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April 12, 2025 36 mins

Jason Smith and Mike Harmon chat with FSR NBA Insider Mark Medina live from Crypto.com Arena as the Lakers lock in the 3-seed with a win over the Rockets. Jason breaks down why Moneyball could never be made as a film now.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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(00:50):
Big night the NBA. Tonight, Nikola Jokicic becomes a third
player ever to average a triple double.

Speaker 3 (00:55):
The Lakers might score one.

Speaker 1 (00:56):
Hundred and fifty in their game against the Rockets and
clinch third place overall. Well, nobody better to talk to
to get all the latest on these stories and more
than a man who is taking time out of covering
the Lakers and the Rockets, which the Lakers lead right
now eighty five sixty eight midway through the third quarter,
Longtime NBA Inside of check him out on Athlon CBS,

(01:17):
Mark Medina on Twitter at Mark g Underscore Medina, what's happening.

Speaker 4 (01:21):
Man, Jason, good to talk to you. Yeah, Lakers Rocket,
I would say that JJ Reddick have passed along his
regards that I don't want to lie to you.

Speaker 1 (01:30):
No, no, no, I know. Look, we know that he
hates me, and we've known this for a while. And
you you told me yesterday. Hey, when I come on
tomorrow night, I have something about the Reddick hating you
us trying to undermine what JJ Reddick is doing with
the Lakers situation.

Speaker 4 (01:45):
Well, look, I may or may not be able to
confirm nor deny that I think JJ Reddick used you
the same way that we Kataci views Nico Harrison those days,
just passing along.

Speaker 5 (01:56):
There you go. You really that bad?

Speaker 3 (02:00):
Oh? Wow? Okay then wow?

Speaker 1 (02:01):
And I've said nice things about the Lakers recently, do okay.

Speaker 3 (02:04):
That's great?

Speaker 5 (02:05):
All right, he's been overly apologetic.

Speaker 4 (02:07):
To come coy And I was trying to, you know,
do my undermining role giving up terrible halftime advice. It's
not working. Because the Rockets are saying all their guys,
I think I've become the way to coach to be
let go just before the playoffs. So I no longer
a part of it.

Speaker 3 (02:23):
Wow, well, hey, it's a big trend.

Speaker 1 (02:25):
Now, hey, fire your coach before the playoffs even gets better.

Speaker 4 (02:28):
Yeah, that's what I can devote more full time to
writing and radio with you all.

Speaker 1 (02:33):
So all right, so here, let's deal with this here first, here,
the Lakers are the big lead over the Rockets.

Speaker 3 (02:38):
They're resting everybody.

Speaker 1 (02:39):
That should be the game where the Lakers clinched the
number three overall seed. I said it a few weeks
ago when the Lakers had a bad run, when you know,
they lost to a couple of teams they shouldn't have
lost to. They got to a point where they just
look bored where they weren't that you know, they had
the energy after the Luca trade. They played incredibly well
for a month. There was no having to get used
to assimilating Luca to the team. He and Lebron looked

(03:01):
like they've been playing together for years now.

Speaker 3 (03:03):
I think they kind of just got bored.

Speaker 1 (03:04):
But they've been ready for the playoffs now for a
good six weeks agreed disagree with that.

Speaker 4 (03:10):
I think there's a little bit of that, but I
think the bigger thing is their defense playing absolutely out
of its mind. That Jackson Hayes looking like an All
Star center kind of came back down to earth a
little bit. But now I think because every single game,
every single night matters in the playoffs, the teams and

(03:31):
Luca did get to face the Dallas Mavericks and see
his friend Nico Harrison, that raised the juice a little
bit more. But I think what this means for the
Lakers entering the postseason, they can be one of those
loud car teams, catch light in the bottle to content
for a title. But I do think that even though
they're going to be a very dominant offense because of Luca,

(03:52):
Dodgers Lebron James, I don't think he's going to have
any injury issues, I do wonder and think that the
Lakers defense will eventually catch up of them in a
seven game series, assuming you know, they play Oklahoma City.
But at least in the first round they'll have home court,
and I think they'll have a pretty favorable matchup.

Speaker 5 (04:10):
Well, who do they want?

Speaker 3 (04:12):
Where?

Speaker 6 (04:13):
Where's the best matchup to get the grease the skids
for this.

Speaker 4 (04:18):
Yeah, it's a good question because I thought that if
they're facing you know, someone like the Memphis Grozlies or
the Minnesota Timberwolves or even the Houston Rockets, you know,
the quote unquote inexperience that those teams have compared to
you know, the Golden State Warriors the Denver Nuggets would
be higher. But I do think that what would be

(04:40):
most favorable would be Minnesota or Memphis or Denver because
they've been this hot mess. I don't think that they
want to see Houston or Golden State in the first
round because you know, Houston's they're a really good defensive team.
They figured out how to beat them in games. But
I do think that you know, Houston is up for
the challenge to at least making them and the Warriors,

(05:02):
you know, I think that they are, you know, heading
on even more cylinders than the Lakers are because the
fit with Jimmy Butler and Stephan Curry has been even
more dominant offensively than even Luken Lebron and defensively they're
on a whole other level. I mean, Draymond dreams back
in the the you know, defensive player of your conversation.
Jimmy Butler is a great wing, so I think there

(05:24):
are a lot more complete defensively. So with all that,
I would say they would most likely lead, they would
least likely want to play the Warriors in the first round,
and everyone else would be kind of a coin flip.

Speaker 1 (05:38):
Well, and also, you know you got to throw out there, Mark,
if a team gets down to zip, they may fire
their head coach just to try to get things going, Like, hey,
they play the war Warriors, might fire Steve Courage to
get things going.

Speaker 3 (05:49):
In the first round.

Speaker 4 (05:50):
Pay You are right, maybe, but I want to be
a replacement because I'm no longer part of the staff. Okay,
you know, maybe they get off to a two oh
start because I'm no longer giving them bad advice.

Speaker 1 (06:01):
Okay, I mean so, but what so let let let
let's before we move on here, because you have a
big MVP so so so you think the hate of
Reddick for me is more than the MAVs fans for
Eco Harrison?

Speaker 3 (06:13):
Wow?

Speaker 1 (06:13):
Okay, then all right, Hey, because I saw that eight
up close, I saw that eight up close, I'll.

Speaker 4 (06:20):
Say this that makes for great content of the sports
talk radio and you know, I do enjoy get a
rise out of here.

Speaker 1 (06:26):
So are there are the Lakers channing Fire Jason in
the locker room playing between Fire.

Speaker 4 (06:32):
Jason and I think I think they're playing the videos
of all the different clips you've had, you know, your
film session. They got a photo up in the locker
room with you know, with dartboard. Yeah, they got all
the worms.

Speaker 6 (06:46):
As long as they keep to the old stuff, because
he's really been really, uh shining them up pretty good
here the last couple of weeks mark with the effort
that they've had. Uh, let's go go do this. The
the MBP, we're just talking about it a little. Shay
Gildas Alexander wins it going away, even with Nikola Jokic
finishing with the triple double average.

Speaker 4 (07:06):
Right well, it's going to be very neck and neck.
But I you know, I did a column to the
Grantlaw Sports saying, if I had a firm I had
in the ring right now, would be for Shay. I
think everyone hits the criteria, but here's where I give
Shaye the edge. It's not just because he's on a
you know, team that has a better record. I think

(07:26):
that he has been responsible for his supporting cast becoming
a lot better, and you know, they may have not
fallen off the cliff. But you have to keep in
mind that Chut Holmgrown was out for a while, same
thing with Isaiah Hartenstein, yet he was still able to
keep the ship afloat. With Nikolay Jokich, what he's doing
is historic. You know he doesn't He's had to go

(07:48):
through a lot of turbulence this year, but you know,
I would have thought that he still would have been
able to elevate them enough that you know they're not
having this late theson skid. But these are all spliced
in harrors. The reality is, I think everyone is going
to choose differently before it's worth I did reach out
to a few assistant coaches from you know, teams that

(08:10):
had no stakes in it, just to make sure I
felt okay with it. And it is only a handful.
But the coaches I talked to chose se for the
same reasons iow lines Well.

Speaker 1 (08:21):
I feel like that we had this conversation a little
while ago, is that MVP is not Player of the Year.
I think if it's Player of the Year, it's a
lot closer. But yeah, MVP is, Hey, what how did
you help you to? What did you do your team
be able to not do without you? I mean, every
year Jokic is great and the Nuggets win fifty games, right,
Like that's the every single year, that's the Nuggets. Here

(08:44):
is you know, SGA's got the got the Thunder at
the top of the West, best record overall. I mean, yes,
they have a really good supporting staff, but this has
been his crowning achievement. Like, I don't think the vote
should be even close.

Speaker 4 (08:57):
Yeah, and look, NIKOLEA. Jokic is a layer who makes
his teammates better. Don't get that wrong. But you know
what I've seen and you know what some of the
coaches I talked to, So they were making the point
that SGA has done a really good job with making
his teammates better this season. It's not just about oh,
he has more talent on the roster. He's partly responsible

(09:18):
for elevating. And it's ironic because Dako just Alexander's known
for being an isolation scorer. Yeah, when he talked to
people on the Thunder, they think that his playmaking is
really great and because he attracts so much gravity that
opens up a lot of open space, So those guys
wouldn't have the open shots without Shay's presence. But because
of how much he's improved as a playmaker, he's also enabled,

(09:41):
you know, guys like Jalen Williams and Chet Holmgren to
become more consistent scorers. So I think that's another thing. Uh,
you know why some coaches I talked to say, yeah,
if I had to choose, it would be SGA. But look,
we're all n Koleokic fans too, so we're just having
to make, you know, choices between two really really good

(10:03):
players this season.

Speaker 6 (10:04):
Mark as we look at the LA market as a whole.
Are the Clippers a dangerous.

Speaker 3 (10:09):
Squad right now?

Speaker 4 (10:12):
Well they are. Here's why Kawhi Leonard's actually fully healthy
right now actually.

Speaker 3 (10:17):
For now, for now.

Speaker 5 (10:20):
You say dot dot dot.

Speaker 4 (10:22):
At the end, and I was going to say, hey,
he just played back to Beck. He's not you know,
staying out to get healthy. He is having the ramp up.
But what you said the Clippers, you know, some call
it the curse, some call it bad luck. They very
well know that, uh, you know, anything can happen. I
think it was telling I was at the Clippers Rockets

(10:44):
game earlier this week, and someone was asking Tyler Allett
feels to finally have a fully healthy team, and I
think he had the same thought bubble that you all thought.
He started knocking on the podium table right away because
he knows anything.

Speaker 7 (11:00):
Well.

Speaker 4 (11:00):
When you're talking about what they have on paper, we've
finally seen the results of that on paper because everyone's
healthy and Kawhi is playing at the Kawhi Leonard caliber level.
Same thing with James harden A. Vita Zoobots has grown
leaps and pounds on both ends of the floor, same
thing with Norman Poulld. Tyler's a great coach. So yeah,

(11:21):
they could be one of those dangerous playoff teams. But
you know, you never wish to suppont anyone in sports.
But I have to just be mindful that their injury
history is their injury history. They almost have to anticipate
something happening.

Speaker 1 (11:34):
He's on Twitter at Mark g Underscore Medina. That's at
Mark g Underscore Medina. In the time you have spoken
to us, Mark, the Lakers are about to hit one
hundred points with three minutes to go in the third quarter.
So tonight, tonight, tonight should be an easy one for
the Lakers in the fourth that third seed, right.

Speaker 4 (11:52):
Third seed, And look, JJ Reddick was saying, the main
goal is the avoid the plan for obvious reasons. You get
more time to prep. But he started hocket in recent weeks.
You want home court advantage, so they could have this
full week of practicing in LA then on the road.

Speaker 3 (12:07):
All right, and and and don't listen to Jason Smith.

Speaker 1 (12:10):
Don't listen to that guy.

Speaker 3 (12:16):
And showing the rest of the game. We'll talk to
you later on. You know, that's the thing, you.

Speaker 1 (12:23):
Know, he said, I wondered you know when that happened, right,
And JJ Reddick had that press conference, So I don't
care what Jason Smith says jameson what.

Speaker 3 (12:31):
I'm like, Okay, yeah, that's great.

Speaker 1 (12:32):
Okay, So yeah, we're in his head a little bit,
but it's it's still there. Like Mark Mark said, hey,
I got he actually went in DM me. Yes, he says,
I got some stuff you and JJ Reddick, I'm like, okay,
and Jason man'll tape the Lakers win. I should get
a ring. I mean, really, I should get a ring.

Speaker 6 (12:52):
Truly, one of the great bulletin board issues of all time.

Speaker 3 (12:58):
I mean, who knew.

Speaker 1 (12:59):
Who knew that my influence on JJ Reddick in the
light was that big a deal.

Speaker 3 (13:04):
I mean, who knew? I don't think anybody else has
something like that.

Speaker 6 (13:06):
Well, you gotta have that fuel, right, every day you
wake up, you've got a goal. Whether it's to lose
an extra couple ounces, maybe it's to get some of
the paperwork out of your office, right, get to the shredder.
And I don't mean because you're trying to avoid incrimination, No,
it's just the idea. You have these squad goals. For
JJ Redick, it's how do I embarrass Jason Smith. He's going,

(13:30):
you know, the pumping Iron, the nineteen seventy seven classic
you had lou Ferigno.

Speaker 5 (13:35):
He was in the the.

Speaker 6 (13:37):
Weight room yelling Arnold, Arnold with every rep same thing
here Smith, Smith's when everybody's still, look of a jump shot.

Speaker 3 (13:45):
That's what he's doing. JJ Reddick, who forgets it?

Speaker 1 (13:47):
A year ago at this time, he was speeling out
hot takes on television, right.

Speaker 3 (13:51):
Like that's hey, that's what you have time.

Speaker 1 (13:55):
Oh I love it, you know, I really you know
what I should do is I should get because we
could get I should get a locker room pass for
like right before really big Laker playoff game. We just
walk around and walk around him and just walk around
to Hey, what's happening, man, Not every I just want
to come over and say, Hey, just wanted to say
I see how things are going.

Speaker 5 (14:13):
You come come walking in and fully suited up.

Speaker 1 (14:16):
Yeah, that's awesome. Exit out about a Fresco exit swalling dome.
Jason Smith Mike Harmon live from the Tirech dot Com Studios.
Since it is a fun Friday, right, we have positivity Friday.
We have a couple of really fun stories coming up next,
one surrounding one of the greatest sports movies of all time,
and one surrounding the NFL Draft. Keep it here, that's next,

(14:38):
Jason and Mike. This is Fox Sports Radio.

Speaker 2 (14:42):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Jason Smith
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Speaker 1 (14:53):
The Jason Smith Show with my best friend Mike Harmon.

Speaker 3 (14:57):
Yeah, the Tireck dot Com.

Speaker 1 (15:01):
Studios, where here is a lesson no matter how old
you are, that hard work pays off. All right, Now,
the Mets lead the A's right now six to one
in the sixth inning.

Speaker 3 (15:13):
Starling Marte dh for the Mets.

Speaker 1 (15:16):
He's been in the league for a long time and
he's not happy with how he's hitting. After his first
at bat, they showed video of him going to the
batting cages in center field to get a little bit
of in game hitting, right like, and you know, cause
it's Sacramento. It's not like, Hey, we have batting cages
below the I gotta go to the center field. Probably

(15:36):
have to put some money in. Maybe it's a dollar
for ten balls. I don't know where's the dollar I'm
paying for soda. So he goes into center field to
the batting cages. Second time he comes up, lines out
to left field. Third time he comes up double off
the wall and dead center field, brings in two runs.
Hard work pays off, even in the middle of the game.
Mike Harmon, it will always pay off for you.

Speaker 5 (15:58):
I don't think he should be allowed to.

Speaker 6 (16:00):
Why thank you, you're batting practice before the game, first
pitch starts, You're in the dugout, you're clapping.

Speaker 5 (16:05):
Why why why can't you no film review, no hitting?

Speaker 3 (16:08):
Why can't you do that? That's wrong with that.

Speaker 5 (16:10):
Why unfair advantage?

Speaker 1 (16:13):
How's it unfair? Everybody can do it? How's an unfair advantage?
Everyone kind of?

Speaker 5 (16:17):
I just don't like it.

Speaker 3 (16:18):
I just you're gonna be a horrible, really old man.
You know that.

Speaker 1 (16:23):
I just don't like it. I say that, now, Why
can't I do that, Grandpa? Because I just don't like it?

Speaker 3 (16:30):
Wait what?

Speaker 5 (16:31):
Yeah, but don't tell me you've never done that?

Speaker 3 (16:33):
With like it? I don't like it.

Speaker 5 (16:35):
Can we do this? No?

Speaker 3 (16:37):
Why?

Speaker 5 (16:37):
Because I don't want to know. I don't like it.
What's wrong with that?

Speaker 3 (16:41):
No? No?

Speaker 1 (16:41):
The old uh uh uh roy kent when when he
when he's taking his niece out.

Speaker 3 (16:46):
Can we go get ice cream after this? No? Why?
Because it's blank and stupid?

Speaker 6 (16:50):
That's right, by the way, I mean, you really failed.
You had an opportunity to bring in the Hall of
Famer Scott Hall. Hard work pays off, hard work, dreams
do come true.

Speaker 3 (17:02):
There you go, and.

Speaker 6 (17:03):
Mad times don't last, but bad guys do.

Speaker 3 (17:08):
And bad chicken mess you up?

Speaker 6 (17:09):
Right he did earlier this week, man, I was a mess.
Chicken mess me up.

Speaker 1 (17:15):
So the reason I bring this up to chick and
there's a great new fun story. And now how about
a How about a hot take about the best sports
movie the last twenty five years? Okay, so semi pro
let's gomi semi pro so. Mark Shapiro, former GM of
the Cleveland Indians, now executive with the Blue Jays, He's

(17:35):
the one that had a lot to do getting of
Lad Junior's extension done. Did a podcast today in which
he talked about his continued frustration with the movie Moneyball,
how he was portrayed, and what actually.

Speaker 3 (17:49):
Happened in them in the movie.

Speaker 1 (17:51):
You know the very big scene where Billy goes to
Cleveland and try to get a picture and it out
tries to get Ricardo Rincon, tries to get Kareem Garcia
and Shapiro because Jonah Hill is telling him not to
make these trades, keep saying, yeah, that's a no, that's
a no, that's a no. Here's a little bit of
the scene where Billy goes to Cleveland, sits in his
room with with Mark Shapiro when gets told, yeah, none

(18:11):
of our players were trading to.

Speaker 3 (18:12):
You, So what are you looking for?

Speaker 5 (18:15):
Left handed reliever?

Speaker 3 (18:17):
I'm thinking Ricardo Rincone. That's not gonna happen.

Speaker 1 (18:23):
Not even a discussion, even if you could afford him respectfully.

Speaker 3 (18:30):
We love him, We're not about to let him go.

Speaker 7 (18:32):
Well, you got this Venezuelan kid coming up from North Carolina, right,
he had him.

Speaker 6 (18:35):
He moved him to Detroit.

Speaker 3 (18:37):
Huh huh?

Speaker 5 (18:38):
What else you thinking.

Speaker 2 (18:41):
Outfielders to replace Damon? Yeah, in your price range?

Speaker 3 (18:48):
No disrespect.

Speaker 1 (18:51):
I keep saying no, because he knows he's not gonna
face for any players.

Speaker 3 (18:54):
No disrespect, No disrespect.

Speaker 1 (18:56):
So then he gets asked about Kareem Garcia and Jonah
Hill tells him no. It's a big scene in the movie.
Then later on, obviously he gets Ricardo Rincon. He calls
Shapiro and gets him from him for the for the
Pennant race. Right, so he goes on a podcast, the
real Mark Shapiro not not read Diamond. The actor goes
on a podcast today and says just how frustrated he

(19:16):
is with a continued legacy of Moneyball because a lot
of stuff that happened in the movie just did not
happen in real life.

Speaker 3 (19:25):
Take a listen, have you seen Moneyball?

Speaker 5 (19:27):
And what do you think of your character in the movie.

Speaker 7 (19:29):
So here's the story, right, you know, a GM in Cleveland,
the pr guy comes throws a movie script on my
desk and says, hey, they're making this movie. I read
over the script. I'm like, WHOA, Like, it's not it's
not factual.

Speaker 5 (19:41):
What do you want me to approve?

Speaker 7 (19:43):
I was in GM. Billy was never in my office.
I recommended Paul de Podesta to him. He didn't steal
him from us. You know, the ring Cone traves is
a joke. We were dumping ring Cone, laughing as we
were doing it, because we had traded all of those
other guys already. It wasn't Billy like engineering and policing us.
You know, I was like, whatever, sure.

Speaker 3 (20:01):
Yeah, exactly that.

Speaker 7 (20:03):
I know that for what over twenty years, I would
be answering every speech I give. I'd be answering the question.
I've got Edward Rodgers sending me memes memes of Red
Diamond giving me a hard time about who's playing me.
You know, hey, how come Brad Pitt paid play Billy Bean?
He had read Diamond play you. I tried to look
through his IMDb. It wasn't It wasn't Brad Pitt, and

(20:23):
they just they knew he looked okay in a golf shirt.

Speaker 2 (20:25):
Had a receding hairline and more khakis.

Speaker 3 (20:27):
I get.

Speaker 7 (20:28):
That's all we got to do to replicate Shapiro. Just
put him in a golf shirt, khakis with a receding hairline.

Speaker 3 (20:33):
That's it. That from the Gate fourteen podcast.

Speaker 6 (20:37):
And you know, he comes off as a jerk as
much as you and he's laughing. I was like, like, you, well.

Speaker 1 (20:42):
I get it because for twenty years, if people think, oh, man,
you got fleeced by Billy Bean for Ricardo Riccon, Like,
how do you feel, like, here's your career in baseball.

Speaker 3 (20:51):
You still have it, You're still an executive.

Speaker 1 (20:53):
And what people think, Mark Schapi, you go, oh, you're
the guy that that traded Riccardo Riccone to Billy Bean.

Speaker 3 (20:58):
You yeah, but.

Speaker 6 (21:01):
Yeah, we're laughing, Oh yeah, yeah, laughing because we're trying
to dump this guy. And then he takes out and
he just cuts off Red Diamond at the knees.

Speaker 3 (21:13):
Thought. I thought Red Diamond was actually a pretty good Mark.

Speaker 1 (21:16):
But I love that he kept saying respectfully, respectful enough, Mark, Like,
I know you're not paying money, respectfully enough.

Speaker 5 (21:21):
He did a good job.

Speaker 1 (21:22):
I was, man, come on, uh, but look, but this
is a big thing, right, here's your big hot take
because you think about Moneyball, right, it looked for my mind, look,
best sports movie I've ever seen, right, I mean just
that good, that quotable. I watch it every single time
it's on, no matter where it is in the movie,
I'll pick it up and watch it. It's got flaws,
but it's absolutely clear lastic.

Speaker 3 (21:43):
Right.

Speaker 1 (21:43):
But this is the thing, is that Moneyball made when
it was think about the license that was taken.

Speaker 3 (21:51):
With a true story. Okay, so this is a true story.

Speaker 1 (21:53):
Obviously, Moneyball is true story about the A's back when
they wouldn't spend money and they wound up having the
big twenty game win streak, right, Like everybody knows that. Okay,
there's a little bit of Hollywood license that's taken, right,
and and for the longest time it's been well, you know,
they don't mention that Miguel Tahata was the MVP that year,
the starting pitching was fantastic, her Hudson and Mulder and Zena.

Speaker 3 (22:16):
Right, they leave that out.

Speaker 1 (22:17):
Okay, but that's fine because that's part that's not the
narrative of the of the NAT money So the narrative
was you know, that was a narrative book. But think
about this. Right, here's Shapira saying, I wasn't the GM.
That's not how the trade went down. That's not all
of this. None of this happened. Like the fun stuff
about reed Diamond is pretty cool, but but you know this,
it didn't happen that way. That's not how it happened.

(22:38):
That's not how the trade happened. That's not how any
conversation went. I wasn't even the general manager when he
came in, right, And he's been dealing with this for
twenty years. Art Hall, who is the manager of the A's,
he has said in many interviews that was the end
of my career when that movie came out. Nobody wanted
to hire me after that, right, because it was a

(22:59):
couple of years afterwards, and he was still in baseball
and but you know, and he had been let go
i think the year after Moneyball, and then he went
to the Mets and Ken Maka became the manager of
the A's. But he said, yeah, Moneyball ruined Mike Kirk
because everybody thought he was really hard to work with.
Was all about himself because in the because in the
in the movie, he's the villain.

Speaker 3 (23:18):
Right, like he's the guy.

Speaker 5 (23:19):
Yeah, is the villain.

Speaker 1 (23:22):
I want my contract because you need a villain, right,
because you know any any any movie about heroes which
is about you know, what the a's were doing. You
need a villain, and you try to make the Yankee
some kind of villain. You try, so you need but
but on, you know, on on they needed somebody in
the movie.

Speaker 3 (23:37):
And Art How was the biggest villain.

Speaker 1 (23:39):
Didn't want to do anything that Billy wanted to do
with Moneyball, always disagreed with him, wanted a new contract.
All of this happening, and in real life like Art
how was really supportive of Moneyball and the direction they
were taking, like he was all on board with it.
So and you think about Art How's it? Yeah, what
would have been done differently if it was now? Sure

(23:59):
probably would have been differently now from Mark Shapiro because
if this happened now, right, let's just say Moneyball happened,
it comes out now, think about how controversial this would
be that wait, you took a true story and made
stuff up, right, because hey, we're all about when stuff
is in movies now and what happens behind the scenes,

(24:20):
and when you try to say a true story.

Speaker 3 (24:22):
And something that didn't happen.

Speaker 1 (24:23):
Moneyball was a big deal, right, You're talking about Brad Pitt,
Jonah Hill, huge film. Right, That's how times have changed
in that. Now, if this movie came out, I don't
know if there would be lawsuits. I don't know if
there would be some sort of legal situation where we're
not gonna allow you to release the movie because I
was portrayed unfairly and inaccurately. Like Dave Justice, who is

(24:45):
filled in with us here at Fox Sports Radio, I
talked to him about Moneyball, you know, a few months
ago when he filled in one day with Rob Parker, Like,
I wonder, you know, if that happened now, like would
this would this even get off the get off the ground,
or how much would they have to worry about pay
guys off? Because Hey, I wasn't this guy. I wasn't
someone that was anti what you were doing. You you
portray me as a bad guy in the movie, and

(25:07):
because it's a true story, people think I'm that guy.
And you see some of the lawsuits going on right
now at Netflix, right with some of the movies that
come out that are based on a true story. And
here's so and so's like baby reindeer. Right, here's so
and so's performance. All that's not who I was.

Speaker 3 (25:22):
I'm suing.

Speaker 1 (25:23):
There's big legal stuff and I see Moneyball now and
I go, wow, there's so many things in there that's
just that's not accurate that people could stand up and say, hey, legally, no,
I'm not you. You owe me something for that, you
owe me money, or I'm not gonna put my name
on this like money. Do you talk about the movie
coming out when it was you know when it was

(25:43):
was probably a great time for it, because if this
happened now, there'd be all kinds of controversy with you.

Speaker 6 (25:48):
Yeah, I think the curiosity becomes, you know, how do
you prove that, uh, in our house case, how does
he prove that kept him from getting a job as
opposed you just aged out?

Speaker 1 (26:00):
Or well no, I think it would be like right, no,
it would be like right after the movie. It would
be the movie comes out and art how would say, WHOA?
He would understand that this is not me, this is
going to stop me from getting a job, This is
putting a bad optic out there for me. You are
not representing my character, And I'm gonna sue, like, this
is not who I was in this movie.

Speaker 6 (26:19):
This is the old rule of thumb in the United States.
You can sue anybody for anything at any time. Oh yeah,
JJ Rediham, I'm after you for you can indict a
ham sandwich.

Speaker 5 (26:29):
You can sue anything. I said.

Speaker 3 (26:30):
You did indict a ham sandwich. I said, you can
indict a ham sandwich. You just hurt ham sandwich, That's all.

Speaker 5 (26:35):
Well, I kind of did. I was feeling a little
bit hungry.

Speaker 6 (26:38):
But I'm still having issues with that chicken from the
over night, So I'm not dumbling down it.

Speaker 1 (26:46):
But I mean it like like the place in the
pantheon that Moneyball has in our culture, in the pantheon
of sports movies, like it would be just riddled with
controversy if.

Speaker 6 (26:56):
Well, but think about it, Like how many other sports
movies could you do this with? Think about Rudy. Did
everybody walk in with their jersey? All of those I mean,
Joe Montana's told the story a million times, of all
the inaccuracies of that. Yeah, but they going after Ned Bady, Yeah,
but nobody. I mean they taking all the money that
Rudy's earned in card shows and stuff through the years,

(27:19):
because it.

Speaker 5 (27:20):
Was half of it was fabricated.

Speaker 3 (27:21):
No.

Speaker 1 (27:22):
Yeah, but no, but you're talking about making people look
bad and that's not at all who they were. That's
that's a different that's a different thing. There's a there's
creative license. Then saying that just didn't happen like Mark was, like,
that never happened. I was not GM. Billy was never
in my office. That scene never happened. It never happened.

Speaker 5 (27:39):
Yeah, butN here's the thing. You have to prove the negative.

Speaker 6 (27:42):
Now, could you approve that Billy was never in your office?

Speaker 3 (27:46):
No?

Speaker 1 (27:48):
I think you just asked Billy Bean Billy weever in
Mark Shapiro's office.

Speaker 3 (27:51):
No, answers.

Speaker 1 (27:52):
An got him on the phone, and I got Ricardo
and Coon from him. But that was about it.

Speaker 6 (27:55):
Well, but you know that's the creative license. We were
still together. Yeah, but it's a visual medium. We're not
gonna do a split screen.

Speaker 1 (28:05):
Well, but there's a difference between here's a version we're
putting out of this character and here's something that just
didn't happen, right like this, Hey, we're gonna we're gonna
portray art how kind of this way? And then it dif's, oh, well,
this never happened, like he was I was never anti Moneyballer,
continuing to play Carlos Pania when when Billy wanted Haddiberg
at first.

Speaker 6 (28:26):
Kind of sounds like Calvin Booth and Michael Malone. Damn it,
get Westbrook off the corner ready.

Speaker 1 (28:32):
I want Diying, right, Justice Dhing and anybody but Mags
first out of the pen.

Speaker 3 (28:36):
Billy, we went over this.

Speaker 1 (28:38):
The lineup card is mine, all right, and I'm playing
my lineup how I'm gonna be able to justify when
I look for a job next off season.

Speaker 3 (28:47):
I mean that it's a it's a different.

Speaker 1 (28:49):
World in movies now, and it would be this would
be some sort of I mean, I don't know if
that would affect the box office. It would affect because
it does you see now with controversy with well look
at snow White, right. Oh, maybe maybe that that's why
the movie tank because of what went on with the
two stars of the movie. And maybe that's like something
around it, like, Okay, is it good publicity for a movie?

Speaker 3 (29:08):
Is it bad? Well?

Speaker 1 (29:09):
Wait, if we're getting sued by people I don't know
about that.

Speaker 6 (29:12):
Well, that would also prove that all publicity is not
good publicity. Yees, snow I'd estimated to lose at least
one hundred and fifty million in the last report i'd seen.

Speaker 3 (29:22):
That's a lot of money. That's a lot of money.

Speaker 1 (29:24):
Yeah, that's that's sitting another that's eating a big bona
fide hit, like a huge hit, just to offset the
losses for snow White.

Speaker 6 (29:32):
Yeah, but it crushes me because it kills off all
of the versions of films they might have done that
I'd be interested in seeing. I didn't need another snow White, Dude,
I've had a million snows Dude.

Speaker 1 (29:41):
If they're doing snow White, you really think they're gonna
do other movies that you want to see.

Speaker 6 (29:45):
Hey, I was all for a Sabrina Carpenter Rapunzel.

Speaker 3 (29:49):
Dude. Forget No, you're not seeing that.

Speaker 1 (29:50):
You're instead of that, you're gonna get an entire movie
about chicken jockeys. That's the next big movie they're gonna make.

Speaker 6 (29:57):
That's that's not that's not a Disney property. Though it
doesn't it doesn't help offset their losses.

Speaker 3 (30:02):
Do they own the rights of the words chicken jockey.

Speaker 1 (30:05):
I think you can call chicken jockey anything you want to.

Speaker 6 (30:07):
I would really hope whoever does has done a couple
of happy dances, maybe a moonwalk or two of the
sideline of their life like they were in Lebron James.

Speaker 2 (30:18):
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Very nice.

Speaker 1 (30:58):
So we're starting to get some clarity now for the
NBA Playoffs.

Speaker 3 (31:03):
Certain teams are locked into positions.

Speaker 1 (31:06):
For the first round of the playoffs after tonight, and
a horrendous loss by the Knicks to the Cavaliers doesn't matter.
Nicks and the Pistons locked in at three six. The
Lakers clinching third overall in the Western Conference, fiftieth win
of the year as they thumped the Rockets one forty
to one oh nine. Now, look, this is a game

(31:27):
the Rockets rested almost everybody, but a big achievement for
the Lakers here in the West. They finished third overall,
Still some stuff to go because the Nuggets can finish
as high as fourth or as low as seventh, depending
on what happened Sunday.

Speaker 3 (31:42):
It's insane.

Speaker 6 (31:43):
Well, the fact that we still have some juxtaposition enabled
here in the final day today it was interesting because
you had I think all but like two games had
double digit spreads because you had no idea who the
hell was playing.

Speaker 5 (31:58):
A lot of the guests work out who's gonna play.

Speaker 6 (32:00):
Who's not the same thing for Sonnay as you get through,
as you know, the unfortunate part of it is as
much as you'd think, hey, you're playing those final games,
get your best seeding, No, you're also playing for matchups.
You're also trying to figure out how to navigate where
where's the best and path of least resistance for you.

(32:21):
But first time for the Lakers clinching the three seeds
since twenty twelve.

Speaker 1 (32:26):
Yeah, I mean, it's an amazing regular season for the Lakers. Right,
They've gone from trying to figure their way and they
were playing pretty well. Right, they were playing pretty well,
and then lightning strikes with a trade for Luca, and
now look out in the West, this is pretty easy.
Nobody wants to play the Lakers in the West. Do
a lot of teams think that they can make it

(32:46):
all the way through? Are they a team that can
win the title this year? Or maybe is next year
their best title shot?

Speaker 3 (32:52):
After?

Speaker 1 (32:53):
Hey, we see what we needed through the playoffs this year,
we see where lucas at. What's the best mix we
have the teams? I can see that where Hey for
the playoffs, maybe not, but hey, do you want to
play them this round? No, nobody wants to play the Lakers.
Nobody wants to play Luca Lebron. It's it's they would
rather play known quantity. I know what I'm getting from
the Nuggets, even though you know they fired their head coach.
I know what I'm getting from the Clippers. I know

(33:14):
what I'm getting from the Grizzlies. You don't know what
you're getting from the Lakers. Defensively, they have played really
well in the West, it's easy.

Speaker 3 (33:21):
Nobody wants to play that.

Speaker 6 (33:22):
Yeah, I think I go to the other LA team
where we're sitting right now. Question I asked Medina when
he joined us earlier this hour, Jason, It's like with
the Lakers, they're out of their boredom, no question about it,
right as you as you tabbed it. And Luca and
the energy, even the laugher that we just saw the
last few minutes.

Speaker 5 (33:40):
Here we got lebron moonwalking. We got that thing that
he's doing with his arm. I don't know what that is.

Speaker 6 (33:45):
You know, the the ice in the veins could be misinterpreted.
Adam Silver needs to look at that too. But Bronni
James actually got to come in and shoot three point
shots as well in a one nine laugher. But all
of that to say, with the Clippers, will they be healthy?
That's the only thing, the only question I have because
I really love the roster.

Speaker 3 (34:05):
Because here's the answer. They never are yes.

Speaker 5 (34:08):
But I got gonna be much man.

Speaker 1 (34:09):
Yeah, I know, I know, because he's ready.

Speaker 5 (34:13):
He's got revenge games against the Lakers.

Speaker 1 (34:16):
Second, come on, Uh, Now, the East is a different
story because look, you have the top of the East
is phenomenal with the Cavaliers and the Celtics. Look, no,
I'll tell you right now, if the Knicks get out
of the first round of the playoffs, I'll be stunned. Right,
they just look like they're done. But nobody wants to
play the Bucks. Even though no Damian Lillard, They've won

(34:39):
seven in a row. They have figured things out without him.
The team is playing better than they were with Lillard.
And you know, you know how low I am to
give Doc Rivers credit for anything, So you know, I
believe it. Look that they are getting hot at the
absolute right time. And you look, it's not just gonna
be honest, but look, Kuzma can go for a can
go off on the playoffs. They're kind of an unknown

(35:00):
quantity too, because now all of a sudden, boy, without
Damian Lillard, things are a little bit different, what are
we gonna get from them? And especially when Giannis has said, okay,
now it's time to get on my shoulders for the postseason,
nobody wants to play the Bucks right now? All right,
the pat Pacers are going, Man, we were gonna get
the Knicks again in a series, and we're gonna be

(35:20):
all jacked up for it, and the Knicks look terrible
and we're ready to win again, and Rick Carlisle's gonna laugh. Instead,
we get the Bucks and man, they're gonna steamroll us.

Speaker 3 (35:28):
Yeah, but you.

Speaker 6 (35:29):
Gotta be excited for the playing games, because you got
three teams that are on heaters, the Magic eight and
two in their last ten, the Bulls seven and three,
seven and three.

Speaker 1 (35:38):
Dude, stop trying to make the Eastern Conference playing happen.

Speaker 3 (35:42):
It's terrible.

Speaker 5 (35:42):
I'm supposed to celebrate all sports, is that not?

Speaker 6 (35:45):
When I'm hearing them, role is celebrate everybody rapping in
a big hug, the teams that have everybody's quit the
last twenty games, and you're like, look at these teams
that are seven games on.

Speaker 3 (35:57):
Count.

Speaker 5 (35:58):
Hey, the Magic are one game over.

Speaker 1 (36:00):
Look how they've gone from fourteen games under five hundred
to eight games under five hundred.

Speaker 3 (36:05):
Look how good they are.

Speaker 6 (36:06):
I remain hopeful that the Pistons show me something in
the playoffs.

Speaker 1 (36:10):
Oh well, look, that's easy for me because if the
Nicks lose, at least I could say my Pistons.

Speaker 6 (36:14):
My look at my Pistons, don't got that sweatshirt picked out?
Or your licking jockey shirt.

Speaker 1 (36:19):
I was only three years early on the Pistons, you
were chicken jockey.

Speaker 3 (36:25):
Coming up next, we got.

Speaker 1 (36:27):
More NBA, but an NFL story that might change the
top ten of the NFL Draft.

Speaker 3 (36:32):
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