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Rick Carlisle has been stuck on 999 wins for the last 13 games (*checks notes*). How long has that champagne been on ice?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Welcome inside final Hour tonight The Jason Smith Show with
my best friend Mike Harmon. Hobo. So I started watching
that sports collectible show on Netflix. Yeah, I need can
you give me two million dollars so I can buy
Jim Morrison's driver's license from nineteen sixty five? Two million? Yeah? Wow?
Couple million? Yeah, okay, hear me that. I mean, I'm
not asking for the Lebron triple logo man money. You know,
(00:52):
well you got that.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
I mean, we could go into the whole ersa collection.
I mean, there's a lot of different things we can
go into the marketplace. Yeah, it's fascinating.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
Show. Know.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
I've traversed in the whole card and collectible thing my
whole existence. So I see some of these grails that
I just start shaking my head going damn, trying to
explain the whole grating process and chaos to the care here.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
It's fun. See, I'm wondering if I could bring some
because it's not just you know, card collecting, which we
I mean, look, everybody knows opening the cards and the
you know, for different sports things. But could I just
make up some sort of real random like at Jim
Morrison driver's license, right, Like what if I say, hey,
I have Groucho Marx's underwear, you know, or like, and
I could sell it and get like can I just
make stuff like that up? Like, how are you gonna
(01:33):
check if I get an old pair of underwear from
like nineteen thirty that's Grautchel Marxes Underwell.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
I'm sure we could do some DNA tests. Look at inside,
it's got grouchy. It says GM, the initials in the
in the uh in magic marker on the tag. Well,
part of it comes down to your credibility. Your history
doesn't mean you won't find a single solitary buyer out
there that believes whatever story you come to.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
Sell, okay, because that's part of it.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
Yeah, the provenence of things, especially when they go in
this case, the TV show is Golden Auctions. It's like,
all right, give me the history. Where did you get it? Well,
who did they tell you they got it? And then
they have a team of people, especially if it's something
that may end up being worth six figures, that they're
going to track it back. So if you're gonna try
to claim you've got you know, what are Anthony Quinn's
(02:20):
T shirt like you're hanging out on Seinfeld, No.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
I would commit. I would say, hey, I have a
Honus Wagner T two o five. You mean T two
o six, No, T two oh five have the prototype only. Yeah,
it's a very It kind of looks like a picture
of you made up to look like it's right now.
It's a T two o five. It's it's T twol
five right here too. But as you can see, the
metadata tells me that there's like twelve or fifteen T
(02:46):
two o six. This is the only one T two
o five. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
I mean some of it you're spinning a yarn, and
some of it becomes trust and whether an auction house
wants to put faith in your story. Jason to traverse
the Nile River for a Honus Wagner T two o
four that I hear is an a galligator's mouth, and
I'm gonna pull it out. If you document that, you
could probably sell that movie, no doubt about that. But yes, uh,
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the providence of old Hollywood stuff always comes up here.
A lot of fakes out there, certainly, But the Jim
Morrison driver's license.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
I hadn't seen that, Jason. Yeah, what do you for?
I got a man conditioned pin Alonzo oriole card for you.
Oh that's great. What's it worth? Two cents for you
to say? Grade thirty? It just came out the tops.
Now pe alans yell, it's say, smiling after hitting his
seventieth home run of the season. Yeah, okay, we'll see.
We'll see how that goes. Well, see how we'll see
how that p Alonzo contract ages. We'll see. Did I
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underball it? No? No, no, you're I like the term underball,
and I like under Underball's pretty good. I like that
kind of that is safe heart. You you mean thunderball.
No underball, he strikes. It's the it's the it's the
adult film version of thunderball, that's what. But you got that.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
Look the thing with ped Alonzo, it doesn't have to
age well for the duration of the contract. But if
he hits well and they actually win and they're not looking,
I'll sell you the sign the cal Ripken number in
the back there at Oriel Park in Camden Yards. Okay,
with all pin assos holes from all the home runs
he's hitting it.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
Batting practice doesn't count. It's got to be in games.
You know he's gonna crush it pin Alons. You're gonna
cry after every one we play. I'll tell you this. Okay, Okay,
let's let's be conservative here. Let's bet I'll buy dinner.
If I win, you buy dinner. I'll buy dinner. If
you win, you buy dinner. If I win, I don't
buy dinner. Are very easy, pe Alonzo will hit less
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than thirty home runs this year, less than thirty home
runs for the OREO. Oh, you gonna put an injury
stuff saying less than thirty less. They'll take that bet
any second. And I'm not even gonna do an injury thing.
I'm not even gonna say if buy you a four
star dinner if it's under thirty five star dinner. So
that's like a big mac for you.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
So say, is that the name of a Burger for
some joint. I'm not aware he's gotta play thirty. I'll
take that bet right now.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
Okay, under thirty, he's got it, and he's got to
play like I don't want him to get hurt and
miss times and he's not going to hit it, so
he's got to play. What do you want to say?
One hundred and thirty? You can't do like Chipoltle. You
gotta do like Ruth Chris or something I said. I
saw by by dinner all the time. Man't buy fine,
well by what they're fine? Thirty home runs lessons? Right now?
All right, cool, very good. I gotta wait a whole much,
(05:27):
the whole season for a dinner from Frostberg. All right,
all right, well, you know the waiting is the hardest part.
Do you know how much garbage time in those Oriole
games there is? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (05:36):
From the second thirty, he's got twenty nine. Guy throws
him the epist melt down.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
Nine. I have a T two three pt alonzo verga. Uh.
You know, hey, do you think Rick card just for
a second, Rick Carl is stuck on nine to ninety
nine for thirteen games. Do you think he's going to
talk about how the officiating is rewarding the big market teams,
and that's why he hasn't won his thousands game yet.
That's what's happening. Rick Carlin, Why are you so bitter?
I'm just saying I'm kind of having fun with that.
You haven't won anything. That's it. We won the championship.
(06:08):
I don't know why we're still playing basketball. I watched
us win the championship. Confetti came down, they.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
Had hats and TJA pirate Steve came out with ches,
the money and jewels won the championship.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
I saw us beat the Spurs and win. We won
the title. It's it's over. What are you talking about? Uh? Now?
New details are coming in surrounding the firing of John Harball.
There's some NFL Network insider Ian Rappaport a couple hours ago. Look,
we've talked about the Harball situation with a bunch of
different angles today. A different one coming up here the
next couple of minutes. But first, a lot of it,
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according to Ian Rappaport, came down to the fact that
many players, including Lamar Jackson, were in entus playing another
season for John Harball. Now, obviously it's been okay for
the last eight years, but this year it's not been
even reports. That's some coaches, right, We're not happy with
the way things were going. So this was the reason
(07:04):
that John Harball was give. One of the reasons given
for him being fired is that, well, when the players
and coaches were having problems, will guess what you're gonna go? Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
Then he wanted to keep the DC as one of
the big sticking points. And you know, just for context
and history in the as we celebrate and commemorate his
eighteen years, remember he was terrible for a number of
years before Lamar Jackson showed up on the scene.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
I mean, look, I give him the nod for being
able to be the quarterback that said, I know, Joey
won the Super Bowl, that's great, but I have to
go Lamar's the guy now. And that's a tough thing
to do because he had a lot of loyalty to Flacco.
But he made the right football decision. Lamar's the guy,
and they went right to Lamar and Flacco's like, well,
you're just kicking me to the curb and won the
Super Bowl. Man, I'm elite. Yeah, I know you threw
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that big moon ball. Against the Broncos on the plaid. Yeah, yeh, yeah,
that's fine. So that's a tough decision that he made. Now,
we talked about this earlier in the show that we
knew in September if they didn't win, he was going
to be out because you couldn't go for especially if
it's him or Lamar Jackson, which are the only two
constants over this last eight years. Lamar was gonna win
and Harball was gonna lose. And when I say this,
(08:12):
it's gonna be more of of a point that hits home. Yeah,
they really had to move on. Lamar has been in
the league eight years. It's been a weird year, right,
Like the fact that now we're hearing that there is
some kind of tension with Lamar and Harbaugh, the fact
that Lamar wasn't the same quarterback he played some games.
You're wondering is he hurt? Is he not? Is he
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really going forth with with the with the effort needed
to win games like he has in the past. Like
all of a sudden questions about how he feels about
Harbor were out there. He didn't endorse Harbaugh after the
game on Sunday, which he could have, so you knew
there was something odd going on this year with Harbaugh
and and and with with Lamar Jackson. But if you
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had to give an NFL comp for Lamar Jackson right now,
this is nothing should tell you that he needs another
head coach and this is the right move. More than this.
Every generation, sometimes we get the same player. They come in, Oh,
this is this guy. Is this guy of the two thousands,
this is the guy of the nineties. If you were
looking at the comp from Lamar Jackson right now in
Stan Marino. Different skill set obviously, but you're talking about
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a top five quarterback in the game. His teams were
competitive every year, but for some reason, they were never
good enough to win the Super Bowl.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
Changing the game but not getting over right, I mean,
because Lamar was that next generation right marine steel set.
Marino was the first guy to really light it up
and push the ball all over the place.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
His quick release coming in. He was the first video
game quarterback, right like Dan Fouts and the and and
Air Coriel was fun, sure, but Marino was the Wow,
look at this guy. Look at the way he can
throw the football, Look at what he does unlike anything
we've seen. Got to the Super Bowl, his second year,
never got back right for different reasons. Right, Sometimes the
defense would let him down in a playoff game. Sometimes
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it was turnovers. Sometimes the offense couldn't get They lost
a home game in the AFC title game to the
Bills once I think ten to seven was a final score.
And sometimes in like nineteen ninety three, so the same
thing for Lamar Jackson. Sometimes they lose in the playoffs
because Lamar throws a couple of picks. Sometimes because Mark
Andrews doesn't catch a pass in the end zone. Timetimes,
Billy Kundiff misses a field goal. Sometimes Tyler Loop misses
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a field goal. But for whatever reason, they couldn't get there.
And when you think about Lamar Jackson and being the
being Dann Reener, you don't want that comp you don't
want to be known as great quarterback, never won it.
And that's where Lamar Jackson is with his career right
now and being a more physical running quarterback. His prime
is going to be a lot less. It's maybe another
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three ish or four years before he starts slowing down.
That's just the way it is for the business, right,
It's way it goes. Every quarterback that's a dual threat guy,
especially the number of carries that Lamar Jackson's had throughout
his career. Yeah, when you get to thirty one, thirty two,
thirty three, that's that's kind of going to be it.
So he needs something because right now it's like, look,
if you put the over under for suon Super Bowls
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for him at a half, I still would take the under.
I don't think they're ever gonna make it. They're not
closer with this team. But you needed a new guy
to come in with fresh ideas that could get you there.
Jim Harbaugh, John Harbor. Jim Harbaugh's fine, he's got a job.
John Harbaugh had eight years. You had the best of
Lamar Jackson and the best of John Harbaugh, and you
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couldn't get there. So you need there to be some
kind of change. Lamar's not going anywhere, so you need
some new fresh ideas. Look, eighteen years of the team overall,
eventually you gonna need somebody else in there with new ideas,
fresh ideas, a new way to do things. And you
can't risk the team getting stagnant, getting apathetic. And if
this is the case, the end of the year where
the team was less than enthusiastic about playing for John Harbaugh.
(11:42):
Then absolutely you needed somebody else in there. They had
to do this, They had to go in. But especially
when you look at where the comp for Lamar Jackson
is right now. Oh absolutely, Hey, I could be the
Dan Marino of the new Dan. No no, no no,
I got to get the Super Bowl. I got at
least we need to make a change now to go forward.
That this was the right call.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
Yeah, one of the details was that it was that
he was adamant of retaining Zach Orr And we talked
about how bad that defense was for a good chunk
of the season, at times based on opponent, and this
is where you know you start lies damn lie statistics
in a given game where all right, the defense looked
really great, all right, were you're playing a team that
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was clicking offensively or.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
Were they bit a bit toothless. There were only two
teams with fewer sacks this year than the Baltimore Raven
the Jets. Yeah. Anytime you say there's only one team
with fewer the Jets, the word is fewer the Jets,
You're right.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
And then you had the San Francisco forty nine ers
were the last team in the league. They had twenty
jets with twenty five, Baltimore was tied with Carolina and
Arizona down at the bottom with thirty. And you talk
about generating pressure and giving support to your offense, which
was without the Jackson for a stretch. You start season
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one in five, you go on a five game winning streak,
Snoop Huntley plays well in spots, you ride Derrick Henry
until with great questions and consternation, you decide to take
the ball out of his hands. And you have all
these different circumstances. At some point you got to stop
the bleeding.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
Right.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
We watched for years with Cincinnati. And it doesn't mean
you're not a good coach. Right, It goes are you
A to B and staying at B? Where there becomes unrest,
the message isn't working anymore and the principles are dissatisfied.
In this case, Lamar Jackson as to where where the
trajectory is going for I like Zay Flowers, a good player,
(13:42):
had a monster game this year, But is he is
he your go to week to week?
Speaker 1 (13:47):
No? He has big pops now and again, but otherwise
he's not the other receivers you have DeAndre Hopkins is
good once in a while, but he ain't what he
was right, and go on down the line. Andrews Isaiah
likely had a big catch, I say because one has
in one.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
But he was a guy that we were expecting bigs
things from. Didn't see it. So all of that to say,
we watched Marvin Lewis in Division for years with Cincinnati.
They had a lot of great talent, right, a lot
of great years, went to the playoffs year after year,
but you weren't getting over.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
So when he got fired, everybody got mad. It's like,
you're not You're not moving forward like you did a
great status and congratulations on moving that floor up, but
that's it the ceiling.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
You're still hitting your head. The Bears Lovey Smith got
him to a Super Bowl, Prince played Purple.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
Rain in the rain. Hey, all of that, and then
they could win in December and could win in Division.
You gotta move on. Can't be the Dan Marino of
the NFL. Marino exit ab outa Frasca exit, swelling Dome.
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check I on not Rick Carlisle still stuck on nine
hundred ninety nine career wins.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
Oh look at you? Well, you know we've been doing this.
Is this your full Knicks fan? Things been really coming
through on a big level. We've been doing this every
day since December eighth. Come on, man Rick Carlisle eight
in one thousand so much.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
Don't stop at just December eighth. You gotta go with
twenty twenty five's right, Yeah, that's true. Yeah, all the
way back last year, last year when this happened, Well,
he had a good run. I'm trying to think, like
I think, like December eighth, we still had no idea.
We were still we were still two and a half
weeks away from the second drop of Stranger Things. Uh yeah,
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TV shows.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
I mean, you know all the theories that are out
there right now that sometime in the next twenty four hours,
all of a sudden, there's a secret episode nine.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
In other words, all the people that are really mad
about the finale going ok oh, there's gotta be a
fever dream about one un or the other, a fan
fiction ending to a Strangers where they're at, Like, I'm
upset that more characters didn't die.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
I was told that there would be death, that more
characters would die. That is part of the theory. They're
too happy And I want blood, I promise me blood.
I want everybody, dare you. I want Steve Debt, I
want Dustin Debt. I want Joyce debt. I mean, wouldn't
people want I wanted Dustin to do a little song
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and dance. My daughter was telling me years ago how
she saw him as part of a cast with Josh
Grobin and Sweeney Todd now the Demon Barber f right?
Oh okay? Was he was he wearing his Hawkins hat?
Was he wearing? No? But he came out and did
stage door and signed autographs and hung out. It was cool.
Uh So, just really quick because there's a player that
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I'm really I feel really bad for going into the
NFL drafts and has a lot to do with with
this story from the last twenty four hours. Now. We
didn't get into this a lot yesterday, but it's still
gaining a lot of more meant him today. And this
is you know, draft analyst Todd mcshae, formerly a ESPN
I've done shows with Todd. Todd's good dude h on
his I think he's on.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
YouTube on his shows is the one where you're you're
loading up the flare gun.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
To say I'm still here. And he said that if
he was Dante More Oregon quarterback, he would call the
Raiders and if the Raiders couldn't guarantee that they would
draft him number one. He would go back to school,
to go back, because nobody in the draft wants to
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be a New York Jet.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
Does he need a blood oath from spy Tech again,
one of the great names.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
I want Brady to tell me he's gonna draft me
or that's it. So this is Todd McShay saying that, hey,
nobody wants to be a Jet. I'd go back. You click,
You'd make more money. You know, you'd make seven to
ten million dollars at Oregon one more year, more than likely,
get another bite at the Apple next year, coming in
maybe you know, get picked a higher And before I
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tell you why this take is full of it, let
me just say there's not a lot that I disagree
with Tom when it comes to the Jets, because, yeah,
the Jets ruin quarterbacks. Man. They have shown you that
no matter who's in charge, we're gonna ruin you. You're
not coming in here and playing well, We're gonna ruin you. Right.
What do I always say? No matter whatever whatever the
Jets do, it's wrong. No matter what they do, it's
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rarely consistent. If they took Dante more, that would be wrong.
If they didn't take Dante Moore, that would be wrong.
Whatever they do is wrong. If there was some kind
of universe where the Jets could not make a decision
and just have it made for them, like the league
would be like, hey, we pick at number two, and
you get you know, the mood goes up there and says, hey,
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we really understand that we're gonna make the wrong selection.
So we're gonna let America vote and we're gonna put
these five guys up there, and whoever you vote for
in the next five minutes who're drafting number two overall.
Then it might work because the Jets aren't making that decision.
America is making that decision for the Jets.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
No, that could work, right, America votes like some of
those John Michael Higgins Late night Game show.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
America votes. America says, So, I get that, and I
get do you want to be a Jet? No? I
get that there's a hierarchy of teams for everybody in
the NFL, for everybody coming out of college where they
want to play, where they don't want to play, And
I get that the Jets is probably not the top
of everybody's list. But someone's going to go number two. Overall,
someone's going to be really excited to make a lot
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of money to walk up and hold that Jets jersey up.
So there is going to be that. But I get
it where there are franchise boy, I really don't want
to go here. I don't want to go here. Right.
We talked about it last year. Dion Sanders didn't want
Shador Sanders to go to all these different teams. I
get that. But here's where his point falls apart. And
I know it's just a lot of Jet hating because
he was friends at roommates right with Joe Douglas, friends
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with Joe Douglas for a long time, former Jets GM.
I get it. The fact where he loses me is saying,
if I'm Dante Moore, I call the Raiders at number one.
Hang on. The Raiders are a destination now, a team
that ruins quarterbacks just as bad as the Jets are,
just as big of a tire fire as the Jets are.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
Hey, they almost had an Edward a decade ago, maybe
even almost decade ago, and then the Jets almost made
the playoffs a decade ago, almost.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
Just that last game against the Bilding, last one. I'm sorry,
the Raiders. This is not where. Hey, the Jets pick
number two in the Steelers pick number one, or the
Jets pick number two in the forty nine Ers pick
number one. Hey, and go to a great situation here
because we happen to have the number one overall pick.
This is the Raiders, man. Everybody knows the tire Fire.
They are all the controversy this year Brady came in.
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It didn't help, right, you had a first year GM
and a seventy four year old head coach. No, of
course they're not going to be in the same timeline.
The Raiders have been the most embarrassing franchise in the
NFL for going on thirty years. The Jets are right
there with him. It's neck and neck. Don't sit here
and tell me that suddenly, Oh, I want the race.
You want to go to Dante Moore wants to go
to the Raiders. No, I don't want the Jets. I
want the other tire Fire instead. No I don't. She
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doesn't want any part of that at all. He wants
no part of either of those teams. Nobody wants to
be a Raider. He can't sit here and tell me.
People can't wait to be Raiders. That's not the case.
So I know it's a lot of jets hitting. I
get the point, but come on, man, the Raiders are
in a destination no one wants to go there. I
weep for Fernando Mendoza, who is coming out of a
situation where it's like Beauty in the Beast, where he
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wakes up every day, little town and there's everybody had
morning morning, Fernando, morning, sir. And everything is great in
his little town. He's in Bloomington. Now in Indiana, it's
like Shangri Law. It is Eden right now, and Indiana
is the center of football. Everything is good vibes. It's
it's chipmunks are singing songs every morning outside his window
(22:47):
right like it's a you know, everybody's walking out going
high ho, high ho. It's off to right now. You're
grabbing every movie hything right. It's not Ferritu, no, okay,
I mean it's a it's a Disney film. It's a
Disney film in Indiana. It's such a great situation. They
have a great they have a great vibe, a great
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head coach. He's all he's done is win. He's won
the Heisman Trophy, He is coming from a situation that
is all full of positivity and love and appreciation with
the game, and you're gonna dump him in Las Vegas. Hey,
go resurrect the Raiders. Whoa, whoa, whoa wait what the
quarterbacks go here to die? Yeah? Guy, but you're the
number one pick. Go do it. I weep for Fernando Mendez,
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who I already have questions about him anyway, but now
he's gonna start his career with the Raiders. Dude, Come on, man,
this is not a place anybody wants to start their career.
Raiders Jets. There are teams do You can't sit here
and tell me all the Raiders are great and the
Jets aren't. But look at Mendoza right coming off of
how much I love football by this time next year's going, Man,
I hate football. I'm so glad you off see in
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his air man because I was stuck with the Raiders
for the last twelve months. Like that, I mean, I
feel I weep for him from the The excellency is
coming from Indiana and he's gonna go to the Raiders. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
A couple of things with this first off at Swollen
do Matt, how about a Fresca at Fox Sports Radio.
Who's the Disney character? Uh, personified by Signetti.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
And all this? I need the gruff guy, right, Google
me is is this? Uh? Which of the Dwarves would
that this be? No, Signetti would be like salty No, no,
like Geppetto or something. He would but is always old no, no, no, no, no,
He's King Triton. That's who he is.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
He's he's gotta be some saltyess yea, right, and he's
got the try yeah built you know you gotta try.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
Sixty years old and he's really built up top. Sure,
yeah right there you count like JK. Simmons would be
the live as the lulldo they used hobby on dam
so either way? Yeah, he's dangerous, dangerous with with any
kind of weapon and no country for all. Flipped a
coin then he he just he just speared Sebastian with
that with that tread and he's eating him live. I
(24:55):
don't want to sell.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
He had a good run, but all of that to say, yeah,
he four years, forty six million dollars approximately, that's what
Travis Hunter got to go to Jacksonville. Jacksonville now on
the the playoff run that they're having and the success
with Liam Cohen.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
But we look at the situation here.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
You know, look, you got some clicks, he got some attention,
and it's a fun theoretical to your point. Would it
be the same call if it was a functional, stable organization.
Speaker 1 (25:25):
No, it wouldn't.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
But the Raiders are no better off. How many coaches
are they paying to have gone away for now?
Speaker 1 (25:32):
You know? More than that, I think they're still playing
Tom podc Wow. I mean Gruden left, he's got he
got you know whatever, They're still playing Tom Cable. Wow.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
Now you're going deep in the reservoir. But all of
that to say, they've got a lot of questions. I mean,
how much power do you think you and who's drafting
next year? Okay, that's that's the bigger thing. Like unless
a draft pick has been conferred and suddenly there's cast
right for when before their four games stretch at the
back end of the year, the Atlanta Falcons pick, which
is owned by the Rams, Suddenly it's like, oh, the
(26:03):
Rams have all this and they're gonna get a top
five here and everybody's mad. All right, it didn't end
up happening that way, But that's a circumstance where you go,
all right, well that I'm kind of interested, but otherwise.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
It's the same damn teams every year.
Speaker 2 (26:18):
You're going to the Raiders, You're going to the Jets,
You're going to the Browns, and then there's gonna.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
Be Cardinals are there too. You're head out pretty much everything.
So where do you like most See you next year
at the top of the draft. All right, have a
good offseason. It's like, what's up that allan? All the
movies same time next year? Next year? Ye. No, And
they remade that movie with Tina Fey right and Steve
Carell for Oh You're right, You're right a couple of
(26:45):
years ago. I want to say where it's about couples
that get together for vacation every year. It's like the
Jets and the Cardinals and the raidar all get together. Hey,
we're all together in the top five of the draft day.
We'll have some fun down in the off season. All right,
Hey see you next year. I have a good summer
man in the fall, right, we can hang out over
the summer. Yeah, it's great.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
Yeah, I mean remember also, Mendoza started his career as
a cow bear and left for Indiana.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
I'm gonna tell you the four Indiana order is gonna
go Indiana at the top, then Call and then the Raiders.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
And that's fine, but just saying that when he left
for Indiana, it was a lot of promise and a hope.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
Yeah, okay, right, and it worked out.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
So eventually you want to be that guy because think
about it, they'll build a statue, you'll be on the
sphere every night. If you win more than four games
with the damn Raiders next year, you become a hero.
And for the Jets, would someone would like to talk
about a quarterback other than Joe Namath or the butt fumble,
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so this would be great? Or continue to lament that
Gino Smith was good for a while before he went
to the Raiders, or that Sam Darnold has won twenty
eight games in the regular season the last two years,
combined on a new story and a new hero and
if it goes badly, well it goes badly. But if
you can become that guy for either of those franchise,
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think about what the trajectory I mentioned Derek Carr and
Jess because we play that it's broke, it's broke, But
the trajectory he was on he was potentially gonna win
an MVP.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
Yeah, okay, right then he got hurt.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
But then he got unfortunately never the same. But there
was a moment where it's like, it's the guy. Yeah,
it's finally the guy. He had the one year with
Rich Cannon and the old guys. But before that you
got to go back to Ken.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
Statler and everybody go back to Jim Plunkett may plunk it.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
Yeah, right, like we're going back forty years jets, same thing.
Speaker 1 (28:43):
So if you can win at all, he owned the
city man. Yeah, but I get that, But that sounds like,
how how do I sell it to you? Knowing full
well that it's a bag of crap? Hey, but if
you win here? That was like your t for Hotus Wagner.
You're trying. What about but the rest of the bag
of crap that you have? Yeah? No, But what I'm
saying is that, but if you can overcome this bag
(29:04):
of crap and win, boy, you will be a legend.
But am I gonna win here? Oh not at all?
But if you can somehow, you will be a legend. Yeah.
But otherwise, what's what's your option? All?
Speaker 2 (29:13):
Right?
Speaker 1 (29:14):
You know what I'm gonna opt out next year. Same thing.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
I guess you get to go make more money in college.
Eventually you got to come out. You are not blue
tire ski. You are not people that get to hang
around for eight ten years at a time. No, eventually
you have to go into the real world. You can
only get so many degrees before someone says that, hey,
your loans are due.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
You didn't know that is true. But when if you
want to postpone it, you can sure, because now it's
not it's not. Because this is what's changed things is
that now it's like, well, I could go back, I
could go back to school and and hope I get
luckier next year. But now it's like, oh, I can
still go back and make ten million dollars.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
Yeah, but that's the difference between Okay, I'm maybe a
second round guy, and certainly in basketball, we're gonna watch
that a lot because of the guarantee of it ends
after the first round. Yeah, we'll see guys, well, i
can make more money and I'm guaranteed to play. It's
still on my college life whatever, and I pigging money.
But for the NFL, like unless you're a non first
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round guy, like if you're projected mid round guy. Then
you say, all right, I'm going to petition for every
year I can, right, Pavia, please give me another year
because he's as tall as I am.
Speaker 1 (30:21):
Yeah, maybe he gets taller and he reputation probably didn't help. Dude,
taking kneel downs before a game though, that's a ball
or move though.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
You know what I mean, Like different things like that
that he did during the Heisman and then ripping Heisman
voter or whatever. That probably didn't help. But you can
go back to college because you're not a projected first
round pick. You go make some more money. You make
some fan base happy, you get some nil money, you
go sign some autographs, you do all that. You're great,
sign with the card companies, exclusives, et cetera. But if
you're a first round pick, it's time man, because again
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those teams are gonna be waiting for you next year.
Speaker 1 (30:54):
Oh yeah, look you always you always run the risk
of if I don't have as great a year next year,
what's gonna hapen? Like? Look look at Matt Lioner, right
if he came out after his junior year, Heisman Trophy year,
number one pick in the draft, no matter what. But
he decided to stay. Okay, won a national title. He
had the same kind of year, same kind of year,
senior year, didn't let you have it really bad, your
same kind of year. He got picked tenth, right, So
(31:15):
I mean, you know you run the risk of that
now in the end, is Dante More going to go
back to school rather than be the number two overall
pick in the draft? No? Probably not, But like you know,
but guys do have more options because they can make
more money. Obviously, guys like like I see a guy
like Quinn you Weers, going, dude, why did he go
to the NFL when he could have he could have
transferred somewhere, because you know, Texas wanted to go with
arch Manning and he could have transferred somewhere. Got seven
(31:37):
eight million dollars to play a senior year like Carson, Like,
that's kind of surprises me that you would you would do.
That's just it, right, Whose advice are you listening to? Right?
Speaker 2 (31:48):
Whether you're going to be a Day one selection or
even a Day two maybe that that still is all
right cool. But with Quinn Ewers, we watched him drifting, drifting, drifting,
not quite to brock Party level, right, damn close or
was he picked two thirty one or something like that. Yeah, right,
so it's and maybe he becomes the starter in Miami.
(32:09):
Is to what looks to be uh what was it?
Speaker 1 (32:12):
It would be dope, Yeah, don't go if I get
a fresh start somewhere else, Yeah, okay, right, so maybe
Quinn Ewers is the guy, as Mike McDaniel says, he's
gonna help pick the new g Yeah, and they move forward.
Speaker 2 (32:22):
That's great. But to your point, yeah, I mean his
contract was nothing. It's a negligible on a relative basis,
based on what he could.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
Have made for one more year of nil money at
another school. Uh so he was the near term loser
in that regard. But for you know, more of these guys,
if your first round pick, you're not risking that exit
about even even even you have to go play for
the G Yeah. I mean, look, it's a cool logo.
(32:50):
I mean you had a great looking shirt on that
log Yeah, that's the big selling point. That's kind of hard.
What kind of team are you gonna have? Look at
the logo, we're gonna you're gonna look good like that.
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Welcome inside final Hour tonight The Jason Smith Show with
my best friend Mike Harmon. Hobo. So I started watching
that sports collectible show on Netflix. Yeah, I need can
you give me two million dollars so I can buy
Jim Morrison's driver's license from nineteen sixty five? Two million? Yeah? Wow?
Couple million? Yeah, okay, hear me that. I mean, I'm
not asking for the Lebron triple logo man money. You know,
(00:52):
well you got that.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
I mean, we could go into the whole ersa collection.
I mean, there's a lot of different things we can
go into the marketplace. Yeah, it's fascinating.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
Show. Know.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
I've traversed in the whole card and collectible thing my
whole existence. So I see some of these grails that
I just start shaking my head going damn, trying to
explain the whole grating process and chaos to the care here.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
It's fun. See, I'm wondering if I could bring some
because it's not just you know, card collecting, which we
I mean, look, everybody knows opening the cards and the
you know, for different sports things. But could I just
make up some sort of real random like at Jim
Morrison driver's license, right, Like what if I say, hey,
I have Groucho Marx's underwear, you know, or like, and
I could sell it and get like can I just
make stuff like that up? Like, how are you gonna
(01:33):
check if I get an old pair of underwear from
like nineteen thirty that's Grautchel Marxes Underwell.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
I'm sure we could do some DNA tests. Look at inside,
it's got grouchy. It says GM, the initials in the
in the uh in magic marker on the tag. Well,
part of it comes down to your credibility. Your history
doesn't mean you won't find a single solitary buyer out
there that believes whatever story you come to.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
Sell, okay, because that's part of it.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
Yeah, the provenence of things, especially when they go in
this case, the TV show is Golden Auctions. It's like,
all right, give me the history. Where did you get it? Well,
who did they tell you they got it? And then
they have a team of people, especially if it's something
that may end up being worth six figures, that they're
going to track it back. So if you're gonna try
to claim you've got you know, what are Anthony Quinn's
(02:20):
T shirt like you're hanging out on Seinfeld, No.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
I would commit. I would say, hey, I have a
Honus Wagner T two o five. You mean T two
o six, No, T two oh five have the prototype only. Yeah,
it's a very It kind of looks like a picture
of you made up to look like it's right now.
It's a T two o five. It's it's T twol
five right here too. But as you can see, the
metadata tells me that there's like twelve or fifteen T
(02:46):
two o six. This is the only one T two
o five. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
I mean some of it you're spinning a yarn, and
some of it becomes trust and whether an auction house
wants to put faith in your story. Jason to traverse
the Nile River for a Honus Wagner T two o
four that I hear is an a galligator's mouth, and
I'm gonna pull it out. If you document that, you
could probably sell that movie, no doubt about that. But yes, uh,
(03:13):
the providence of old Hollywood stuff always comes up here.
A lot of fakes out there, certainly, But the Jim
Morrison driver's license.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
I hadn't seen that, Jason. Yeah, what do you for?
I got a man conditioned pin Alonzo oriole card for you.
Oh that's great. What's it worth? Two cents for you
to say? Grade thirty? It just came out the tops.
Now pe alans yell, it's say, smiling after hitting his
seventieth home run of the season. Yeah, okay, we'll see.
We'll see how that goes. Well, see how we'll see
how that p Alonzo contract ages. We'll see. Did I
(03:44):
underball it? No? No, no, you're I like the term underball,
and I like under Underball's pretty good. I like that
kind of that is safe heart. You you mean thunderball.
No underball, he strikes. It's the it's the it's the
adult film version of thunderball, that's what. But you got that.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
Look the thing with ped Alonzo, it doesn't have to
age well for the duration of the contract. But if
he hits well and they actually win and they're not looking,
I'll sell you the sign the cal Ripken number in
the back there at Oriel Park in Camden Yards. Okay,
with all pin assos holes from all the home runs
he's hitting it.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
Batting practice doesn't count. It's got to be in games.
You know he's gonna crush it pin Alons. You're gonna
cry after every one we play. I'll tell you this. Okay, Okay,
let's let's be conservative here. Let's bet I'll buy dinner.
If I win, you buy dinner. I'll buy dinner. If
you win, you buy dinner. If I win, I don't
buy dinner. Are very easy, pe Alonzo will hit less
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than thirty home runs this year, less than thirty home
runs for the OREO. Oh, you gonna put an injury
stuff saying less than thirty less. They'll take that bet
any second. And I'm not even gonna do an injury thing.
I'm not even gonna say if buy you a four
star dinner if it's under thirty five star dinner. So
that's like a big mac for you.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
So say, is that the name of a Burger for
some joint. I'm not aware he's gotta play thirty. I'll
take that bet right now.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
Okay, under thirty, he's got it, and he's got to
play like I don't want him to get hurt and
miss times and he's not going to hit it, so
he's got to play. What do you want to say?
One hundred and thirty? You can't do like Chipoltle. You
gotta do like Ruth Chris or something I said. I
saw by by dinner all the time. Man't buy fine,
well by what they're fine? Thirty home runs lessons? Right now?
All right, cool, very good. I gotta wait a whole much,
(05:27):
the whole season for a dinner from Frostberg. All right,
all right, well, you know the waiting is the hardest part.
Do you know how much garbage time in those Oriole
games there is? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (05:36):
From the second thirty, he's got twenty nine. Guy throws
him the epist melt down.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
Nine. I have a T two three pt alonzo verga. Uh.
You know, hey, do you think Rick card just for
a second, Rick Carl is stuck on nine to ninety
nine for thirteen games. Do you think he's going to
talk about how the officiating is rewarding the big market teams,
and that's why he hasn't won his thousands game yet.
That's what's happening. Rick Carlin, Why are you so bitter?
I'm just saying I'm kind of having fun with that.
You haven't won anything. That's it. We won the championship.
(06:08):
I don't know why we're still playing basketball. I watched
us win the championship. Confetti came down, they.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
Had hats and TJA pirate Steve came out with ches,
the money and jewels won the championship.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
I saw us beat the Spurs and win. We won
the title. It's it's over. What are you talking about? Uh? Now?
New details are coming in surrounding the firing of John Harball.
There's some NFL Network insider Ian Rappaport a couple hours ago. Look,
we've talked about the Harball situation with a bunch of
different angles today. A different one coming up here the
next couple of minutes. But first, a lot of it,
(06:42):
according to Ian Rappaport, came down to the fact that
many players, including Lamar Jackson, were in entus playing another
season for John Harball. Now, obviously it's been okay for
the last eight years, but this year it's not been
even reports. That's some coaches, right, We're not happy with
the way things were going. So this was the reason
(07:04):
that John Harball was give. One of the reasons given
for him being fired is that, well, when the players
and coaches were having problems, will guess what you're gonna go? Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
Then he wanted to keep the DC as one of
the big sticking points. And you know, just for context
and history in the as we celebrate and commemorate his
eighteen years, remember he was terrible for a number of
years before Lamar Jackson showed up on the scene.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
I mean, look, I give him the nod for being
able to be the quarterback that said, I know, Joey
won the Super Bowl, that's great, but I have to
go Lamar's the guy now. And that's a tough thing
to do because he had a lot of loyalty to Flacco.
But he made the right football decision. Lamar's the guy,
and they went right to Lamar and Flacco's like, well,
you're just kicking me to the curb and won the
Super Bowl. Man, I'm elite. Yeah, I know you threw
(07:47):
that big moon ball. Against the Broncos on the plaid. Yeah, yeh, yeah,
that's fine. So that's a tough decision that he made. Now,
we talked about this earlier in the show that we
knew in September if they didn't win, he was going
to be out because you couldn't go for especially if
it's him or Lamar Jackson, which are the only two
constants over this last eight years. Lamar was gonna win
and Harball was gonna lose. And when I say this,
(08:12):
it's gonna be more of of a point that hits home. Yeah,
they really had to move on. Lamar has been in
the league eight years. It's been a weird year, right,
Like the fact that now we're hearing that there is
some kind of tension with Lamar and Harbaugh, the fact
that Lamar wasn't the same quarterback he played some games.
You're wondering is he hurt? Is he not? Is he
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really going forth with with the with the effort needed
to win games like he has in the past. Like
all of a sudden questions about how he feels about
Harbor were out there. He didn't endorse Harbaugh after the
game on Sunday, which he could have, so you knew
there was something odd going on this year with Harbaugh
and and and with with Lamar Jackson. But if you
(08:54):
had to give an NFL comp for Lamar Jackson right now,
this is nothing should tell you that he needs another
head coach and this is the right move. More than this.
Every generation, sometimes we get the same player. They come in, Oh,
this is this guy. Is this guy of the two thousands,
this is the guy of the nineties. If you were
looking at the comp from Lamar Jackson right now in
Stan Marino. Different skill set obviously, but you're talking about
(09:18):
a top five quarterback in the game. His teams were
competitive every year, but for some reason, they were never
good enough to win the Super Bowl.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
Changing the game but not getting over right, I mean,
because Lamar was that next generation right marine steel set.
Marino was the first guy to really light it up
and push the ball all over the place.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
His quick release coming in. He was the first video
game quarterback, right like Dan Fouts and the and and
Air Coriel was fun, sure, but Marino was the Wow,
look at this guy. Look at the way he can
throw the football, Look at what he does unlike anything
we've seen. Got to the Super Bowl, his second year,
never got back right for different reasons. Right, Sometimes the
defense would let him down in a playoff game. Sometimes
(09:57):
it was turnovers. Sometimes the offense couldn't get They lost
a home game in the AFC title game to the
Bills once I think ten to seven was a final score.
And sometimes in like nineteen ninety three, so the same
thing for Lamar Jackson. Sometimes they lose in the playoffs
because Lamar throws a couple of picks. Sometimes because Mark
Andrews doesn't catch a pass in the end zone. Timetimes,
Billy Kundiff misses a field goal. Sometimes Tyler Loop misses
(10:19):
a field goal. But for whatever reason, they couldn't get there.
And when you think about Lamar Jackson and being the
being Dann Reener, you don't want that comp you don't
want to be known as great quarterback, never won it.
And that's where Lamar Jackson is with his career right
now and being a more physical running quarterback. His prime
is going to be a lot less. It's maybe another
(10:40):
three ish or four years before he starts slowing down.
That's just the way it is for the business, right,
It's way it goes. Every quarterback that's a dual threat guy,
especially the number of carries that Lamar Jackson's had throughout
his career. Yeah, when you get to thirty one, thirty two,
thirty three, that's that's kind of going to be it.
So he needs something because right now it's like, look,
if you put the over under for suon Super Bowls
(11:00):
for him at a half, I still would take the under.
I don't think they're ever gonna make it. They're not
closer with this team. But you needed a new guy
to come in with fresh ideas that could get you there.
Jim Harbaugh, John Harbor. Jim Harbaugh's fine, he's got a job.
John Harbaugh had eight years. You had the best of
Lamar Jackson and the best of John Harbaugh, and you
(11:21):
couldn't get there. So you need there to be some
kind of change. Lamar's not going anywhere, so you need
some new fresh ideas. Look, eighteen years of the team overall,
eventually you gonna need somebody else in there with new ideas,
fresh ideas, a new way to do things. And you
can't risk the team getting stagnant, getting apathetic. And if
this is the case, the end of the year where
the team was less than enthusiastic about playing for John Harbaugh.
(11:42):
Then absolutely you needed somebody else in there. They had
to do this, They had to go in. But especially
when you look at where the comp for Lamar Jackson
is right now. Oh absolutely, Hey, I could be the
Dan Marino of the new Dan. No no, no no,
I got to get the Super Bowl. I got at
least we need to make a change now to go forward.
That this was the right call.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
Yeah, one of the details was that it was that
he was adamant of retaining Zach Orr And we talked
about how bad that defense was for a good chunk
of the season, at times based on opponent, and this
is where you know you start lies damn lie statistics
in a given game where all right, the defense looked
really great, all right, were you're playing a team that
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was clicking offensively or.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
Were they bit a bit toothless. There were only two
teams with fewer sacks this year than the Baltimore Raven
the Jets. Yeah. Anytime you say there's only one team
with fewer the Jets, the word is fewer the Jets,
You're right.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
And then you had the San Francisco forty nine ers
were the last team in the league. They had twenty
jets with twenty five, Baltimore was tied with Carolina and
Arizona down at the bottom with thirty. And you talk
about generating pressure and giving support to your offense, which
was without the Jackson for a stretch. You start season
(13:02):
one in five, you go on a five game winning streak,
Snoop Huntley plays well in spots, you ride Derrick Henry
until with great questions and consternation, you decide to take
the ball out of his hands. And you have all
these different circumstances. At some point you got to stop
the bleeding.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
Right.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
We watched for years with Cincinnati. And it doesn't mean
you're not a good coach. Right, It goes are you
A to B and staying at B? Where there becomes unrest,
the message isn't working anymore and the principles are dissatisfied.
In this case, Lamar Jackson as to where where the
trajectory is going for I like Zay Flowers, a good player,
(13:42):
had a monster game this year, But is he is
he your go to week to week?
Speaker 1 (13:47):
No? He has big pops now and again, but otherwise
he's not the other receivers you have DeAndre Hopkins is
good once in a while, but he ain't what he
was right, and go on down the line. Andrews Isaiah
likely had a big catch, I say because one has
in one.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
But he was a guy that we were expecting bigs
things from. Didn't see it. So all of that to say,
we watched Marvin Lewis in Division for years with Cincinnati.
They had a lot of great talent, right, a lot
of great years, went to the playoffs year after year,
but you weren't getting over.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
So when he got fired, everybody got mad. It's like,
you're not You're not moving forward like you did a
great status and congratulations on moving that floor up, but
that's it the ceiling.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
You're still hitting your head. The Bears Lovey Smith got
him to a Super Bowl, Prince played Purple.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
Rain in the rain. Hey, all of that, and then
they could win in December and could win in Division.
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check I on not Rick Carlisle still stuck on nine
hundred ninety nine career wins.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
Oh look at you? Well, you know we've been doing this.
Is this your full Knicks fan? Things been really coming
through on a big level. We've been doing this every
day since December eighth. Come on, man Rick Carlisle eight
in one thousand so much.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
Don't stop at just December eighth. You gotta go with
twenty twenty five's right, Yeah, that's true. Yeah, all the
way back last year, last year when this happened, Well,
he had a good run. I'm trying to think, like
I think, like December eighth, we still had no idea.
We were still we were still two and a half
weeks away from the second drop of Stranger Things. Uh yeah,
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TV shows.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
I mean, you know all the theories that are out
there right now that sometime in the next twenty four hours,
all of a sudden, there's a secret episode nine.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
In other words, all the people that are really mad
about the finale going ok oh, there's gotta be a
fever dream about one un or the other, a fan
fiction ending to a Strangers where they're at, Like, I'm
upset that more characters didn't die.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
I was told that there would be death, that more
characters would die. That is part of the theory. They're
too happy And I want blood, I promise me blood.
I want everybody, dare you. I want Steve Debt, I
want Dustin Debt. I want Joyce debt. I mean, wouldn't
people want I wanted Dustin to do a little song
(17:26):
and dance. My daughter was telling me years ago how
she saw him as part of a cast with Josh
Grobin and Sweeney Todd now the Demon Barber f right?
Oh okay? Was he was he wearing his Hawkins hat?
Was he wearing? No? But he came out and did
stage door and signed autographs and hung out. It was cool.
Uh So, just really quick because there's a player that
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I'm really I feel really bad for going into the
NFL drafts and has a lot to do with with
this story from the last twenty four hours. Now. We
didn't get into this a lot yesterday, but it's still
gaining a lot of more meant him today. And this
is you know, draft analyst Todd mcshae, formerly a ESPN
I've done shows with Todd. Todd's good dude h on
his I think he's on.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
YouTube on his shows is the one where you're you're
loading up the flare gun.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
To say I'm still here. And he said that if
he was Dante More Oregon quarterback, he would call the
Raiders and if the Raiders couldn't guarantee that they would
draft him number one. He would go back to school,
to go back, because nobody in the draft wants to
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be a New York Jet.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
Does he need a blood oath from spy Tech again,
one of the great names.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
I want Brady to tell me he's gonna draft me
or that's it. So this is Todd McShay saying that, hey,
nobody wants to be a Jet. I'd go back. You click,
You'd make more money. You know, you'd make seven to
ten million dollars at Oregon one more year, more than likely,
get another bite at the Apple next year, coming in
maybe you know, get picked a higher And before I
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tell you why this take is full of it, let
me just say there's not a lot that I disagree
with Tom when it comes to the Jets, because, yeah,
the Jets ruin quarterbacks. Man. They have shown you that
no matter who's in charge, we're gonna ruin you. You're
not coming in here and playing well, We're gonna ruin you. Right.
What do I always say? No matter whatever whatever the
Jets do, it's wrong. No matter what they do, it's
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rarely consistent. If they took Dante more, that would be wrong.
If they didn't take Dante Moore, that would be wrong.
Whatever they do is wrong. If there was some kind
of universe where the Jets could not make a decision
and just have it made for them, like the league
would be like, hey, we pick at number two, and
you get you know, the mood goes up there and says, hey,
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we really understand that we're gonna make the wrong selection.
So we're gonna let America vote and we're gonna put
these five guys up there, and whoever you vote for
in the next five minutes who're drafting number two overall.
Then it might work because the Jets aren't making that decision.
America is making that decision for the Jets.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
No, that could work, right, America votes like some of
those John Michael Higgins Late night Game show.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
America votes. America says, So, I get that, and I
get do you want to be a Jet? No? I
get that there's a hierarchy of teams for everybody in
the NFL, for everybody coming out of college where they
want to play, where they don't want to play, And
I get that the Jets is probably not the top
of everybody's list. But someone's going to go number two. Overall,
someone's going to be really excited to make a lot
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of money to walk up and hold that Jets jersey up.
So there is going to be that. But I get
it where there are franchise boy, I really don't want
to go here. I don't want to go here. Right.
We talked about it last year. Dion Sanders didn't want
Shador Sanders to go to all these different teams. I
get that. But here's where his point falls apart. And
I know it's just a lot of Jet hating because
he was friends at roommates right with Joe Douglas, friends
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with Joe Douglas for a long time, former Jets GM.
I get it. The fact where he loses me is saying,
if I'm Dante Moore, I call the Raiders at number one.
Hang on. The Raiders are a destination now, a team
that ruins quarterbacks just as bad as the Jets are,
just as big of a tire fire as the Jets are.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
Hey, they almost had an Edward a decade ago, maybe
even almost decade ago, and then the Jets almost made
the playoffs a decade ago, almost.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
Just that last game against the Bilding, last one. I'm sorry,
the Raiders. This is not where. Hey, the Jets pick
number two in the Steelers pick number one, or the
Jets pick number two in the forty nine Ers pick
number one. Hey, and go to a great situation here
because we happen to have the number one overall pick.
This is the Raiders, man. Everybody knows the tire Fire.
They are all the controversy this year Brady came in.
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It didn't help, right, you had a first year GM
and a seventy four year old head coach. No, of
course they're not going to be in the same timeline.
The Raiders have been the most embarrassing franchise in the
NFL for going on thirty years. The Jets are right
there with him. It's neck and neck. Don't sit here
and tell me that suddenly, Oh, I want the race.
You want to go to Dante Moore wants to go
to the Raiders. No, I don't want the Jets. I
want the other tire Fire instead. No I don't. She
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doesn't want any part of that at all. He wants
no part of either of those teams. Nobody wants to
be a Raider. He can't sit here and tell me.
People can't wait to be Raiders. That's not the case.
So I know it's a lot of jets hitting. I
get the point, but come on, man, the Raiders are
in a destination no one wants to go there. I
weep for Fernando Mendoza, who is coming out of a
situation where it's like Beauty in the Beast, where he
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wakes up every day, little town and there's everybody had
morning morning, Fernando, morning, sir. And everything is great in
his little town. He's in Bloomington. Now in Indiana, it's
like Shangri Law. It is Eden right now, and Indiana
is the center of football. Everything is good vibes. It's
it's chipmunks are singing songs every morning outside his window
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right like it's a you know, everybody's walking out going
high ho, high ho. It's off to right now. You're
grabbing every movie hything right. It's not Ferritu, no, okay,
I mean it's a it's a Disney film. It's a
Disney film in Indiana. It's such a great situation. They
have a great they have a great vibe, a great
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head coach. He's all he's done is win. He's won
the Heisman Trophy, He is coming from a situation that
is all full of positivity and love and appreciation with
the game, and you're gonna dump him in Las Vegas. Hey,
go resurrect the Raiders. Whoa, whoa, whoa wait what the
quarterbacks go here to die? Yeah? Guy, but you're the
number one pick. Go do it. I weep for Fernando Mendez,
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who I already have questions about him anyway, but now
he's gonna start his career with the Raiders. Dude, Come on, man,
this is not a place anybody wants to start their career.
Raiders Jets. There are teams do You can't sit here
and tell me all the Raiders are great and the
Jets aren't. But look at Mendoza right coming off of
how much I love football by this time next year's going, Man,
I hate football. I'm so glad you off see in
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his air man because I was stuck with the Raiders
for the last twelve months. Like that, I mean, I
feel I weep for him from the The excellency is
coming from Indiana and he's gonna go to the Raiders. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
A couple of things with this first off at Swollen
do Matt, how about a Fresca at Fox Sports Radio.
Who's the Disney character? Uh, personified by Signetti.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
And all this? I need the gruff guy, right, Google
me is is this? Uh? Which of the Dwarves would
that this be? No, Signetti would be like salty No, no,
like Geppetto or something. He would but is always old no, no, no, no, no,
He's King Triton. That's who he is.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
He's he's gotta be some saltyess yea, right, and he's
got the try yeah built you know you gotta try.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
Sixty years old and he's really built up top. Sure,
yeah right there you count like JK. Simmons would be
the live as the lulldo they used hobby on dam
so either way? Yeah, he's dangerous, dangerous with with any
kind of weapon and no country for all. Flipped a
coin then he he just he just speared Sebastian with
that with that tread and he's eating him live. I
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don't want to sell.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
He had a good run, but all of that to say, yeah,
he four years, forty six million dollars approximately, that's what
Travis Hunter got to go to Jacksonville. Jacksonville now on
the the playoff run that they're having and the success
with Liam Cohen.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
But we look at the situation here.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
You know, look, you got some clicks, he got some attention,
and it's a fun theoretical to your point. Would it
be the same call if it was a functional, stable organization.
Speaker 1 (25:25):
No, it wouldn't.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
But the Raiders are no better off. How many coaches
are they paying to have gone away for now?
Speaker 1 (25:32):
You know? More than that, I think they're still playing
Tom podc Wow. I mean Gruden left, he's got he
got you know whatever, They're still playing Tom Cable. Wow.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
Now you're going deep in the reservoir. But all of
that to say, they've got a lot of questions. I mean,
how much power do you think you and who's drafting
next year? Okay, that's that's the bigger thing. Like unless
a draft pick has been conferred and suddenly there's cast
right for when before their four games stretch at the
back end of the year, the Atlanta Falcons pick, which
is owned by the Rams, Suddenly it's like, oh, the
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Rams have all this and they're gonna get a top
five here and everybody's mad. All right, it didn't end
up happening that way, But that's a circumstance where you go,
all right, well that I'm kind of interested, but otherwise.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
It's the same damn teams every year.
Speaker 2 (26:18):
You're going to the Raiders, You're going to the Jets,
You're going to the Browns, and then there's gonna.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
Be Cardinals are there too. You're head out pretty much everything.
So where do you like most See you next year
at the top of the draft. All right, have a
good offseason. It's like, what's up that allan? All the
movies same time next year? Next year? Ye. No, And
they remade that movie with Tina Fey right and Steve
Carell for Oh You're right, You're right a couple of
(26:45):
years ago. I want to say where it's about couples
that get together for vacation every year. It's like the
Jets and the Cardinals and the raidar all get together. Hey,
we're all together in the top five of the draft day.
We'll have some fun down in the off season. All right,
Hey see you next year. I have a good summer
man in the fall, right, we can hang out over
the summer. Yeah, it's great.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
Yeah, I mean remember also, Mendoza started his career as
a cow bear and left for Indiana.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
I'm gonna tell you the four Indiana order is gonna
go Indiana at the top, then Call and then the Raiders.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
And that's fine, but just saying that when he left
for Indiana, it was a lot of promise and a hope.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
Yeah, okay, right, and it worked out.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
So eventually you want to be that guy because think
about it, they'll build a statue, you'll be on the
sphere every night. If you win more than four games
with the damn Raiders next year, you become a hero.
And for the Jets, would someone would like to talk
about a quarterback other than Joe Namath or the butt fumble,
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so this would be great? Or continue to lament that
Gino Smith was good for a while before he went
to the Raiders, or that Sam Darnold has won twenty
eight games in the regular season the last two years,
combined on a new story and a new hero and
if it goes badly, well it goes badly. But if
you can become that guy for either of those franchise,
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think about what the trajectory I mentioned Derek Carr and
Jess because we play that it's broke, it's broke, But
the trajectory he was on he was potentially gonna win
an MVP.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
Yeah, okay, right then he got hurt.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
But then he got unfortunately never the same. But there
was a moment where it's like, it's the guy. Yeah,
it's finally the guy. He had the one year with
Rich Cannon and the old guys. But before that you
got to go back to Ken.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
Statler and everybody go back to Jim Plunkett may plunk it.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
Yeah, right, like we're going back forty years jets, same thing.
Speaker 1 (28:43):
So if you can win at all, he owned the
city man. Yeah, but I get that, But that sounds like,
how how do I sell it to you? Knowing full
well that it's a bag of crap? Hey, but if
you win here? That was like your t for Hotus Wagner.
You're trying. What about but the rest of the bag
of crap that you have? Yeah? No, But what I'm
saying is that, but if you can overcome this bag
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of crap and win, boy, you will be a legend.
But am I gonna win here? Oh not at all?
But if you can somehow, you will be a legend. Yeah.
But otherwise, what's what's your option? All?
Speaker 2 (29:13):
Right?
Speaker 1 (29:14):
You know what I'm gonna opt out next year. Same thing.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
I guess you get to go make more money in college.
Eventually you got to come out. You are not blue
tire ski. You are not people that get to hang
around for eight ten years at a time. No, eventually
you have to go into the real world. You can
only get so many degrees before someone says that, hey,
your loans are due.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
You didn't know that is true. But when if you
want to postpone it, you can sure, because now it's
not it's not. Because this is what's changed things is
that now it's like, well, I could go back, I
could go back to school and and hope I get
luckier next year. But now it's like, oh, I can
still go back and make ten million dollars.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
Yeah, but that's the difference between Okay, I'm maybe a
second round guy, and certainly in basketball, we're gonna watch
that a lot because of the guarantee of it ends
after the first round. Yeah, we'll see guys, well, i
can make more money and I'm guaranteed to play. It's
still on my college life whatever, and I pigging money.
But for the NFL, like unless you're a non first
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round guy, like if you're projected mid round guy. Then
you say, all right, I'm going to petition for every
year I can, right, Pavia, please give me another year
because he's as tall as I am.
Speaker 1 (30:21):
Yeah, maybe he gets taller and he reputation probably didn't help. Dude,
taking kneel downs before a game though, that's a ball
or move though.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
You know what I mean, Like different things like that
that he did during the Heisman and then ripping Heisman
voter or whatever. That probably didn't help. But you can
go back to college because you're not a projected first
round pick. You go make some more money. You make
some fan base happy, you get some nil money, you
go sign some autographs, you do all that. You're great,
sign with the card companies, exclusives, et cetera. But if
you're a first round pick, it's time man, because again
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those teams are gonna be waiting for you next year.
Speaker 1 (30:54):
Oh yeah, look you always you always run the risk
of if I don't have as great a year next year,
what's gonna hapen? Like? Look look at Matt Lioner, right
if he came out after his junior year, Heisman Trophy year,
number one pick in the draft, no matter what. But
he decided to stay. Okay, won a national title. He
had the same kind of year, same kind of year,
senior year, didn't let you have it really bad, your
same kind of year. He got picked tenth, right, So
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I mean, you know you run the risk of that
now in the end, is Dante More going to go
back to school rather than be the number two overall
pick in the draft? No? Probably not, But like you know,
but guys do have more options because they can make
more money. Obviously, guys like like I see a guy
like Quinn you Weers, going, dude, why did he go
to the NFL when he could have he could have
transferred somewhere, because you know, Texas wanted to go with
arch Manning and he could have transferred somewhere. Got seven
(31:37):
eight million dollars to play a senior year like Carson, Like,
that's kind of surprises me that you would you would do.
That's just it, right, Whose advice are you listening to? Right?
Speaker 2 (31:48):
Whether you're going to be a Day one selection or
even a Day two maybe that that still is all
right cool. But with Quinn Ewers, we watched him drifting, drifting, drifting,
not quite to brock Party level, right, damn close or
was he picked two thirty one or something like that. Yeah, right,
so it's and maybe he becomes the starter in Miami.
(32:09):
Is to what looks to be uh what was it?
Speaker 1 (32:12):
It would be dope, Yeah, don't go if I get
a fresh start somewhere else, Yeah, okay, right, so maybe
Quinn Ewers is the guy, as Mike McDaniel says, he's
gonna help pick the new g Yeah, and they move forward.
Speaker 2 (32:22):
That's great. But to your point, yeah, I mean his
contract was nothing. It's a negligible on a relative basis,
based on what he could.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
Have made for one more year of nil money at
another school. Uh so he was the near term loser
in that regard. But for you know, more of these guys,
if your first round pick, you're not risking that exit
about even even even you have to go play for
the G Yeah. I mean, look, it's a cool logo.
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I mean you had a great looking shirt on that
log Yeah, that's the big selling point. That's kind of hard.
What kind of team are you gonna have? Look at
the logo, we're gonna you're gonna look good like that.
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