July 23, 2024 • 37 mins
Mike Harmon and Rich Ohrnberger dish out the top 5 Training Camps they’re most excited for. LeBron James is about to do what NO men's basketball player has ever done. And Mike tells you if he’s cheering for the White Sox to be the worst MLB team of all-time!
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Live Baseball Action All Across and a typical result. Rich
Orberger my White Sox now twenty seven and seventy five
on the season. Wow, We've got a guy named River
Ryan pitching for the Los Angeles Dodgers against the Giants tonight.
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Giants with a one nothing lead here as we go
to the middle of the fourth. I mean, there's just
a lot of chaos going on here as we get
going The Jason Smith Show with Me, Mike Carman, No
Jason Smith Tonight, Doctor rich Ornberger in his stead. He'll
have a prescription for a couple of teams as to
how to fix them. Getting ready for our twenty twenty
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four NFL season and a little bit. We've got our
US men's and women's national teams that we have to
raise our eyebrows. Maya modus proposal from Friday worked out
pretty nicely on Saturday for that WNBA All Star tilt
against the Olympians, although I think the Olympians are still
actually holding the right to be the Olympians and they
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were not usurped as I had proposed that they should
have been if losing that game. But we'll get in
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Training camp has finally arrived, rich Ornberger, and as again,
I played for six years in the National Football League.
Obviously the collegiate efforts at Penn State. Do you still
get the itch when you see guys going to camp?
Do you miss any of it at this point or
are you far enough of renewed removed by chasing your
kids that that's another lifetime ago.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
It does feel like a lifetime ago. Ten years is
an awful long time to be out of football. When
you think about my professional career was six years. Of
my playing career at Penn State was five. I only
really played got field time for four of those, so
I just about you know, lapped or I shouldn't say lapped,
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but it just about eclipsed the length of time that
actually played football at the collegiate or professional level in
my retirement. But yeah, there's still an itch, there's still
feelings this time of year where you don't really understand why,
but I guess, I guess, really it just comes down
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to habit forming. You get a little surly, you know,
you get a little uncomfortable, you get a little eager
or anxious during this time of year. If you're a
former pro or a former collegiate athlete who which recently
hung up the cleats because you've done it your whole life,
this is a time of year where you have to
start ramping up and you start you have to start
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you know, butting heads again, and it's yeah, it's hard
to lay down that sword. And so every once in
a while, I'll see a trade, I'll see clips from
a training camp practice on Twitter now and you'll have
almost like one of those you know, it almost looks
like one of those Tom Cruise war movie flashbacks where
you just all of a sudden lost in your thoughts
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and uh and and you see the screens sort of
fading to a moment and then all of a sudden
you snap out of it because you know you're you're
burning the toast or you know, you know all the
kids yelling you're head being careful with.
Speaker 4 (03:55):
The burning toast because you know that that implies some
other things.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
Oh yeah, it could be that's also true. Yeah, yeah,
if you smelting burnt toads, apparently you're supposed to stop
drop and roller. I'm not exactly sure you do it
the stroke, but haven't had one yet fortunately, But yeah,
it's it's definitely that time of year that that excites
the the god of war inside of all former athletes.
I guess.
Speaker 5 (04:18):
Well.
Speaker 4 (04:18):
It's funny though, right, being in this business obviously football.
I don't want to say it's easier, but it's easier programming, right,
B block, Cowboys, se block, what are we doing? You know,
those kind of things we you know, I like the
the quote hard part of the season where we get
to stretch our legs a little bit and find some
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of these secondary stories. But once football rolls around, to me,
it's the all right. It means podcast come back, more
radio appearances during the week, a bunch of other stuff.
So you start ramping up in psychologically getting yourself ready
for that, right, yeah, all right. The games become available
off the NFL's platform, right as a midw on Sunday night.
(05:01):
You can go back and watch the condensed game. So
you're up till four in the morning and watching games
and making notes if you're a nerd like me. For
you everybody else, you just watch a couple of highlights
and extrapolate from there and maybe read a box scorn too.
But yeah, it's that exciting time of year. The Bears
will be on hard knocks. I don't know how I'm
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how great that'll be for the process. Hopefully they don't
look as dumb as the Giants have in the preseason
hard knocks. I mean rich they opened the doors and
I thought they still had something of an edit process
as the team and write a refusal on some of
the footage. How did they think any of these things?
From from Barkley to Dable salivating over the quarterbacks and
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anything else. How'd they think that was gonna make them
look any good?
Speaker 2 (05:48):
I don't really understand how they they thought it was
going to go. But my guess is, however they thought
it was going to go, it went the opposite. Like
I imagine when the cameras left the facility and you
know day Ball or you know Joe Shane or you
know whoever was the what was his name, Jim Mara
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when with the yeah, John Myra, Yeah, when when he
left the facility and they all went home and they
tried to imagine what the production crew was going to
do in editing. I think most people believe they're the
protagonist of their story, you know, not the antagonist. And
unfortunately for the Giants, everybody affiliated with the Giants right
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now is the antagonist. There there are no heroes in
this story right now.
Speaker 4 (06:38):
That's just saying from being one of them, an underdog
will emerge. Somebody, let me be your hero, singing like
you're Enrique Iglesias, let's go.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
Yeah, it isn't there, I promise you it's there's no
heroes there. Look Daniel Jones, he can at times really
look solid. I mean he've he's had a couple of
a couple of seasons now where he's flirted with looking
like a top ten quarterback. The problem is he's had
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a lot of bad ones. And when when you're injury
prone and you've had a bunch of real rough seasons
mixed in or bad moments mixed in with the good moments,
you really you start to think to yourself, I mean,
can this guy? Can this guy start in this league?
I mean they just paid him like he was a
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top of the second tier quarterback, and can he even
start in this league? Like that's where we're at now
with Daniel Jones. So a lot to be proved at
that position. Frankly, a lot to be proved at the
head coaching position. I wouldn't be I wouldn't be be
completely shocked if this season John Mara and company decide
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to see what Brian Dabole, who is a supposed quarterback whisper,
can do with Daniel Jones, and if it goes better
than advertised, better than they thought, they hang on to him,
and maybe not Daniel Jones, but they hang on to Dable.
If this goes sideways, though, I think the I think
the whole team gets cleared out. I think they're gonna
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start from scratch. I think it'll be quarterback and head
coach and everybody associated with both. It's going to be
a fire sale and we're scrapping this and we're starting
over again.
Speaker 4 (08:24):
One hundred percent. At Orenburger, where you find him on Twitter.
You hear him every morning seven sixty down in San Dieg.
You can find that on the iHeartRadio app. Of course,
Saturday mornings he's with Brian and Jared talking all things,
wagering that college football, wagering coming back soon. And then
on Sunday he's trying to calm down Steve Hartman for
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whatever he's ranting about in a given moment. But you know,
the Giants not one of the training camps I'm looking
forward to. They would rank towards the bottom, and are
we wait and see and again, Jones a guy that
you hopefully he can stay upright because you saw some
good things two years ago and then rough start to
the year, neck injury, all of that stuff. But that's
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neither here or other. That's regular season with Bill Belichick
still lurking out there, your former coach, trying to find
himself a way back into the league. So the Giants
being one of those teams where it's like, well, maybe
for sensibility purposes is gonna happen. But I look at
from interesting camps. Selfishly, you know Steven and Justin working
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with the broadcast team with the Chargers, I'm very excited
about the Jim Harbaugh era, you know, relentless enthusiasm and
bringing in the former Ravens backs and seeing what they
do with Justin Herbert as they move forward. So selfishly
because it's localized Rich, I mean, they're number one on
the board for me because I think Harbaugh himself is
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just a fascinating study.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
I agree. I think it's a fascinating training camp. If
I were to rattle off my top five, let's go,
and I want you to stop me where you find
interest or maybe at the end of the list we
could review.
Speaker 4 (10:01):
Sure, yeah, because I've got my five written down as well.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
So okay, I'll give you these five and you tell
me which ones you want to hear from Deeper Dive. Steelers, Cowboys, Patriots, Browns, Eagles.
Those are the five that I think are the most
fascinating heading into training campaign again. Steelers, Cowboys, Patriots, Brown's Eagles.
Speaker 4 (10:25):
Okay, yeah, each one of them has a massive story.
The Patriots one, I guess is just it swirls in
the background for me. But since it's your former team, yeah, explain.
Speaker 5 (10:37):
It to me.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
Well, so that one it's it's it's basically twofold. So
there wasn't a lot of thought process around the Miko
Ryans getting anything done with the Houston Texans when he
took on the head coaching job, and you saw what
a great, not a good, but a great rookie quarterback
can do to a franchise with an eager and hungry
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head coach who really did a nice job shaping out
a defense after time and creating an atmosphere that players
wanted to win. There was no give up there in Houston.
Drawd Mail very similar path went from being a linebacker
in this league straight into the coaching headset. And he
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obviously played understudy to Bill Belichick and rose through the
ranks and he earned this job. And so going from
defensive coordinator to head coach in this league right now,
that is not the topic, doujour. People really think you
need an offensive minded head coach have success. Well, Damika
Ryans kind of flipped his four fingers off his chin
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to the rest of the league and said, you know,
watch me dance. I could do it, and he did,
and I'm telling you right now it's a dance beat
that a lot of other teams should follow. Look for
a leader. Mike Tomlin defensive minded head coach, but he's
a leader. Tamika Ryans, defensive head coach, but he's a leader.
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If Drake May has the goods, look out, I think
I think the Patriots could be one of those sneaky teams.
They're playing in a tough division. But if it goes
well during training camp, and we'll see what the reports
look like with Drake May, that's gonna be the lynchpin here.
But if it goes well during training camp, the Patriots
all of a sudden could become one of those very
interesting teams in their early season.
Speaker 4 (12:21):
Yeah, I like the cut of your gym. That's a
fine explanation. And you tie in Houston because that's a
team that obviously is on everybody's radar. So you know,
I kind of have them and the Bears as they
go towards the Hall of Fame game, we'll get to
see the Bears play out on hard knocks. But remember
last year, if the Bears stayed where they were in theory,
you could have taken CJS straft yep would you have necessarily?
(12:43):
Because I love all the revisionist history of it all right,
because go back to twenty seventeen when everybody's like, well,
they could have had Mahomes if they didn't do that
stupid trubisky things like no, no, no. The guy they
would have drafted, if you went from pure logic and
where they were, would have been to Shan Watson. Now, dude,
the compare contrast of what Deshaun Watson is was as
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a player in the off field. That's the guy you
probably would have selected if you were just going off
the resume and expectations. And then you move forward to
last year. Would they have chosen him or Bryce Young?
I don't know, but they get their second bite of
the apple with all of the trades and a bolstered
offense around Caleb Williams. So those two teams I think
are kind of tied together. You mentioned Cleveland because again
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it is the Deshaun Watson. You got a roster that
you love right Defensively, some weaponry, Chubb comes back off injury.
All of that it plays together. So all of it
goes back to you did really well with backup tertiary quarterbacks,
Joe Flacco off the couch. What does it look like
this year in a tough division where the Steelers have
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the Russell Wilson justin fields battle Cowboys are always interesting
just because. And then the Eagles. One of the subplots
to all of this was, you know, the Sirianni and
Jalen her relationship after the changing out of the coordinators. Rich,
I mean that second half of the season, they only
got saved from some of the bad headlines because the
Jaguars were such a mess.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
Yeah, yeah, it's true. Yeah, that's why the Eagles made
my list as well. I mean the Browns obvious reasons. Look,
that's a playoff team with Joe Flacco and the five
other quarterbacks who appeared other or four other than Deshaun Watson.
I'm curious if he could carry a whole season. They
still don't have that answer. And the Eagles, like you
just mentioned, I mean, Siriani is a heartbeat away from
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losing this job. It all comes down to this season
to keep the band together at Philly, so it's gonna
be a very very interesting situation out there during training
camp as well.
Speaker 4 (14:42):
All Right, the rest of my list, I had the
Chargers up top, mentioned the Bears slashtacks. Those are notity here,
they're there Arizona. I'm still a Kyler guy. It's like
I root for all the older guys in the league
to keep playing, so I don't feel so old. Rich
is also the you know, any guy that's about my
height or thereabouts I have to cheer for. So Kyler
Murray coming back looked pretty good in spots last year.
(15:04):
We'll see if that can continue now that you bring
in Marvin Harrison Junior the Colts and Anthony richardson a
team that is built and constructed pretty interestingly in a
division that I think is going to be cannibalism. Yeah
right when you look at what Because I'm a Will
Levis guy, so I'm gonna put Tennessee in as my
fifth squad, staying a lot of AFC South in a
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division outside of Houston. Nobody wants to talk about if
we can do the Jaguars another time. I'm sure you'll
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Fox Sports Radio Studios. US Men's National Team Living and
Dying by the Exploits of one Lebron James eleven points
in a row to close things out today in a
hard fought win over Germany. The final tune up here,
Rich over the last week, you've seen a six point
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win over Australia, now they were beating them down and
watched Australia with a frant to come back. We've got
proud Mary on the ones and twos talking about South
Sudan and that big effort a one point victory. And
if those two guys hadn't collided at the rim after
Anthony Edwards fell asleep on def who knows what would
have happened. Should have called off foul man. Well there's
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that too, but you know he swallow the whistle in
the final second, succeed and proceed. But plus forty three
and a half man, that is one hell of an
f we did great.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
Yeah, proud of my team.
Speaker 4 (19:16):
Yeah, we talked a lot about the history, right, thirteen
years and.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
Nation in July nine eleven. Incredible. Yeah, it's been great.
Speaker 4 (19:24):
So she just had a big beaming smile on her
face the whole night, Rich.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
As you should. That was an, I mean an unfortunate
showing for Team USA because if you think about it,
I mean there's no reason anybody should even and it
doesn't matter how long you're a country or how long
you've been playing basketball, nobody should be able to run
with with Team US. But I think what happened was
they were treating South suit end like it was an
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all star game, and then as a result, they got caught.
And that's gonna happen because basketball is a global sport now,
and so there's no there's there's no stop upping a hungry,
eager unit if you're not going to show up with
your best game. And finally in the second half they
turned on the after burners and it was just enough,
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just soon enough to get the wa.
Speaker 4 (20:13):
But you saw some great three point shooting in that
game from the Sudanese team, and certainly from Shayok. He
was fantastic, twenty four points in that one steph Curry
heated up second half. Lebron takes it home today a
four point win over Germany, again Lebron helping to close
that out, and then he gets the honor of being
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the flag bearer for the US, the men's flag bear.
We're gonna have this big thing that's been promoted for
several weeks now, this giant parade of boats rolling towards
the Big Events Center and the opening ceremony. So he's
on the men's side. It's the first time that an
NBA player has had the honor. We had Sue Byrd
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has had the honor in the past, going back to
twenty twenty, I believe there.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
Was what was it?
Speaker 4 (21:06):
There was another one, Oh, Don Steally. Don Staley had
done it as well. So there's Steve Disager, you know,
bringing back in and then we go back through and
immediately and as we were bringing this up, you know, Rich,
you asked the well, what happened in nineteen ninety two,
we had Franci LaRue Smith. Oh wow, track and field athlete.
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She used the flag bearer, third female American athlete to
make five Olympic teams. And then on the the men's side,
it was a guy named Peter Westbrook. He was a fencer.
He had the saber, not to be confused with saber
from the office right giving you fire laden printers.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
Well, listen, I think there was a time where the
Olympics were viewed as at least in the United States,
maybe not globally, as an amateur sporting event to promote
these sports that you oftentimes don't get to hear about
during your calendar year. And so yeah, fencer and a
five time, you know, Olympic gymnast, they get, they get
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the call to the front of the room. But really
that the Olympics for me at least, and I think
it's it's been done somewhat intentionally, has changed a lot.
It's absolutely become more and more a marketing ploy to
help these athletes expand their brands. And I'm not hating
on it. You can't hate the player. You kind of
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can hate the game, I guess, but I don't hate
the game either, because I appreciate the Olympics for what
it is. We talked about this a little bit last
week on this program when I was jumping in with Jason,
I said, I kind of like the idea that everybody
is doing the same thing at the same time. It's
it's kind of nice, you know. And when when global
attention gets paid to something normally it's something negative, you know,
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in the spirit of competition in sport, I'm kind of
cool with even if it is being exploited as a
mare marketing event for a lot of people in a
lot of countries. Whatever. At least we're not, you know,
tuning into the televisions because a war is breaking out
globally and it's more just beach volleyball in front of
the Eiffel Tower.
Speaker 4 (23:13):
But that's just it, right, It's all about the pop
and circumstance, the pageantry. And you know people still belly
ache every year about the commercialization of Christmas and other
holidays or made up holidays. All right, take a deep breath,
find a hug and move on the same.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
Thing here, you know.
Speaker 4 (23:31):
You know it's the Kevin durantline from years ago. You
don't like it, you don't watch the WNBA will resume,
you know, as Caitlin Clark so brilliantly put us, like, hey,
i'll see all in a month. I'm out, you know,
after the WNBA All Stars won over the Olympic team
in that exhibition, like that was a crazy Saturday, right,
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the men's team with the narrow escape against South Sudan.
And then later on we watched Eriqueo Goomble who said, hey,
there's too much politics in this selection process, so I'm out.
And as we predicted on the show that she was
going to go off, I also wanted to see the Olympians.
Just say, all right, loser stays home. Match Rich Hornberger.
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That's what I was calling for going into that one.
If you lose to Angel Rees, Caitlin Clark and Cheryl Miller,
you stay home. That's right, especially coach Reeve because her
attitude quite frankly, has stunk through this entire process for
the w NBA. But that's me editorializing in the moment.
But you know, for the the other honor, we'll find out,
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you know what woman gets selected. Some own Biles has
already done this before, so maybe it's Ladecki. We'll see
some of the celebrated athletes that are out there. But
you know, back to your original point, it's like it's
all competition. You've seen the world in a lot of spaces,
especially in basketball, catch up to where the competition is
at lopside, and who knows, maybe at this it's it's
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all for Steve Current company. It'll be once the bell
rings for quote real this time it counts, then maybe
it's at my signal unleash hell, like at a gladiator
and they go and they just pummel these squads. I
don't necessarily know that'll be the case, but I.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
Feel like now again, I haven't tuned in for every
second of every game they've played leading up, but they've
won all of them, you know, against against opponents Canada,
South to tod and Germany to my knowledge, are the
three games that they played leading up to Olympic event events.
I should say it's I'm not saying it's impossible for
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a team USA to win, but they are overwhelmingly talented.
And in baseball, look, you need to have a strong
starting staff or I should say a strong pitching staff.
Sometimes you get you through a game altogether. You definitely
need to have a lineup who's you know, maybe the
hitting needs to be contagious, especially if you're going against
an eager squad with good bats at the plate, you know,
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and in football it's eleven guys on the field at
the same time. One guy does something wrong, you're screwed
on the play. You do that enough, you'll lose games.
With basketball, and I don't want to oversimplify it because
it's more than this. You know, there is a team aspect,
of course, but typically, and Mike, you've watched a lot
of basketball too, typically the team with the best five wins,
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you know, and when close, when big it, they still
usually win. And that's what we've seen from Team USA
during these warm up matches. We'll see what happens, like
you said, when the hand drops and you know, you know,
actual total war breaks out and it's for all of
the chips. I'm curious what happens then? Will these be
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closer games all the way through? Maybe maybe the world's
caught up in a lot of ways. I'm not sure,
but I feel like, at least on the forefront of
this conversation, I doubt it. I feel like that Team
USA is going to have an easy is your handle
of the competition? Then? I think then then maybe what
the preseason let's call it, has eluded us.
Speaker 4 (27:07):
Well, I would say say, to this right, add the
Australian game to everything we've seen. Rich. It's the the
idea that a lot of folks were doing what they
do and dismissing the past, whereas the older crowd clinging
to the past when we start talking about the dream
team or whatever. But the hyperboles surrounding this squad, the
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greatest assembly of players ever in the greatest collection of
talent and depth and everything else. Oh you still need
to play with some continuity. You still need to be
able to take care of the basketball, which at times,
to your point, looks like an All Star game. Hey,
I'm just gonna gotta fling it there, my gota run
under it, right, not quite Harlem Globe Drodders style, but
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not far off at times either. And then you're saved
by Lebron James in the final moments of the last
couple of games, to be sure, But to that point
point right, it's it's the exhibition part of it and
trying to figure out, you know, if a lot of
folks are gonna have to do maya kulpa's pretty fast
if every game looks like that. We've seen these last couple,
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how great are they?
Speaker 3 (28:13):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (28:15):
And I was like, you know, succeed and proceed in
the end if you if you get the W, does
it matter well? Yeah, right, style points though in our
business generally count them.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
Well and they do matter with Team USA. For other teams, yeah,
survive in evance. I completely agree with that thought process.
But not for Team USA.
Speaker 4 (28:33):
No, not when you're favored by forty three. Now, when
you're expected to go and bludge folks and look that
the international rules plus three point shots will will level
things out to a degree. Right, you get a guy
or two on a team that get hot, like we
saw in that game against South Sudan, and they're moving
the ball back up the court. They're not giving you
a chance to rest, right, I was joking. It kind
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of looked like a game. I was watching a soccer
game the other day and it's like, you're basically trying
to do the just clear the zone so you get
a breath because the attack is that that much. And
that's what South Sudan did. It's like, all right, we're
gonna run you. Oh yeah, ye, you're right. This is
not a fun exhibition for us. We're trying to prove something.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
Well. They had a perfect plan that they executed perfectly,
you know, and and luck was on their side. And
by the way, luck does matter. Yeah, you could be
a great athlete, Yeah, certainly, you could play for a
great coach and be a part of a system that
coordinates with your skill set, and this is any sport,
but you also need to have some level of luck.
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You need to have the right days at the right times.
And for South Student everything came together against Team USA
could not have gone better for them, And frankly, let's
be also wary of over simplifying the win for or
I should say, the near loss for the US, because
they didn't perform even close to what they're capable of. Now,
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what are they capable of? I'm not sure. I don't
know where the ceiling is, but I certainly know that
was pretty close to the basement what we saw to that. Yeah,
and it's still and it's still got them a w
playing about as bad of basketball as they possibly could
have played for just about three quarters until two of
the stars absolutely woke up and flamed them. It really
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was too close of a game for comfort. Steve Kerr said,
we learned a lot. I think it was good for US.
I tend to agree. I think they got a little
taste of what kind of embarrassment waits for them if
they come home with anything less than the gold. Because
there was some harsh criticisms being lobbed and volleyed across
social media. And we know these players, you know, Kevin
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Durant for all of the you know, cool guy expressions
that he'll rattle off during interviews, he's sensitive and he
admits as much, you know, things to you affect him.
He hears people, the trolls on social media, he responds
to them sometimes. Steph Curry is a social media guy.
He's he was born in that age, coming out of Davidson.
The Golden State Warrior Warriors dynasty was arguably the first
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dynasty of the social media era, you know. So, so
he's a part of that culture. Lebron James certainly. I
mean he's he's marketed himself better than any basketball player
on the planet. And a huge strategy for him was
using social media to allowing fans to get closer to
him and his family. And oh my goodness, it's benefited
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him so much because half of his family is playing
in the NFL in the NBA. Now, So I mean,
good job, Broad, good job Broad. You know. Sure. So
it's a it's a thing, man. I I if they
they got a taste of the embarrassment they'll feel on
social media on Twitter, on Instagram, if they actually do
come home with silver or bronze or less.
Speaker 4 (31:50):
No, and they all have rabbit ears, so they know
what what is out there and everybody and they have
the receipts. Coming up next, we'll take a turn back
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Speaker 4 (32:43):
Hey, welcome back in Fox Sports Radio Jason Smith Show
with Me, Mike Harmon, Rich Hornberger in for Jason Smith.
And in ten minutes, the doctor's got a prescription for
a couple of teams to take them from would be
contenders to maybe Kings of the Mountain. We'll talk about
that in ten minutes as we talk anfl here on
the show. But you know I'd have to respond to
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a tweet that I got just a little while ago,
Rich coming up from our guy face mask face Palm's Dean.
No snark intended here at all. We're both long suffering
Chicago sports fans. The White Sox are gonna lose one
hundred games? Do you want them to break the record
of one hundred and twenty losses sixty two mets? As
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a Cup fan, I'd like to be like, yeah, we're bad,
might as well accomplish something. And that's my whole thing.
It's a mantra of the show, Rich Ornberger. If you're
gonna fail, fail spectacularly, take your big swing and go
out in style. So this is where as we get
to the trade deadline. Anybody who's calling, anybody who's asking
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crishe if he's gonna be in a Dodger uniform, great,
go see which guys are cast offs of there should
have been, would have been prospects that they've maybe soured
on enough to where they're not cracking the forty man
or certainly the active lineup, and just go on down
the line. Who else you want? You want Lewis Robert
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to take him go through the process, and yes, go
chase the sixty two Mets and their one hundred and
twenty losses. At least that's my thinking.
Speaker 2 (34:16):
Year. Yeah, go down in a blaze of glory. Look,
I think, if I haven't missed my guests, there aren't
a ton of sellers around major League Baseball. So there
are certain teams who can certainly make a killing if
they want to peace out their major league squad and
you know, try to have a revival in a year
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or two, maybe three. The White Sox, the fall has
been pretty steep because this was a team that was
a burgeoning success not too long ago, and it's been
just completely torn apart. And you know, I guess at
some point somebody will do the autopsy and tell us
what exactly went wrong, telling happened, I'll.
Speaker 3 (35:00):
Tell you right now.
Speaker 4 (35:02):
Go it tried tried to take a little bit of
the Braves model. And all of those you rolled snake
guys on every one of them. You tried to pay
guys in advance, say hey, if we can lock them up.
And one of the things Reinsdorf doesn't do is go
over the top with big money deals. I think they're
one of two or three teams left the A's and
their eight thousand attendance per game, fourteen percent capacity. Rich
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Hornberger is what they're playing to on a nightly basis.
But it's and then I think maybe there's one more team.
I want to say it was the Royals, but eventually
they're gonna pay Bobby Wood Junior after heroics like tonight,
but that don't have a one hundred million dollar contract
that they haven't done it. And but for the White Sox,
they did it with Lewis Robert, they did it with
Elo Jimenez, they did it with a couple of others.
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Remember they were highly invested in jose A Brew and
he dropped off a cliff and then you watched what
happened as a member of the Astros and and where
he's trying to reclaim things now with Jimenez, can't stay
healthy with Robert has had some big spots. You on, Mancatta,
keep on going down the line. Guys they paid thinking
they would be lynch pins failed. And then from the
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pitching side, guys you were banking on, you decided to
shuffle off and deal and they've gone on to greatness elsewhere.
Chris Sale, it took a while, but now he's a
thirteen game winner at the break with the Braves. Rodin
won again for the Yankees. He's been a little bit
on even but and some highways and byways in between.
But again the point being what that you had as
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a base you broke up, and the other spare parts
you can't get on the field together.
Speaker 2 (36:37):
And which is to say, it's for every great team
out there who has built and has had success, obviously
the equal but opposite is going to occur. It's it's
almost like Newton's second law. Look at you, it really is.
It's it's it's it's amazing how consistent consistent this is.
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When you look at baseball, you look at the NFL,
you look at the NBA, for all the great teams,
there's usually the three or four that are dragon and
so it's like clockwork. It's a race to the middle
for most teams. And then you have outliers and the
outliers in this case, you know, on the one side,
it looks like it's the Phillies or it's the you know,
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the I don't know, maybe it's the Cleveland Guardians, who knows.
But on the opposite side of that spectrum, it's the
White Sox.
Speaker 4 (37:27):
Yeah, there we are, right, I mean we do it,
and I mean we've done it. In the football side, right,
it's been the Bears and they were better last year,
but you're still waiting for the other shoe to drop.
You've talked about Cleveland, Well, they got it right last year.
Is that going to be consistent? Don't know. The Jets
they have the pieces, Will it work, don't know. But
those are the teams that are always the laughing stock.
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Training camp has finally arrived, rich Ornberger, and as again,
I played for six years in the National Football League.
Obviously the collegiate efforts at Penn State. Do you still
get the itch when you see guys going to camp?
Do you miss any of it at this point or
are you far enough of renewed removed by chasing your
kids that that's another lifetime ago.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
It does feel like a lifetime ago. Ten years is
an awful long time to be out of football. When
you think about my professional career was six years. Of
my playing career at Penn State was five. I only
really played got field time for four of those, so
I just about you know, lapped or I shouldn't say lapped,
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but it just about eclipsed the length of time that
actually played football at the collegiate or professional level in
my retirement. But yeah, there's still an itch, there's still
feelings this time of year where you don't really understand why,
but I guess, I guess, really it just comes down
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to habit forming. You get a little surly, you know,
you get a little uncomfortable, you get a little eager
or anxious during this time of year. If you're a
former pro or a former collegiate athlete who which recently
hung up the cleats because you've done it your whole life,
this is a time of year where you have to
start ramping up and you start you have to start
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you know, butting heads again, and it's yeah, it's hard
to lay down that sword. And so every once in
a while, I'll see a trade, I'll see clips from
a training camp practice on Twitter now and you'll have
almost like one of those you know, it almost looks
like one of those Tom Cruise war movie flashbacks where
you just all of a sudden lost in your thoughts
(03:43):
and uh and and you see the screens sort of
fading to a moment and then all of a sudden
you snap out of it because you know you're you're
burning the toast or you know, you know all the
kids yelling you're head being careful with.
Speaker 4 (03:55):
The burning toast because you know that that implies some
other things.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
Oh yeah, it could be that's also true. Yeah, yeah,
if you smelting burnt toads, apparently you're supposed to stop
drop and roller. I'm not exactly sure you do it
the stroke, but haven't had one yet fortunately, But yeah,
it's it's definitely that time of year that that excites
the the god of war inside of all former athletes.
I guess.
Speaker 5 (04:18):
Well.
Speaker 4 (04:18):
It's funny though, right, being in this business obviously football.
I don't want to say it's easier, but it's easier programming, right,
B block, Cowboys, se block, what are we doing? You know,
those kind of things we you know, I like the
the quote hard part of the season where we get
to stretch our legs a little bit and find some
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of these secondary stories. But once football rolls around, to me,
it's the all right. It means podcast come back, more
radio appearances during the week, a bunch of other stuff.
So you start ramping up in psychologically getting yourself ready
for that, right, yeah, all right. The games become available
off the NFL's platform, right as a midw on Sunday night.
(05:01):
You can go back and watch the condensed game. So
you're up till four in the morning and watching games
and making notes if you're a nerd like me. For
you everybody else, you just watch a couple of highlights
and extrapolate from there and maybe read a box scorn too.
But yeah, it's that exciting time of year. The Bears
will be on hard knocks. I don't know how I'm
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how great that'll be for the process. Hopefully they don't
look as dumb as the Giants have in the preseason
hard knocks. I mean rich they opened the doors and
I thought they still had something of an edit process
as the team and write a refusal on some of
the footage. How did they think any of these things?
From from Barkley to Dable salivating over the quarterbacks and
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anything else. How'd they think that was gonna make them
look any good?
Speaker 2 (05:48):
I don't really understand how they they thought it was
going to go. But my guess is, however they thought
it was going to go, it went the opposite. Like
I imagine when the cameras left the facility and you
know day Ball or you know Joe Shane or you
know whoever was the what was his name, Jim Mara
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when with the yeah, John Myra, Yeah, when when he
left the facility and they all went home and they
tried to imagine what the production crew was going to
do in editing. I think most people believe they're the
protagonist of their story, you know, not the antagonist. And
unfortunately for the Giants, everybody affiliated with the Giants right
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now is the antagonist. There there are no heroes in
this story right now.
Speaker 4 (06:38):
That's just saying from being one of them, an underdog
will emerge. Somebody, let me be your hero, singing like
you're Enrique Iglesias, let's go.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
Yeah, it isn't there, I promise you it's there's no
heroes there. Look Daniel Jones, he can at times really
look solid. I mean he've he's had a couple of
a couple of seasons now where he's flirted with looking
like a top ten quarterback. The problem is he's had
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a lot of bad ones. And when when you're injury
prone and you've had a bunch of real rough seasons
mixed in or bad moments mixed in with the good moments,
you really you start to think to yourself, I mean,
can this guy? Can this guy start in this league?
I mean they just paid him like he was a
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top of the second tier quarterback, and can he even
start in this league? Like that's where we're at now
with Daniel Jones. So a lot to be proved at
that position. Frankly, a lot to be proved at the
head coaching position. I wouldn't be I wouldn't be be
completely shocked if this season John Mara and company decide
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to see what Brian Dabole, who is a supposed quarterback whisper,
can do with Daniel Jones, and if it goes better
than advertised, better than they thought, they hang on to him,
and maybe not Daniel Jones, but they hang on to Dable.
If this goes sideways, though, I think the I think
the whole team gets cleared out. I think they're gonna
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start from scratch. I think it'll be quarterback and head
coach and everybody associated with both. It's going to be
a fire sale and we're scrapping this and we're starting
over again.
Speaker 4 (08:24):
One hundred percent. At Orenburger, where you find him on Twitter.
You hear him every morning seven sixty down in San Dieg.
You can find that on the iHeartRadio app. Of course,
Saturday mornings he's with Brian and Jared talking all things,
wagering that college football, wagering coming back soon. And then
on Sunday he's trying to calm down Steve Hartman for
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whatever he's ranting about in a given moment. But you know,
the Giants not one of the training camps I'm looking
forward to. They would rank towards the bottom, and are
we wait and see and again, Jones a guy that
you hopefully he can stay upright because you saw some
good things two years ago and then rough start to
the year, neck injury, all of that stuff. But that's
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neither here or other. That's regular season with Bill Belichick
still lurking out there, your former coach, trying to find
himself a way back into the league. So the Giants
being one of those teams where it's like, well, maybe
for sensibility purposes is gonna happen. But I look at
from interesting camps. Selfishly, you know Steven and Justin working
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with the broadcast team with the Chargers, I'm very excited
about the Jim Harbaugh era, you know, relentless enthusiasm and
bringing in the former Ravens backs and seeing what they
do with Justin Herbert as they move forward. So selfishly
because it's localized Rich, I mean, they're number one on
the board for me because I think Harbaugh himself is
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just a fascinating study.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
I agree. I think it's a fascinating training camp. If
I were to rattle off my top five, let's go,
and I want you to stop me where you find
interest or maybe at the end of the list we
could review.
Speaker 4 (10:01):
Sure, yeah, because I've got my five written down as well.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
So okay, I'll give you these five and you tell
me which ones you want to hear from Deeper Dive. Steelers, Cowboys, Patriots, Browns, Eagles.
Those are the five that I think are the most
fascinating heading into training campaign again. Steelers, Cowboys, Patriots, Brown's Eagles.
Speaker 4 (10:25):
Okay, yeah, each one of them has a massive story.
The Patriots one, I guess is just it swirls in
the background for me. But since it's your former team, yeah, explain.
Speaker 5 (10:37):
It to me.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
Well, so that one it's it's it's basically twofold. So
there wasn't a lot of thought process around the Miko
Ryans getting anything done with the Houston Texans when he
took on the head coaching job, and you saw what
a great, not a good, but a great rookie quarterback
can do to a franchise with an eager and hungry
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head coach who really did a nice job shaping out
a defense after time and creating an atmosphere that players
wanted to win. There was no give up there in Houston.
Drawd Mail very similar path went from being a linebacker
in this league straight into the coaching headset. And he
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obviously played understudy to Bill Belichick and rose through the
ranks and he earned this job. And so going from
defensive coordinator to head coach in this league right now,
that is not the topic, doujour. People really think you
need an offensive minded head coach have success. Well, Damika
Ryans kind of flipped his four fingers off his chin
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to the rest of the league and said, you know,
watch me dance. I could do it, and he did,
and I'm telling you right now it's a dance beat
that a lot of other teams should follow. Look for
a leader. Mike Tomlin defensive minded head coach, but he's
a leader. Tamika Ryans, defensive head coach, but he's a leader.
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If Drake May has the goods, look out, I think
I think the Patriots could be one of those sneaky teams.
They're playing in a tough division. But if it goes
well during training camp, and we'll see what the reports
look like with Drake May, that's gonna be the lynchpin here.
But if it goes well during training camp, the Patriots
all of a sudden could become one of those very
interesting teams in their early season.
Speaker 4 (12:21):
Yeah, I like the cut of your gym. That's a
fine explanation. And you tie in Houston because that's a
team that obviously is on everybody's radar. So you know,
I kind of have them and the Bears as they
go towards the Hall of Fame game, we'll get to
see the Bears play out on hard knocks. But remember
last year, if the Bears stayed where they were in theory,
you could have taken CJS straft yep would you have necessarily?
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Because I love all the revisionist history of it all right,
because go back to twenty seventeen when everybody's like, well,
they could have had Mahomes if they didn't do that
stupid trubisky things like no, no, no. The guy they
would have drafted, if you went from pure logic and
where they were, would have been to Shan Watson. Now, dude,
the compare contrast of what Deshaun Watson is was as
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a player in the off field. That's the guy you
probably would have selected if you were just going off
the resume and expectations. And then you move forward to
last year. Would they have chosen him or Bryce Young?
I don't know, but they get their second bite of
the apple with all of the trades and a bolstered
offense around Caleb Williams. So those two teams I think
are kind of tied together. You mentioned Cleveland because again
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it is the Deshaun Watson. You got a roster that
you love right Defensively, some weaponry, Chubb comes back off injury.
All of that it plays together. So all of it
goes back to you did really well with backup tertiary quarterbacks,
Joe Flacco off the couch. What does it look like
this year in a tough division where the Steelers have
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the Russell Wilson justin fields battle Cowboys are always interesting
just because. And then the Eagles. One of the subplots
to all of this was, you know, the Sirianni and
Jalen her relationship after the changing out of the coordinators. Rich,
I mean that second half of the season, they only
got saved from some of the bad headlines because the
Jaguars were such a mess.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
Yeah, yeah, it's true. Yeah, that's why the Eagles made
my list as well. I mean the Browns obvious reasons. Look,
that's a playoff team with Joe Flacco and the five
other quarterbacks who appeared other or four other than Deshaun Watson.
I'm curious if he could carry a whole season. They
still don't have that answer. And the Eagles, like you
just mentioned, I mean, Siriani is a heartbeat away from
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losing this job. It all comes down to this season
to keep the band together at Philly, so it's gonna
be a very very interesting situation out there during training
camp as well.
Speaker 4 (14:42):
All Right, the rest of my list, I had the
Chargers up top, mentioned the Bears slashtacks. Those are notity here,
they're there Arizona. I'm still a Kyler guy. It's like
I root for all the older guys in the league
to keep playing, so I don't feel so old. Rich
is also the you know, any guy that's about my
height or thereabouts I have to cheer for. So Kyler
Murray coming back looked pretty good in spots last year.
(15:04):
We'll see if that can continue now that you bring
in Marvin Harrison Junior the Colts and Anthony richardson a
team that is built and constructed pretty interestingly in a
division that I think is going to be cannibalism. Yeah
right when you look at what Because I'm a Will
Levis guy, so I'm gonna put Tennessee in as my
fifth squad, staying a lot of AFC South in a
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division outside of Houston. Nobody wants to talk about if
we can do the Jaguars another time. I'm sure you'll
be back with me before long. So plenty of time
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That's why we have a brand new podcast called over Promised.
You see, we're having so much fun in our two
hour show. We never get to everything, honestly, because this
guy is over promising things.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
We never have time for.
Speaker 5 (17:15):
Yeah, you blubber listen, Jam and me. Well you know
what it's called over promise. You should be good at
it because you've been over promising women for years. Well,
it's a Covino and Rich after show, and we want
you to be a part of it. We're gonna be
talking sports, of course, but we're also gonna talk life
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(17:38):
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Speaker 6 (17:45):
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Speaker 4 (17:57):
Hey, welcome back in Fox Sports Radio Jason Smitch Show
with Me Mike Harmon, No Jason Tonight, Doctor Rich Ornberger
in his stead coming up in about a half hour.
We'll get into doctor Rich's quick fixes for a couple
of squads, maybe your favorite squad. He's got the prescription
and it might be more than cow Bell, but we'll
figure that out as we go. At Ornberger where you
(18:19):
find him on Twitter find me over at Swollen Dome.
As we come to you from the Tirac dot Com,
Fox Sports Radio Studios. US Men's National Team Living and
Dying by the Exploits of one Lebron James eleven points
in a row to close things out today in a
hard fought win over Germany. The final tune up here,
Rich over the last week, you've seen a six point
(18:43):
win over Australia, now they were beating them down and
watched Australia with a frant to come back. We've got
proud Mary on the ones and twos talking about South
Sudan and that big effort a one point victory. And
if those two guys hadn't collided at the rim after
Anthony Edwards fell asleep on def who knows what would
have happened. Should have called off foul man. Well there's
(19:04):
that too, but you know he swallow the whistle in
the final second, succeed and proceed. But plus forty three
and a half man, that is one hell of an
f we did great.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
Yeah, proud of my team.
Speaker 4 (19:16):
Yeah, we talked a lot about the history, right, thirteen
years and.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
Nation in July nine eleven. Incredible. Yeah, it's been great.
Speaker 4 (19:24):
So she just had a big beaming smile on her
face the whole night, Rich.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
As you should. That was an, I mean an unfortunate
showing for Team USA because if you think about it,
I mean there's no reason anybody should even and it
doesn't matter how long you're a country or how long
you've been playing basketball, nobody should be able to run
with with Team US. But I think what happened was
they were treating South suit end like it was an
(19:48):
all star game, and then as a result, they got caught.
And that's gonna happen because basketball is a global sport now,
and so there's no there's there's no stop upping a hungry,
eager unit if you're not going to show up with
your best game. And finally in the second half they
turned on the after burners and it was just enough,
(20:10):
just soon enough to get the wa.
Speaker 4 (20:13):
But you saw some great three point shooting in that
game from the Sudanese team, and certainly from Shayok. He
was fantastic, twenty four points in that one steph Curry
heated up second half. Lebron takes it home today a
four point win over Germany, again Lebron helping to close
that out, and then he gets the honor of being
(20:35):
the flag bearer for the US, the men's flag bear.
We're gonna have this big thing that's been promoted for
several weeks now, this giant parade of boats rolling towards
the Big Events Center and the opening ceremony. So he's
on the men's side. It's the first time that an
NBA player has had the honor. We had Sue Byrd
(20:58):
has had the honor in the past, going back to
twenty twenty, I believe there.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
Was what was it?
Speaker 4 (21:06):
There was another one, Oh, Don Steally. Don Staley had
done it as well. So there's Steve Disager, you know,
bringing back in and then we go back through and
immediately and as we were bringing this up, you know, Rich,
you asked the well, what happened in nineteen ninety two,
we had Franci LaRue Smith. Oh wow, track and field athlete.
(21:28):
She used the flag bearer, third female American athlete to
make five Olympic teams. And then on the the men's side,
it was a guy named Peter Westbrook. He was a fencer.
He had the saber, not to be confused with saber
from the office right giving you fire laden printers.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
Well, listen, I think there was a time where the
Olympics were viewed as at least in the United States,
maybe not globally, as an amateur sporting event to promote
these sports that you oftentimes don't get to hear about
during your calendar year. And so yeah, fencer and a
five time, you know, Olympic gymnast, they get, they get
(22:10):
the call to the front of the room. But really
that the Olympics for me at least, and I think
it's it's been done somewhat intentionally, has changed a lot.
It's absolutely become more and more a marketing ploy to
help these athletes expand their brands. And I'm not hating
on it. You can't hate the player. You kind of
(22:31):
can hate the game, I guess, but I don't hate
the game either, because I appreciate the Olympics for what
it is. We talked about this a little bit last
week on this program when I was jumping in with Jason,
I said, I kind of like the idea that everybody
is doing the same thing at the same time. It's
it's kind of nice, you know. And when when global
attention gets paid to something normally it's something negative, you know,
(22:54):
in the spirit of competition in sport, I'm kind of
cool with even if it is being exploited as a
mare marketing event for a lot of people in a
lot of countries. Whatever. At least we're not, you know,
tuning into the televisions because a war is breaking out
globally and it's more just beach volleyball in front of
the Eiffel Tower.
Speaker 4 (23:13):
But that's just it, right, It's all about the pop
and circumstance, the pageantry. And you know people still belly
ache every year about the commercialization of Christmas and other
holidays or made up holidays. All right, take a deep breath,
find a hug and move on the same.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
Thing here, you know.
Speaker 4 (23:31):
You know it's the Kevin durantline from years ago. You
don't like it, you don't watch the WNBA will resume,
you know, as Caitlin Clark so brilliantly put us, like, hey,
i'll see all in a month. I'm out, you know,
after the WNBA All Stars won over the Olympic team
in that exhibition, like that was a crazy Saturday, right,
(23:51):
the men's team with the narrow escape against South Sudan.
And then later on we watched Eriqueo Goomble who said, hey,
there's too much politics in this selection process, so I'm out.
And as we predicted on the show that she was
going to go off, I also wanted to see the Olympians.
Just say, all right, loser stays home. Match Rich Hornberger.
(24:13):
That's what I was calling for going into that one.
If you lose to Angel Rees, Caitlin Clark and Cheryl Miller,
you stay home. That's right, especially coach Reeve because her
attitude quite frankly, has stunk through this entire process for
the w NBA. But that's me editorializing in the moment.
But you know, for the the other honor, we'll find out,
(24:35):
you know what woman gets selected. Some own Biles has
already done this before, so maybe it's Ladecki. We'll see
some of the celebrated athletes that are out there. But
you know, back to your original point, it's like it's
all competition. You've seen the world in a lot of spaces,
especially in basketball, catch up to where the competition is
at lopside, and who knows, maybe at this it's it's
(24:58):
all for Steve Current company. It'll be once the bell
rings for quote real this time it counts, then maybe
it's at my signal unleash hell, like at a gladiator
and they go and they just pummel these squads. I
don't necessarily know that'll be the case, but I.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
Feel like now again, I haven't tuned in for every
second of every game they've played leading up, but they've
won all of them, you know, against against opponents Canada,
South to tod and Germany to my knowledge, are the
three games that they played leading up to Olympic event events.
I should say it's I'm not saying it's impossible for
(25:37):
a team USA to win, but they are overwhelmingly talented.
And in baseball, look, you need to have a strong
starting staff or I should say a strong pitching staff.
Sometimes you get you through a game altogether. You definitely
need to have a lineup who's you know, maybe the
hitting needs to be contagious, especially if you're going against
an eager squad with good bats at the plate, you know,
(25:59):
and in football it's eleven guys on the field at
the same time. One guy does something wrong, you're screwed
on the play. You do that enough, you'll lose games.
With basketball, and I don't want to oversimplify it because
it's more than this. You know, there is a team aspect,
of course, but typically, and Mike, you've watched a lot
of basketball too, typically the team with the best five wins,
(26:23):
you know, and when close, when big it, they still
usually win. And that's what we've seen from Team USA
during these warm up matches. We'll see what happens, like
you said, when the hand drops and you know, you know,
actual total war breaks out and it's for all of
the chips. I'm curious what happens then? Will these be
(26:45):
closer games all the way through? Maybe maybe the world's
caught up in a lot of ways. I'm not sure,
but I feel like, at least on the forefront of
this conversation, I doubt it. I feel like that Team
USA is going to have an easy is your handle
of the competition? Then? I think then then maybe what
the preseason let's call it, has eluded us.
Speaker 4 (27:07):
Well, I would say say, to this right, add the
Australian game to everything we've seen. Rich. It's the the
idea that a lot of folks were doing what they
do and dismissing the past, whereas the older crowd clinging
to the past when we start talking about the dream
team or whatever. But the hyperboles surrounding this squad, the
(27:28):
greatest assembly of players ever in the greatest collection of
talent and depth and everything else. Oh you still need
to play with some continuity. You still need to be
able to take care of the basketball, which at times,
to your point, looks like an All Star game. Hey,
I'm just gonna gotta fling it there, my gota run
under it, right, not quite Harlem Globe Drodders style, but
(27:49):
not far off at times either. And then you're saved
by Lebron James in the final moments of the last
couple of games, to be sure, But to that point
point right, it's it's the exhibition part of it and
trying to figure out, you know, if a lot of
folks are gonna have to do maya kulpa's pretty fast
if every game looks like that. We've seen these last couple,
(28:12):
how great are they?
Speaker 3 (28:13):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (28:15):
And I was like, you know, succeed and proceed in
the end if you if you get the W, does
it matter well? Yeah, right, style points though in our
business generally count them.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
Well and they do matter with Team USA. For other teams, yeah,
survive in evance. I completely agree with that thought process.
But not for Team USA.
Speaker 4 (28:33):
No, not when you're favored by forty three. Now, when
you're expected to go and bludge folks and look that
the international rules plus three point shots will will level
things out to a degree. Right, you get a guy
or two on a team that get hot, like we
saw in that game against South Sudan, and they're moving
the ball back up the court. They're not giving you
a chance to rest, right, I was joking. It kind
(28:57):
of looked like a game. I was watching a soccer
game the other day and it's like, you're basically trying
to do the just clear the zone so you get
a breath because the attack is that that much. And
that's what South Sudan did. It's like, all right, we're
gonna run you. Oh yeah, ye, you're right. This is
not a fun exhibition for us. We're trying to prove something.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
Well. They had a perfect plan that they executed perfectly,
you know, and and luck was on their side. And
by the way, luck does matter. Yeah, you could be
a great athlete, Yeah, certainly, you could play for a
great coach and be a part of a system that
coordinates with your skill set, and this is any sport,
but you also need to have some level of luck.
(29:36):
You need to have the right days at the right times.
And for South Student everything came together against Team USA
could not have gone better for them, And frankly, let's
be also wary of over simplifying the win for or
I should say, the near loss for the US, because
they didn't perform even close to what they're capable of. Now,
(29:59):
what are they capable of? I'm not sure. I don't
know where the ceiling is, but I certainly know that
was pretty close to the basement what we saw to that. Yeah,
and it's still and it's still got them a w
playing about as bad of basketball as they possibly could
have played for just about three quarters until two of
the stars absolutely woke up and flamed them. It really
(30:22):
was too close of a game for comfort. Steve Kerr said,
we learned a lot. I think it was good for US.
I tend to agree. I think they got a little
taste of what kind of embarrassment waits for them if
they come home with anything less than the gold. Because
there was some harsh criticisms being lobbed and volleyed across
social media. And we know these players, you know, Kevin
(30:44):
Durant for all of the you know, cool guy expressions
that he'll rattle off during interviews, he's sensitive and he
admits as much, you know, things to you affect him.
He hears people, the trolls on social media, he responds
to them sometimes. Steph Curry is a social media guy.
He's he was born in that age, coming out of Davidson.
The Golden State Warrior Warriors dynasty was arguably the first
(31:06):
dynasty of the social media era, you know. So, so
he's a part of that culture. Lebron James certainly. I
mean he's he's marketed himself better than any basketball player
on the planet. And a huge strategy for him was
using social media to allowing fans to get closer to
him and his family. And oh my goodness, it's benefited
(31:29):
him so much because half of his family is playing
in the NFL in the NBA. Now, So I mean,
good job, Broad, good job Broad. You know. Sure. So
it's a it's a thing, man. I I if they
they got a taste of the embarrassment they'll feel on
social media on Twitter, on Instagram, if they actually do
come home with silver or bronze or less.
Speaker 4 (31:50):
No, and they all have rabbit ears, so they know
what what is out there and everybody and they have
the receipts. Coming up next, we'll take a turn back
to the futility of my squad a question being asked
on the interwebs, and I'll say yes with an emphatic yes.
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Speaker 3 (32:36):
Be sure to catch live editions of the Jason Smith
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Speaker 4 (32:43):
Hey, welcome back in Fox Sports Radio Jason Smith Show
with Me, Mike Harmon, Rich Hornberger in for Jason Smith.
And in ten minutes, the doctor's got a prescription for
a couple of teams to take them from would be
contenders to maybe Kings of the Mountain. We'll talk about
that in ten minutes as we talk anfl here on
the show. But you know I'd have to respond to
(33:05):
a tweet that I got just a little while ago,
Rich coming up from our guy face mask face Palm's Dean.
No snark intended here at all. We're both long suffering
Chicago sports fans. The White Sox are gonna lose one
hundred games? Do you want them to break the record
of one hundred and twenty losses sixty two mets? As
(33:26):
a Cup fan, I'd like to be like, yeah, we're bad,
might as well accomplish something. And that's my whole thing.
It's a mantra of the show, Rich Ornberger. If you're
gonna fail, fail spectacularly, take your big swing and go
out in style. So this is where as we get
to the trade deadline. Anybody who's calling, anybody who's asking
(33:46):
crishe if he's gonna be in a Dodger uniform, great,
go see which guys are cast offs of there should
have been, would have been prospects that they've maybe soured
on enough to where they're not cracking the forty man
or certainly the active lineup, and just go on down
the line. Who else you want? You want Lewis Robert
(34:06):
to take him go through the process, and yes, go
chase the sixty two Mets and their one hundred and
twenty losses. At least that's my thinking.
Speaker 2 (34:16):
Year. Yeah, go down in a blaze of glory. Look,
I think, if I haven't missed my guests, there aren't
a ton of sellers around major League Baseball. So there
are certain teams who can certainly make a killing if
they want to peace out their major league squad and
you know, try to have a revival in a year
(34:37):
or two, maybe three. The White Sox, the fall has
been pretty steep because this was a team that was
a burgeoning success not too long ago, and it's been
just completely torn apart. And you know, I guess at
some point somebody will do the autopsy and tell us
what exactly went wrong, telling happened, I'll.
Speaker 3 (35:00):
Tell you right now.
Speaker 4 (35:02):
Go it tried tried to take a little bit of
the Braves model. And all of those you rolled snake
guys on every one of them. You tried to pay
guys in advance, say hey, if we can lock them up.
And one of the things Reinsdorf doesn't do is go
over the top with big money deals. I think they're
one of two or three teams left the A's and
their eight thousand attendance per game, fourteen percent capacity. Rich
(35:26):
Hornberger is what they're playing to on a nightly basis.
But it's and then I think maybe there's one more team.
I want to say it was the Royals, but eventually
they're gonna pay Bobby Wood Junior after heroics like tonight,
but that don't have a one hundred million dollar contract
that they haven't done it. And but for the White Sox,
they did it with Lewis Robert, they did it with
Elo Jimenez, they did it with a couple of others.
(35:48):
Remember they were highly invested in jose A Brew and
he dropped off a cliff and then you watched what
happened as a member of the Astros and and where
he's trying to reclaim things now with Jimenez, can't stay
healthy with Robert has had some big spots. You on, Mancatta,
keep on going down the line. Guys they paid thinking
they would be lynch pins failed. And then from the
(36:11):
pitching side, guys you were banking on, you decided to
shuffle off and deal and they've gone on to greatness elsewhere.
Chris Sale, it took a while, but now he's a
thirteen game winner at the break with the Braves. Rodin
won again for the Yankees. He's been a little bit
on even but and some highways and byways in between.
But again the point being what that you had as
(36:32):
a base you broke up, and the other spare parts
you can't get on the field together.
Speaker 2 (36:37):
And which is to say, it's for every great team
out there who has built and has had success, obviously
the equal but opposite is going to occur. It's it's
almost like Newton's second law. Look at you, it really is.
It's it's it's it's amazing how consistent consistent this is.
(36:58):
When you look at baseball, you look at the NFL,
you look at the NBA, for all the great teams,
there's usually the three or four that are dragon and
so it's like clockwork. It's a race to the middle
for most teams. And then you have outliers and the
outliers in this case, you know, on the one side,
it looks like it's the Phillies or it's the you know,
(37:19):
the I don't know, maybe it's the Cleveland Guardians, who knows.
But on the opposite side of that spectrum, it's the
White Sox.
Speaker 4 (37:27):
Yeah, there we are, right, I mean we do it,
and I mean we've done it. In the football side, right,
it's been the Bears and they were better last year,
but you're still waiting for the other shoe to drop.
You've talked about Cleveland, Well, they got it right last year.
Is that going to be consistent? Don't know. The Jets
they have the pieces, Will it work, don't know. But
those are the teams that are always the laughing stock.
(37:50):
As long as Jerry Ryansdorff still running the White Sox,
it's business as usual. He's rich And for Jason, I'm
Mike doctor Rich puts on his cap,
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