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January 7, 2026 40 mins

We said in September John Harbaugh was coaching for his job, and it ended that way. He & Lamar Jackson are the only constants of the past 8 years. So, one of them was going & it wasn't going to be Lamar. This had to happen.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:22):
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Speaker 1 (00:29):
John Harbaugh, Greetings, Welcome in side our three, The Jason
Smith Show with my bab friend Mike Harmon Hobo. Where
today it was black Tuesday in the NFL. It's an
extension of Black Monday. It's kind of like, you know,

(00:50):
twenty eight days later, the new movie that came out
a few months ago that wait talking we're talking about
it's it's NFL black. That's what That's what happened.

Speaker 3 (01:00):
That's what they call racist.

Speaker 1 (01:01):
It's black Friday.

Speaker 2 (01:04):
That's gotta be racist.

Speaker 1 (01:06):
I can't defend you, Jason.

Speaker 3 (01:07):
Can we just change the vernacular for our show. Firing line? Yeah,
firing line, firing.

Speaker 1 (01:13):
Line like where you know they came out with the
twenty eight years later movie like four months ago and
now very quickly. The next movie is coming out like
in a week, like the sequel to that one's coming
out of a race. Listen, we're gonna we're gonna shoot
both movies back to back, because ray, we don't want
you without a shirt on for very long. I kind
of feel like that's what today today was like the extension. Hey,

(01:34):
we just had all the coaches fired on on on Monday,
and we knew that, and now we got another one
like right away.

Speaker 3 (01:41):
A bunch of coordinators. Yeah, some that were pretty obvious
and just waiting for the ink to dry before they
put out the pressers. But the head coaching job, yeah,
again not a massive surprise. But did they just want
to give him his own news day?

Speaker 1 (01:56):
Well, I think you're coming off of Hey, I look
with Horball getting fired. For first of all, he was
a it was this is a split decision, both sides
deciding we're moving on. And then and then an hour
later it was oh no, uh yeah, sorry, we fired
John Harbaugh. All it is John Harbaugh. I don't want
anybody thinking Jim Harbaugh got fired Before the he would.

Speaker 3 (02:17):
Have attacked Charger Ship and GM with an intensity unknown
to me.

Speaker 1 (02:21):
He'd been like Nicholson in the Shining Jimmy breaking right,
how you fire me? Breaking through? His kakis are all bloody,
he says, whipping through the snow.

Speaker 3 (02:32):
You know you want to you want that going into
public domaand Jim Harbaugh, so we can we could use
head and create one of these Winny the Pooh like movies.

Speaker 1 (02:40):
You want to know, one of the most Just tell
you real quick before you go back to Jim Hotball.
I tell because I think about John John Harbaugh, well,
Jim Harbaugh too, because I mean it affects Jim too,
because you know he's the brother who did not Now
I really feel sorry for the Patriots on Sunday night.
I mean, I mean maybe does Jim har It's just
now John gets to help consult because he's just hanging around. Yeah,
but did they really get along that well that they're consulting?

(03:02):
Didn't get along that well?

Speaker 3 (03:03):
I like, do you think Jim harbygiving day, Jim Harbor,
it's just fun today going hello, Jim Harbo speaking the
Harbor who didn't get fired today?

Speaker 1 (03:10):
How can I help you?

Speaker 4 (03:10):
Jasons lost to the raiders. Do they do we really
need consulting?

Speaker 3 (03:15):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (03:16):
No, I I know that is that is true? I
need a thirty for thirty on that. Then John held
up his Super Bowl ring. Yeah, yeah, it's that is true.
That is true. And then Jim held up his National
Championship ring. Jokes to see if Connor Stallions can get
you this ring? Huh how about that? Uh? Uh so
just really just you know, never mind, let's okay. Now,

(03:37):
let's so when I was a kid and I wasn't
allowed to see Scary Moved until I was a certain age,
one of my best friends, uh his name was Devin,
and we were talking about the Shining and I had
never gotten to see the Shining, and and for some reason,
it was on TV one night, like locally in in
New York, and I watched like the first hour of it,
and my grandparents saw that I was watching it, and

(03:59):
they said, you can't watch it. It so you can't
watch the Shining. You can't watch the Shining. Oh okay,
So I couldn't watch the rest of it. So the
next day I was talking about, oh, my grandparents maybe
turn off the Shining and watched last night. My friend's oh, well,
why did you watch up to it? I said, Oh,
it was whatever part it was even when when the
kids show when the girl to Twinch up with the
big wheel, I whatever it was, and he goes, always said,
what happened to the He goes, oh, what happened at

(04:20):
the end. He tells me the story about the end
of the movie. He says, well, what happens is, you know,
the whole entire time, he's supposed to the Jack Nichol's
supposed to be taking care of the the oil burner
in the room, and it just keeps getting out of control,
out of control. And at the end he's chasing, he's
chasing everybody around and and and he remembers, oh, I
forgot to check the room. And he goes to the
room and the room blows up and it kills him.

(04:40):
And I'm like, wow, that's a pretty cool ending. For
years I thought that's how The Shining ended. When I
finally watched it for the first time, I see it,
I go, this is the end.

Speaker 5 (04:51):
There's there's no boiler room, there's no explosion.

Speaker 1 (04:55):
He just gets lost in the snow. It just sits down.

Speaker 3 (04:58):
What the hell?

Speaker 1 (04:59):
Devin and I wasn't talking to him at this point
because we'd gone to different schools. Like I think I
was in middle school, and I'm.

Speaker 5 (05:04):
Like, don't need to make it. He didn't see the
movie either. He's telling me, he signs there's no boiler here.
He just kind of just kind of lays down. It's cold,
and he freezes the death. Sorry spoiler, look like that.
Why can't believe? For years I thought that's how The
Shining ended.

Speaker 3 (05:19):
Well, it would have been really funny if he would
have really fooled you by saying well, And then Scatman
Brothers became Hong Kong Foy and it really went down
and all of a.

Speaker 1 (05:28):
Sudden, he was fighting bad guys and Scatman Crothers goes
to work in this garage right for these for this
guy who owns the garage, this guy that works for him.
It's really charismatic, and he says, looking good, so he goes.
It works out like you know, I couldn't. I'm like,
what other movies did he tell me about that? He
lied that he didn't see. Oh I got to see it, yeah,
my mom, And he makes up this entire thing.

Speaker 3 (05:49):
See, I really thought you were gonna go Pops Clockwork
or Orange j Ass and said you want to watch it?

Speaker 1 (05:56):
No, come on, wasn't Pop busy knocking boots with all
your girls.

Speaker 3 (06:00):
That that was later Pop.

Speaker 1 (06:03):
Was busy not giving me messages. Hey, uh, I was
really stundaring.

Speaker 4 (06:07):
I'm calling I'm calling bs on. You not watching scary
stuff at that age.

Speaker 1 (06:11):
Oh no, this is when I was like seven. You
watched Mets and the Jets. Well, the Mets wending those
are way scary than shall Here's the thing. In the
late seventies early eighties, the Jets were actually pretty good
elis val the Mets were no good. No, the Jets
made it to That was the muddy Black Exchange. What
was it? Sack exchange was eighty to eighty two? That
was sack exchange. Eighty two was the AFC title game

(06:32):
against the Dolphins, the mud Bowl where Don shul A
cheating his ass off. Let's let's let you no, he're
supposed to cover the field. NL You'll say you have
to cover the field when inclement weather comes, and he says, no.
The Jets have a great defense. Were Jets were great offense.
We have a great defense. I'm gonna let it become
a mud bowl because that gives us the advantage. And
that's why the Jets lost that game. Didn't go to

(06:53):
the super Bowl. We lost fourteen nothing.

Speaker 4 (06:55):
Get better, spikes, bring up them adapt I've seen the
NFL films. That's not the reason that didn't have the
cool horn section.

Speaker 3 (07:04):
Got bad bad.

Speaker 1 (07:06):
I I remember.

Speaker 3 (07:10):
Started telling you about how bad it was.

Speaker 1 (07:12):
I mean, that's the AJ Dewey play of the interception.
And the thing is, the AJ Dewey plays become so
famous NFL history, and and anytime I think about the game,
I go, it doesn't matter. They could still be playing
that game now. The Jets were not scoring a point.
They were not scoring in that game. It was so bad,
so nothing has changed. It was so awful, like the
Jets are never going to score, right, like the Dolphins

(07:32):
got it. Oh by the way, and you know a
flukey touchdown in the first half what he been at
x Jet runs? It was seven nothing? And I knew then,
like this is how smart. This is how I knew
I'd be a great sports talk radio host. I knew
at that point the game was over once the Dolphins
got in the end zone. Front, this game's over. We're
not full on bourbon, we're not scoring.

Speaker 3 (07:48):
Dewey may not have defeated Truman, but he did beat
the Jets.

Speaker 1 (07:52):
I still say, I really think Richard Todd completed more
passes to AJ Dewey than he did to his teammates
on that three interceptions were the guys.

Speaker 4 (07:59):
I think that's what the Past Control Company was named after,
the dudey guys.

Speaker 1 (08:05):
So John Harbaugh gets fired today. He goes in to
check the boiler room and there's boilers. He gets fired today.
And let me just remind you because I'd like to
say this, but you know, sometimes we're ahead of the
curve here on the show most of the time. We
told you in September that John Harball was coaching for

(08:25):
his job this year because if things didn't go well,
and this is when they started out poorly. They had
the big loss opening week and it looked like they
weren't even going to contend in the AFC North because
the Steelers got out to a big first few week
lead and the Ravens were sitting at one and three,
one and four. It looked awful. Hey, he's coaching for
his job. If this doesn't go well, he's gonna get fired.

(08:47):
Why because coming into this year where it was supposedly
the most talented Ravens roster, another failure, and a change
is going to have to be made because the only
two constants the entire run this last few years have
been John Harbaugh and Lamar Jackson, And you know, only
one of them is gonna get that life raft. And
it was gonna be Lamar Jackson, right, it wasn't gonna

(09:08):
be them? Was it gonna be? John Harball got leoed No,
Rose said sorry, there's not enough room hit it. Uh
So you knew that was gonna happen because they weren't
gonna waste whatever prime years Lamar Jackson has left trying
to make it work again, especially when this year unfolded
weirdly oddly? Was Lamar Jackson healthy? Was he not? Was

(09:33):
he really invested in the season? Was he invested in staying?
All these weird stories came up about suddenly, oh, does
Lamar want to stay? Does Lamar want to play for for?
Uh John Harball anymore? And these when stories like that
come out of nowhere, you know that there's some kind
of basis in it, there's some kind of okay, something
weird is happening behind closed doors. And then we got
the story today, Oh he had lost the locker room

(09:55):
a little bit and the players didn't want to play
for him anymore. Look, whatever the reason is, it was irrelevant.
When Tyler loops kick went far right, John Harball was
getting fired. Now they waited a day because look it's
late Sunday night, we're coming in Monday. We want to
make sure we want to talk to him. We want
to dot our t's and dot our rise across our teas. Okay,

(10:16):
so we'll make that announcement on Tuesday. So that was
always going to happen. I'm not surprised. I expected it
to happen. And even if they had won that game
and they lose next week, they could have made a change.
I can still see them saying, yeah, we weren't competitive
in our second game, our first playoff game, so we're
out right. You had to do something because it seemed
like it was Lamar or John Harball. And you had

(10:36):
had eighteen years of John Harbor. You won a Super Bowl,
you were a really good playoff team, you were a
yearly threat, but you just couldn't for whatever reason, you
just couldn't get it done. And there were different reasons
every year why the Ravens lost. Whether it's drop passes,
it's miskicks, it's Lamar Jackson turnovers. It's not the same
every year. It's something different. But hey, what's the constant

(10:57):
Lamar and John Harball. So you knew Harball was going
to go I'm not surprised that happened today. It had
to happen because whatever it is, you need new ideas
in there once in a while, right, no matter what
kind of coach you are, there's got to be some
sort of new ideas that come in. And that's what
the Ravens need.

Speaker 3 (11:12):
Now.

Speaker 1 (11:12):
They have some guys out there, They have some dudes
out there they could go get, whether it's Tofan Ski,
whether it's Forheemr somebody else, but they need new ideas
and need someone that is going to rejuvenate that team
and be able to say, hey, we are now going
to get this new influx of energy and we can
do it well. Right. Lamar Jackson refused to endorse John
Harball following the game. Right, when that happens, you know

(11:34):
something's going on. And whatever role Lamar Jackson had in
the firing, whether it's a big role, whether it was
the opinion that put it over the top, whether it
was a tiny roll, this was not unexpected, and it
was going to happen. We knew it. Even if Lamar
Jackson said, now I want to keep John Harbaugh, I
don't know that that would have been enough. But like
this decision was going to happen no matter what, we

(11:55):
were going to get to this point where Harbar is
out looking for a job and the Ravens are looking
to jump start their team.

Speaker 3 (12:01):
In the end, you get eighteen years. That super Bowl's
long in the rear view mirror. You've got however long
you know, Lamar's at peak Lamar, and even if that's gone,
but we have that report from the Baltimore Sun about
playing video games, falling asleep in meetings. Now he did
at that point go you think hardball's let me do that, right,

(12:21):
that kind of thing, and literally stood up there, going
he's in control of stuff, Come on now, and to
his own you know, backing his own history and his
own work ethic in that process. But to the point
of the postgame part of it was I don't want
to talk about it. It's like all the other players

(12:41):
that were asked about coaches getting fired or their job stability,
you know, too soon. I'm just hearing about this right.
We had that from Nevada, we had that with Cleveland,
Shador Sanders. I'm just hearing about it. I don't know,
I don't know how to write. Lamar is like we
just lost, I mean deflection as opposed to no, we
need to run it back, we need to fix what's wrong,

(13:04):
and so you leave it hanging in the balance. But
for all of it, it was a loser leaves town match.
And firmly believe that whether you know, with Pittsburgh it
might have been a more mutual parting of the ways,
but in this case, yeah, you're done. A lot of
questionable decisions made, the roster ill constructed, and this is

(13:25):
where we get into all, right, how much does he
pick the groceries? Offensive line had its issues going away
from Derrick Henry if key points of big games huge,
Lamar Jackson banged up and still fighting through. It's like
we talked about with Joe Burrow, guys that want to
be on the field. Otherwise they could have shut it down, right,
It would have been very easy the way things were going.
Remember they were one in five going into the buy.

(13:48):
Who'd they come out and play and beaten that? After
that bye week, the Bears and the run game and
a couple of big plays in the passing game. But
all of that to say, you know, for for John Harbaugh,
I mean, eighteen years is the hell of a run.
And we've seen it in the past. I know, the
equivalents of Andy Reid's been out there and from his

(14:09):
time with the Eagles and then moving on and becoming
the chiefs legend that he was. But for John Harbaugh, yeah,
it's time new voices, new ways of doing business. And
he'll be curious with Bishati who'd done it before. Eventually
you move.

Speaker 1 (14:25):
On exit at about a Fresca exit Swollen Dome. Jason
Smith Mike Carman live from the Fox Sports Radio studios.
I mean, had to happen, had to happen, had to happen.
I'll trade Amaron Glenford for John Harbaugh. But you know,
we don't need to trade him anymore. Just good by
the way Kickers let him go. Coming up next, one

(14:45):
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Speaker 1 (15:46):
I realized the Mats were never gonna be right, and
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That's all I can say day, and you'd say no.
I can say, Hey, win a game, just win one game,
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my best friend Mike Harmon. I'm standing up in the studio.

(16:09):
Uh a bit of positivity Tuesday. I'm gonna give you
right here. Yeah, okay, good, we'll go good, We'll get
to the big NFL story in a second. But most
of the day today spent by people looking at the
new Avengers Doomsday trailer that came out right and I'm
not spoiling this because this is a trailer.

Speaker 3 (16:30):
Did you get the real one of the AI one
that was going.

Speaker 1 (16:32):
Around the Eye where the coaches shake hands at the
end and then they they then they break each other.

Speaker 3 (16:37):
It was kind of an extension.

Speaker 1 (16:39):
The X Men will return in Avengers Doomsday. The entire
trailer is Patrick Stewart and Ian McKellen playing chess, a
very old magneto and then the end it's you got
James Martin and his cyclops and his eyes just explode.
You want to know, and I've said this from the beginning,
what's going to save the MCU, Because as great as

(17:01):
the first four phases were, this last fifth phase that
was the last few years has been awful. The multiverse
was was in a complete bomb. You're you're getting apathy
for the entire entirety of the future of the MCU.
The X Men were always the more popular comic book.
They were always more popular than the Avengers, and they

(17:21):
hit it right. The casting for the Avengers was great.
It was the right time for comic book movies to
blow up, but the X Men was always more popular.
And I've always said, after this, you can't keep giving
me Avengers, and aren't the Avengers. The Avengers is Iron
Man and Captain America and the Hulk and the Black
Widow and Hawkey. It's not some sort of crazy ass
Dungelebolt combination and new Captain America and new and she

(17:45):
Hulk coming in whatever it is like the Avengers of
the Avengers. Right, This casting was so good that these
who everybody is? Right, Sam is the Falcon and and
and Chris Evans is Captain America and Tony Stark and
that's Robert Downey Junior. Now they're gonna redo this with
Doctor Doom, which I'm interested to see. But you can't
just say, Okay, we're gonna give you the Avengers light, right,

(18:06):
you gotta give me, Okay, who were the Avengers here?

Speaker 2 (18:09):
Right?

Speaker 1 (18:09):
You got to give me Sam Jackson and introducing everybody
and going through to you give me that that's the Avengers.

Speaker 3 (18:14):
Right.

Speaker 1 (18:15):
I always said, when the X Men get into the MCU,
that is what's going to restart the MCU, because that's
gonna be the new Avengers franchise, because again, they were
always more interesting, they were more fun. The story they
can tell, the allegories back with you know how mutants
were treated back in the sixties and seventies. That will
play today. This is what everybody's gonna be waiting for.

(18:38):
And I liked it. They're doing a slow rollout because
the Sony X Men movies they were okay, Like I
liked a lot of them, and I could still see
halle Berry as Storm, like I'd love to see that again, right,
who wouldn't. And but this is what's gonna restart. It's
not gonna be about the Avengers and what's going for
We're not gonna make John try Krazinski into coming into
It's gonna be the X Men. You can't make the
Fantastic Four happen because a fantas before we're kind of boring.

(19:01):
But the X Men, Wolverine, Cyclops, the dynamic, the fighting
over Phoenix, all of this, that's what's going to jumpstart
the next era of the MCU. When the X Men
come in out, Suddenly that's gonna be the big money
maker and they're gonnay, okay, maybe no more Avengers movies.
Now for a little bit, we're gonna go with the
X Men. Well, it's good to see Marsden come back.
He's been in a bunch of stuff. Shows up in

(19:22):
all the holiday rom coms that I sat around and watch. Sure, kids,
I think they were surprised. You want me to be
sure this isn't a joke like you want.

Speaker 3 (19:30):
Me to bet. Okay, you don't watch twenty seven dresses
every holiday season. He used to be down the street.
I used to run into his fantasy league at the
bar down the road watching football. But all of that
to say, it's you know Jackman forever. Look up Jade
Cargill Storm. She's a wrestler who's used that look a
little bit. Okay, maybe she takes over. I'm good for

(19:52):
halle Berry. Absolutely, let's let's go. But for the X Men,
you talk about comic book sales, you talk about interest,
merch and everything else. Yeah, this is how you resurrect
it because they all had a smart ass approach to it, right,
A lot of snark that play in today's quick clip
social media world. Those those movies are twenty five years old. Yeah,

(20:14):
I mean it's a long time. That's a long time now.
I mean, this is this is the story that's going
to be told. That's why I'm excited about Doomsday because
I wonder if we're going to do these two Doomsday
Avengers movies, and they're going to introduce a lot of
new characters into the MCU.

Speaker 1 (20:27):
The Secret Wars it's the movie coming after that. They're
going to introduce a lot of characters. So I wonder
if that's going to be their way of, Hey, we're
kind of putting a bow on the Avengers because we've
tried to make it work, you know, in different ways
coming off of the end of Endgame, and it just
hasn't worked right.

Speaker 3 (20:41):
Well I can say is if you disparage the good
name of Florence Pugh again, you and me are Look.

Speaker 1 (20:46):
Look, look hey, Black Widow one of the more underrated
movies in the end. I love Black Widow. It was
just it was a difficult time. It wasn't you know.
You had all the fights with with Scarlett Johansson over
the movie coming out and then the payment and then
it was going to be made. It was tough, right,
was still like the back end of the Pandemic. But
that was a very underrated movie. But again, the Avengers

(21:06):
of the event. I love Florence Peugh, I love Florence Pier,
I love Whyatt Russell like I love, but they're not
the Avenger. The Avengers are so iconic, but they got
all the casting right with everybody from Sam Jackson intro
when Sam Jackson introduced the event. Yes, this is it man,
this is Nick Bleep and Fury Man, this is He's
the guy. Chris Evans is Captain America. Right, you can't

(21:28):
give us, you can't give us a version of something
that's not quite as good as what it was before. Right,
Because it's the reason why spring football doesn't do well.
Because while I get the best football in the history
of the world every fall from September until the middle
of February, am I gonna watch a lesser football in
the spring?

Speaker 6 (21:47):
No?

Speaker 1 (21:47):
I'm not, because I'm already seeing the best level of
competition I can see, like you say, and it's for
anybody in movies like these got these are these characters,
and to try to make them into different things or
give us additional characters from the outside you want to
make work. Yeah, it's just not the same, it really,
it just isn't the same, you got you got really

(22:08):
lucky hitting it with big with all those characters and
now and and look and Sam Jackson being the the
go through on all of it. Brilliant, right, brilliant that
he's the he's the go between all the way through it.
He's fantastic.

Speaker 3 (22:19):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (22:19):
But to try to say, Okay, we're gonna make it
work a little bit differently, yeah, I'm not the same.
You need the stars, you need the people that have
been out there and and if it's not Sam Jackson
and Robert Downey Junior and Chris Evans, and it's it's hard.
It's hard to say, Okay, these are the guys, right,
and all the way through down the roster, right, you
want to go through all of them.

Speaker 3 (22:37):
And it's and it's and it's Sam, and it's.

Speaker 1 (22:39):
Bucky and all. Yeah, that's great. I mean that that
would be great because that's who these characters are. And
and to try to figure out I feel like they're
just throwing stuff up against the wall trying to see
what sticks. And for the most part it still did
pretty well. I mean the box office and residents. Do
they get quoted the same, No, did they sell the
cable the same? Way, no do you do you necessarily

(22:59):
know who's that actor? And he was in the Marvel universe.
Wait he showed up?

Speaker 3 (23:04):
Where was he?

Speaker 1 (23:04):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (23:05):
All right, Oh he was in Secret Wars for a minute.
Oh good, yeah, good Sam Jackson leading the charge there.
But but all of that to say, you know, in
the absence of you know, Filet Mignon, you're going to
take some ground.

Speaker 1 (23:17):
Chuck, ground chuck. And now I just think of the Seahawks.
They were ground Chuck, Chuck Knox the offensive ben They
ran the ball with Kurt Warner.

Speaker 3 (23:27):
The first orner with the sea.

Speaker 1 (23:28):
Yeah, the good one, oh eighty nine.

Speaker 3 (23:35):
Yea, look what you did there?

Speaker 1 (23:37):
So big in the NFL today, And look, this is
going to be difficult, and I really you know, look,
I want everybody to listen, but I really hope my
wife's family is not listening. So today the Lions parted
ways with John Morton, their offensive coordinator.

Speaker 2 (23:52):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (23:53):
This felt inevitable when midway through the season he was
stripped of his plate calling duty. So if you're not
the OC and you're calling you're not calling plays, what
kind of few do you have? Dan Campbell started calling
the plays. Things got better a little bit. But in
the end, the Lions underachieved out of the playoffs.

Speaker 2 (24:09):
I know that.

Speaker 1 (24:10):
Look, I know that in theory, their offensive line was
dinged up, right, it was it was hard, right. You
lost a couple of guys, You lost a couple of guys.
You lost one guy to retirement you thought was coming back.
He didn't come back. You had some offensive line flux.
And there is a little bit of twenty twenty one
Chiefs in there where, Hey, if you go out and
spend money on the offensive line in the offseason and
you're making things a little bit easier for your offense,

(24:32):
you're back, right, You're back. You need that physicality because
that today rand teams over to go. No further look
at the year David Montgomery had right like Jamior Gibbs,
it's it's, you know, home run guy, one of the
more most talented running backs in the game, top two,
top three player. But it worked when they had Sonic
and Knuckles and Montgomery need needing more space, needing more holes.

(24:53):
You know, he's kind of a one cut and go guy.
You saw that. You know, he quite didn't have the
same impact on the games, and that can be traced
to the fact that their offensive line was banged up.
It wasn't the same. They weren't as physically imposing as
they are now. All that being said, it seems like
it's a quick step back for the Lions. It's not.
They're on a three year decline. They hit it really big,

(25:15):
really quickly, because all of their young talent came together
and they were half from the super Bowl. Then they
were favorites to get to the super Bowl and they
couldn't get passed a quick deficit against the Commanders and
the playoffs never got past that. I don't know they've
ever gotten past that loss, to be quite honest. This
year and now this year they fall to not they

(25:36):
are on a three year decline from where they went
where where the first year record wise, it wasn't quite
the same, but first year NFC Championship game. Second year
they lose the first playoff game. This year they're barely
five hundred and they missed the playoffs. This window for
the Lions is closed. And it seems weird to say this,
but it's I kind of feel like they're almost too

(25:59):
high high power offensively, and some of that is preventing
them from spreading some money around defensively and elsewhere where
they need to, because they have a lot of weapons
and you simply can't use them all. Right, I think
part of a paralysis by analysis with the Lions offense because, okay,

(26:19):
when they first came about, right when the Lions first
got good, what was their offense? Aman Rossaint Brown was
a star, he's becoming a star receiver. Okay, great, and
you had David Montgomery was your number one running back
and Jamier Gibbs coming in. You're expecting big things from him,
but it was clearly Montgomery's backfield gives a change of pace. Guy. Okay,
Over the course the next couple of years, what happened.

(26:41):
They draft Jamison Williams, he sits a year because of
the injury. He comes in, he's a guy that needs
the football. You get lucky with Sam Laporta comes in
as a rookie. Wow, best tight under the NFL in
fifteen years, and this year you weren't even starting him
in fantasy the last half of the season. There's so
many choices on the Lions offense now, it's hard to
keep everybody happy and productive and satisfied. There's too many

(27:04):
mouths to feed, right, because now you have Okay, Jamiir
Gibbs is the guy, and he was great, but now
David Montgomery offensive line issues. He wasn't as great. Jamison
Williams got that big contract, but does he really affect
the game some Every other game has two receptions for
twenty five yards? Right, I'm on, Ross Saint Brown's a star.
Sam Laporter was great his first year, disappeared a second year.

(27:26):
Sometimes there's a thing is having too much talent when
it comes to you got to keep guys in the
flow of the game, be able to contribute, be able
to stay in a positive frame of mind, and have
a plan offensively of saying this is what we're going
to do, because if you have two possessions, we haven't
gotten the ball. I'm on Ross Saint Brown. I guess well,
we got to force the ball to him now because

(27:46):
he hasn't seen the ball in the last twelve plays.
Why is he not seeing the football? Jamier gives him
an out of the game now for the last two drives.
He's got to get back in the game. We got
to get him the football. When there's a lot of
mouths to feed, sometimes you can lose your flow offensively.
Ben Johnson was able to handle it for the most part,
but now moving out John Morton, now they couldn't handle it.
If I'm the Lions, I try to find a way

(28:08):
to say, Okay, could I make it work with Isaac
Teslaw as my second receiver?

Speaker 3 (28:13):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (28:13):
If I have a little bit deeper at number two,
number three, four receivers behind, I'm on ross any Brown, Okay,
Jamison Williams is a luxury.

Speaker 3 (28:21):
Right?

Speaker 1 (28:21):
Is Sam Laporte is still a great tight end? Or
was he a guy that had a great rookie year
because of the offense he was in and now and
they could stop him, He's not that great anymore. Right, Like,
there's a lot of things I think the Lions need
to do, but they're gonna stick with this offensive corps
because clearly, why wouldn't you because you have all this talent.
But I really think there's too much in there. And
the offense was so much stop and go over the

(28:43):
course of the season because you couldn't really flow. You
didn't really have Your identity is your identity? We run
the football great, we throw the football grade. What's your superpower?

Speaker 4 (28:51):
Right?

Speaker 1 (28:51):
What do we do well? We're a full service offense. Well,
not quite, because you saw games where a lot of
these guys were not playing well, and you scored ten
points less a game this year, then you had more
talent than you've ever had in theory. So it's weird
to say that, but I feel like a little bit
less if you had a little bit more linear view
of the offense saying this is where we go with

(29:12):
the football. These are our top two or three guys,
because look at teams that win the Super Bowl. It's
not teams that come in with a we got guys
you can't cover all over the field. It seems, hey,
we have a number one running back, you have a
star wide receiver, we have a really good tight end.
That's what we do right offense, Like, that's what it is.
We have two good wide receivers, we go to them, right,
we throw the ball with them. That's kind of what
we do. We run the ball, we have to. We
have a dual threat quarterback that we'll run a little bit,

(29:33):
but we don't really run the ball that much. It's
so much offensively for the Lions. I feel like you
pare down a little bit and that would make things go,
but they're not gonna do that because they're gonna stick
with this talent and try to make it work again.

Speaker 3 (29:45):
Yeah, I mean, you had a bunch of things. And
I'll get to the punchline in a minute, because there
is one with this story. I'm sorry the guy lost
his job, but well let's go to his history in
a minute. But you're looking at I mean, Laporta was
little involved in spots, required to block a bit more.
Then he had to have a backie out of me.

(30:05):
What's he come back as like? You don't know. You
look at the offensive line, Well, they were hamstrung at
draft time because they thought Ragnow was coming back and
instead he's got to disappear as of June, right, and
that was the end, and he was going to try
to make the heroic comeback, but he had a Grade
three rip his leg right, so that doesn't work. Defensively,

(30:27):
you didn't have any depths, so you started to have
attrition in the back seven and it didn't work. Aiden
Hutchinson's there and you've got a couple of pieces on
your defensive line, but your back seven was just rife
with injuries and there was nothing there, so you were
able to just attack from much of the game. But
a lot of it starts with the offensive line. And
I know people want to go after Jared Goff as

(30:49):
it's low hanging fruit. And was he great consistently, No,
but still had a very good season overall. To your point,
you know, to pick your poison and try to make
sure every but he's getting fed in the offense. A
bit tougher for David Montgomery if you're not gonna go
the full lean in game with him. He's not a
guy that three or four carries are gonna do it. No, right,

(31:11):
it's not that Traveon Henderson. Oh it's his first carry
at the day, he's off Rady. No, he's like the
Derrick Henry. It's the slow all right, Carrie twelve. He's
beating the hell out of you. The offensive line is
getting a little bit of road grading going on, and
then all of a sudden, the junk yardage is there. Meanwhile,
Jamir Gibbs, as a runner or a receiver, can hit
you at any time. Now back to mister Morton, I

(31:33):
think the Lions to a degree went with the old
X jet now good philosophy, as he was once upon
a time. Their coordinator went through Vegas and thought they
were gonna come clear out the other side. Yeah, and
instead this is what you got.

Speaker 1 (31:50):
Exit op out of Fresca, exit swallow up again. A
bit of an off the beaten path, take on the
lines and you think about trying to satisfy so many
miles on offense. You can't get in that flow that
you were in.

Speaker 2 (32:01):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (32:01):
Timea to find out what's trending in the wide world
of sports. Macguy, Yes, who always.

Speaker 3 (32:12):
Has see you know, I get to say him.

Speaker 1 (32:15):
He always finds a way to feed all our mouths
here at Fox Sports Radio. It's Steve de Seger.

Speaker 7 (32:23):
Well, we've got a lot to get to We'll start
with the NFL. The Baltimore Ravens fired coach John Harbaugh.
His team just missed the playoffs after losing at Pittsburgh
and Sunday Night season finale. He was under contracts through
twenty twenty eight. The Giants and others are expected to
be interested. The Giants are due to talk to Kevin
Stefanski on Wednesday. By the way, the Titans will reportedly
interview Jason Garrett for their head coach opening later this week,

(32:46):
and five others, including Stefanski. The Lions fired offensive coordinator
John Morton after one season. Detroit went nine and eight,
missing the playoffs. Dallas fired defensive coordinator Matt Eberflus after
one year. Washington fired its offensive and defensive coordinators Cliff
Kingsberry and Joe Witt. Junior Rams wide receiver DeVante Adams
was a full participant in today's walk through. He missed

(33:07):
the last three games with a hamstring injury. The Rams
activated safety quint In the Lake.

Speaker 3 (33:12):
Bears.

Speaker 1 (33:12):
Wide receiver Roma Doonze was limited at walkthrough with a
foot injury, as was wide receiver DJ Moore with a
knee injury. The Packers will start quarterback Jordan Love this
weekend and the playoffs.

Speaker 3 (33:22):
Quarterback Clayton Toon was cut.

Speaker 7 (33:23):
Malik Willis is expected to be the backup QB despite
a bad shoulder. Falcons quarterback Kirk Cousins restructured his contract
who he could be a free agent this year. Ohio
state wide receiver Carnele Tate declared for the NFL draft.
Washington QB Demon Williams says he will transfer, although he
did sign a deal with Washington just last week. The

(33:44):
college football playoff semi finals are Thursday and Friday in
the NBA's late game early third quarter at Sacramento. The Kings,
who've lost five straight, are leading Dallas fifty eight to
fifty three. Keigan Murray, Kings forward will miss at least
three to four weeks with the sprain d At Memphis tonight,
Grizzlies guard Ja Moran was out with a calf injury.
Memphis had twenty turnovers and still beat Sacramento one o

(34:07):
six one oh five victor Wiben Yama. The Spurs came
off the bench and in twenty one minutes had thirty
points After the hyper extended knee Dearon Fox had the
lost four of eighteen shooting from the floor. Minnesota and
Washington EAH one. Cleveland sent Indiana to a thirteenth straight loss,
won twenty to one sixteen. Lakers won at New Orleans
won eleven one oh three. Pelicans have lost state straight.

(34:29):
Number two. Michigan edge Penn State seventy four to seventy two.
Duke came back to win at Louisville. Kansas came back
for an overtime win against TCU. Houston beat Texas Tech
Women's hoops. Oregon with a fourth quarter comeback. Won at
Number twenty one, USC seventy one sixty six, NHL Islanders nine,
Nothing Over, New Jersey.

Speaker 3 (34:47):
Back to you, Thank you, Cevo.

Speaker 1 (34:49):
Jason Smith Mike Harmon live from the Fox Sports Radio
Studios coming up next. You know, there's the old saying, Hey,
the champagne is on ice for a team or a
play who's about to hit a big milestone? How about
someone who's had the champagne on ice now for thirteen games.

(35:11):
That's next, Jason and Mike Fox Sports Radio.

Speaker 2 (35:14):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Jason Smith
Show with Mike Harmon weekdays at ten pm Eastern, seven
pm Pacific, Fox Sports Radio.

Speaker 1 (35:22):
The Jason Smith Show with my best friend Mike Harmon.
We'll get back into the biggest story in the NFL
coming up in a few minutes. Some new details coming
in on the firing of John Harbaugh. But uh, there's
that old phrase of Okay, the champagne's on ice. You know, yeah,
you know, we hear about this. You see something like

(35:42):
this when you're waiting for someone to celebrate a moment
in history. A guy waiting for his three thousand tick.
You never know when it's gonna come, Is it gonna
be the next game. Is it gonna be four games
from now, five hundreds home run? Is it gonna be
the next night? It could be a week from now.
You never know, and that's gonna happen.

Speaker 3 (35:58):
You're up three to one in a World Series and
something bad had start dropping fly ball, right, But you
count that.

Speaker 1 (36:04):
We don't know when this moment's gonna come, but we're
ready to celebrate it when it does. We sort of
understand that it's gonna be a little bit of time.
But if a guy's got fournite ninety nine home runs,
I'm pretty sure he's gonna hit a home run sometime
in the next week. When you have nine hundred and
ninety nine career wins in the NBA, no matter what
kind of year you have, it, you gotta think they, well, Okay,
won nine hundred and ninety nine games, my thousandth win.

(36:26):
It's gonna come sometime the next few days. We're not
having a great year, but it'll come in the next year.
Oh yeah, on December eighth, way back in twenty twenty five.
That's a long time ago. Rick Carlisle one game number
nine hundred and ninety nine of his NBA career, right,
now obviously not a great year for the Pacers because

(36:47):
coming off the injury to Tyres Halliburton, maybe he's the
NBA MVP And I'm only being half kidding with that. Okay,
so not our year, but sometime the next week, er
few whatever. Not a great year, I'll get that win.
Number one thousand will celebrate, big milestone for me.

Speaker 3 (37:04):
Sure.

Speaker 1 (37:05):
After losing to the Cavaliers tonight one twenty to one sixteen,
a game in which the Cavs weren't even at full
strength because Donovan Mitchell had the day off coming. Hey,
we're gonna even the day off, man, It's all right,
We're good. Uh. The Pacers have now lost thirteen in

(37:26):
a row, and Rick Carlisle has been stuck at nine
hundred and ninety nine career wins since December eighth, again
of twenty twenty five.

Speaker 3 (37:39):
So what's up on the schedule next? What do we got?

Speaker 1 (37:41):
His next chance to play is Thursday, which would it's
at Charlotte, So maybe the six and thirty one Pacers
can win that game. After that, you got the Heat
at home, you got the Celtics at home, the Raptors
at home, then you got New Orleans at home, then
you're at Detroit. So maybe Thursday against Charlotte might be

(38:05):
your best chance to get that win. And I say maybe,
any I mean, maybe that's your best chance to get
to win. But you are now going to be a
full month in between wins in the NBA, And I mean,
and think about what that's like. For Hey, it's a
lost season. We're terrible, we're gonna be in the lottery.
I want to get some kind of joy. But thirteen

(38:26):
games in a row and you can't get the number
one thousand thirteen. This is like the Jets trying to
get to win number one.

Speaker 3 (38:34):
Well, and this one's a four point loss, so it
hurts that much more because you've been getting blown out
a bunch.

Speaker 1 (38:39):
Right, this team is not good, dude, you've won six
games all year.

Speaker 3 (38:42):
No, no, no, but there's one thing to be Hey,
we're at least competitive.

Speaker 2 (38:46):
They're not.

Speaker 3 (38:48):
Right, and Haliburton, as you say, could be the MBB
shows up a more WWE events, then he's gonna be
able to play basketball games this year. But they're giving
up one hundred and forty year, one hundred and forty
Like it's just a miserable experience and slow This truly
is one of the great streaks in NBA history.

Speaker 1 (39:07):
Leven Stone stuck at nine ninety nine.

Speaker 3 (39:10):
But you go through this schedule. You played a thirteen
win Charlotte squad here next, when did they play the
Knicks next?

Speaker 6 (39:18):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (39:19):
You know we actually had to win. I want to
say we played the Yeah, you got them in February,
and that's.

Speaker 6 (39:24):
What I know.

Speaker 1 (39:24):
We play I remember playing them when Rick Carlisle had
nine ninety nine, Like, if if we.

Speaker 3 (39:29):
Lose this because he's had nine ninety nine for a year, no.

Speaker 1 (39:32):
No, no, But when we played him right before Christmas,
and I want to say, man, if he gets his
south and to win against Knicks, that's exactly what I
need for the Pacers to get another leg up against
the Knicks, right, But the Knicks won that game, Like, okay, good,
he's not going to get it against us Yeah, it's
been almost a month since.

Speaker 3 (39:47):
He gets his seventh win of the year against us
Man and the Knicks. They won that game by a point.
Oh we pulled that game out team.

Speaker 1 (39:57):
It was so nu I'm like, if I have another
thing in a last season for the Pacers for them
to say, yeah, well, look we always have the Knicks
when things are going back.

Speaker 3 (40:04):
Okay, so do we see them tanking on Thursday so
they can try to win it at home.

Speaker 1 (40:10):
Against a team that's actually one But you gets a.

Speaker 3 (40:12):
Game, well, you have four straight home games, I mean Miami, Boston, Toronto,
by New Orleans, I mean maybe New Orleans maybe. But
the Pelicans are flying around. They lost to the Lakers tonight,
but they had some some jumps.

Speaker 1 (40:27):
They're eight and thirty. They're but they're at least exciting.
That might be the next game they're favored is against
the Pelicans. Yeah, it's what a great streak. Sorry great
streaks and NBA exit albouta Fresca exit Swollen Dome coming
up next. New details emerging on the firing of John Harbaugh,
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