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January 29, 2025 • 41 mins

Jason and Steve DeSaegher discuss how Jerry Jones is at fault for Mike McCarthy not coaching in 2025. The guys give you the best fits for Joel Embiid and Jimmy Butler. Plus, the Eagles/Chiefs Super Bowl uniforms have been announced!

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Speaker 1 (00:30):
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couple of inches in the on the scene here, fantastic

(01:12):
h so big news tonight in the NFL we found
out that with just one coaching opening left the Saints,
who have not spoken to Mike McCarthy, Mike McCarthy has decided, well,
I'm gonna sit out the rest of this coaching cycle
and I'm gonna focus on getting a job in twenty
twenty six. Now, this would have been better if he

(01:34):
said it a week ago, more power in the statement,
if he said it when they were actually like you know,
openings and not just a team he hasn't talked to yet,
that's already talked to Kellen Moore twice. Dude, you talk
to my former OC twice. My other OC got hired
and I got fired because of him. Come on, man,
so again, it would have been a little bit more
powerful if he had said this last week, like when

(01:55):
they were you know, well for teams, people who don't
think it through.

Speaker 3 (01:58):
Yeah, it would have been more powerful then than now,
because it wasn't terribly powerful tonight. Thank you for the information.
He's sitting out this off season now and we'll try
to coach next year. Okay, I think we were going
down that path. I'm pretty sure that had you not
made that announcement. That would still be a outcome that
the one team that has an opening still that's not
planning to interview you was probably not hiring you.

Speaker 1 (02:21):
I can't tell you. For the longest time, every time
the Saints would have a head coaching open, I mean
before Sean Payton, I would think, is Archie Manning came coach,
Archie Manny gonna be the head coach Archie Manning.

Speaker 3 (02:30):
No, no, no, he'll never lose another game as long as
he stays out of the sidelights.

Speaker 1 (02:34):
Right, It's like we could go on TV and I
never lose a game anymore, Bill Cower, any of those.
But yeah, if the Saints lose a lot this year, yeah,
the number one overall pick, arch Manning comes out to
be coached by Archie or it's arch Archie man Or coaching.

(02:56):
Peyton is the OC, Eli's the quarter backs coach, and
arch is the quarterback.

Speaker 3 (03:02):
And you have, of course former offensive coordinator and quarterback himself,
Kellen Moore, who might be getting the head coaching job
and would only be through year one.

Speaker 1 (03:10):
Yeah, they would. They would kick him out now, No,
he wouldn't be going. It's the same if the Mannings
all showed up and said, hey, you could have all
three of us. They sold. It's like when Lebron and
Bosh and Wade showed up in pat Riley's office saying, Hey,
we're all gonna play here. Great, let's get the paper.

Speaker 3 (03:24):
Don't take Kellen Morris in the quarterbacks club of the
whole Manning family.

Speaker 1 (03:28):
I don't think he would just be dusted out the dark.
Peyton would just say, hey, and you you there, There'll
be a place for you somewhere. Just give me a
few days and we'll we'll, we'll, we'll figure out a
room for you. They would, they would do. They would
do the Stephen Root thing from office space. He'd be
in the basement sort of get a can, a pest
aside and a flashlight and take care of the cockroach
problem down here. But with Mike McCarthy not being able

(03:50):
to coach, right, there's a there's a bigger point to
make here about the Cowboys. He would have probably been
a better, more desirable candidate who would have been more
in the mix if he had been available the day
after the regular season. Right. We talked about this earlier
in the show that you know for Mike McCarthy he
was let go, but it was a week after the
season ended.

Speaker 3 (04:11):
The problem with McCarthy is he didn't lose really badly
on Thanksgiving, and.

Speaker 1 (04:16):
We told him if he did that, Belichick would have
been coaching. Everything would have been fine. Yeah, he wouldn't
be in Jim Harbo would be would be at North Carolina. Uh.
But that really screwed him, right, That screwed it because
if he was let go of the day after the season,
teams that are making their list and doing their research
and doing their vetting, you'd have Mike McCarthy on an

(04:36):
early list. You would talk to him. You would then
talk to him probably a second time, then bring him
in for a for a one on one interview. But
by the time Mike McCarthy had had become available, teams
have already been interviewing people once and twice and setting
up in person meetings. So he's a little bit late
to the party. Where are you gonna just say, oh,

(04:56):
we're gonna blow off everybody else we've talked to and
go with Mike McCarthy. He's not that quite a pied piper.
He needed that, he needed that extra time. Where Okay,
day after the season, we know he's available, here's the
people we want to talk to. Put McCarthy on that list.
He's likely getting a job. Now, there's the school of
thought that, well, did he really want to stay? Did
he force his way out? Did they really want to stay?

(05:18):
But by and large, he wanted to be the head
coach of the Cowboys. Jerry Jones waited and decided, no,
we're not going to do this contract for you and
let you and let you go at this point now.
And that's why this offseason is is maybe even more
damaging than anything Jerry Jones has done so far in
his career that says something is because what he's done now, right,
and you see him his press conference yesterday with Brian

(05:39):
Schottenheimer where he's talking about what I was when I
was a pump and I I mean, it sounded like
the AI Jerry Jones, like this is the guy that
the guy that makes up the Jerry Jones stuff on
the internet. No, no, no, no, no, this was really Jerry Jones.

Speaker 3 (05:51):
Accept more pauses because the AI Jerry Jones knew he
was on the air.

Speaker 1 (05:54):
And just you know talk we knew that that's just
a Perkins menu and and so it was awkward and
it was bizarre, and it was Jerry Jones as you
see him taking even a bigger, bigger role as he
gets older and he's getting more more in his ways,
more closed off. And what he's doing is for the

(06:16):
first time, he is damaging the brand of the Dallas Cowboys.
Like the Cowboys, it doesn't matter, hey, win lose, the
Cowboys brand is a big deal. Right. Will you look
and see the games that are on national television there
still everybody watches them more than almost any other team.

Speaker 3 (06:32):
That Cowboys Thanksgiving game was still the number one rated
game for the whole season until a week ago.

Speaker 1 (06:38):
It's still a big deal. But you need big players
and coaches to win games to stay relevant. And what
Jerry Jones is doing is he's hurting the Cowboy brand.
Where you know, yes, if you're a coach, do you
really want to go there? Right? Like that's the thing,
like do you really want to go coach to? And
now if you're a player, do you really want to
go there? I mean the Cowboys did a great job

(06:58):
of you know, over the course of the last twenty
five years of Hey, they draft okay enough and they
spend big money on the right, free agents and people
want to go there and play. But now it's okay.
I get the coaches don't want to go there. But now,
if you're a player, like if you're Michael Parsons, you
ready to say, yeah, I'm gonna sign that contract extension? What's
going on with this team? And if you can't get
those players, you know, I don't care what kind of

(07:20):
team you are. If you are a three and twelve
Dallas Cowboy team, nobody's watching you play the Steelers, you know,
or going crazy to watch you play the Dolphins or
somewhere else. He is hurting the brand of the Cowboys
and their competitiveness on the field because when you put
out the optic that things are getting worse and a
guy who should really be backing off and seeding more
control to somebody else is taking more responsibility. I'm not

(07:43):
going there as a free agent. I'm not going there
as a coach. Why would I want to do that?
Cowboys is becoming like the last chance, Hey, the only
place to go. It's like the Jets. Hey, I want
to be a head coach, I'll go with the Cowboys.
Don't hire anybody, don't insult them. They'll hire. They'll hire anybody,
but with the with the coaches now, because that's that's
a thing. Well, who wants to go coach for, you know,
coach for Jerry Jones. That's been a topic. That's a

(08:04):
legitimate question. But that's going to now get into the
players because they were unhappy when Mike McCarthy got let go, right,
Dak Prescott was mad, Michael Parsons was mad. There's your
offensive and defensive leader right there who were not happy
they lost their head coach. How are you gonna go
get because you can get paid anywhere now in the NFL,
you can go to big markets and get paid. You
can get paid in New York and you get paid
in Chicago, you get paid in Green Bay. You can

(08:24):
get paid anywhere. Why would I go there when it's
just going to be an absolute circus. I saw how
miserable it is, how miserable it is when you are
a front burner, front page team and you can't put
two feet down and walks a straight line like that's
what the Cowboys are. I'm not going I'm not down
with that. And suddenly look at what the Cowboys roster
is gonna wind.

Speaker 3 (08:43):
Up being at the fact that they didn't have a
winning record and didn't win the division and you know,
couldn't stop anybody early season. Everything came crashing down as
far as the Veneer in front of how things were.
This isn't the first year things have been this way.
It's just that they weren't even competitive this losing record,
and we knew by December even mathematically they're going nowhere

(09:05):
where that affects the team you mentioned players, is there
an attraction? Eyeballs are still there for the Cowboys. It's
a ridiculously popular brand and we'll stay that even with
the losing record, as the Lakers have gone through valleys
in their long history and have still remained a superb brand.
The problem with the Cowboys is you get to a point,

(09:28):
like at the end of last NFL season, where they're
not flexing Cowboys into primetime or even the late afternoon
games where you really get the big ratings on the Sunday.
How many times are the Cowboys going to be in
a one pm Eastern slot And when's the last time
the Cowboys had that many games to just start a
typical Sunday and be mixed in with six to eight

(09:50):
other NFL games. That's the path they're on now.

Speaker 1 (09:53):
I mean it's still It's not that it's over because
as you see, there's still a big interest in the Cowboys, right,
there's still a big interest. But you can only go
so long before you become irrelevant, Like you need to
be somewhat competitive. And this year the newness of the
Cowboys not playing well with Dak Prescott getting injuredrect because
the Cowboy's been good enough for a long time, right,

(10:13):
like the last three years, good enough to win twelve games.
The haters can hate, but they make the playoffs. They
have big games that we talk about for a long time.
The loss of the forty nine ers two years ago,
the loss of the Packers last year. Now the newness
this year of all, Dak is hurting the Cowboys stink.
If the Cowboys think again next year, that's gonna be
where you really start seeing things go downhill. And that's

(10:36):
why this is such a big deal that Jerry Jones,
you continue to hurt the brand. You have a couple
of three and fourteen seasons. Who cares? Right, Oh, it's great,
it's great Cup, But if you're not good, nobody cares.

Speaker 3 (10:47):
The La Lakers after the Magic Showtime Lakers and a
ridiculous amount of titles as well as popularity through the eighties.
It got to about the mid nineties, the Lakers had
five years where they weren't much and you remember Del
Harrison was hired as coach, and it's not like they
didn't do anything. But even after they Signshack as a
free agent, and you could tell they were on their

(11:09):
way to being something, maybe not three titles in a row,
but something, they still weren't selling out the forum for
Laker home games because there had been five bad years,
not just one, not just two. So there is something
to be said for a big brand or not. At
some point, you're gonna have to win. And the problem
is Jerry Jones, the owner, is never going to fire

(11:30):
Jerry Jones the general manager, and the GM just hasn't
been doing a lot so this team can win. Has
been putting them in the place to set up the
franchise for the future, must much less the present.

Speaker 1 (11:41):
Yeah, I mean, look, it's a case of where they
always say, always protect the brand, right. That's always been
the NFL's motto since iticm since Roder Goodell came in.
Protect the shield, right, Protect the shield. Make sure that
the shield is And this is why when he came
in he was a disciplinary commissioner, because you want people
spending all kinds of time talking about the monetary off

(12:01):
to that, Yes, what's going on off the field. We
want to talk about drunk driving and arrests and guns
everything else. Right, protect the shield. Jerry Jones is failing
to protect the Cowboys, shield the Star. Not he's not
protecting the Star. I like that. I'm gonna patent that
and not from it, not from it off the field perspective,
but just protect the Star as a brand, right, protect
the fact that the Cowboys are worth more money than

(12:21):
any other team in professional sports. He's not doing that.
Like there's not a time when the Cowboys brand or
brand confidence right, Like that's always the thing they say,
what's your confidence in this brand? Where this brand has
had a lower level of confidence. I can't tell how
many Cowboys, big time Cowboys fans in the media just
like I'm done, I'm done, I'm done. I'm rooting for
another team. I can't do it. I can't do it.

(12:43):
Like he is taking the brand all the way down
and he doesn't see that. But again, a three and
fourteen couple of seasons in a row. With that, you know,
maybe he will, but by then it's going to be
too late.

Speaker 3 (12:52):
No, but what you just said, he doesn't see that.
And this is the problem with too many rich businessmen
in general, is that they are surrounded by men or
family members or both, and they don't like normal people
like you and me. They don't have people to actually
hold them accountable or keep them in line. It's like
the wife who says, you're not gonna wear that going

(13:13):
out right. He has no one in his life to
say that, to do that with him in a business sense.

Speaker 1 (13:19):
I'll tell you this, this suit, this suit costs more
than this house, just so you know, I wear whatever
I want to. This is I actually bought the spiders
that spun their behinds off to make this suit. And
the spiders are million dollar spiders. So I got a
bunch of million dollar spiders and I put numbers on
them like I'm really excited, like I put I put

(13:40):
those do not count against the cap. I put twelve
for stallback on one of the spiders. I put nine
for romo. They spin. They spun this, I mean, they're
so smart, they spun it. Right into a suit. It
didn't have to sew anything. They just bet they knew
what I was and stood there. The spider spun it
all around me. Now he's wearing out right.

Speaker 3 (13:56):
The Cowboys, it's a franchise, are spinning into a black hole.

Speaker 1 (14:00):
Exit out about a fresca. Jason Smith, Steve de Sager
in for Mike Carbett. I mean that's where Jerry Jones
now he is just destroying the Cowboys brand. Guys, Remember
the drought's only an opinion, that's right. The drought they're in,
it's only it's right, it's right. Didn't you watch the
press conference yesterday? Remember Stephen Jones will tell you it's
only an opinion that they're at a thirty.

Speaker 3 (14:17):
Hey, it's one of the family members slash yes man
who's co owners of the Dallas Cowboys.

Speaker 1 (14:22):
Thank you for speaking, Steven. Look, I kind of made
a mess of things. You just say something even more
ridiculous and they'll forget about me, all right, Just go
go say something. Uh So, we got more NFL on
the way. But coming up next, two big stars on
the trading block in the NBA. Where can they end up?
What kind of difference makers can they be as we
get closer and closer to the trade deadline. That's next

(14:43):
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Speaker 1 (15:58):
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Steve Sagarin for Harmon Tonight. Hey, Steve got more NFL
on the way, But some big NBA stuff happening now.
First of all, game of the night, Tyres Maxie was
see forty three points in the first eight minutes of
the game against the Lakers. Is that what it was?

Speaker 3 (16:17):
I'm sure he got all of them after Anthony Davis left,
because Philadelphia as a team got over one hundred points
after Davis was injured.

Speaker 1 (16:25):
The Sixers roll the Lakers and Tyres Maxie goes for
forty three and this gets into a bigger point about
the trade deadline. But first thing with the Lakers is like,
this is why I always say, this is what I
say about the Lakers, been right on all season long.
This is why there's no reason to not be tepidly

(16:46):
cautiously somewhat optimistic that maybe and potentially the Lakers might
be okay because wow, go out of limb there they had,
because they have a couple of games where they look like, wow,
they're really gonna get it. Then they play the Clippers, Nope,
and then they play or they have a game like
this where really you lost the Sixers who were without

(17:07):
Embiid and Paul Georgian. You didn't even it wasn't even close.
I mean it's it's it's Maxie and Oubray and a
bunch of G league guys and you want to you
really this this way, beat this bad in a couple
of nights.

Speaker 3 (17:18):
You're gonna be really impressed by the Lakers when they
go to Washington and beat the Wizards.

Speaker 1 (17:24):
Oh what a great day. You would wouldn't have thought
the Wizards get win number seven on the season.

Speaker 3 (17:29):
You know, that would be the end of the season,
isn't it, Because the Wizards have lost what fourteen games
in a row? Yeah, they barely won since the holidays. Yeah,
so yeah, that would be the end. If they didn't
win even without Anthony Davis. We don't know the status
he left early tonight, but wow, that would be bad.

Speaker 1 (17:45):
I mean Greg Anthony could play for Anthony Davis and
they still would want and play second player instead of
point guard. They still would have But like, this is
the le This is just who they are, right, the
Lakers are. I give them credit because they're there. Their
record is the Look, when you're eight to ten games
over five hundred, that's not bad, right.

Speaker 3 (17:59):
The Lakers their best spot of the year, right, they'll
be Boston recently.

Speaker 1 (18:03):
But but for every time, the Lakers just can't handle success.
Every time they win a couple of games, they come
out and they give you this kind of puke effort.
And again, I mean, come on, man, really, this is
the night you have against the Sixers. Like, like, they
win a couple of games, and then you get JJ
Reddick saying things like, well we play like this, we
meet anybody in the league. Okay, dial it back. You

(18:24):
haven't really beaten anybody, he said.

Speaker 3 (18:26):
I want to sit tonight by the way, you allow
that many shots, and then you're not gonna beat anybody
in the.

Speaker 1 (18:30):
Yeah, exactly. We could beat anybody. We could lose to anybody,
So that that's the big thing. We can beat anybody
you want to. We can also lose to any team
that's your team, like the Lakers, you can't handle success
and you got to be able to find some sort
of consistency. And it's like they're still looking for it.
You know, you have Anthony Davis saying we just need
a center. Well, okay, as Rick Bucker joined us last hour, Okay,
if Ad goes to the four, where does Lebron play? Right, Lebron,

(18:52):
He's gonna be in a position where he can't play
that he's forty years old, Like what are you gonna do? Like,
how are you gonna figure things out? Like this? Oh
the lake. There's always something we're missing, right, and that's
Ad and Lebron. For the last four years has been well,
we're missing we're missing something. We're missing something. The Lakers
have tried so many different ways, with so many mixes
of players. We brought in the guys that you wanted,

(19:13):
we brought in the guys that we won, and still
you can't you can't find a way. You can't find
a way with any of these mixes to be able
to win some sort of of of length of games, consistency.
This is just who the Lakers are and if they
could do handle success, if they could figure out a
way to just put their heads down and play, it
would be a lot better, but they can't.

Speaker 3 (19:32):
What they're missing usually is three pointers. Second, when Lebron
James was the facilitator and so often he's the assist guy.
And he's had a phenomenal career in that department.

Speaker 1 (19:42):
Just by the way.

Speaker 3 (19:43):
Tonight's game at Philly, nine assists and eight turnovers in
this game. So let's say Anthony Davis doesn't play against
a lesser opponent in a couple of nights. Are you
still going to be turning it over like this? Or
is Austin Reeves going to be your assist man? Because
as great as Lebron is, and I struggle to think
of another star that was this good at this age

(20:06):
in any sport. It's really oh yeah, it's really ridiculous.

Speaker 1 (20:10):
Yeah a little bit, maybe Brady a little bit, but
he but Brady was almost done. Lebron could play, you
play another four.

Speaker 3 (20:16):
He's still fast break, slam dunk like you saw ten
years ago. And so I'm not saying in any stretch
that you know he shouldn't be in the league, or
you know his skills are he just can't do everything
and that's to be expected at this point. So what
happens once we get to okay, post DC, we get
to playing the Knicks and the Clippers are their next
two games?

Speaker 1 (20:37):
Yeah, good luck.

Speaker 3 (20:37):
They could get bounced badly in each of those games.
And this is national TV game. That's why it's Saturday
night right New York hosting, And you're not gonna have
a star there in this case, not sitting out for
load management, although it's kind of the same thing with
Anthony Davis. There could be a real injury or you're
just avoiding the next injury.

Speaker 1 (20:55):
Either, well, well you're gonna say, listen, if he plays
and we get killed, that's gonna be really tough for
us mentally. So let's have him not play and we
get killed. Then we could say if we had a
d he would have gone for forty and twenty on
Big Bodegah, we would have had that that it would
have been great.

Speaker 3 (21:10):
Since you're playing a G League team on Thursday, just
sit him then and then you'll play a real NBA
team on the road.

Speaker 1 (21:16):
You don't insult the G League like that.

Speaker 3 (21:18):
Come on, didn't I say Thomas score thirty five in
the G League?

Speaker 1 (21:22):
This week. So stay tad, and that's not wasn't the
Pistons as it was a G League All Star last year.
I won and like four games and I think he
was voted to the All Star team. Played four games
at mcclong's gonna win another slam Dug thing without playing
a game in the NBA. He's good again. He's gonna
he's gonna have more slam dunk contest than games played.
We do have a final from the NBAS.

Speaker 3 (21:42):
Milwaukee was beaten at Portland tonight and here you had
Giannis Antanakumpo scoring thirty nine points. They just lost at
Portland the late game still with two minutes left, Golden
State's up nine on Utah.

Speaker 1 (21:53):
Now the other part of this game, the Sixers win.
Right to give the Sixers credit because this is their
second big ish win in the last week. They beat
Cleveland again without Joel Embiid. And for the names d
Aaron Fox and Jimmy Butler to be front and center
for the trade deadline, I get it right. The Heat No,
they have to move on from Jimmy Butler and they

(22:15):
are now accepting. According to Yahoo, They're going to accept
Less in a trade for butler than they had been
asking for before, which kind of goes without saying next
Patty Island, glad you figured that out, Like I could
have told you two weeks here you're not getting anything
for him. But you know, hey, that's just me and
d Aaron Fox wants to go and his preferred destination
is San Antonio. Okay, oh my goodness, but I'll tell

(22:38):
you what. The guy who needs to be out there,
and you know, one of the guys that Rick Bucker
agreed with me last hour on is that Joel Embiid
needs to go somewhere. He needs to be on a
new team. He needs a fresh start. Right. We've said
this a couple of times, but just watching the Sixers
from the flip side of hey they stink this year,
the flip side of the last week or so hey,
even though they're still not good, they have found a

(22:59):
way to now be Tyrese Maxi driven. He went in
a very short time for being Oh my goodness. If
the Sixers can fill out their third star or their
team a little bit more behind Embiid and Maxie, they're
going to be really dangerous. Now. It's hey, Joel Embiid
is done and physically, he's not there. I don't know

(23:19):
how healthy he really is. And you're not good. You've
had the best of Joel Embiid. He's not gonna suddenly
get motivated to want to come back and bring a
title of Philadelphia's out tomorrow. We know already he's done.
He's done, and you know you have to start over.
And the thing is, Embiid has some decent trade value
because you can make the money work. And I'm a
firm believer that when NBA stars quit on their current team,

(23:43):
they will for a very short period of time be
motivated someplace else. Right, whether it's Durant or James Harden
or Chris Paul like these guys, Hey, I will find
a way to be motivated at my next stop, right,
Chris tops Porzingis, I'll find a way to be motivated
on my next stop and the next two postseasons. Now,
because that's how you think about it. As the playoffs
this year, in the playoffs next year, Joel Embiid would

(24:05):
be a really good ad for a team. Okay, we
could do this for a couple of years and see
where we're at. It's it's a good risk, and Embiid
is not the MVP Embiid we're getting. We're getting what
we hope is a closed version to it. A guy
you'd want on the court. Yeah, but he's dinged up
with the price. Might not be he might be more
about making the salaries match so Philadelphia can get out
from under the contract. But both sides need a fresh start,

(24:27):
and it completely makes sense that Embiid is the guy.
He should be the number one name during this trade
cycle of the Sixers. Get him out there. And because
I'm telling you he would go to a new team,
Steve and suddenly would be well, how long till Embiad's flight. No,
he's playing tonight in the lineup. He's ready to go.
Look he's right there. Look at him. He's doing jumping jacks.
He's doing heighnees, jumping jacks. We had the plane go

(24:48):
to forty thousand feet last night because he wanted to
do high knees at a higher out stude than Russell Wilson.
So he's doing high Look, he's ready to go. They's
never been this spriye Joelmbi. Look how healthy he has been?
How about that?

Speaker 3 (25:00):
The home opponent for the Philadelphia seventy six ers. Tomorrow
night is Sacramento. Do you make the deal right then?
Just have him switch uniforms, go.

Speaker 1 (25:10):
Down the hall.

Speaker 3 (25:11):
Everybody's happy. We're done. Forget going all the way to
the deadline. Look at all that stress we saved.

Speaker 1 (25:16):
Hey, you give us the Aaron Fox, We'll give you
to wellenb Say thank you very much, and we can
have the game tonight. We can do the game tonight, right,
I mean, I mean, I don't know that that's the
guy they need. They need a bit like if look
if Paul George is still playing at a pretty decent
level in his mid thirties, that's when they would have
three Maxis on the starting lineup right. You probably need
another big because Maxie needs the ball. He needs to

(25:37):
take a lot of the shot. Todd McCulloch available, I'm
sure he probably still available. Sure, yeah, I think he is.
Todd Fuller, I think also still available. I'm thinking out
quite the big man big front men named Todd who
played in the late nineties early two thousandsman, Oh yeah, yeah,
on the Furman. He'll be able to tell you your
chances of making a basket. That's a I think you

(25:58):
would know those aren't very good. So Embiid, yeah, and
he would have still have that. And the thing is
trading him now while he still has that bit of Oh,
I can look at the back of his basketball card
and still think he's really good that a cheking have
because if another year goes by and he doesn't play
whatever it is, he doesn't want to be back in
the lineup, It's well, what kind of embad are we getting?

(26:18):
He's near the end. He's absolutely near the end. You're
not gonna get really anything, and then you're just kind
of giving him away. I would rather give away Joel
Embiid a year early than a year late. And the
bottom line is it's not like he's ever coming back
to the Sixers and they're gonna be good. That's what
I would say right now. I would say, do you hona?
I would get everybody the Sixers brain trust on the board,

(26:39):
and I would say, do you honestly think Joel Embiid
is gonna come back to this team? He's gonna be
healthy and he's gonna carry the team to the championship.
He's not. You gotta start over, and Embiid has to
be out there and be that number one guy on
the trading block. It makes too much sense.

Speaker 3 (26:53):
Philadelphia right now about ten games under the five hundred mark,
not one of the top ten teams in the East,
so therefore not even getting to the play in. If
they can pass Mike Carmen Chicago Bulls, then yeah, maybe
they're into the play in. But we all know who
the good teams are in the East and it's nobody
around Philadelphia's level. Ye, so I know there can be

(27:15):
surprises in postseason and more so in the playing because
it's so short. It's a very short week. It's not
a full seven game series, et cetera. Be realistic on
who you are and look at the teams around you.
Because you are what your record is and the teams
around you, you're probably not that impressed with Toronto included.

Speaker 1 (27:34):
Now for Jimmy Butler's perspective, now that they're taking less
for him again, the money is a concern because of
course he's going to opt into that forty two million
next year. Now, maybe he does something to make it
easier to trade him, but the destination for him is
going to be quite different. Where Embiid could be in
over the top guy if he gets to the right team.
The right, big Hey, Embiid could be in over the

(27:55):
top guy, whereas Butler is more he has good game,
he has good games, but he's not the Jimmy Butler
of even four years ago.

Speaker 3 (28:04):
Now in the bubble with the Final I mean, those
were some phenomenal postseason games.

Speaker 1 (28:08):
But honestly, the best fits for him that I'm trying
to go, I was going through the best fits. I'm
going these are all places he's been already and they
don't want him back. So isn't it he want? You know,
his list is like the Warriors and the Rockets and
these teams. I'm like, they don't want to go near him.
The Warriors don't aren't a Jimmy Butler away from winning,
and they're not going to trade away a bunch of
players to make the forty million dollar money work. Now

(28:29):
we had our dream on. I think that's what they're saying.
So the thing is for Jimmy Butler, when he does
get traded, it's gonna be a bit of a whimper
because the teams that are going to be interested, that
are going to go after Butler are the teams that
are going to say, hey, we have the financial flexibility
for this money thing, and maybe Jimmy Butler's got enough
to be the number three option on the team. And

(28:51):
Jimmy Butler's got his own unique style of leadership that
can work for a short period of time, and we're
okay taking this risk. It's going to be a risky
want to be contender that goes after Jimmy Butler. A
team like the Pistons, who suddenly are wait a minute,
we're five hundred. Oh my god, Kimble, we're five. Is
this like the late nineteen eighties? This is fantastic? So

(29:12):
that's a team that would be interested. They were a
little better in the late nineteen eighties. A team like
the Mavericks, who, wow, we were coming off the NBA
finals and wow, the Western Conference just got even better
and deeper. And when's Luca you know, integrate and right,
so how are we gonna get Hey, maybe Jimmy Butler
is our third star and certainly coming in that maybe
he would be a team that needs to take a

(29:33):
chance with that. And a team of like Mark Cuban,
who would say, hey, I'm happy bringing a guy that
magnitude in that kind of star power. Maybe he's a
he's very polarizing. So that's where it's gonna be. It's
gonna be the risky wanna be contenders that go get
Jimmy Butler and beat should be over the time. If
you think you can win a championship, hey call the
sixers and let's see what we can make work for
Joel Embiid. If you think you can contend and you

(29:55):
think maybe Butler for the next season or so is
gonna have a great impact, but that's it's going to
be the risky want to be contenders to go get him.
Risk is the word here.

Speaker 3 (30:03):
So I'll go off the board and say the team
that I'm most surprised about in the Western Conference, it's
not Oklahoma City because we've seen flashes of them prior
to this year and they do have a superstar player.
The Houston Rockets at the moment are the two seed
in the Western Coasts. I want to see Dylan Brooks
on the same roster with Jimmy.

Speaker 1 (30:23):
Butlers and gentlemen. How many how many practices, not even games?
How many practices before like you wake up in the
morning and go TMZ has video of this is what
happened at Rockets practice? Really, you know the thing about
the Rockets is that while that's on his list, three
weeks ago, I would have said, oh, that's good, that
that would be a great fit, right, Jimmy Butler going there,

(30:43):
and you know it's a very young team, very young
and h mean they got VanVleet. It's very good. Yeah,
but it's a young team and Jimmy Butler his type
of you know, his contributions leadership might be really good.
But that But the more I watch the last few weeks,
I'm like, I don't know, you want to screw You
might screw things up more if you bockets are pretty.

Speaker 3 (31:01):
This is how Miami's gonna win in this is They're
going to have addition by subtraction. It's gotten to that point.
And I know there's some GM out there, and this
happens at every sport. They think, Okay, I see the problems.
I read the news, I see what's going on. But
I'm gonna be the guy that fix it. On my watch,
this is gonna be fine. I've seen the talent before.

(31:21):
Let's get him. Let's take the chance and it can
work here. Yeah, no, where, I think we're past that.
I think the parade. I think he has the pariah
label for a well earned reason, and it will disrupt
your chemistry and chances exit.

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Speaker 3 (31:54):
Four games in the NBA, the earlier wins for Philadelphia
and Houston. Portland has beaten Milwaukee today one twenty five,
one twelve, despite thirty nine points from Jannisontennacumpo, the Blazer's
Jeremy Grant left with an ankle injury. Golden State has
sent Utah to a seventh straight loss, one fourteen to
one oh three. Houston's win at Atlanta sent the Hawks
to a sixth straight defeat one hundred to ninety six,

(32:16):
and at Philadelphia, Tyres Maxi with forty three points in
a win over the Lakers one eighteen to one oh four.
LA's Anthony Davis left with an abdominal strain and the WNBA.
Britney Griner agreed to a deal with Atlanta College Hoops
Kentucky one at Tennessee. Kansas held on to edge UCF
NHL wins for Carolina and Chicago. Washington Commander's offensive coordinator

(32:38):
Cliff Kingsbury will stay with the team. After not interviewing
for the Saints head coach opening, the Cowboys hired Matt
Eberflus for defensive coordinator. Baltimore is hiring veteran Chuck Pagatto
as secondary coach. The Raiders reportedly interviewed Darryl Beble for
offensive coordinator. He worked for Pete Carroll in Seattle. Reliever
Kirby Yates passed his physical and we'll sign with the

(32:59):
Dodgers on a one deal. He was an All Star
with Texas last year. Apparently the Dodgers just need a
bank room.

Speaker 1 (33:04):
On the forty man roster. Back to you, thank you. See,
I don't know they have room. They got to cut
an all stars. We gotta cut you Kershaw. Sorry, but
but wait a minute.

Speaker 3 (33:13):
Now, they already got rid of the guy who was
their top minor league catching prospect. Now We're okay in
that department and we need the space. Sorry, sorry, prospect anymore.

Speaker 1 (33:24):
Yeah, I know, and I know you play a position
of need, but I'm sorry. We gotta move on.

Speaker 3 (33:28):
Yeah, they're gonna need Will Smith to play one hundred
and fifty games this year. That's what that says to me.

Speaker 1 (33:32):
Well, they can always do charity, guys, and give one
to the Padres. Oh look look at you, Frostburg. The
new calendar year is here, and you're feeling very giving
towards the Padres. Already I'm digging that exit out bout
of Fresca. Jason Smith Steve de Sager lied from the
Tirack dot com studios. Coming up next, another big story
out of the NFL where it's gonna be white versus

(33:54):
red and that's a pretty big deal. Jason Smith, Steve
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Speaker 2 (34:03):
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(34:25):
This is more than a game.

Speaker 1 (34:27):
Be there. Fox Sports Radio The Jason Smith Show is
Steve Disagaran from Mike Harmon. Can we get back into
the big Mike McCarthy story coming up in about fifteen minutes.
That broke tonight. But early today you probably saw the
video on social media the people who sew the uniforms together,

(34:49):
letting you know that a the oh super Bowl. Yeah,
the Chiefs are going to be wearing their white uniforms
in the Super Bowl and the Eagles are going with
their midnight green uniforms, not the Kelly green. They can't
wear them. No, the darker green, the midnight green, which okay,
I like them at night. I mean the Kelly green
just looks so awesome. I mean, it's too bad they
can't wear them. It's an alternate jersey. So yeah, and

(35:10):
partly wanted to say, let's have the Chiefs wear red
and the Eagles wear green to be kind of fun.

Speaker 3 (35:14):
But the Eagles were the designated home team, so they
had the choice of uniforms, and then the Chiefs just
have to.

Speaker 1 (35:19):
Take the leftover. So with the white uniforms you probably
saw today. It becomes a topic every year. You know,
if you wear the white uniforms. The team and the
white uniforms is won sixty four percent of all the
Super Bowls, including sixteen of the last twenty. There's a
huge advantage to wearing white. And I'm like, okay, and
being good and being good, well, well, remember in the
super Bowl, you are generally pretty good no matter what. Right,

(35:43):
the white uniforms are lighter, they're not you know. But
I read something about and not too long ago, about
how most of the teams who have worn white for
whatever reason are the ones that are favored in the
super Bowl, and more favorites win the suit. Not talking
about the point spread, but just they just have. I've
been going to the early going all the way back.
You're wearing the white uniforms. Is that they've been the

(36:04):
teams have been favored more. So, Yeah, of course, you know,
the teams that are favored more are going to win
the majority of the Super Bowls. So it's not like
suddenly the white uniform is a huge advail. You can't
win wearing uniform that's not white. Well, the chiefer showed
us a year ago, Hey, guess what we can win.
Don't need to wear white. But honestly, the two biggest
things is what I would tell the Eagles because we've

(36:24):
seen it now happen, you know, plenty of times. The
first thing I would say is when you think about white,
forget about the uniforms. First thing, wear white cleats, white cleats. Right.
We saw that week one when Isaiah Likelee got called
out of bounds, didn't catch the touchdown pass in Kansas City.
You can see back in the end and he's you know,

(36:45):
he's not wearing white cleats and you can see it.
And Patrick Mahomes even joked around about it after the game.
They said, what'd you think of that play? And he said,
gotta wear white cleats. That wear white cleats, Like, yeah,
like wear white cleats because that's the thing, because the
out of bounds is white and you want to be
able to see. Okay, I can't tell if his white

(37:06):
cleat is on the white Oh. I could tell that
the black cleat is, or the or the green cleat is,
or the red cleat is, but I can't tell where
the white cleat is. And you never know when that
could come and and really be something for you. Near
it our week one of the season and Isaiah likely
maybe in white cleats it might have been a reverse call.

Speaker 3 (37:22):
In other words, your white cleat would be up against
the white sideline and they couldn't tell the yes.

Speaker 1 (37:29):
If it's ruled a touchdown for you, okay, you were
in bounds. It's hard to overrule. And maybe that could
be the difference between winning and losing. It seems like
a small thing, but it's really easy. Oh, I got
these great custom made black cleat. No, no, no, where the
white cleats. But I got these red cleats with dragons
on them and they actually move, they actually breathe fire. Yeah, no, no, no,
where the white cleats. That's what we're gonna do. But
we don't know how they're gonna paint the end zones

(37:51):
quite yet. No, but the out of bounds is going
to be white, so you know where you know where
white like the out of bounds in the back of
the end zone. Out of bounds as sideline is going
to be white. So there's white for the cleats. And
the other big thing white gloves. Wear white gloves, especially
defenders wear white gloves. The chiefs are wearing white uniforms,

(38:12):
so McDuffie needs to wear white.

Speaker 3 (38:13):
They can't tell when he grabs white jersey of his
white gloves in front of him.

Speaker 1 (38:17):
I mean, it's the Chiefs. They may throw the flag anyway,
but at least if you ever mean, they might figure
out a different way. They might have already. They might
just hold the flag and wait and see how the
play goes and then they throw the flag. Is that
if you wear white, if you wear white gloves and
you're a defensive back or you're a linebacker, and so
it goes out for it? Is it? It makes it

(38:38):
a little bit harder for the for the referee to
see the white gat Are you committing a penalty? Do
you have the hold to somebody or do you not?
So the white gloves on the white jersey.

Speaker 3 (38:48):
Okay, so you're saying, silly guys defending the white jersey Chiefs.

Speaker 1 (38:52):
That's the two things for the Eagles. White cleats and
what everybody defensively white cleats. White cleats defensively because you
never know. Look, it's why everybody in the NHL has
black tape on their sticks. So ohy, the black that
is because you want to disguise the puck from from
the goalie, right, so we can't really tell where it
is coming off your stick. And I mean, these are things, right,
these are things that could flip a game. Oh, by

(39:14):
the way, the Eagles lost a Super Bowl two years ago,
why because of a grabbing penalty on the big play
that allowed the Chiefs to kill the quaw turn and
make the game winning play. Right, if you're wearing white
gloves and there's a similar play like that again, yeah,
maybe you get whistled. Maybe you don't. What do you mean, maybe?
I mean maybe again, Maybe they just hold the flag
to wait to see how the play goes. Oh, it's

(39:34):
gonna be a completion throw. Oh no, no, no, incomplete, incomplete,
Give me the flag back. I don't need it. Don't
need it for Philly. Can K dropped it? Can K
drop it? We're all good.

Speaker 3 (39:40):
They're gonna have to talk. They have two rookie defensive
backs that have wound up getting a ton of time
with this team, one that actually became the starter and
the others on the field to gene all the time.

Speaker 1 (39:51):
Amazing, that wasn't it.

Speaker 3 (39:53):
Their first two draft picks were the exact same position,
and they wind up with easily the number one ranked
defense in the NFL this year, and with the addition
of those two in the secondary and Zagbonnett linebacker. It
just changed everything. And then you look what Jalen Carter
has become at the nose tackle at every level of defense.

(40:13):
This is such a good deal that Philadelphia has had
all season long. This is not just they've happened to
be good recently or anything. That's what Mahomes is going
to be going up against.

Speaker 1 (40:22):
And who can believe fourteen penalties called against the Eagles
just here in the first half alone, Eight late hits
on Patrick Mahomes, including when they were punting. Well, you
didn't think that would happen.

Speaker 3 (40:35):
You know, it's not a home crowd of course for
Super Bowl, and you know that people are up on
what's been going on and the calls and complaints about
the calls. And we all saw when a couple of
games ago, I believe it was when Mahomes was running
down the sideline and kind of went down on his own,
kind of hoping for the flag. Oh yeah, if that
happens in the Super Bowl in New Orleans, neutral crowd,

(40:57):
there will be booze.

Speaker 1 (40:58):
People will see that and pointed out it's amazing how
the narrative has flipped from Mahomes being one of the
most like players. Everybody would want his reputation, and in
a week it's been I can't stand mobs. I wanted
to lose. I'm not even gonna watch the super Bowl.
I don't like bulbs.

Speaker 3 (41:12):
Most of that is just the winning and the whole
I'm not gonna watch the super Bowl.

Speaker 1 (41:16):
Really, Bundle Ruskie, Bundle Ruskie, bundle Ruskie. Now they keep
showing that commercial. I may I may not watch super
Bowl if you could give me something to make sure
that commercials nodding because I'm done with the bundle Ruski.
I'm kind of done with that. Coming up next, we
go from the super Bowl to the big NFL news
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