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July 15, 2025 • 40 mins

Jason and Mike breakdown the NFL's QB polling rankings and debate if Jalen Hurts deserves a higher spot on the list.  Minnesota Twins All-Star Pitcher Joe Ryan joins the show. And the Dallas Mavericks shut down Cooper Flagg for the remainder of Summer League! 

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Speaker 3 (00:54):
Posted right after we get off the air.

Speaker 1 (00:56):
Well, the home Run Derby is in the books and
the Big Dumper cal Rally wins it eighteen home runs
Junior Commonero with fifteen. He takes home the Mustard Belt
as the fourth of July Hot Dog Home Run Derby
eating champion and I'll give you a hot take home
run Derby was fixed. It was fixed fixed. Yeah, who's
the guy we all talked about going to the home

(01:17):
run derby? Cal Rally who won? Cal Rawley bump fixed, fixed, done?

Speaker 3 (01:22):
What it was?

Speaker 1 (01:22):
Maybe his dad's other than hitting him. Yeah, was the
best pitcher out there today.

Speaker 3 (01:27):
Dad, we gotta throw suspicion off. Just hit me once
or twice.

Speaker 1 (01:31):
Yeah, I got it, but not really hard, just like
you know, just make it look good.

Speaker 4 (01:35):
Okay, just make it look good.

Speaker 3 (01:36):
Now you go back into the odds.

Speaker 1 (01:39):
Raleigh was the favorite at plus two ninety five, James
winning the most money bet on him. He was nearly
five to one. O'Neil Cruz was the second favorite plus
three thirty. He gave you a thrill with that five
hundred and thirteen foot home run. Got to the semi
long shot was actually Junior Commonero, who was a long
had longer odds than he asked.

Speaker 3 (02:00):
Chisholm, who gave us three thirty eight swings. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that.

Speaker 1 (02:04):
Was Uh you look at the home runs in the
first round sixteen seventeen, twenty one, twenty one, twenty three,
seventeen fifteen, Oh Jazz, Chisholm, Come on, man, come on,
and I mean he had to be rooting for Like,
there's three guys that were making less money playing this
year than they would have gotten as their prize, right,
because he gets the cool looking chain. Uh huh, she
gets the championship belt. Yeah, not mustard colored, but I

(02:27):
guess that's good. Uh No, actual mustard was used in
the product. And then he gets a million dollar prize,
a million dollar prize again being a larger than the
salaries and three of the other participants in these year events.
My dad is real upset too, because chishom is one
of his favorite, like his three favorite Yankees or Judge
and Chisholm and Coal.

Speaker 3 (02:48):
And so he's like when Judge, yeahbcam got to see you.

Speaker 1 (02:51):
I bet you this kid, my dad, I bet you
this kid wows everybody. And I'm like, oh, so, I
tell you. I text him about a half hour ago. Hey,
my nuts down? How did Je just doing a home
run derby? And I have not gotten a response yet.

Speaker 3 (03:04):
No, I wouldn't suspect you, won't. I bet you this Kase.

Speaker 1 (03:07):
He loves Jack ever since they got him. It's like,
I'm like, Dad, you talk about him like he's Mantle
and Mariss but those are his three guys. But he
got a lot of swings in sure, sure, yeah, oh yeah.
Volume the anticipation though, that's part of it. When we
talk about the home run derby, right, did he get
it all?

Speaker 3 (03:24):
No, he got none of it. Volume, sweat he was swinging.

Speaker 1 (03:28):
If you run, if you take all my outs and
put them, you know, back to back with each other,
like would they count for home runs? Like if I
had two hundred and fifty pop outs? Could could you
put him together? Give me a home run down the line?

Speaker 3 (03:40):
Can that work? I gotta get that.

Speaker 1 (03:42):
I mean, he's got seventeen home runs on the year,
so it's as solid amount.

Speaker 3 (03:46):
Yeah, but not exactly. No one has a home run. God,
I gotta I.

Speaker 1 (03:51):
Gotta think this is probably and I mean, as I
know it's a hot take, this is probably his last
home run. You think I don't know that he's going
to be back in after Well you might really trained
for it. He might just decide to help with it.
I'm no longer going to try to hit for any
home runs or nothing, home runs or nothing. That's what
I'm doing home. Man, he's only a two fifty hitter,
so he's not doing the other part too much either.

Speaker 3 (04:11):
But all of that to say, he gave it the
old college try sure, sure showed up?

Speaker 1 (04:16):
Yeah again home runs in the first round sixteen seventeen,
twenty one, twenty one, twenty three, seventeen fifteen. It's like
a bad first pitch. You're always going to be remembered
for this.

Speaker 3 (04:27):
That's true. So that sounds true. It's the first all right, okay,
all right? Well that three home runs? Could that be
the least ever?

Speaker 2 (04:34):
Could be?

Speaker 3 (04:34):
I don't know, I don't know, And you know, can
anybody pull up lame after swings? Does? I can't imagine
you had any less?

Speaker 1 (04:41):
Does the great researcher Sarah Langs have a thing on
the the fewest home runs in the first you know,
in the first round of a home run Derby.

Speaker 3 (04:47):
I gotta think that that's got to be close to it.

Speaker 1 (04:51):
I really, I think they even hit more home runs
per inny in the old Home Run Derby Show, which
was actually played like a baseball game, so it can
radulation to the big dumper Cal Roley fixed. Wait no,
I'm just kidding. When's the home run Derby tonight again?
Getting in with by the by the hair of his
chinny chin chin in the first round and then is

(05:13):
able to do one thing that we don't normally see,
and that's hey get better as the rounds going becau.
Usually guys get a big first round, they get tired
and they can't hold on. He got better as.

Speaker 3 (05:22):
It went on.

Speaker 1 (05:23):
No, I'm going and doing the research. We actually can
get down to his zero. I think, really there was
someone who had zero home runs? Please tell me wasn't
a MET? Actually got nineteen guys with zero since its
inception in nineteen guys at no home run in a
home run derby nineteen guys of it, no home runs.

(05:43):
I'm going in. I'm finally in a quick search. We
gotta call Sarah Langzey. Yeah we got I mean we can't.
I mean some of the names that are that are
listed here, I can't. I can't believe. Oh give me
a clause.

Speaker 3 (05:57):
I'm trying to go back to the old format. Like
what am I missing?

Speaker 1 (06:00):
Because you got guys like Beniha, Chris Sabo Piazza twice.

Speaker 3 (06:06):
Oh no home runs? Twice in a home run That's
the thing, Like I'm trying to tell me, wasn't a met?
Tell me wasn't a met for that.

Speaker 1 (06:13):
Tell me was before time brown which started in twenty fifteen. Okay,
before time Browns when you the answer is jazz chisholm Jr.

Speaker 3 (06:22):
Okay, so changing theol.

Speaker 1 (06:24):
So what Frostburg saying is the modern era, it's jazz
jes Okay, very good, but still it doesn't change the
fact that Mike Piazza had no home runs. And yeah,
so Gary Guy, Eddie Ken Griffy Junior sighting like there's
there's a lot of names out here.

Speaker 3 (06:39):
Okay, all right, makes me want to go.

Speaker 1 (06:40):
Back and watch old home run Derby for the thrill
of the potential of them getting a big zero.

Speaker 3 (06:46):
And now we can let Sarah Langes off the whole. Okay, God,
we got it. We're good, we had it. We got it.

Speaker 5 (06:50):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (06:50):
Now, big story out of the NFL, actually two stories.
One let me just say this. One of the big
stories earlier in the day was ESPN serve coaches, scouts, insiders,
personnel men across the NFL and had their list of
the They ranked the quarterbacks one through thirty two in

(07:10):
the NFL. Okay, this again, coaches, scouts, personnel men, everybody
ask them all, hey, give us your list, your top quarterbacks. Okay,
yep again, coaches, personnel, scouts, numerous people people out the
league to come up with a top five list that

(07:32):
we gave you in bleep in January that were the
top five quarterbacks in the NFL. Right, I'm looking back
January sixteenth when we talked about this because I see
it it's on Twitter.

Speaker 3 (07:43):
We talked about it.

Speaker 1 (07:44):
Remember, I remember saying, there's four great quarterbacks in the
NFL from the perspective of guys that win, that can
win games themselves and make everybody around them better. Right,
that's the mark of a great quarterback. Obviously, you got
to win. You have to be able to win games
by yourself, and you got to make everybody around you better.
Suddenly all the list of elite quarterbacks gets get shaken down,

(08:05):
and I said, there were four guys, Lamar Jackson, Josh Allen,
Patrick Mahomes, and Joe Burrow. And at that point you
said you have to add Jaden Daniels to that list.
There's your top five quarterbacks in the NFL that win,
win games by themselves, make everybody around him better. That's
the five guys who do that. Burrow, Lamar, Alan, Mahomes

(08:26):
and Jaden Daniels. This tells me I cannot only be
a coach. I can be a GM, I can be
a scout, I can be a personnel guy. And you're
saving money because I can do all of these jobs.
Apparently these were the guys. Like in January, I gave
you're your top five quarterbacks in the NFL.

Speaker 3 (08:42):
This was the list. This was the list right here.
You're so proud of yourself. Well, I can't keep your job.

Speaker 1 (08:50):
I can't sound surprised, but I mean really, I mean,
I'm like, I'm like my own personal AI like I
got like the Daniels thing. Worried about Jase numberre Hey, hi,
Jason Smith's gonna come. He new stuff in January. Had
to talk up to the whole league about that. He said,
he well, I mean we do the ahead of the curve.
I mean all the time. I mean, there's no question
about it. The Daniels. This is the sixth person ahead
of the curve, right, Daniels, ahead of Jalen Hurts. We

(09:10):
talked with Jason Locking for a little bit last hour
about the the Sirianni comments, and you know it's bs.
You know that this guy's not just along for the ride.
So he's the guy that is always got the big
question mark next to him. You've got a bunch of
other guys who performed well in regular seasons, but we've
seen postseason meltdowns Jared Goff, We've seen other.

Speaker 3 (09:33):
Guys that were once great or can have runs.

Speaker 1 (09:37):
You know, you got a guy like Matthew Stafford, who
is everybody's favorite quarterback, that didn't win until he left
Detroit to head to LA and then started getting his run.
But now you're questioning where he's at on that Panthea
had had a great finale to last year, the second half,
and certainly a good playoff run. But all of that
to say, yeah, there's a big divide and this this

(10:00):
is where we've always been with the quarterback position, going
back to when you and I started chatting about fantasy
football many many years ago.

Speaker 3 (10:07):
What have we got? All right?

Speaker 1 (10:08):
You got five, six, maybe eight guys that you really
feel good about and everybody else, and why do we
have it as low as eight?

Speaker 3 (10:15):
Those were the only guys that played sixteen games in
a season.

Speaker 1 (10:18):
That's why we would always have it down to eight,
because after that, it was all right, that guy played twelve,
that guy played ten, that guy missed two months, all
of those things. So we talk about that kind of
process and for this current list, yeah, the Fantastic four.
I was actually just seeing the memes that are going

(10:39):
out and people making fun of the fact that they're
putting up the four horsemen symbol right at all. They're pressing, eh,
here's the four and arn Anderson was pissed, Hey, you
can't steal that from us. Now wait a minute, he said,
And I agree with him, but it's that you've got
those four guys and then you start to argue for five, six, seven.
But certainly Jayden Daniels acquitted himself quite nicely.

Speaker 3 (10:59):
To that fact.

Speaker 1 (11:00):
And you know, look, and it's funny we talk about
this because the guy that's we had sixth on the
list after the Super Bowl, when I said, hey, the
guy sixth on the list is clearly Jalen Hurts, Right,
Jalen Hurts is clear saying the super.

Speaker 3 (11:13):
Bowl he had, the playoffs dat he had.

Speaker 1 (11:15):
And that goes into the story today about how Nick
Sirianni had to defend his had to defend Jalen Hurts
among criticism that the Eagles carried him and was along
for the ride during their Super Bowl run. Sirianni's saying today, quote,
I think that's bull blank. Yeah, it's Sirianni that the
Eagles carried Jalen Hurts, he said, quote he plays the

(11:38):
most important position in all of sports, and it's the
most ultimate team game there is. Okay, so we have
that bit with Jalen Hurts to get to coming up
in the comments because yay, we had.

Speaker 3 (11:48):
The top five. Great we told your top five. Jalen
Hurts is right there.

Speaker 1 (11:51):
He's part of a big story today, but also, as
we said, part of a big story home run derby
which was just won by Cal Rawley. Joining us now
on the hotline Minnesota Twins all star Joe Ryan, who
took in the derby tonight. Joe, what's it like as
a pitcher seeing all those home runs go flying out
of the ballpark?

Speaker 6 (12:08):
It is kind of weird. I'll be honest. Some of
them like rooting for him, but it feels it feels
a little different. But Colla's a special hitter, so it's
cool to see him. It's great seat buck out there
doing the thing, and sure that I was his boys,
but yeah, great night.

Speaker 1 (12:20):
Overall, what do you make of O'Neil Cruz's home run
that was apparently nine hundred feet still going.

Speaker 6 (12:28):
Yeah, I mean we just played them the other day,
so it was something I was thinking about. I mean,
he's got power with one arm and then you give
them both. I mean, I wouldn't be surprised at.

Speaker 1 (12:36):
The one hundred feet.

Speaker 6 (12:37):
It's pretty special as a reliever.

Speaker 1 (12:40):
And as you throw the you know pitches and what
the crack of the bat? Right we're watching it and
you hear that. Do you have flashbacks when you hear
the crack of the bat?

Speaker 6 (12:52):
No, usually in my head. I mean with some of
these guys, you can't get your head around freaking out.
That's already out of the yard. So, I mean it's
a it's a cool perspective. It's great to see everyone
out there. It was awesome. The fans were great here
and just like we're all an awesome experience and cool.
Does see Junior do a thing too? I mean he's
so talented at such a young age. I mean, he
had a really good shot at doing it and just

(13:13):
it was in a flow and it was fun to watch.

Speaker 1 (13:16):
Now. I know you said that a couple of things
you want to do with the All Star Games. You
want to talk to Yamamoto, you want to talk to
Jacob deGrom and kind of pick their brains a little bit.
Have you had that chance to talk to anybody who
wanted to yet?

Speaker 6 (13:27):
Yeah, the gram was holding court for a group of
guys today and just kind of going over his grips
and what he's thinking, and it's just cool. I mean,
he's obviously one of the best to do it, and
just seeing him, I mean take the time there and
just talk to talk about getting better and what he's
working on. Smart guy and so always always going to
listen to him.

Speaker 1 (13:46):
So as as you get into these kind of events,
like what, what's the first thing you want to do
as you get around, you go around getting autographs?

Speaker 3 (13:54):
Is it just catching up?

Speaker 1 (13:55):
Uh?

Speaker 4 (13:55):
You know what, what's.

Speaker 6 (13:59):
And taking it all in and enjoying everything it's been.
It's been super fun so far. So I'll enjoy everything
tomorrow and get out there and uh throw the ball,
hopefully have a good one and relax and enjoy the rest.

Speaker 1 (14:11):
All right, Maybe you'll get to face some of the
guys in the home run derby tonight. Maybe they'll be
back to back to back to back all the guys
in the derby tonight, we'll get to face.

Speaker 6 (14:18):
That would be crazy, that'd be cool.

Speaker 3 (14:20):
Hey, before we let you go, Like, where where do
you come down on this?

Speaker 1 (14:23):
Obviously the inclusion of Jacob Mezarowski only five games into
his into his career, which has been a phenomenal start
so far. Like the half of his pitches are over
one hundred miles an hour? Are are you okay with that? Did?
Are you okay with seeing him? Would you rather see
somebody with a little bit more experience, more of a
resume in there?

Speaker 3 (14:39):
Where are you on it?

Speaker 1 (14:41):
Uh?

Speaker 6 (14:42):
You know, I I think it's I think it's it's
cool for him. I think it's awesome to to have him,
to have him here. I mean, I don't know what
happened with other people and availability and all that stuff,
so I think that plays into it a little bit.
But I mean, he's a talented pitcher. I don't know
what the situation was, if he should have been up

(15:03):
early or not. But you know, he's here now and
we're gonna have fun watch him and support him, and
at the end of the day, maybe it's not his decision.
So yeah, he's gonna go through the ball well, and
he threw against us and it was electric to watch.
So I hope the fans enjoy it, and that's what
it is for, So it'll be good.

Speaker 1 (15:19):
Twins All star, Joe Ryan, looking forward to see you
pitching tomorrow night.

Speaker 3 (15:22):
Best of luck, congratulate. That's a lot, John, thank you
all right, now give it very hey listen.

Speaker 1 (15:29):
Good for him, and that's been that's been the reaction,
right for Misslerowski and people not knowing so much about
or the two reactions either Hey, I am upset that
he got there, or I'm okay with it. But generally
you want to see is hey, it's not his fault, right, Hey,
look what would you do?

Speaker 7 (15:46):
Right?

Speaker 1 (15:46):
I'm glad that people are getting the point where they're
not blaming him for going, because what's he going to do?

Speaker 3 (15:51):
Say no, we'll let you come to the all stage.
I don't know, man, I don't know. Of course he's
gonna come. Of course he is. Of course it's him
and folks that are mad. They don't like fun.

Speaker 1 (15:59):
Yeah, fun for promotion of the sport that we always
lament doesn't promote itself well enough, swell Moore and Mazarowski
situation coming up next as well as Hey, we got
to get to Jalen Hurts, but it was fun to
check in with Joe Ryan.

Speaker 3 (16:13):
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Speaker 1 (17:03):
Fox Sports Radio The Jason Smith Show with my best
friend Mike Harmon. Yeah, I'm gonna get to Jalen Hurts
in a second, but you know I'm kidding About twenty
minutes ago and I said, oh, hey, home run Derby
is fixed for cal Rally. Yeah, obviously the big dumper,
the big uh, the big guy coming in who wins
a home run derby cal Rally right now. Also, he

(17:24):
advances by less than a foot because of a tie
breaker that he won in the first round against Brent Rooker.

Speaker 3 (17:31):
Oh it's less than any less sorry, less than an inch?

Speaker 1 (17:34):
Yes, less than a yes, that's what we're talking He wins,
and uh, he advances by that. And Rooker is talking
about this and is not doesn't seem like he's quite
that happy because he thought, oh, if we're tied, we're
gonna go to some kind of swing off and that,
and he didn't know what the rules were, and I
think Rally actually had to tell him, no, dude, i won.

Speaker 3 (17:53):
I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 (17:54):
I think Rally once said, hey, dude, yeah, no, you
lost by by less than an inch.

Speaker 3 (17:57):
I'm sorry about that.

Speaker 4 (17:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (17:58):
Rooker also just trying to make the point and is
press or just kind of saying, well, if that's if
we have it to that decimal point, then maybe that
should be displayed along the way so we know this
and then it's not a oh, wait, you lose, but yeah,
And and the thing is, we saw it on the screen,
right we saw it on the screen. It was hey,
Rally has the longer home run, so in a tie,

(18:20):
Rally moves on. But instead it was a lot of confusion. Look,
they thought they were going to a swing off and
everybody thought swing up. Standing around here we are right
now because it went first. It's the furthest time one
as a tie breaker. You know, less than an inch,
really really LESSI you had it, really, but I guess
you Look, you have the ball landing right. I mean
it's you know, it's how it goes, like the things
inside the ball. I guess you can figure it out

(18:41):
that way. But wow, man, really.

Speaker 3 (18:45):
I don't lose. Get yourself all thanks for col Rally
to win.

Speaker 1 (18:51):
I'm like the I'm like the guy in the conspiracy
movie that accidentally opens up the uh uh, the whole
Pandora's box of things, Like I'm farump going.

Speaker 7 (19:00):
There's guys in the hotel across from me that are
doing some things in this Watergate hotel. I see some
there's flashlights going on. Can you can you figure something up?

Speaker 1 (19:11):
Like?

Speaker 3 (19:11):
That's me?

Speaker 1 (19:11):
Hey, cal Rally, it's it's a conspiracy theory.

Speaker 3 (19:14):
It's fixed for him. Hey, I'm advancing by listening in,
and now Rooker is like, we didn't know that.

Speaker 1 (19:19):
Nobody knew that we're going to a swing of Oh,
big Dumper fixed for Big Dumper. All the reality shows
where they pop up video where all of a sudden
you start to know these things. Here's the actual rules
of the event you're watching right here. It's like, you know,
ESPN the OCHO when they do that.

Speaker 3 (19:35):
It's like, how the hell is this game score?

Speaker 1 (19:38):
But it was this weekend, this last weekend, and they start,
you know, giving you a bit by bit. The other
story that's circulating is and it was still counted as
a home run. But the kid that went up and
grabbed one of Kevin Arrow's home runs, Oh yeah, yeah,
it brought it back. What the hell are you Doing's like, no, no,
it still counts. Yeah, And so now that guy's gonna
go viral and he'll probably get some kind of endorsement

(19:59):
deal out of his hops. But yeah, a little bit
of chaos going on. But Ruker clearly displeased. Yeah, a
little bit. A little bit.

Speaker 3 (20:05):
I thought I was going to a swing. Off, thought
it was going to swing.

Speaker 1 (20:07):
You know, I don't know what kind of Maybe he's
got something in his contract saying here's an extra fifty
million dollars if you suck that win the home that was.

Speaker 3 (20:15):
That was a big deal.

Speaker 1 (20:16):
And I know I was off all all last week,
but guys, you know that, go and dismiss this guy's
making all this money. What's another hundred grand won soda stuff? Yeah,
hundred grand is a hundred grand, I know it is.
You guys walk across.

Speaker 3 (20:27):
The street for a dollar. Yeah, okay, through.

Speaker 1 (20:29):
Heavy traffic like you're playing a damn game of frog
or so shut up grand And I will say I
did watch a little bit of the show this weekend.

Speaker 3 (20:40):
They had axe.

Speaker 1 (20:41):
Throwing on good and honestly, I was really surprised the
lack of accuracy. You just say you were getting ready
to pick up a career. I think they're too they're
too shoulder. I think it would also be gone, like
I mean, not quite mine. I see I see movies
where assassins can throw axes across an entire you know,
airplane hangar and bury it in somebody's head.

Speaker 3 (21:03):
And I'm watching this where people are like, you know.

Speaker 1 (21:05):
Ten feet away from a big bottom of a tree
that is just cut and turned over, and they're like
missing the bulls. I'm like, how are you missing the
bulls eye by this much? Everything should be a bulls eyes? Like,
how I understand that got to get the proper rotation.
Maybe maybe you're a little excited because you know it's
on TV, so you're overthrowing a little bit. That's muscle memory,
you is I grabbed the eye throw it. I grabbed

(21:26):
the ax, I throw grab the Maybe maybe it was
a different uh heft to it, maybe a different kind
of weight balance there. Maybe maybe instead of just the
nor normal people who do it, bring in some assassins
and people who work for the government. You can blur
out their faces. Somebody knows who they are. But like
you know, the the old magician gives off the tricks thing.

(21:47):
We had a fox and then put the mask on
the guy Barkley, I think you have the announcer so
he doesn't so you don't think he knows you have
a disorder.

Speaker 4 (21:56):
Like and here comes car Looos with jackal Oh very
fam he has seventy five international kills and here he
is with the ax. That's three bull's eyes in a row.
He has actually split an axe in half with his
last throw. Carlos the Jackal moves on to the semi final.
Now throwing will be Jason boy Sorry, David Webb, David Webb,

(22:17):
not Jason Boyle.

Speaker 1 (22:18):
With other random events you've brought up Carlos Jacko. Do
you have a book you're working on that has a
Carlos the Jackal. No, No, Carlos the Jackal was the
big in the Bourne's identity supremacy.

Speaker 3 (22:31):
That's the that was. That was Jason Bourne's big rival
was Carlos.

Speaker 1 (22:34):
The jack thought you were bringing out someone else for
a new generation.

Speaker 4 (22:40):
And we have an interview with Carlos the Jackal coming
up there.

Speaker 3 (22:44):
He would say, I don't have nothing to say and
just keep walking. Makes it's fakes for cal Rowly, all right.
So well that's a nice little chaos, yeah going on.

Speaker 1 (22:53):
We got a five hundred and thirteen foot home run,
we got his conspiracy, and you got the kid bringing
one back.

Speaker 3 (23:00):
Is a lot going on and no Berm.

Speaker 1 (23:03):
Earlier to back back, back, back, one one inch, half
an inch and gone. So we talked about this earlier
in this hour. And thanks to Joe Ryan Twins All
Star for stopping bio. This was talking home Boks great
and uh today Eagles head coach Nick Sirianni had to
defend quarterback Jalen Hurts in a pointed response the notion

(23:25):
that Hurts was quote along for the ride during Philly's
Super Bowl run last season. Sirianni is saying, quote, I
think that's bull blank, and he went on to say,
he plays the most important position in all of sports.
It's the most ultimate team game there is. What I
admire about him is his selflessness of doing anything we
need to do to win. Now, why is this brought up?

(23:45):
Because obviously, hey, they became Saquon Barkley dependent. Saquon Barkley
runs for two thousand yards, the Eagles wind up winning
the Super bowls. Oh, maybe Jalen Hurts isn't great. Not
that I always agree with Nick Sirianni, but wow, did
I completely agree with him on this. Jalen Hurts and
we talked about it when we gave you our list
of the five greatest quarterbacks in the NFL back in January.

(24:07):
Th Oh, by the way, ESPN's list today has those
five guys, So again, we were six months out of
the curve. Jalen Hurts is right outside of that list
because Hurts has played a good part of his career
with terrific weapons. Right, you can't ignore whether it's whether
it's Aj Brown reading or not reading, Barkley tight ends

(24:27):
he has had with Goddard, Like he's had pretty guy.
He's also won and played well when he doesn't have
good weapons, when he never had a running game. Right,
So it's not like he's a but he has had
pretty good guys around him for his career. But with
what he has done, and especially last year, you look
at the playoff run he had where his quarterback ratings
won eleven, won, ten, one, nineteen in the Super Bowl.

(24:50):
I mean it was incredible the run he had in
the playoffs. Right, This is this is a guy that
last year and when you talk about the regular season
for him, you know he's over thirty five touch When
you talk about the touchdowns because the touchdowns running count
just like they touched the count passing. You're talking about
over thirty touchdowns and five interceptions. Jalen Hurts is terrific.

(25:11):
He doesn't get to do that. Other quarterbacks get they
win a Super Bowl and here Jalen Hurts is well,
but Barkley gets all the attention. And okay, rightfully, so right,
Barkley had an incredible year, one of the best years
we've ever seen from a running back. But when it
got to the playoffs and Saquon Barkley wasn't quite the
guy he was during the season, because you know, three
and fifty.

Speaker 3 (25:31):
Carries will do that to a guy a little bit.
Who was your best player?

Speaker 1 (25:34):
Jalen Hurts, who goes and has one of the greatest
Super Bowls of all time by a quarterback, when when
you're talking about his efficiency, his numbers, the game was
over at halftime. Jalen Hurts is fantastic. He's just outside
of that list of the top five quarterbacks in the
game because those guys Burrow, Lamar Jackson, josh Allen Mahomes
and Jayden Daniels all do all three things that elite

(25:57):
quarterbacks do. They win, they win all by themsel and
they make everybody around them better. Right, those guys do that.
Jalen Hurts. Is there a tiny bit of a question
for that. Yeah, but you're talking about splinting hairs between
the top five quarterbacks game, where's Jalen Hurts. He's right
there at the beginning of that next level behind them, right,
And to make the point about Hurts even further. Oh,
his numbers weren't where they were last year. Okay, when

(26:19):
a guy runs the ball three hundred fifty times, there's
only so many offensive plays. It's not like, well, they
ran the ball these three hundred and fifty plays, what
did you do with all those passing plays? No, when
you run the ball that much, there's a little bit
less to throw the ball. And when you're running that successfully,
guess what, You're gonna keep running the football. And oh,
by the way, who also had a pretty good year
running the football? Jalen Hurts because that's what he does.
I mean, I mean, I don't understand the whole Yeah,

(26:41):
Jalen Hurts is not that guy. I don't get that
whole narrative. Well, it's what we always get into, these
difficult and weird conversations, regardless of sport, about supporting cast
team versus individual.

Speaker 3 (26:55):
Accomplishment and their role in right the whole Belichick, Brady,
who gets more credit? Nonsense?

Speaker 1 (27:00):
Go all the way through the forty nine ers, all
the way back in the day. How good was Montana
versus Steven When look at these guys that were playing
with look at these rosters, Go back to the Dallas Cowboys,
Troy Aikman gets categorically dismissed on any list of all
time quarterbacks, despite his brilliance and in that role, because

(27:22):
he didn't put up thirty five touchdowns. He wasn't winging
it around like he was Dan Marino and such, so
it gets dismissed. No, you played to winning football, and
Jalen Hurts has done that all right. Last year was
his best year completion percentage. They finally figured out with
the system your favorite word, your old buddy gilbryandt you know,

(27:46):
do you have a system? Is completed nearly sixty nine
percent of his past four straight years he's rushed for
double digit touchdowns. The tush push. We talked about it
with lock and forth. It's an unstoppable play. Yes, you
have a great offensive line. Guess who still.

Speaker 3 (28:01):
Has to orchestrate it?

Speaker 1 (28:02):
The quarterback right, it's the old Brady fall into the
right gap or or why some teams like with Philip Rivers,
you never ran a quarterback sneak.

Speaker 3 (28:12):
You couldn't.

Speaker 1 (28:12):
Oh, but you got a guy that's willing to put
his body in that space and is very good in
the depth at getting whatever yardag he needs. And so
for Jalen Hurts, it's I think the unfortunate byproduct of
you throw four hit this case under three thousand yards,
your career best is.

Speaker 3 (28:29):
Thirty eight under you yard like a Bears quarterback. Thirty
eight Is that very few of them but a couple
of game yea. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (28:36):
But but just to that idea, since he's not gonna
put up eye popping throwing stats, that he's always going
to get dismissed as if he's being pulled on. Yeah,
because we've come to that point where Okay, if you
don't give me the numbers, we don't think you're as
good as you are. And some quarterbacks, hey, this is
about youse. Don't forget his rushing. What he does rushing
the football that counts as well. So now suddenly his
total offense, Like, I think it's more fair for a

(28:58):
quarterback if you say, okay, let's go impair your total
offense numbers. But because then, but that's where we are.
I kind of understand that that Jalen Hurts was thirty
two and five last year, thirty two touchdowns and five interceptions, right,
thirty five hundred yards total. When you talk about offense.
It's a time to compare total offense right, because you
can't you know, look, we don't tell quarterbacks like Aaron

(29:18):
Rodgers or you know that don't run the ball as
much but have had great careers. Hey, I'm marking you
down because you don't run the ball. When guys run
the ball, Oh, that doesn't really count as part. No, no,
if you're not going to rip the guy for not
running yet, you got to count the quarterbacks and the
yarders they run for because that's part of what makes
them who they are as a quarterball. But it's you
and I have been on Aaron together long enough. I

(29:40):
mean we watched the rise and the end of Cam Newton.
I don't think that guy ever got the proper appreciation
for what he was as a quarterback. You know it's
going to burn out at some point if you play
that style of football, but doesn't take away and diminish
it any way, shape or form. The greatness And for
Jalen Hurts, he's got a right system, a right coach,
a right set of teammates and they all buy in.

(30:03):
You don't need the individual and gaudy numbers still gets
his paycheck and they get a lot of wins in
the process. I think he's living right. He's great. Six
best quarterback in the NFL, right below those five guy.
He is that good time now to find out what's
trending in the wide world of sports. Guy who's been
called the Jalen Hurts of Fox Sports Radio because he

(30:23):
is also an expert at the toush push. It's Steve
de Seger, all right, checked.

Speaker 3 (30:28):
Sure, if I got Kelsey in front of me, I'm
scoring rather even better without Kelsey and it doesn't matter. Yeah,
that's a heck of a line.

Speaker 4 (30:34):
Still.

Speaker 5 (30:35):
Home run Derby winner is cal Raley of the Mariners.
Tonight in Atlanta, he beat Tampa Bay junior Cameron Aro
in the final eighteen fifteen. The winner gets a million dollars.
That's Raleigh, the runner up prize five hundred thousand dollars
for Cam and Aro he gets the half mill. His
entire salary for this season is only about seven hundred

(30:55):
and sixty thousand.

Speaker 3 (30:56):
They go.

Speaker 5 (30:57):
The other six competitors tonight get one hundred and fifty
thousand dollars each for competing. That includes O'Neil Cruz, who
had tied for the most homers in the first round,
including one estimated to go five hundred thirteen feet. CRUs
of the Pirates had ten others in the first round
over four hundred and fifty feet each, but in the
semis he was eliminated by Cal Raleigh. Nineteen thirteen. Raleigh

(31:20):
of Seattle committed to play for Team USA and next
year's World Baseball Classic. The team's captain is Aaron Judge
of the Yankees. Also playing for the Americans next March
will be pitcher Paul Skeins of the Pirates, the All
Star starter again tomorrow night, and also shortstop Bobby Witch
Junior of the Royals will have a Team USA jersey
next year. In the last WBC tournament, Japan beat the

(31:40):
US in the final three to two in Miami. The
Americans won the previous championship in twenty seventeen. The Tampa
Bay Rays will be sold for one point seven billion dollars, according.

Speaker 3 (31:49):
To The Athletic.

Speaker 5 (31:50):
The buyers are led by a Florida based developer, Stu Sternberg,
who's selling bought the Rays about twenty years ago for
two hundred million dollars. This new deal could close by September.
The MLB draft finished today twenty rounds total MLB regular
season games rezuom on Friday again. The All Star Game
is on Fox TV tomorrow night, and leading off of

(32:11):
the National League will be Dodgers Dight Shoho, Tani Ronald Dcunya,
Atlanta's own will bat second. For the American League lineup,
Aaron Judge bats third, and then Cal Raleigh fourth. Former
Blue Jays pitcher Jim Clancy passed away at the age
of sixty nine. He was an All Star in nineteen
eighty two. Two WNBA games tonight. Right now, Phoenix is
tied at Golden State sixty one all with about six

(32:32):
minutes to go. Phoenix Mercury fourteen and six, Minnesota nineteen
and four after winning at Chicago ninety one seventy eight
and a feast of Collier with twenty nine points. Collier
and Caitlin Clark are the All Star Game captains for
this weekend. The All Star Game in the WNBA is
Saturday in Indianapolis. Atlanta All star Ryan Howard is out
for the rest of the month with a knee injury.

(32:54):
The Florida Panthers will raise their second straight Stanley Cup
banner before starting the NHL season Againsticago October the seventh.
That game will lead off an opening night tripleheader. The
rest of the NHL schedule comes out on Wednesday. US
men's soccer will host two exhibitions in October, against Ecuador
in Austin, Texas, then against Australia in Colorado. Those two

(33:15):
opponents have already qualified for next year's World Cup. The
US is in because it is co host next summer,
so only exhibitions for the Americans between now and then.
Spur center Victor wim min Yama is cleared to return
after the blood clot in his shoulder. He played about
half a season this past year, averaging twenty four points
a game. Paul George of the seventy six Years had
Arthur Scopik knee surgery after an injury in a recent workout.

(33:38):
The Jets gave wide receiver Garrett Wilson a four year
extension and guys in the two thousand and five home
run derby, Jason Bay, a former Met, had zero home runs.
Of course, he was with the Pirates at the time,
but in two thousand, wasn't me's ruined him in a went.
He wasn't a Met yet, No, he was ruined by

(33:58):
the time he got to the Mets. I guess I
could say, hey, no home run, and you'll let send
him to the Mets. No home runs in the home
run derby get him to the Mets. The format back
then it was ten outs for every batter, so he
used all his ten outs and had a total of
zero homers, while Bobby a Bray who had twenty four.
Now the hitters have three minutes or forty pitches to

(34:19):
get as many, but apparently he's not the only one.
But that is for certain, a guy who had zero
Jazz Chisholm with the Yankees with a grand total of
three homers with all that time.

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the way, but coming up next. Hope you enjoyed seeing
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Speaker 3 (35:00):
Now we'll get back into.

Speaker 1 (35:04):
The All Star home run derby controversy coming out about
ten minutes.

Speaker 3 (35:10):
But I want to say this.

Speaker 1 (35:12):
I hope you enjoyed seeing Cooper Flag in the Summer
League because.

Speaker 3 (35:16):
He's being shut down. He had a good run. I
think we're being shut down.

Speaker 1 (35:19):
He's being shut down after his debut and then his
second game in which he goes for thirty. The Mavericks
is saying, Okay, we've seen enough. We will see Cooper
Flag and see you guys all in the fall as
we get ready to go for this season. And honestly,
rightfully so, because now I can double down on what
I said last week. If you think he's gonna come

(35:41):
in as anything other than the first option for the Mavericks,
you're crazy. He is the franchise. You watched him play.
I watched him playing both games. You can tell right
away he has that I'm the best player on the
court attitude, and you can see it. You are drawn
to him, and you can tell he passes the eye test.
And no, by the way, second game, yeah, put up
a lot of shots in the first game, which was awesome.

(36:03):
Didn't score a lot, but the fact he could get
his own shot, was able to back down defenders who
are pretty good. Then second game he goes for thirty.
He is that good and he's kind of like Lebron
where they will give him the keys right away because
Anthony Davis is still a download presence and Kyrie Irving
is gonna be out for the first few months. By
the time Kyrie Irving comes back, it's gonna be Cooper

(36:24):
Flagg's team. Now you're gonna have to navigate the rookie
wall and keep his minutes down a little bit to
make sure you got him for all eighty two and
then the playoffs whatever you have. But there's no mistake,
there's no Hey, what a great third option this is
gonna be. He is the number one option opening night
with the Mavericks. He has shown that he can handle
it Physically, he is ready. He's not too thin coming

(36:45):
into the league.

Speaker 4 (36:46):
You know.

Speaker 1 (36:46):
Hey, look, and congratulations to Wenby for coming back out
in McLean bill of health. Can't wait to see him
back on the court. Doesn't have to worry about putting
some weight on, figuring things out down low, getting used
to the banging, the physical play. Cooper flag physically, is ready, mentally,
is ready. Talent wise, he's ready. He showed all of
the traits that made him the number one pick offensively,
getting to the basket, passing, defensively, He's ready. He is

(37:09):
the star, not even twenty years old. He is the
star opening night for the Mavericks. Well, that's still the
scary thing, right is that how he reclassified everything and
went to college a year early. And also, you know,
we keep waiting for that wall and maybe that'll happen
at some point late in the season, you know, as
you try to meet her out minutes and everything else.

(37:32):
But you saw a guy who's not afraid to try
to get his own that game against the Lakers. Was
it a textbook performance, No, but it's a first time
out right, you're feeling it out hype and everything for
summer league. But the aggressiveness showed the ability to get
out and play a little bit of d and moving
the ball, all of the things that we watched him

(37:53):
a year ago with that star laden duke lineup, that
he's going to be able to come in and do.
And then you go and you have a thirty point
performance before you get shut down thirty one to be
precise and again another twenty one shot effort, something he
didn't get to do at Duke, Right. I mean occasionally

(38:16):
you'd have a big performance, but it was usually operational
efficiency because like we talked about at the time, you
look at look at the draft, they all found their
way to the rosters, right, So it will be an
interesting process moving forward for Cooper flag But shutting him down,
you know, the proof of concept has been done. The

(38:39):
public's curiosity has been satisfied. I'm sure your partners would
like a little more in the ratings bonanza that is
him showing up because what was it, the fourth highest
rated Summer League game that we've seen was the number
that came out. So certainly people in anticipation, maybe the
little hate watching of the Lakers I helped in that

(39:00):
first performance. But but you saw what you needed to
and now you go back, retool and get ready for
the regular season. He needs the ball every possession. He
needs to be able to create. He needs to be
able to back down the defender. He needs to be
able to look where he can pass across the court
because he's got that kind of vision being as tall
as he is, Like, I don't know, I can't believe
there's any world where where you're gonna slow play it.

(39:20):
Like if if I saw, hey he was a little
bit tentative, or hey he really had trouble doing anything.
But he didn't. He just missed his shots in the
first game. Okay, I get it, but still he took
twenty one. He went out there to give me the ball,
and then scored thirty in a second game. There's just
because he missed his shots. It's it's summer league.

Speaker 3 (39:37):
What does it matter.

Speaker 1 (39:37):
I mean, Wemby at least was a little hesitant going in,
maybe wanted to be a little bit too. Hey I
want to make that Yet he's terrible.

Speaker 3 (39:46):
What's he doing?

Speaker 4 (39:47):
Why is he so?

Speaker 1 (39:48):
He was tentative, He was just a little tended. I
want to make my teammates happy. And then clearly Wenby
got it and understood that I'm the franchise. Cooper Fleagg
gets that right away. He gets I'm the franch I mean, really,
watch the game. You really tell me he gonna a
guy that's gonna sit and not touch the.

Speaker 3 (40:01):
Ball for a couple of course.

Speaker 1 (40:02):
Not. He's the number one star, He's the number one
option on that team, starting opening night. That's how it's
gonna be curiosity once they get Kyrie Irving back and
they work around Look, there's all sorts of wild rumors
going on about the Mavericks and retooling their roster as well,
but in the short term, yeah, and the aggressiveness is
what you want to see coming out of the gate, right,

(40:25):
there's no passivity and that ball moved exit out about
a Fresco exit swollen dome. Coming up next, we have
more on the home run derby controversy. Plus way do
we tell you what we're gonna tell you about Brownie
James So far tonight for the Lakers in Summer League.

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