September 19, 2023 • 32 mins
Jason Smith tells you why Kenny Pickett is no longer in preseason form. And Browns coach Kevin Stefanski announced running back Nick Chubb is out for the season with a significant knee injury.
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Monday Night games finishes off with a Steelers twenty six
twenty two win. We spent the last few minutes talking
about Deshaun Watson. Look at this point, he's just a guy.
Karma there, Yeah, Karma, you gave that guy all that
money and he is just a guy. We'll get to
Kenny Pickett in the second because Kenny Pickett is less
than just a guy. Kenny Pickett is terrible. He's a winner, terrible.
(01:13):
Kenny Pickett and Zach Wilson are the same bleeping guys.
They the same day, except Welza Will threw a couple
more picks in the fourth quarter. They each had one
play today, each had one. Zach had one play on Sunday.
Kenny Pickett had one play today. Kenny Pickett is not
good and and Steelers fans just want to find ways
to prop him up. Well, what about that drive in
week fourteen ago when we won he was playing quarterback?
(01:36):
You know you would have won more games somebody else
playing quarterback. Okay, quarterbacks come in and they flash, Okay,
let's screw it, let's take anything. But nobody made him,
nobody crowned him.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
No, no, no, no, no, no, no no.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
Nonny Pickett is great, and there's a lot it was.
It was about he's getting better. No, no, that's not
getting better.
Speaker 4 (01:55):
Not throwing interceptions, isn't getting better in the.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
NFL interceptions stating the game support stats of points on
the board, and okay, well I'm not throwing interceptions. Okay, no,
we're not scoring, but oh we're not throwing inceptions. Oh Okay,
I get a lot of guys to not throw a pick. True,
you can't throw a football anymore. You you can't throw
a football more than two feet. To me, I can
do it once. I'm not as good as I once was,
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but damn it, I got one throw in me. I
could put you out there and you would throw a pass.
It would be a duck. It would land, and I
would say, well, it wasn't a pick. Kind of like
t bow at this dock. Don't don't confuse not throwing
picks with improving as a quarterback.
Speaker 4 (02:32):
That's not but the decision making.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
You're not forcing a throw, you're not putting the ball
in harm's way.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
Is there the other side of that to where you're
not trying to drive the ball but you're just making
excuses for him? Quarterbacks have to make plays. It is, yes,
But the point was that league. But as a rookie,
it's the did you show improvement?
Speaker 3 (02:50):
Yes? And then you have the off season and you're
assuming some level of progression. I don't know that anybody
crowned him. You just looked at the raws store around him,
kind of like we did with the Jets, and and
what we continue to do for Zach Wilson's the same
analysis roster a round and is pretty good. As long
as he doesn't throw up on himself, they should win
their share of games.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
It doesn't mean he's he's any good, he's any good
roster around Kenny. No, he's not even a middling guy
like he's in the bottom three or fourth quarterbacks Wilson
in the league.
Speaker 4 (03:23):
Kenny Pickett is right there.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
He may be one tiny step above Zach Wilson because
he doesn't throw as many picks as Zach Wilson does,
but he doesn't get the team in the end zone.
Kenny Pickett is not good.
Speaker 4 (03:33):
Okay, yeah, can they stop for feeding the ball? Last fight?
Can good?
Speaker 1 (03:38):
Either man? He's not good either get the ball. Let's
go a dynamic and not because I have him of
my fantasy teams. No, but look, Kenny Pickett, you talk
about the NBA is a maker miss league. Right, The
NBA is a maker miss league. Rights. Pretty You can
say a lot of different things, comes down to it
is a make or miss league. When you're a quarterback,
you're it's a make or miss league. You either make
plays or you're done. And Kenny Pickett does not make plays.
Speaker 4 (04:02):
He doesn't. He's not.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
He's a first round pick that has been given the
keys to an offense that has pretty decent playmakers around him,
and they should he should be better than he can.
Speaker 4 (04:13):
If he was better than he was, if he was
better than he.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
They would be scoring more. He would flash a little bit.
There's been no flashing for Kenny Pickett's big flash for
seventy score and what one play he had? One play,
Zach Wilson play. Can we talk about Matty mettcat offensive coordinator?
Speaker 3 (04:29):
Not great, He's not great.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
But Kenny Pickett is still not accurate, hold onto the
football way too long, and this is this is not
this is not something that has gotten better in the offseason. Yes,
he looked great in the preseason, and the one thing
I said was, Okay, I told you Kenny Pickett stinks.
But in the preseason he did look like he had
a little more command over the offense. I gave him that.
But now let's see what happens when the footballs fly
for real. And what happens now he's still wildly inaccurate.
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He still holds out of the ball way too long.
He's thrown and when he has guys. Why if he
had guys open tonight, he hit them right like Pickens
is wide open. Guys that were wide open hits. But
when he's got to get that ball in a tight window,
he skips it. Yeah, but he gets to play the
Raiders next played. What what we're supposed to be coming
into the year. Two of the best defenses in the game, right,
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this was the brown Brown's defense is okay, Browns defense
is all. You got a disrupt her, you've got You've
got guys up. And when you talk about Denzel, talk
about you be talking about the first gear at your
first game. You're playing at home, first games at home.
A little bit more than than you had. That was
better than the Shawn Watson tonight.
Speaker 4 (05:34):
Uh yeah, he was.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
You show as many interceptions as Deshaun Watson, as many
turnovers as de Shaun Watson. But it doesn't mean but
it doesn't matter when not not turning the ball over
doesn't mean you are good. You can't be that. You
can't quarterback. If the long road begins with the first step,
he's Jason your definition. You said Zack Wilson is good
and I never said that.
Speaker 4 (05:58):
I said Zach.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
Wilson was the best choice for the Jets right now.
Doesn't mean I like the choice, but it was the
best choice. If someone says to me, what do you what?
Do you want to cut off my hand? Or do
I kill the guys? If someone said to me, what
what do you want for dinner? Do you want like
a really snale piece of pizza that you can't warm up?
Speaker 4 (06:18):
Or do you want what?
Speaker 1 (06:20):
Or do you want whatever Alex Tischer brought for dinner,
I would say, well, I guess I'll have the pizza.
Speaker 4 (06:24):
It's not a great choice, but it's still the best.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
Sure, it's a hell of a cook.
Speaker 4 (06:27):
What are you doing? Does a cook anything?
Speaker 1 (06:28):
He's everything raw, j you can't cook anything. Take all
the vegetable, all the all the vitamins come. I don't
like nothing.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
What did you say, shashimi, sashimi, sashimi.
Speaker 4 (06:38):
Sashimi, shushimi. I don't think that's under that. I don't
think you can say that I did.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
You can't say shazam andhimi sam chazzezi.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
Yes, none of that is. I just like the extra.
It's because it's clutch. Shut up.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
Like I did the fan this week, and I just
say I said to her I said, you know, if
I was ever in a movie, I would want to
play a guy with a Russian accent, so I could
say a last name like Shushtakovich, Like I just want
to say Shustakovich, shust the Covich.
Speaker 4 (07:10):
Well, you could be.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
Lad if they ever bring back that that movie or
that show. Uh guy from the EA Street Band.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
Was it Winning Time?
Speaker 4 (07:19):
Winning Time?
Speaker 1 (07:20):
No?
Speaker 3 (07:20):
No they can't.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
They killed that off and they ended it with a
Lakers loss and a slide show. Really, really, that's what
you do winning time. Look, it's also should be Kenny
Pickett is not good. You can prop them up and
look at a lot of people wanted to get into
with me all off season on in my timeline about
Kenny Pickett. No, Kenny, but look at the growth. No,
the growth was in the last five weeks. He stopped
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throwing interceptions and the Steelers won some games. But you're
a quarterback. You cannot be a zero S guy a quarterback.
You have to be a playmaker. Kenny Pickett's not a playmaker.
He's not He's not a playmaker. He's not someone who
is ever going to break the top fifteen quarterbacks in
the NFL and the longer that the Steelers decide we
gotta stick with him, the longer it's gonna be. Hey,
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we're limited as a team. You need somebody that can
make plays. And I know you know you don't want
to be the guy replacing a legend with Roethlisberger winning
the Super Bowls and going through, but somebody's got to
do it. But man, I'll tell you you have a
good enough defense, you have enough players in theory on
offense that you should be able to be a little
bit better. And Kenny Pickett just slides by because hey,
the Steelers win about half their games. Steelers don't finish
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under five hundred, so that's a thing. So you can
always look at it as boy, we just need that
little bit next year. But the Steelers need honestly, you
know what they need more than they need a five
and twelve season so they can go, boy, this stinks.
We gotta move on because sometimes when you have those seasons,
oh we're nine and they were doing have five or seasons, Uh,
you still think.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
You spend you spend your time, made you twelve wins, yeah,
or you think.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
The solution is just a minor, a minor tweak here
and there, and you put all your improvement into this
season into Kenny Pickett improving. Well, I'm sorry. The guy
didn't flash at all when he was a rookie. I
told Zach Wilson did not flash at all as a rookie.
How good are you going to be? Even Trevor Lawrence
as bad a rookie years he had, he had a
couple of games where he flashed.
Speaker 4 (09:07):
You get it right away.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
You can tell about a quarterback very early on and
cany Pickett, someone who has been dragged along, and we're
gonna continue to prop you up like you're really good,
and Steelers Nation is gonna find some kind of way
to say, see, we won the game. He didn't make
as many mistakes. That's not how you win. You don't
win in the NFL by saying my quarterback didn't make
as many mistakes as the other one. You win with
your quarterback making plays. That's how the league is. It's
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a make or miss league for quarterbacks. Well, part of
it is where our benchmarks are in Week two. It's
the you didn't make a lot of mistakes, You didn't
make as many egregious errors as the guy across the field.
Speaker 3 (09:40):
We won the game, succeed and proceed. Now we start
talking about winning in January, well, then yeah, obviously we
need that leap if we're gonna start putting him up
against the Juggernauts, assuming Miami's healthy and still rolling, assuming
Baltimoreson can somehow still cobble together twenty two guys to
play with the number of guys that are on their
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injury list already, go on down the line, Cincinnati off
to an zero and two start, and Joe Burrow where
you're not going to Burrowhead because they're gonna have to
rename it because he ain't gonna have brow. They're gonna
be there and playing at this point broad But I mean,
look at the rest of the AFC, right, You've got
a buffalo. Assuming they they're there, you're gonna have to
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score points. So yeah, the long term is you really
need to step this up. Week two, you got a
w succeed and proceed.
Speaker 4 (10:31):
It's but it's the same. It's the same.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
He was bad Week one, he was bad Week two,
but you happen to win. So Steelers fans and the
organization can go forward thinking, oh, we're just about to
turn the corner. No, no, you don't just say he's
not just suddenly gonna be.
Speaker 3 (10:43):
They still be having all of these conversations behind the
scenes of we really need more out of this guy.
And part of it, again is a giant spotlight. You
know you're gonna get the needle kind of conversation with
Matt Canada as to at some point you've got to
figure out some way to break this offense open as well.
But he's been three years with this guy and you're
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averaging what nineteen points a game. It's not all on
the quarterback. Like once we get to year three, it's like,
this is all my system can bring you.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
Yeah, we don't get a lot of explosive plays. Well,
look watching Kenny Pickett play. Just take tonight for example,
and really, you know we're doing the show as we're watching.
But all the pass plays that Kenny Pickett completed, he
had receivers who were opened by a couple of years.
The Pickens touchdown, he didn't get touched. Now it was
a huge breakdown by the Browns defensively. He doesn't get
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touched his other big passes because Pickens caught four passes
for about one hundred and ten yards, a couple of
times he found him. Pickens is open, there's no other
defensive back near him. The plays where he struggles are
the plays that make you a good quarterback.
Speaker 4 (11:46):
It's a make or miss league.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
When you have to throw the ball into a tight window,
he skips it on the ground or he overthrows it.
So these are the plays that you need to make.
You know, anybody can be a quarterback. If my wide
receiver is open, hey I can Hey, you're open by
five yards. I can throw that ball there. Kenny Pickett
can't do that, and and he holds onto the ball
way too long and winds up scrambling trying to get
himself in and out of trouble.
Speaker 4 (12:06):
And that's what he makes, bad decisions.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
He's not good when he's got a adjust on the fly.
These are things that make a quarterback good. These are
things that push a quarterback from Hey, he's a guy
in the bottom two thirds of the league too. Oh,
this guy's a pretty good upper level, upper half of
the league quarterback. He doesn't make any of those plays.
I've not seen one where look at that ball, Kenny
picket through. Tell me there's one play. Look at that ball,
Kenny Pikett through where he hummed that in there. It
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hissed in between two defenders and he found Pat Fryer Muther,
he found George Pickens, who was really covered. He put
it in the great there's none of those. When guys
are open, he can hit them.
Speaker 4 (12:39):
Great.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
You know what, even Zack Wilson at guys were open.
It's when you can throw it in. Zack Wilson's boy
in this conversation way too much.
Speaker 3 (12:45):
You're really bringing him back in way too much.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
But but I am gonna say that's that's that's that's
something that's easily seen for Picket going forward. And it's
still gonna be hey, one in one, prop him up.
You keep fooling yourself, keep yourself out. I'm not propping
anything up. It's a game to game. I don't know
what I'm gonna get, right, Do I get one or
two jail breaks like this that I'm feeling pretty good.
They also had a call that was one of the
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more quizzical of Week two on I catch, I don't
even really really set or do a football move that
gets ruled a turnover, and when the official gets on
the mic, he's like, yeah, that's an interception.
Speaker 3 (13:22):
It's like the hell are we talking about? And then
they fumble it ahead twenty yards, So I mean, you've
got some chaos that rolls through and I on the
wait and see. Yeah, just because of the team, Does
that mean he's great? Nope, but you can ride that
wave of ways here in the National Football League.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
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Speaker 3 (13:46):
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Speaker 4 (13:50):
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Speaker 3 (13:52):
They speak a different language, Lilla Hammer, Burrowhead.
Speaker 4 (13:55):
Did they speak Little Hammer in Burrowhead? They speak Burrowhead
in Lilla Hammer? With the Olympics in Lilahea.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
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eighty eight, No eighty four, No eighty eight, ninety ninety two,
eighty eight, ninety's just gonna keep guessing for your in No.
Eighty eight or ninety two one to say little ninety four.
So they started to do that whole every two years.
Thing screwed me on that question. It's an illegal question, right,
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there's a legal question. Just make sure Pam knows that
for trivia. Now it's the Kenny Pickett of questions, right there.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
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Speaker 1 (14:33):
Sports Radio The Jason Smith Show with My best Friend
Mike Harmon. Hello, Live from the tirac dot Com studios. Uh.
This in from Kevin Stefanski, Brown's head coach. It's confirmed
Nick Chubb is out for the season. One of the
uglier injuries you will see in the NFL. Unfortunately, it's
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not an injury we haven't seen before. You think about
Willis mcgahey in the Orange Bowl with the Miami Hurricanes
in the second quarter of a game in which Nick
Chubb was dominating, The Steelers had no answer for him
what looked to be a very pedestrian run down to
five yard line. He stops and his leg bends backwards
at his knee, where you would not expect the need
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to bend backwards at It was so difficult. ESPN ABC
wouldn't show the replay. This was what Droy Aikman and
Joe Buck said about it after it happened. He was
taken off on the cart. You can tell Nick Chubb
very emotional. You can find it if you want to.
On social media. People you know, wanted to be able
to repost the repost that's to go. Oh, here's the injury.
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Here's the injury. Here's what it sounded like with the
guys talking about it after it happened.
Speaker 5 (15:45):
One of the best players in the game is being
carted off. And these fans here in Pittsburgh, I mean
so classy. They saw the replay. They groaned when they
saw it. When Chubb got on the cart. They were
channing Chubbs for Nick Chubb and they gave him a
huge ovation as.
Speaker 4 (16:04):
He was carted away.
Speaker 5 (16:05):
Got hit directly on the knee earlier in the game.
Here's the play where Nick Chubb is hurt. The replay
from the other side is not.
Speaker 4 (16:17):
Good to see.
Speaker 5 (16:18):
It's a direct hit by Amenka Fitzpatrick on a planet
left leg right into the knee and his knee just
completely collapsed. Had to get carted off out for the
rest of the night and who knows how.
Speaker 4 (16:32):
Long that was.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
The call on ESPN ABC Tonight from Joe Buck and
Troy Aikman. Now, the one piece of good news is
that Chubb has been released from the hospital. He is
traveling back to Cleveland with the team, so that's good.
But he's done for the season. And here's the rough
part for Nick Chubb. You know you mentioned earlier tonight,
he's the best running back in the NFL and he's
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such a big part of what they do on their offense.
We can break down what it means and we can
get wider with it in a second, but just for
him as a player, this is the second time he's
had a devastating knee injury. First time happened a long
time ago, so you want to think, Okay, it happened
when he was in college, and it was you know,
he was rebuilt, all right, and he's twenty eight now,
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but he is nearing the end of his run as
a star running back in the NFL. Looked, what happens
you get to thirty, it's how it goes a lot
of miles, yeah, I mean a lot of carrier. He's
one of the last guys exactly now because of this,
Like I don't know if he'll be on a football
field again, because, as Jordan Schultz tweeted out earlier tonight,
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NFL Insider knee dislocation, worried about many ligaments that are hurt,
and the fact that he's twenty eight by the time
he comes back. Can he come back in a year?
Can he come back for next year? Is he going
to be the same guy? Is he need two years
to come back? By the time he comes back, he's
thirty and he's not the same running back that he was.
This is a guy again, as talented as he is.
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And look from that most average fell fan to the
biggest fantasy football fan there is. They know Nick Chubb
is your number one running back. He's your guy. He's
your guy, he's the guy. He's the best pure running back.
It's very difficult for a time like this to see
a guy who people also they talk about with with
great things and a lot of things he does off
the field. He's got a great reputation, and your heart
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breaks for a guy like that where because now you're
looking at is he even gonna have any more career
in the NFL? Because look for Aaron Rodgers being thirty
nine can talk about coming back from with a torn
achilles and Okay, I think that's great, but your body
has something else to say. You have no control over
that part of it. That's the same part here. You
know he's gonna want to come back, but I don't know,
Man twenty eight. This kind of injury, it sucks, but
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that's the reality.
Speaker 3 (18:42):
Well, the other part though, is in it's the unfortunate
cruelty of the game, is that a quarterback with Aaron Rodgers'
history is going to be giving it every opportunity to
come back and play, to earn his money, continue change
his game as he needs to. Right, he that move
latterly like he used to, and that was already part
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of the game that was starting to wane before this injury.
But now you look at for Nick Chubb and we
talk about the plight of running backs and I use
plate not not with too much sarcasm, but I think
we played too many violins for them. I mean, still
making a nice wage, it's just the window is shorter.
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And yes, you guys signed a terrible CBA that allows
for the team control whatever. But this is again, like
we talk about all the time, the strata and the
variance of the league, of the long tail of the
guys that are in for a cup of coffee to
one to two years and then guys like Rogers, Brady
and the others that are there for twenty years, right,
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and then there's a lot in the middle that have
different concerns consideration, which is why you would ratify these
things because you're not thinking about one position group. You're
thinking about the whole, right, and trying to make sure
everybody's taken care of. But you know, for Nick Chubb,
that's the problem is that, yes, he'll have a chance
to come back, but the guarantees and the money and
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everything contractually they had to get out already in the
deal after this year. So now it's the all right,
you got to work to get back, and you've got
to prove it, and you're gonna come back on a
smaller whatever veteran incentive laden deal will be that all
the history, all of the great years that you've had
since the last injury, I mean, those are a footnote
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to what the next chapter can be because you're not
getting paid based on any pass glory at this point. No.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
And that's where this topic gets bigger because this is
now through week two of the NFL. JK Dobbins is
out for the year right now. Nick Chubb is out
for the year.
Speaker 4 (20:53):
SA Kwon.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
Barkley's out at least three ish weeks with an ankle spring.
David Montgomery is out and he has had a couple
of pretty.
Speaker 4 (21:02):
Good weeks until he got him.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
Austin Eckler already missed Sunday's Week two and who knows
when he's gonna come back to play again. These are
all some of the top running backs, all number one
running backs, not guys who we're splitting time we're doing.
These are all number one running backs. And to have
this come at a time where running backs, hey, what
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do we do to get paid? Right the whole off
season of the conference calls and what do we do
to get paid?
Speaker 4 (21:29):
And how do we how do we wind up doing this?
Speaker 1 (21:32):
This is the other part that sucks about it for
for running backs is that there's no way out. Because look,
when we talked about it, I remember saying the only
way for running back to get paid is to ball
out and stay healthy and go year toy waiting. But
you got to get through that initial rookie yes, and
get through that rookie contract because it's not, how n
not a great contract because you're not getting drafted high
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in the first round unless you're Bejon Robinson and still
you have to worry because it's not all it's it's
not a uh, this is money that is that is
life changing and it helps every mindy.
Speaker 3 (22:03):
Well, well it is if you're good steward of it.
But it's not that notty check it once was, yeah,
well the big second one.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
Yeah, so it's not. So you're you're not getting that
kind of that kind of money. And and to get
through that and get to that second contract is very difficult,
and the best way to do it is if you're
a star player, is to go year to year and
ball out and stay healthy. That's all you have to
hope for because you will get money. If you're a
star player, you will get money. You'll get you'll get
money for a year and then okay, we'll keep you
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for another year, another year, another year, and as long
as you're healthy, you wind up making that. But the
big thing is staying healthy. And that's why this sucks
is because with all of this happened, now through two weeks,
you're seeing almost a third of the running backs in
the NFL. And oh, by the way, I remember Jonathan
Taylor is out still out on the pup list and
he's fighting for a contract contract.
Speaker 3 (22:51):
You know, how healthy is he versus how much is
just a contract play.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
All owners are saying now is see, this is why
we can't pay running because they can't stay healthy.
Speaker 4 (23:01):
And as the sucky part, because I get that part
of it. They don't want to pay a player who
can't play. I get it.
Speaker 1 (23:05):
But at the same time, it's boy, there's no other
way out for running backs. And if you thought, hey,
if we had a bunch of running backs this year,
that we're able to stay healthy and produce, and after
this year, maybe open up some purse trains a little bit, Okay, well,
well you don't want to pay him, We'll pay him
for a couple of years. We'll pay this guy here
for a couple of years. We'll go here, we'll go here.
(23:27):
It's not happening now, because all owners are saying is yep,
there patting themselves on the back, going this is why
we don't pay running backs because the chance they have
of getting injured is too great, even when they're young,
even when they're still in their prime. Get nothing is
helping them. And that's why there's no way out for
running backs. As you mentioned, the bad deal they took
seven more years until they can figure out that better
(23:47):
way to pay running backs, right, No.
Speaker 3 (23:48):
More years now they're trying to do the Florida state thing.
We want out. It's like a contracts till twenty thirty six. Well,
in this case, it's just another seven years. But I
mean that's two life cycles of running backs if we
do the average three years and how many come in,
Get a cup of coffee, Maybe get a run for
a couple of weeks here with some of these injuries,
(24:09):
and then go away, right, and Ford had a huge game,
huge run comes in place of Nick Chubb. What's what's
his shelf life, Mike? And how long can afford really last?
Speaker 4 (24:19):
Though?
Speaker 3 (24:20):
It's you know what, there's a lot of folks in
the Midwest that are not happy with.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
DJ Maybe Ford truck come on, no maybe wait wait, wait, no,
I got a good one because this could this this
can no, no, this gets two storylines into one sentence.
Speaker 4 (24:38):
That's a good one.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
Maybe maybe Ford trucks could be rammed tough, and maybe
you could be looking at Green Acres coming your way
and a Ford driving.
Speaker 4 (24:50):
Out to the west coast. Djdy, that's good on the trademark.
Speaker 1 (24:59):
You get you get came Akers, and it was clear
why he was debated, sure confused as to why his
coach doesn't like him, even though Sean McVay said, we
were very clear, We were very clear. Well I understand
way that I know, but that hey, that's the first thing. Seriously,
that's the first team that's going to call the Rams
to go, hey, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait
a minute. Uh, what do you want for camp Akers?
Speaker 4 (25:17):
No?
Speaker 3 (25:17):
I mean you have to right at this point, you
at least have to acquire I'd also be trying to
get as much of a backstory of what's transpired with
cam Akers going back to the beginning of last year,
because remember he was in the doghouse, He was on
the was.
Speaker 4 (25:29):
Away from the team.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
But that's it.
Speaker 3 (25:30):
He was gone from the team at the start of
last year, and then all of a sudden it becomes
a pivotal cog. You have the injury mixed there and
like all of that stuff, it's like, okay, what what
is he? What's going on behind the scenes that has
this fracture. But through two weeks of the NFL season,
you have thirteen players that have averaged sixty rushing yards
(25:51):
per game sixteen thirteen. Yeah, thirteen, I mean that that's
nothing right. It's because we look at the to get
you to the thousand yard rushing mark, that's not much.
So we're already in the diminished returns based on workloads splits.
Now we have one of the true bell cows go
down with an injury. Ever shifting owners and gms looking
(26:16):
around on this is it, you know, and more data
points to support. And there was a grievance today about
the holdouts and hold ins and everything else about feigning
injury you know, during the preseason and ramp up to
the to the season. I don't know how you prove it.
I don't know where you find the subruter filmed to
(26:36):
help corroborate things, but certainly that's the last thing you
need is more potential labor on rests surrounding this by
throwing out more lawsuits and getting into legal ease. Two
weeks into a season.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
Life for running backs, believe it or not, just got
incredibly more difficult after the Chub injury tonight. You didn't
think again would get tougher, but absolutely got tougher.
Speaker 4 (26:57):
Amazing.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
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Speaker 1 (27:05):
We are not talking about Deon Sanders right now. We're
not talking about Dean. We have d On next hour, Yeah,
we next hour. Deon's a big deal. Everything going on
is a big deal.
Speaker 4 (27:15):
You see my new haircut. It's a big deal.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
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friend Mike Carmon.
Speaker 4 (27:21):
You want to talk about the Bears? Were talking about
the Bears?
Speaker 1 (27:23):
Instead, talk about how great the Bears are, Oh, how
awesome they are, and how you allowed me to be
led down a road of thinking the Bears were actually
gonna be decent by just not saying anything.
Speaker 3 (27:33):
Look, I was the old man on the porch telling
you not to go into the woods, not to go
to that campground.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
I reversed the roles this time. Have you ignored me?
Speaker 1 (27:43):
Said I'll take that for three cokes and a bag
of chicken, and I'm going down this road.
Speaker 3 (27:49):
Get out of my way.
Speaker 4 (27:51):
Why am I taking three cokes of the big chicken?
Speaker 3 (27:56):
Is it raw? Chicken's wrong?
Speaker 1 (28:02):
For a bucket? If you can go to a bucket
three goods, then that kind of goes straight through chicken.
Speaker 4 (28:08):
How much for a bag? How much? What denomination?
Speaker 1 (28:11):
You sell your chickens? Then we sell by the bag.
You want a bag of chicken? Like it's wrong, you
get chicken.
Speaker 4 (28:15):
You want to bag?
Speaker 3 (28:16):
How I would do it?
Speaker 4 (28:17):
You get a bag of chicken with a head in it.
It's a little bit less than a bag of chicken
without it.
Speaker 3 (28:20):
You get more legs in this one because it's all
by the bag.
Speaker 4 (28:24):
It's all a bag of chicken. I'm gonna get a
bag of chicken?
Speaker 3 (28:27):
Point is you with your own damn fault? Because I
explained it to you how poor and how poorly that
offense was going.
Speaker 5 (28:35):
It was.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
It was, it was bad. You could have done a
little bit better job, though. But I digress because I
want to ask this question because here's a we know
we're getting another couple of weeks of dual Monday night game.
Speaker 3 (28:46):
Yeah we are.
Speaker 4 (28:47):
Now hopefully they're better than you know, pants.
Speaker 3 (28:50):
Still football, Yeah no, yeah, I got It's like chicken
and nocturnal activities. I sometimes done in the morning. Even
if it's bad, it's good.
Speaker 4 (28:58):
Bag of chicken. Seven fifteen kickoff eight to fifteen kickoff?
Speaker 3 (29:06):
Uh huh.
Speaker 4 (29:08):
I liked it.
Speaker 3 (29:09):
Staggering, and I liked it.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
Yes, I in theory, I guess I would have liked
a four to thirty kickoff and a seven thirty kickoff.
But the NFL is saying, why are we kicking off
at seven thirty? That's half the country's not gonna watch
the game. Why are we physic Why why are we
doing that on purpose? Notice how that's gone right? Now,
that's all gone right. We're not gonna kick off just
for the West coast?
Speaker 4 (29:29):
Why?
Speaker 1 (29:30):
Because it doesn't help us And lots of sports are
figuring that outs. Why you see kickoff tip offs for
NBA playoff games on the West Coast at six o'clock? Now,
why not seven? Yeah, people can't get home from work. No, no, no, no,
we don't care about people get home from work. We
got to make sure people on the East Coast are
watching games. But I gotta say, I don't mind it.
I don't mind getting the end of one game and
then the beginning of another. All right, I got the
(29:51):
seven to fifteen kickoff, Okay, you're kicking off something, that's fine,
and then you're getting me the eight to fifteen kickoff
an hour later, so I can see the vast majority
of whatever game I want to watch, and I can
watch the end of the first game and then not
have to worry about missing the end of the second game. Okay,
I might go a little bit. I might be a
little bit happier with it. Say it's a seven to
fifteen and then an eight thirty, just because tonight's game
(30:14):
happened to be long, right.
Speaker 3 (30:15):
Yeah, I mean you had so you could have had
that gage of circumstance that made this thing drag out.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
For maybe another fifteen minutes of game of time between
kickoff would give you enough chance. Okay, just in case
something happens, we can watch the end of the first
game and not have to worry about missing any of
the fourth. I could watch the whole fourth quarter the
last game. I don't mind this. I initially thought. I said, Oh,
I like the four thirty seven thirty, This fourteen five fifteen.
Speaker 4 (30:38):
I thought it was fine.
Speaker 1 (30:39):
I liked it.
Speaker 3 (30:39):
I got no problem with it. And stagger them and
give me two games a week if this helps in
the processing. And I guess we go through the wear
and tear, travel schedules, all those things that we moan
and complain about, and we total up travel time and
everything else through the year. If this works and this
(31:00):
is something that the NFLPA can get behind a little bit,
why not. Why not? I mean, you got a full
slate on Sunday, grabbing one game and throwing it into
the Monday night window. There's always something special about it, right,
like having if you had a second Sunday night game
instead of you know, eight in the early window. Why
(31:23):
don't we always have to have eight or nine games
right off the jump?
Speaker 4 (31:27):
Yeah, Sunday nights.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
I think if I had to go through two Sunday
night games, that would be too much for me because
I want to sit back and go, Okay, here's where
Fantasy ended.
Speaker 4 (31:34):
Here's what I need.
Speaker 1 (31:35):
I want to read about what went on in the
late games and go and if I have to keep
track of one game, that I could watch one game
on my iPad while I'm keeping track of everything, but
to try to watch two games and no, no, no,
I I after the games are over, I need to
read about what was said and what was said here
No Monday. So on Monday, no, because I would have
looked and say, okay, who had big days? They had
(31:57):
to look at picking up in fantasy you had a
lot of touches. We had a lot of targets here.
I want to see what was said. Did somebody get hurt?
What they want to want to I want to go
game by game, but to keep track of two games
a little bit more, a little bit on Sunday night.
Just give me the one game. Let me relax a
little bit on Sunday night. Give me the one big
I mean the.
Speaker 3 (32:10):
Sunday game was too competitive this time. I didn't get
to trun out in the first quarter last week. Man,
I really really had to stay up and and and
fight the sandman a little bit because I'd been up
all day from getting in early here at Fox Sports.
Speaker 1 (32:24):
The Dolphins had to do in the second half. We
had a little bored there in the second half. Fights.
Speaker 4 (32:29):
What guys?
Speaker 3 (32:30):
We get two games next Monday Night too.
Speaker 4 (32:32):
We get the Eagles at Bucks and the Rams at
the Bengals. I thought the Jets are replacing both of them.
Speaker 3 (32:39):
Prime Time the Rams and the Bengals.
Speaker 1 (32:43):
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Why Deshaun Watson should not have been allowed to finish
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Monday Night games finishes off with a Steelers twenty six
twenty two win. We spent the last few minutes talking
about Deshaun Watson. Look at this point, he's just a guy.
Karma there, Yeah, Karma, you gave that guy all that
money and he is just a guy. We'll get to
Kenny Pickett in the second because Kenny Pickett is less
than just a guy. Kenny Pickett is terrible. He's a winner, terrible.
(01:13):
Kenny Pickett and Zach Wilson are the same bleeping guys.
They the same day, except Welza Will threw a couple
more picks in the fourth quarter. They each had one
play today, each had one. Zach had one play on Sunday.
Kenny Pickett had one play today. Kenny Pickett is not
good and and Steelers fans just want to find ways
to prop him up. Well, what about that drive in
week fourteen ago when we won he was playing quarterback?
(01:36):
You know you would have won more games somebody else
playing quarterback. Okay, quarterbacks come in and they flash, Okay,
let's screw it, let's take anything. But nobody made him,
nobody crowned him.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
No, no, no, no, no, no, no no.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
Nonny Pickett is great, and there's a lot it was.
It was about he's getting better. No, no, that's not
getting better.
Speaker 4 (01:55):
Not throwing interceptions, isn't getting better in the.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
NFL interceptions stating the game support stats of points on
the board, and okay, well I'm not throwing interceptions. Okay, no,
we're not scoring, but oh we're not throwing inceptions. Oh Okay,
I get a lot of guys to not throw a pick. True,
you can't throw a football anymore. You you can't throw
a football more than two feet. To me, I can
do it once. I'm not as good as I once was,
(02:18):
but damn it, I got one throw in me. I
could put you out there and you would throw a pass.
It would be a duck. It would land, and I
would say, well, it wasn't a pick. Kind of like
t bow at this dock. Don't don't confuse not throwing
picks with improving as a quarterback.
Speaker 4 (02:32):
That's not but the decision making.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
You're not forcing a throw, you're not putting the ball
in harm's way.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
Is there the other side of that to where you're
not trying to drive the ball but you're just making
excuses for him? Quarterbacks have to make plays. It is, yes,
But the point was that league. But as a rookie,
it's the did you show improvement?
Speaker 3 (02:50):
Yes? And then you have the off season and you're
assuming some level of progression. I don't know that anybody
crowned him. You just looked at the raws store around him,
kind of like we did with the Jets, and and
what we continue to do for Zach Wilson's the same
analysis roster a round and is pretty good. As long
as he doesn't throw up on himself, they should win
their share of games.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
It doesn't mean he's he's any good, he's any good
roster around Kenny. No, he's not even a middling guy
like he's in the bottom three or fourth quarterbacks Wilson
in the league.
Speaker 4 (03:23):
Kenny Pickett is right there.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
He may be one tiny step above Zach Wilson because
he doesn't throw as many picks as Zach Wilson does,
but he doesn't get the team in the end zone.
Kenny Pickett is not good.
Speaker 4 (03:33):
Okay, yeah, can they stop for feeding the ball? Last fight?
Can good?
Speaker 1 (03:38):
Either man? He's not good either get the ball. Let's
go a dynamic and not because I have him of
my fantasy teams. No, but look, Kenny Pickett, you talk
about the NBA is a maker miss league. Right, The
NBA is a maker miss league. Rights. Pretty You can
say a lot of different things, comes down to it
is a make or miss league. When you're a quarterback,
you're it's a make or miss league. You either make
plays or you're done. And Kenny Pickett does not make plays.
Speaker 4 (04:02):
He doesn't. He's not.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
He's a first round pick that has been given the
keys to an offense that has pretty decent playmakers around him,
and they should he should be better than he can.
Speaker 4 (04:13):
If he was better than he was, if he was
better than he.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
They would be scoring more. He would flash a little bit.
There's been no flashing for Kenny Pickett's big flash for
seventy score and what one play he had? One play,
Zach Wilson play. Can we talk about Matty mettcat offensive coordinator?
Speaker 3 (04:29):
Not great, He's not great.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
But Kenny Pickett is still not accurate, hold onto the
football way too long, and this is this is not
this is not something that has gotten better in the offseason. Yes,
he looked great in the preseason, and the one thing
I said was, Okay, I told you Kenny Pickett stinks.
But in the preseason he did look like he had
a little more command over the offense. I gave him that.
But now let's see what happens when the footballs fly
for real. And what happens now he's still wildly inaccurate.
(04:53):
He still holds out of the ball way too long.
He's thrown and when he has guys. Why if he
had guys open tonight, he hit them right like Pickens
is wide open. Guys that were wide open hits. But
when he's got to get that ball in a tight window,
he skips it. Yeah, but he gets to play the
Raiders next played. What what we're supposed to be coming
into the year. Two of the best defenses in the game, right,
(05:14):
this was the brown Brown's defense is okay, Browns defense
is all. You got a disrupt her, you've got You've
got guys up. And when you talk about Denzel, talk
about you be talking about the first gear at your
first game. You're playing at home, first games at home.
A little bit more than than you had. That was
better than the Shawn Watson tonight.
Speaker 4 (05:34):
Uh yeah, he was.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
You show as many interceptions as Deshaun Watson, as many
turnovers as de Shaun Watson. But it doesn't mean but
it doesn't matter when not not turning the ball over
doesn't mean you are good. You can't be that. You
can't quarterback. If the long road begins with the first step,
he's Jason your definition. You said Zack Wilson is good
and I never said that.
Speaker 4 (05:58):
I said Zach.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
Wilson was the best choice for the Jets right now.
Doesn't mean I like the choice, but it was the
best choice. If someone says to me, what do you what?
Do you want to cut off my hand? Or do
I kill the guys? If someone said to me, what
what do you want for dinner? Do you want like
a really snale piece of pizza that you can't warm up?
Speaker 4 (06:18):
Or do you want what?
Speaker 1 (06:20):
Or do you want whatever Alex Tischer brought for dinner,
I would say, well, I guess I'll have the pizza.
Speaker 4 (06:24):
It's not a great choice, but it's still the best.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
Sure, it's a hell of a cook.
Speaker 4 (06:27):
What are you doing? Does a cook anything?
Speaker 1 (06:28):
He's everything raw, j you can't cook anything. Take all
the vegetable, all the all the vitamins come. I don't
like nothing.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
What did you say, shashimi, sashimi, sashimi.
Speaker 4 (06:38):
Sashimi, shushimi. I don't think that's under that. I don't
think you can say that I did.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
You can't say shazam andhimi sam chazzezi.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
Yes, none of that is. I just like the extra.
It's because it's clutch. Shut up.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
Like I did the fan this week, and I just
say I said to her I said, you know, if
I was ever in a movie, I would want to
play a guy with a Russian accent, so I could
say a last name like Shushtakovich, Like I just want
to say Shustakovich, shust the Covich.
Speaker 4 (07:10):
Well, you could be.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
Lad if they ever bring back that that movie or
that show. Uh guy from the EA Street Band.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
Was it Winning Time?
Speaker 4 (07:19):
Winning Time?
Speaker 1 (07:20):
No?
Speaker 3 (07:20):
No they can't.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
They killed that off and they ended it with a
Lakers loss and a slide show. Really, really, that's what
you do winning time. Look, it's also should be Kenny
Pickett is not good. You can prop them up and
look at a lot of people wanted to get into
with me all off season on in my timeline about
Kenny Pickett. No, Kenny, but look at the growth. No,
the growth was in the last five weeks. He stopped
(07:41):
throwing interceptions and the Steelers won some games. But you're
a quarterback. You cannot be a zero S guy a quarterback.
You have to be a playmaker. Kenny Pickett's not a playmaker.
He's not He's not a playmaker. He's not someone who
is ever going to break the top fifteen quarterbacks in
the NFL and the longer that the Steelers decide we
gotta stick with him, the longer it's gonna be. Hey,
(08:02):
we're limited as a team. You need somebody that can
make plays. And I know you know you don't want
to be the guy replacing a legend with Roethlisberger winning
the Super Bowls and going through, but somebody's got to
do it. But man, I'll tell you you have a
good enough defense, you have enough players in theory on
offense that you should be able to be a little
bit better. And Kenny Pickett just slides by because hey,
the Steelers win about half their games. Steelers don't finish
(08:25):
under five hundred, so that's a thing. So you can
always look at it as boy, we just need that
little bit next year. But the Steelers need honestly, you
know what they need more than they need a five
and twelve season so they can go, boy, this stinks.
We gotta move on because sometimes when you have those seasons,
oh we're nine and they were doing have five or seasons, Uh,
you still think.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
You spend you spend your time, made you twelve wins, yeah,
or you think.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
The solution is just a minor, a minor tweak here
and there, and you put all your improvement into this
season into Kenny Pickett improving. Well, I'm sorry. The guy
didn't flash at all when he was a rookie. I
told Zach Wilson did not flash at all as a rookie.
How good are you going to be? Even Trevor Lawrence
as bad a rookie years he had, he had a
couple of games where he flashed.
Speaker 4 (09:07):
You get it right away.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
You can tell about a quarterback very early on and
cany Pickett, someone who has been dragged along, and we're
gonna continue to prop you up like you're really good,
and Steelers Nation is gonna find some kind of way
to say, see, we won the game. He didn't make
as many mistakes. That's not how you win. You don't
win in the NFL by saying my quarterback didn't make
as many mistakes as the other one. You win with
your quarterback making plays. That's how the league is. It's
(09:29):
a make or miss league for quarterbacks. Well, part of
it is where our benchmarks are in Week two. It's
the you didn't make a lot of mistakes, You didn't
make as many egregious errors as the guy across the field.
Speaker 3 (09:40):
We won the game, succeed and proceed. Now we start
talking about winning in January, well, then yeah, obviously we
need that leap if we're gonna start putting him up
against the Juggernauts, assuming Miami's healthy and still rolling, assuming
Baltimoreson can somehow still cobble together twenty two guys to
play with the number of guys that are on their
(10:00):
injury list already, go on down the line, Cincinnati off
to an zero and two start, and Joe Burrow where
you're not going to Burrowhead because they're gonna have to
rename it because he ain't gonna have brow. They're gonna
be there and playing at this point broad But I mean,
look at the rest of the AFC, right, You've got
a buffalo. Assuming they they're there, you're gonna have to
(10:21):
score points. So yeah, the long term is you really
need to step this up. Week two, you got a
w succeed and proceed.
Speaker 4 (10:31):
It's but it's the same. It's the same.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
He was bad Week one, he was bad Week two,
but you happen to win. So Steelers fans and the
organization can go forward thinking, oh, we're just about to
turn the corner. No, no, you don't just say he's
not just suddenly gonna be.
Speaker 3 (10:43):
They still be having all of these conversations behind the
scenes of we really need more out of this guy.
And part of it, again is a giant spotlight. You
know you're gonna get the needle kind of conversation with
Matt Canada as to at some point you've got to
figure out some way to break this offense open as well.
But he's been three years with this guy and you're
(11:03):
averaging what nineteen points a game. It's not all on
the quarterback. Like once we get to year three, it's like,
this is all my system can bring you.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
Yeah, we don't get a lot of explosive plays. Well,
look watching Kenny Pickett play. Just take tonight for example,
and really, you know we're doing the show as we're watching.
But all the pass plays that Kenny Pickett completed, he
had receivers who were opened by a couple of years.
The Pickens touchdown, he didn't get touched. Now it was
a huge breakdown by the Browns defensively. He doesn't get
(11:32):
touched his other big passes because Pickens caught four passes
for about one hundred and ten yards, a couple of
times he found him. Pickens is open, there's no other
defensive back near him. The plays where he struggles are
the plays that make you a good quarterback.
Speaker 4 (11:46):
It's a make or miss league.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
When you have to throw the ball into a tight window,
he skips it on the ground or he overthrows it.
So these are the plays that you need to make.
You know, anybody can be a quarterback. If my wide
receiver is open, hey I can Hey, you're open by
five yards. I can throw that ball there. Kenny Pickett
can't do that, and and he holds onto the ball
way too long and winds up scrambling trying to get
himself in and out of trouble.
Speaker 4 (12:06):
And that's what he makes, bad decisions.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
He's not good when he's got a adjust on the fly.
These are things that make a quarterback good. These are
things that push a quarterback from Hey, he's a guy
in the bottom two thirds of the league too. Oh,
this guy's a pretty good upper level, upper half of
the league quarterback. He doesn't make any of those plays.
I've not seen one where look at that ball, Kenny
picket through. Tell me there's one play. Look at that ball,
Kenny Pikett through where he hummed that in there. It
(12:30):
hissed in between two defenders and he found Pat Fryer Muther,
he found George Pickens, who was really covered. He put
it in the great there's none of those. When guys
are open, he can hit them.
Speaker 4 (12:39):
Great.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
You know what, even Zack Wilson at guys were open.
It's when you can throw it in. Zack Wilson's boy
in this conversation way too much.
Speaker 3 (12:45):
You're really bringing him back in way too much.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
But but I am gonna say that's that's that's that's
something that's easily seen for Picket going forward. And it's
still gonna be hey, one in one, prop him up.
You keep fooling yourself, keep yourself out. I'm not propping
anything up. It's a game to game. I don't know
what I'm gonna get, right, Do I get one or
two jail breaks like this that I'm feeling pretty good.
They also had a call that was one of the
(13:10):
more quizzical of Week two on I catch, I don't
even really really set or do a football move that
gets ruled a turnover, and when the official gets on
the mic, he's like, yeah, that's an interception.
Speaker 3 (13:22):
It's like the hell are we talking about? And then
they fumble it ahead twenty yards, So I mean, you've
got some chaos that rolls through and I on the
wait and see. Yeah, just because of the team, Does
that mean he's great? Nope, but you can ride that
wave of ways here in the National Football League.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
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Speaker 3 (13:46):
And it was Stephen van Zant in Lilla Hammer that
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Did they speak Little Hammer in Burrowhead? They speak Burrowhead
in Lilla Hammer? With the Olympics in Lilahea.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
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eighty eight, No eighty four, No eighty eight, ninety ninety two,
eighty eight, ninety's just gonna keep guessing for your in No.
Eighty eight or ninety two one to say little ninety four.
So they started to do that whole every two years.
Thing screwed me on that question. It's an illegal question, right,
(14:20):
there's a legal question. Just make sure Pam knows that
for trivia. Now it's the Kenny Pickett of questions, right there.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
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Speaker 1 (14:33):
Sports Radio The Jason Smith Show with My best Friend
Mike Harmon. Hello, Live from the tirac dot Com studios. Uh.
This in from Kevin Stefanski, Brown's head coach. It's confirmed
Nick Chubb is out for the season. One of the
uglier injuries you will see in the NFL. Unfortunately, it's
(14:56):
not an injury we haven't seen before. You think about
Willis mcgahey in the Orange Bowl with the Miami Hurricanes
in the second quarter of a game in which Nick
Chubb was dominating, The Steelers had no answer for him
what looked to be a very pedestrian run down to
five yard line. He stops and his leg bends backwards
at his knee, where you would not expect the need
(15:18):
to bend backwards at It was so difficult. ESPN ABC
wouldn't show the replay. This was what Droy Aikman and
Joe Buck said about it after it happened. He was
taken off on the cart. You can tell Nick Chubb
very emotional. You can find it if you want to.
On social media. People you know, wanted to be able
to repost the repost that's to go. Oh, here's the injury.
(15:40):
Here's the injury. Here's what it sounded like with the
guys talking about it after it happened.
Speaker 5 (15:45):
One of the best players in the game is being
carted off. And these fans here in Pittsburgh, I mean
so classy. They saw the replay. They groaned when they
saw it. When Chubb got on the cart. They were
channing Chubbs for Nick Chubb and they gave him a
huge ovation as.
Speaker 4 (16:04):
He was carted away.
Speaker 5 (16:05):
Got hit directly on the knee earlier in the game.
Here's the play where Nick Chubb is hurt. The replay
from the other side is not.
Speaker 4 (16:17):
Good to see.
Speaker 5 (16:18):
It's a direct hit by Amenka Fitzpatrick on a planet
left leg right into the knee and his knee just
completely collapsed. Had to get carted off out for the
rest of the night and who knows how.
Speaker 4 (16:32):
Long that was.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
The call on ESPN ABC Tonight from Joe Buck and
Troy Aikman. Now, the one piece of good news is
that Chubb has been released from the hospital. He is
traveling back to Cleveland with the team, so that's good.
But he's done for the season. And here's the rough
part for Nick Chubb. You know you mentioned earlier tonight,
he's the best running back in the NFL and he's
(16:56):
such a big part of what they do on their offense.
We can break down what it means and we can
get wider with it in a second, but just for
him as a player, this is the second time he's
had a devastating knee injury. First time happened a long
time ago, so you want to think, Okay, it happened
when he was in college, and it was you know,
he was rebuilt, all right, and he's twenty eight now,
(17:16):
but he is nearing the end of his run as
a star running back in the NFL. Looked, what happens
you get to thirty, it's how it goes a lot
of miles, yeah, I mean a lot of carrier. He's
one of the last guys exactly now because of this,
Like I don't know if he'll be on a football
field again, because, as Jordan Schultz tweeted out earlier tonight,
(17:36):
NFL Insider knee dislocation, worried about many ligaments that are hurt,
and the fact that he's twenty eight by the time
he comes back. Can he come back in a year?
Can he come back for next year? Is he going
to be the same guy? Is he need two years
to come back? By the time he comes back, he's
thirty and he's not the same running back that he was.
This is a guy again, as talented as he is.
(17:57):
And look from that most average fell fan to the
biggest fantasy football fan there is. They know Nick Chubb
is your number one running back. He's your guy. He's
your guy, he's the guy. He's the best pure running back.
It's very difficult for a time like this to see
a guy who people also they talk about with with
great things and a lot of things he does off
the field. He's got a great reputation, and your heart
(18:20):
breaks for a guy like that where because now you're
looking at is he even gonna have any more career
in the NFL? Because look for Aaron Rodgers being thirty
nine can talk about coming back from with a torn
achilles and Okay, I think that's great, but your body
has something else to say. You have no control over
that part of it. That's the same part here. You
know he's gonna want to come back, but I don't know,
Man twenty eight. This kind of injury, it sucks, but
(18:41):
that's the reality.
Speaker 3 (18:42):
Well, the other part though, is in it's the unfortunate
cruelty of the game, is that a quarterback with Aaron Rodgers'
history is going to be giving it every opportunity to
come back and play, to earn his money, continue change
his game as he needs to. Right, he that move
latterly like he used to, and that was already part
(19:02):
of the game that was starting to wane before this injury.
But now you look at for Nick Chubb and we
talk about the plight of running backs and I use
plate not not with too much sarcasm, but I think
we played too many violins for them. I mean, still
making a nice wage, it's just the window is shorter.
(19:25):
And yes, you guys signed a terrible CBA that allows
for the team control whatever. But this is again, like
we talk about all the time, the strata and the
variance of the league, of the long tail of the
guys that are in for a cup of coffee to
one to two years and then guys like Rogers, Brady
and the others that are there for twenty years, right,
(19:47):
and then there's a lot in the middle that have
different concerns consideration, which is why you would ratify these
things because you're not thinking about one position group. You're
thinking about the whole, right, and trying to make sure
everybody's taken care of. But you know, for Nick Chubb,
that's the problem is that, yes, he'll have a chance
to come back, but the guarantees and the money and
(20:08):
everything contractually they had to get out already in the
deal after this year. So now it's the all right,
you got to work to get back, and you've got
to prove it, and you're gonna come back on a
smaller whatever veteran incentive laden deal will be that all
the history, all of the great years that you've had
since the last injury, I mean, those are a footnote
(20:32):
to what the next chapter can be because you're not
getting paid based on any pass glory at this point. No.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
And that's where this topic gets bigger because this is
now through week two of the NFL. JK Dobbins is
out for the year right now. Nick Chubb is out
for the year.
Speaker 4 (20:53):
SA Kwon.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
Barkley's out at least three ish weeks with an ankle spring.
David Montgomery is out and he has had a couple
of pretty.
Speaker 4 (21:02):
Good weeks until he got him.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
Austin Eckler already missed Sunday's Week two and who knows
when he's gonna come back to play again. These are
all some of the top running backs, all number one
running backs, not guys who we're splitting time we're doing.
These are all number one running backs. And to have
this come at a time where running backs, hey, what
(21:25):
do we do to get paid? Right the whole off
season of the conference calls and what do we do
to get paid?
Speaker 4 (21:29):
And how do we how do we wind up doing this?
Speaker 1 (21:32):
This is the other part that sucks about it for
for running backs is that there's no way out. Because look,
when we talked about it, I remember saying the only
way for running back to get paid is to ball
out and stay healthy and go year toy waiting. But
you got to get through that initial rookie yes, and
get through that rookie contract because it's not, how n
not a great contract because you're not getting drafted high
(21:54):
in the first round unless you're Bejon Robinson and still
you have to worry because it's not all it's it's
not a uh, this is money that is that is
life changing and it helps every mindy.
Speaker 3 (22:03):
Well, well it is if you're good steward of it.
But it's not that notty check it once was, yeah,
well the big second one.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
Yeah, so it's not. So you're you're not getting that
kind of that kind of money. And and to get
through that and get to that second contract is very difficult,
and the best way to do it is if you're
a star player, is to go year to year and
ball out and stay healthy. That's all you have to
hope for because you will get money. If you're a
star player, you will get money. You'll get you'll get
money for a year and then okay, we'll keep you
(22:32):
for another year, another year, another year, and as long
as you're healthy, you wind up making that. But the
big thing is staying healthy. And that's why this sucks
is because with all of this happened, now through two weeks,
you're seeing almost a third of the running backs in
the NFL. And oh, by the way, I remember Jonathan
Taylor is out still out on the pup list and
he's fighting for a contract contract.
Speaker 3 (22:51):
You know, how healthy is he versus how much is
just a contract play.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
All owners are saying now is see, this is why
we can't pay running because they can't stay healthy.
Speaker 4 (23:01):
And as the sucky part, because I get that part
of it. They don't want to pay a player who
can't play. I get it.
Speaker 1 (23:05):
But at the same time, it's boy, there's no other
way out for running backs. And if you thought, hey,
if we had a bunch of running backs this year,
that we're able to stay healthy and produce, and after
this year, maybe open up some purse trains a little bit, Okay, well,
well you don't want to pay him, We'll pay him
for a couple of years. We'll pay this guy here
for a couple of years. We'll go here, we'll go here.
(23:27):
It's not happening now, because all owners are saying is yep,
there patting themselves on the back, going this is why
we don't pay running backs because the chance they have
of getting injured is too great, even when they're young,
even when they're still in their prime. Get nothing is
helping them. And that's why there's no way out for
running backs. As you mentioned, the bad deal they took
seven more years until they can figure out that better
(23:47):
way to pay running backs, right, No.
Speaker 3 (23:48):
More years now they're trying to do the Florida state thing.
We want out. It's like a contracts till twenty thirty six. Well,
in this case, it's just another seven years. But I
mean that's two life cycles of running backs if we
do the average three years and how many come in,
Get a cup of coffee, Maybe get a run for
a couple of weeks here with some of these injuries,
(24:09):
and then go away, right, and Ford had a huge game,
huge run comes in place of Nick Chubb. What's what's
his shelf life, Mike? And how long can afford really last?
Speaker 4 (24:19):
Though?
Speaker 3 (24:20):
It's you know what, there's a lot of folks in
the Midwest that are not happy with.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
DJ Maybe Ford truck come on, no maybe wait wait, wait, no,
I got a good one because this could this this
can no, no, this gets two storylines into one sentence.
Speaker 4 (24:38):
That's a good one.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
Maybe maybe Ford trucks could be rammed tough, and maybe
you could be looking at Green Acres coming your way
and a Ford driving.
Speaker 4 (24:50):
Out to the west coast. Djdy, that's good on the trademark.
Speaker 1 (24:59):
You get you get came Akers, and it was clear
why he was debated, sure confused as to why his
coach doesn't like him, even though Sean McVay said, we
were very clear, We were very clear. Well I understand
way that I know, but that hey, that's the first thing. Seriously,
that's the first team that's going to call the Rams
to go, hey, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait
a minute. Uh, what do you want for camp Akers?
Speaker 4 (25:17):
No?
Speaker 3 (25:17):
I mean you have to right at this point, you
at least have to acquire I'd also be trying to
get as much of a backstory of what's transpired with
cam Akers going back to the beginning of last year,
because remember he was in the doghouse, He was on
the was.
Speaker 4 (25:29):
Away from the team.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
But that's it.
Speaker 3 (25:30):
He was gone from the team at the start of
last year, and then all of a sudden it becomes
a pivotal cog. You have the injury mixed there and
like all of that stuff, it's like, okay, what what
is he? What's going on behind the scenes that has
this fracture. But through two weeks of the NFL season,
you have thirteen players that have averaged sixty rushing yards
(25:51):
per game sixteen thirteen. Yeah, thirteen, I mean that that's
nothing right. It's because we look at the to get
you to the thousand yard rushing mark, that's not much.
So we're already in the diminished returns based on workloads splits.
Now we have one of the true bell cows go
down with an injury. Ever shifting owners and gms looking
(26:16):
around on this is it, you know, and more data
points to support. And there was a grievance today about
the holdouts and hold ins and everything else about feigning
injury you know, during the preseason and ramp up to
the to the season. I don't know how you prove it.
I don't know where you find the subruter filmed to
(26:36):
help corroborate things, but certainly that's the last thing you
need is more potential labor on rests surrounding this by
throwing out more lawsuits and getting into legal ease. Two
weeks into a season.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
Life for running backs, believe it or not, just got
incredibly more difficult after the Chub injury tonight. You didn't
think again would get tougher, but absolutely got tougher.
Speaker 4 (26:57):
Amazing.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
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Show with Mike Harmon weekdays at ten pm Eastern, seven
pm Pacific.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
We are not talking about Deon Sanders right now. We're
not talking about Dean. We have d On next hour, Yeah,
we next hour. Deon's a big deal. Everything going on
is a big deal.
Speaker 4 (27:15):
You see my new haircut. It's a big deal.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
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friend Mike Carmon.
Speaker 4 (27:21):
You want to talk about the Bears? Were talking about
the Bears?
Speaker 1 (27:23):
Instead, talk about how great the Bears are, Oh, how
awesome they are, and how you allowed me to be
led down a road of thinking the Bears were actually
gonna be decent by just not saying anything.
Speaker 3 (27:33):
Look, I was the old man on the porch telling
you not to go into the woods, not to go
to that campground.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
I reversed the roles this time. Have you ignored me?
Speaker 1 (27:43):
Said I'll take that for three cokes and a bag
of chicken, and I'm going down this road.
Speaker 3 (27:49):
Get out of my way.
Speaker 4 (27:51):
Why am I taking three cokes of the big chicken?
Speaker 3 (27:56):
Is it raw? Chicken's wrong?
Speaker 1 (28:02):
For a bucket? If you can go to a bucket
three goods, then that kind of goes straight through chicken.
Speaker 4 (28:08):
How much for a bag? How much? What denomination?
Speaker 1 (28:11):
You sell your chickens? Then we sell by the bag.
You want a bag of chicken? Like it's wrong, you
get chicken.
Speaker 4 (28:15):
You want to bag?
Speaker 3 (28:16):
How I would do it?
Speaker 4 (28:17):
You get a bag of chicken with a head in it.
It's a little bit less than a bag of chicken
without it.
Speaker 3 (28:20):
You get more legs in this one because it's all
by the bag.
Speaker 4 (28:24):
It's all a bag of chicken. I'm gonna get a
bag of chicken?
Speaker 3 (28:27):
Point is you with your own damn fault? Because I
explained it to you how poor and how poorly that
offense was going.
Speaker 5 (28:35):
It was.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
It was, it was bad. You could have done a
little bit better job, though. But I digress because I
want to ask this question because here's a we know
we're getting another couple of weeks of dual Monday night game.
Speaker 3 (28:46):
Yeah we are.
Speaker 4 (28:47):
Now hopefully they're better than you know, pants.
Speaker 3 (28:50):
Still football, Yeah no, yeah, I got It's like chicken
and nocturnal activities. I sometimes done in the morning. Even
if it's bad, it's good.
Speaker 4 (28:58):
Bag of chicken. Seven fifteen kickoff eight to fifteen kickoff?
Speaker 3 (29:06):
Uh huh.
Speaker 4 (29:08):
I liked it.
Speaker 3 (29:09):
Staggering, and I liked it.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
Yes, I in theory, I guess I would have liked
a four to thirty kickoff and a seven thirty kickoff.
But the NFL is saying, why are we kicking off
at seven thirty? That's half the country's not gonna watch
the game. Why are we physic Why why are we
doing that on purpose? Notice how that's gone right? Now,
that's all gone right. We're not gonna kick off just
for the West coast?
Speaker 4 (29:29):
Why?
Speaker 1 (29:30):
Because it doesn't help us And lots of sports are
figuring that outs. Why you see kickoff tip offs for
NBA playoff games on the West Coast at six o'clock? Now,
why not seven? Yeah, people can't get home from work. No, no, no, no,
we don't care about people get home from work. We
got to make sure people on the East Coast are
watching games. But I gotta say, I don't mind it.
I don't mind getting the end of one game and
then the beginning of another. All right, I got the
(29:51):
seven to fifteen kickoff, Okay, you're kicking off something, that's fine,
and then you're getting me the eight to fifteen kickoff
an hour later, so I can see the vast majority
of whatever game I want to watch, and I can
watch the end of the first game and then not
have to worry about missing the end of the second game. Okay,
I might go a little bit. I might be a
little bit happier with it. Say it's a seven to
fifteen and then an eight thirty, just because tonight's game
(30:14):
happened to be long, right.
Speaker 3 (30:15):
Yeah, I mean you had so you could have had
that gage of circumstance that made this thing drag out.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
For maybe another fifteen minutes of game of time between
kickoff would give you enough chance. Okay, just in case
something happens, we can watch the end of the first
game and not have to worry about missing any of
the fourth. I could watch the whole fourth quarter the
last game. I don't mind this. I initially thought. I said, Oh,
I like the four thirty seven thirty, This fourteen five fifteen.
Speaker 4 (30:38):
I thought it was fine.
Speaker 1 (30:39):
I liked it.
Speaker 3 (30:39):
I got no problem with it. And stagger them and
give me two games a week if this helps in
the processing. And I guess we go through the wear
and tear, travel schedules, all those things that we moan
and complain about, and we total up travel time and
everything else through the year. If this works and this
(31:00):
is something that the NFLPA can get behind a little bit,
why not. Why not? I mean, you got a full
slate on Sunday, grabbing one game and throwing it into
the Monday night window. There's always something special about it, right,
like having if you had a second Sunday night game
instead of you know, eight in the early window. Why
(31:23):
don't we always have to have eight or nine games
right off the jump?
Speaker 4 (31:27):
Yeah, Sunday nights.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
I think if I had to go through two Sunday
night games, that would be too much for me because
I want to sit back and go, Okay, here's where
Fantasy ended.
Speaker 4 (31:34):
Here's what I need.
Speaker 1 (31:35):
I want to read about what went on in the
late games and go and if I have to keep
track of one game, that I could watch one game
on my iPad while I'm keeping track of everything, but
to try to watch two games and no, no, no,
I I after the games are over, I need to
read about what was said and what was said here
No Monday. So on Monday, no, because I would have
looked and say, okay, who had big days? They had
(31:57):
to look at picking up in fantasy you had a
lot of touches. We had a lot of targets here.
I want to see what was said. Did somebody get hurt?
What they want to want to I want to go
game by game, but to keep track of two games
a little bit more, a little bit on Sunday night.
Just give me the one game. Let me relax a
little bit on Sunday night. Give me the one big
I mean the.
Speaker 3 (32:10):
Sunday game was too competitive this time. I didn't get
to trun out in the first quarter last week. Man,
I really really had to stay up and and and
fight the sandman a little bit because I'd been up
all day from getting in early here at Fox Sports.
Speaker 1 (32:24):
The Dolphins had to do in the second half. We
had a little bored there in the second half. Fights.
Speaker 4 (32:29):
What guys?
Speaker 3 (32:30):
We get two games next Monday Night too.
Speaker 4 (32:32):
We get the Eagles at Bucks and the Rams at
the Bengals. I thought the Jets are replacing both of them.
Speaker 3 (32:39):
Prime Time the Rams and the Bengals.
Speaker 1 (32:43):
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