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March 8, 2023 • 37 mins

Mike Harmon and Rich Ohrnberger filling in for Jason Smith discuss Arron Rodgers latest updates on the Jets taking a plane out to meet him in person, Ravens placed the non-exclusive franchise tag on Lamar Jackson, and Pau Gasol celebration night at the Laker Crypto Center!

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Sports Radio Studios. No Smith tonight, And just like Anthony Davis,
I'm gonna gut through four hours of scorching hot talk

(00:46):
radio alongside my guy Rich Hornberger, and we see Anthony
Davis back out on the court here. Rich. They had
an explosion from the big men for Memphis. But you
know what, some points off the bench from Rui Hachimura.
For those that missed it, Anthony Davis took what looked
like a nice jab, a little bit of a right,
a right jab, as if some of my man had

(01:08):
gone to see Creed three. Yeah, the other days, David
Roddy with the quick shot to the head. Well, we'll
see what the league if they have anything they want
to go with. It was called to common fall. But
Davis now back in the game and we're getting ready
to go to halftime with a pretty good battle on
our hands. Yeah. You know, I like basketball in the

(01:30):
NBA as we're closing out the regular season into the
opening round of the postseason, because this is when guys
actually start playing through some stuff. You know, you got
Anthony Davis coming back to the court. I kind of joked,
and I was halfway serious when I said, oh no,
you were serious, And it's okay. Everybody agrees. In football, legitimately,

(01:51):
if you break your nose, you're you're on the grass.
I mean, if you were talking about long sustained drive
within the drive, you know, if you break a nose
in basketball, I mean, see you later. You're gonna be
off the court for two weeks probably, and then when
you come back, you're gonna be wearing one of those
goofy face masks for months. And that's just Look, it's
just the culture. It's the nature of the game. It's

(02:13):
the nature of basketball players. I still think they're incredible athletes.
There are Adonises amongst us. But the reality is the
culture is not one that can be really described as
tough anymore. And that's okay. You know sports, you don't
always have to be like the toughest, the toughest athlete

(02:34):
to be the greatest athlete. I mean, I mean, it's
Lebron James tough. Yeah, there's no question. Is Anthony David
is tough? Yeah, I mean he's shown some toughness. I mean,
but when you compare it to other sports, does it
hold up? Not really? But when they get toward the postseason,
when when teams are fighting the rasses off for seating
at the end of the regular season, Man, that's when

(02:55):
the NBA shines. I wish there was a way to
replicate that urgency all sees and long because I love it. Yeah,
that is the hard part to it, right, and the
think of the children argument. As you know, Rich, We've
had this conversation. It fails with me. I'm worried about
the guys that are buying the season ticket packages. Sorry
to those that only go one game. It doesn't mean

(03:16):
I dismiss them. Just if I'm running an organization. They're
a little lower on the consideration list based on what
they do for my business in terms of pumping in
the cash. But for the players, Yeah, you're in that
hard spot where precedent has long been set. That sixty
to sixty five games is okay. That means an awful

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lot of off nights and a lot of times where
games start to resemble that of the All Star Game,
i e. No defense until the final minutes. That was
the joke on the league for years, and it's only
gotten worse with that reputation over time as load management
has become worse than almost any other four letter word.
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(03:57):
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World Baseball Classic Spring Training. I'm sure you brought your
copious notes on the early returns of the San Diego
Padres When John Rossi joins us here in about fifteen minutes. Rich,
But when we look at the NFL today, we talked
to Lamar Jackson a little bit last hour. We'd be

(04:41):
remiss if we didn't go down the rabbit hole of
everybody wringing their hands and saying, how does he deserve
this money? As related to one Daniel Jones old rule
of thumb, folks, what the market may bear, and it's
not based on what you have done. It's based on
a projection combined with the market and the economic forces

(05:05):
they're in with what they perceive you can do for
the organization and looking around and what your intrinsic value
is to that specific organization. Ie. Other teams may not
value and love you as much as the people that
you're currently playing for. In this case, Brian dabled the

(05:25):
front office and they've got a lot of work to do.
There's no question about it. You tag say Quon Barkley
will see how his world ends up. I've seen him
photoshop to the Bears quite frequently. But with Daniel Jones,
people just keep doing the base box scores stat read
on him, Rich, and look, you don't have to agree

(05:47):
that it's that he's worth you know, this amount of money. One,
it's not your money too, it's also just what the
market was able to get for him at this point
in the cycle as we get things going. So from
Ian Rappaport, who put it out earlier breaking this down
and you alluded to it a little bit earlier, when

(06:08):
you're talking about four years one sixty thirty five million
more and incentives eighty two million over the first two years,
and ninety four million dollars virtually guaranteed as signing with
a first year cap number. And this is key. We're
always playing around and playing fuzzy math here of nineteen
million dollars. Yeah, yeah, I listen. I don't think anybody

(06:33):
needs to worry about how much Daniel Jones is getting paid,
or any quarterback is getting paid, especially when they make
the argument, oh, he's not worth that. I mean, okay, yeah,
I mean, if you put that house in a different neighborhood,
maybe you're right, you know, but the problem is, you're
not shopping for a house in just any neighborhood. You're

(06:54):
shopping for a house in the most exclusive and expensive
neighborhood in the entire world. When you are shopping for
a starting quarterback, a guy who either dabbles in or
is absolutely a top fifteen quarterback in the NFL. You're
talking about paying Beverly Hills housing prices. Now you could say, hey,

(07:14):
look it's a shack. Why are you charging me ten
million dollars for this? You know, this decrepid, you know,
piece of garbage property sitting on a postage stamp of
acreage here in Beverly Hills. Well, you've already answered your
own question because you're buying that postage stamp in Beverly Hills.

(07:36):
When you're shopping in the quarterback neighborhood. You cannot make
this argument, Oh, Daniel Jones, isn't worth it, really, because
when you look around the neighborhood, everybody's getting paid out
the nose. Everybody's getting huge contracts. Everybody's getting paid north
of thirty million dollars a year, whether or not you
earned it, or you deserve it or not. If you

(07:56):
are a competent, if you're a franchise, if you are
starting quarterback, you're gonna make north of twenty five million annually.
And if you're pretty darn good, especially winning a game
on the road in the playoffs, you're gonna get north
of forty probably, So that's the reality of the neighborhood

(08:17):
you're shopping in. I mean, Brian Dabele, the Jets front office,
I'm sure they held their nose as they signed their
end of the contract too, realizing how much they were
parting with. But as a salary cap keats rising year
after year, and it'll continue to with all these new
broadcasting rights deals, Mike, this contracts gonna age extremely well. Yeah,

(08:40):
that's right. That's exactly the point, right, because you saw
the Kyler Murray comparisons to Patrick Mahomes comparisons that people
were wringing their hands when those were signed. In the end,
with the rights deals and these you watch the salary cap.
What did it go up? Eighteen million dollars this year. Yeah,
that's that's the cost of a backup quarterback plus a

(09:02):
couple of buckets of balls. I mean, that's significant growth,
and it's only going to go up again as more
and more players come in on the media rights and
you have all these different announcements of where things going,
still waiting for the official announcement of what Sunday Ticket
does and the infusion of cash that comes there in
it's all about trying to figure out where you're headed

(09:26):
in this process. And again you've got the institutional knowledge
of having worked with Daniel Jones saying all right, we're
getting ready to push something forward, which means they're going
to be very active in the wide receiver market, in
the tight end market, to pair up with Bellinger, who
was pretty good when he was healthy, figuring out whether
Saquon Barkley sticks around and how you navigate that. But

(09:48):
for Daniel Jones, you're building a formula that's not that
unlike Baltimore. So it's only appropriate that we're tying these
two quarterbacks together today when you're going to the old
die hard kind of attitude of the NFL of run
the ball and play defense, and your quarterback just has
to limit mistakes, right, Jones completed sixty seven percent of

(10:11):
his passes to a bunch of guys nobody could pick out. Yeah, yeah,
I mean he was efficient, he was at times, he
was as composed as any quarterback in the NFL. This
is gonna sound ridiculous, and I understand it's gonna sound ridiculous,
but under extreme duress in the regular season, I believe

(10:35):
it was the first time they faced the Vikings, the
Giants quarterback Daniel Jones looked looked like he was a
cool Tom Brady under siege by the defense, like he
just was unflappable. Maybe even Tom Brady's a bad example
these days, because he'll lay down, he'll avoid the hit,
he'll throw the ball at the feet of the defense

(10:56):
to avoid the hit. These days, because he's getting older
and retired. Now we think um more like Joe Burrow.
Like Joe Burrow will take the shot, he'll take the hit,
he will remain completely, completely course correct through an entirety
of a game. And Daniel Jones showed some of that stuff.

(11:18):
I look, I don't know what Brian Dable does to quarterbacks.
I've never been in the room with him, but I've
I've had guys who have been around him talk to
me and tell talk to me and tell me about him.
And he just has a way of explaining things and
a simplicity to his advice and his knowledge that helps
calm down quarterbacks and gets them to maximize their talents.

(11:41):
And so if Brian Dable has the personal belief that
he's in one year, taken Daniel Jones from being kind
of an also ran to a playoff quarterback who's gotten
a road win under his belt. Now then he can
go about the business of helping his team build around
said quarterback, continuing to help him this offseason, and who knows,

(12:04):
maybe the Giants could be one of these sleeper teams
out of the NFC that we don't really see coming
because we're not really talking about him, even though they
were a pretty good team in the postseason. I could
see them making some noise again this upcoming season, because
this isn't a terrible decision, and this really does sort
of cement in place a philosophy in that, in that

(12:25):
locker room and in that franchise, it's like, hey, we
got our guy, now let's go win around him, right
And if it fails, well, they've tied themselves to it now,
haven't they. So I always say when we get into
the draft process, which we'll talk about a little bit
of the combine as the show goes on, Rich, but
you make your bed and eventually the boo birds and everybody,

(12:45):
if it goes south and goes askew, guess what turn
the page. And that's why you signed deals where you're
only into the guy for nineteen million this year on
the cap Hit so you can build around him at
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(14:13):
The Jason Smith Show with Mike Harman weekdays at ten
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me Mike Carmen. Here on a beautiful Tuesday. So much
going on in our sporting universe, including some action from
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(14:34):
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(14:56):
Mike Carmen alongside Rich Ornberger in for Jason Smith. Time
to go out to the hotline talk all things Major
League Baseball. You know him. You love them Fox Sports Radio,
MLB Network, Baseball Insider. Follow them on Twitter at John Morosi,
j O N M O R O S. I leave
out that age because mom said, so, JP, it's the

(15:17):
most wonderful time of the year. How are you, buddy.
We've got the World Baseball Classic back it is. I
am watching it right now from Thai Chung, Taiwan, and
we've got the nasalns in Cuba. I saw a tmusa
here in Arizona today. I saw mookie bests weary. I

(15:41):
am a happy man playing second base. Yeah, it's it's
pretty amazing. The World Baseball Classic for the uninitiated. UM,
what goes down? Because guys kind of it's almost like
fantasy baseball for professional baseball players. You know, they get
to kind of do a little bit of whatever they want. UM.
I know that you've fallen in love with this exhibition tournament,

(16:04):
but pitch it Like, if I am a baseball fan
but haven't typically tuned in for the World Baseball Classic,
why should i, JP? Because it is just as entertaining
as the World Cup. And there are billions of Americans
not watched soccer on a basis all in love, and

(16:27):
this is the same type of events, free and legacy
of the World Cup. But this is the best, This
is the best of our sport. I realize the time
of year is not necessarily what we would expect from
from the Championship of Baseball, because that's usually in the fall.
But this is a unique time of year, just like

(16:49):
the World Cup happened in November and December and we
all still watched anyway. And it's the same thing now
that the baseball tournament, which is it is this edition
will happen here during the month of March. And my
favorite thing is that you get a real flavor of
why the game is played the way that it is
at the major league level. You get that feeling realized.

(17:13):
Baseball is different from Dominican baseball, is different from Japanese baseball,
is different from from Korean baseball. They're all different. They
all contribute to the manner in which we are watching
the game play now in the major leagues and rich
to take it even closer to home, if you have
the padres we just saw on the top of the

(17:34):
first Xander Bogart start an inning ending double play, and
then Jerrikson Profark let off the bottom of the first getting.
So you've got current former Padres everywhere. And again, I
just I am so thrilled that we are seeing baseball
that means a lot right now here in the first
half of March. And I saw a Team USA group today,

(17:55):
guys that Mike Trout, Paul Goldschmidt road on. They have
a title and atal on their minds. Manager Money. All right,
we're gonna put JP on hold for a second, see
if we can't clean up that connection a little bit there, Rich,
But did he sell you well enough? I mean, you're
you're hearing all the heroes. I want to ask him

(18:16):
more about Mookie Betts blind second base. That gets me
kind of excited. And as you broadcast down there at
seven to sixty in San Diego at Ornberger where you
find him on Twitter, that's got to make you a
little bit nervous because now he's gonna have more tools
of the bag and that's gonna open up more opportunities. Well,
I'm really curious because we know that the Dodgers are
having some issues with infielder help. Maybe that's something they're

(18:40):
taking a look at. And maybe this is a great
opportunity for Mookie to brush up on some of those
infielder skills and uh and and get in there and
mix it up for him. You know. The reality is, though,
the culture that's in place in in Los Angeles with
the Dodgers is so impressive. And I'm sure when we
get j he back he'll want to comment on this too.

(19:02):
I think we got him back here. Okay, gad, I
think I got JP. Yeah, we're buddy, buddy, buddy. It's
it's such an exciting time. I got to see Lewis
Robert actually taking it back. Now, if I can get
four hundred and fifty to five hundred of those appearances
and the White Sox instead of him being in the
trainers room this year, everything's great. So so Rich. Rich,

(19:23):
every now and then in our conversation, even as he
hosts the show, as he brilliantly does, Mike will take
on the persona of Mike calling from from Berwin on
the South Side and Homewood philosopher, and he every now
and then laughs into that White Sox mentality. That's just
what happened, Rich, I just I just wanted to make

(19:44):
sure that you were aware of what was happening on
the show. Yeah, he can't help himself. I mean, this guy,
every once in a while he just slides into dub
bear stub bear stuff, bear stuff bear stuff. I use
a dance when I do it too. Rich. Yeah, we
had deep dish pizza in the studio on Friday night,
my friend. So that's well, yeah, we did well. You know,

(20:06):
you were celebrating the rights of spring and I had
to ask I got to go back to the spring
training games because you know the rules. I'm a guy
that likes to poke at him a little bit, just
like my guy Max Scherzer did on Friday. I've been
waiting to talk to you all through the weekend on
that one when he went and he's like, I'll wait
you out as you step out of the box, but

(20:28):
as soon as you're back in. How are we defining reasonable?
Is it one Mississippi to Mississippi because he got called
for a ball he did, And that's that's a really
interesting question. I think that this has maybe one of
the handful of areas that is still left to the
to the umpire's discretion in their own sense of what
they think is fair at this point in time, and

(20:50):
you're right, there is no hard and fast val. I
think that the idea is if the if the hitter
steps out, they want the hitter to be attentive again
to the picture before the pitcher can throw the pitch.
That will likely be defined differently by different umpires, And honestly,
that could be one of the one of the points
of contention that perhaps if we have different scenarios that

(21:12):
involved during the course of the year, where we see
different teams or players trying to get an advantage here
and there with the new rules, that this may be
where the umpires have to try to range things back in.
And I do think and I fully support umpires taking
license to whatever they believe is the fair way to
do it. I'm willing to grant them this much still

(21:35):
of their own jurisdiction in a time in which we're
expecting the automated strike zone may not be that far
away in the future either. So justin Turner, he took
a pitch to the head required scaritches super scary situation,
and I have to admit, after watching it and getting
over the initial shock, because I mean, he was bleeding

(21:57):
profusely from the face. After the hit by pitch, I
had two reactions. One was sympathetic, the other was selfish.
The sympathetic response is obvious. I was feeling like, I
just hope he's okay. I hope his family is okay
after watching that, those are scary moments, and certainly, playing football,

(22:19):
I understand the long term ramifications of head trauma, and
so I hope everything's clear there as well. But then
the selfishness took over, and I was thinking to myself,
if this happens enough over the course of spring training,
an argument could potentially be posed for against the pitch
clock in terms of player safety. Like, you know, you
could start hearing pitchers start saying, hey, look, you know

(22:41):
everybody's blaming us for all these batters getting hit. I
don't have time to dry my hand off, I don't
have time to get my grip right. They're rushing us
through our procedure. This is the first year of this.
If you don't want players getting hit by pitches, you
got to give us more time. Could you see that
potentially evolving into an excuse later in the in the
spring training season, some might make that point on an

(23:05):
isolated basis, and it certainly player safety has to be
something as you're aware of it at all times, I
think when you're rolling out new rules. MLB has has
been pretty thorough about this all the way through the
minor leagues, and I have not really heard of minor leagues,
over the long fullness of time, over a full season,

(23:26):
seeing an increase, a substantial increase, or a meaningful increase
in hit by pitches. I am not aware of that,
and having been one result of the changes at the
minor league level, and I think that as time goes on,
there will be a larger awareness of exactly what it
takes to deliver the pitches on time. So while while

(23:46):
there may be some dear term issues, I think that
we are already seeing pitchers adjusting, and I believe that
that these issues will be much less frequent once we
get I think, really rich, once we get through April.
I really do not believe that the pitch timer is
going to be a massive story game to game. Yeah,

(24:11):
there might be a violation here that decides a game
here and there, but shot clock violations decide basketball games
and appendlings decide football games. It means there are things
that go on that aren't necessarily what we normally associate
with the run of play that I've had tremendously huge
impacts on sporting events, So I think that part of

(24:32):
it will get used to, and I think that the
pitchers themselves will also find a way to get used
to making sure that their hand is ready to throw,
and their arm is ready to throw, the bodies ready
to throw, and that they could do so in a
safe man. I really believe that's going to happen here
in the pretty near term. Jason Spitz Show with Me
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he's like a kid in a candy store as he's
watching Cuba and the Netherlands. I'm sure we'll be live
tweeting throughout the night on this one with his glee.

(25:15):
I got to go back to Friday again. Another rule
one for you, JP. What do you think of the
Red Sox and how many notices went out quickly when
they made the shift against Gallo using the outfielders, but
left the infields infield where it was supposed to be
by the letter of the rule, it was probably inevitable.

(25:36):
So sure, small adjustments there, right, and we were going
to see some individuals taking taking some liberties with what
that meant. But again I think that for me, this
is why we have spring training. We have spring training
so that way we understand and the teams understand what
they can try, what they can get away with, and

(25:59):
what they can And I think we all have to
realize too that when you take the big picture view
here and the umpires now have any ability to adjudicate
what happens on the field in this respect, this is
done with a larger goal in mind. The goal is
to make the game more efficient, more exciting, and bring

(26:21):
in more fans. And this is not done with the
idea that there's going to be bad faith put into
this and people trying to gain the system. That's not
what we're doing here. This needs to be about putting
together a better product that young people and older people
can all get behind and enjoy on a more regular basis,

(26:42):
in a more in a more palatable window of time
because everybody's busy. Now, this is to me, I don't
love any suggestion that that teams are trying to find
an edge. I realize that they're but that's sort of
what teams do. But this was done with a very
specific reason in mind, and it goes beyond the wins

(27:05):
and losses of any given team. And my hope is
that as time goes forward that we will just see
the parties involved, the players and the teams respecting this
rule as it was written and as it was intended
to make this great game even better. JP it's twenty
twenty three, Well we see a Major League Baseball franchise

(27:26):
head to Las Vegas before the twenty thirties begin, Yes,
we will. I don't know when exactly, Rich I think
it's a fair question. I just look at the big
picture and see tremendous potential there, especially if if they
can put a ballpark right on the strip or close
to it. There's there's just a when it comes to

(27:50):
the way that Las Vegas can build things, how quickly
they can build things versus how quickly you can build
something on the water in the East Bay in California.
It's just a fundamentally different question. The econow much are different,
the land use is different, environmental impact requirements are different.

(28:11):
And especially if this is going to take the place
of an older casino potentially that has already closed or
will be closing, then I understand that it helps move
that area forward and it gives one of our more
appealing entertainment destinations in the country that much more of
a connection to the national pastime, which I think will

(28:33):
eventually grow the game. So at the end of the day,
Oakland is clearly on the clock. I hope for Oakland's
sake and for the sake of all the great fans there,
that they find a way to make it work and
to get a new ballpark in Oakland. But I am sure.
I'm sure might be a strong word, but I'll say
I'm very confident that by the early twenty thirties that

(28:56):
we will have a Major League Baseball franchise in Las Vegas, Nevada. JP.
Last one before I let you get back to your peanut,
Peanut and cracker Jack, because there is no s at
the end of that. As you watched the World Baseball Classic,
a player or a team that through the early part
of spring training has made you raise your eyebrown, gotten
you a bit excited. I think it's it's a Toronte

(29:19):
Blue Jays, and even with even with Glad being injured
at the moment, I don't think it's gonna be a
serious thing for him. They've got a lot of young talent,
and I think when you consider how much depth they've
they've already had at the major league level. They add
Chris Bassett, they add Dalton bar Show, they add Brandon Bell,
They're they're ready, They're ready to go. And I think

(29:41):
on the younger side of the Baltimore Orioles are a
really good baseball team. And they've got Cedric Mullins back,
They've got Ruschman back, and this group that's coming up
now Henderson, they have just got so much talent already
coming through the minor leagues. They're one of the very
best farms in the sport. So I've got the Al
East for both of them, Toronto and Baltimore, which means

(30:04):
life could be complicated for the Yankees, the Rays, and
the Red Sox this season. I dig that you got
Gunner Henderson into the show, no question about it. That's
my guy at John Rose where you find him on Twitter.
He's our insider MLB network here at Fox Sports Radio, JP,
thanks for the visit as always, my friend. Enjoy the baseball.
I'll be in touch. You got it, guys, all the

(30:27):
best bike and rich We've got the World Baseball Classic
really all night long, all night long, so just enjoy it.
It's on the Fox Family of networks and I'm thrilled
out of back fire up the linel, Richie. Let's go,
Buddy say Lander, JP, Nah, thank you? Whoa Yeah, Jp,

(30:47):
this is one of his favorite things. I remember at
its invention, at its inception, he was talking it up
and excited. I just look, man, in our lives, you
know this, rich Man, whatever it is that lights people up.
And fortunately, you know, we get to work in sports,
which is what does it for us. I know not
everybody has that ability in their jobs, but hopefully you

(31:09):
get a little bit to immerse yourself in that or
maybe you just bottle a little of what JP was
just laying down with us here on Fox Sports Radio. Passion, Man,
it breeds passion. It's contagious and JP Morrossi's one of
my favorites because He is one of the most passionate
voices on the game of baseball I've ever met. We

(31:29):
will have him speak in Italian next time he joined us.
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(31:51):
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Rich just a fast and furious, a whirlwind of data
and big dollars being thrown about. I feel like I'm
in the middle of a game show at times, pressure luck,
pressure luck, no wammy, no wammy, no wammy. Stop and
then the thing would start laughing at me. If I

(32:32):
were trying to pull that, but one of the stories
that never dies, always breathing a little more life into it,
you know, like so many movie villains that we love
to watch, you know. On the sixth, it was the
twenty fifth anniversary of the release of The Big Lebowski,
solely appropriate that in our text exchange between you, me
and Justin Prostberg. There were a bunch of Lebowski gifts

(32:55):
that started making the rounds. But Tom Brady's career are Mike, Well,
you know what, I'm usually a little on edge. Usually
it's the caffeine this time of night. Well, let's say this, um,
that rug really tied the whole room together. I just
want you to know that nice Marmot did. Clearly you're

(33:16):
not a golfer, so well, that's just like your opinion band. Hey,
justinwell I got you. If I were to give you
three words to describe, you know, where the Lakers are
right now, what would you say? We are back? Baby?
There you go. He added the fourth for an emphasis,
because you got to emphasize that last syllable. Well, pound night,

(33:39):
it is pound night. A lot of emotions. He actually
had a video tribute that included Phil Jackson. Some thought
never he would never retire, but one guy that well,
you can't slam the door shut, or unless maybe he did.
Today Tom Brady. Rich Eisen was on his show telling everybody, Hey,
rumors whispers that Brady's not done. Now, this is something

(34:01):
that I've theorized about a little bit rich to the
How about I put in the papers and I tell
everybody to lead me the blank alone. I go on
with my business, I take some time off, I hang
with the kids, and then if I get the itch again,
I can come back. Meanwhile, you've kind of left. Let
me be instead? Do you rumor conjecture speculation? Quote folks

(34:23):
are saying to keep an eye on Miami. Well, Brady
decided he needed to respond with quote, anyone who thinks
I have time to come back to the NFL has
never adopted a two month old kitten for their daughter. Yeah, well,
here's the crazy thing. Nobody's buying it, because you can.
You can hire someone to take care of that cat.

(34:47):
You know, I mean, like, I get it. He wants
to be playful with this, and maybe there is a
certain level of seriousness that he's taking this retirement. Could
I could easily see that. I think that this retirement
felt more heartfelt than the eight page Instagram post that
we got the first time around. The video of him

(35:09):
sitting on a beach all by himself nowhere special just
sort of seemed like the culmination of a lot of
deep thinking on his own that definitely resonated. But then
you sort of expand the aperture a little bit and
you start to remember exactly where the season left off
for Brady in the Bucks, and where the career then

(35:33):
ends for Tom Brady, the greatest football player of all time,
and you just sort of feel like, does the story
really end there? And that's where the speculation starts. And
then the speculation turns into conversation, and then the conversation
turns into phone calls. And you can't tell me because
I know you would be lying to me if you

(35:54):
believe that. Not a single time throughout the course of
this offseason his agent has gotten on the phone with
front office folks from around around the league and said
things like listen, that's his decision and for now he's retired,
and then everybody else, everybody on the other side of

(36:16):
the phone line goes, wait, wait, but you said for now.
That's right, that's what he told me for he's retired
for now. So until that changes, it's what it is.
I'll let you know if anything changes. Everybody good here, Okay,
talk to you soon, talk soon. Oh, but that's it, right? Hey?

(36:37):
Check in? You know when I'm on check in, I
mean people look for just watching now available to watch
at home eighty For Brady, You've got a post credit
screen scene. Maybe it means something to you, maybe it doesn't,
but he's in no rush, and I even if he's
a diminished Brady. And this is where you get into
the psychology of do you want to go out where

(36:57):
you've truly jumped off the cliff except you don't have
the parachute like cruise with the motorcycle and mission impossible?
Do you want that? Or do you do? You look
at it and go like from a fantasy perspective, he
was still literally TB twelve right, So, and you're watching
all these other clamoring for guys lesser than you, do
you want to go out that way? We shall see

(37:19):
more quarterback talk coming up. Mike Armon alongside Rich Ornberger.
He's in for Jason Smith Smith off on a Darkness retreat,
holding a vigil, trying to get and will Aaron Rodgers
to the Jets. But Willie, we'll talk about it next
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