July 12, 2023 • 41 mins
Jason Smith and Aaron Torres debate if Andrew Luck is Hall of Fame worthy. Jason a lot for just one more HR Derby with Chris Berman yelling "Back, back back" for every HR and having zero voice by the time it got to the end. And Nick Castellanos makes a compelling argument for why Scooby-Doo is a superhero.
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Speaker 3 (00:59):
I was speaking with an accent again.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
I'm glowed to key your car aarontaurus because you said
such as thinks about Curtis Martin.
Speaker 4 (01:07):
I just agreed with with Frostburg. I mean I don't
remember saying anything that controversial.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
You'd never want to agree with Frostburg. You don't want
that backs number one, that's a big.
Speaker 4 (01:16):
Mistake, Frostberg.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
You let him talk to you like that. That's a
big one.
Speaker 5 (01:19):
From my face, he said that to you.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
That's a big mistake.
Speaker 4 (01:22):
He told me that I should never listen to you.
Speaker 5 (01:25):
Yeah, he would never say.
Speaker 4 (01:26):
You're the backbone of this show. You keep the whole
thing on on the tracks.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
You said Curtis Martin is not a Hall of Famer
as we were debating Andrew luck who was definitely not
a Hall of Famer, that you think he's a Hall
of Famer.
Speaker 4 (01:39):
I think that Curtis Martin has the same number of
Super Bowl championships and also one more Pro Bowl in
literally like fifteen more years of playing time.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
Okay, let me just let know, Okay, for as many
rings as we do.
Speaker 5 (01:52):
Eric.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
Secondly, he had he ran for fourteen hundred yards in
nineteen ninety nine, somehow didn't make the Pro Bowl.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
That's not his fault.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
Thirteen one hundred yards in two thousand and three, didn't
make the Pro Bowl, that's.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
Not his fault.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
Has he played for the Jets, I mean, well, no,
and you do all this for the Jets. A sixteen
hundred yard season with the Jets is like a twenty
five hundred yard season with anybody else. You are overcoming
a lot with the Jets. You're overcoming me.
Speaker 4 (02:16):
Is that I'm actually not anti Curtis Martin. I'm just
pro Andrew Luck that that that's where we're getting it
confused here.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
No, but you, But but you did the wrong thing.
Well you you know, Curtis Martin is my favorite football
player of all time. And the fact that you said
that I am allowed to keep your car, actually I
actually want to.
Speaker 4 (02:33):
Andrew Luck was my favorite football player.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
But is he your favorite football player? No, he's not.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
But you insult You insulted Curtis Martin. I shook Curtis
Martin's hand for a good thirty second.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
Yeah, we met. It was so awkward at the.
Speaker 4 (02:46):
Super Bowl and the security broke it up.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
It was so awkward. I shook his hand for so
long you went back.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
It's like I shake your head a ghetto and shake
your head again.
Speaker 5 (02:59):
Extremely awf.
Speaker 4 (03:00):
Oh my goodness.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
I love Vinny Testaverdi. I love him. He's not Curtis Martin.
I mean Curtis.
Speaker 4 (03:09):
I mean, I was for the record stop and Andrew
Luck was the debate of him being a Hall of
Famer today.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
He had two fantastic years, he had a third year
that was really good, and then his other three years
were either average or below average, and then he was hurt.
So if he was great for all six years, I
would say, yeah, okay, I can see it, because the
guy was great for all six years, but only was
he not great? Uh, he was hurt and when he
was coming back, he decided I don't need to play anymore.
(03:38):
So I'm sorry a guy that walked away. Do I
really feel the need to say this guy is a
Hall of Famer or to put him in when he's
done that? I mean, the guy went to one AFC
Championship game. At least Curtis Martin went to an AFC
championship game.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
Come on with the.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
Jets, I mean, come on, man, I mean, we're really
setting the bar low because Andrew Luck just has such
a great reputation.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
And that's a great reputation.
Speaker 4 (03:58):
Sure, I feel like everybody was out of their mind
every time he talked.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
Anytime you say something about Andrew Luck, you get you
get over the top, whether it's on social media, whatever,
I could understand. Fans just love the guy because he
never really said anything. He threw touchdowns when he was healthy.
He went to Stanford, he came in with a lot
of hype and he played pretty well, and it was
He's just one of those guys that everybody liked. He
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loved the captain Andrew Luck on Twitter. They love that
part of him too. He's the very few guys in
sports enjoy great reputations where when you take them on
at all, it is heresy. I can't believe he would
say that about that, and that person's the greatest person ever.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
No, No, they're not, really, No they're not. They're not.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
It's but that's the way it is, and it's players
like Andrew Luck. Steph Curry is another guy that enjoys
an unbelievable reputation. But when I say something like the
guy's a little overrated because he can't get his own
shot off the last two minutes of the game, he
can't win games. He's he's taken out of the game
in the last few minutes. That's why he's not as
great as everybody says. Oh, you can't believe he'd say
that about him. Look at what he doing. Yeah, when
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it comes time to the end of games, he can't
do anything because he's too small and he can't get
his beat. He doesn't set anything up, he doesn't set
passes off. He just can't do it. He's too small.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
I'm sorry.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
I can't do that, But players like that Patrick Mahomes,
another guy can't no matter what happens. And not that
I disagree on anything about Patrick Mahomes. The guy's the
best quarterback in the NFL the last fifteen years. But
certain players just enjoy that reputation, and other players can't
do anything right no matter what they do. It's all
but this this bet, like Lebron James, matter what the
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guy does, he could score forty with twenty rebounds and
tenn assists and the Lakers could win Game four the
NBA Championship one twenty to one oh five, and you
would get half the people in the country going why
did it take him so long?
Speaker 3 (05:46):
But they won in four.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
It doesn't matter. Somebody else different would have won in three.
They would have found a way to do it. How
did he not score fifty? I you only have forty?
Some players, no matter what they do, they can't they
can't get that hug from the fans and from the media.
And and that's guys like Lebron James, other players as well.
Then you have guys that, no matter what they do,
can't do any wrong, right, and and Andrew Luck is
one of those guys. Just enjoys that reputation so bad.
(06:10):
And I'm sorry. You gotta be great for your entire career.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
And he was not.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
And he had games where he had seasons where he
was at okay at best. He had years where he
was a top three four quarterback in the NFL. He
had a couple of those years, maybe you want to
say three, but then his other three years of quote health,
you're not even close, right, His rookie year was just okay.
Twenty three touchdowns, eighteen picks. Yeah, they won the division. Great,
there was a big surprise, and Andrew Luck was a
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number one pick. But was that a great year?
Speaker 6 (06:38):
No?
Speaker 5 (06:38):
It was an okay year.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
It was it was it was. It was an okay year.
It was an average year. It was okay.
Speaker 5 (06:45):
It was not amazing an amazing year.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
No rookie quarterbacks, no you can't. You can't judge him
on that curve because rookie quarterbacks generally come in and stink. Right,
That's just the way it is.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
Now.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
You come in and play average. It doesn't mean you
played great. It means, oh, okay, you came in, you played okay, great.
I think more guys should be able to play well
when they come into the league. But Andrew Luck came in,
you know, one to one touchdown interception ratio.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
Yeah, I don't know that that's that great.
Speaker 4 (07:11):
It's an amazing We're ready to literally hand the entire
AFC to Trevor Lawrence because of one playoff win in
an awful division. Yet Andrew Luck leads the NFL, and
by the way, going into his third year, Andrew Luck
leads the NFL in passing touchdowns as a rooki. Yeah,
you know, I mean it was okay, it was fine,
just sayingly.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
The NFL in passing touchdowns as a rookie. He threw
the most touchdowns for a rookie.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
Oh he threw that. You didn't lead the NFL.
Speaker 4 (07:36):
Passing touchdown Oh I'm misreading. I apologize. So year three,
it was twenty fourteen, he led the NFL last year.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
You're Andy Pettitt. You're misremembering things. You're okay, right now,
you're misremembering that. But you know, but look, you know
that's a that's a pretty good comparison because Trevor Lawrence
is kind of Andrew Lue.
Speaker 3 (07:54):
He's enjoying the same type of image. And yeah, his
second year was way better than his first year.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
I mean, you go, you talk about going from twelve
touchdowns and seventeen picks to now, hey, we made the
playoffs and I went twenty five and eight and really
he picked it up from like Game five on. Okay,
but this if his career ended, now I'm not putting
him in the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 3 (08:12):
Well, he had a great year. No, it doesn't matter.
Just because you don't play a lot doesn't mean you
get to be in the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 4 (08:16):
If are you don't. How about if he this year
took it's tough. I mean, if he took the Jacks
the AFC Championship game through forty touchdown passes and then
at four more years, two of them were pretty good,
two of them were injury prone. I mean, he probably
you know, it's up for debate at that point. I
see what you're saying. I just think to me, I
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think what this ultimately comes down to, this entire debate,
is what do you value in a Hall of Famer?
To me, as I said prior to the break, and
I stand by this, is that I think we're letting
way too much okay into the Hall of Fame when
it's supposed to be about greatness. I do think that
for a very small stretch of his career, Andrew Luck
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was at I'm not gonna say he was as good
as ever. You know, he wasn't better than Brady. You know,
even whatever with the point up tryn to make is
he was elite. He was special, He was a difference maker.
He was one of the two or three handful of
best quarterbacks in the league for a very small window.
To me, I will take that over very good for
fifteen years. I don't care about very good. Hall of
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Fame are supposed to be the guys that you cannot
tell the story of football without. I don't know if
Andrew Luck is quite quite quite at that level, but
I think he kind of is, because even with the
shortened career, it's kind of like the what if you
look at again eighty to what is it, one hundred
and seventy one touchdown passes and basically to your point, Jason,
five full seasons that he's fully healthy, what could have
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been if you had a better offensive line, if he
stayed in the league, if the organization wasn't mismanaged. I
just think it's an interesting, fascinating, fascinating question, And to me,
he was one of the greats of his era. I
have no problem if he gets in the people.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
He overlapped with for the entirety of his career, for
the entire hired of his career, Drew Brees, Tom Brady,
Peyton Manning.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
Right, Yeah, and o Luck.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
I'm sorry, Aaron Rodgers, right, Eli Manning who won two
Super Bowls? Okay, Philip Rivers, these are all guys, Ben Roethlisbergerson, you're.
Speaker 5 (10:18):
Naming literally that some of the fifteen greatest quarterbacks.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
These are these are all?
Speaker 1 (10:23):
These are If these are the best quarterbacks of the
last fifteen years, and Andrew Luck is not as good as.
Speaker 3 (10:29):
Any of them, How can you say he's a Hall
of Famer.
Speaker 4 (10:31):
Nobody's gonna say, like, Oh, Anthony Davis played at the
same time as Lebron James, so he can't be a
Hall of Famer. You can both be Hall of famers.
If you're history, if you're if you're great.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
Well, it's it's more. You can't really compare the positions
in the NBA. It's like, where can you tell Can
you tell the story of the NBA without Anthony Davis?
Speaker 3 (10:49):
Probably?
Speaker 1 (10:50):
Yeah, campl championship you have. You can't all these other quarterbacks.
I just told you. You can't tell the story of
the NFL without You can't tell the story of the
NFL without Drew.
Speaker 3 (10:58):
Brees, Brady Peyton, Manning, Aaron Rodgers, Cam Newton.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
I'll even throw him there because of what he did
coming into the league, But I don't think he's a
Hall of Famer. Philip Rivers, Ben Roethlisberger, those guys, you can't.
You can't tell the story of the NFL without those
guys are not putting. I said, Philip Rivers. Did Jimmy
just say? I just said, Philip Rivers.
Speaker 4 (11:21):
I mean, you can't tell the hit the story of
the NFL without Cam Newton. I disagree with that.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
Cam Newton, the way he came into the league and
getting to a super Bowl, winning an MVP Uh, he
was a pretty big deal.
Speaker 3 (11:33):
He put it. He put a bigger impact on the
game than Andrew Luck did, that's for sure. He impacted
the game way more than.
Speaker 5 (11:39):
Any fumbled Super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
And yeah he fumbled and didn't and didn't dive on
it on purpose.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
That was a big deal.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
Yes, he did help there, but but I mean it's
and Andrew Luck is a player. He was really good
for some of the time, for half the time he
was in the league, and that that that's what does
it for me. Because if if you're if you if
he had this same type of his three best years
and that was his other three years of the league, right,
he had four fantastic years and two really good years,
(12:08):
I would say, Okay, that's the guy played. The guy
was forced out of the game. He couldn't play anymore.
The guy could have played, and he decided didn't want
to play football anymore.
Speaker 3 (12:15):
So okay, but.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
If he still if he had six years, four were
great and two were really really good. If he had
four years of between thirty five and forty touchdowns and
then two years of thirty touchdowns, yeah, okay, I could
tell you, okay, hall of famer, but he didn't trust.
Speaker 3 (12:30):
To have that.
Speaker 4 (12:31):
We were talking about this during at some point. I
think the fact that he willingly chose to walk away
and put his own health ahead of the sport is
being held against him, Like I think big time. I think,
if if God forbid, and I don't wish any injury
upon anybody, if he gets his knee torn up like
Joe Thaisman and he can never play another down, then
we revere him as, Oh, he was such a hero,
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and he was this and he never had the old line,
and think about all the injuries and the game was
taken from him, and I think we're having the conference
he should probably be a Hall of Favor because he
chose to leave on his own, that is being held
against him. I don't think it should be. Will it
be by Hall of Fame voters? I don't know, But like,
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this isn't a Supreme Court justice. There's no lifetime. You know,
you don't have to keep the job for a lifetime
if you want it. Not everybody has to play till
forty five if you're capable of it, like Tom Brady
and so I think that's part of the conversation too,
is like just because he actively chose to leave to
put his hell first with two young children, Like, I'm
not gonna hold that against him.
Speaker 3 (13:32):
So, yeah, but I can't give him credit for something
he didn't do.
Speaker 5 (13:35):
I got Jet.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
No, the Jets haven't done anything, and I give him.
Speaker 4 (13:39):
Would you be giving him credit for that he didn't.
Speaker 3 (13:41):
I can't.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
He walked away, he could have done even more. Well,
you gotta you gotta actually go do it. You can't
just say no. I can't just walk away. And if
I didn't, if I didn't have a job, tell the bank,
you know, from my house going Hey, I I could pay,
but I don't want to work anymore.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
So I'm not gonna pay in the rest of the house. No, No,
but you know us money for the house. No. Yeah,
but I.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
Really I you know, I don't want to do it anymore.
So I don't think you should have to send me
bills for it. I don't want to pay anymore. I
realize I'm getting kind of Peter Gibbons in office space.
I'm just not gonna come in anymore. So you're quitting. No,
I'm just not gonna come in. But I can't mad,
you know, Lumberg, I'm gonna have to go go ahead,
and leave and come back later. Okay, and now I
want to just push the whole window down like he did.
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I can't give him credit for what he didn't do.
Any player, I can't. It's charged me to give Terrell
Davis credit for what he didn't do. He wasn't able
to play. And in the NFL the number one thing, Well,
what do they always say? Your best ability is your
availability And if you have a great, great, great great career,
and you are, you are legit fantastic for like four
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or five years, and then you get hurt and leave
the game like Terrell Davis. Eh, I disagree, but I
could see it. But Andrew luck where, well, you didn't
really have the entire career. But just because you walked away,
then I can't do I can't give you, I can't
give you evidence of things not seen and say yes,
he would have done this well and he would have
been a great player, because his year after forty one
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touchdowns could have been a year like he had in
twenty eighteen or twenty two or twenty sixteen, where it
was fifteen touchdowns and twelve picks or twenty three touchdowns
and nine picks.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
He could have had one of those years following it,
and so I don't know. I can't. I can't do it.
Speaker 4 (15:15):
Hall of Famer, Hall of Famer in my book.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
Twitter At, how about a Fresca threads at the real
Jason s Aeron, torres At, Aaron Underscore Torres, Andrew Luck
hall of Famer. Yeah, this debate has been so much fun, man,
I'll tell you, thank you.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
That's pretty much fun.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
I completely disagree and think you are wrong, but this
has been a fun, fun debate.
Speaker 3 (15:33):
I appreciate it. H eight seven seven ninety nine on
Fox is the phone number? Coming up?
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The Jason Smith Show with my best friend Mike Harmon.
Aritaire is in for Harmon tonight, and we watched a
really entertaining home run Derby tonight. And let me just
say before we get into the Home Run Derby, the
big things take away from it. I really I know
that ESPN is like on this big we don't want
to have Chris Berman do anything anymore for whatever reason,
(17:15):
even though the guy built the ESPN with his hands,
you know, in the late seventies, eighties, nineties. But just
could we have one more time of him doing the
home run derby? I mean just because just so to
hear him yell.
Speaker 3 (17:26):
Back back back back for every.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
Single ball, like every single ball there was no and
that's another home run, and that's another one. He would
announce every single one. It was back back, back back,
go on and back back, God, and he would have
no voice at the end of it, and it would be.
Speaker 4 (17:43):
Edard's back back, back back, like crazy.
Speaker 3 (17:49):
For Flat Guerrero Senior, you know, in front of his son.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
I mean just I just I just why not, Like
he's made for that event and doing it.
Speaker 3 (17:58):
I wanted to hear him do the back back, back,
back back, and I would give a lot for.
Speaker 5 (18:01):
That, I mean halfway off, yeah, he'd find not.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
I mean, look, Carl Ravitch's does a great job and
they do a lot of greening going back, and it's
become a it's become a different type of event now
where they kind of talk around it when there's a
big home run. They mentioned it, but they're talking about
the guy's career and what's going on. But just don't
no matter what was going on for every single one
Bourbon what a not? Can you imagine him of Julio
(18:26):
Rodriguez when he hit forty one on runs in the
first he'd be.
Speaker 3 (18:29):
Done at a space DJ. I'm finished.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
I have I have no Are there any more landmarks
in Seattle that I haven't said?
Speaker 3 (18:37):
Is there is there a fish market? I haven't mentioned that.
That's where the ball got hit to. I did the
space needle, I did everything else. I don't know where
else I could say, What else do I have?
Speaker 1 (18:47):
I mean, that's that's really I mean, I there's a
lot I would give just to just to have him
do one more. I mean it, just just just do
one more of those where you can just hear him
and with absolutely no voice at the end.
Speaker 3 (18:58):
That'd be fantastical, me.
Speaker 4 (18:59):
Asking dumb question like why was he he? I don't
he still wants to do stuff, right, Like they they
took away Sunday Night Countdown and then or whatever it
was called the Sunday Night COUNTDWN I think it was called,
Like was it just one of those social media doesn't
like him, so NFL prime Time. Yeah, I don't why,
I said, Sunday Night Countdown, Like did they just take
(19:20):
it take him away because like they thought social media
said they didn't like him, So that it feels like
it was in that era where like social media had
way too much influence over the guys and girls that
got promoted and demoted on these major networks because everybody,
like I think most people love him, like he's a
little sticky. But as you said, Jason, he built ESPN.
(19:42):
He you know, I mean, generations of people grew up
with him again on NFL primetime home run derby calling
Major League Baseball games, NFL stuff like, I don't know,
it's just gods should still be working if he wants to.
Speaker 1 (19:57):
Yeah, look, I think what happen happened is this is
that you have for a couple of reasons. Is one is, yeah,
everybody got social media crazy where something would happen, He
would say something and executives would look online and go, oh,
look at this, Chris Burban is the top of what's
trending on Twitter because they're upset that he said whatever
it was, and so they had a knee jerk reaction to, oh,
(20:20):
we got to take them off. We can't have him
on to do anything anymore. And that's a really tough thing.
And the other part, and the other part is that
you have executives who come in and and I know
you look, I'll pull the curtain back a little bit.
Speaker 7 (20:32):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
You have executives who come in at a lot of
different places and they want to make their mark.
Speaker 3 (20:37):
Ye, and how do you make your mark?
Speaker 6 (20:39):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (20:39):
You got to find your way to do it. Otherwise,
why do you have this job. I'm gonna be the one.
We're going to be the ones that replace Chris Berman.
That's my job is to replace. Well, wait a minute,
the guy was the biggest star ESPN had, and suddenly
now he was no good right, we couldn't have him
on the air anymore.
Speaker 3 (20:54):
Really, And and that's a lot of what happened.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
Some of the people that have been running ESPN making
big decisions, some of the people that I was production
assistants with, you know, and I went the talent way
and they went to the the executive way. And I
kind of see this says, why would you do this
outside of Hey, I'm making this decision because anytime I
see an executive from ESPN that has a statement to
the media, I know, Hey, I'm important.
Speaker 3 (21:18):
These are people who think I'm really important.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
What I do, what I want to make sure people know,
like why is your name involved in anything?
Speaker 3 (21:24):
Given to the media.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
But I see I see the same people all the
time that are always the one Whenever ESPN has something
going on, same people are given quotes. Same people are saying, Oh,
we're gonna do this, We're gonna do this. Why why
are you saying this to the press. Why are you
not just having You're an executive, nobody knows who you are.
Why are you not just having ESPN put out a
a press release. You're making these decisions behind closed doors.
These are tough decisions that affect families different things. But
(21:46):
yet I see the same names out there all the time.
You're an executive, you want your name be a talent,
then go on TV, go to be a talent. But
these decisions are made for those couple of reasons. Now,
if it was and and here's the worst part for
Burman is that let's say Berman was around now and
every time he trended, it was because people couldn't believe
he said something, they would say, oh, look how great
(22:09):
that is. Sure, look how great that is. Look we
got people talking about us. Because every time somebody says
something on a debate show that people don't like, whether
it's Stephen A. Smith or Skip Bayless or Colin or
anybody or me or anybody, Hey what happens? Hey, people
talk about it on Twitter. You're ridiculous you think that,
and you know what, Hey, you're paying attention to what's
being said. So people are paying attention to Berman. So
this was where that didn't work in his favor. Where
(22:32):
if this was now for him, it would be much
different and they would say, oh, hey, we got a
guy here that even though people say they don't like him, boy,
he's really pop. People are paying attention to what he does.
So that was really the wrong time for him. As
far as social media came around to that's another part
of it.
Speaker 4 (22:46):
Well, it's funny a couple of things here. You know,
you mentioned the suits that want to feel important. We
might not get into it tonight, but you know, reading
the backstory on the quote unquote mid season tournament in
the NBA that was announced on Saturday, it is the
most confusing thing I have ever seen, and I bring
(23:06):
it up not to bring up that as a conversation,
but I said on my show on Saturday, I said,
this feels like twenty suits got together in a room
and every single one of them felt like they had
to contribute something to justify their high paying salary in
the NBA offices. And one guy's like, yeah, let's make
these games count for this, but not for that, and
let's make this for that. And like, if you read
(23:29):
how this tournament is set up, it is the most
confusing thing in the history. I can't even explain it.
So that's one and then two.
Speaker 3 (23:37):
Listen.
Speaker 4 (23:37):
Unfortunately, I have been part of those you know, kind
of layoffs and stuff like that Fox sports dot Com
many years ago, when a new boss comes in and
they want to leave their mark. I would just say,
there's a lot of sports parallels to it. It's like
when any new GM comes in, you know, a new
ad in college sports, they have to fire the football
coach and bringing their own guy. So it all makes sense,
(23:58):
but it was still stupid because Berman is an icon
and I do think to me and I know you
have a history oft ESPN, so I didn't mean to
put you in a spot where maybe you had to
say some stuff with that. Yeah, you know, I don't
know if you wanted to speak on it or not,
but I just feel like it feels like when he
got kind of phased out. Like I said, it was
the era where executives spent way too much time on
(24:18):
social media reacting to everything. Every tweet. This person's the greatest,
that person's the worst. Da da da da da, And
it felt like he was an unfortunate byproduct of it,
because every time that he's on air, I love listening
to him, And you're right, Tonight's the night more than
May you know's, there's whatever seventeen NFL Sundays that I
want to see him, but Tonight's the night that he
should be on air.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
Twitter and how about a Fresca Aaron and Aaron Underscore
torres Jason Smith at in for Mike Harmon tonight.
Speaker 3 (24:45):
I mean, just just have it back brack back.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
With no voice of the end back Bradcord another home
run by Philip Thomas.
Speaker 3 (24:53):
He now has eighteen. There are eleven people that are
going to compete after this.
Speaker 5 (24:58):
I don't know how I was Canada.
Speaker 3 (25:03):
He big hurt that ball all the way to Canada. Teacher.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
We have the biggest sports story of the day in
college football coming up in ninety seconds. But first, Moncy
Blagos has what's trending in the wide world of sports.
Speaker 8 (25:16):
Moncey, guys, Latimer Guerrero Junior hit a ton of home runs.
He is the twenty twenty three home run Derby champ,
winning the award sixteen years after his dad. Like father,
like son. But I do have a question for you, guys.
All right, you could star Aaron since I'm looking at you, Okay, yes,
I am look favorite superhero? Do you have one favorite superhero?
Speaker 4 (25:38):
Aquaman? When Vincent Chase played him, that's the only one
I could think of.
Speaker 3 (25:43):
He was he was James Cameron directed it.
Speaker 4 (25:45):
Yes, I'm rewatching that show right now so that.
Speaker 3 (25:49):
You know that. Denny the Queens Boulevard.
Speaker 4 (25:51):
Sure, yeah, I know Mediine It did not go well,
but no Mediine was spoiler spoiler spoiler spoils Manzie, Do
you have any idea what I'm talking about right now?
Speaker 3 (25:59):
Very little, very little.
Speaker 8 (26:01):
I'm not completely oblivious, but very litteral.
Speaker 4 (26:03):
It's a show called Entourage. Vinny Case is a movie
star and his breakout role was Aquaman, which set an
all time record box office record. They got mad gotcha?
I was happy they said an a box office record.
I just watched this episode like a month and a
half ago.
Speaker 3 (26:17):
I like how all excited they would always get where
they would mention Mediine. Whoa whoa Mediine? Median? Whoa whoa median? Whoa?
Speaker 4 (26:23):
So anyway, I ruined your whole.
Speaker 8 (26:24):
Bit, Monzi, No, you're good, Jason, favorite superhero?
Speaker 3 (26:28):
What do you filling? Got a dating app for me? Yes?
Speaker 4 (26:31):
Yes, I am Wolverine.
Speaker 8 (26:32):
Wolverine. Okay, uh, mister Frostburg, Indiana Jones, Indiana Jones, mister
p Fat Batman, Batman, Okay, all right.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
Well.
Speaker 8 (26:41):
Nick Castellanos of The Phillies has an opinion of who
his favorite superhero is.
Speaker 9 (26:47):
Everyone was asked their favorite superheroes. You said Scooby Doo. Sure,
I didn't realize Scooby Doo was a superhero. Can you
kind of explain his superhero lore?
Speaker 10 (26:56):
I mean, well, first off, he's a dog, right, and
he can talk okay, fair enough, okay, and he saves
he solves mysteries. So I think that a dog that
can talk and helps people by saving by solving mysteries.
I think is a superhero.
Speaker 9 (27:14):
Checks off all the superhero boxes as special skills, and
he helps people correct correct.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
Okay, listen, I'll tell you right now, we're gonna do
this college football story in a few minutes. When you finished,
we are doing this Scooby Doo superhero thing's.
Speaker 4 (27:28):
Too good to will still be fired in twenty minutes, Jason,
I think superhero Tooby.
Speaker 8 (27:35):
Also, when you need to look at the video, Christopher Fett,
you say you tweeted it. The video is so much
better because Castigiano's looks dead serious.
Speaker 4 (27:44):
He is not.
Speaker 5 (27:45):
You're playing like a couple.
Speaker 7 (27:47):
So a couple of years ago he did something like
this where he said today is Opening Day when it
wasn't Opening Day, and he's like, how do I not
know that it's Opening Day? How do you know where
that's not Opening Day? It's Opening Day?
Speaker 3 (27:58):
To me?
Speaker 8 (27:59):
Listen, he he He's a gem right now. For sure
in the NBA, we won't be seeing Victor I Banyama anymore.
The Spurs announce that they're shutting him down for the
rest of summer league. Blazer's GM Joe Cronan told the
media today that they're going to be patient when it
comes to Damian Lillard and if it takes months, then
it takes months. And an update on the Bachelorette just
in case you're wondering, Charity took her date out to
(28:22):
Petco Park. That's where they just spent their date with
the San Yeah, San Diego Padre is just them too,
must be a nice little date on a bachelorette.
Speaker 3 (28:31):
Wait wait, wait, they went to the ballpark and it.
Speaker 8 (28:32):
Was empty, or they went and they had a date
and it was empty, so it was just them too.
Speaker 1 (28:37):
So they were they sat there and watched nothing exactly,
so it's kind.
Speaker 5 (28:40):
Of like watching.
Speaker 3 (28:43):
So wait, were able to go get concessions or anything?
Speaker 8 (28:46):
Oh no, they had a nice dinner on center field
somewhere by themselves, and the guy did not seem to
know how to hit a ball. She was better at
hitting the ball than the guy.
Speaker 5 (28:55):
Wow.
Speaker 8 (28:56):
Okay, yes, no, I'm just I'm just saying, I'm just
reporting on the facts.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
Okay, you're justin.
Speaker 8 (29:04):
To you guys.
Speaker 4 (29:05):
Okay, no, no, no, keep it here, yes, keep it here.
Speaker 3 (29:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
Yeah, because this is Scooby Doo superhero is like the
new is a hot dog a sandwich?
Speaker 3 (29:13):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (29:13):
Is Andrew Luck the Hall of Famer debate, that's like
the new debate right here. Okay, Uh, Scooby Doo a superhero.
I would say he's a superhero because he is a
talking dog.
Speaker 3 (29:24):
I agree with that.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
God, I mean the dog the talks, So he has
that right away, even though even though he doesn't really
have the best diction and is still do you understand,
you still understand what he was saying enough, so it's okay,
it's just still a super And yeah, the solving mysteries
part is pretty cool. I mean, you'd be Daredevil's a
Superhero's got no powers. He just has heightened sense of of.
Speaker 3 (29:47):
Uh, what do you call? Black Widow has no superpowers?
Speaker 1 (29:50):
You know, she's just really you know, not that I
not that I'm talking bad about the Black Widow, but
I'm like, no, no, no, I go back to when
Elena to Jack. No, Elena told her in Black Widow,
I don't think, no, no, I don't think notice God
in Space has to take ibuprofen after saving the world.
Speaker 3 (30:08):
No, no, she doesn't have any power. She's a superhero.
So yeah, Scooby Do a dog that solves krimin, solves crimes.
Speaker 4 (30:13):
He's really wanted to say save lives multiple times in there.
Speaker 3 (30:17):
Oh yeah, sure, save I save well, saving crime saves lives.
Speaker 8 (30:21):
Yeah, I agree, solving crime saves crime or saves lives.
Speaker 1 (30:25):
But here's the other question. Are the other people in
Scooby Doo are they superheroes? Like is Fred and Thelma
and Daphne? Are they superheroes?
Speaker 4 (30:32):
Dude, Shaggy fair question.
Speaker 3 (30:34):
I mean I don't know.
Speaker 4 (30:35):
Those are the net superpower to be a superhero is
the question? Right? Well, it's like a person who just
saves lives and solves crimes. We call them a detective.
That's not a super that's not a superpower. That's just
being a human with a job.
Speaker 3 (30:50):
But again, he.
Speaker 1 (30:52):
Also talking dog is a superpower, that's what that's kind
of a superpower.
Speaker 3 (30:56):
Yeah, if he was just a regular dog.
Speaker 1 (30:57):
That helped solve crimes because he had a great sense
of smell or oh he's.
Speaker 3 (31:01):
Smelling the murderer. No, that's just a yeah, that's a bloodhound. Yeah,
we've seen him before, not a.
Speaker 4 (31:07):
See at the pet store today. Wasn't that big of
a deal.
Speaker 8 (31:10):
You just don't like any dog that's not your dog.
Speaker 4 (31:12):
No, I love Scooby Doo. He's a superhero. I think
he's a superhero. When when Castellanos explained it the way
that he did, I was like, yeah, that makes sense,
Like he said it so matter of factly, like you
were dumb for even questioning it that he sold me.
You know, it's like it's like they say, you know,
that's like an old sales trick, like if you say
anything definitive enough, like it comes off as like confidence
and you know what you're talking about. And the way
(31:34):
that he said it was just so confident that it's like, oh, yeah,
of course, yeah, well, yeah, I guess Scooby Doo is
a superhero. I hadn't really thought of it.
Speaker 3 (31:40):
All right, let me try, let me try. The Mets
are going to win the World Series.
Speaker 4 (31:44):
Still, so work more of a statement.
Speaker 3 (31:49):
Tours.
Speaker 4 (31:49):
Did you hear Mets? No, they're gonna But but then
I'd be like why, and you'd be like, you know,
justin Verlander, I mean, he's a career d pitcher, and
of course he's going to figure it out in of course,
Like if you had like four reasons and you made
me feel dumb, like if you were just like, the
Mets are gonna win the World Series and I'd be like,
come on, Jason, they're you know, they're terrible, and you'd
be like, Justin Verlander is the greatest club clutch pitcher
(32:11):
of all time. He's gonna be fine, we'll figure it out.
And then you just moved down to the next thing.
I'd be like, oh, you know, he has a point.
If they get in you know, Verlander and then sureser
that's crazy.
Speaker 3 (32:20):
So what if?
Speaker 1 (32:21):
What what if one of my points was well, they
have a talking dog who's gonna play for.
Speaker 4 (32:24):
Them air bud. Oh yeah, that's yeah, talk for him.
Speaker 3 (32:30):
Come on, throw it right in here. Bro bro bro
bro bro.
Speaker 5 (32:35):
Bro bro b Talking Dog, by the way, could hit
clean up for the Mats.
Speaker 3 (32:39):
I'm gonna tread, runs it run.
Speaker 4 (32:45):
It feels like one of those nineties movies like Rookie
of the Year, Like the kid just breaks his arm
and then he's essentially a superhero and saves the team.
That feels like a movie that could have just come
out in like nineteen ninety six. Oh yeah, the Talking
Dog joined the team midway through and the Mets won
the World Series And you didn't see that movie.
Speaker 3 (32:59):
What's remember when they signed the Talking Dog?
Speaker 1 (33:01):
Yeah, he had that great workout at petco Ah and
it comes off full circle right there.
Speaker 7 (33:07):
Economically, Spider Man is a Mets fan, so the question is,
why hasn't he helped the Mets win a world series?
Speaker 1 (33:12):
Oh well, Spider Man's he has the great sense that
tells him, oh, hey, a doom is coming and they
can't do anything about it. He just said, hey, Buck show, well,
Grand Slam's coming. Wait what you got to tell me
that sooner?
Speaker 3 (33:24):
Peter Parker, you gotta tell me that sooner. I don't
think it's supers helped the Mets.
Speaker 4 (33:29):
Do you need air bud that can talk?
Speaker 3 (33:32):
You know? You mean Jesus or the Jesus both?
Speaker 1 (33:35):
Well, well, if it was bowling, then the Jesus would help.
Speaker 3 (33:38):
But but it's not. But just Scooby Doo's talking dog.
Speaker 4 (33:42):
Superhero not even now that they explained it, I think
he's absolutely superhero. And the way that Castianos explains it, it
sounds like he has had this conversation.
Speaker 5 (33:53):
Yes, that's more.
Speaker 1 (33:54):
Than once in his life, Like I've had this conversation,
Like I've had fights, Yes, with my brother and my
cousin and my best friends.
Speaker 3 (34:02):
We had fist fights.
Speaker 1 (34:03):
Over this Scooby Doo be in a and my brother
would come home and go, hey, do me favor. Tell
my little brother that Scooby Doo is not a superhero.
Watch what he does, and then he starts running around
the house.
Speaker 3 (34:12):
Tear Scooby doos a superhero. Scooby doos a superhero. Percent
We're in Scooby Doo under rus, all excited about it. Eh,
Scooby Doo, Scooby Doo, Scooby do Ruse, Yeah, what are
you doing under you remember under roost Able we have
underwear that was made with school.
Speaker 10 (34:29):
No.
Speaker 1 (34:29):
I don't think I had Scooby Doo, but they had
Scooby do under rust. I never had under rus though
I was, I was never an under No, I wasn't
that guy.
Speaker 7 (34:37):
As there's a drive in a deep left field by Costiganos, Okay.
Speaker 3 (34:40):
Different, different, different Costa.
Speaker 1 (34:42):
We gotta move paths on other costeas is different as
not involving him, not involving I would always root for
the Scooby Doobies when in the uh in the Big
U Battle of Scooby Doobies and and the Yogi Yeah
Hui's and the and the really Rottens when they would
have that that that cartoon on Saturday mornings, they were
competing all these different events.
Speaker 3 (35:00):
I always rooted for the Scooby Doobies.
Speaker 5 (35:02):
You can't get enough of this now, I like, scrib.
Speaker 3 (35:06):
Are you kidding? Scooby do a superhero?
Speaker 1 (35:07):
This is This is the debate that America didn't know
they wanted, but.
Speaker 5 (35:11):
They absolutely But Jason, it wasn't up for de bait.
Cassis never left it up for debate.
Speaker 4 (35:15):
That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (35:15):
Is it enough? But just because you say something doesn't
mean you can't debate it. Of course can debate.
Speaker 4 (35:20):
Look at his face. Tell me if you think that
is up for.
Speaker 1 (35:24):
Dead set you disagree with me, and I am putting
your face through this wall. Turner it up out of Fresca,
Aaron and Aaron Underscore Turres coming up next. Yes, we'll
get into that huge football story promised a couple minutes ago.
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in from Mike Harmon tonight. And a really difficult story
has come to somewhat of an end as Northwestern has
fired head football coach Pat Fitzgerald amid claims of hazing.
Now there's claims of racism that could be out there.
(36:45):
That all occurred while he was Northwestern's head coach. He
was the most successful head coach in Northwestern history, won
one hundred and ten games. He had been there a
long time, was there as a player, and now is out.
This story's been going going on and developing over the
past few days and weeks where a former player who
(37:05):
was transferred brought out claims of hazing, widespread claims of
hazing within the football program. There were follow ups in
which Fitzgerald claimed to not know what was going on,
even though it seemed like these things that were happening
were going on in the Northwestern program. And today he
was fired as head coach and defensive coordator. David Braun
(37:29):
is expected to be named the Wildcats acting coach for now.
He was suspended without pay for two weeks following the
conclusion of the university commission investigation to allegations made by
this former Northwestern player. So, okay, they suspend him for
two weeks, and now the story doesn't go anywhere and
doesn't go away. I completely understand why they fired him.
(37:51):
I completely do because Northwestern is a school that number one,
are they an athletic school? Not really, They're in academics,
so one of the best academic schools in the country.
And how they saw this was all right, this story
is bad. Right, we thought we had taken care of it.
We kind of gave Pat Fitzgerald a chance by saying, okay,
(38:12):
we looked into this, you're suspended for two weeks. If
this story gets worse, I don't know that we can
keep doing this. And what happened, not only has the
story not gone away, the possibility of it getting worse
with more widespread claims of hazing and everything else going on.
Speaker 3 (38:29):
It's not going to get better.
Speaker 1 (38:31):
And Northwestern didn't want to sit back and have to
go through well, all of these things happening, but Fitzgerald
is still our coach. We're looking into other areas to
see where he stands. Can he still be our coach?
They didn't want to go through that. They didn't want
to go through every day of people saying how is
this guy still the coach? And Northwestern is in the
(38:51):
news for all the wrong reasons? How is Northwestern still
having this guy coach a football team when he's the
head coach and if hazing's going on, it's on his watch?
Speaker 5 (39:00):
Can I so?
Speaker 3 (39:01):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (39:01):
Sure, I was just gonna say, I'm just gonna finish
by saying, look, the question of is it going to
get better and the answer to that being no, Yeah,
that's when that's when you have to fire a guy.
I mean, I completely understand why. And the big statement
that was made was the university president, Michael Schill saying
(39:21):
the head coach is ultimately responsible for the culture of
his team. It was in widespread and clearly not a
secret within the program.
Speaker 3 (39:28):
That's it. I mean, you're done. They tried and it
didn't happen.
Speaker 4 (39:31):
So, first of all, this is great because we disagree
on everything today. So a couple of things. One, if
somebody asks, how can why are you still the coach
or how can you keep them, there's a very simple answer.
This person reported the behavior to our university. We immediately
hired an independent investigator to investigate the situation, and the
investigator found that the facts that were presented to us
(39:52):
were true, but that our coach would did not knowingly know.
And so to me, that's what you say going forward
is the coach didn't know. Should he have known?
Speaker 3 (40:01):
Maybe?
Speaker 4 (40:01):
But you know every time, you know, every time a
player gets in trouble, oh you know, I mean a coach,
he can't be with the player twenty four hours a day. Well,
like to me, I sit there and say, like, obviously
Pat Fitzgerald wishes he knew, But to me, like, like,
he's not there. There's only so much he can know.
As soon as anyone found out about it, it was
(40:23):
reported to the school. We have no proof right now
that he covered it up. I mean, I don't think
he deserves to be fired.
Speaker 3 (40:30):
Now.
Speaker 4 (40:31):
It's an interesting conversation of I think one year. Absolutely correct, Jason.
It's an academic school more than it is a football school.
And I hate to say it, but the guy hasn't
been winning. I mean, you know, coming off a one
and eleven season. The season before wasn't much better. Ironically,
the season before that they won the Big Ten West.
But I just bring it up to say, like, like
I do wonder if it was a different school, if
(40:52):
he had had a little bit more success in recent years.
But I don't think he deserves to be fired. I
really don't. Simply because they did an independent investigation, he
wasn't found responsible. And oh, by the way, as you said, Jason,
as of seventy two hours ago, the school deemed that
a short suspension was enough, and apparently they've changed their mind.
Speaker 1 (41:11):
I think we learned with Joe Paterno that a coach
can't just be hey, I am the head coach. I
am in charge of this entire program, and then it's oh,
I'm only the head coach. I don't know everything going
I'm only the head coach.
Speaker 3 (41:22):
But you can't.
Speaker 1 (41:23):
You can't play that. You can't play that, and Pat
Frizgerald can't play that.
Speaker 3 (41:26):
Well, I didn't know what.
Speaker 1 (41:27):
You didn't know anything the entire time, all the hazing happening.
You never knew anything about what was going on. Come on,
I find that hard to believe. But you know, hey,
we'll continue this debate. We'll have more on Pat Fitzgerald,
more on the big night in Major League Baseball, and
a big radical idea to make the home run Derby
even better. We'll have more on that coming up right here.
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(41:47):
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Speaker 3 (00:59):
I was speaking with an accent again.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
I'm glowed to key your car aarontaurus because you said
such as thinks about Curtis Martin.
Speaker 4 (01:07):
I just agreed with with Frostburg. I mean I don't
remember saying anything that controversial.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
You'd never want to agree with Frostburg. You don't want
that backs number one, that's a big.
Speaker 4 (01:16):
Mistake, Frostberg.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
You let him talk to you like that. That's a
big one.
Speaker 5 (01:19):
From my face, he said that to you.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
That's a big mistake.
Speaker 4 (01:22):
He told me that I should never listen to you.
Speaker 5 (01:25):
Yeah, he would never say.
Speaker 4 (01:26):
You're the backbone of this show. You keep the whole
thing on on the tracks.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
You said Curtis Martin is not a Hall of Famer
as we were debating Andrew luck who was definitely not
a Hall of Famer, that you think he's a Hall
of Famer.
Speaker 4 (01:39):
I think that Curtis Martin has the same number of
Super Bowl championships and also one more Pro Bowl in
literally like fifteen more years of playing time.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
Okay, let me just let know, Okay, for as many
rings as we do.
Speaker 5 (01:52):
Eric.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
Secondly, he had he ran for fourteen hundred yards in
nineteen ninety nine, somehow didn't make the Pro Bowl.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
That's not his fault.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
Thirteen one hundred yards in two thousand and three, didn't
make the Pro Bowl, that's.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
Not his fault.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
Has he played for the Jets, I mean, well, no,
and you do all this for the Jets. A sixteen
hundred yard season with the Jets is like a twenty
five hundred yard season with anybody else. You are overcoming
a lot with the Jets. You're overcoming me.
Speaker 4 (02:16):
Is that I'm actually not anti Curtis Martin. I'm just
pro Andrew Luck that that that's where we're getting it
confused here.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
No, but you, But but you did the wrong thing.
Well you you know, Curtis Martin is my favorite football
player of all time. And the fact that you said
that I am allowed to keep your car, actually I
actually want to.
Speaker 4 (02:33):
Andrew Luck was my favorite football player.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
But is he your favorite football player? No, he's not.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
But you insult You insulted Curtis Martin. I shook Curtis
Martin's hand for a good thirty second.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
Yeah, we met. It was so awkward at the.
Speaker 4 (02:46):
Super Bowl and the security broke it up.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
It was so awkward. I shook his hand for so
long you went back.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
It's like I shake your head a ghetto and shake
your head again.
Speaker 5 (02:59):
Extremely awf.
Speaker 4 (03:00):
Oh my goodness.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
I love Vinny Testaverdi. I love him. He's not Curtis Martin.
I mean Curtis.
Speaker 4 (03:09):
I mean, I was for the record stop and Andrew
Luck was the debate of him being a Hall of
Famer today.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
He had two fantastic years, he had a third year
that was really good, and then his other three years
were either average or below average, and then he was hurt.
So if he was great for all six years, I
would say, yeah, okay, I can see it, because the
guy was great for all six years, but only was
he not great? Uh, he was hurt and when he
was coming back, he decided I don't need to play anymore.
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So I'm sorry a guy that walked away. Do I
really feel the need to say this guy is a
Hall of Famer or to put him in when he's
done that? I mean, the guy went to one AFC
Championship game. At least Curtis Martin went to an AFC
championship game.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
Come on with the.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
Jets, I mean, come on, man, I mean, we're really
setting the bar low because Andrew Luck just has such
a great reputation.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
And that's a great reputation.
Speaker 4 (03:58):
Sure, I feel like everybody was out of their mind
every time he talked.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
Anytime you say something about Andrew Luck, you get you
get over the top, whether it's on social media, whatever,
I could understand. Fans just love the guy because he
never really said anything. He threw touchdowns when he was healthy.
He went to Stanford, he came in with a lot
of hype and he played pretty well, and it was
He's just one of those guys that everybody liked. He
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loved the captain Andrew Luck on Twitter. They love that
part of him too. He's the very few guys in
sports enjoy great reputations where when you take them on
at all, it is heresy. I can't believe he would
say that about that, and that person's the greatest person ever.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
No, No, they're not, really, No they're not. They're not.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
It's but that's the way it is, and it's players
like Andrew Luck. Steph Curry is another guy that enjoys
an unbelievable reputation. But when I say something like the
guy's a little overrated because he can't get his own
shot off the last two minutes of the game, he
can't win games. He's he's taken out of the game
in the last few minutes. That's why he's not as
great as everybody says. Oh, you can't believe he'd say
that about him. Look at what he doing. Yeah, when
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it comes time to the end of games, he can't
do anything because he's too small and he can't get
his beat. He doesn't set anything up, he doesn't set
passes off. He just can't do it. He's too small.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
I'm sorry.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
I can't do that, But players like that Patrick Mahomes,
another guy can't no matter what happens. And not that
I disagree on anything about Patrick Mahomes. The guy's the
best quarterback in the NFL the last fifteen years. But
certain players just enjoy that reputation, and other players can't
do anything right no matter what they do. It's all
but this this bet, like Lebron James, matter what the
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guy does, he could score forty with twenty rebounds and
tenn assists and the Lakers could win Game four the
NBA Championship one twenty to one oh five, and you
would get half the people in the country going why
did it take him so long?
Speaker 3 (05:46):
But they won in four.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
It doesn't matter. Somebody else different would have won in three.
They would have found a way to do it. How
did he not score fifty? I you only have forty?
Some players, no matter what they do, they can't they
can't get that hug from the fans and from the media.
And and that's guys like Lebron James, other players as well.
Then you have guys that, no matter what they do,
can't do any wrong, right, and and Andrew Luck is
one of those guys. Just enjoys that reputation so bad.
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And I'm sorry. You gotta be great for your entire career.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
And he was not.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
And he had games where he had seasons where he
was at okay at best. He had years where he
was a top three four quarterback in the NFL. He
had a couple of those years, maybe you want to
say three, but then his other three years of quote health,
you're not even close, right, His rookie year was just okay.
Twenty three touchdowns, eighteen picks. Yeah, they won the division. Great,
there was a big surprise, and Andrew Luck was a
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number one pick. But was that a great year?
Speaker 6 (06:38):
No?
Speaker 5 (06:38):
It was an okay year.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
It was it was it was. It was an okay year.
It was an average year. It was okay.
Speaker 5 (06:45):
It was not amazing an amazing year.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
No rookie quarterbacks, no you can't. You can't judge him
on that curve because rookie quarterbacks generally come in and stink. Right,
That's just the way it is.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
Now.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
You come in and play average. It doesn't mean you
played great. It means, oh, okay, you came in, you played okay, great.
I think more guys should be able to play well
when they come into the league. But Andrew Luck came in,
you know, one to one touchdown interception ratio.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
Yeah, I don't know that that's that great.
Speaker 4 (07:11):
It's an amazing We're ready to literally hand the entire
AFC to Trevor Lawrence because of one playoff win in
an awful division. Yet Andrew Luck leads the NFL, and
by the way, going into his third year, Andrew Luck
leads the NFL in passing touchdowns as a rooki. Yeah,
you know, I mean it was okay, it was fine,
just sayingly.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
The NFL in passing touchdowns as a rookie. He threw
the most touchdowns for a rookie.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
Oh he threw that. You didn't lead the NFL.
Speaker 4 (07:36):
Passing touchdown Oh I'm misreading. I apologize. So year three,
it was twenty fourteen, he led the NFL last year.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
You're Andy Pettitt. You're misremembering things. You're okay, right now,
you're misremembering that. But you know, but look, you know
that's a that's a pretty good comparison because Trevor Lawrence
is kind of Andrew Lue.
Speaker 3 (07:54):
He's enjoying the same type of image. And yeah, his
second year was way better than his first year.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
I mean, you go, you talk about going from twelve
touchdowns and seventeen picks to now, hey, we made the
playoffs and I went twenty five and eight and really
he picked it up from like Game five on. Okay,
but this if his career ended, now I'm not putting
him in the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 3 (08:12):
Well, he had a great year. No, it doesn't matter.
Just because you don't play a lot doesn't mean you
get to be in the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 4 (08:16):
If are you don't. How about if he this year
took it's tough. I mean, if he took the Jacks
the AFC Championship game through forty touchdown passes and then
at four more years, two of them were pretty good,
two of them were injury prone. I mean, he probably
you know, it's up for debate at that point. I
see what you're saying. I just think to me, I
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think what this ultimately comes down to, this entire debate,
is what do you value in a Hall of Famer?
To me, as I said prior to the break, and
I stand by this, is that I think we're letting
way too much okay into the Hall of Fame when
it's supposed to be about greatness. I do think that
for a very small stretch of his career, Andrew Luck
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was at I'm not gonna say he was as good
as ever. You know, he wasn't better than Brady. You know,
even whatever with the point up tryn to make is
he was elite. He was special, He was a difference maker.
He was one of the two or three handful of
best quarterbacks in the league for a very small window.
To me, I will take that over very good for
fifteen years. I don't care about very good. Hall of
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Fame are supposed to be the guys that you cannot
tell the story of football without. I don't know if
Andrew Luck is quite quite quite at that level, but
I think he kind of is, because even with the
shortened career, it's kind of like the what if you
look at again eighty to what is it, one hundred
and seventy one touchdown passes and basically to your point, Jason,
five full seasons that he's fully healthy, what could have
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been if you had a better offensive line, if he
stayed in the league, if the organization wasn't mismanaged. I
just think it's an interesting, fascinating, fascinating question, And to me,
he was one of the greats of his era. I
have no problem if he gets in the people.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
He overlapped with for the entirety of his career, for
the entire hired of his career, Drew Brees, Tom Brady,
Peyton Manning.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
Right, Yeah, and o Luck.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
I'm sorry, Aaron Rodgers, right, Eli Manning who won two
Super Bowls? Okay, Philip Rivers, these are all guys, Ben Roethlisbergerson, you're.
Speaker 5 (10:18):
Naming literally that some of the fifteen greatest quarterbacks.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
These are these are all?
Speaker 1 (10:23):
These are If these are the best quarterbacks of the
last fifteen years, and Andrew Luck is not as good as.
Speaker 3 (10:29):
Any of them, How can you say he's a Hall
of Famer.
Speaker 4 (10:31):
Nobody's gonna say, like, Oh, Anthony Davis played at the
same time as Lebron James, so he can't be a
Hall of Famer. You can both be Hall of famers.
If you're history, if you're if you're great.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
Well, it's it's more. You can't really compare the positions
in the NBA. It's like, where can you tell Can
you tell the story of the NBA without Anthony Davis?
Speaker 3 (10:49):
Probably?
Speaker 1 (10:50):
Yeah, campl championship you have. You can't all these other quarterbacks.
I just told you. You can't tell the story of
the NFL without You can't tell the story of the
NFL without Drew.
Speaker 3 (10:58):
Brees, Brady Peyton, Manning, Aaron Rodgers, Cam Newton.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
I'll even throw him there because of what he did
coming into the league, But I don't think he's a
Hall of Famer. Philip Rivers, Ben Roethlisberger, those guys, you can't.
You can't tell the story of the NFL without those
guys are not putting. I said, Philip Rivers. Did Jimmy
just say? I just said, Philip Rivers.
Speaker 4 (11:21):
I mean, you can't tell the hit the story of
the NFL without Cam Newton. I disagree with that.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
Cam Newton, the way he came into the league and
getting to a super Bowl, winning an MVP Uh, he
was a pretty big deal.
Speaker 3 (11:33):
He put it. He put a bigger impact on the
game than Andrew Luck did, that's for sure. He impacted
the game way more than.
Speaker 5 (11:39):
Any fumbled Super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
And yeah he fumbled and didn't and didn't dive on
it on purpose.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
That was a big deal.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
Yes, he did help there, but but I mean it's
and Andrew Luck is a player. He was really good
for some of the time, for half the time he
was in the league, and that that that's what does
it for me. Because if if you're if you if
he had this same type of his three best years
and that was his other three years of the league, right,
he had four fantastic years and two really good years,
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I would say, Okay, that's the guy played. The guy
was forced out of the game. He couldn't play anymore.
The guy could have played, and he decided didn't want
to play football anymore.
Speaker 3 (12:15):
So okay, but.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
If he still if he had six years, four were
great and two were really really good. If he had
four years of between thirty five and forty touchdowns and
then two years of thirty touchdowns, yeah, okay, I could
tell you, okay, hall of famer, but he didn't trust.
Speaker 3 (12:30):
To have that.
Speaker 4 (12:31):
We were talking about this during at some point. I
think the fact that he willingly chose to walk away
and put his own health ahead of the sport is
being held against him, Like I think big time. I think,
if if God forbid, and I don't wish any injury
upon anybody, if he gets his knee torn up like
Joe Thaisman and he can never play another down, then
we revere him as, Oh, he was such a hero,
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and he was this and he never had the old line,
and think about all the injuries and the game was
taken from him, and I think we're having the conference
he should probably be a Hall of Favor because he
chose to leave on his own, that is being held
against him. I don't think it should be. Will it
be by Hall of Fame voters? I don't know, But like,
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this isn't a Supreme Court justice. There's no lifetime. You know,
you don't have to keep the job for a lifetime
if you want it. Not everybody has to play till
forty five if you're capable of it, like Tom Brady
and so I think that's part of the conversation too,
is like just because he actively chose to leave to
put his hell first with two young children, Like, I'm
not gonna hold that against him.
Speaker 3 (13:32):
So, yeah, but I can't give him credit for something
he didn't do.
Speaker 5 (13:35):
I got Jet.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
No, the Jets haven't done anything, and I give him.
Speaker 4 (13:39):
Would you be giving him credit for that he didn't.
Speaker 3 (13:41):
I can't.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
He walked away, he could have done even more. Well,
you gotta you gotta actually go do it. You can't
just say no. I can't just walk away. And if
I didn't, if I didn't have a job, tell the bank,
you know, from my house going Hey, I I could pay,
but I don't want to work anymore.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
So I'm not gonna pay in the rest of the house. No, No,
but you know us money for the house. No. Yeah,
but I.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
Really I you know, I don't want to do it anymore.
So I don't think you should have to send me
bills for it. I don't want to pay anymore. I
realize I'm getting kind of Peter Gibbons in office space.
I'm just not gonna come in anymore. So you're quitting. No,
I'm just not gonna come in. But I can't mad,
you know, Lumberg, I'm gonna have to go go ahead,
and leave and come back later. Okay, and now I
want to just push the whole window down like he did.
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I can't give him credit for what he didn't do.
Any player, I can't. It's charged me to give Terrell
Davis credit for what he didn't do. He wasn't able
to play. And in the NFL the number one thing, Well,
what do they always say? Your best ability is your
availability And if you have a great, great, great great career,
and you are, you are legit fantastic for like four
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or five years, and then you get hurt and leave
the game like Terrell Davis. Eh, I disagree, but I
could see it. But Andrew luck where, well, you didn't
really have the entire career. But just because you walked away,
then I can't do I can't give you, I can't
give you evidence of things not seen and say yes,
he would have done this well and he would have
been a great player, because his year after forty one
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touchdowns could have been a year like he had in
twenty eighteen or twenty two or twenty sixteen, where it
was fifteen touchdowns and twelve picks or twenty three touchdowns
and nine picks.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
He could have had one of those years following it,
and so I don't know. I can't. I can't do it.
Speaker 4 (15:15):
Hall of Famer, Hall of Famer in my book.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
Twitter At, how about a Fresca threads at the real
Jason s Aeron, torres At, Aaron Underscore Torres, Andrew Luck
hall of Famer. Yeah, this debate has been so much fun, man,
I'll tell you, thank you.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
That's pretty much fun.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
I completely disagree and think you are wrong, but this
has been a fun, fun debate.
Speaker 3 (15:33):
I appreciate it. H eight seven seven ninety nine on
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Aritaire is in for Harmon tonight, and we watched a
really entertaining home run Derby tonight. And let me just
say before we get into the Home Run Derby, the
big things take away from it. I really I know
that ESPN is like on this big we don't want
to have Chris Berman do anything anymore for whatever reason,
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even though the guy built the ESPN with his hands,
you know, in the late seventies, eighties, nineties. But just
could we have one more time of him doing the
home run derby? I mean just because just so to
hear him yell.
Speaker 3 (17:26):
Back back back back for every.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
Single ball, like every single ball there was no and
that's another home run, and that's another one. He would
announce every single one. It was back back, back back,
go on and back back, God, and he would have
no voice at the end of it, and it would be.
Speaker 4 (17:43):
Edard's back back, back back, like crazy.
Speaker 3 (17:49):
For Flat Guerrero Senior, you know, in front of his son.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
I mean just I just I just why not, Like
he's made for that event and doing it.
Speaker 3 (17:58):
I wanted to hear him do the back back, back,
back back, and I would give a lot for.
Speaker 5 (18:01):
That, I mean halfway off, yeah, he'd find not.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
I mean, look, Carl Ravitch's does a great job and
they do a lot of greening going back, and it's
become a it's become a different type of event now
where they kind of talk around it when there's a
big home run. They mentioned it, but they're talking about
the guy's career and what's going on. But just don't
no matter what was going on for every single one
Bourbon what a not? Can you imagine him of Julio
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Rodriguez when he hit forty one on runs in the
first he'd be.
Speaker 3 (18:29):
Done at a space DJ. I'm finished.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
I have I have no Are there any more landmarks
in Seattle that I haven't said?
Speaker 3 (18:37):
Is there is there a fish market? I haven't mentioned that.
That's where the ball got hit to. I did the
space needle, I did everything else. I don't know where
else I could say, What else do I have?
Speaker 1 (18:47):
I mean, that's that's really I mean, I there's a
lot I would give just to just to have him
do one more. I mean it, just just just do
one more of those where you can just hear him
and with absolutely no voice at the end.
Speaker 3 (18:58):
That'd be fantastical, me.
Speaker 4 (18:59):
Asking dumb question like why was he he? I don't
he still wants to do stuff, right, Like they they
took away Sunday Night Countdown and then or whatever it
was called the Sunday Night COUNTDWN I think it was called,
Like was it just one of those social media doesn't
like him, so NFL prime Time. Yeah, I don't why,
I said, Sunday Night Countdown, Like did they just take
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it take him away because like they thought social media
said they didn't like him, So that it feels like
it was in that era where like social media had
way too much influence over the guys and girls that
got promoted and demoted on these major networks because everybody,
like I think most people love him, like he's a
little sticky. But as you said, Jason, he built ESPN.
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He you know, I mean, generations of people grew up
with him again on NFL primetime home run derby calling
Major League Baseball games, NFL stuff like, I don't know,
it's just gods should still be working if he wants to.
Speaker 1 (19:57):
Yeah, look, I think what happen happened is this is
that you have for a couple of reasons. Is one is, yeah,
everybody got social media crazy where something would happen, He
would say something and executives would look online and go, oh,
look at this, Chris Burban is the top of what's
trending on Twitter because they're upset that he said whatever
it was, and so they had a knee jerk reaction to, oh,
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we got to take them off. We can't have him
on to do anything anymore. And that's a really tough thing.
And the other part, and the other part is that
you have executives who come in and and I know
you look, I'll pull the curtain back a little bit.
Speaker 7 (20:32):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
You have executives who come in at a lot of
different places and they want to make their mark.
Speaker 3 (20:37):
Ye, and how do you make your mark?
Speaker 6 (20:39):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (20:39):
You got to find your way to do it. Otherwise,
why do you have this job. I'm gonna be the one.
We're going to be the ones that replace Chris Berman.
That's my job is to replace. Well, wait a minute,
the guy was the biggest star ESPN had, and suddenly
now he was no good right, we couldn't have him
on the air anymore.
Speaker 3 (20:54):
Really, And and that's a lot of what happened.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
Some of the people that have been running ESPN making
big decisions, some of the people that I was production
assistants with, you know, and I went the talent way
and they went to the the executive way. And I
kind of see this says, why would you do this
outside of Hey, I'm making this decision because anytime I
see an executive from ESPN that has a statement to
the media, I know, Hey, I'm important.
Speaker 3 (21:18):
These are people who think I'm really important.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
What I do, what I want to make sure people know,
like why is your name involved in anything?
Speaker 3 (21:24):
Given to the media.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
But I see I see the same people all the
time that are always the one Whenever ESPN has something
going on, same people are given quotes. Same people are saying, Oh,
we're gonna do this, We're gonna do this. Why why
are you saying this to the press. Why are you
not just having You're an executive, nobody knows who you are.
Why are you not just having ESPN put out a
a press release. You're making these decisions behind closed doors.
These are tough decisions that affect families different things. But
(21:46):
yet I see the same names out there all the time.
You're an executive, you want your name be a talent,
then go on TV, go to be a talent. But
these decisions are made for those couple of reasons. Now,
if it was and and here's the worst part for
Burman is that let's say Berman was around now and
every time he trended, it was because people couldn't believe
he said something, they would say, oh, look how great
(22:09):
that is. Sure, look how great that is. Look we
got people talking about us. Because every time somebody says
something on a debate show that people don't like, whether
it's Stephen A. Smith or Skip Bayless or Colin or
anybody or me or anybody, Hey what happens? Hey, people
talk about it on Twitter. You're ridiculous you think that,
and you know what, Hey, you're paying attention to what's
being said. So people are paying attention to Berman. So
this was where that didn't work in his favor. Where
(22:32):
if this was now for him, it would be much
different and they would say, oh, hey, we got a
guy here that even though people say they don't like him, boy,
he's really pop. People are paying attention to what he does.
So that was really the wrong time for him. As
far as social media came around to that's another part
of it.
Speaker 4 (22:46):
Well, it's funny a couple of things here. You know,
you mentioned the suits that want to feel important. We
might not get into it tonight, but you know, reading
the backstory on the quote unquote mid season tournament in
the NBA that was announced on Saturday, it is the
most confusing thing I have ever seen, and I bring
(23:06):
it up not to bring up that as a conversation,
but I said on my show on Saturday, I said,
this feels like twenty suits got together in a room
and every single one of them felt like they had
to contribute something to justify their high paying salary in
the NBA offices. And one guy's like, yeah, let's make
these games count for this, but not for that, and
let's make this for that. And like, if you read
(23:29):
how this tournament is set up, it is the most
confusing thing in the history. I can't even explain it.
So that's one and then two.
Speaker 3 (23:37):
Listen.
Speaker 4 (23:37):
Unfortunately, I have been part of those you know, kind
of layoffs and stuff like that Fox sports dot Com
many years ago, when a new boss comes in and
they want to leave their mark. I would just say,
there's a lot of sports parallels to it. It's like
when any new GM comes in, you know, a new
ad in college sports, they have to fire the football
coach and bringing their own guy. So it all makes sense,
(23:58):
but it was still stupid because Berman is an icon
and I do think to me and I know you
have a history oft ESPN, so I didn't mean to
put you in a spot where maybe you had to
say some stuff with that. Yeah, you know, I don't
know if you wanted to speak on it or not,
but I just feel like it feels like when he
got kind of phased out. Like I said, it was
the era where executives spent way too much time on
(24:18):
social media reacting to everything. Every tweet. This person's the greatest,
that person's the worst. Da da da da da, And
it felt like he was an unfortunate byproduct of it,
because every time that he's on air, I love listening
to him, And you're right, Tonight's the night more than
May you know's, there's whatever seventeen NFL Sundays that I
want to see him, but Tonight's the night that he
should be on air.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
Twitter and how about a Fresca Aaron and Aaron Underscore
torres Jason Smith at in for Mike Harmon tonight.
Speaker 3 (24:45):
I mean, just just have it back brack back.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
With no voice of the end back Bradcord another home
run by Philip Thomas.
Speaker 3 (24:53):
He now has eighteen. There are eleven people that are
going to compete after this.
Speaker 5 (24:58):
I don't know how I was Canada.
Speaker 3 (25:03):
He big hurt that ball all the way to Canada. Teacher.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
We have the biggest sports story of the day in
college football coming up in ninety seconds. But first, Moncy
Blagos has what's trending in the wide world of sports.
Speaker 8 (25:16):
Moncey, guys, Latimer Guerrero Junior hit a ton of home runs.
He is the twenty twenty three home run Derby champ,
winning the award sixteen years after his dad. Like father,
like son. But I do have a question for you, guys.
All right, you could star Aaron since I'm looking at you, Okay, yes,
I am look favorite superhero? Do you have one favorite superhero?
Speaker 4 (25:38):
Aquaman? When Vincent Chase played him, that's the only one
I could think of.
Speaker 3 (25:43):
He was he was James Cameron directed it.
Speaker 4 (25:45):
Yes, I'm rewatching that show right now so that.
Speaker 3 (25:49):
You know that. Denny the Queens Boulevard.
Speaker 4 (25:51):
Sure, yeah, I know Mediine It did not go well,
but no Mediine was spoiler spoiler spoiler spoils Manzie, Do
you have any idea what I'm talking about right now?
Speaker 3 (25:59):
Very little, very little.
Speaker 8 (26:01):
I'm not completely oblivious, but very litteral.
Speaker 4 (26:03):
It's a show called Entourage. Vinny Case is a movie
star and his breakout role was Aquaman, which set an
all time record box office record. They got mad gotcha?
I was happy they said an a box office record.
I just watched this episode like a month and a
half ago.
Speaker 3 (26:17):
I like how all excited they would always get where
they would mention Mediine. Whoa whoa Mediine? Median? Whoa whoa median? Whoa?
Speaker 4 (26:23):
So anyway, I ruined your whole.
Speaker 8 (26:24):
Bit, Monzi, No, you're good, Jason, favorite superhero?
Speaker 3 (26:28):
What do you filling? Got a dating app for me? Yes?
Speaker 4 (26:31):
Yes, I am Wolverine.
Speaker 8 (26:32):
Wolverine. Okay, uh, mister Frostburg, Indiana Jones, Indiana Jones, mister
p Fat Batman, Batman, Okay, all right.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
Well.
Speaker 8 (26:41):
Nick Castellanos of The Phillies has an opinion of who
his favorite superhero is.
Speaker 9 (26:47):
Everyone was asked their favorite superheroes. You said Scooby Doo. Sure,
I didn't realize Scooby Doo was a superhero. Can you
kind of explain his superhero lore?
Speaker 10 (26:56):
I mean, well, first off, he's a dog, right, and
he can talk okay, fair enough, okay, and he saves
he solves mysteries. So I think that a dog that
can talk and helps people by saving by solving mysteries.
I think is a superhero.
Speaker 9 (27:14):
Checks off all the superhero boxes as special skills, and
he helps people correct correct.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
Okay, listen, I'll tell you right now, we're gonna do
this college football story in a few minutes. When you finished,
we are doing this Scooby Doo superhero thing's.
Speaker 4 (27:28):
Too good to will still be fired in twenty minutes, Jason,
I think superhero Tooby.
Speaker 8 (27:35):
Also, when you need to look at the video, Christopher Fett,
you say you tweeted it. The video is so much
better because Castigiano's looks dead serious.
Speaker 4 (27:44):
He is not.
Speaker 5 (27:45):
You're playing like a couple.
Speaker 7 (27:47):
So a couple of years ago he did something like
this where he said today is Opening Day when it
wasn't Opening Day, and he's like, how do I not
know that it's Opening Day? How do you know where
that's not Opening Day? It's Opening Day?
Speaker 3 (27:58):
To me?
Speaker 8 (27:59):
Listen, he he He's a gem right now. For sure
in the NBA, we won't be seeing Victor I Banyama anymore.
The Spurs announce that they're shutting him down for the
rest of summer league. Blazer's GM Joe Cronan told the
media today that they're going to be patient when it
comes to Damian Lillard and if it takes months, then
it takes months. And an update on the Bachelorette just
in case you're wondering, Charity took her date out to
(28:22):
Petco Park. That's where they just spent their date with
the San Yeah, San Diego Padre is just them too,
must be a nice little date on a bachelorette.
Speaker 3 (28:31):
Wait wait, wait, they went to the ballpark and it.
Speaker 8 (28:32):
Was empty, or they went and they had a date
and it was empty, so it was just them too.
Speaker 1 (28:37):
So they were they sat there and watched nothing exactly,
so it's kind.
Speaker 5 (28:40):
Of like watching.
Speaker 3 (28:43):
So wait, were able to go get concessions or anything?
Speaker 8 (28:46):
Oh no, they had a nice dinner on center field
somewhere by themselves, and the guy did not seem to
know how to hit a ball. She was better at
hitting the ball than the guy.
Speaker 5 (28:55):
Wow.
Speaker 8 (28:56):
Okay, yes, no, I'm just I'm just saying, I'm just
reporting on the facts.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
Okay, you're justin.
Speaker 8 (29:04):
To you guys.
Speaker 4 (29:05):
Okay, no, no, no, keep it here, yes, keep it here.
Speaker 3 (29:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
Yeah, because this is Scooby Doo superhero is like the
new is a hot dog a sandwich?
Speaker 3 (29:13):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (29:13):
Is Andrew Luck the Hall of Famer debate, that's like
the new debate right here. Okay, Uh, Scooby Doo a superhero.
I would say he's a superhero because he is a
talking dog.
Speaker 3 (29:24):
I agree with that.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
God, I mean the dog the talks, So he has
that right away, even though even though he doesn't really
have the best diction and is still do you understand,
you still understand what he was saying enough, so it's okay,
it's just still a super And yeah, the solving mysteries
part is pretty cool. I mean, you'd be Daredevil's a
Superhero's got no powers. He just has heightened sense of of.
Speaker 3 (29:47):
Uh, what do you call? Black Widow has no superpowers?
Speaker 1 (29:50):
You know, she's just really you know, not that I
not that I'm talking bad about the Black Widow, but
I'm like, no, no, no, I go back to when
Elena to Jack. No, Elena told her in Black Widow,
I don't think, no, no, I don't think notice God
in Space has to take ibuprofen after saving the world.
Speaker 3 (30:08):
No, no, she doesn't have any power. She's a superhero.
So yeah, Scooby Do a dog that solves krimin, solves crimes.
Speaker 4 (30:13):
He's really wanted to say save lives multiple times in there.
Speaker 3 (30:17):
Oh yeah, sure, save I save well, saving crime saves lives.
Speaker 8 (30:21):
Yeah, I agree, solving crime saves crime or saves lives.
Speaker 1 (30:25):
But here's the other question. Are the other people in
Scooby Doo are they superheroes? Like is Fred and Thelma
and Daphne? Are they superheroes?
Speaker 4 (30:32):
Dude, Shaggy fair question.
Speaker 3 (30:34):
I mean I don't know.
Speaker 4 (30:35):
Those are the net superpower to be a superhero is
the question? Right? Well, it's like a person who just
saves lives and solves crimes. We call them a detective.
That's not a super that's not a superpower. That's just
being a human with a job.
Speaker 3 (30:50):
But again, he.
Speaker 1 (30:52):
Also talking dog is a superpower, that's what that's kind
of a superpower.
Speaker 3 (30:56):
Yeah, if he was just a regular dog.
Speaker 1 (30:57):
That helped solve crimes because he had a great sense
of smell or oh he's.
Speaker 3 (31:01):
Smelling the murderer. No, that's just a yeah, that's a bloodhound. Yeah,
we've seen him before, not a.
Speaker 4 (31:07):
See at the pet store today. Wasn't that big of
a deal.
Speaker 8 (31:10):
You just don't like any dog that's not your dog.
Speaker 4 (31:12):
No, I love Scooby Doo. He's a superhero. I think
he's a superhero. When when Castellanos explained it the way
that he did, I was like, yeah, that makes sense,
Like he said it so matter of factly, like you
were dumb for even questioning it that he sold me.
You know, it's like it's like they say, you know,
that's like an old sales trick, like if you say
anything definitive enough, like it comes off as like confidence
and you know what you're talking about. And the way
(31:34):
that he said it was just so confident that it's like, oh, yeah,
of course, yeah, well, yeah, I guess Scooby Doo is
a superhero. I hadn't really thought of it.
Speaker 3 (31:40):
All right, let me try, let me try. The Mets
are going to win the World Series.
Speaker 4 (31:44):
Still, so work more of a statement.
Speaker 3 (31:49):
Tours.
Speaker 4 (31:49):
Did you hear Mets? No, they're gonna But but then
I'd be like why, and you'd be like, you know,
justin Verlander, I mean, he's a career d pitcher, and
of course he's going to figure it out in of course,
Like if you had like four reasons and you made
me feel dumb, like if you were just like, the
Mets are gonna win the World Series and I'd be like,
come on, Jason, they're you know, they're terrible, and you'd
be like, Justin Verlander is the greatest club clutch pitcher
(32:11):
of all time. He's gonna be fine, we'll figure it out.
And then you just moved down to the next thing.
I'd be like, oh, you know, he has a point.
If they get in you know, Verlander and then sureser
that's crazy.
Speaker 3 (32:20):
So what if?
Speaker 1 (32:21):
What what if one of my points was well, they
have a talking dog who's gonna play for.
Speaker 4 (32:24):
Them air bud. Oh yeah, that's yeah, talk for him.
Speaker 3 (32:30):
Come on, throw it right in here. Bro bro bro
bro bro.
Speaker 5 (32:35):
Bro bro b Talking Dog, by the way, could hit
clean up for the Mats.
Speaker 3 (32:39):
I'm gonna tread, runs it run.
Speaker 4 (32:45):
It feels like one of those nineties movies like Rookie
of the Year, Like the kid just breaks his arm
and then he's essentially a superhero and saves the team.
That feels like a movie that could have just come
out in like nineteen ninety six. Oh yeah, the Talking
Dog joined the team midway through and the Mets won
the World Series And you didn't see that movie.
Speaker 3 (32:59):
What's remember when they signed the Talking Dog?
Speaker 1 (33:01):
Yeah, he had that great workout at petco Ah and
it comes off full circle right there.
Speaker 7 (33:07):
Economically, Spider Man is a Mets fan, so the question is,
why hasn't he helped the Mets win a world series?
Speaker 1 (33:12):
Oh well, Spider Man's he has the great sense that
tells him, oh, hey, a doom is coming and they
can't do anything about it. He just said, hey, Buck show, well,
Grand Slam's coming. Wait what you got to tell me
that sooner?
Speaker 3 (33:24):
Peter Parker, you gotta tell me that sooner. I don't
think it's supers helped the Mets.
Speaker 4 (33:29):
Do you need air bud that can talk?
Speaker 3 (33:32):
You know? You mean Jesus or the Jesus both?
Speaker 1 (33:35):
Well, well, if it was bowling, then the Jesus would help.
Speaker 3 (33:38):
But but it's not. But just Scooby Doo's talking dog.
Speaker 4 (33:42):
Superhero not even now that they explained it, I think
he's absolutely superhero. And the way that Castianos explains it, it
sounds like he has had this conversation.
Speaker 5 (33:53):
Yes, that's more.
Speaker 1 (33:54):
Than once in his life, Like I've had this conversation,
Like I've had fights, Yes, with my brother and my
cousin and my best friends.
Speaker 3 (34:02):
We had fist fights.
Speaker 1 (34:03):
Over this Scooby Doo be in a and my brother
would come home and go, hey, do me favor. Tell
my little brother that Scooby Doo is not a superhero.
Watch what he does, and then he starts running around
the house.
Speaker 3 (34:12):
Tear Scooby doos a superhero. Scooby doos a superhero. Percent
We're in Scooby Doo under rus, all excited about it. Eh,
Scooby Doo, Scooby Doo, Scooby do Ruse, Yeah, what are
you doing under you remember under roost Able we have
underwear that was made with school.
Speaker 10 (34:29):
No.
Speaker 1 (34:29):
I don't think I had Scooby Doo, but they had
Scooby do under rust. I never had under rus though
I was, I was never an under No, I wasn't
that guy.
Speaker 7 (34:37):
As there's a drive in a deep left field by Costiganos, Okay.
Speaker 3 (34:40):
Different, different, different Costa.
Speaker 1 (34:42):
We gotta move paths on other costeas is different as
not involving him, not involving I would always root for
the Scooby Doobies when in the uh in the Big
U Battle of Scooby Doobies and and the Yogi Yeah
Hui's and the and the really Rottens when they would
have that that that cartoon on Saturday mornings, they were
competing all these different events.
Speaker 3 (35:00):
I always rooted for the Scooby Doobies.
Speaker 5 (35:02):
You can't get enough of this now, I like, scrib.
Speaker 3 (35:06):
Are you kidding? Scooby do a superhero?
Speaker 1 (35:07):
This is This is the debate that America didn't know
they wanted, but.
Speaker 5 (35:11):
They absolutely But Jason, it wasn't up for de bait.
Cassis never left it up for debate.
Speaker 4 (35:15):
That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (35:15):
Is it enough? But just because you say something doesn't
mean you can't debate it. Of course can debate.
Speaker 4 (35:20):
Look at his face. Tell me if you think that
is up for.
Speaker 1 (35:24):
Dead set you disagree with me, and I am putting
your face through this wall. Turner it up out of Fresca,
Aaron and Aaron Underscore Turres coming up next. Yes, we'll
get into that huge football story promised a couple minutes ago.
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in from Mike Harmon tonight. And a really difficult story
has come to somewhat of an end as Northwestern has
fired head football coach Pat Fitzgerald amid claims of hazing.
Now there's claims of racism that could be out there.
(36:45):
That all occurred while he was Northwestern's head coach. He
was the most successful head coach in Northwestern history, won
one hundred and ten games. He had been there a
long time, was there as a player, and now is out.
This story's been going going on and developing over the
past few days and weeks where a former player who
(37:05):
was transferred brought out claims of hazing, widespread claims of
hazing within the football program. There were follow ups in
which Fitzgerald claimed to not know what was going on,
even though it seemed like these things that were happening
were going on in the Northwestern program. And today he
was fired as head coach and defensive coordator. David Braun
(37:29):
is expected to be named the Wildcats acting coach for now.
He was suspended without pay for two weeks following the
conclusion of the university commission investigation to allegations made by
this former Northwestern player. So, okay, they suspend him for
two weeks, and now the story doesn't go anywhere and
doesn't go away. I completely understand why they fired him.
(37:51):
I completely do because Northwestern is a school that number one,
are they an athletic school? Not really, They're in academics,
so one of the best academic schools in the country.
And how they saw this was all right, this story
is bad. Right, we thought we had taken care of it.
We kind of gave Pat Fitzgerald a chance by saying, okay,
(38:12):
we looked into this, you're suspended for two weeks. If
this story gets worse, I don't know that we can
keep doing this. And what happened, not only has the
story not gone away, the possibility of it getting worse
with more widespread claims of hazing and everything else going on.
Speaker 3 (38:29):
It's not going to get better.
Speaker 1 (38:31):
And Northwestern didn't want to sit back and have to
go through well, all of these things happening, but Fitzgerald
is still our coach. We're looking into other areas to
see where he stands. Can he still be our coach?
They didn't want to go through that. They didn't want
to go through every day of people saying how is
this guy still the coach? And Northwestern is in the
(38:51):
news for all the wrong reasons? How is Northwestern still
having this guy coach a football team when he's the
head coach and if hazing's going on, it's on his watch?
Speaker 5 (39:00):
Can I so?
Speaker 3 (39:01):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (39:01):
Sure, I was just gonna say, I'm just gonna finish
by saying, look, the question of is it going to
get better and the answer to that being no, Yeah,
that's when that's when you have to fire a guy.
I mean, I completely understand why. And the big statement
that was made was the university president, Michael Schill saying
(39:21):
the head coach is ultimately responsible for the culture of
his team. It was in widespread and clearly not a
secret within the program.
Speaker 3 (39:28):
That's it. I mean, you're done. They tried and it
didn't happen.
Speaker 4 (39:31):
So, first of all, this is great because we disagree
on everything today. So a couple of things. One, if
somebody asks, how can why are you still the coach
or how can you keep them, there's a very simple answer.
This person reported the behavior to our university. We immediately
hired an independent investigator to investigate the situation, and the
investigator found that the facts that were presented to us
(39:52):
were true, but that our coach would did not knowingly know.
And so to me, that's what you say going forward
is the coach didn't know. Should he have known?
Speaker 3 (40:01):
Maybe?
Speaker 4 (40:01):
But you know every time, you know, every time a
player gets in trouble, oh you know, I mean a coach,
he can't be with the player twenty four hours a day. Well,
like to me, I sit there and say, like, obviously
Pat Fitzgerald wishes he knew, But to me, like, like,
he's not there. There's only so much he can know.
As soon as anyone found out about it, it was
(40:23):
reported to the school. We have no proof right now
that he covered it up. I mean, I don't think
he deserves to be fired.
Speaker 3 (40:30):
Now.
Speaker 4 (40:31):
It's an interesting conversation of I think one year. Absolutely correct, Jason.
It's an academic school more than it is a football school.
And I hate to say it, but the guy hasn't
been winning. I mean, you know, coming off a one
and eleven season. The season before wasn't much better. Ironically,
the season before that they won the Big Ten West.
But I just bring it up to say, like, like
I do wonder if it was a different school, if
(40:52):
he had had a little bit more success in recent years.
But I don't think he deserves to be fired. I
really don't. Simply because they did an independent investigation, he
wasn't found responsible. And oh, by the way, as you said, Jason,
as of seventy two hours ago, the school deemed that
a short suspension was enough, and apparently they've changed their mind.
Speaker 1 (41:11):
I think we learned with Joe Paterno that a coach
can't just be hey, I am the head coach. I
am in charge of this entire program, and then it's oh,
I'm only the head coach. I don't know everything going
I'm only the head coach.
Speaker 3 (41:22):
But you can't.
Speaker 1 (41:23):
You can't play that. You can't play that, and Pat
Frizgerald can't play that.
Speaker 3 (41:26):
Well, I didn't know what.
Speaker 1 (41:27):
You didn't know anything the entire time, all the hazing happening.
You never knew anything about what was going on. Come on,
I find that hard to believe. But you know, hey,
we'll continue this debate. We'll have more on Pat Fitzgerald,
more on the big night in Major League Baseball, and
a big radical idea to make the home run Derby
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