September 19, 2025 • 40 mins
Jason Smith: Tua Tagovailoa is in his last year with Miami. He'll absolutely get dealt in the off-season. The $$$ can be figured out. And there'll be at least a couple of teams who think they can get him back to elite level. Plus, Clayton Kershaw is calling it a career after 18 incredible seasons!
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two minutes to go in the fourth quarter, and what
we thought could be an embarrassing end for the Bills.
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Is now just going to be an escape? Most likely?
The Bills have the ball first and ten, Josh Allen
finding Elijah Moore. Wow, remember where did he start? Yeah,
Jets for a thirty yard game, a big first down.
They have the ball the Dolphins thirty five yard line.
Dolphins have one time out left, so the Bills clinging
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to a touchdown lead. The reason they are clinging this
lead and looking to run the clock out is because
to a tongue of Iloa just throws a ridiculously awful pass.
With Miami in scoring position, he does not see Bernard,
who jumps in front of who jumps the route, gets
a return nearly. You know, if he had beat one guy,
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we would have had that defensive touchdown that I gave
you on picks. I said, hey, my big prop pick
for tonight's gonna be give me a defense of touchdown.
It was like plus twenty five hundred Bill's defensive touchdown.
He had one guy to beat and we would have
had that defensive touchdown. But he gets shoved out of bounds.
Bill's have the football now. But man Tua, who had
had a pretty nice game, you know, started out slow
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and somehow the you know, Miami was able to keep
it close for most of the game. Uh Ta threw
a couple of touchdowns, but that pass was absolutely terrible. Again,
you have it's the middle of the field. You gotta
see that he was taking a step backwards throwing off
his back foot. This is something that Tua does and
when you're throwing a middle field off your back foot,
you get what you deserve. It's funny, you know, as
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we were talking about the the baseball side of it,
and people feel free to chime in on that and
the Randy Johnson Clayton Kershaw kind of discussion point at
how about a Fresco at swollen Dome at at Fox
Sports Radio, Tua a lot of a lot of the ball.
There's no zip, right, that's one like put it, put
it in Waald's gut, yeah, and let him let make
a play. He doesn't.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
But you add a little bit of that extra loft
to it, which was the defender to cut underneath it
and start coming back the other way. And we saw
that trying to push the ball to the outside a
couple of times. It's like, wow, that is it gonna
get there? It's gonna okay, all right, fine, he got
the reception move on, and he made a bunch of
big throws right the couple of great throws to Tyreek Hill.
Earlier in the game, he got the touchdown to Waddle
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before Ali Gordon started the scoring. Like, there's been pieces
to this game where I was like, all right, this
team's showing you some fight. Overall, three hundred and fifty
total yards of offense for the Bills to two fifty
for the Dolphins over the course of this one. Bills
haven't really been hitting the penalty game. But where the
Dolphins excelled and they played some field position. They had
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a couple of good returns that let them start an
advantageous field position to make this thing a game. But
now we're inside the final two minutes and no more stopping.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
Of the clock. You know who was it that we
saw last week one of the Monday or Thursday games.
I forget which quarterback it was, but threw a big
third down where getting rushed and off their back foot
going backwards, but threw the ball into the flat to
the running back with such zip on it hit the
running back and stride. It was a fifteen yard play
and we're talking about going that. That's how you make
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a throw like that when you have when you it
wasn't I think it was Week one. Who it was.
It might even been Caleb Williams. I mean maybe, well listen,
it was Monday or Thursday night, and one of those
might have been Caleb. But but that's how you can't
make that throw to the middle of the field when
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when your arm is is not what it is, you know,
it is not what an NFL quarterback, normal NFL quarterback is,
you know, going backwards and and kind of floating that
over the middle like that was. It's it's an easy
ball to go get. And this is the and this
is Bernard knowing, Hey, I'm gonna sit back on this,
make him think he's got a guy. We're gonna pressure
him up the middle. He's not gonna see me like
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the Bills are gonna walk out of this and go boy,
we ran that one to perfection, right, We pressure him,
he thinks he has the receiver over the middle, and
he does it. It's not even close. Like really, this
is this is the year when you went when you
you we talk about the Dolphins and the changes that
are gonna happen after this year. Right, twenty seven seconds
left to go. Uh, the Bills are running out the clock.
The Dolphins don't have any timeouts left. They're gonna fall
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to zero to three, where it's gonna be a big
start over for the Dolphins, right, like the Dolphins are
gonna completely start over. McDaniel, he'll make it past this
week because we said last night if they get blown out,
you know, the the the the the results on Monday
or Thursday are always much bigger than it is one
o'clock on a Sunday. Right, But the Dolphins played well tonight.
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They were driving for the for the tying score and
that and you know, toa makes that throw. He's not
as dynamic as he was. And in an offseason when
clearly they they're gonna have it with Tyreek Hills act,
you know, he's gonna wind up getting dealt probably by
the deadline. Mike McDaniel's gonna get replaced by by a
new head coach sometime during this season. Tua is also
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in his last year with the Dolphins, and mainly because
the Dolphins need to start over, and Tua has always
been a player that as good as he is, right,
and he's a good quarter But I've always liked Tua.
He's shown you in the last few years where you
worry about the injury issues, right, you worry about that,
and you also worry is he that guy? Is he
that good? Right? You paid him? But is he that
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great of a quarterback? And clearly the system he is
in now in Miami, eh, he shows it sometimes and
sometimes he does it. Now, there's gonna be other teams
that are gonna say, hey, we could do a hell
of a lot worse in free agency. We don't know
about the draft. Yes, we have the system, right, because
no matter how bad a starting quarterback is, what it is,
there's a system out there for you. Right, whether you're
Sam Darnold or Gino Smith or Baker Mayfield, doesn't matter.
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There's a system out there for you. And there's gonna
be a coach at least one that says I can
make it work with ta Not only that I know
how much we're paying in the next couple of years,
not gonna have to worry about that. Hey, things will
be great. Maybe we're not giving up as much we
absorb a contract. Whatever, it's gonna be, someone gonna say, hey,
I want Tua and the Dolphins are gonna make that
trade because it's gonna be a complete and total reset.
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And that's why the Dolphins are team number thirty two
in the NFL out of thirty two because they're the
furthest away from a reset. Like the Jets are resetting
this year. Right, Okay, they're not on on the hook.
They're not paying out big contracts. The guys are leaving
after this year. They're not worried about replacing people. In
the same thing with the Browns. Right, they're waiting, they're tanking.
They got quarterbacks there that are just there for this year.
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Like the Browns and the Jets have already started their reset, right,
other teams, the Raiders have started their reset. The Dolphins
have to get to the offseason reset and then start
next year. That's why they're team number thirty two because
they have the furthest to go for whatever they're gonna
be after this season is done. And and two is
the guy that you think he's gonna be, Well, you
build around to it. Now, a new guy coming in
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is not gonna say, yeah, I'm gonna hitch my fortunes
to Tua. He just never has gotten the hug that
franchise quarterbacks get from teams that pay them like that.
Even Trevor Lawrence has a bigger hu hug from Jacksonville, right,
And Trevor Lawrence has just been a guy. And now
the Jaguars are figuring on, hey, if we just run football,
we're pretty good at it. So but he's never even
though he got paid, it's never been this is to
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his team, this is his franchise. It's been well, you're
kind of the guy for now and still getting paid
that way. You feel like he's still on a year
to year lease with the Dolphins that leases up after that.
Speaker 3 (08:21):
So I think a lot of it is you want
to give him the hug, but there you're one foot
out because of the fear of recurrence of the injuries
that you've had where.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
He's been unavailable to you.
Speaker 3 (08:31):
So it became the latest in the quarterback he's next
man up, and we like what he can do when
he's at his best. But when the timing and everything
is disrupted, obviously that goes to the wayside. Now what's
curious is you start doing the math, and this is
where we get into the curiosity of dead cap money
et cetera, or getting someone to pick up the rest
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of this four year, two hundred and twelve million dollars
deal for twenty twenty five, the dead cap one thirty seven.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
For twenty twenty six seventy nine.
Speaker 3 (09:04):
So you know you've got to have And this is
also where you get into a difficult proposition, is that
you now have several years proof of concept. Okay, at
his best, you can have some big, big games, but
do you get it consistently? Are you getting them for
a full seventeen Not that we're banking out a lot
of these guys to get through there, but you already
know the injury history and the potential for absolute chaos
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in that regard. So if you're not one hundred percent
on the front five guys, which most teams are not,
we bang the drum on that perhaps more than anybody
that bringing into U is well reckless. And the other
side is if you're a new coach, which, let's face it,
how many teams have any level of continuity. I think
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there's like five guys that have been been in their
jobs longer than.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
Twenty twenty one.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
At this point, are you saying, yeah, I'm a new
coach go get me that guy. No, no, you want your
own guy. And if you're a GM, you want your
own guy. So I don't think you're taking on this contract.
Think you're just when.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
It's when it's when it's just money you're talking about.
Money can be had, Money can be figured out. We've
seen it right. No one's trading for Aaron Rodgers. Look
at that contract while they figured it out, right, No
one's trading for Russell Wilson. Look at that contract while
they figured it out. No, he's not gonna get released
because you talk about that dead CP money. But they
can figure out the money. But it becomes the state.
But also for the new team, though, is this a
guy you want to go make that bet on? With
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so many other quarterbacks in the offing and the next
crop of guys, even if there's no wizard among them,
be it nuss Meyer or your guy arch Manning. Did
you get that tattoo removed?
Speaker 3 (10:42):
Oh no, no, Now it's like, uh like he's thirty
three to one now for that like on fire for
nuss Meyer, right, like.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
Oh that's good. Yeah, let's go see if you can
change that up now. But I mean it's it's the
Dolphins are gonna need to start and the new code
coming in. Can you imagine, just think about this like
you have the new organization coming in and it's okay,
we're gonna make it work with tua. Uh okay, yeah,
(11:09):
we sure about that. Be sure about that, because you
certainly do have the opportunity for a bit of a reset,
right Tyreek Hill, get rid of the stuff and the
off off field if that resolves itself, which it doesn't
sound like there's really much advancement there, but if you
get past that, then you're looking at a sizeable contract.
But plenty of teams that are in need of wide
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receiver help, particularly his old team at least at the moment.
Speaker 3 (11:36):
Now that may remedy itself here in the next couple
of weeks as guys come back from injury and suspension.
But for now, let's put them in the mix for
your Kansas City Chiefs. You've got Devon h Chan. How
many teams need another running back or could use a
lead running back? And if Ollie Gordon's gonna show out
as he did a little bit here. He had nine
carries thirty eight yards, including the ability to run between
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the tackles in and around the goal line. Perhaps eight
chan becomes expendable. Now we're talking about draft picks. Now
you can go get your Guynus Meyer.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
Look, if if I thought for a second that it
would be impossible, I would just say, look, Dolphins are stuck, right,
Dolphins're stuck. But quarterbacks are at such a premium, and
there's teams that they know how miserable life is without it.
They're gonna fil like and that's the best part about
about guys like Darnold and Gino Smith and Baker mayfil
say Okay, hey, you could have really and look two
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has had a better run the first part of his
career than any of those guys. Right, but but you.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
Don't get the luxury of getting him on the cheap
right as your reclamation project these guys.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
But there isn't out in his contract for twenty twenty seven,
so potentially you're not giving up a lot. The Dolphins
are gonna say, listen, we'll eat a little bit of money.
You can make them. You can figure that money out.
It's a one year thing for Tua with another team.
You're not giving up big stuff in the draft. Whatever
it is. Money, whyse the Dolphins just want to move
on and start over. So it's it's more attractive for
a team to say, okay, hey we can we can
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kind of do this, right, we can. We can kind
of do this and go and see it and if it
doesn't work, if it works, great, right, we feel awesome.
If it doesn't work, it doesn't work, we move on.
So it's so while it is a lot of money,
it's it's more it's absolutely going to be a trade.
And because he has played well, you are gonna get
teams that are gonna say, hey, man, no, I'm up
for this. Man, let let's try it. I'm the big
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I'm the big guru. You know. I can see Sean
McVay saying, no, no, no, I can make it with sorry,
said thanks, Matthew, I can make it work with two
A tongue of I lower right. We told you this.
This will be the last year for Matthew Shawfford in
Los Angeles. He's gonna go out just like his buddy.
I can see Sean McVay saying, yeah, I can make
this work. Right. I could see Kevin O'Connell if if
all of a sudden, JJ McCarthy is no good. He's
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heard again, Hey, I can make it work with Tua.
You're gonna see the big quarterback gurus are gonna say, yeah,
he could be he could be my project. Right, I
can get him back to being that four thousand yard passer.
Doesn't matter if he can't throw the ball more than
twelve yards with any kind of zip on it. I
can get them back to that, right.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
Yeah, three straight years with a quarterback grating over one hundred.
You go back to twenty twenty three forty six hundred
yards twenty nine against fourteen. That was his only complete
season in the National Football League. Last year, completed seventy
three percent of career best nineteen touchdowns, seven picks, twenty
eight hundred yards, but only appeared in eleven games. So
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there's there's the big question for him. Ten, thirteen, thirteen, seventeen, eleven,
and now three to start your twenty twenty five campaign. So,
as we said, the Bills kneel on the football. They
win this thirty one to twenty one. They actually kick
a field goal because they were forced to a fourth
and five with about twenty five seconds left, and then
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you know, Sean McDermott decides, hey, let's go kick a
field goal, Matt Prater everybody, so you get that, oh,
by the way field goal at the end. But the
Bills were able to kill the vast majority of the
clock with less than a minute left to go. Dolphins
could not do anything after they got it back. So
thirty one to twenty one is your fine? Not the
ideal for the books in Vegas. That plus eleven plus
twelve plus thirteen a lot of money coming in on
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the Dolphins plus the points tonight and TJ.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
Now you see why Tua turn the ball over is
trending on tall. You know he didn't again. Let he
took this long turn the ball over. Come on to
a turna ball that's pretty good. Come on, man, now
I want to turnover? Uh exit out about a Fresca exit? Swellen,
don't turnover. We'll have more on this game coming up next,
as well as a hot take on the retirement of
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Speaker 5 (16:44):
Two through Pick It, Ended the Game, the Bills one
thirty one to twenty one, three and oh oh and three.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
Fox Sports Radio, The Jason Smith Show with my best
friend Mike Harmon, I'm gonna ask man to me. So
we'll get to Clayton Kershaw coming up in a few minutes.
But I want to throw this by you. I have
a real deep think point about the Bills to make, right.
I have a big deep think points thoughts with Jason spikemember.
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Remember when the Simpsons when Krusty was talking about his
history and they go back to like black and white
from him from the fifties. He's smoking the cigarette on
stage and they're talking like, I have one of those
points to make about the Bills, right, Just think about
it's kind of an inxception point to make with the
coin spinning. So the Bills are three and oh right.
They beat the Dolphins thirty one twenty one. Didn't really
play great tonight, but they played well enough to win,
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succeed and proceed. Didn't really play well against the Jets,
but they played well enough to blow them out, which
tells you how bad the Jets are. Didn't play well
for the vast majority of the game against the Ravens,
but hey found a way to pull it out. Okay,
so the first point is but this is where it
gets deeper. Are you going to sing you don't tug
on Superman's case. I fit no, no, no. I feel
like the Bills are three and oh and they've played
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to a C level so far. Right, that's kind of
where like, the Bills are three and oh, but they've
played to a C level. Unless and this is where
I get deep think on you, unless this is the
new Bills A level. What we've seen so far is
the new A level. The defense is gettable if your
offense is good enough. Clearly the Jets and the Dolphins
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do not have good enough offenses. And offensively for the Bills,
they're a little bit more limited. They're a little bit
more run heavy with James Cook and why wouldn't you
be the guys were the best running backs in the NFL,
a little bit more Josh Allen spreading the ball around.
You had Elijah Moore with a big reception, and late
in the game you had good Yeah, you had Shakiir
with a couple of big receptions. Dalton and Kaid had
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to touchdown a big catch like this may be the
new A game for the Bills, where it's not as pretty,
it's not as up and down the field. It's not
him finding Stefan Diggs on third down and Digs walks
away with twelve catches for one hundred and forty six yards.
This may be the new Bills, a level which is
just not quite recognizable from the Bills we were used to. Right, Like,
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we're halfway through Josh Allen's career, right, We've seen the
first half of the prime of his career. Now he's
getting into the back half of his career. Bigger quarterbacks,
they'll break down early. We've seen this. So in the
back half, the Bills have kind of reinvented themselves a
little bit. For the first few years of his career,
it was Josh Allen designed runs and Stefan Digs pitch
and catch up and down the field. Okay, and that
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worked to an extent, but not good enough to get
to a Super Bowl. Then guys start getting paid, guys
atart making more money. You realize you have to move on.
They move on from Stefan Diggs, and now they draft
James Cook and now here are the Bills and it's
a new era for them. It's Josh Allen still doing
his thing, but it's less design runs. It's more him
spreading the football around. It's a heavier running attack and
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it's not quite as sexy. But this is how the
Bills have adapted over the last couple of years to
segue from the beginning of the Josh Allen era, the
first half of the Josh Allen era, to the second
half of the Josh Allen era. Right, we talk about
it with the Chiefs, where the first half of Patrick Mahomes'
prime was up and down the field, all kinds of points.
You can't doesn't matter what this offense is, you can't
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stop it. If you get down fourteen nothing, that's it.
He's gonna throw to tyreek Hill, He's gonna throw to
Travis Kelcey, doesn't matter. He's gonna throw the ball behind
his back. He's gonna throw it Lefty. He's gonna throw it.
You don't think he can do it. He's gonna throw
it off his back foot seventy yards downfield? Did Juju
Smith Schuster? Now it was. The last couple of years
was a little bit different, a little more game managing
defense is better. We don't have to worry about going
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up and down the field. We don't have that. We
also don't have the capabilities to it because we don't
have the wide receivers. For that, we don't have Tyreek
Kill anymore. In the receivers we have are a bunch
of Jags. So Mahomes has to make it work as
best as he can. More game managing, not throwing the
ball fifty yards down the field, but more hey, ten
twelve yards, a little bit more chunk yards. But the
big downfield plays aren't quite there. Travis Kelsey slowing down
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as well, not gonna be able to hit him for
twelve catches a game like he had up until a
couple of years ago. So now here's the new era
of Patrick Mahomes. And now, hey, we drafted James Worthy,
we drafted Jamee Point, he can dunk. They drafted Javier
work Game. Rashie Rice will come back eventually, and Hollywood Brown,
I know the Chief's still trying to get their wide
receivers on the field at once, which okay, they've not
been able to do it so far, but maybe you
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get back to that level with the Chiefs. But you
definitely saw the change of the first half of Mahomes
to the second half of Mahomes, And now the Chiefs
are kind of morphing out of that where the Bills
are in that spot of Okay, we went from the
first half of Josh Allen, Now here's the second half
of Look, Keon Coleman's a guy that a big week
won and has disappeared the last couple of weeks. Boy,
Keon Coleman, he was the right guy to get out
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to Florida State. He's so good. Blah blah blah blah blah.
Now he's not. I don't even know more than a
pass in the last couple of weeks. But it's somebody different.
But this is Alan spreading the ball around and again
a little bit more game managing. But the Bills offense
is still doing it. I don't know that it's a
C game as more as this is more what the
norm is for the Bills, and I'm gravitating towards that
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now seeing where we're at now with three games of
this new season to put to bed for Buffalo.
Speaker 3 (22:08):
Yeah, nine different receivers tonight for Josh Allen. We talk
a little bit about familiarity when you get down to it.
For their first three games, right, two division opponents and
the Ravens, who they seem to battle at least once
a year. Right, So we have some familiarity, which means
you're gonna have some change up in how those games flow. Obviously,
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Week one was one of the more chaotic final few
minutes we'll see in NFL history, let alone the twenty
twenty five campaign. But I think some of it also
is a switch up right. Defensively, you're missing at Oliver,
huge component you brought in Bosa. You're reshifting and reformulating
what McDermott's.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
Doing with the defense.
Speaker 3 (22:51):
Curious to see that as the season rolls on, maybe
the Bills are transitioning to a degree as well of
what we used to expect from the New England Patriots.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
September.
Speaker 3 (23:02):
You're gonna win games, but it ain't gonna be pretty
because you're trying to figure out exactly what you are
with James Cook. They paid him, so you better damn
well run him, right, which is what we saw with
Josh Allen a couple of times where he could have
taken the ball and taken off on the run.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
What did he do?
Speaker 3 (23:17):
He did the little shovel passes. He had one that
if he'd led, I think it might have actually been
Cook leads him another step further and he can go
get the ball. You would have had another big play.
Instead it falls harmlessly in complete, but the improvisational skills
moving there, But that receiving corps trying to find who
exactly is your trustworthy spot. You mentioned Elijah Moore coming
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over two catches thirty yards on three targets. A bunch
of that thirty yards was yack. Khalil Shakir had four
catches forty five yards. The touchdown came out a beautiful
design where he went in motion across the line of scrimmage,
did a little all right now take you know, like
where they held the ball up in the drills, ball
drills like all right, now go backwards, all right, forward
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backward kind of thing. So he goes back behind al
and goes back in motion the other way, and now
he's coming like a house of fire, catches the ball
and stride and sprints to the end zone. So design, uh,
the play design will be a little bit different. So
I'll hold reservation that we're not going to get any
real semblance of what they are the next couple of
weeks because the schedule, the schedule is not great. It's
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pretty soft. The next couple you know, it's pretty soft.
The rest of the season. You take a look out there,
it's not like they have a lot of world.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
Beaters on their schedule, right like, like, hey, you like
you look at Notre Dame schedule, It's like they don't really,
I mean they're owing to to they don't have a
lot of teams on the rest of their schedule that
are really good. Look out for USC now man.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
But now like things have flipped so much in the
AFC in the last few weeks and it kind of
feels like the Bills just have a red carpet to
home field advantage all the way through the playoffs. I
already thought they did division wise, O the red carpet
in that division for you, I mean high on the
on the t They've been doing interviews with everybody with
with with with with from the last few years ago,
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from from uh uh Steve Comet, go to Joan Rivers
to Melissa Rivers Comet and now it's they're just continuing
to roll on with that. We've been on the red
carpet of the AFC East for better part of the
decade plus let's way pulling through to put it in
the timeframe. Maybe Joan Rivers has not been with us
for a while.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
Okay, but I wanted to guy like Joan Rivers.
Speaker 3 (25:24):
But I'm just saying they kind of put it in
the time continue.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
Now it's Seacrest and everybody, Oh yeah, great, all right?
Have they cloned him? Maybe?
Speaker 3 (25:34):
Between him and Mario Lopez at they own eighty percent
of the jobs.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
And he's doing a new show, right They just they
just said mary A Lopez is going to host some
new another big show. Yeah yeah, okay, And now he's
got his kids running amok like it's going into this
whole other thing. Okay, good for him, uh eating former
guests of the show.
Speaker 3 (25:49):
He came on to talk boxing, that's right during our
formative years as well as some saved by the Bell
of course. But for Josh Allen and the Bills, like,
it's kind of like we watched the Dodgers, right, We
watched them every night, and we celebrate one hundred and
sixty two, particularly Kershaw Day. We did celebrating Kershaw Day forever.
But what does it all matter? Ye until October first
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one is it matter? But I think the Bills were
in that same function. However you get there, It's like
the Chiefs, however you get there.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
I don't care.
Speaker 3 (26:18):
What do you got when it comes down to it,
Like with Patrick Mahomes, just to tie the bow on that,
like he's had a handful of opportunities. Kelsey's already betrayed
him twice back to back weeks. Oh got it pretty badly.
And that's what I said for Kelsey to start yelling
at his teammates and then drop a big pass that
cost him the game, Like to stop yelling at me, man,
Maybe less podcasts and a little more catching the foot.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
He had that one week one where it's like, oh no,
he led him.
Speaker 3 (26:43):
Too much, Like no, no, no, that was a half
passed route across the face of the KD at the
two yard line.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
Last conversation a little more, don't have the ball top
off your hands to go to the defender who picks
it off and wins the game.
Speaker 3 (26:54):
Exactly anyway to the point, Mahomes has had a couple
of big shots downfield, but he doesn't have the timing
with these guys like he once had where Tyreek Hill
was going to go track it. Funny how that became
one of the conversation points with two Week one and
Week two either way for the Bills feeling pretty good.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
This could be the new Bill I'd be really I
feel like this is just the new version of the Bills,
where they're just not as sexy as they used to
be and we just have to get used to it,
like so they can stay. Look, this is how good
they can win any kind of game obviously. Look you
saw them win a shootout Week one with the Ravens. Right,
They're able to have a game on Sunday against an
overmatch opponent the Jets, and go, listen, we just we can.
We only have to run like four or five plays
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like Boone ran and remember the Titans, Like four or
five plays enough to beat the Jets. And there we
show up on a Thursday night and the Dolphins keep
it closer short week, but we find a way to win.
We make the big defensive play at the end, Like
this may be just who the new Bills are now,
Not nearly like they still put up thirty one points,
not nearly as unbeatable as they were, but still the
big They're still a big, overwhelming favorite team. They just
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don't look like they used.
Speaker 3 (27:55):
To forty one, thirty and thirty one points, and it's
like you just don't anymore.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
Yeah, but what can you do exit out about a
Fresca exit swollen dome. Jason Smith Mike Harmon live from
the Fox Sports Radio studios, Time now to find out
what's trending in the wide world of sports. From Martin Weiss.
Will of course have a lot on the big breaking
baseball story of the day, the big pitching story that
you could kind of see coming but still a shock
to hear. Jonah Toong five beginnings as the Mets win
(28:24):
again over the padres.
Speaker 6 (28:25):
Hey and Pete Alonso a fourth straight game with the
home run. If he's home in every game the rest
of the way, I like our chances. I think, you know,
good strategy. Yeah, you know, why don't they just do
the do it every game? I'd be a great manager.
Hey hit a home run?
Speaker 1 (28:39):
Yeah, God, there go. I don't see the problem.
Speaker 6 (28:41):
All right, We'll get to baseball in just a minute.
Let's start with football from Thursday night, the Bills beat
the Dolphins thirty one and twenty one. Miami was in
the game for most of as a one possession game
until to a tongue of I Lowa with a fourth
quarter interception that shielded and Buffalo ended up kicking a
field goal to make it.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
A two possession game.
Speaker 6 (29:00):
Josh Allen had two touchdowns, three touchdown passes, two a
tongue of by low I had two touchdowns and that interception.
Los Angeles Dodgers have announced that three time sy Young
winner Clayton Kershaw will retire at the end of the
twenty twenty five season. His final home start will be
tomorrow against the Giants. Right now, Dodgers in action against
the Giants in the top of the sixth inning of
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one on There's nobody out, still scoreless.
Speaker 1 (29:24):
Between San Francisco.
Speaker 6 (29:26):
And La Seattle Mariners won at the Royals two to
nothing to tie Houston for first place in the AOST.
The Guardians won their seventh consecutive game with a three
to one victory at Detroit and Cleveland, now three and
a half back in the AL Central. The Yankees beat
the Orioles seven and nothing. The Washington Commander's quarterback Jayden
Daniels did not practice for the second consecutive day. He's
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got a sprained knee. Will Chargers signed Tony Jefferson to
the active roster from their practice squad.
Speaker 1 (29:54):
He's a safety.
Speaker 6 (29:55):
He started that Monday night game Kansas City wide receiver
Xavier Worthy was limited in practice working back from a
dislocated shoulder. Hopes to see him out there on Sunday.
Rooky wide receiver Jalen Royal was a full go. He
hopes to make his NFL debut for Kansas City on Sunday.
Atlanta listed Kyle Pitch as limited on Thursday's practice with
a toe injury. And in the w NBA Playoffs, the
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Indiana Fever have advanced to the second round. They beat
the Atlanta Dream eighty seven to eighty five, winning the
series two games to one, and with one minute and
thirty three seconds left in the fourth quarter, the Aces
lead the Storm seventy to sixty eight.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
Back to you guys, thanks a bunch, Martin, appreciate it.
They're better without Caitlyn Clark. Just where it rage takes?
Where are those hot takes?
Speaker 3 (30:39):
Look at the way they generated the ball, assists on
seventy five percent of their field goal makes tonight, assists,
the turnover ratio, they took care of the basketball. What
was the problem Kaitlyn Clark was having outside of her
three point shooting taking care of the basketball? A lot
of turnover Smith big game tonight for Odyssey.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
She also led the league assist you know the last
year and a half TI she got hurt.
Speaker 3 (31:02):
But ah, you know what, Yeah, I picked a couple
of stats out of the air.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
How dare you try to refute me. Let's take a
top five player in the game away from their team
and say they're better off without them, like I really
are the fever better? Eight seven seven? Now telling you man,
that's coming up tomorrow. I can just see the production
meeting either early in the morning with the producers and
the talent. They want to go. Okay, So anybody got
anything on the on the fever? Anybody want to say
(31:29):
they're better off without Kenla Cluck? Oh oh me me,
I'll say it. I'll say it. I'll say it. I
will I want that smoke, I w I'll say I
want that smoke.
Speaker 3 (31:37):
Okay, football Friday, I want to stand out. Let's go
give me that one. Meanwhile, get my graphic ready with
the flaming dumpster fire and that Elmo calling for the fire.
Speaker 7 (31:49):
Elmo thinks the fever better without miss Caitlin Clark. Elma
would like to share jelly and cookies with everyone and
talk about this.
Speaker 3 (31:57):
Now he has Elmo come out to uh seth Rawlin's
theme song.
Speaker 1 (32:03):
Burn it Down, Let's go.
Speaker 7 (32:07):
Elmo been on the dream to get out of this series,
lost a lot of money.
Speaker 1 (32:12):
Almost taking up a spot in the Old Grouch.
Speaker 7 (32:16):
Is Elmo's gonna have to borrow money from Rosina and
Oscar to pay this off? Does mister Oscar the Grouch
have any money that someone threw in his can?
Speaker 1 (32:25):
Do you think they were ever running book out of
the bodega?
Speaker 7 (32:28):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (32:28):
Grover is absolutely.
Speaker 3 (32:30):
I mean, like you know, mister Hooper was up front
and then no, but I think Grover is the brains behind.
Like Grover, He's definitely someone that a he seems like
a really good dude. But behind that, I could see
Grover having a dark side.
Speaker 1 (32:43):
Man. I could see that. Absolutely.
Speaker 3 (32:45):
Yeah, I can say, Grover, can we do an extension
like I showed you the Jimmy Cricket as voiced by
Robert England?
Speaker 1 (32:50):
Can we get an extension in that whole world with
a Glover Gone Wrong Grover show on Fox? Right? But
we got that over going wrong? I mean, look, it
can transition it Bore smoking a cigarette walking through the
alley at set Sweet Street, but.
Speaker 3 (33:07):
He goes down and then he then he's out on
these streets. Yeah, but then he's down on his luck.
He goes for some scientific experimentation, the sequel Super Grover.
Speaker 1 (33:15):
So come on, let's go Exit up out of Fransca,
Exit Swalling Dome. Coming up next. We'll have more on
Thursday Night football with the Bills and the Dolphins. Were
awaiting Jay Glazer. But straight ahead, you want a great
Clayton Kershaw hot take as he announces his retirement effective
at the end of this year. That's next right here,
Jason and Mike Fox Sports Radio.
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Speaker 6 (33:50):
Well Dressed Hoboat.
Speaker 2 (33:51):
We'll have more on.
Speaker 1 (33:52):
Thursday Night Football coming up in about ten minutes. But look,
the big bombshell dropped today. Not that it was surprising,
but still to hear Clayton Kershaw calling it a career
in Major League Baseball after eighteen years. Following the end
of this season, you had a news conference. You'll hear
some of that coming up next hour on the show,
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and it's it's a farewell to the best left handed
pitcher that I've ever seen, gonna make his final start
for the Dodgers in Dodger Stadium. That we think tomorrow night,
maybe you'll have one more turn through the rotation before
the playoffs, it will be Away, maybe not. I'm sure
we will see him pitch in the playoffs. He's pitched
well enough this season to be on the roster, but
when he pitches after that, we don't know.
Speaker 3 (34:33):
Ten and two, three, five, three era. He's been fantastic
in spots. But we talked about it the other night.
Starting relieving, what Dave robertson the brain trust of the
Dodgers do from here. Yeah, you got snell Yamamoto and
a bunch of question marks.
Speaker 1 (34:47):
Right, Everything is out the window after the first two
games of the playoffs, So you don't know where you're
gonna be, what kind of bullpen you've run, Maybe Kershaw
piggybacks with another pitcher. Like I'm telling you, piggybacking is
gonna be the big forget about bullpen games outre go
to see piggybacking. Right, the Mets is starting to do that,
and they're just holding on a wild card spy. You're
gonna start seeing where it's two starters splitting a game
rather than a bullpen game. Right, You're gonna see that
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a lot. But obviously Kershaw first ballot, Hall of Fame
or everything. But a big part of his legacy is
playoff Kershaw, which wasn't nearly what he was during the
regular season. But it's not like he was absolutely terrible.
He just wasn't what you thought a guy like Clayton
Kershaw would be in the playoffs, right, You thought, well,
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he's gonna be his lights out in the playoffs as
he is during the regular season, and that wasn't the case.
He had a five hundred record for his career. His
era in different playoff years would bounce around. Sometimes the
EU was two and a half, sometimes it was five
and a half, right, But overall for his playoff his
playoff run, his ERA sat in the four and a
half range.
Speaker 3 (35:51):
It's two runs higher than his regular season. Yeah, it's
it's it's not great. It's not great, backhead, but again,
it's not like he's been absolutely terrible all the time.
It's been boy, he's not been lights out, and there's
been winner go home games in the playoffs where Kershaw
was not great. And it makes you the question, oh
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my goodness, oh Kershaw, kersher look at this, look at this.
Speaker 1 (36:15):
But I got a bit of a hot take for you.
I Kershaw's playoff performance, right, everybody wanted Kershaw to be better.
I ask you this. Okay, go back to I'm not
saying go back, go back to during the era of
Clayton Kershaw, right the last eighteen Go back to the
mid two thousand and five. Name me one starting pitcher
that was lights out his career in the postseason. And
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you can't say Madison Bumgardner because he's the only one.
Give me another guy.
Speaker 3 (36:43):
During this run, during this run, yeah, because that would
have been after Shilling.
Speaker 1 (36:47):
Right in the two thousand and eight, two thousand and nine,
twenty ten into there's not And and that's really where
you have to understand. This is a new era of
Major League baseball where you don't get that there's no Hey,
we're trotting this guy out there and he's gonna go
seven innings. That's a bygone era.
Speaker 4 (37:06):
Now.
Speaker 1 (37:06):
It doesn't mean that I'd like to see Kershaw pitch
a little bit better in the playoffs. But it's not
like he's completely off the reservation with it, right because
Randy Johnson his career in the playoffs, Oh, Randy Johnson,
he was under five hundred. His era was almost four. Right,
that's Randy Johnson in the playoffs, right like that, that's
kind of that's kind of what you see. So the
whole situation with Kershaw is that, yeah, you would have
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liked him to be better, but it's not like he
was so far out of line that, oh, it should
ding his career because Kershaw was still good enough and
had big performances in the playoffs. But nobody and and
bum Garner is the one guy, right, bum Garner's the
one guy that, Wow, he found a way to step
up in the playoffs and go absolutely bananas and single
handedly dragged the Giants to a victory. Right like that
(37:50):
was a really big that's really big. He's the But
he's the only one nobody else like can point to
and go, you put him out there, it's gonna be
a win. That era is gone now in the of
the of Roger Clemens and the guys in the nineties
and John Smoltz and Tom Glavin and Greg Mattis. Yeah,
you see guys with those kinds of records because that
was when, Yeah, these guys came into the playoffs and
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pitch seven eight innings are pitch complete game, right, But
that's not baseball now. So if you want to judge
him fairly over the course the last fifteen eighteen years, yeah,
bum Garner is a better postseason pitcher. I'm not arguing that.
But Kershaw was much bad, had a much better career
all the way through, right with everything he's been able
to do. So when you when you break it down
that way, really the the breakdown of his postseason career
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is really over it and it's almost not fair at
times because you're holding him to a higher standard, but
you're not holding the other guys to the higher tam
But where are the other There are other great pitchers,
There are the great, great, great pitch. We're not holding
Justin Verlander that stands actually Scherzer to that standard, right,
We're not. But these guys are all great pitchers too.
Speaker 3 (38:52):
Yeah, Verlanders seventeen and twelve in his career in the postseason,
we go to Johnson with some great and heroic efforts
for Kershai. It always seemed to me, and I'd have
to go back game to game that it was always
all right, he did really well for four and a
third or five and a third, and then it would
always fall apart, whereas in today's day Dave Roberts would
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never let him get to that point. Yeah, no matter
who he was, so you would have always avoided the
meltdown of that final inning. The other thing is, I'll
just take it to let's grab football, since we're on
a football Thursday night as we sit here, how many
guys really excelled in the grand scale in the playoffs?
Speaker 1 (39:33):
All right?
Speaker 3 (39:33):
We look at Breeze, we look at Manning and go
on down the line. You had runs obviously to their
Super Bowl wins, but then you had a lot of
one and done's. You had a lot of subpar games
where they didn't finish the job. And again it gets
brought up in a larger context, but doesn't become a
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defining issue like Kershaw and the postseason done like guy's
got a couple of World Series rings on the mound,
one as part of the squad, and an eighteen year
career with a lot of big time starts that he
always was there to take the ball, so it's awful
difficult to detigrate's what he was able to do or
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try to push that aside when you rack him up
against the other guys of the last twenty years.
Speaker 1 (40:20):
Exit, how about a Fresco exit? Swelling down the Jason
Smith Show with my best friend Mike Harmon. A lot
more baseball on the way, but coming up next we
get back into what big Thursday night win for the
Bills over the Dolphins. You'll hear from Tua. What did
he have to say about his interception? Oh boy, that's next.
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two minutes to go in the fourth quarter, and what
we thought could be an embarrassing end for the Bills.
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Is now just going to be an escape? Most likely?
The Bills have the ball first and ten, Josh Allen
finding Elijah Moore. Wow, remember where did he start? Yeah,
Jets for a thirty yard game, a big first down.
They have the ball the Dolphins thirty five yard line.
Dolphins have one time out left, so the Bills clinging
(01:31):
to a touchdown lead. The reason they are clinging this
lead and looking to run the clock out is because
to a tongue of Iloa just throws a ridiculously awful pass.
With Miami in scoring position, he does not see Bernard,
who jumps in front of who jumps the route, gets
a return nearly. You know, if he had beat one guy,
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we would have had that defensive touchdown that I gave
you on picks. I said, hey, my big prop pick
for tonight's gonna be give me a defense of touchdown.
It was like plus twenty five hundred Bill's defensive touchdown.
He had one guy to beat and we would have
had that defensive touchdown. But he gets shoved out of bounds.
Bill's have the football now. But man Tua, who had
had a pretty nice game, you know, started out slow
(02:13):
and somehow the you know, Miami was able to keep
it close for most of the game. Uh Ta threw
a couple of touchdowns, but that pass was absolutely terrible. Again,
you have it's the middle of the field. You gotta
see that he was taking a step backwards throwing off
his back foot. This is something that Tua does and
when you're throwing a middle field off your back foot,
you get what you deserve. It's funny, you know, as
(02:35):
we were talking about the the baseball side of it,
and people feel free to chime in on that and
the Randy Johnson Clayton Kershaw kind of discussion point at
how about a Fresco at swollen Dome at at Fox
Sports Radio, Tua a lot of a lot of the ball.
There's no zip, right, that's one like put it, put
it in Waald's gut, yeah, and let him let make
a play. He doesn't.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
But you add a little bit of that extra loft
to it, which was the defender to cut underneath it
and start coming back the other way. And we saw
that trying to push the ball to the outside a
couple of times. It's like, wow, that is it gonna
get there? It's gonna okay, all right, fine, he got
the reception move on, and he made a bunch of
big throws right the couple of great throws to Tyreek Hill.
Earlier in the game, he got the touchdown to Waddle
(03:19):
before Ali Gordon started the scoring. Like, there's been pieces
to this game where I was like, all right, this
team's showing you some fight. Overall, three hundred and fifty
total yards of offense for the Bills to two fifty
for the Dolphins over the course of this one. Bills
haven't really been hitting the penalty game. But where the
Dolphins excelled and they played some field position. They had
(03:40):
a couple of good returns that let them start an
advantageous field position to make this thing a game. But
now we're inside the final two minutes and no more stopping.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
Of the clock. You know who was it that we
saw last week one of the Monday or Thursday games.
I forget which quarterback it was, but threw a big
third down where getting rushed and off their back foot
going backwards, but threw the ball into the flat to
the running back with such zip on it hit the
running back and stride. It was a fifteen yard play
and we're talking about going that. That's how you make
(04:11):
a throw like that when you have when you it
wasn't I think it was Week one. Who it was.
It might even been Caleb Williams. I mean maybe, well listen,
it was Monday or Thursday night, and one of those
might have been Caleb. But but that's how you can't
make that throw to the middle of the field when
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when your arm is is not what it is, you know,
it is not what an NFL quarterback, normal NFL quarterback is,
you know, going backwards and and kind of floating that
over the middle like that was. It's it's an easy
ball to go get. And this is the and this
is Bernard knowing, Hey, I'm gonna sit back on this,
make him think he's got a guy. We're gonna pressure
him up the middle. He's not gonna see me like
(04:54):
the Bills are gonna walk out of this and go boy,
we ran that one to perfection, right, We pressure him,
he thinks he has the receiver over the middle, and
he does it. It's not even close. Like really, this
is this is the year when you went when you
you we talk about the Dolphins and the changes that
are gonna happen after this year. Right, twenty seven seconds
left to go. Uh, the Bills are running out the clock.
The Dolphins don't have any timeouts left. They're gonna fall
(05:15):
to zero to three, where it's gonna be a big
start over for the Dolphins, right, like the Dolphins are
gonna completely start over. McDaniel, he'll make it past this
week because we said last night if they get blown out,
you know, the the the the the results on Monday
or Thursday are always much bigger than it is one
o'clock on a Sunday. Right, But the Dolphins played well tonight.
(05:38):
They were driving for the for the tying score and
that and you know, toa makes that throw. He's not
as dynamic as he was. And in an offseason when
clearly they they're gonna have it with Tyreek Hills act,
you know, he's gonna wind up getting dealt probably by
the deadline. Mike McDaniel's gonna get replaced by by a
new head coach sometime during this season. Tua is also
(06:01):
in his last year with the Dolphins, and mainly because
the Dolphins need to start over, and Tua has always
been a player that as good as he is, right,
and he's a good quarter But I've always liked Tua.
He's shown you in the last few years where you
worry about the injury issues, right, you worry about that,
and you also worry is he that guy? Is he
that good? Right? You paid him? But is he that
(06:23):
great of a quarterback? And clearly the system he is
in now in Miami, eh, he shows it sometimes and
sometimes he does it. Now, there's gonna be other teams
that are gonna say, hey, we could do a hell
of a lot worse in free agency. We don't know
about the draft. Yes, we have the system, right, because
no matter how bad a starting quarterback is, what it is,
there's a system out there for you. Right, whether you're
Sam Darnold or Gino Smith or Baker Mayfield, doesn't matter.
(06:46):
There's a system out there for you. And there's gonna
be a coach at least one that says I can
make it work with ta Not only that I know
how much we're paying in the next couple of years,
not gonna have to worry about that. Hey, things will
be great. Maybe we're not giving up as much we
absorb a contract. Whatever, it's gonna be, someone gonna say, hey,
I want Tua and the Dolphins are gonna make that
trade because it's gonna be a complete and total reset.
(07:06):
And that's why the Dolphins are team number thirty two
in the NFL out of thirty two because they're the
furthest away from a reset. Like the Jets are resetting
this year. Right, Okay, they're not on on the hook.
They're not paying out big contracts. The guys are leaving
after this year. They're not worried about replacing people. In
the same thing with the Browns. Right, they're waiting, they're tanking.
They got quarterbacks there that are just there for this year.
(07:27):
Like the Browns and the Jets have already started their reset, right,
other teams, the Raiders have started their reset. The Dolphins
have to get to the offseason reset and then start
next year. That's why they're team number thirty two because
they have the furthest to go for whatever they're gonna
be after this season is done. And and two is
the guy that you think he's gonna be, Well, you
build around to it. Now, a new guy coming in
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is not gonna say, yeah, I'm gonna hitch my fortunes
to Tua. He just never has gotten the hug that
franchise quarterbacks get from teams that pay them like that.
Even Trevor Lawrence has a bigger hu hug from Jacksonville, right,
And Trevor Lawrence has just been a guy. And now
the Jaguars are figuring on, hey, if we just run football,
we're pretty good at it. So but he's never even
though he got paid, it's never been this is to
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his team, this is his franchise. It's been well, you're
kind of the guy for now and still getting paid
that way. You feel like he's still on a year
to year lease with the Dolphins that leases up after that.
Speaker 3 (08:21):
So I think a lot of it is you want
to give him the hug, but there you're one foot
out because of the fear of recurrence of the injuries
that you've had where.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
He's been unavailable to you.
Speaker 3 (08:31):
So it became the latest in the quarterback he's next
man up, and we like what he can do when
he's at his best. But when the timing and everything
is disrupted, obviously that goes to the wayside. Now what's
curious is you start doing the math, and this is
where we get into the curiosity of dead cap money
et cetera, or getting someone to pick up the rest
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of this four year, two hundred and twelve million dollars
deal for twenty twenty five, the dead cap one thirty seven.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
For twenty twenty six seventy nine.
Speaker 3 (09:04):
So you know you've got to have And this is
also where you get into a difficult proposition, is that
you now have several years proof of concept. Okay, at
his best, you can have some big, big games, but
do you get it consistently? Are you getting them for
a full seventeen Not that we're banking out a lot
of these guys to get through there, but you already
know the injury history and the potential for absolute chaos
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in that regard. So if you're not one hundred percent
on the front five guys, which most teams are not,
we bang the drum on that perhaps more than anybody
that bringing into U is well reckless. And the other
side is if you're a new coach, which, let's face it,
how many teams have any level of continuity. I think
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there's like five guys that have been been in their
jobs longer than.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
Twenty twenty one.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
At this point, are you saying, yeah, I'm a new
coach go get me that guy. No, no, you want your
own guy. And if you're a GM, you want your
own guy. So I don't think you're taking on this contract.
Think you're just when.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
It's when it's when it's just money you're talking about.
Money can be had, Money can be figured out. We've
seen it right. No one's trading for Aaron Rodgers. Look
at that contract while they figured it out, right, No
one's trading for Russell Wilson. Look at that contract while
they figured it out. No, he's not gonna get released
because you talk about that dead CP money. But they
can figure out the money. But it becomes the state.
But also for the new team, though, is this a
guy you want to go make that bet on? With
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so many other quarterbacks in the offing and the next
crop of guys, even if there's no wizard among them,
be it nuss Meyer or your guy arch Manning. Did
you get that tattoo removed?
Speaker 3 (10:42):
Oh no, no, Now it's like, uh like he's thirty
three to one now for that like on fire for
nuss Meyer, right, like.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
Oh that's good. Yeah, let's go see if you can
change that up now. But I mean it's it's the
Dolphins are gonna need to start and the new code
coming in. Can you imagine, just think about this like
you have the new organization coming in and it's okay,
we're gonna make it work with tua. Uh okay, yeah,
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we sure about that. Be sure about that, because you
certainly do have the opportunity for a bit of a reset,
right Tyreek Hill, get rid of the stuff and the
off off field if that resolves itself, which it doesn't
sound like there's really much advancement there, but if you
get past that, then you're looking at a sizeable contract.
But plenty of teams that are in need of wide
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receiver help, particularly his old team at least at the moment.
Speaker 3 (11:36):
Now that may remedy itself here in the next couple
of weeks as guys come back from injury and suspension.
But for now, let's put them in the mix for
your Kansas City Chiefs. You've got Devon h Chan. How
many teams need another running back or could use a
lead running back? And if Ollie Gordon's gonna show out
as he did a little bit here. He had nine
carries thirty eight yards, including the ability to run between
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the tackles in and around the goal line. Perhaps eight
chan becomes expendable. Now we're talking about draft picks. Now
you can go get your Guynus Meyer.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
Look, if if I thought for a second that it
would be impossible, I would just say, look, Dolphins are stuck, right,
Dolphins're stuck. But quarterbacks are at such a premium, and
there's teams that they know how miserable life is without it.
They're gonna fil like and that's the best part about
about guys like Darnold and Gino Smith and Baker mayfil
say Okay, hey, you could have really and look two
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has had a better run the first part of his
career than any of those guys. Right, but but you.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
Don't get the luxury of getting him on the cheap
right as your reclamation project these guys.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
But there isn't out in his contract for twenty twenty seven,
so potentially you're not giving up a lot. The Dolphins
are gonna say, listen, we'll eat a little bit of money.
You can make them. You can figure that money out.
It's a one year thing for Tua with another team.
You're not giving up big stuff in the draft. Whatever
it is. Money, whyse the Dolphins just want to move
on and start over. So it's it's more attractive for
a team to say, okay, hey we can we can
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kind of do this, right, we can. We can kind
of do this and go and see it and if it
doesn't work, if it works, great, right, we feel awesome.
If it doesn't work, it doesn't work, we move on.
So it's so while it is a lot of money,
it's it's more it's absolutely going to be a trade.
And because he has played well, you are gonna get
teams that are gonna say, hey, man, no, I'm up
for this. Man, let let's try it. I'm the big
(13:23):
I'm the big guru. You know. I can see Sean
McVay saying, no, no, no, I can make it with sorry,
said thanks, Matthew, I can make it work with two
A tongue of I lower right. We told you this.
This will be the last year for Matthew Shawfford in
Los Angeles. He's gonna go out just like his buddy.
I can see Sean McVay saying, yeah, I can make
this work. Right. I could see Kevin O'Connell if if
all of a sudden, JJ McCarthy is no good. He's
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heard again, Hey, I can make it work with Tua.
You're gonna see the big quarterback gurus are gonna say, yeah,
he could be he could be my project. Right, I
can get him back to being that four thousand yard passer.
Doesn't matter if he can't throw the ball more than
twelve yards with any kind of zip on it. I
can get them back to that, right.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
Yeah, three straight years with a quarterback grating over one hundred.
You go back to twenty twenty three forty six hundred
yards twenty nine against fourteen. That was his only complete
season in the National Football League. Last year, completed seventy
three percent of career best nineteen touchdowns, seven picks, twenty
eight hundred yards, but only appeared in eleven games. So
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there's there's the big question for him. Ten, thirteen, thirteen, seventeen, eleven,
and now three to start your twenty twenty five campaign. So,
as we said, the Bills kneel on the football. They
win this thirty one to twenty one. They actually kick
a field goal because they were forced to a fourth
and five with about twenty five seconds left, and then
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you know, Sean McDermott decides, hey, let's go kick a
field goal, Matt Prater everybody, so you get that, oh,
by the way field goal at the end. But the
Bills were able to kill the vast majority of the
clock with less than a minute left to go. Dolphins
could not do anything after they got it back. So
thirty one to twenty one is your fine? Not the
ideal for the books in Vegas. That plus eleven plus
twelve plus thirteen a lot of money coming in on
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the Dolphins plus the points tonight and TJ.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
Now you see why Tua turn the ball over is
trending on tall. You know he didn't again. Let he
took this long turn the ball over. Come on to
a turna ball that's pretty good. Come on, man, now
I want to turnover? Uh exit out about a Fresca exit? Swellen,
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as well as a hot take on the retirement of
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Speaker 5 (16:44):
Two through Pick It, Ended the Game, the Bills one
thirty one to twenty one, three and oh oh and three.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
Fox Sports Radio, The Jason Smith Show with my best
friend Mike Harmon, I'm gonna ask man to me. So
we'll get to Clayton Kershaw coming up in a few minutes.
But I want to throw this by you. I have
a real deep think point about the Bills to make, right.
I have a big deep think points thoughts with Jason spikemember.
(17:25):
Remember when the Simpsons when Krusty was talking about his
history and they go back to like black and white
from him from the fifties. He's smoking the cigarette on
stage and they're talking like, I have one of those
points to make about the Bills, right, Just think about
it's kind of an inxception point to make with the
coin spinning. So the Bills are three and oh right.
They beat the Dolphins thirty one twenty one. Didn't really
play great tonight, but they played well enough to win,
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succeed and proceed. Didn't really play well against the Jets,
but they played well enough to blow them out, which
tells you how bad the Jets are. Didn't play well
for the vast majority of the game against the Ravens,
but hey found a way to pull it out. Okay,
so the first point is but this is where it
gets deeper. Are you going to sing you don't tug
on Superman's case. I fit no, no, no. I feel
like the Bills are three and oh and they've played
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to a C level so far. Right, that's kind of
where like, the Bills are three and oh, but they've
played to a C level. Unless and this is where
I get deep think on you, unless this is the
new Bills A level. What we've seen so far is
the new A level. The defense is gettable if your
offense is good enough. Clearly the Jets and the Dolphins
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do not have good enough offenses. And offensively for the Bills,
they're a little bit more limited. They're a little bit
more run heavy with James Cook and why wouldn't you
be the guys were the best running backs in the NFL,
a little bit more Josh Allen spreading the ball around.
You had Elijah Moore with a big reception, and late
in the game you had good Yeah, you had Shakiir
with a couple of big receptions. Dalton and Kaid had
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to touchdown a big catch like this may be the
new A game for the Bills, where it's not as pretty,
it's not as up and down the field. It's not
him finding Stefan Diggs on third down and Digs walks
away with twelve catches for one hundred and forty six yards.
This may be the new Bills, a level which is
just not quite recognizable from the Bills we were used to. Right, Like,
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we're halfway through Josh Allen's career, right, We've seen the
first half of the prime of his career. Now he's
getting into the back half of his career. Bigger quarterbacks,
they'll break down early. We've seen this. So in the
back half, the Bills have kind of reinvented themselves a
little bit. For the first few years of his career,
it was Josh Allen designed runs and Stefan Digs pitch
and catch up and down the field. Okay, and that
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worked to an extent, but not good enough to get
to a Super Bowl. Then guys start getting paid, guys
atart making more money. You realize you have to move on.
They move on from Stefan Diggs, and now they draft
James Cook and now here are the Bills and it's
a new era for them. It's Josh Allen still doing
his thing, but it's less design runs. It's more him
spreading the football around. It's a heavier running attack and
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it's not quite as sexy. But this is how the
Bills have adapted over the last couple of years to
segue from the beginning of the Josh Allen era, the
first half of the Josh Allen era, to the second
half of the Josh Allen era. Right, we talk about
it with the Chiefs, where the first half of Patrick Mahomes'
prime was up and down the field, all kinds of points.
You can't doesn't matter what this offense is, you can't
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stop it. If you get down fourteen nothing, that's it.
He's gonna throw to tyreek Hill, He's gonna throw to
Travis Kelcey, doesn't matter. He's gonna throw the ball behind
his back. He's gonna throw it Lefty. He's gonna throw it.
You don't think he can do it. He's gonna throw
it off his back foot seventy yards downfield? Did Juju
Smith Schuster? Now it was. The last couple of years
was a little bit different, a little more game managing
defense is better. We don't have to worry about going
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up and down the field. We don't have that. We
also don't have the capabilities to it because we don't
have the wide receivers. For that, we don't have Tyreek
Kill anymore. In the receivers we have are a bunch
of Jags. So Mahomes has to make it work as
best as he can. More game managing, not throwing the
ball fifty yards down the field, but more hey, ten
twelve yards, a little bit more chunk yards. But the
big downfield plays aren't quite there. Travis Kelsey slowing down
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as well, not gonna be able to hit him for
twelve catches a game like he had up until a
couple of years ago. So now here's the new era
of Patrick Mahomes. And now, hey, we drafted James Worthy,
we drafted Jamee Point, he can dunk. They drafted Javier
work Game. Rashie Rice will come back eventually, and Hollywood Brown,
I know the Chief's still trying to get their wide
receivers on the field at once, which okay, they've not
been able to do it so far, but maybe you
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get back to that level with the Chiefs. But you
definitely saw the change of the first half of Mahomes
to the second half of Mahomes, And now the Chiefs
are kind of morphing out of that where the Bills
are in that spot of Okay, we went from the
first half of Josh Allen, Now here's the second half
of Look, Keon Coleman's a guy that a big week
won and has disappeared the last couple of weeks. Boy,
Keon Coleman, he was the right guy to get out
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to Florida State. He's so good. Blah blah blah blah blah.
Now he's not. I don't even know more than a
pass in the last couple of weeks. But it's somebody different.
But this is Alan spreading the ball around and again
a little bit more game managing. But the Bills offense
is still doing it. I don't know that it's a
C game as more as this is more what the
norm is for the Bills, and I'm gravitating towards that
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now seeing where we're at now with three games of
this new season to put to bed for Buffalo.
Speaker 3 (22:08):
Yeah, nine different receivers tonight for Josh Allen. We talk
a little bit about familiarity when you get down to it.
For their first three games, right, two division opponents and
the Ravens, who they seem to battle at least once
a year. Right, So we have some familiarity, which means
you're gonna have some change up in how those games flow. Obviously,
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Week one was one of the more chaotic final few
minutes we'll see in NFL history, let alone the twenty
twenty five campaign. But I think some of it also
is a switch up right. Defensively, you're missing at Oliver,
huge component you brought in Bosa. You're reshifting and reformulating
what McDermott's.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
Doing with the defense.
Speaker 3 (22:51):
Curious to see that as the season rolls on, maybe
the Bills are transitioning to a degree as well of
what we used to expect from the New England Patriots.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
September.
Speaker 3 (23:02):
You're gonna win games, but it ain't gonna be pretty
because you're trying to figure out exactly what you are
with James Cook. They paid him, so you better damn
well run him, right, which is what we saw with
Josh Allen a couple of times where he could have
taken the ball and taken off on the run.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
What did he do?
Speaker 3 (23:17):
He did the little shovel passes. He had one that
if he'd led, I think it might have actually been
Cook leads him another step further and he can go
get the ball. You would have had another big play.
Instead it falls harmlessly in complete, but the improvisational skills
moving there, But that receiving corps trying to find who
exactly is your trustworthy spot. You mentioned Elijah Moore coming
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over two catches thirty yards on three targets. A bunch
of that thirty yards was yack. Khalil Shakir had four
catches forty five yards. The touchdown came out a beautiful
design where he went in motion across the line of scrimmage,
did a little all right now take you know, like
where they held the ball up in the drills, ball
drills like all right, now go backwards, all right, forward
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backward kind of thing. So he goes back behind al
and goes back in motion the other way, and now
he's coming like a house of fire, catches the ball
and stride and sprints to the end zone. So design, uh,
the play design will be a little bit different. So
I'll hold reservation that we're not going to get any
real semblance of what they are the next couple of
weeks because the schedule, the schedule is not great. It's
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pretty soft. The next couple you know, it's pretty soft.
The rest of the season. You take a look out there,
it's not like they have a lot of world.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
Beaters on their schedule, right like, like, hey, you like
you look at Notre Dame schedule, It's like they don't really,
I mean they're owing to to they don't have a
lot of teams on the rest of their schedule that
are really good. Look out for USC now man.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
But now like things have flipped so much in the
AFC in the last few weeks and it kind of
feels like the Bills just have a red carpet to
home field advantage all the way through the playoffs. I
already thought they did division wise, O the red carpet
in that division for you, I mean high on the
on the t They've been doing interviews with everybody with
with with with with from the last few years ago,
(25:05):
from from uh uh Steve Comet, go to Joan Rivers
to Melissa Rivers Comet and now it's they're just continuing
to roll on with that. We've been on the red
carpet of the AFC East for better part of the
decade plus let's way pulling through to put it in
the timeframe. Maybe Joan Rivers has not been with us
for a while.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
Okay, but I wanted to guy like Joan Rivers.
Speaker 3 (25:24):
But I'm just saying they kind of put it in
the time continue.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
Now it's Seacrest and everybody, Oh yeah, great, all right?
Have they cloned him? Maybe?
Speaker 3 (25:34):
Between him and Mario Lopez at they own eighty percent
of the jobs.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
And he's doing a new show, right They just they
just said mary A Lopez is going to host some
new another big show. Yeah yeah, okay, And now he's
got his kids running amok like it's going into this
whole other thing. Okay, good for him, uh eating former
guests of the show.
Speaker 3 (25:49):
He came on to talk boxing, that's right during our
formative years as well as some saved by the Bell
of course. But for Josh Allen and the Bills, like,
it's kind of like we watched the Dodgers, right, We
watched them every night, and we celebrate one hundred and
sixty two, particularly Kershaw Day. We did celebrating Kershaw Day forever.
But what does it all matter? Ye until October first
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one is it matter? But I think the Bills were
in that same function. However you get there, It's like
the Chiefs, however you get there.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
I don't care.
Speaker 3 (26:18):
What do you got when it comes down to it,
Like with Patrick Mahomes, just to tie the bow on that,
like he's had a handful of opportunities. Kelsey's already betrayed
him twice back to back weeks. Oh got it pretty badly.
And that's what I said for Kelsey to start yelling
at his teammates and then drop a big pass that
cost him the game, Like to stop yelling at me, man,
Maybe less podcasts and a little more catching the foot.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
He had that one week one where it's like, oh no,
he led him.
Speaker 3 (26:43):
Too much, Like no, no, no, that was a half
passed route across the face of the KD at the
two yard line.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
Last conversation a little more, don't have the ball top
off your hands to go to the defender who picks
it off and wins the game.
Speaker 3 (26:54):
Exactly anyway to the point, Mahomes has had a couple
of big shots downfield, but he doesn't have the timing
with these guys like he once had where Tyreek Hill
was going to go track it. Funny how that became
one of the conversation points with two Week one and
Week two either way for the Bills feeling pretty good.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
This could be the new Bill I'd be really I
feel like this is just the new version of the Bills,
where they're just not as sexy as they used to
be and we just have to get used to it,
like so they can stay. Look, this is how good
they can win any kind of game obviously. Look you
saw them win a shootout Week one with the Ravens. Right,
They're able to have a game on Sunday against an
overmatch opponent the Jets, and go, listen, we just we can.
We only have to run like four or five plays
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like Boone ran and remember the Titans, Like four or
five plays enough to beat the Jets. And there we
show up on a Thursday night and the Dolphins keep
it closer short week, but we find a way to win.
We make the big defensive play at the end, Like
this may be just who the new Bills are now,
Not nearly like they still put up thirty one points,
not nearly as unbeatable as they were, but still the
big They're still a big, overwhelming favorite team. They just
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don't look like they used.
Speaker 3 (27:55):
To forty one, thirty and thirty one points, and it's
like you just don't anymore.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
Yeah, but what can you do exit out about a
Fresca exit swollen dome. Jason Smith Mike Harmon live from
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Will of course have a lot on the big breaking
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you could kind of see coming but still a shock
to hear. Jonah Toong five beginnings as the Mets win
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again over the padres.
Speaker 6 (28:25):
Hey and Pete Alonso a fourth straight game with the
home run. If he's home in every game the rest
of the way, I like our chances. I think, you know,
good strategy. Yeah, you know, why don't they just do
the do it every game? I'd be a great manager.
Hey hit a home run?
Speaker 1 (28:39):
Yeah, God, there go. I don't see the problem.
Speaker 6 (28:41):
All right, We'll get to baseball in just a minute.
Let's start with football from Thursday night, the Bills beat
the Dolphins thirty one and twenty one. Miami was in
the game for most of as a one possession game
until to a tongue of I Lowa with a fourth
quarter interception that shielded and Buffalo ended up kicking a
field goal to make it.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
A two possession game.
Speaker 6 (29:00):
Josh Allen had two touchdowns, three touchdown passes, two a
tongue of by low I had two touchdowns and that interception.
Los Angeles Dodgers have announced that three time sy Young
winner Clayton Kershaw will retire at the end of the
twenty twenty five season. His final home start will be
tomorrow against the Giants. Right now, Dodgers in action against
the Giants in the top of the sixth inning of
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one on There's nobody out, still scoreless.
Speaker 1 (29:24):
Between San Francisco.
Speaker 6 (29:26):
And La Seattle Mariners won at the Royals two to
nothing to tie Houston for first place in the AOST.
The Guardians won their seventh consecutive game with a three
to one victory at Detroit and Cleveland, now three and
a half back in the AL Central. The Yankees beat
the Orioles seven and nothing. The Washington Commander's quarterback Jayden
Daniels did not practice for the second consecutive day. He's
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got a sprained knee. Will Chargers signed Tony Jefferson to
the active roster from their practice squad.
Speaker 1 (29:54):
He's a safety.
Speaker 6 (29:55):
He started that Monday night game Kansas City wide receiver
Xavier Worthy was limited in practice working back from a
dislocated shoulder. Hopes to see him out there on Sunday.
Rooky wide receiver Jalen Royal was a full go. He
hopes to make his NFL debut for Kansas City on Sunday.
Atlanta listed Kyle Pitch as limited on Thursday's practice with
a toe injury. And in the w NBA Playoffs, the
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Indiana Fever have advanced to the second round. They beat
the Atlanta Dream eighty seven to eighty five, winning the
series two games to one, and with one minute and
thirty three seconds left in the fourth quarter, the Aces
lead the Storm seventy to sixty eight.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
Back to you guys, thanks a bunch, Martin, appreciate it.
They're better without Caitlyn Clark. Just where it rage takes?
Where are those hot takes?
Speaker 3 (30:39):
Look at the way they generated the ball, assists on
seventy five percent of their field goal makes tonight, assists,
the turnover ratio, they took care of the basketball. What
was the problem Kaitlyn Clark was having outside of her
three point shooting taking care of the basketball? A lot
of turnover Smith big game tonight for Odyssey.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
She also led the league assist you know the last
year and a half TI she got hurt.
Speaker 3 (31:02):
But ah, you know what, Yeah, I picked a couple
of stats out of the air.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
How dare you try to refute me. Let's take a
top five player in the game away from their team
and say they're better off without them, like I really
are the fever better? Eight seven seven? Now telling you man,
that's coming up tomorrow. I can just see the production
meeting either early in the morning with the producers and
the talent. They want to go. Okay, So anybody got
anything on the on the fever? Anybody want to say
(31:29):
they're better off without Kenla Cluck? Oh oh me me,
I'll say it. I'll say it. I'll say it. I
will I want that smoke, I w I'll say I
want that smoke.
Speaker 3 (31:37):
Okay, football Friday, I want to stand out. Let's go
give me that one. Meanwhile, get my graphic ready with
the flaming dumpster fire and that Elmo calling for the fire.
Speaker 7 (31:49):
Elmo thinks the fever better without miss Caitlin Clark. Elma
would like to share jelly and cookies with everyone and
talk about this.
Speaker 3 (31:57):
Now he has Elmo come out to uh seth Rawlin's
theme song.
Speaker 1 (32:03):
Burn it Down, Let's go.
Speaker 7 (32:07):
Elmo been on the dream to get out of this series,
lost a lot of money.
Speaker 1 (32:12):
Almost taking up a spot in the Old Grouch.
Speaker 7 (32:16):
Is Elmo's gonna have to borrow money from Rosina and
Oscar to pay this off? Does mister Oscar the Grouch
have any money that someone threw in his can?
Speaker 1 (32:25):
Do you think they were ever running book out of
the bodega?
Speaker 7 (32:28):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (32:28):
Grover is absolutely.
Speaker 3 (32:30):
I mean, like you know, mister Hooper was up front
and then no, but I think Grover is the brains behind.
Like Grover, He's definitely someone that a he seems like
a really good dude. But behind that, I could see
Grover having a dark side.
Speaker 1 (32:43):
Man. I could see that. Absolutely.
Speaker 3 (32:45):
Yeah, I can say, Grover, can we do an extension
like I showed you the Jimmy Cricket as voiced by
Robert England?
Speaker 1 (32:50):
Can we get an extension in that whole world with
a Glover Gone Wrong Grover show on Fox? Right? But
we got that over going wrong? I mean, look, it
can transition it Bore smoking a cigarette walking through the
alley at set Sweet Street, but.
Speaker 3 (33:07):
He goes down and then he then he's out on
these streets. Yeah, but then he's down on his luck.
He goes for some scientific experimentation, the sequel Super Grover.
Speaker 1 (33:15):
So come on, let's go Exit up out of Fransca,
Exit Swalling Dome. Coming up next. We'll have more on
Thursday Night football with the Bills and the Dolphins. Were
awaiting Jay Glazer. But straight ahead, you want a great
Clayton Kershaw hot take as he announces his retirement effective
at the end of this year. That's next right here,
Jason and Mike Fox Sports Radio.
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Speaker 6 (33:50):
Well Dressed Hoboat.
Speaker 2 (33:51):
We'll have more on.
Speaker 1 (33:52):
Thursday Night Football coming up in about ten minutes. But look,
the big bombshell dropped today. Not that it was surprising,
but still to hear Clayton Kershaw calling it a career
in Major League Baseball after eighteen years. Following the end
of this season, you had a news conference. You'll hear
some of that coming up next hour on the show,
(34:12):
and it's it's a farewell to the best left handed
pitcher that I've ever seen, gonna make his final start
for the Dodgers in Dodger Stadium. That we think tomorrow night,
maybe you'll have one more turn through the rotation before
the playoffs, it will be Away, maybe not. I'm sure
we will see him pitch in the playoffs. He's pitched
well enough this season to be on the roster, but
when he pitches after that, we don't know.
Speaker 3 (34:33):
Ten and two, three, five, three era. He's been fantastic
in spots. But we talked about it the other night.
Starting relieving, what Dave robertson the brain trust of the
Dodgers do from here. Yeah, you got snell Yamamoto and
a bunch of question marks.
Speaker 1 (34:47):
Right, Everything is out the window after the first two
games of the playoffs, So you don't know where you're
gonna be, what kind of bullpen you've run, Maybe Kershaw
piggybacks with another pitcher. Like I'm telling you, piggybacking is
gonna be the big forget about bullpen games outre go
to see piggybacking. Right, the Mets is starting to do that,
and they're just holding on a wild card spy. You're
gonna start seeing where it's two starters splitting a game
rather than a bullpen game. Right, You're gonna see that
(35:09):
a lot. But obviously Kershaw first ballot, Hall of Fame
or everything. But a big part of his legacy is
playoff Kershaw, which wasn't nearly what he was during the
regular season. But it's not like he was absolutely terrible.
He just wasn't what you thought a guy like Clayton
Kershaw would be in the playoffs, right, You thought, well,
(35:32):
he's gonna be his lights out in the playoffs as
he is during the regular season, and that wasn't the case.
He had a five hundred record for his career. His
era in different playoff years would bounce around. Sometimes the
EU was two and a half, sometimes it was five
and a half, right, But overall for his playoff his
playoff run, his ERA sat in the four and a
half range.
Speaker 3 (35:51):
It's two runs higher than his regular season. Yeah, it's
it's it's not great. It's not great, backhead, but again,
it's not like he's been absolutely terrible all the time.
It's been boy, he's not been lights out, and there's
been winner go home games in the playoffs where Kershaw
was not great. And it makes you the question, oh
(36:12):
my goodness, oh Kershaw, kersher look at this, look at this.
Speaker 1 (36:15):
But I got a bit of a hot take for you.
I Kershaw's playoff performance, right, everybody wanted Kershaw to be better.
I ask you this. Okay, go back to I'm not
saying go back, go back to during the era of
Clayton Kershaw, right the last eighteen Go back to the
mid two thousand and five. Name me one starting pitcher
that was lights out his career in the postseason. And
(36:37):
you can't say Madison Bumgardner because he's the only one.
Give me another guy.
Speaker 3 (36:43):
During this run, during this run, yeah, because that would
have been after Shilling.
Speaker 1 (36:47):
Right in the two thousand and eight, two thousand and nine,
twenty ten into there's not And and that's really where
you have to understand. This is a new era of
Major League baseball where you don't get that there's no Hey,
we're trotting this guy out there and he's gonna go
seven innings. That's a bygone era.
Speaker 4 (37:06):
Now.
Speaker 1 (37:06):
It doesn't mean that I'd like to see Kershaw pitch
a little bit better in the playoffs. But it's not
like he's completely off the reservation with it, right because
Randy Johnson his career in the playoffs, Oh, Randy Johnson,
he was under five hundred. His era was almost four. Right,
that's Randy Johnson in the playoffs, right like that, that's
kind of that's kind of what you see. So the
whole situation with Kershaw is that, yeah, you would have
(37:28):
liked him to be better, but it's not like he
was so far out of line that, oh, it should
ding his career because Kershaw was still good enough and
had big performances in the playoffs. But nobody and and
bum Garner is the one guy, right, bum Garner's the
one guy that, Wow, he found a way to step
up in the playoffs and go absolutely bananas and single
handedly dragged the Giants to a victory. Right like that
(37:50):
was a really big that's really big. He's the But
he's the only one nobody else like can point to
and go, you put him out there, it's gonna be
a win. That era is gone now in the of
the of Roger Clemens and the guys in the nineties
and John Smoltz and Tom Glavin and Greg Mattis. Yeah,
you see guys with those kinds of records because that
was when, Yeah, these guys came into the playoffs and
(38:11):
pitch seven eight innings are pitch complete game, right, But
that's not baseball now. So if you want to judge
him fairly over the course the last fifteen eighteen years, yeah,
bum Garner is a better postseason pitcher. I'm not arguing that.
But Kershaw was much bad, had a much better career
all the way through, right with everything he's been able
to do. So when you when you break it down
that way, really the the breakdown of his postseason career
(38:34):
is really over it and it's almost not fair at
times because you're holding him to a higher standard, but
you're not holding the other guys to the higher tam
But where are the other There are other great pitchers,
There are the great, great, great pitch. We're not holding
Justin Verlander that stands actually Scherzer to that standard, right,
We're not. But these guys are all great pitchers too.
Speaker 3 (38:52):
Yeah, Verlanders seventeen and twelve in his career in the postseason,
we go to Johnson with some great and heroic efforts
for Kershai. It always seemed to me, and I'd have
to go back game to game that it was always
all right, he did really well for four and a
third or five and a third, and then it would
always fall apart, whereas in today's day Dave Roberts would
(39:13):
never let him get to that point. Yeah, no matter
who he was, so you would have always avoided the
meltdown of that final inning. The other thing is, I'll
just take it to let's grab football, since we're on
a football Thursday night as we sit here, how many
guys really excelled in the grand scale in the playoffs?
Speaker 1 (39:33):
All right?
Speaker 3 (39:33):
We look at Breeze, we look at Manning and go
on down the line. You had runs obviously to their
Super Bowl wins, but then you had a lot of
one and done's. You had a lot of subpar games
where they didn't finish the job. And again it gets
brought up in a larger context, but doesn't become a
(39:53):
defining issue like Kershaw and the postseason done like guy's
got a couple of World Series rings on the mound,
one as part of the squad, and an eighteen year
career with a lot of big time starts that he
always was there to take the ball, so it's awful
difficult to detigrate's what he was able to do or
(40:15):
try to push that aside when you rack him up
against the other guys of the last twenty years.
Speaker 1 (40:20):
Exit, how about a Fresco exit? Swelling down the Jason
Smith Show with my best friend Mike Harmon. A lot
more baseball on the way, but coming up next we
get back into what big Thursday night win for the
Bills over the Dolphins. You'll hear from Tua. What did
he have to say about his interception? Oh boy, that's next.
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