicks were pulling away
from the Pacers in the final couple of minutes, the
New York crowd started channing blank you Reggie, and then
Josh Hart went over to Reggie Miller to talk to
(02:33):
him and say something to him. And we're gonna hear
that too. But first we're gonna play the chance. Now, Frostburg,
are you sure we're allowed to play this? Because this
is a big deal, man, Are you sure we can
play the MSG chan for the Knicks against Reggie Miller.
Speaker 4 (02:48):
I'm not. I'm not sure.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
No. See this we're supposed to make me feel better
and say, oh yeah, we're good. Don't worry about it, man,
don't worry.
Speaker 5 (02:56):
I wasn't even supposed to be here today, great audience.
I think it's okay. So you think I don't think so.
I mean, your guys, his name's on the show, yeah, sure.
Speaker 4 (03:07):
Now mine just his right?
Speaker 1 (03:09):
Just you know your name's on it too. I'm just
thinking about my you know, you were. I'm thinking about
my twenty year career here in sports talk radio too,
how much I liked it, and it could be over.
Speaker 4 (03:19):
But you got a hell of a run.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
But you don't blanket the next one. If this is
how I go out, it's how I go out.
Speaker 4 (03:24):
Okay, Well, I mean, now you gotta save that for
a title.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
They gotta get a hunk of metal up if you're
gonna give your career up for not getting in a
series against the Facer.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
The New York City is insane right now, and they're
up to Zip in the Eastern Conference semifinals.
Speaker 4 (03:41):
I mean, comes Smith has two more games to get
this in, Mike.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
They have taken over Sarties for a postgame. Drake put
the Broadway elite.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
I mean, look, this is the best Knick season in
twenty five years. It's the best Nick team in twenty
five years. It shows you out the Knicks run the city.
I mean, when the Knicks are good. Look at this man.
Remember when the Nets tried to make the Nets happen
a couple of years ago with the red Awe. That
was really sweet. Yeah, not even close. All right, So
here is the audio again. Frostburs sold on to your butts. Okay,
(04:13):
here's the MSG crowd channing at Reggie Miller.
Speaker 4 (04:25):
That's pretty good.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
Okay, good job buyer squad in the back boy getting
it done.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
Okay, all right, I feel okay about that. I feel okay.
I feel okay.
Speaker 4 (04:36):
You can you can relax a little bit.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
I feel okay. Now what about the audio of what
Josh Hart said to Reggie Miller?
Speaker 4 (04:43):
Same thing?
Speaker 1 (04:45):
You think it's okay?
Speaker 4 (04:46):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
We'll see, okay. So let me set this up. So
while the crowd is channing, blank you, Reggie, as you
just heard again, deeven chan.
Speaker 4 (04:57):
Is it gonna be like in Hamilton? That's my wife
if you decided to they did not blank you.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
Woah so uh so Devincenzo shooting free throws. The game's
over at this point, and Reggie Miller is talking. He's
doing analysis, and he's talking about the game and the
team and and what coaches might be saying to their players.
And Josh Hart walks over to tell Reggie Miller what
(05:23):
the crowd is saying to him, just in case Reggie
doesn't know. The next score thirty nine points THENVA until
thirty four.
Speaker 4 (05:31):
Hess winners.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
What do you think Jay right, there's my voice, So
you're Reggie Miller's saying, what do you think Jay Wright
is saying? Right now? Oh? By the way, Jay Wright, overrated,
should have won at least four titles with Villanova with
these guys, right, seriously. But then Josh Hart you here
come in and say, I think they're saying blank you
(05:56):
and he goes off. Yeah, Reggie Miller just kind of laughs.
Reggie's a really good sports through this whole thing. Look
he understands. Look, we talked about him last night. Reggie Miller, Yes, overrated.
He owes his entire start him to his rivalry with
the Knicks, and I you know that's so, that's real.
Speaker 4 (06:11):
But you were far more hateful of Reggie Miller's.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
Career because he was like, the Boogeyman is coming, Oh, Boogeyman,
Reggie Miller, that's the worst horror movie ever. Reggie. You
showed up, I'm the Boogeyman and it's like they killed
the Bookman five minutes. But just because they had a mad,
bad actual movie.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
I mean, the concept of the Boogeyman they left five
thousands of years.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
You know what, Reggie Miller's Boogeyman movie was This is
the beginning of the movie. The teenagers all walking into
the into the uh into the cabin and it's nighttime,
and the and the guys there, and you see the
feet of the killer and here's the Boogeyman. Here's Reggie Miller.
He's wearing pacer shoes and pacer shorts and he's got
a big knife for something. He's gonna walk in. He's
gonna walk in, and he sees the one girl in
(06:53):
the window and she's changing. You're like, oh, what's going on.
He's always going into killer. And he opens up the door.
Speaker 6 (06:59):
The Boogeyman is here, and then fifteen teenagers just chump
up on him with knives and all kinds of web
and all of a sudden it's awe and the killer
is dead in the first two minutes of the movie.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
Roll the credits. This is the worst Boogeyman movie ever.
That's what happened to the pacers of Reggie Miller tonight.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
By the way, Steph Curry has a production company, right,
How has he not made a movie called the baby
Face Assassin on the lead?
Speaker 1 (07:24):
Well, you know, maybe he wants to save that. Yeah,
I mean maybe maybe one man.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
Eventually, you know, the wrinkles are gonna be there, the
hairline's gonna go.
Speaker 4 (07:33):
No, no, people aren't gonna care anymore.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
Yeah, but dude, come on, man, we have AI now
we can. We can turn Steph Curry thirty six years
old and Steph Curry.
Speaker 4 (07:40):
Eighteen at their point.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
You know, he's gotta he's got a wait, Like that's
what never mind?
Speaker 4 (07:44):
I want him to want Harrison Ford cast in that role.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
Steph Curry making the baby face assassin is like when when? When? When?
When the stars is Okay, it's been fifteen years since
I started a movie. Hey, that movie, I mean fifteen
years ago was a big hit. Let's do a sequel
and I can start in a movie again.
Speaker 4 (08:01):
Are you making fun of Ben's Stiller?
Speaker 1 (08:03):
Next fan?
Speaker 4 (08:03):
Because a Lander two? Is that what you're doing there?
Speaker 1 (08:07):
Like that's when that's gonna happen like that, Like that's
like the Fraser reboot that just came out. Hey, you know,
Fraser has been off the air for twenty years and
Kelsey Grammar's not working. Hey, let's reboot Fraser. And I
all right, that's great. That's when then, so you got
to give Steph curry away. He's still one of the
top scorers in the NBA. He does not need to
do baby Face Assassin yet, He's got some time.
Speaker 4 (08:27):
He would have been better than Holy moly.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
Now the Nova Knicks movie. You have to kind of
get out right now because you have no choice, like
hundred percent. But let's talk about Rick Carlisle for a
couple of seconds, and we'll get back to Reggie Miller
because that was just so much fun. Look one of
the things that and look, he gets thrown out of
the game late. He's upset that, uh and a double
dribble call was overturned on Isaiah Hartenstein and there was
(08:52):
no double dribble. Carlyle is upset that the call was overturned.
I'm sure he's still.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
Upset about whistle. He heard an inadvertent whistle.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
Yeah, And I know that he's upset about the call
from the other night and they're losing the game. I
get it he gets thrown out. I understand, like that's
something that's just emotion, that's he's mad, he's seeing it
come down. That's a square garden, is an absolute circus.
So I get him getting thrown out. But what he's
got to own is the fact that his bench controlled play.
When were the Pacers playing great in this game? Yes,
(09:24):
when Brunson was on the bench. But TJ McConnell was
phenomenal off the bench, right he was coming. How many short,
ten twelve foot jumpers did he hit when the Pacers
needed buckets? He had ten assists off the bench. Obie
Toppen hit four threes in the first half, and the
Knicks had no answer for Obie Toppin. The bench was
playing phenomenal and down the stretch. What happened He went
(09:46):
back to all of his starters and it wasn't enough.
And Jalen Brunson absolutely cooked whoever they put on him defensively, right,
it was like, oh, TJ McConnell's been in my hip
pocket and I'm still scoring forty points. Hey, oh oh,
he's out of the game. Oh great, And Brunson was
cooking in the final five minutes. I mean, the Knicks
closed tonight and Rick Carlo's got to look back and
(10:07):
go I screwed that up, all right, because it doesn't
matter if this is how you normally do things in
the regular season. I understand, Hey, regular season, the bench
plays well, We go to our guys to come back
and close the game. That's how it works. This is
the final few minutes, the fourth quarter of a playoff
game that you need to win to not go down
to ZIP, and you just basically said, yeah, all the
(10:28):
guys that really have carried us tonight, I'm gonna sit
them down. The Pacers starters for the game were minus
seventy nine minus seventy nine the five starters, the four
players off the bench collectively plus forty two, especially tejs.
We're dominating the game, and Rick Carlisle decided we're going
to go back to this and he's got to own that,
(10:50):
Like that's the big question. Hey, you want to be
upset about an inadvertent whistle on a double J Hey,
you know, knock yourself out. But this is what he's
got to own because this is the end of the game.
This is where he says, you know what, I either
got caught up in the game and I got caught
up in doing it how we normally do it. When
in the playoffs, every NFL coach will tell you sometimes
at halftime, you throw out whatever has been working for
(11:11):
you up until that point because you're not going to
win the game the way you played that first half
and you see changes coming on and that's how you win.
And Rick Carlo's got to own that because that was
the biggest part of the game. When I'm I'm I'm
taking exhaling breaths, when McConnell comes out of the game,
when Toppin's not in the game, because the Knicks had
no answers for those guys and they needed more minutes
because that was when the Paces were playing. Great.
Speaker 4 (11:33):
Well, let's just give it the specificity, right quick, right?
Speaker 5 (11:36):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (11:38):
Topping went out seven to ten, McConnell went out, and
then Shepherd didn't come in until the final three minutes
of the game.
Speaker 4 (11:46):
They accounted for forty one points off the bench.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
Yeah, I mean, he's got he's got to own that. Now.
I what Now, we're gonna hear from him coming up
later on this hour, because he's gonna start speaking in
a couple of moments. But I really want to see
what he has to say. I really would like, does
he own that or does he say the officials are
just ruining this guy? Let me hear if I hear
him talking about the officials, great, because I know that
the Pacers heads aren't where they need to be. But
(12:09):
he's got to own that because that's on him. I mean,
I don't know if you'll get the statue whatever it is,
but you gotta.
Speaker 3 (12:15):
Own that, and you gotta get him to play defense
because they shot fifty seven percent.
Speaker 4 (12:21):
You just gotta be honest about it. They they were terrible.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
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on post game of the Knicks game to win over
the Indiana Pacers, and my goodness. Coming up in a
few minutes, you're gonna hear from Rick Carlile, who is
meeting the media as we speak. And not only is
Rick car Well, I will say this, Rick Carlile doesn't
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seem to be that unhappy about the double dribble called
the inadvertent whistle in the final minute of the Pacers
loss to the Knicks. What he is upset about is
the officiating basically on every other play. Okay, some quotes
from Rick Carlyle quote the double double dribble call at
the end that got overruled, which wasn't a it was
(14:20):
just an invertent whistle, so they made the right call.
Here is Rick Carlyle some of the stuff he said
about the officiating the first two games of the series.
Take a listen so young referee's explanation when they able
to turn the call later in the first land the
footport of the whistle. You know, one guy just said.
Speaker 8 (14:45):
He didn'dule dribble, But it looked to me like, you know,
Tims went out there and argued and they changed it.
That's what it looked like, you know. So I can
only go by what I see.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
What I what I saw, and.
Speaker 8 (15:02):
Yeah, that's that's that's small beings compared to everything else,
you know.
Speaker 4 (15:10):
But you know, small market teams.
Speaker 8 (15:13):
Deserve an equal shot, No I deserve they deserve a fair.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
Shot, oh boy, no matter where, no matter where they're.
Speaker 4 (15:22):
Playing twenty fifty thou.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
I can feel the desperation oozing through my headset right now.
It's staining me like I like I'm bleeding or something
or I'm sweating. I can feel the desperation off of
Rick Carlisle just oozing through my headset and down my
cheeks and on my arms. I can just feel well.
Speaker 4 (15:44):
I mean on the surface, he's not wrong.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
I mean, the smaller market teams do deserve. Of course
they did. Of the doubt, he didn't say anything wrong there.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
He went on, no, no, no, no, no, come on and
say on their own he is. He is saying that
the gate the games aren't being officiated evenly, and he
says they have twenty nine calls. Apparently they're gonna submit,
let's go, we're missed. Really, so we're gonna talk. You know,
how many calls are missed in a game that you
could call, but they're all being called against the patients.
Speaker 3 (16:14):
The NBA doesn't want you to say that. Come on,
I mean, that's like getting to play in Game three
after throwing you know, a heat pad or a towel
of people. That's like you're saying they egregiously make errors
and missed big things.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
Come on, look, yeah, I mean really, I mean it
in twenty years, is Rick Carlisle gonna be sitting around
and and hey, Rick, how you doing. You know, if
they had called the kickball at the end of Game
one against the Knicks, we would have won the NBA title, really, Rick,
because I think it would have been a tie game
with fifty five seconds left to go. No, No, we
would have won that game. We would have won the
(16:50):
next game. We would have beaten the Celtics and then
beaten the Timberworlds. We would have won the NBA.
Speaker 4 (16:55):
We would have run right through the Senate, not our
way in the White House.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
Again, it was it was. We would have gone Tuesday.
We would have gotten everywhere. Wow, nice hour, Dean reference.
Very nice.
Speaker 3 (17:07):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
I mean, I get what he's trying to do. He's desperate.
He is absolutely desperate at this point because everything the
Pacers have done, the Knicks have had an answer for us.
Yes they should they have gotten the kickball call. I understand,
Yes they should have. You know what you should have done,
Rick should have kept your best players out there, the
ones who were dominating the game. Should have kept TJ.
McConnell out there. Should have kept Obie Topping out there.
These guys were playing well. I get that he wanted
(17:31):
to put more scoring out there, but these are the
guys that are that are keeping this. A game where
you have the lead by a couple of points, you decide,
you decide to put the guys out there that sometimes
it's not their night. Look, not every game is created equal.
Not every player, not every starter is gonna have a
great game. There's gonna be some nights where it's, hey,
you know what, tonight wasn't my night. Either I had
troubled defensively, or I couldn't hit a shot, or I
(17:53):
did just wasn't my night. And that's where you have
to say, Hey, you know who was great tonight were
McConnell and Top and they needed to be in the
game right, clearly, they needed to be in the game.
Wasn't a Pascal Siakam night, right, wasn't a Miles Turner night.
These are the guys that were that were flipping the game.
They needed to be in there. I hope he owns
that part a little bit, just saying, oh, it's not
being officiated that way. You know what, I'm sorry about
(18:14):
the kickball. I'm sorry. I'm sorry about the kickball man.
I'm sorry. And you know what, when you did go
to the free throw line and they called you miss
free throws anyway, so don't tell me how you're terrible.
Speaker 4 (18:24):
There's no question about that.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
You missed all the time anyway. If that would have
been worse for you, if they put you on the
free throw line, the Nicks would have won by twenty.
Speaker 3 (18:33):
What do you really what are really doing at that point?
They were just stopping the clock and for it, you know,
the idea is to stop the clock and hit the
free throws. Fellas, come on.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
We have to make these okay when they put us there,
we have to make them look it's it's he's desperate
and I and I completely understand that. Because there's no
answers right now. Again, I can I maintain does this
series feel like it's over? It doesn't, right, It feels
like this is this is something that can go back
with the Knicks being banged up, and you don't know
the status of Anunobi for game three. You don't know
(19:06):
the status of Jalen Brunson.
Speaker 4 (19:07):
You just wait till Kitlyn Clark starts that race car.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
Dude, we may be playing Caitlyn Clark in game three.
If yeah, you're done, then she can shoot, dude, she
can make shots. No, No, we're gonna play here. Know
the pacers are fine. We're gonna We're gonna go to Indiana.
Go to Kitlin Clark, go, Hey, do you want to
come play for the next Wait? Really, come take some shots. Yeah,
but I really want to play my game. You don't
take those logo shots. It's all good. Don't worry about it.
(19:34):
Wherever you want, it doesn't matter. She can be honorary Nova,
she can be she can be Nova Kate. It's all good.
It's all good for us. Look, I understand what he's
trying to do, but to sit here and say, oh
my good, Like he's basically saying every time down the floor,
there's a foul. This is now you twenty really twenty
nine calls? You're gonna say this should have been called
(19:54):
that should have been called. The ship whenever you start
counting calls is saying this. I wonder, what do you
really trying to ac comp You're in such a conspiracy
theory territory where the games are happening in front of us.
It's happening in front of all We're all seeing the
same thing. The number one thing about a conspiracy is
you want as little people to know about it as possible,
Like this can't be something that gets out because that's
(20:16):
when people find out about conspiracies. This is something that's
on national television and millions and millions of people are watching.
Speaker 4 (20:23):
Well, where's the best you do it. You're hiding in
plain sight.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
I mean really, I mean really, do we have some
more Rick Carlisle Frostburg, we have some more of him?
Speaker 4 (20:32):
What's that?
Speaker 1 (20:33):
Do we have some more Rick Carlisle? Yeah?
Speaker 5 (20:36):
Here he was on the balcony after the game.
Speaker 4 (20:52):
This is double pain sound proof class.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
That's audio you're only gonna get here. I'll tell you
the Jason Jason Smith Show and Mike Garment live from
the tirag dot com studio. So yeah, Rick Kravey, come on, man,
I could feel it. I could feel how desperate.
Speaker 4 (21:09):
I just that's the all right, I'll take the fine.
Speaker 3 (21:12):
Yeah, you know, kind of saying I'm taking the physical
challenge and I'll take the slip.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
Bigger fine than Jamal Murray then his hundred grand for
throwing the If that's.
Speaker 3 (21:21):
The case, then many should really just start screaming up
and down and he should get one of the roasters
from the Tom Brady thing from Sunday to be his
mouthpiece to take down the commissioner and the NBA.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
Finley did have a good point there, Harmon, because you
know you brought it up earlier, and yes it is.
It is a crazy night tonight with the Nicks win
over the Pacers. But to be honest, right, you go
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You have a lot of choices. And thank you so
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It has been awesome and we love doing this. But look, look,
to be quite honest, this whole thing, like in the
last going back to two thousand, Okay, now, I had
two I had I had. I had Syracuse's national championship run,
which is which is which is great? Right, But you're
talking about professional sports. There's been two playoffs where I
(22:56):
felt like this where I've been this excited about the postseason,
the Mets twenty fifteen and the Knicks right now like
that and that's it, Like like that's it. Mets in
twenty fifteen and the Knicks right now. There's a there's
not a laundry list of Mets playoffs. And I can
look back at, well, you know what, twenty twelve was good,
two thousand and nine was great, two thousand and six
was fun, you know, two thousand and six was awful,
(23:18):
you know for the Jets. For the Jets, the same thing,
like I think of okay, well, the Jets had the
AFC Championship games, but back to back, but boy, that,
you know, that was like a miracle one win they
had to get there. This run just has been so
unbelievably exciting that I can't even say, Look the Jets.
The Jets run back to back AFC title games were good,
(23:38):
and that was so much fun. I could got the
butt being that cluck. Yeah, the butt fumble happened, But
the absolute most fun where it's just felt like it's
this magic carpet ride that I don't know when it's
gonna end, and I'm gonna enjoy it for as long
as it happens. Mets in twenty fifteen, the Knicks right now,
I mean that that's really where it's at.
Speaker 3 (23:57):
No, it's it right, I mean again, the Blackhawks in
twenty fifteen, and then everything else precede you.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
Yeah, here we wrote a crying when the Blackhawks won
the Cup up.
Speaker 3 (24:07):
Some great Northwestern runs, but those games are on Saturday.
By the time we come on Monday, we're we're talking
about the NFL Monday Night Football with one or two
lines about those Northwestern squads in between a couple of
bad years. Uh and obviously the the scandal that that
proceeded this past year, and now they've torn the stadium down.
But yeah, otherwise it's a lot of Hey, we won
(24:29):
the off season. Look at what happened here. This is great.
I mean, how many off seasons did you win as
a Jets fan? And then once the uh the first
started flying, you sucked.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
All we do is win the off season.
Speaker 4 (24:41):
Well, and now the Bears, Hey we've won the off season.
Ye see September Trophy.
Speaker 5 (24:46):
This is on your Mount Rushmore of greatest sporting dude accomplishments.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
Not great lifetime, No, I get not great the second round,
but I got to give them credit for not jumping shit.
Speaker 4 (24:56):
How your teams are? This is the second round? Man?
Speaker 1 (24:59):
Well, well not my whole life, because I have other
big moments. You have. You have the Mets and eighties, So.
Speaker 4 (25:03):
I'm going on way back to eighty eighty six, eight
five Bears.
Speaker 3 (25:06):
I'm still trained on him and Retch Grossman watching friends
play Purple Rain and Louis Pete Man.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
Yeah, this is like a moment in time for the
Knicks where I'm watching people outside the garden screaming how
bad they want the Celtics. I'm like, dude, this series
is I mean, one playoff win. They want the Boston Celtics. Right.
Speaker 3 (25:25):
You know what, that brings me back to being a
kid and going to the old Chicago Stadium with my uncle.
Speaker 4 (25:31):
God bless your uncle. He was drunk off his ass.
Speaker 3 (25:35):
The guy that I showed you, you know that Jethro
Tull album cover that he looked like.
Speaker 4 (25:38):
I'll find the picture that looked just like him.
Speaker 3 (25:40):
But you know, running in after beating the Milwaukee Bucks
and going into the parking lot, people drunk off their asses,
standing on their cars yelling, Pete Boston, Pete Boston. All
of a sudden, my uncle becomes the ringleader. My dad
just stood there laughing, doubled over as this guy became
a hero to the masses outside out of the stadium. So, yeah,
(26:03):
your Knicks fans are now having that moment. Beat Boston, I.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
Know, right, we beat the Sixers in Game one, we
want Boston. I'm like, oh my god, there's two rounds
of play.
Speaker 3 (26:13):
Audi doesn't doesn't matter, it's that that's the goal. That's
the squad. You know, you got to beat to get
to where you want to go.
Speaker 5 (26:21):
And then the rest of this season, they're gonna hang
that we beat the Pacers banner.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
They're gonna hang we were up to zip against the
Pacers before everybody got hurt.
Speaker 4 (26:29):
Banner, that's what you'll beat the Pacers.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
I hope, dude, I'm telling you man, I don't. I also,
I mean we'll be on We'll be on vapors, We'll
be on absolute vapors. If we get this, we get
to the Celtic Celts is going all. They're licking their
chops saying, this is what we're like. We're like been
hand picked to make it to the NBA finals this year.
Everybody is hurt in front of us, even the teams
that are winning or hurt and banged up all what
a what a gift this is to us. Well, also
(26:55):
means they have tons of pressure on them because if
they don't win it this year, they're now we're gonna
win it.
Speaker 4 (27:00):
Well, just think about it. We talked about it.
Speaker 3 (27:02):
The schedule, right, you got game three Friday, Game four, Sunday,
game five on Monday night. So by then it may
be Jalen Brunson against the world and Grimes.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
Exit, yeah, and Hartenstein off the bench. Like we'll start
three and Hartstein will still you off the match.
Speaker 4 (27:21):
My team's out there.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
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Studios where overload of the Knicks win over the Pacers.
We'll hear from Rick Carlisle coming up and a little
bit again, extremely upset over the officiating, not just at
the end of Game two where an inverse and whistle
(28:07):
was overturned and the Knicks kept possession of the basketball.
He's upset overall and all of the call saying small
market teams need a chance to compete. We'll get to that.
Speaker 4 (28:19):
Was he wrong?
Speaker 1 (28:20):
Well, of course they do, but yes, I mean is
this what if if every single call was going the
next way, these games wouldn't even be in debate. So
what he's saying is, basically, the Pacers are so much
better than the Knicks. That the first two games should
have been the Pacers winning by thirty, Right, that's what
he's saying. There's so much better the Pacer winning by thirty,
which is ridiculous.
Speaker 3 (28:41):
Well, I did like the fact that he called out Thibodeaux, especially.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
I mean, what what what Rick Carlis said? Okay, time
like youth basketball, youth soccer.
Speaker 3 (28:53):
You thought you can't let the fans call out.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
Let's get into this right now. What Rick Carlisle's really
upset about? You know, school. We'll get to the m
few minutes a right, Rick Carlisle, he's upset. The officiating
is bad. He gets thrown out after the call tonight,
which is a call everybody is looking at. In the
last couple of minutes of the game, the Knicks had
the lead and the Pacers hit a couple of baskets
to cut into but the nick still had a six
point lead, and Isaiah Hartenstein was trying to dribble the
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ball past half court right the Pacers were pressing, and
there was a whistle and it looked like they were
going to call a double dribble, like that's what one
of the officials was, what we're going to call, and
they stopped and talked about it and said, no, it's
an inadvertent whistle, and the Knicks keep possession. And you
watch the replay, nothing happened. There was no double dribble.
Isaiah Hartenstein was dribbling with his left hand, and so
(29:39):
basically what happened was Rick Carlyle is mad that a
call that his team didn't get, that his team shouldn't
have gotten. He wanted that call. He was so mad
he was yelling at the officials and screaming. He's on
the court yelling what is it's all about? And then
in the press comms you heard him say, well, I
don't know what happened there, but Tom Timbadaut jumped out
(30:00):
on the court and argued it and the call got changed. Okay, yes,
because that's exactly what happened. First of all, you're on
the court further than Thibodeau was. Secondly, there was no call.
It wasn't inadvertent whistle. You're if you want to be upset,
be upset about a call that's something that actually happened.
You're upset to, oh, we should have got the ball
just because the officials blew an invert whistle. I gotta
give us the ball, Like, what are you trying to do? Man?
(30:21):
Like I don't understand. You're just so desperate and out
of control. And I'd rather him just take take ownership
of the fact that a you couldn't beat the Knicks
even though they had a dinged up Brunson and Anacnoby
left the game with an injury, and there's no Mitchell
Robinson and there's no Bogdanovich, and there's no Julius Randall
and you're still down to zen and oh, by the way,
(30:42):
you still could have gone home won one had you
left your bench guys in, because those are the guys
that were playing well. McConnell was playing extremely well, Obie
Toppen was playing well. Your bench was plus forty two.
You started from minus seventy. But let's not focus on that. No, No,
I want to talk about the officiating, and specifically a
call that didn't that my team didn't get. That wasn't
a call I wanted that call. How ridiculous do you
(31:05):
sound when you're talking about I think we should have
got the basketball just because they blew the whistle, Like
this is how insane this is sounding right now? Out
of Rick Carlile on the Pacers.
Speaker 4 (31:14):
Yeah, I meane a lot of it comes in.
Speaker 3 (31:16):
You think over the course of the two games, preponderance
of evidences that you've gotten jobbed. In this case, the
inadvertent whistle becomes the proverbial straw that you know broke
the camel's back because you think that you got to
whistle an inadvert And it's funny because I was watching
the end of the Champions League game earlier.
Speaker 4 (31:38):
I don't know if you saw this.
Speaker 3 (31:39):
Bayern Munich may or may not have gotten screwed by
an official nar who got a little excitable with his flag,
thereby causing a whistle.
Speaker 4 (31:47):
But that's neither here nor there.
Speaker 3 (31:48):
But for Rick Carlisle, you know, that was the one
where I was finally like, all right, they what are
we doing here? Right? You were able to huddle together,
you overturn this, and you decideed, Okay, it's an inadvertent whistle.
But I think it just speaks to the frustration overall.
One he's not getting the defensive effort that he wanted
on the glass. You know, you could fight all you
(32:11):
want about you know, where there's enough contact to draw
and call the follow or out. That's part of the
frustration that was going on with Denver in Game two
against Minnesota, right where number of times you're seeing Yo
Kitcher or Murray Jostl's like, hey, it's playoff basketball. You're
not getting that call here, right, And that's one of
the things I think the Pacers need to react to too.
(32:31):
Is all right with Josh Hart and Hart and Stein
and company being as active as they are, whistles aren't
going to be free flowing and Carlisle's got to know that.
And if they'd actually hit their free throws that they
did earn, then maybe you've got a different game down
the stretch. But you didn't do that either, So I
think it's just all of that coming together, perhaps in
the moment realizing, oh Obie Topping might have been able
(32:54):
to give us some stuff, you know, not only as
a rebounding force, but a guy that was hitting the
shots from the outside, and McConnell's energy even though he
seemed to be a good agitator for Brunson to get
him activated, right, I mean, because they got after it
and Brunson suddenly like, I'm not taking from this guy,
and so he turned up a bit after that. But
(33:16):
for Carlisle, yeah, I mean it's two games of all
sorts of frustration, and that call ended up just being
the thing that stands out most.
Speaker 1 (33:25):
Yeah. No, And and I get a lot of the frustration, right,
I get a lot of the frustration from him. But
I just go back to the Sixer series. The Sixers
spent so much time worrying about the officiating. What happened
they went home in six Right now the Pacer doing
the same thing. They're worried so much about the officiating
and not what they should have done to either win
game one or game two, Right, I mean you're gonna
(33:48):
sit back and say, hey, we're still so upset that
we would be up to nothing if you had given
us that kickball with fifty five seconds left to go
on a tie game.
Speaker 4 (33:56):
Well, it's funny.
Speaker 1 (33:57):
We would have won that game.
Speaker 4 (33:57):
I mean, come on, I mean, you break it down, right.
Speaker 3 (34:00):
We had more offensive rebounds than the Knicks did. The
points in the paint and points off, second chance points, etc.
Like all of those were basically even for this game.
So it comes back down to you allowed them to
shoot fifty seven.
Speaker 4 (34:14):
Percent from the field.
Speaker 3 (34:16):
I don't mean to be a broken record, But you know,
all of that goes out the window if you actually
can rotate enough to you know, kind of get a
little bit of a body on guys when they go
to take what becomes an uncontested jump shot.
Speaker 1 (34:31):
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(34:51):
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