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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:23):
You're listening to Fox Sports Radio readings. Welcome in hour
or two of the program. Jacked up to be with you.
Final seconds ticking away here on a beautiful close out
on a Christmas Day slate of the National Football League.
Merry Christmas wherever however you're celebrating. Thanks for hanging out
(00:47):
with me and the stinking genius himself. We got his
origin story before he became a supervillain.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
Someone on Twitter just sent me a tweet that said,
you expect us to buy that fake story how you
got started in Vegas?
Speaker 2 (01:02):
Yeah, what did they expect you to do? You can't
put all those lurid details out there and that fleabag
motel you ended up with with the People of the
Night Creatures of the Night. Taken straight from the Rocky
Horror Picture Show if.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
I were, can you imagine trying to break in the
business now or you hey, could you just put me
on the air? Come on, man, that happens all the time.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
What are you talking about.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
Like that? That was our No, crazy, No.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
That's absolutely how it happens a lot here. Or you
figure out a way into a building and you immediately
think you can have a microphone, and sometimes you can.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
One of the guys, another guy they hired was the
Eye in the Sky in Vegas.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
Here.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
He was security and he looked at the cameras to
see if anybody was cheating or anything like that.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
That was That's an important job though. Man, it was
a very huge job, no question about it. Yeah, I
want to know how many guys. As this game concludes,
it's twenty thirteen is your final. The Broncos with another
close out opportunity here in the fourth quarter, the AFC
mirror image of what the Bears have done in dramatic
(02:09):
fashion time and time again. Bo Nick's here with that
rushing touchdown we talked about before he goes one eighty
two to one and one had a passing touchdown to
RJ Harvey. That's good for my fantasy team, not that
you care. But Travis Kelcey in the middle of the field,
I'm questioning how many players have walked up? Can I
get that jersey? Man? Yeah, gotta get that jersey.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
I want to sell it later on.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
Well, that's just it. I mean, that's like having a
nice little, you know, classic baseball card that you just
salt away for a while.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
But you don't think he's going to call it quits
after well, after.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
This, let's talk about this a little bit, shall we
Five catches thirty six yards today, he finishes short. I
think he's third all time right among tight ends and
receiving yardage. You think he needed eighty for this game,
and they're now giving you a shot at Taylor Swift.
I didn't sit and count, and I think that kind
of became a pass a thing this year. And I
(02:59):
don't think people were upset and all in a row
about that anymore. But for Kelsey finishes over seventy receptions,
over eight hundred yards, five touchdowns, obviously a couple of huge,
notable drops that when you're living and dying in one
score of games become the well you died right in
(03:20):
those particular games. But overall, when we look at where
the tight end position is here, and it comes down
to salary cap and coming back and making sense of
your roster, because you have a lot of work to do,
Like that's the one thing coming into this year. They
failed on many levels to really get this team ready
(03:40):
for another run. Duct tape and bandages. You lost some
offensive linemen. You didn't get any better at the wide
receiver position you were wishing it hoping. Doesn't help that
Rashie Rice goes and gets himself suspended for six games.
So you really never get a full run of this
squad as assembled, but you didn't really go find yourself
a big running back option. He got a little bit
(04:02):
of spin from Kareem Hunt, you got a little bit
from Pacheco, but consistently you didn't have a run game.
Hell Patrick Mahomes was their best runner through the first
twelve weeks of the season.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
Right.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
So all of that to say, there's a lot of
changes that need to happen, but he's certainly not the
most problematic thing they have because a choice and the
tight end position on the larger scale, Arnie, there's very
few that are better than him. Right now.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
What he does forget about being better than him. Mike,
he could actually be a plus if he takes a
lot less because he really doesn't need the money. With
his podcast and Taylor Swift and all that, he could
actually take a decrease in pay if he wants to
stick around for another year.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
Then look at you getting into a man's wallet.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
Well I know that, but the only question is, Mike,
what does what does he have for next year? I
know you don't want to go out the way it
finished out for you this year. Mahomes went down with
a terrible injury. You guys didn't make the playoffs. You
certainly don't want to walk away like that, But does
things look really better next year? I mean, if you're
really gonna be honest to yourself, do you still say, Yeah,
(05:04):
Patrick's coulna come back from that injury. He'll be back
in November. We'll be on all cylinders and we're gonna
win the Super Bowl. A guy with his intelligence knows
that it's probably not going to happen. Good chance it
doesn't happen. So if you're going to walk away, it's
certainly not because or if you're gonna come back until
not because you're thinking you're gonna win a super Bowl
(05:26):
or anything like that. Mike Key just because he wants
to play one more year.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
But that's just it, right, Everybody asked motivations. Hell, you
saw the schedule last week and ask me why I
was working today. Yeah, I don't know. I like talking.
I like being with America and the final throws of
their Fantasy Championships. I like talking to you, right, is
that maybe even to believe? But and being with my team, right,
my team's assembled here like the damn Avengers. But it's
(05:51):
it's just the idea of For for Travis Kelsey, what's
the motivation? Are you looking at all time lists? Are
you afraid of what retirement becomes? And not? And I'm
not doing anything to cast dispersions on his relationship with
Taylor Swift and what they've got planned and whatever. I
have no idea he has a whole future out of me.
But he also Yeah, but there's also Arnie the idea
(06:12):
and we you and I have talked to enough athletes
in this building, on these shows and in our lives
that retirement is long. So if you can still play
at a high level and physically, you don't hate the
work to the point where you don't want to do
it like in the off season, if it's the all right,
I'd rather sit and watch a movie instead of all right,
(06:33):
I'm supposed to do this that the other for my
conditioning and well being, Well, then yeah, that it's time
to sit down. But if you still love the grind
to get back to game day and what that juice
is right, because Arrowheads got another couple of years.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
Or maybe he still likes the game day routine, that's
what I mean. Grind up to the up to that point,
but that's just it.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
Maybe there's some concessions that happen in terms of the
off season structure, but when it comes down to it
game day, do you still feel like you want to
and that you can compete at the highest level. I
would argue, barring a couple of plays that are very notable,
I can't erase them. They happen. There's no fixing the
(07:12):
glitch on that that. Travis Kelcey still played some pretty
good football over the course of the year, still made
some big catches for them, still made some big blocks
for them over the years. So like, I'm not a
guy that rips the jersey off. If anything, I want
to put it back on a lot of guys. So
I've celebrated the hell out of Philip Rivers for a
million reasons.
Speaker 3 (07:30):
Also, what is he going to do? I mean, if
you think about it, if you retired, is he just
going to do his podcast full time, get married to
Taylor Swift and go on the road with her.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
Or she's not going back on the road for a while.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
Would she doesn't? Does?
Speaker 2 (07:43):
She just did two years of touring. I have no
idea you would know better than while I was out
and last summer and all the way through that. You
can go watch the six part document documentary on it
on Disney Plus.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
So what does she do now? Then she just takes
some time off released it.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
Out that Yeah, that stuff, but that's done and I'm
sure new music and trying to just reconnect with your
life for a while, right, I mean the last album
she put out was was generally happy. It did not
have the same resonance with people that the angsty I
hate this guy music did. There were some good songs,
(08:22):
It was a pretty good album, but it for all.
Speaker 3 (08:24):
The guys she worked, but for all the guys she
broke up with, I guess her and Travis Travis have
never fought before. How about that?
Speaker 2 (08:32):
Well, let's look, it's all all relative. We all fight,
and we'll get to Steve Kerr and Draymond Green in
about ten minutes here, because I like the Steve Kerr
response to it all, and I want folks to hear it,
particularly as a holiday message that maybe they just overdub
with their voices for future reference and use. But we'll
get to that in a couple of minutes. But just
(08:53):
for for Travis Kelcey, you know, as you said, retirement
is long a right. There's a lot of guys that
two are three years later they get the itch.
Speaker 3 (09:01):
Yeah, but he's got a lot to go. Look, he's
not Philip Rivers, all right, So back down here. I'm
sure he doesn't want to play till he's like forty
four years older or fifty years older or anything like that.
Like I said, he's got a whole life. He's got
to get married, he's got to do the podcast. You know,
he's got so much in commercials and endorsements. He's got
he's got a whole life.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
But it's like the Brady Brady situation when everybody kept
trying to take the jersey off his back whatever went
on with he and Giselle Bunchin. I know she announced
her engagement and there were reports of and what he
posted on the internet and song choices and stuff had
people in a tizzy. By the way, he's calling some
really great games for Fox of late. He's been fantastic
(09:43):
the last couple of weeks. Have actually gotten to to
have audio on and with telecasts a little more frequently
than my normal run arounds on Sundays, and it's like,
I'm impressed with where you're going. And he was jacked
up for that Bears Packers game. But the point I'm
trying to make is as guys get older, it's like
we want rip the jerseys off. You talked about it
last hour. Where's the quarterback play? Right? Right? Philip Rivers
(10:05):
has come out the last two games, and I know
they got drummed by San Francisco. He wasn't the problem.
Speaker 3 (10:11):
Oh no, he was.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
If he could play defense and again could backpedal, he
could play quarterback as well as those guys did. It's
stay amazing.
Speaker 3 (10:18):
You got to get a forty four year old to
play quarterback.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
I'm not saying it's not. That's a whole other developmental
problem that we're having. And look, I've long been the.
Speaker 3 (10:28):
It's you know, I'm sorry, it's not so much a
developmental problem. Tyl alone should have you be able to
throw more than thirty two yards or fifty yards, even
if you have no you know, experience being a quarterback.
But you're just such a great athlete. You should be
able to throw more than fifty yards and look better
than that.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
Well, just remember other guys are getting paid to you.
You're there as the third break glass and in case
of emergency quarterback for a reason. Right, So I.
Speaker 3 (10:58):
Can play the game.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
No, I'm not dismissing it categorically, but the drom off,
the drop off between what the top fifty, we can
we can play this game all you want. In terms
of even starters, there's probably ten guys in the league.
You're like, that guy's your starting I'm like, yeah, that's
not good. Yeah, but you know that coming in.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
Mike, Mike, I could take the starting five, let's say
for the New York Knicks, put him on the bench,
and number six to ten will come into the game.
Play the whole game. You're gonna see guys score twenty
three points, thirty points, in the game. Guys that have
never come off the bench are gonna come in may
play well, maybe not, but somebody's gonna score twenty five
(11:38):
to thirty points and play well. You're like, wow, look
at that guy coming off the bench like that. You
don't have that in the NFL with these quarterbacks. It's
just it's putrid out there. It really is.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
It's we've had it in spots. You've seen guys like
Jacoby Burssett who've hung around the league.
Speaker 3 (11:55):
He's been around a while.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
Well, but he's a guy that's been dismissed and pushed
time in time again. Now he's the unquestioned leader. He
gave guys a bunch of cool Christmas gifts and now
he's King of Arizona and Kyler Murray is either going
to be a dolphin or a backup to Jackson Yard
or a jet or something else.
Speaker 3 (12:12):
By the way, who's your favorite backup quarterback in those commercials?
I do that the one? What's the one who's the
one that does the teaches the kid about life lessons?
The birds and the bees?
Speaker 2 (12:23):
I think that's well, he's gonna start this week, so
no longer that's a starting line up here as Lamar
Jackson with the Great Big Confusion. We got to like.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
I like the the Vito one where they like him.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
Yeah, he had a good run. I mean, Josh Johnson
is setting records for how many teams he's been part
of it? But I mean he's acquitted himself well in spots.
But these are guys that they get a chance for
things to marinate and to jest day a while.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
Look at Flacco. How many teams is he gonna play
for after the age of thirty five?
Speaker 2 (12:57):
Look I do the the Sunday Morning Show with Greg Cosell, right,
the NFL films forty six years this NFL matchup show
at Greg Cosell where you find him on Twitter. He's
said on many an occasion with Joe Flacco, it's the
rest of him that I worry about. That arm will
be good until he seventy.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
He's right about it and.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
He's not wrong. And what Rivers right, and Philip rivers
if he only had a little more arm strength, he'd
be a wizard right now. But it's a lollipop throw
like it was when he retired five years ago. But
his head smarts and what he's able to do in
between the white lines. It has been amazing, right.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
The last thing the goal would be that arm, that's
for sure.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
But that's it. So two weeks ago, you know, Philip
Rivers had them in a position to beat Seattle. Defense
gave it up. This week, defense didn't show up against
San Francisco. There wasn't a whole lot he could do, right.
They traded touchdowns for a while, and then the defense
absolutely laid down all together.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
So it shouldn't get to a point where a forty
four year old who I'm sure gets out of bed
holding his back on a Monday and could barely walk
beating out a guy who's twenty three years old and
just was the star quarterback. And you insert Penn State, Texas,
Michigan wherever he was the star quarterback, and then all
(14:12):
of a sudden, you can't play in the NFL, and
it just looks like it's the first time he's ever
played football in his entire life.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
We've seen that a lot. That is a tale of
the oldest time to go. Steal from all those princess
movies and stuff I've watched with my daughters a million
times and might revisit as I'm getting older. And they
no longer sit. For those that you still want a
little bit of that whimsy that it's you're gonna find
that piece and that dream gonna come true. And for
(14:39):
the veteran guys, you can plug him in. They've seen
every type of defense. Right, the old game slows down.
I think one of the big disservices we do. You know,
we'll make this back about Travis Kelcey to close it
out here in a second, But for the quarterback position
is that we put these guys into games almost immediately. Right.
If you're drafted in the first round, you have to play.
It's like, what if you're not ready? Right? Two? Damn bad?
(15:01):
You sit right, Jordan Love, it took three years. They
had a plan and they stuck to the plan. Now
you don't have to love Jordan Love. He's getting a
lot of hate for the gifts that he gave his
a lineman. I can tell you that right now he's
the Christmas loser amongst quarterbacks, running backs and other people
whose gifts have been disclosed. But he's a guy that
(15:22):
after three years, you look at him, he's efficient with
the football, takes care of business, whether he's up, you know,
he's got concussed in that game against the Bears and
still waiting on final determinations about his availability against Baltimore.
Malik Willis was also banged up in that game. But
you know, you're just looking at a circumstance where guys
are thrust in and they get kicked to the curb. Now,
(15:44):
the first round guys get a second bite at the
apple eventually, and maybe they rise to the surface, but
a lot of it becomes the all right, is another
team going to invest enough and say, Okay, while you
weren't our first round pick, we saw something that we
love and we can let that again. Let it just
state and let it take its time. Or are we
forcing you onto the field where you're no better off
(16:06):
than you were in your last spot, except you changed
colors of your uniform.
Speaker 3 (16:10):
You know, it's interesting that you said an invest I
argue with this with Chris pink on Somenday nights all
the time. I said, now that we have eighteen games,
or we're gonna have eighteen games, And we played now
on Saturday, Sunday, Monday, Thursday, some games on Saturday. You're
starting quarterback. Just can't go eighteen games you're going to
(16:31):
have to plan. And this is where we argue on
load management for quarterbacks. Your starting quarterback should start sixteen
to seventeen games a year. There's one to two games
he's gonna need off, he's hurt, he's banged up. There's
a Thursday after a Sunday game. You play a team
like the Jets out of a Thursday, out of short
(16:52):
notice that you could win with me at quarterback. You
just have to go ahead now and make sure you
have a really good backup who could start a game
or two, or god forbid, even more Mike, if there's
a serious injury, but you need to have a serious
backup because your starter can't go eighteen games anymore. Just
just ge't out.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
Well, I mean, we talked about it for as long
as as old as time, like once upon a time
it was Phil Rivers, the two Mannings, and Brady. Right,
those are the four guys we could say, Okay, barring
something disastrous, we're getting send homes. Well, but I'm saying, like,
this is twenty years ago. We were having the same conversation, right, right,
this is not changed even with the advent of all
(17:29):
these other you know what.
Speaker 3 (17:32):
Went right when Brady went down, the Patriots still went
eleven and five with Castle. They just didn't make the playoffs,
was right.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
So they still had a team, right, a team you
can carry a QB along to finish it here because
you know network clock and all the Travis Kelce thing. Yah,
I'd love to see him come back again. Retirement is long,
so take your time and make your decision. Just don't
do what Frank Ragnow did and wait until long after
(18:01):
the draft to make your decision. I think he should
come back.
Speaker 3 (18:04):
I think he's good for the NFL, and I think
he'll end up asking his brother which way he should go,
if his brother missed it and would like to come back,
or if he thinks he should retire. I think he'll
get some good advice.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
Watching what the offensive line became at times for the Eagles,
I kept waiting for Jason Kelsey to shed his coat
and go run on it. That's what I was taking.
Speaker 3 (18:23):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
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(19:11):
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Speaker 4 (19:14):
Yoh, as everybody knows, we're the hosts of the award
winning Polly and Tony Foodsco Show.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (19:18):
But instead of us telling you how great we are,
here's how Dan Fackrick described us when he came on
our show.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
Quick, knowledgeable and funny, opinionated. You do interrupting our promo? Yeah,
he wasn't talking about you. You took those clips totally
of context.
Speaker 4 (19:34):
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out and beat you.
Speaker 3 (19:38):
Let me put this into context.
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Speaker 2 (19:50):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Jason Smith
Show with Mike Harmon weekdays at ten pm Eastern, seven
pm Pacific. Welcome back in Fox Sports Radio The Jason
Smith Show with Me Mike Harmon. Merry Christmas to y'all
hopefully getting a little time away from the grind or
if you're grinding a way, welcome aboard. I raised my
(20:11):
oversized cup of coffee in your general direction. Friend's family,
all of the good stuff. Check in on your people.
That's the one truism of all of this is that
you know the old It takes a village. No man
is an island. I mean, you watch it and it's
a wonderful life. No man's a failure.
Speaker 3 (20:27):
Who hell you all right?
Speaker 2 (20:28):
Man, woman child? Everybody need everybody needs somebody. That's the
Blues Brothers see leaving no pop culture stone unturned. Minnesota
with a five point lead on the Nuggets here midway
through the second quarter, we'll get to the Nicola Jokic
laugher from his entry, you know, because it's a fashion
runway show when guys show up to arenas anymore or
(20:50):
Stadia as it were. We'll get to Steve Kerr as well.
But earlier today the Detroit Lions were taken down by
Max Brosmer and the Minnesota Vikings. Another wonderful offensive explosion
kind of game, unless it wasn't twenty three ten your
(21:11):
final again. Jamiir Gibbs with his seventeen for forty one
on the ground, two catches, twenty three yards and a
lost fumble in the Fantasy Finals. Jared Goff, also contributing
his own with five turnovers, did throw a touchdown pass
and had one hundred and ninety seven yards Yay, but
(21:32):
they lose to Brozemer and company. Addison with the sixty
five yard sprint and the great dive to the end zone.
Aaron Jones might have come through for you in the
Fantasy playoffs with his fifty three yards and a score.
I see Brianna pumping the fist as we all try
to fight through and win whatever prize is, even if
it's just a feeling good about ourselves, all about straight
(21:54):
cash for some Justin Jefferson four catches thirty yards. He
had a nice pregame Merry Christmas interview, but once once
again a bystander in a passing attack nine of sixteen
fifty one yards. For you, there aren't he seven sacks taken? Yeah,
it was not a clinic of phenomenh.
Speaker 3 (22:13):
Detroit's got to make a whole rebound. You want to
talk about a rebuilt first thing you're gonna have to
do before I even decide whether you want to bring
golf back or not, and you probably do, because quarterbacks
just don't grow on trees. I've brought this up to plank. Also,
you're no longer going to have to have the luxury
of a two running back system with Montgomery Montgomery and
(22:35):
Jamior Gibbs. You just can't have both of them. They're
gonna take out too much, especially with all the money
that you spent with the wide receivers and some of
the defensive guys you've given money too. So one of
them's got to go. You can't have both of them
because they're gonna both end the demanding big money, and
they both deserve big money. To be honest, I think
one of them designed to decide their contract. But you've
(22:58):
got to go ahead and make sure it's a one
back offense. You start there, two you've you did have
a lot of injuries. I don't want that to be
that excuse. But I'm not so sure Goff is really
long for the Lions. I may have to make a
move and go in a different direction, especially with all
these veteran quarterbacks out there, like Murray, like Lamar Jackson,
(23:21):
like Tua or all those an upgrade. Only Lion fans
could tell on that, But I may have to make
a move that way also if it works out that
like that.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
Even when he was performing at his best, there's still
some that kept Jared Goff at an arms distance arm's length,
as it were. He's got one more year on his
deal before he becomes an unrestricted free.
Speaker 3 (23:41):
What about the three I just gave you? Would you
use any of those? Well, of course you'd use Lamar
Jackson over golf, at least I think you would.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
Sure, But it becomes what Murray over golf? No? Well,
I guess it also becomes a question of what are
you doing with your quarterator? Look to to his.
Speaker 3 (23:57):
Remember Sam Darnold didn't look good on the Jets, but
once he got off a bad team, it's a whole
nother story.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
Several times removed chances. Right, the Carolina Panthers had both
him and Baker Mayfield and they're both gone.
Speaker 3 (24:11):
Right, But like a good quarterback. Also, don't be so
sure that you know these guys are like or not
good quarterbacks. They've had bad experiences.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
But you brought up the Jets. That's six degrees of separation.
It took a lot of distance, uh, to get away
from that Geno Smith took a lot of distance. It
wasn't just a hey, they went to the next spot
and excelled.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
Right.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
That doesn't mean to get multiple jobs, doesn't mean that
you can't.
Speaker 3 (24:34):
So did you think Tua and Murray are not going
to excel where they go to next?
Speaker 2 (24:38):
I think I think we may have seen the best
of Kyler Murray, particularly now that you had like injuries.
Speaker 3 (24:44):
I did disagree with that.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
Well, if you're gonna take away the turbo button that
you've used so far and you still have problems in
the red zone passing, look at look at Trey McBride.
How much better a receiver he is statistically and in
red zone and tight situations with Jacoby Brisset over Kyler Murray,
now which I can Kyler Murray apologist, right, I love
watching the guy play, but he didn't see.
Speaker 3 (25:07):
I don't know what to make of Lamar Jackson is
what his two time MVP.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
That's that's what he did for me in the past. Well,
I might sell me a couple of though. But if
we're now concerned about and take whatever you will from
the the Baltimore Sun article right, which is out there,
play don't get out video games late night. They got
to change up schedules whatever. John Harbaugh tried to quickly
(25:32):
dismiss those, and and again it becomes the all right
thing with the guy in the place and anonymous sources
and whatever else.
Speaker 3 (25:38):
I believe the story, by the way, I do believe.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
But everybody was quick to believe that Kyler Murray didn't
do any work Lamar jacks at right. But I'm not
saying that two are mutually exclusive, just saying that some
are quick to dismiss this one. And again, Lamar Jackson
has been fantastic. I take nothing away from what he's done.
But on the same vein with Kyler Murray is the
(26:01):
element of his game where he extended and made plays
with his legs. Is that when is that diminish? Because
remember they've also both been in the league a minute now.
Right now, it's not like a fifteen year because now
we're normalizing these long careers and that's still that's still
not not it for me. Like if I get eight
years of a guy at peak condition, I think I've won.
Speaker 3 (26:23):
Yeah, but to you know, when you have out a
quarterback that doesn't use his legs and every time he
gets hey, you're holding your breath for concussions.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
Well, but that's what I said. He's not even a
consideration for me.
Speaker 3 (26:34):
He can commit as a backup. Let me tell you
some no, no, he first of all two is not
going to another team as a backup. So that could stop.
You could stop with that right now too. He could
be a prayer.
Speaker 2 (26:45):
I was doing the talking of as a guy if
I'm running a team. That was the premise here, right
The premise was if I was running the team, who
do I want? And I'm telling you he would be
my backup as a break glass in case of emergency.
Speaker 3 (26:59):
Let me tell you, the head be a pretty good
quarterback if he went to the right system to the right.
Speaker 5 (27:03):
He was supposed to be in the right system. Well,
oh well, what what you know? He had some pretty
good stats when they went to the playoffs.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
When was that?
Speaker 3 (27:14):
Yeah, the Dolphins didn't have a good record when Toua
was not starting. You understand that, don't you.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
That's fine. That means that they did not have a
backup quarterback ready to play. I mean then, and you
can blame whatever you want on Tyreek Hill being gone.
In theory, Mike McDaniel was supposed to be a wizard
and Tua was supposed to be you know, his next up.
He was supposed to be the Cynthia Arrivo learning at
the feet of whatever her name is, the Wicked, the
(27:43):
the head head of the witches that wants her to
get over madam. Yeah, I can't save im. Sorry, I
figured you're a big Wicked fan. I'm just kind of
going down.
Speaker 3 (27:53):
That I tell you about wicked Witch Glenda or something.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
But whoever, Michelle Yo plays how about that? But just
that idea of for Tua, it's about timing. It's and
at times it works. But if I need him to
drive a football through a wind, if I need him
to make a big throw in a big spot. We
haven't seen it.
Speaker 3 (28:15):
But it's still better than a lot of these backup
quarterbacks that we saw.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
But again, now see you just put the turn back upon.
Speaker 3 (28:20):
Okay, you know what. Okay, that's fine. But I still
think he's like a B minus quarterback. I still think
he's a starter in the NFL. I still think he's
more than just serviceable, and the team can go to
the playoffs with him and maybe even further. Who knows.
It's just that's not gonna happen in Miami anymore, Mike.
It's just the grass is greener somewhere else.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
I like that he's your guy, and that you're standing
for your guy even as you're kicking him out the door.
Speaker 3 (28:46):
Yes, yes, yes, I like the way.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
You're playing on the fence there.
Speaker 3 (28:49):
Well, it's it's you know, it's like breaking up with
your girlfriend, you know, want to being bad that in here,
Go date somebody else. I'm gonna date somebody else, do
and good luck to you. She's a very nice girl
going that fun, very nice girl.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
You really went down a weird path right there. That
was worse than me trying to figure out what Michelle
Yo's name was. Nick again, not that I thought you would.
It's Madam Morrible Morrible. That was the because I started
drifting down Morbius in my head and I'm like, I
know that's not right. That was that other Marvel movie
(29:24):
that kind of came and went pretty fast.
Speaker 3 (29:26):
With Glad you aren't waiting on me for that answer.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
That's well, you know what we got to learn up. Yeah, meanwhile,
you got your Lumberjack shirt on. You're waiting for your
Hallmark moment. We'll do Steve Kerr and his apology that
we should all cut in print coming up in a
few minutes here, but first we'll send it over to
Brianna Mirro with what's happening in our sporting universe? Brianna,
did you win your fantasy game? Or are you on
your on your way to it?
Speaker 6 (29:49):
So it's the Yeah, So championship wise, I had two
players play today. I know everybody's super interested on that,
Aaron Jones and Jamison Williams. Okay, so I am currently
up to twenty nine points compared to my opponent, who's
actually a guy i've notes in second grade. So that's
also a real really weird just sat there for you guys.
(30:09):
But I have a thirty eight percent chance of winning.
So that doesn't look too good.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
You're saying there's a chance. Yeah, And as we've watched
the last couple of weeks, Brianna, NFL's given us a
lot of twist and turns very true.
Speaker 6 (30:22):
So anything is possible, just like anything is possible here
in Denver. The Nuggets are on top of the Timberwolves
fifty five fifty two a minute left to go in
the second quarter. Anthony Edwards did momentarily leave the game
due to a right shoulder injury, but he's back in
the game right now. The Rockets curbs on the Lakers one,
nineteen to ninety six, on Men Thompson to score twenty
six points. Kevin Durant and added twenty five to blocks
(30:45):
and nine assists in the win. The Warriors defeated the
Mavericks won twenty six to one sixteen, and in the NFL,
the Broncos defeated the Chiefs twenty to thirteen. Bo Nick's
one hundred and eighty two yards passing one touchdown and
one pick in the win. Denver is still in play
for the one seed in the AFS. The Vikings knocked
off the Lions twenty three to ten and the Cowboys
feeda the Commanders thirty to twenty.
Speaker 2 (31:06):
Back to you guys, thanks so much, Brianna. As we
watched this game rolling along, Nikola Jokic gave us a
little bit of a laugh as he came to the
arena tonight, Arnie wearing I still haven't tried it, and
it was a picture of Kserito from Taco Bell. He
was also wearing a Taco Bell cardigan. Really now, I
(31:27):
gotta think there's an ad.
Speaker 3 (31:29):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
But famously, when he was drafted, there was a Taco
Bell ad running and his announcement of his draft position
was scrolled at the bottom of the ticker. Never got
a score, Yeah, well no, they did a giveaway last
week celebrating it. So there's a larger marketing plan that
seems to be rolling up here. But for Jokichen company,
(31:55):
coming down to the end of the first half tie
tie game with Minnesota, the end of a long day
of sporting activity, you're probably hitting these seconds on your pie,
grabbing another cup of coffee.
Speaker 3 (32:07):
Or I just want you to know something. If people didn't,
you know, have the TV on or could look it
up on their phone, if we took like a thousand
calls and say, give me the two teams that are
playing in the NBA tonight. It would it would probably
take us a thousand calls to get a winner before
someone said, yeah, I think it's the Timberwolves and the
Nuggets playing that last game. Seriously, if you didn't have
(32:30):
it on TV and you couldn't look it up on
your phone, we would go forever before people would figure
out who was playing time.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
I think there was a lot of teams you'd take
off the map right away that they're not going to
get a marquee call right right, just like Washington won't
get many of those. Next year. In the NFL, they
were over eight in standalone games.
Speaker 3 (32:49):
This year they were bad. They were one of the
there's so many disupport these teams, like the Lions, like Baltimore.
Speaker 2 (32:56):
So what do you want to do? You want to
do the airing of the grievances? Next, you want to
go to We'll kick Steve Kerr for twenty minutes and
we'll do the airing at the grievances like it's Festivus again.
Speaker 3 (33:06):
Good. You want to get into Steve Kerr. I want
to get into that also go ahead, whatever you want.
Speaker 2 (33:09):
Was right coming up next. As we continue here Fox
Sports Radio, I'm gonna put this ship and we're gonna
try to drive straight down the highway. Arnie's gonna want
to get off and get some snacks and some frosty
beverages and whatever. I'm gonna stiff arm him and we're
gonna get down this road. Airing. Get the grievances over
the course of the night. Chime in with those. We
got the overrated movies and things that you can sell
(33:32):
me on that maybe I missed. The other is your
grievances in the sporting universe, if you've got the disappointments,
because Arnie just started to list some of the teams
that got nothing but coal in their socks. I'll also
tell you a fun Christmas movie that you probably missed
where Sanna literally was giving coal out to bad kids
and they put a hit on him. We'll talk about
(33:54):
it as we continue here. It's Fox Sports Radio. He's
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(34:18):
Mike Harmon. Arnie Spanier in for Jason tonight. I've got
the ratings like Santa trying to drive a straight line.
Speaker 3 (34:27):
It's very tough.
Speaker 2 (34:28):
Rudolph over here is really I really wish he was
sitting next to me because then I can pull back
the harness a little bit and get it going. But
we had a full day of NBA and NFL games,
you know for the Lions, and they're faithful. You know,
we're talking about where they're at and Jared Goff and
(34:49):
where he is as a quarterback, like dislike, look, the
roster needs attention. Clearly, losing both your coordinators made a
big deal, even if Aaron Glenn became a guy known
for running up and down the sideline before losing a game,
than anything they did substantively over the course of the year, Arnie.
But a lot of change, a lot of injuries, and
(35:11):
a lot of question marks going forward. And it really,
to me is the parallel of what I witnessed a
couple of years ago. And I think maybe you and
I have talked about this once or twice, but I
bring it back. Audience is always changing. If you're listening
for the first time, thank you. Take us with you
wherever you go on the iHeartRadio app, download it, give
(35:32):
it five stars. If you haven't bought that last Christmas
present for somebody, just borrow their phone from it and say, no,
I don't want to look at your task. No it's
not It's never too late. Maybe they have plans for tomorrow.
Maybe they're going to meet up for a dinner a
couple of days later because the restaurants are all overrun
or closed. True, it's still the holiday season for another
week or two, so I'm still gonna be, you know,
(35:54):
Merry Chris, Merry Christmas, seeing it up until folks decide
to throw bricks at me or whatever. But the idea
being that this looks a lot like the Cincinnati Bengals
of a couple of years ago, right, and a lot
of what's making the round in the postgame was Dan
Campbell talking about the miss in the NFC title game
(36:15):
against San Francisco a couple of years ago, where he
said this might have been our shot.
Speaker 3 (36:20):
And probably was. It probably was a shot, but we
didn't think that at the time. I know Rob Parker
thought that the Lions were going to have a collapse,
and he was right about that. I didn't see that though.
I didn't think, you know, they were going to miss
the playoffs this year. I thought they were gonna actually
win the division. I didn't see the Bears going from
worse the first in that division.
Speaker 2 (36:39):
Well, and as Rob and I have talked about and
we did a little today, it's like, well some of
that is you just like to needle Kelvin and the
people back home in Detroit, and he smiles. You could no,
I believed it.
Speaker 3 (36:51):
And I have a look, how quick you would have
pulled Caleb Williams for not being a good quarterback like
you did with Murray and Tua and all those ways
would have pulled them.
Speaker 5 (37:00):
Come on, man, No, they're in year six and seven.
That's different thing. But still the way Kakey, No, no, no,
that's a.
Speaker 2 (37:08):
False equivalence if there ever was one.
Speaker 3 (37:10):
But look, Caleb Williams did not have as great of
a college career like I thought he was, and you know,
people criticize.
Speaker 2 (37:17):
Him except for that heisman.
Speaker 3 (37:18):
Well, except for that Heisman thing.
Speaker 2 (37:20):
Except for that little Heisman thing. But that sounds I
didn't it.
Speaker 3 (37:24):
When he broke out after the game and he was
crying near his mom and stuff like that.
Speaker 2 (37:29):
You know, well, I mean, look, everybody's examining twenty four
to seven whenever they can get on the players right,
and depending on where you get drafted, things are gonna
get magnified in Chicago thing. If you're not playing well,
you will be the scourge because you've watched it for
how many years. There's only a few years that are
outliers of a quarterback playing well and wins accompanying it.
(37:51):
Otherwise it's a lot of misery.
Speaker 3 (37:53):
Did you know his numbers this year were pretty much
equivalent to Mitch Trubisky, I believe. But but yeah, you
had Mitch Trubisky packed and got out of town.
Speaker 2 (38:03):
Don't say me I was a Mitchell believer. Oh, you
could go back and find find plenty of audio. Yeah,
go back and look at the team that he was
running with. Well, because you'd have people talking out of
both sides of their mouth that they wanted they loved
the coach, but they didn't like him. It's like they
both went to the playoffs together twice, right, exactly, so
figure out where you want to sign, you know, the
(38:25):
credit pie. But he's a backup now, Yeah, he's in Buffalo.
Speaker 3 (38:29):
Yeah, I mean that's okay for now, I guess.
Speaker 2 (38:31):
But well, and he's had his shots. He had a
shot in Pittsburgh, and and look, the lead shill be short.
But that's the thing, right, I mean, how many bites
at the apple do you get?
Speaker 3 (38:40):
I don't know if he really had a fair shot
at Pittsburgh.
Speaker 2 (38:42):
I don't think so either. But but that's neither here
nor there, if that's right, right, he is, he's a
Buffalo and that's where he is. But but when you
look at where where the Lions are, there were a
lot of questions about the line, certainly losing rag now,
losing a leader like that, losing your coordinators. We watched
Philadelphia have that step back right after their big run
(39:04):
a couple of years ago, where they lost coordinators and
then you set it back together, you win a Super Bowl,
and then you have this year which is dysfunctional, but
there's still the you know, NFC East champion.
Speaker 3 (39:14):
I don't know why you have such a step back
after you lose coordinators. I mean, don't every It doesn't
every team just pretty much run the same twenty to
twenty five offensive plays passing plays, but they just mix
it up a little different version. It's not like they're
reinventing the wheel there, Mike.
Speaker 2 (39:29):
No, it's all about the excellence of execution, terminology, getting
folks on the same page, having the consistency on your
offensive line. Right, That's one of the things we can
look at with the Eagles. What's right.
Speaker 3 (39:39):
Nothing to do with coordinators though, No.
Speaker 2 (39:41):
But it changes how you're looking at is like, watch
today's game against Minnesota. You knew they couldn't do anything offensively.
Were they able to run the football? No, it changed turnovers.
I've said that obviously, turnover after turnover, but they didn't
exactly play well without the turnover effect going on there.
But with Caleb Williams, it's, you know, year one of
a new new system. He's under center, play action passing, like,
(40:04):
there's a million things going on there that are different.
But the equivalent I had made was with Cincinnati when
I I went to the Super Bowl when they played
the Rams and leaving a bunch of Bengals fans were like,
it's the beginning of a long run, and I'm looking
at you have that game in the fourth quarter. You're
not mad at all. It's like, I get it left.
You left Cincinnati to come to LA for a couple
(40:26):
of days. But my god, that's man.
Speaker 3 (40:30):
Asked Marino if he had a long run into the
Super Bowls.
Speaker 2 (40:33):
But Jim Kelly got to four of them, he didn't win, right,
So like all of that to say that the expectation
that you were going to stay on top of the world.
Green Bay is always going to be a solid organization.
The Bears, you knew they were going to get better.
Did you think it would translate into a bunch of wins?
Speaker 3 (40:50):
Getting back on top of what?
Speaker 2 (40:52):
Right? You bring in a coach, you change a system, yep,
and you get everybody to buy in to what you're doing.
All right. Coming up next, we're gonna finally to that
Steve Kerr story with Draymond Green. The blueprint that you
take forward into a new year. He's already I'm miking
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Speaker 2 (00:23):
You're listening to Fox Sports Radio readings. Welcome in hour
or two of the program. Jacked up to be with you.
Final seconds ticking away here on a beautiful close out
on a Christmas Day slate of the National Football League.
Merry Christmas wherever however you're celebrating. Thanks for hanging out
(00:47):
with me and the stinking genius himself. We got his
origin story before he became a supervillain.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
Someone on Twitter just sent me a tweet that said,
you expect us to buy that fake story how you
got started in Vegas?
Speaker 2 (01:02):
Yeah, what did they expect you to do? You can't
put all those lurid details out there and that fleabag
motel you ended up with with the People of the
Night Creatures of the Night. Taken straight from the Rocky
Horror Picture Show if.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
I were, can you imagine trying to break in the
business now or you hey, could you just put me
on the air? Come on, man, that happens all the time.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
What are you talking about.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
Like that? That was our No, crazy, No.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
That's absolutely how it happens a lot here. Or you
figure out a way into a building and you immediately
think you can have a microphone, and sometimes you can.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
One of the guys, another guy they hired was the
Eye in the Sky in Vegas.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
Here.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
He was security and he looked at the cameras to
see if anybody was cheating or anything like that.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
That was That's an important job though. Man, it was
a very huge job, no question about it. Yeah, I
want to know how many guys. As this game concludes,
it's twenty thirteen is your final. The Broncos with another
close out opportunity here in the fourth quarter, the AFC
mirror image of what the Bears have done in dramatic
(02:09):
fashion time and time again. Bo Nick's here with that
rushing touchdown we talked about before he goes one eighty
two to one and one had a passing touchdown to
RJ Harvey. That's good for my fantasy team, not that
you care. But Travis Kelcey in the middle of the field,
I'm questioning how many players have walked up? Can I
get that jersey? Man? Yeah, gotta get that jersey.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
I want to sell it later on.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
Well, that's just it. I mean, that's like having a
nice little, you know, classic baseball card that you just
salt away for a while.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
But you don't think he's going to call it quits
after well, after.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
This, let's talk about this a little bit, shall we
Five catches thirty six yards today, he finishes short. I
think he's third all time right among tight ends and
receiving yardage. You think he needed eighty for this game,
and they're now giving you a shot at Taylor Swift.
I didn't sit and count, and I think that kind
of became a pass a thing this year. And I
(02:59):
don't think people were upset and all in a row
about that anymore. But for Kelsey finishes over seventy receptions,
over eight hundred yards, five touchdowns, obviously a couple of huge,
notable drops that when you're living and dying in one
score of games become the well you died right in
(03:20):
those particular games. But overall, when we look at where
the tight end position is here, and it comes down
to salary cap and coming back and making sense of
your roster, because you have a lot of work to do,
Like that's the one thing coming into this year. They
failed on many levels to really get this team ready
(03:40):
for another run. Duct tape and bandages. You lost some
offensive linemen. You didn't get any better at the wide
receiver position you were wishing it hoping. Doesn't help that
Rashie Rice goes and gets himself suspended for six games.
So you really never get a full run of this
squad as assembled, but you didn't really go find yourself
a big running back option. He got a little bit
(04:02):
of spin from Kareem Hunt, you got a little bit
from Pacheco, but consistently you didn't have a run game.
Hell Patrick Mahomes was their best runner through the first
twelve weeks of the season.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
Right.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
So all of that to say, there's a lot of
changes that need to happen, but he's certainly not the
most problematic thing they have because a choice and the
tight end position on the larger scale, Arnie, there's very
few that are better than him. Right now.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
What he does forget about being better than him. Mike,
he could actually be a plus if he takes a
lot less because he really doesn't need the money. With
his podcast and Taylor Swift and all that, he could
actually take a decrease in pay if he wants to
stick around for another year.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
Then look at you getting into a man's wallet.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
Well I know that, but the only question is, Mike,
what does what does he have for next year? I
know you don't want to go out the way it
finished out for you this year. Mahomes went down with
a terrible injury. You guys didn't make the playoffs. You
certainly don't want to walk away like that, But does
things look really better next year? I mean, if you're
really gonna be honest to yourself, do you still say, Yeah,
(05:04):
Patrick's coulna come back from that injury. He'll be back
in November. We'll be on all cylinders and we're gonna
win the Super Bowl. A guy with his intelligence knows
that it's probably not going to happen. Good chance it
doesn't happen. So if you're going to walk away, it's
certainly not because or if you're gonna come back until
not because you're thinking you're gonna win a super Bowl
(05:26):
or anything like that. Mike Key just because he wants
to play one more year.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
But that's just it, right, Everybody asked motivations. Hell, you
saw the schedule last week and ask me why I
was working today. Yeah, I don't know. I like talking.
I like being with America and the final throws of
their Fantasy Championships. I like talking to you, right, is
that maybe even to believe? But and being with my team, right,
my team's assembled here like the damn Avengers. But it's
(05:51):
it's just the idea of For for Travis Kelsey, what's
the motivation? Are you looking at all time lists? Are
you afraid of what retirement becomes? And not? And I'm
not doing anything to cast dispersions on his relationship with
Taylor Swift and what they've got planned and whatever. I
have no idea he has a whole future out of me.
But he also Yeah, but there's also Arnie the idea
(06:12):
and we you and I have talked to enough athletes
in this building, on these shows and in our lives
that retirement is long. So if you can still play
at a high level and physically, you don't hate the
work to the point where you don't want to do
it like in the off season, if it's the all right,
I'd rather sit and watch a movie instead of all right,
(06:33):
I'm supposed to do this that the other for my
conditioning and well being, Well, then yeah, that it's time
to sit down. But if you still love the grind
to get back to game day and what that juice
is right, because Arrowheads got another couple of years.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
Or maybe he still likes the game day routine, that's
what I mean. Grind up to the up to that point,
but that's just it.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
Maybe there's some concessions that happen in terms of the
off season structure, but when it comes down to it
game day, do you still feel like you want to
and that you can compete at the highest level. I
would argue, barring a couple of plays that are very notable,
I can't erase them. They happen. There's no fixing the
(07:12):
glitch on that that. Travis Kelcey still played some pretty
good football over the course of the year, still made
some big catches for them, still made some big blocks
for them over the years. So like, I'm not a
guy that rips the jersey off. If anything, I want
to put it back on a lot of guys. So
I've celebrated the hell out of Philip Rivers for a
million reasons.
Speaker 3 (07:30):
Also, what is he going to do? I mean, if
you think about it, if you retired, is he just
going to do his podcast full time, get married to
Taylor Swift and go on the road with her.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
Or she's not going back on the road for a while.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
Would she doesn't? Does?
Speaker 2 (07:43):
She just did two years of touring. I have no
idea you would know better than while I was out
and last summer and all the way through that. You
can go watch the six part document documentary on it
on Disney Plus.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
So what does she do now? Then she just takes
some time off released it.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
Out that Yeah, that stuff, but that's done and I'm
sure new music and trying to just reconnect with your
life for a while, right, I mean the last album
she put out was was generally happy. It did not
have the same resonance with people that the angsty I
hate this guy music did. There were some good songs,
(08:22):
It was a pretty good album, but it for all.
Speaker 3 (08:24):
The guys she worked, but for all the guys she
broke up with, I guess her and Travis Travis have
never fought before. How about that?
Speaker 2 (08:32):
Well, let's look, it's all all relative. We all fight,
and we'll get to Steve Kerr and Draymond Green in
about ten minutes here, because I like the Steve Kerr
response to it all, and I want folks to hear it,
particularly as a holiday message that maybe they just overdub
with their voices for future reference and use. But we'll
get to that in a couple of minutes. But just
(08:53):
for for Travis Kelcey, you know, as you said, retirement
is long a right. There's a lot of guys that
two are three years later they get the itch.
Speaker 3 (09:01):
Yeah, but he's got a lot to go. Look, he's
not Philip Rivers, all right, So back down here. I'm
sure he doesn't want to play till he's like forty
four years older or fifty years older or anything like that.
Like I said, he's got a whole life. He's got
to get married, he's got to do the podcast. You know,
he's got so much in commercials and endorsements. He's got
he's got a whole life.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
But it's like the Brady Brady situation when everybody kept
trying to take the jersey off his back whatever went
on with he and Giselle Bunchin. I know she announced
her engagement and there were reports of and what he
posted on the internet and song choices and stuff had
people in a tizzy. By the way, he's calling some
really great games for Fox of late. He's been fantastic
(09:43):
the last couple of weeks. Have actually gotten to to
have audio on and with telecasts a little more frequently
than my normal run arounds on Sundays, and it's like,
I'm impressed with where you're going. And he was jacked
up for that Bears Packers game. But the point I'm
trying to make is as guys get older, it's like
we want rip the jerseys off. You talked about it
last hour. Where's the quarterback play? Right? Right? Philip Rivers
(10:05):
has come out the last two games, and I know
they got drummed by San Francisco. He wasn't the problem.
Speaker 3 (10:11):
Oh no, he was.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
If he could play defense and again could backpedal, he
could play quarterback as well as those guys did. It's
stay amazing.
Speaker 3 (10:18):
You got to get a forty four year old to
play quarterback.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
I'm not saying it's not. That's a whole other developmental
problem that we're having. And look, I've long been the.
Speaker 3 (10:28):
It's you know, I'm sorry, it's not so much a
developmental problem. Tyl alone should have you be able to
throw more than thirty two yards or fifty yards, even
if you have no you know, experience being a quarterback.
But you're just such a great athlete. You should be
able to throw more than fifty yards and look better
than that.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
Well, just remember other guys are getting paid to you.
You're there as the third break glass and in case
of emergency quarterback for a reason. Right, So I.
Speaker 3 (10:58):
Can play the game.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
No, I'm not dismissing it categorically, but the drom off,
the drop off between what the top fifty, we can
we can play this game all you want. In terms
of even starters, there's probably ten guys in the league.
You're like, that guy's your starting I'm like, yeah, that's
not good. Yeah, but you know that coming in.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
Mike, Mike, I could take the starting five, let's say
for the New York Knicks, put him on the bench,
and number six to ten will come into the game.
Play the whole game. You're gonna see guys score twenty
three points, thirty points, in the game. Guys that have
never come off the bench are gonna come in may
play well, maybe not, but somebody's gonna score twenty five
(11:38):
to thirty points and play well. You're like, wow, look
at that guy coming off the bench like that. You
don't have that in the NFL with these quarterbacks. It's
just it's putrid out there. It really is.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
It's we've had it in spots. You've seen guys like
Jacoby Burssett who've hung around the league.
Speaker 3 (11:55):
He's been around a while.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
Well, but he's a guy that's been dismissed and pushed
time in time again. Now he's the unquestioned leader. He
gave guys a bunch of cool Christmas gifts and now
he's King of Arizona and Kyler Murray is either going
to be a dolphin or a backup to Jackson Yard
or a jet or something else.
Speaker 3 (12:12):
By the way, who's your favorite backup quarterback in those commercials?
I do that the one? What's the one who's the
one that does the teaches the kid about life lessons?
The birds and the bees?
Speaker 2 (12:23):
I think that's well, he's gonna start this week, so
no longer that's a starting line up here as Lamar
Jackson with the Great Big Confusion. We got to like.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
I like the the Vito one where they like him.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
Yeah, he had a good run. I mean, Josh Johnson
is setting records for how many teams he's been part
of it? But I mean he's acquitted himself well in spots.
But these are guys that they get a chance for
things to marinate and to jest day a while.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
Look at Flacco. How many teams is he gonna play
for after the age of thirty five?
Speaker 2 (12:57):
Look I do the the Sunday Morning Show with Greg Cosell, right,
the NFL films forty six years this NFL matchup show
at Greg Cosell where you find him on Twitter. He's
said on many an occasion with Joe Flacco, it's the
rest of him that I worry about. That arm will
be good until he seventy.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
He's right about it and.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
He's not wrong. And what Rivers right, and Philip rivers
if he only had a little more arm strength, he'd
be a wizard right now. But it's a lollipop throw
like it was when he retired five years ago. But
his head smarts and what he's able to do in
between the white lines. It has been amazing, right.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
The last thing the goal would be that arm, that's
for sure.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
But that's it. So two weeks ago, you know, Philip
Rivers had them in a position to beat Seattle. Defense
gave it up. This week, defense didn't show up against
San Francisco. There wasn't a whole lot he could do, right.
They traded touchdowns for a while, and then the defense
absolutely laid down all together.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
So it shouldn't get to a point where a forty
four year old who I'm sure gets out of bed
holding his back on a Monday and could barely walk
beating out a guy who's twenty three years old and
just was the star quarterback. And you insert Penn State, Texas,
Michigan wherever he was the star quarterback, and then all
(14:12):
of a sudden, you can't play in the NFL, and
it just looks like it's the first time he's ever
played football in his entire life.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
We've seen that a lot. That is a tale of
the oldest time to go. Steal from all those princess
movies and stuff I've watched with my daughters a million
times and might revisit as I'm getting older. And they
no longer sit. For those that you still want a
little bit of that whimsy that it's you're gonna find
that piece and that dream gonna come true. And for
(14:39):
the veteran guys, you can plug him in. They've seen
every type of defense. Right, the old game slows down.
I think one of the big disservices we do. You know,
we'll make this back about Travis Kelcey to close it
out here in a second, But for the quarterback position
is that we put these guys into games almost immediately. Right.
If you're drafted in the first round, you have to play.
It's like, what if you're not ready? Right? Two? Damn bad?
(15:01):
You sit right, Jordan Love, it took three years. They
had a plan and they stuck to the plan. Now
you don't have to love Jordan Love. He's getting a
lot of hate for the gifts that he gave his
a lineman. I can tell you that right now he's
the Christmas loser amongst quarterbacks, running backs and other people
whose gifts have been disclosed. But he's a guy that
(15:22):
after three years, you look at him, he's efficient with
the football, takes care of business, whether he's up, you know,
he's got concussed in that game against the Bears and
still waiting on final determinations about his availability against Baltimore.
Malik Willis was also banged up in that game. But
you know, you're just looking at a circumstance where guys
are thrust in and they get kicked to the curb. Now,
(15:44):
the first round guys get a second bite at the
apple eventually, and maybe they rise to the surface, but
a lot of it becomes the all right, is another
team going to invest enough and say, Okay, while you
weren't our first round pick, we saw something that we
love and we can let that again. Let it just
state and let it take its time. Or are we
forcing you onto the field where you're no better off
(16:06):
than you were in your last spot, except you changed
colors of your uniform.
Speaker 3 (16:10):
You know, it's interesting that you said an invest I
argue with this with Chris pink on Somenday nights all
the time. I said, now that we have eighteen games,
or we're gonna have eighteen games, And we played now
on Saturday, Sunday, Monday, Thursday, some games on Saturday. You're
starting quarterback. Just can't go eighteen games you're going to
(16:31):
have to plan. And this is where we argue on
load management for quarterbacks. Your starting quarterback should start sixteen
to seventeen games a year. There's one to two games
he's gonna need off, he's hurt, he's banged up. There's
a Thursday after a Sunday game. You play a team
like the Jets out of a Thursday, out of short
(16:52):
notice that you could win with me at quarterback. You
just have to go ahead now and make sure you
have a really good backup who could start a game
or two, or god forbid, even more Mike, if there's
a serious injury, but you need to have a serious
backup because your starter can't go eighteen games anymore. Just
just ge't out.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
Well, I mean, we talked about it for as long
as as old as time, like once upon a time
it was Phil Rivers, the two Mannings, and Brady. Right,
those are the four guys we could say, Okay, barring
something disastrous, we're getting send homes. Well, but I'm saying, like,
this is twenty years ago. We were having the same conversation, right, right,
this is not changed even with the advent of all
(17:29):
these other you know what.
Speaker 3 (17:32):
Went right when Brady went down, the Patriots still went
eleven and five with Castle. They just didn't make the playoffs,
was right.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
So they still had a team, right, a team you
can carry a QB along to finish it here because
you know network clock and all the Travis Kelce thing. Yah,
I'd love to see him come back again. Retirement is long,
so take your time and make your decision. Just don't
do what Frank Ragnow did and wait until long after
(18:01):
the draft to make your decision. I think he should
come back.
Speaker 3 (18:04):
I think he's good for the NFL, and I think
he'll end up asking his brother which way he should go,
if his brother missed it and would like to come back,
or if he thinks he should retire. I think he'll
get some good advice.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
Watching what the offensive line became at times for the Eagles,
I kept waiting for Jason Kelsey to shed his coat
and go run on it. That's what I was taking.
Speaker 3 (18:23):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
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Speaker 4 (19:14):
Yoh, as everybody knows, we're the hosts of the award
winning Polly and Tony Foodsco Show.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
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Speaker 4 (19:18):
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here's how Dan Fackrick described us when he came on
our show.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
Quick, knowledgeable and funny, opinionated. You do interrupting our promo? Yeah,
he wasn't talking about you. You took those clips totally
of context.
Speaker 4 (19:34):
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out and beat you.
Speaker 3 (19:38):
Let me put this into context.
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Speaker 2 (19:50):
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(20:11):
oversized cup of coffee in your general direction. Friend's family,
all of the good stuff. Check in on your people.
That's the one truism of all of this is that
you know the old It takes a village. No man
is an island. I mean, you watch it and it's
a wonderful life. No man's a failure.
Speaker 3 (20:27):
Who hell you all right?
Speaker 2 (20:28):
Man, woman child? Everybody need everybody needs somebody. That's the
Blues Brothers see leaving no pop culture stone unturned. Minnesota
with a five point lead on the Nuggets here midway
through the second quarter, we'll get to the Nicola Jokic
laugher from his entry, you know, because it's a fashion
runway show when guys show up to arenas anymore or
(20:50):
Stadia as it were. We'll get to Steve Kerr as well.
But earlier today the Detroit Lions were taken down by
Max Brosmer and the Minnesota Vikings. Another wonderful offensive explosion
kind of game, unless it wasn't twenty three ten your
(21:11):
final again. Jamiir Gibbs with his seventeen for forty one
on the ground, two catches, twenty three yards and a
lost fumble in the Fantasy Finals. Jared Goff, also contributing
his own with five turnovers, did throw a touchdown pass
and had one hundred and ninety seven yards Yay, but
(21:32):
they lose to Brozemer and company. Addison with the sixty
five yard sprint and the great dive to the end zone.
Aaron Jones might have come through for you in the
Fantasy playoffs with his fifty three yards and a score.
I see Brianna pumping the fist as we all try
to fight through and win whatever prize is, even if
it's just a feeling good about ourselves, all about straight
(21:54):
cash for some Justin Jefferson four catches thirty yards. He
had a nice pregame Merry Christmas interview, but once once
again a bystander in a passing attack nine of sixteen
fifty one yards. For you, there aren't he seven sacks taken? Yeah,
it was not a clinic of phenomenh.
Speaker 3 (22:13):
Detroit's got to make a whole rebound. You want to
talk about a rebuilt first thing you're gonna have to
do before I even decide whether you want to bring
golf back or not, and you probably do, because quarterbacks
just don't grow on trees. I've brought this up to plank. Also,
you're no longer going to have to have the luxury
of a two running back system with Montgomery Montgomery and
(22:35):
Jamior Gibbs. You just can't have both of them. They're
gonna take out too much, especially with all the money
that you spent with the wide receivers and some of
the defensive guys you've given money too. So one of
them's got to go. You can't have both of them
because they're gonna both end the demanding big money, and
they both deserve big money. To be honest, I think
one of them designed to decide their contract. But you've
(22:58):
got to go ahead and make sure it's a one
back offense. You start there, two you've you did have
a lot of injuries. I don't want that to be
that excuse. But I'm not so sure Goff is really
long for the Lions. I may have to make a
move and go in a different direction, especially with all
these veteran quarterbacks out there, like Murray, like Lamar Jackson,
(23:21):
like Tua or all those an upgrade. Only Lion fans
could tell on that, But I may have to make
a move that way also if it works out that
like that.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
Even when he was performing at his best, there's still
some that kept Jared Goff at an arms distance arm's length,
as it were. He's got one more year on his
deal before he becomes an unrestricted free.
Speaker 3 (23:41):
What about the three I just gave you? Would you
use any of those? Well, of course you'd use Lamar
Jackson over golf, at least I think you would.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
Sure, But it becomes what Murray over golf? No? Well,
I guess it also becomes a question of what are
you doing with your quarterator? Look to to his.
Speaker 3 (23:57):
Remember Sam Darnold didn't look good on the Jets, but
once he got off a bad team, it's a whole
nother story.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
Several times removed chances. Right, the Carolina Panthers had both
him and Baker Mayfield and they're both gone.
Speaker 3 (24:11):
Right, But like a good quarterback. Also, don't be so
sure that you know these guys are like or not
good quarterbacks. They've had bad experiences.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
But you brought up the Jets. That's six degrees of separation.
It took a lot of distance, uh, to get away
from that Geno Smith took a lot of distance. It
wasn't just a hey, they went to the next spot
and excelled.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
Right.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
That doesn't mean to get multiple jobs, doesn't mean that
you can't.
Speaker 3 (24:34):
So did you think Tua and Murray are not going
to excel where they go to next?
Speaker 2 (24:38):
I think I think we may have seen the best
of Kyler Murray, particularly now that you had like injuries.
Speaker 3 (24:44):
I did disagree with that.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
Well, if you're gonna take away the turbo button that
you've used so far and you still have problems in
the red zone passing, look at look at Trey McBride.
How much better a receiver he is statistically and in
red zone and tight situations with Jacoby Brisset over Kyler Murray,
now which I can Kyler Murray apologist, right, I love
watching the guy play, but he didn't see.
Speaker 3 (25:07):
I don't know what to make of Lamar Jackson is
what his two time MVP.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
That's that's what he did for me in the past. Well,
I might sell me a couple of though. But if
we're now concerned about and take whatever you will from
the the Baltimore Sun article right, which is out there,
play don't get out video games late night. They got
to change up schedules whatever. John Harbaugh tried to quickly
(25:32):
dismiss those, and and again it becomes the all right
thing with the guy in the place and anonymous sources
and whatever else.
Speaker 3 (25:38):
I believe the story, by the way, I do believe.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
But everybody was quick to believe that Kyler Murray didn't
do any work Lamar jacks at right. But I'm not
saying that two are mutually exclusive, just saying that some
are quick to dismiss this one. And again, Lamar Jackson
has been fantastic. I take nothing away from what he's done.
But on the same vein with Kyler Murray is the
(26:01):
element of his game where he extended and made plays
with his legs. Is that when is that diminish? Because
remember they've also both been in the league a minute now.
Right now, it's not like a fifteen year because now
we're normalizing these long careers and that's still that's still
not not it for me. Like if I get eight
years of a guy at peak condition, I think I've won.
Speaker 3 (26:23):
Yeah, but to you know, when you have out a
quarterback that doesn't use his legs and every time he
gets hey, you're holding your breath for concussions.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
Well, but that's what I said. He's not even a
consideration for me.
Speaker 3 (26:34):
He can commit as a backup. Let me tell you
some no, no, he first of all two is not
going to another team as a backup. So that could stop.
You could stop with that right now too. He could
be a prayer.
Speaker 2 (26:45):
I was doing the talking of as a guy if
I'm running a team. That was the premise here, right
The premise was if I was running the team, who
do I want? And I'm telling you he would be
my backup as a break glass in case of emergency.
Speaker 3 (26:59):
Let me tell you, the head be a pretty good
quarterback if he went to the right system to the right.
Speaker 5 (27:03):
He was supposed to be in the right system. Well,
oh well, what what you know? He had some pretty
good stats when they went to the playoffs.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
When was that?
Speaker 3 (27:14):
Yeah, the Dolphins didn't have a good record when Toua
was not starting. You understand that, don't you.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
That's fine. That means that they did not have a
backup quarterback ready to play. I mean then, and you
can blame whatever you want on Tyreek Hill being gone.
In theory, Mike McDaniel was supposed to be a wizard
and Tua was supposed to be you know, his next up.
He was supposed to be the Cynthia Arrivo learning at
the feet of whatever her name is, the Wicked, the
(27:43):
the head head of the witches that wants her to
get over madam. Yeah, I can't save im. Sorry, I
figured you're a big Wicked fan. I'm just kind of
going down.
Speaker 3 (27:53):
That I tell you about wicked Witch Glenda or something.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
But whoever, Michelle Yo plays how about that? But just
that idea of for Tua, it's about timing. It's and
at times it works. But if I need him to
drive a football through a wind, if I need him
to make a big throw in a big spot. We
haven't seen it.
Speaker 3 (28:15):
But it's still better than a lot of these backup
quarterbacks that we saw.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
But again, now see you just put the turn back upon.
Speaker 3 (28:20):
Okay, you know what. Okay, that's fine. But I still
think he's like a B minus quarterback. I still think
he's a starter in the NFL. I still think he's
more than just serviceable, and the team can go to
the playoffs with him and maybe even further. Who knows.
It's just that's not gonna happen in Miami anymore, Mike.
It's just the grass is greener somewhere else.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
I like that he's your guy, and that you're standing
for your guy even as you're kicking him out the door.
Speaker 3 (28:46):
Yes, yes, yes, I like the way.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
You're playing on the fence there.
Speaker 3 (28:49):
Well, it's it's you know, it's like breaking up with
your girlfriend, you know, want to being bad that in here,
Go date somebody else. I'm gonna date somebody else, do
and good luck to you. She's a very nice girl
going that fun, very nice girl.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
You really went down a weird path right there. That
was worse than me trying to figure out what Michelle
Yo's name was. Nick again, not that I thought you would.
It's Madam Morrible Morrible. That was the because I started
drifting down Morbius in my head and I'm like, I
know that's not right. That was that other Marvel movie
(29:24):
that kind of came and went pretty fast.
Speaker 3 (29:26):
With Glad you aren't waiting on me for that answer.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
That's well, you know what we got to learn up. Yeah, meanwhile,
you got your Lumberjack shirt on. You're waiting for your
Hallmark moment. We'll do Steve Kerr and his apology that
we should all cut in print coming up in a
few minutes here, but first we'll send it over to
Brianna Mirro with what's happening in our sporting universe? Brianna,
did you win your fantasy game? Or are you on
your on your way to it?
Speaker 6 (29:49):
So it's the Yeah, So championship wise, I had two
players play today. I know everybody's super interested on that,
Aaron Jones and Jamison Williams. Okay, so I am currently
up to twenty nine points compared to my opponent, who's
actually a guy i've notes in second grade. So that's
also a real really weird just sat there for you guys.
(30:09):
But I have a thirty eight percent chance of winning.
So that doesn't look too good.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
You're saying there's a chance. Yeah, And as we've watched
the last couple of weeks, Brianna, NFL's given us a
lot of twist and turns very true.
Speaker 6 (30:22):
So anything is possible, just like anything is possible here
in Denver. The Nuggets are on top of the Timberwolves
fifty five fifty two a minute left to go in
the second quarter. Anthony Edwards did momentarily leave the game
due to a right shoulder injury, but he's back in
the game right now. The Rockets curbs on the Lakers one,
nineteen to ninety six, on Men Thompson to score twenty
six points. Kevin Durant and added twenty five to blocks
(30:45):
and nine assists in the win. The Warriors defeated the
Mavericks won twenty six to one sixteen, and in the NFL,
the Broncos defeated the Chiefs twenty to thirteen. Bo Nick's
one hundred and eighty two yards passing one touchdown and
one pick in the win. Denver is still in play
for the one seed in the AFS. The Vikings knocked
off the Lions twenty three to ten and the Cowboys
feeda the Commanders thirty to twenty.
Speaker 2 (31:06):
Back to you guys, thanks so much, Brianna. As we
watched this game rolling along, Nikola Jokic gave us a
little bit of a laugh as he came to the
arena tonight, Arnie wearing I still haven't tried it, and
it was a picture of Kserito from Taco Bell. He
was also wearing a Taco Bell cardigan. Really now, I
(31:27):
gotta think there's an ad.
Speaker 3 (31:29):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
But famously, when he was drafted, there was a Taco
Bell ad running and his announcement of his draft position
was scrolled at the bottom of the ticker. Never got
a score, Yeah, well no, they did a giveaway last
week celebrating it. So there's a larger marketing plan that
seems to be rolling up here. But for Jokichen company,
(31:55):
coming down to the end of the first half tie
tie game with Minnesota, the end of a long day
of sporting activity, you're probably hitting these seconds on your pie,
grabbing another cup of coffee.
Speaker 3 (32:07):
Or I just want you to know something. If people didn't,
you know, have the TV on or could look it
up on their phone, if we took like a thousand
calls and say, give me the two teams that are
playing in the NBA tonight. It would it would probably
take us a thousand calls to get a winner before
someone said, yeah, I think it's the Timberwolves and the
Nuggets playing that last game. Seriously, if you didn't have
(32:30):
it on TV and you couldn't look it up on
your phone, we would go forever before people would figure
out who was playing time.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
I think there was a lot of teams you'd take
off the map right away that they're not going to
get a marquee call right right, just like Washington won't
get many of those. Next year. In the NFL, they
were over eight in standalone games.
Speaker 3 (32:49):
This year they were bad. They were one of the
there's so many disupport these teams, like the Lions, like Baltimore.
Speaker 2 (32:56):
So what do you want to do? You want to
do the airing of the grievances? Next, you want to
go to We'll kick Steve Kerr for twenty minutes and
we'll do the airing at the grievances like it's Festivus again.
Speaker 3 (33:06):
Good. You want to get into Steve Kerr. I want
to get into that also go ahead, whatever you want.
Speaker 2 (33:09):
Was right coming up next. As we continue here Fox
Sports Radio, I'm gonna put this ship and we're gonna
try to drive straight down the highway. Arnie's gonna want
to get off and get some snacks and some frosty
beverages and whatever. I'm gonna stiff arm him and we're
gonna get down this road. Airing. Get the grievances over
the course of the night. Chime in with those. We
got the overrated movies and things that you can sell
(33:32):
me on that maybe I missed. The other is your
grievances in the sporting universe, if you've got the disappointments,
because Arnie just started to list some of the teams
that got nothing but coal in their socks. I'll also
tell you a fun Christmas movie that you probably missed
where Sanna literally was giving coal out to bad kids
and they put a hit on him. We'll talk about
(33:54):
it as we continue here. It's Fox Sports Radio. He's
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(34:18):
Mike Harmon. Arnie Spanier in for Jason tonight. I've got
the ratings like Santa trying to drive a straight line.
Speaker 3 (34:27):
It's very tough.
Speaker 2 (34:28):
Rudolph over here is really I really wish he was
sitting next to me because then I can pull back
the harness a little bit and get it going. But
we had a full day of NBA and NFL games,
you know for the Lions, and they're faithful. You know,
we're talking about where they're at and Jared Goff and
(34:49):
where he is as a quarterback, like dislike, look, the
roster needs attention. Clearly, losing both your coordinators made a
big deal, even if Aaron Glenn became a guy known
for running up and down the sideline before losing a game,
than anything they did substantively over the course of the year, Arnie.
But a lot of change, a lot of injuries, and
(35:11):
a lot of question marks going forward. And it really,
to me is the parallel of what I witnessed a
couple of years ago. And I think maybe you and
I have talked about this once or twice, but I
bring it back. Audience is always changing. If you're listening
for the first time, thank you. Take us with you
wherever you go on the iHeartRadio app, download it, give
(35:32):
it five stars. If you haven't bought that last Christmas
present for somebody, just borrow their phone from it and say, no,
I don't want to look at your task. No it's
not It's never too late. Maybe they have plans for tomorrow.
Maybe they're going to meet up for a dinner a
couple of days later because the restaurants are all overrun
or closed. True, it's still the holiday season for another
week or two, so I'm still gonna be, you know,
(35:54):
Merry Chris, Merry Christmas, seeing it up until folks decide
to throw bricks at me or whatever. But the idea
being that this looks a lot like the Cincinnati Bengals
of a couple of years ago, right, and a lot
of what's making the round in the postgame was Dan
Campbell talking about the miss in the NFC title game
(36:15):
against San Francisco a couple of years ago, where he
said this might have been our shot.
Speaker 3 (36:20):
And probably was. It probably was a shot, but we
didn't think that at the time. I know Rob Parker
thought that the Lions were going to have a collapse,
and he was right about that. I didn't see that though.
I didn't think, you know, they were going to miss
the playoffs this year. I thought they were gonna actually
win the division. I didn't see the Bears going from
worse the first in that division.
Speaker 2 (36:39):
Well, and as Rob and I have talked about and
we did a little today, it's like, well some of
that is you just like to needle Kelvin and the
people back home in Detroit, and he smiles. You could no,
I believed it.
Speaker 3 (36:51):
And I have a look, how quick you would have
pulled Caleb Williams for not being a good quarterback like
you did with Murray and Tua and all those ways
would have pulled them.
Speaker 5 (37:00):
Come on, man, No, they're in year six and seven.
That's different thing. But still the way Kakey, No, no, no,
that's a.
Speaker 2 (37:08):
False equivalence if there ever was one.
Speaker 3 (37:10):
But look, Caleb Williams did not have as great of
a college career like I thought he was, and you know,
people criticize.
Speaker 2 (37:17):
Him except for that heisman.
Speaker 3 (37:18):
Well, except for that Heisman thing.
Speaker 2 (37:20):
Except for that little Heisman thing. But that sounds I
didn't it.
Speaker 3 (37:24):
When he broke out after the game and he was
crying near his mom and stuff like that.
Speaker 2 (37:29):
You know, well, I mean, look, everybody's examining twenty four
to seven whenever they can get on the players right,
and depending on where you get drafted, things are gonna
get magnified in Chicago thing. If you're not playing well,
you will be the scourge because you've watched it for
how many years. There's only a few years that are
outliers of a quarterback playing well and wins accompanying it.
(37:51):
Otherwise it's a lot of misery.
Speaker 3 (37:53):
Did you know his numbers this year were pretty much
equivalent to Mitch Trubisky, I believe. But but yeah, you
had Mitch Trubisky packed and got out of town.
Speaker 2 (38:03):
Don't say me I was a Mitchell believer. Oh, you
could go back and find find plenty of audio. Yeah,
go back and look at the team that he was
running with. Well, because you'd have people talking out of
both sides of their mouth that they wanted they loved
the coach, but they didn't like him. It's like they
both went to the playoffs together twice, right, exactly, so
figure out where you want to sign, you know, the
(38:25):
credit pie. But he's a backup now, Yeah, he's in Buffalo.
Speaker 3 (38:29):
Yeah, I mean that's okay for now, I guess.
Speaker 2 (38:31):
But well, and he's had his shots. He had a
shot in Pittsburgh, and and look, the lead shill be short.
But that's the thing, right, I mean, how many bites
at the apple do you get?
Speaker 3 (38:40):
I don't know if he really had a fair shot
at Pittsburgh.
Speaker 2 (38:42):
I don't think so either. But but that's neither here
nor there, if that's right, right, he is, he's a
Buffalo and that's where he is. But but when you
look at where where the Lions are, there were a
lot of questions about the line, certainly losing rag now,
losing a leader like that, losing your coordinators. We watched
Philadelphia have that step back right after their big run
(39:04):
a couple of years ago, where they lost coordinators and
then you set it back together, you win a Super Bowl,
and then you have this year which is dysfunctional, but
there's still the you know, NFC East champion.
Speaker 3 (39:14):
I don't know why you have such a step back
after you lose coordinators. I mean, don't every It doesn't
every team just pretty much run the same twenty to
twenty five offensive plays passing plays, but they just mix
it up a little different version. It's not like they're
reinventing the wheel there, Mike.
Speaker 2 (39:29):
No, it's all about the excellence of execution, terminology, getting
folks on the same page, having the consistency on your
offensive line. Right, That's one of the things we can
look at with the Eagles. What's right.
Speaker 3 (39:39):
Nothing to do with coordinators though, No.
Speaker 2 (39:41):
But it changes how you're looking at is like, watch
today's game against Minnesota. You knew they couldn't do anything offensively.
Were they able to run the football? No, it changed turnovers.
I've said that obviously, turnover after turnover, but they didn't
exactly play well without the turnover effect going on there.
But with Caleb Williams, it's, you know, year one of
a new new system. He's under center, play action passing, like,
(40:04):
there's a million things going on there that are different.
But the equivalent I had made was with Cincinnati when
I I went to the Super Bowl when they played
the Rams and leaving a bunch of Bengals fans were like,
it's the beginning of a long run, and I'm looking
at you have that game in the fourth quarter. You're
not mad at all. It's like, I get it left.
You left Cincinnati to come to LA for a couple
(40:26):
of days. But my god, that's man.
Speaker 3 (40:30):
Asked Marino if he had a long run into the
Super Bowls.
Speaker 2 (40:33):
But Jim Kelly got to four of them, he didn't win, right,
So like all of that to say that the expectation
that you were going to stay on top of the world.
Green Bay is always going to be a solid organization.
The Bears, you knew they were going to get better.
Did you think it would translate into a bunch of wins?
Speaker 3 (40:50):
Getting back on top of what?
Speaker 2 (40:52):
Right? You bring in a coach, you change a system, yep,
and you get everybody to buy in to what you're doing.
All right. Coming up next, we're gonna finally to that
Steve Kerr story with Draymond Green. The blueprint that you
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