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Jason Smith & Mike Harmon discuss why they believe even though the Dodgers have advanced to face the Phillies, their bullpen and bad defense will be their own undoing.

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Speaker 3 (00:59):
I'll be there.

Speaker 1 (01:01):
So bottom of the eighth inning now at Chavezravine, Dodgers
lead the Reds eight to four. Seems like wow, okay,
if you haven't paid attention to this game, Dodger up
eight for it. Yeah, things got really tenuous the last
few minutes. Again, Dodger bullpen. Dodger bullpen. I'll tell you

(01:23):
the Dodger bullpen. They want to make sure everybody knows, Hey,
we are going to have something to say about how
this playoff goes. And I don't mean for us to win.
I mean, if you think we're gonna win, we have
something to say about it. Just wait till we get
in the game.

Speaker 3 (01:38):
No, that's it right. We've already got our guy ucla
Dodger Frank to help set this up. Quote the attack
of the eighth inning unquote a Dodger's horror movie, just
in time for Halloween.

Speaker 1 (01:48):
Yamamoto was pretty good, but he comes out of the
game and this is where things get interesting. The Reds
have left runners on base, they had bases loaded, nobody
out in the top of the eighth inning, Down eight three,
all they could muster was a sacrifice fly. Alex Vessia
finally gets a strikeout after re walking the bases loaded.
Emmachian comes out of the game mid at bat with

(02:12):
a one to two count, so the Reds changed Battersbill
that Landuhar comes up and he looks at one pitch,
swings at it and strikes out. So congratulations there. The
Reds looked like they were on the cusp of getting
back in this and now clearly the Dodgers just have
to navigate the ninth inning now and not give up
four runs. And Roki Sasaki is coming in in the
ninth inning for La, which maybe tells you their planet

(02:33):
closer is Sasaki. But but sure as.

Speaker 3 (02:37):
Hell ain't the guys that once upon a time had
the closer designation.

Speaker 1 (02:41):
I'll tell you right now, man, Yeah, one of the
three club they walked, all the guys they spent all that. Yeah,
Tanner Scott he can close. Blake try and he can close.

Speaker 3 (02:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:48):
No, none of those guys are closing. I'll tell you
who the happiest baseball team is right now today. You
think I'm gonna say the Guardians. No, I think I'm
gonna say the Yankees. No, No, the Cobs. No. The
happiest team is a team that hasn't played yet. The
happiest team is the Philadelphia Phillies because they are watching

(03:09):
this and right now Bryce harper Is has got to
bat in his hands in his house and he is
squeezing it going. I can't wait to hit against this
Dodger bullpen. They can't wait because it's one thing. Hey,
the Reds, Let's be honest, the Reds are terrible. This
is not a good team. Right. They backed into the
playoffs because the Mets just sucked worse. Right, the Reds
aren't good. The Phillies are a completely different weight class entirely. Right.

(03:32):
They could have wound up with the number one seed
overall in the playoffs. Right. They came all the way
down to the end, but Milwaukee had the tiebreaker coming
into the final couple of days. This is a much
better team, and they can't wait to get a crack
at this Dodger bullpen, which has stunk for the better
part of the last three months. You think, okay, here
you are. All you do is protect big leads against
the Reds. No, can't do that. And you're sweating out

(03:54):
the seventh, eighth, the ninth innings of games where your
offense is putting up eighteen runs. Right, the Phillies all
they got to I guarantee you, they're just having conversations
with it right now, saying just get that pitch count up,
get the pitch count up. A snell ghetto Tani's pitch
count up. Get the pitch count up, Yamamoto, just get
their pitch count up. The quicker we get to that bullpen,

(04:16):
the faster, we're gonna win this game. Because the Dodgers'
bullpen is shown there is absolutely nobody you can trust. Now.
Sasaki may be the one outliar because it's he's come back,
but he's had two innings.

Speaker 3 (04:27):
But that's it.

Speaker 1 (04:27):
We don't know he's had two innings. Did you think
all of a sudden, it's like watching the Mets when
the Mets would bring up and get Hey, he's our
best pitcher, but he's only pitched one game. Yes, because
everybody else is terrible. Like Sasaki coming in throwing one hundred.
If he can go an inning, yeah, you're gonna close.
Congratulations Susaki, you're gonna close. I know you are starting
pitcher of the future. All these things happening, but we
need you here right now, coming back from injury. This

(04:48):
is what they have to do because this Dodger bullpen,
there is literally nobody you can trust on this roster.
Not one person can you say, come in and you're
gonna get three outs for us without get not even
in a tight game. Just like you can't trust anybody
with a five run lead that I'm not going to
need to go to another guy and go to the bullpen.
I know Dave Roberts loves to go to the bullpen

(05:09):
like he loves it.

Speaker 3 (05:10):
I don't think he loves it and doing it, but
I think he loved it last year because it worked
and it was like, all right, let's see how much
of a genius our system is. Again. You know, I'm
with you a.

Speaker 1 (05:19):
Little bit on it because when they when they showed
Dave Roberts after a walk or a base hit, he
does not look nearly as happy to be going to
the pinch round as he did when he.

Speaker 3 (05:28):
Went when he went in mid at bat this time around.
By the way, that's the other thing is the Red's
coming out of this game. They're going to be kicking
themselves forever. Sixth inning opportunities. You got two runners on
and then Yamamoto ends up getting two strikeouts to end
the ending. You don't even put the ball in play,
you don't extend his pitch count whatever. And then in

(05:50):
the eighth you leave the bases juiced and have a
called third strike after battling. Yeah, that's tough, you don't battle,
and then at bat and then he put a string
on him and that was it.

Speaker 1 (06:03):
You know. But here's the thing. But in the end, though,
if you're the Reds, you walk away from this and
you're saying, it's been a great season, and look what
happened the first two games. We gave up ten runs
in game one, eight runs in game two. Are we
really gonna win games? We're giving up runs like that
to the Dodgers? So yeah, well you missed opportunities abs
one hundred percent. I mean, not quite like the Red Sox,
which we'll get to it. Wow, we'll get to them.
But yeah, but for the Reds, you can say, okay,

(06:25):
well when it's a home run party and tonight it's
eight more runs that they've gotten early and they get
out to a big lead, like, what are we really
gonna do? So I think in the end the Reds
are going to say to themselves, hey, we were lucky
to get here. We'll raise a banner, you know, MLB
Playoff participant in twenty twenty five, Hey that's great.

Speaker 3 (06:42):
Yeah, but their whole banner was were cockroaches? You can't
kill us, which is what they tried to battle back.
It's like, ah, we clean the house. The matter.

Speaker 1 (06:51):
I'm still here. But I'm telling you, man, the Phillies
they are just they're foaming at the mouth right now
to get at this Dodger Bowl.

Speaker 3 (06:58):
How do you feel about Bryce Harper these I mean
he because you and I started doing this show he
was only in his third year and you hated it. Yeah,
but now you realize, Now I come to respect him.
At three sixty three and over a thousand career RBI.

Speaker 1 (07:10):
Went, I'm in a well. Look, we've gotten to the
point where boy Bryce Harper is not going to drive
in one hundred runs. He's not gonna hit three thirty anymore. Okay,
so in a couple of years, when the Phillies still
have like six years left on his deal, he's gonna
be hitting twenty home runs and knocking in eighty runs
Like that's gonna be the The last six years of
Bryce Harper making thirty some ond million year are going
to be twenty and eighty years, twenty and fifteen and

(07:31):
seventy five years.

Speaker 3 (07:32):
When was his last one hundred RBI season, Oh, five
years ago, twenty nineteen.

Speaker 1 (07:37):
Yeah, Yeah, it's been He's only I think knocked in
one hundred runs twice in his career.

Speaker 3 (07:40):
Twice twice, Yeah, I mean well, and then he had
a ninety nine RBI season in nine nine, Right, it's
not one hundred twenty nine is not thirty forty two
home run ninety nine rbi that year. He led the
major leagues in pretty much everything. Yeah, back when he
would get walked all the time, but they don't do
it anymore. You don't walk him all the time. You
can get left handers, can throw it, can throw a

(08:02):
curve or a slider in the dirt and get him
to open up and swing like he's not. He's not
that guy any He's still a terrific player, right, don't
get me wrong. He's still a terrific player, but he's
not quite that guy. He's not putting up those beautiful girls.
It's still blank you up.

Speaker 1 (08:18):
But I'm telling you, man, this Phillies lineup and Schwarber
like they're saying, I can't wait to get this again.
We told you going into the playoffs. The biggest X
factor of anything you could possibly say, what's the bit
is it? The Yankees lineup is at this? It's the
Dodgers bullpen It is the thing that takes the Dodgers
from we're a team that's gonna win the World Series.

Speaker 3 (08:38):
Two.

Speaker 1 (08:39):
Hey man, we can go out in this round because
we can't get anybody out right. And and and now
as you say that, and what we just saw Roki
Sasaki two strikeouts and a soft line out to short
puts the finishing touches on this win for the Dodgers.
They advance the NLDS against the Phillies eight to four
over the Reds. They went Sasaki with three innings pitch

(09:01):
now right, three innings pitching the play. And since he's
come back, he's the only guy you can trust. He's
the only guy, the only guy you can try.

Speaker 3 (09:08):
You know what's great is at twenty three, he doesn't
know what he doesn't know.

Speaker 1 (09:11):
Good for him the dog. Look, this is it's a
win for the Dodgers. They were supposed to win this series.
They went it in two games, the only team to
win in two games. You know, we got three game
threes tomorrow. But you know this is about what's next
for La And I'm telling you, man, this is the
Phillies are cut. They got knives and forks. They got there,
they got their their napkins tucked under their chin. They're

(09:32):
banging the table, going coming, get me coming, Gebby coming,
where's that turkey? Where's that turkey? Slice it off. I'm
just throwing you. I'm just throwing you pizza meat, and
you're just eating it right. It's like the old Dentis
theory line from his stand up. I want my meat
so rare. Just bring out the cow. I'll cut off
what I want and I'll ride the rest home. Like
the Phillies are like, yeah, give us this raw meat.

(09:53):
Dodger bolt been man, let's just get there. And they're
they're telling each other long at bats long at bats
long at it's not about it's not about putting up run,
not about taking chances. Get into that pitch count, get
these guys out, get him to have twenty pitch innings.
Let's get to that bullpen by the fifth inning, because
then the dog then we have the Dodgers exactly where
we want them. They can't trust anybody led to fifth inning.

(10:16):
That should be the whole thing. Five they show five,
five fingers up like King Kong Bundy five. It's like five,
what does that mean? Five? Don't worry, it's a big
thing for the team. Then you find out it means
that's the inning we want to see. The Dodgers go
to their bullpen on inning five, inning five, And already
you know it's built in with Otani because how many
ins can Otani really go? Especially when the playoffs come in,

(10:37):
his pitch count's gonna get higher. But even for snell Yamamoto,
get that pitch count up and it's gonna be a
much different story. Because the Phillies are a much different
animal than the Reds are.

Speaker 3 (10:47):
We will get some series odds up and going as
soon as they become available. We know the Phillies did
come in as the leaders in the clubhouse based on
the strength of that lineup and of course the the
depth of the pitching staff. So odds will come up
soon enough. But a lazy, little soft line out to
short ends any potential threat. As we move on.

Speaker 1 (11:11):
Now, the other thing for the Dodgers is this, right,
it's weird to say this a day when the Dodgers
they win, and what the only team in the first
round they can win in two games. But this is
about next steps, right, This is about we're talking about
the elite teams. This is not hey, the Guardians staying
alive in the playoffs. This is about World Series hopes.
First inning tonight started out as bad as you could
possibly expect for the Dodgers. Why because ty Oscar Hernandez

(11:34):
drops a routine fly ball in right field and the
Reds wind up getting two runs. And again you're extrapolating
this to this happened against the Reds versus you have
the Phillies and then maybe the Brewers and then whoever
comes out of the American League. This is what it's
going to be. And understand, the Dodgers defense is terrible, right,

(11:54):
They got guys playing out of position, or guys playing
positions they can't play because to Askar, Hernandez is an
all awful right fielder, but he's got to play someplace
because Otani's the DH. Right. You got Mookie Betts, who
is a goal glove right fielder that you moved to shortstop,
and is he a great shortstop?

Speaker 4 (12:09):
No.

Speaker 1 (12:09):
Max Munsey is okay at third base, but as range
is limited, you don't have a lot of great situations defensively.
And this is where those mistakes get magnified in the
playoffs in a large way. Look a look at the
American League playoffs we've seen so far, there's one error
and the team goes from winning to losing because of it. Right, Like,
this is where you talk about the two big things

(12:31):
the Dodgers going forward. It's the bullpen in their defense
because there's no solution defensively for them, because this is
what they have to put out there to get their
best lineup out there. Right, you can't move to askarnande
is the first base or somewhere else you can with
because that's not where these guys play. And so yes,
I get that you could be upset about that if
you're a Dodgers fan or think about but this is

(12:52):
just the price you pay because this is the lineup
you need out there, and it is not good defensively,
it just isn't good. And that's something that one play
against the Phillies. You know, a Babe schwarb Er flow,
you know Looper down the right field line that should
being out, that's dropped by taoscar Hernandez all of a sudden,
that's a fore run inning. And with the Phillies bullpen,
this game is over. Right, So I mean credit to

(13:14):
the Dodgers. They win the game. Tonight and it's awesome.
They move on to the next round. But boy, I
look at that bullpen and that defense and go, man,
this is what tell you know, put a pin in
this one. This is the foreshadowing element from earlier on.
You know, when they show up in the horror movie
and the old guy says, don't go into the woods.
There's a guy there in a mask. Yeah, I forget it,
old man, We're gonna go drink and smoke pot and
have sex. Yeah, okay, I'm the guy that told you this.

(13:36):
I told you. And then like you know, thirty five
minutes later in the movie, oh my god, this guy's
picking people off with a hockey mask on. Okay, I
told you, I told you.

Speaker 3 (13:44):
The old guy shrugs and says, that sounds like a
pretty good time. Forget everything.

Speaker 1 (13:47):
That sounds like a good time. Hey, it'll be the
last good time of your life. But boy, it sounds
like a good time.

Speaker 3 (13:52):
It's a hell of a way to go out, And
just said, I know.

Speaker 1 (13:55):
The guy's name is Jason. Just say you know the
guy with the cleaver, Just say it is Jason.

Speaker 3 (13:59):
So you know, I mean, it's better than I was
sitting watching you know, some late night rerun of a
show and have a heart attack. That's kind of boring.
This way, at least get a little bit of excitement.

Speaker 1 (14:11):
I'd rather die watching that boring watching that boring thing
and getting a meat cleaver through my chest from behind,
Like that's how I want to go.

Speaker 3 (14:17):
Yeah, but yeah, what's interesting is uh Dodgers' six to
fewest errors watch the games. Yeah, not the errors. That's
not the only category you talk about. To talk about
tracking and covering a lot of space, uh, and their
deficient way.

Speaker 1 (14:34):
It's more for the Dodgers, it's more about it's more
about defensive run saved than it is about out and
out era. I mean tonight was this big drop. It's
more about yay, defensive run saved like that's that's a
big thing.

Speaker 3 (14:45):
And Taoscar I mean, how many times have we talked
about his defense?

Speaker 1 (14:49):
Oh yeah, I mean I mean hundreds of times, hundreds
of times. I mean it was it was a Maylock's
moment there in the first Like, how is how has
Maylox not sponsored something in or where hey the Maylock,
where something bad happens or something that makes a fan
base just oh my god, my stomach my stomach because
of that error or that bad play or that interception. Hey,

(15:09):
here's a Maylock's moment of the game. Yea, that not happened.

Speaker 3 (15:14):
Seems like you'd get on board there. Yeah, that's these
players Association of the League won't won't like it until
they see you have the size in a check. Yeah
that's but it's money, right, No, it's money like if
it's wait now, who cares.

Speaker 1 (15:26):
You would take the money? You could not take?

Speaker 3 (15:28):
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Speaker 5 (16:46):
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just think about this for a second.

Speaker 1 (17:07):
I mean think about this. The Dodgers beat the Reds
and Roki Sasaki, who has now pitched a grand total
of three innings since returning from injury. I hadn't pitched
since May. Starting pitch with the Dodgers gave him a
big contract. Right picked the Dodgers this year. His stuff
is electric and since he's come back, he has been terrific.
Right throwing a hundred miles an hour. His stuff is movie.

(17:29):
He's got great movement on his pitches. He has now
pitched a grand total of three innings two holds at
the end of the regular season. Ah, they always argued
about holds. What constitutes a hole? And now and now
you can call holding on every plane. Two holds. And
now he comes into the ninth inning after the Dodger
bullpen has struggled. Everybody that's come in has struggled and

(17:52):
gets the reds one, two, three. His stuff looks great.
Two strikeouts in a soft lineout. This is how desperate
the Dodgers are. Because I guaran and damn to you.
Sasaki has just become the Dodgers closer for the rest
of the playoffs.

Speaker 3 (18:04):
I would suspect you. And I don't even think I
don't even think that's that's a hot take. I don't
think that's something that the Dodgers say.

Speaker 1 (18:11):
Yeah, no, no, no, no, no, well, we still have
some guys like, no, this is where Okay, you've had
one hundred and sixty two plus games trying to figure
it out. I'm sorry. We have to make big, bold decisions, right.
I feel it's like when Nolan McLean came up for
the Mets and after two starts, I said, he's our
best pitcher, he's our race two starts because how bad
everybody else is. That's how bad three innings pitch. And
we watched all three innings pitch by Sasaki and his

(18:33):
stuff looks electric. So yeah, at least they found one
guy they could trust. But that's how desperate the Dodgers
are is that he's thrown three innings and it's like
you are now jumping all the way up to the
top of the chart to close.

Speaker 3 (18:46):
But as we've watched the last few years, the closer
position is not what it was when we were younger. Right,
you'd have across most of Major League Baseball, you would
know year to year that's the guy in this city.
They were long standing, unquestioned back end guys. That's just

(19:08):
what they did.

Speaker 1 (19:09):
Now.

Speaker 3 (19:09):
You went to closer by committee for a number of
teams years ago, A bunch of teams went to the
all right, young guys again who there's not a lot
of tape, there's not a lot of history and at bats,
And for Sosaki, perhaps that's part of it. Live arm
didn't pitch a lot of innings and now comes back

(19:30):
and there's an opportunity to catch lightning in a bottle,
and certainly plenty of tape, plenty of bats and histories
struggles from everybody else in the back end of that bullpen.
So yeah, you go ride the hot hand. Right, you
got two guys in your backfield in the National Football League.
You got a guy who's bulldozing people, and you got

(19:52):
a guy who wants to dance. Offensive line's not very good.
Which guy do you go with? You go with the
guy who's dancing, because you can get hit behind on
his scrimmage. You give me the juggernaut of Camp's cannabo
and then away we go. Same thing here. Sasaki is
the equivalent of that with one hundred mile an hour
fastball and good movement. Yeah, he doesn't know what he

(20:13):
doesn't know, So you ride with that. You've got high
priced closers that you brought in, but clearly they haven't
gotten the job done. Now.

Speaker 1 (20:22):
Look, and that's the life of being a closer or
relief pitcher in baseball, is that, you know, for all
the just to give some gms and managers a little
bit of a pass here because you know, whether it's
Aaron Boone or not. Okay, it's so volatile. The relief
pitching position in Major League baseball, where if a guy

(20:42):
like you, if a starting pitcher is really good and
has a good year, okay, likely you know he's gonna
come back and have another good year. Now, maybe not
the same, the wins losses might not be the same.
But if he comes and he's really good as Era is,
you know, close to three, maybe a bad year for
him as Era is three and a half, right, and
maybe instead of fifteen and seven, he's twelve and eleven.

Speaker 3 (21:02):
So all that is, it's like a batting average, right,
All that is, it averages a couple of bloops that
get caught one year suddenly.

Speaker 1 (21:11):
Drop in and and you know, you see that and
you got I get that. And the same thing if
you're a batter who comes up and you have a
big year and you knocking thirty home runs and knocking
one hundred and ten runs. Wow, you're really good and
you at two two eighty, boy, what a great year. Great,
but then a down yere four years. Okay, maybe hit
two fifty twenty eight home runs, ninety RBI. You're still
close to that, to that guy. But you look at

(21:34):
some elite bullpen arms that everybody thinks, Hey, these guys
are gonna be great, and you sign him they're coming
off a great year. I would almost rather sign a
guy coming off a bad years. Like if I sign
a guy coming off a good year, maybe he was
used too much. Maybe they're gonna figure him out after
whatever he figured out this year, and teams are gonna
be able to take good at bats off of him.
But it's so volatile, it's so difficult to try to

(21:57):
figure out your bullpen for more than just a couple
of months at a time, right like you, you can't
figure out your bullpen for the whole season. Look the Dodgers,
you would have figured out, Hey, we are bullpen. We're
all set right, all the moves made in the offseason
when we have and we have starters that we can
move to the bullpen if we need to. And now
it's hey man, maybe Kershaw in the eighth and Sasaki
in the ninth, Like that, what's gonna happen in the

(22:18):
next round of the playoffs? Like I'm sure Clayton Kershaw
will be on the next UH Dodger roster, and maybe
some relievers won't be because well, okay, he was he
was still decent enough during the regular season. Rather have
him lose in the play I'm not gonna lose with
with Sheen or any of these other guys that can't
come in and get anybody out. So I mean, but
but just to understand for for managers like relieve, the

(22:39):
relief pitching position is so volatile. Guys can be All
Stars one year and the next year your e RA
is six and you don't know what happened. I don't
know why. I know, my ERA is five and a
half and we can't trust you anymore. But then but
then the next year, hey, they signed someplace else for
not a lot of money and they have a great
year and their ERA is two and a half and
and all of a sudden they figured out what was
ailing them the last season. It is really really hard

(23:02):
to figure out bullpens. But at this point in the season,
you would have to think at some point, right, we
know the guys we can trust. And if you're the Dodgers, right,
And this is why this Dodgers thing is such a
big deal, is because there's only one guy and he's
pitched three innings. There's nobody else, nobody else that you
can trust. Say, Okay, I guess we'll helpe this guy,

(23:24):
and if not, I'll go to the next guy, the
next guy, the next guy, right, Like I always say, Hey,
if you change pitchers long enough, often enough in baseball
in the playoffs, you will find the guy who it's
not his day and that's why you're gonna lose that
game and go home. But the Dodgers, it's the exact
total opposite. Well, but it's not your day. Maybe it's
this guy's day. And I'll just keep changing guys until
I find the one guy that it is his day.

Speaker 3 (23:45):
Well, it is the curiosity, right, And we've talked about
it for as long as we've been on air together.
You know, the just change of scenery, whether it be
in the NFL and quarterbacks needing to find the right coach,
coordinator and system to make at work. Same thing with
a guy in a bullpen, like how many how many
pictures have we seen go from all right, they were

(24:07):
supposed to be the hot prospect. I'm not gonna go
I'm not grabbing Ben McDonald here. He's got enough.

Speaker 1 (24:12):
It's just but like he's gonna be doing NHL games.

Speaker 3 (24:15):
Nice, there you go. This just put ESPN to signed
him to opening just for one of the opening Yeah,
guess what you're gonna go watch then the ice you're
gonna correspondent that you're there. But but just the idea
that you go to an organization where there is stability,
where you've got to trust in terms of your bullpen coach,
a pitching coach, your bullpen catcher, all of those things,

(24:38):
where there's continuity. You know why we we hold up
in every sport those handful of organizations where you don't
have massive turnover because you can bring a guy in
and say, all right, you fit what we do and
here's the philosophy, or we notice something on tape, or
we you're coming off an injury and the other team
didn't have the luxury of bringing you along slowly. The

(25:00):
Dodgers you're able to do with their starting staff.

Speaker 1 (25:02):
Right.

Speaker 3 (25:03):
It was a very odd regular season for the Los
Angeles Dodgers. Right, most of your starters that are coming
and wrapping things up and getting into the postseason fewer
than one hundred innings pitch go back to Gershaw right
two five three ERA in the regular season, Lefty final year.
Guess what you'll see him in the bullpen, Lefty left
the arm coming out, crafty, and he's gonna fight with

(25:26):
every hitter. But the other thing that needs to be
said is you've also gone the last month without Will
Smith behind the plate. Yeah, so you're relying on young
kid behind the plate to learn how to hit major
league pitching, but also to call a staff and coordinate that. Now, again,
a lot of that can be directed from the dugout,

(25:48):
and we certainly know the Dodgers utilize that kind of thing,
and their analytics second to none. Right, money spent in
the organization, in personnel, and all of that cycling down
to Dave Roberts. But doesn't mean that there's still not
gonna be hiccups, you know, in terms of locations, set up,

(26:09):
whatever else. So Smith's supposed to be available, I guess
he was gonna be available as a pinch hitter today.
So maybe in the next series that rears its head
a little bit and is able to be a calming voice.
But it had already gone south before he got hurt.
So we take that with a grain of salt as
it goes. But Sasaki three innings, let's go young closer, bullpens.

Speaker 1 (26:33):
But the season's just getting started, you know what I mean. Yes,
it's a little getting started, man, just getting started.

Speaker 3 (26:41):
But they're on the plane to Philadelphia.

Speaker 1 (26:43):
That's true. Now here's here's the thing for another playoff series.
Here I told you, and I'm honest with you right
like I was. Where am I right now? Okay? I
feel better about the Mets now that the Reds are out,
all right, because clearly, okay, the Reds are a bad team,
right we said, look are a bad team. The congratulations
they got there. They won enough gains, lost.

Speaker 3 (27:04):
The final an opportunity, the door opened and they crashed
the part.

Speaker 1 (27:09):
That everybody stunk. They just didn't stink as much as
the as the as the Mets or other teams.

Speaker 3 (27:14):
Did you think they set a fruit basket to the
Marlins or anything.

Speaker 1 (27:18):
No, I think they sent the fruit basket to uh
the Mets pitching staff. Hey, thanks thanks for just not
showing up. Uh, look, and I feel better about that, right,
I feel better about about the about the the Mets now,
because all right, the Reds are outd because look, if
the Dodgs were gonna hit like this against the red
starting pitching, well, guess what the met they were gonna
hit like that against the Mets starting pitching because the
Mets starting pitching outside of Nolan McLean is terrible, right,

(27:39):
so they probably would have won the series. So I'm
feeling better, But I felt worse today after watching the
Tigers and the Guardians. Why because the Guardians, look, they
won games. They deserve to be there, right, they won
enough games. They were really good the last half of
the season. But it really pissed me off. And I'm like,
they shouldn't be in the playoffs because they can't hit

(28:03):
at all at all. I had to watch this, this
thirty first ranked team in batting average and ops get
a five run bottom of the eighth inning with a
home run from a guy that's at five home runs
all year to force a winner take all Game three
with the Tigers, who for a while were the best
team in baseball, right, they're the best pitcher in baseball.

(28:23):
It really it ups I'm going I had to watch
my team with three guys that were thirty thirty in
home run and I had to watch it. And this
team is awful. They cannot hit at all. The Guardians
are terrible. Yeah, that what two guys? I think two
guys on the team have an OPS that's just over
the league average, the league average. Two guys. Two guys.

(28:46):
They can't again they get two twenty five. You look
down at the bottom of the team. You know the
other teams that are the worst four hitting teams and maybe,
oh yeah, I'm sure the Guardians, the White Sox. Sorry buddy,
but you knew.

Speaker 3 (28:59):
I knew that, the Pirates.

Speaker 1 (29:01):
And the Angels, all teams who seasons ended before the
fourth of July. Before you were eating apple pie and
holding up Sparklers, their seasons were over. No, no, no,
here's a team that can't bleep and hit at all
is making it. And here not only that. He guess what,
We're in a winner take all game because we can't hit.
But boy, we find just we just find a way
to win. Right. I give them all the credit in

(29:22):
the world. I give them all the credit row before
I say they.

Speaker 3 (29:25):
Should not even be anywhere Ramirez and Kwan, we're spectacular.

Speaker 1 (29:28):
They should not be near the playoffs.

Speaker 3 (29:30):
The Ramirez a career that really should be celebrated more
than his five point eight war two eighty three batting
average thirty and eighty five for him, as well as
forty four stolen bases for Kwan two seventy two, eleven
fifty six, twenty nine doubles, twenty one stolen bases. Who
do you think is the next leading hitter.

Speaker 1 (29:51):
Kenny lofton Kenny Laughton game.

Speaker 3 (29:54):
Might as well be it's Menzarto at two thirty four.

Speaker 1 (29:58):
Yeah, I think Manzarto was one of two guys just
over a league with the ops, just over league average.
I think he's one of two guys.

Speaker 3 (30:04):
Yeah, that's some next level stuff right there.

Speaker 1 (30:06):
Yeah, I'll tell him about it. Just it bothers me
so much. And I got nothing against them. I got
nothing against you. I got nothing against the No, no,
no no. I've been to Cleveland a few times. I
love Cleveland.

Speaker 3 (30:16):
I've been.

Speaker 1 (30:16):
I've been the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. I
visited there a couple of times. No, I used to
watch the Drew Carrey Show. I just get really upset
when I go, how the hell are they in the playoffs?

Speaker 3 (30:25):
Man?

Speaker 1 (30:25):
This is and not only that they won ninety game
Like how he It's not like you just squeaked in
and you would seventy nine games or something. They played
the Whites, no, I know, the Oils. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
we played the White Sox thirty It was our year
to play the White Sox thirty eight times this year.
I mean, really it upsets me, man, really it does.
It shouldn't be this show.

Speaker 3 (30:44):
Let's see, Let's go and look at their division record.
What do they what do they do?

Speaker 1 (30:48):
Uh?

Speaker 3 (30:48):
Cleveland in division undefeated? Why is that that? They don't
even put that on the basic They lost one versus
division game to the Tigers. Now at a separate tab
against the Central thirty six and sixteen. Yeah, great, there
it is. That's against the East seventeen and fifteen, against

(31:10):
the West fifteen and fifteen, inter league play twenty and
twenty eight. There you go. There's your culprits, the Twins,
the Royals, and the White.

Speaker 1 (31:18):
Sowhere there now. That being said, and of.

Speaker 3 (31:21):
Course, Detroit in their meltdown at the end of the year.

Speaker 1 (31:24):
To give you a first Big Ball prediction, because if
I do. I'm not on I'm out of the family
text chain. I will go, I will go. I will
go Tigers and Flarerty tomorrow to win Game three, another
low scoring game. But I've seen Flarerty come up big
in big situations, and I'll bank on him doing it

(31:44):
again tomorrow. Good at least a good six innings out
of him, and he can take this horrendous lineup and
hold them down again, and the Tigers will get enough
runs and they'll have one game where they at least,
you know, they got to score at some point, right,
They got a couple runs at some point. So I'll
go with the Tigers tomorrow to win and move on
to the next round.

Speaker 3 (32:01):
Over under his seven innings played. See, we just stop
the fight. It's I mean, really, I think the over
runner for run should be three. That's up to seven,
should be three. Seven, man, I'll take I'll take the
under on that all day long. Let's see what else
do we get.

Speaker 1 (32:18):
We have a slug fest today, it's two to two
in the eighth inning.

Speaker 3 (32:22):
Let's see game special minus one twenty five flarity with
five plus strikeouts, Tigers to win.

Speaker 1 (32:28):
Yeah, man, there we go. I'll take you I'll take
the Tigers. Yeah, I'll take the Tigers. I'll take Flarerty
and the Tigers tomorrow.

Speaker 3 (32:34):
Oh, guardians can't hit.

Speaker 1 (32:36):
No, they can't. I got, I mean they got just today.

Speaker 3 (32:39):
I love pictures duels, cauld I tell you.

Speaker 1 (32:41):
That time to find out what's trended right now in
the wide world of sports. But a guy who also
loves pictures duel, sure he does, because he always bets
the under it's Isaac Lohencron.

Speaker 6 (32:54):
Yeah, I'll tell you that one Marichale Warren spawn one
didn't work out to go back in the day.

Speaker 2 (33:00):
That was on the East coast too.

Speaker 1 (33:01):
Oh yeah, yeah, that killed me. One of those one
hour and seven minute games.

Speaker 6 (33:05):
Yeah, it was at zero zero, shutout for sixteen innings,
and it was still in an hour in seven minutes. Well,
it was not an hour in seven minutes at Dodgers
Stadium earlier this evening. But it's going to be an
off season for the Cincinnati Reds because in Game two
the National League Wildcard Route, the Dodgers prevailed over the
Reds eight to four to take the series two games
to none. Mookie Betts four hits with three doubles and

(33:28):
three RBI. The Reds left the bases loaded twice in
this game. The Dodgers now advanced to the National League
Division Series against the Philadelphia Phillies. And here's how it
sounded just moments ago in a celebratory Dodgers clubhouse, when
manager Dave Roberts addressed his team. Now, the noises you're
going to hear here in case you can't tell right away,

(33:51):
are the Dodgers prematurely popping their champagne bottles.

Speaker 2 (33:56):
Listen, I only.

Speaker 1 (33:59):
Ask, is everything guy ready call pop?

Speaker 4 (34:04):
Keep your minds like we're gonna be every step you guys.

Speaker 1 (34:10):
See. Now there's a serious moment for Dave Roberts, because
what do you need to say is because all of
you guys I may call on to pitch.

Speaker 3 (34:20):
That's you, O Tawny, that's you Freeman. That you bet
you may have to pitch. That's just straight out of
a comedy. Right as the popping as he's trying to
have the serious moment.

Speaker 1 (34:31):
I'm gonna yeah, I like the premature popping. That's like
that scene from the Natural right when they were talking
about winning one more game and the one assistant coach
pops the champagne that start pouring in on each other.
I'm like, oh, so, I know what's gonna happen.

Speaker 6 (34:44):
Were shadowing life imitating art in the Dodgers Clubhouse. Earlier Wednesday,
the New York Yankees forced to decide in Game three
with a four to three win over the Boston Red Sox.
The Yankees Austin Wells the go ahead RBI single in
the bottom of the eighth inning. The Cleveland Guardians worst
to deciding Game three with a six to one win
over the Detroit Tigers, and the San Diego Padres forced

(35:06):
to deciding Game three with a three to nothing victory
over the Cubs. So here's the schedule for tomorrow, all
these times Eastern, threeh eight Eastern time, the Guardians hosting
the Tigers.

Speaker 7 (35:18):
Five.

Speaker 1 (35:18):
I'm sorry that game's already started. The Tigers have already
left three on base.

Speaker 6 (35:22):
Just to let you know, as they're continuing with the
Cincinnati Reds did tonight at Wrigular fielded five away, there'll
be the Cubs hosting the Padres, and then at Yankee
Stadium at eighth eight on Thursday, the Yankees.

Speaker 3 (35:33):
And the Red Sox.

Speaker 1 (35:34):
Guys back to you, thanks a bunch ilo Jason Smith
Macarman live from the Fox Sports Radio studios. Well more
baseball coming up, but straight ahead, a big story out
of the NFL today that was really overrated unless it's
not Fox Fox Sports Radio Jason Smith Show with my
best friend Mike Harmon. Take off your uniform, take off

(35:57):
your cleats, take off your jockstrap. Big baseball.

Speaker 7 (36:00):
We bet a big hot take coming up in a
few minutes on one of the big games from today. Yes, yes,
huge boner, but look, today was Today was a day
where Shadoor Sanders grabbed everybody's attention again because of his
reaction to an interview when he was asked about the

(36:21):
Cleveland Browns making the decision to go to Dylan Gabriel
as they're starting quarterback. Now, look, we talked about this
last night. Joe Flacco was awful. They're gonna go to
Dylan Gabriel. My big prediction of five guys starting a
quarterback for the Browns this year is coming true. It's
still alive.

Speaker 1 (36:38):
I said, by October they make the change from Joe Flacco.
We're right on time, man, I said Flacco to Dylan Gabriel.
But Shador Sanders, now, okay, what's the deal. He still
stays third string and Flacco is the backup. And I
get that because, Okay, when Shador Sanders is ready to start,
he's gonna have to start at some point, right. So
Sanders has asked today about his reaction, and when I asked,

(36:58):
what's going on? And he just mimes all his answers.

Speaker 3 (37:03):
I really wanted to hear the sound, but then it
would just be dead air and we'd get in trouble.

Speaker 1 (37:06):
He looks like he's talking, but he's not really saying anything. Look,
here's just a sample of what it sounded like. Uh,
this reaction that has gone viral in the last few
hours locally.

Speaker 8 (37:17):
Anything to say, I guess If so, it's one more
guess what what do you think you have to show
the show to coach, just having believe in you that
you can have you ready.

Speaker 1 (37:38):
So again, he's just sitting there and he is uh
and he is he is miming answers and it's and
it's just really weird. Now in the end, is this
that big a deal? No, it's not right because he's
having some fun here with with this and because what
it turns out, uh, we find out is that Adam
Schefter reports This was directly responding to Rex Ryan, who

(38:02):
said earlier this week, this kid needs to shut his
mouth and go play. So he's having some fun, right,
So this is not that big a deal. However, I
want to say this because this is where Chardor Sanders
has to understand perception is reality, and the optics that
he has right now aren't great. So even in a
moment where it should be met with, hey, this is
kind of fun. He's just having some fun with Rex Ryan.

(38:24):
Is that how it's gonna be, uh portrays how it's
gonna come out. No, there's gonna be a lot of
what is he doing? He has no support for Dylan Gabriel,
what's happening in Cleveland? And you're gonna get more bad
optics for Shador Sanders and more teams who are gonna think, yeah,
why is he doing this? I mean because you're he's
got an audition for thirty and other teams now, because
he's not gonna be on the Browns after this year, right,

(38:45):
and he might not be in the NFL after this year.
That's why he needs someone to sit down and say, dude,
I get that you feel like you're just starting your career.
This could be your last year in the NFL. You're
a fifth round pick that clearly is third or lower
on the Brown depth chart. Now, should you get a
chance to start this year? Absolutely, the fans want to
see it, and the Broncs the Brown's got no choice

(39:06):
at some point but to let you start. But understand
that after this year, the Brown's gonna get somebody new
and they're gonna wave you because you're a fifth round pick,
and you want other teams to know we can get
a guy to come in. He can sit in a
system for a year or two and then really show
us what he's got. You have to make sure your
optics are always the best, even though this is not
a big deal. Look, I didn't care. I know this

(39:26):
is not gonna be met that way throughout the NFL,
and all he's doing is hurting his future employment.

Speaker 3 (39:31):
Yeah. I kind of chuckled at it when I saw
it and just kind of shrug my shoulder, saying, Okay,
it's a shadure story, and it's really not a story
because he's not playing. But uh, to that, to that end,
you know, some of it is it's the latest headline
about a guy who's who's not playing and where a

(39:52):
lot of the noise, whether it's real imagined, it's there,
was about the pre draft process and the issues that
teams had speaking with him in meetings, whatever else. All
of that negative script, whether you believe it or not,
it's there and it's been part of the lexicon. So
now you add this as the latest chapter of that.

(40:13):
Go back to his comments last week saying he was
better than most some of the quarterbacks in the NFL,
and some took that as a he might as well
have been pointing directly at Joe Flacco's head when he
said those things, And then Joe Flacco took to the
podium and talked about Dylan Gabriel's work ethics, So folks
think that might have been as slight at chadur So

(40:35):
now you've got this roundtable thing, and by saying, you know,
Cleveland fans have supported this squad through a lot of
bad seasons. They ain't gonna turn their back if Shador
Sanders doesn't start a game for them.

Speaker 1 (40:47):
Exit out by the Fresca, Exit swollen Dome. A big
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