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Speaker 2 (00:23):
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Speaker 1 (00:29):
Hello, Welcome inside Final Hour tonight the Jason Smith Show
with my best friend Mike Harmon.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
Brew Brook back personally.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
Congratulations with the Seahawks. Yeah, number one seed in the NFC,
tremendous achievement.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
We talked about Sam Drono Blast hour, blah blah blah,
Najo to the controvert. Apologize great, Greg, Greg apologize. We
don't have time for that radio. There's no time for that.
Run No I di I okay, Sam Darnold, I'm sorry.
The Jets ruined you.
Speaker 4 (01:05):
Stop. That's at you defamated him? Okay, I what you
know what you did? I don't think you know what
you just said, really defamated and defecated way.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
So pooka nakua proving that you know, Hey, you don't
really hit rock bottom. You can continue to dig uh
recap this for you here before we get to Sean McVay,
because wow, uh the backdrop of tonight's game with the
Rams and the Seahawks Pookinakua yesterday doing a live stream
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insulting the officials in the NFL saying that hey, they
just want to get screen time and he's not a
big fan, thinks officials are the absolute worst.
Speaker 5 (01:56):
Now, the to take it further one step back was
the fact that they were trying to do the live
stream at the facility. Yeah, so the Rams and Sean
McVay were already involved of yeah, that's not gonna happen. Yeah,
so that sets the table for the later Eh. The
officials they want their their billboards. So this is Puoka
(02:18):
because you need to hear the audio from yesterday. This
is Pooka uh not being fans of any referees in
the National Football League because there's just something the rules.
Speaker 6 (02:27):
Aren't then, like these guys want to be These guys
are lawyers and like real they want to be on
TV too.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
Brother, Like off the game, you don't think he's he's
texting his friends in.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
The group chat, like Yo, you guys just saw me
Sunday Night football like that.
Speaker 7 (02:41):
That wasn't p I like, but I called it. I
was serious, did you do that?
Speaker 3 (02:44):
I mean, these guys are noble human beings too.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
Okay, so they're the worst. They're they're normal human beings,
but they're the worst.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
Wow.
Speaker 5 (02:52):
Okay, it's like I have proof that they do this,
not just I'm throwing up a theory against the wall.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
This is like, you know, you know what It's like.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
It's almost, you know, we talk about the the the
evolution of plug people from Hey, they're just a good
superstar everybody loves, and then they start getting jaded and learn.
It's almost like a little bit like Steam and Willy
Beaman from any given Sunday right Jamie Fox shows. I
already likes him. He was throwing up on the sideline.
Then all of a sudden things get really weird. He
starts doing videos and stuff, and I mean, this.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
Is pookin cool.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
It's like, yeah, that whole yeah, that whole mediing, clean
cut superstar that was all last year.
Speaker 8 (03:28):
Man.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
Now I'll get down and dirty and I'll insult the referee.
Speaker 5 (03:30):
So is this his version of like mc hammers pumps
in a bump, which is what Willy Beaman did during
during I mean.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
Come on steaming, Willy Bean.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
And so Pooka says that yesterday apologizes for something else.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
He said in the live stream something you don't know
how to do that.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
Yeah, a dance that was that that's viewed as anti semitic.
He apologized for us and he didn't know what it was.
But we need to stick to the official part of
this because that's what plays into tonight and and what
we are going to play from Sean McVay. So, tonight's
game for the Rams, they had what nine penalties called
against them, nine penalties. A couple of them were pretty bad.
(04:11):
The first touchdown that got taken off the board and
they kicked the field goal was because a lineman was
ineligibly downfield and the play was at the Seahawks one
yard line.
Speaker 3 (04:19):
Yeah, suspect guy.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
And you know, and the thing is it was a
new guard, right, their starting guard had gotten hurt. This
is a new player coming in and he just bulldozed
the defensive tackle and the DT kind of pulls him
down and because he buldos him into the end zone,
they called an eligible man down.
Speaker 5 (04:33):
Yeah, I mean, what do you got a three yard window?
So you're being technically beyond that. So it was an
eight to five, but eight penalty different. Well, just so
we know, fifty four yards against forty created so a
couple of big penalties. You had the big penalty on
the kickoff to start overtime where they were going to
start at the fifty, but a holding penalty on the
Rams they started back at the twenty. Didn't matter because
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the Rams went and scored a touch on the drive,
so it didn't matter. But there were a bunch of
penalties every time you see them.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
Of course, going off of what Puka said a day ago,
it becomes a story. You would think, Okay, Sean McVay,
I'm gonna put a lid on this and no more
live streams, and Puka kind of gets that he shouldn't
be saying stuff like that not ninety seconds after the
game was over, and I'm not being you know, playing
with time here ninety seconds, which means he must have
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ran to the locker room as fast as he ran
to the end zone on his last touchdown to get
to his phone to tweet out can you say I
was wrong? Appreciate you Stripes for your contribution.
Speaker 3 (05:33):
Lol.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
This is Puka about ninety seconds after the game. The
game ended, East.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
Coast time eight fifty three itch.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
Because I remember talking about it, you know, the minute
before we finished the segment and had to.
Speaker 3 (05:46):
Go to break.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
It was like an eight fifty three thirty, So we
had like a minute to talk about the winning two
point conversion. And we have a pretty good time on
our clock here because it's pretty legit time. This is
not where we're five minutes off. On Twitter, that tweet
was timestamped eleven fifty five, So ninety seconds after the
(06:07):
game is over, we got that tweet from Pooka Nakua.
Can you say I was wrong? Appreciate you stripes for
your contribution.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
Lol.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
Now Pooka deleted it, but it doesn't matter because it
was screen grabbed and a lot of people have it.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
I mean, it's out there. He did this.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
Uh, you can delete it if you want to. However,
you know, when you know you tweet something, people are
gonna get it.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
Yeahs forever. Brad Paisley had a whole song about the
Internet is forever. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (06:31):
They're talking about taking your your selfies and all sorts
of other things that you would post no matter what
you think, it's out there in bits and fragments and
whatever forever. Now it's a question of all right, Pooka
himself or did he order the code red that Watch
how this game unfolds and then he just signals to
someone in the.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
Crowd and he just hit send.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
He had to get that tweet send it ready, he
just pressed that by telling you man Herm Edwards that
button that phone with the don't press send button like that.
I mean, really, he'd be an absolute. He'd be able
to buy the NFL with the money he would have.
People would buy that, teams would buy phones. Hey, I'm
buying fifty three phones from my guys every year that
don't press send button.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
I mean, rob, did you guys.
Speaker 5 (07:11):
Do with all the fines from people you know sending tweets?
Speaker 1 (07:15):
And well we bought a small island, so whoka tweets
that out? It gets deleted? Okay, Well, it's gonna take
a little while for this to get brought up, like
maybe we'll deal with it tomorrow. No, no, no, reporters
had it right away. And here is Rams head coach
Sean McVay being caught off guard with that information in
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his postgame press conference, Let's hear from Sean McVay.
Speaker 7 (07:40):
David mcaveil. Shot there the revs.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
I mean, what are you?
Speaker 7 (07:43):
What are you talking about? You just put something on Twitter?
Accord points, Yeah, you know, so what are you asking
me right now? Do you are you? I can't answerr
questions about something that I'm not aware of.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
Okay, but are you okay with players kind of expressing
frustration or things like that or is.
Speaker 7 (07:57):
That something that you hope that they kind of keep themselves.
Speaker 6 (08:00):
I got to have more information before I answer any
of those kind of questions.
Speaker 7 (08:03):
What a conversations have you had with about his live
stream this week? Yeah, he was very apologetic.
Speaker 6 (08:08):
I don't think he understood the totality of some of
the things.
Speaker 7 (08:11):
I think he issued that apology.
Speaker 6 (08:12):
I know this guy's heart man for anybody that was offended,
terribly sorry about that. I know he feels that same
exact way as a young guy. That's a great kid
that's continuing to learn about, you know, just the platform
that he has.
Speaker 3 (08:25):
I love him.
Speaker 6 (08:25):
We're going to continue to put an arm around him
and help him learn and grow. But we never want
to do things that ever offend anybody, and I know
he feels that same way.
Speaker 7 (08:33):
How about to.
Speaker 6 (08:33):
Give them those guys coming onto your property at the
facility in a short week as you're preparing for the
biggest Yeah, I.
Speaker 7 (08:42):
Don't know anything about that stuff.
Speaker 6 (08:44):
They came home and property outside part.
Speaker 7 (08:48):
He said on the Life stew as you were mad,
I was. I don't think that he did he say
my name? He said boss is awesome. I assume with
those he was amazing. Any distraction this week, No, it
wasn't a distraction at all.
Speaker 6 (09:03):
Did he did you think his play showed that he
was distracted? I didn't think so either. He went off
today he didn't, you know what? And I apologize for
you know what. I love this team, and man, when
you put out as much as our group does and
you care so much about something and you come off short,
it's incredibly disappointing.
Speaker 7 (09:23):
But as it relates to just.
Speaker 6 (09:24):
The things that that you're asking, you know, we always
want to make sure that we handle ourselves with class,
learn from it, or put my arm around him and
continue to educate our guys.
Speaker 7 (09:32):
I love this team, I love his heart.
Speaker 6 (09:35):
I think he's going to continue to grow and mature,
and I'm going to be there right there with him
to continue to.
Speaker 7 (09:40):
Help do that.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
You know, Okay, guys, you're good, You're good, You're good,
and you know. He walked away, and he walked up
to Pooka and he did the whole dumbledore to Harry,
did you put your name with the gobblet of fire?
Speaker 3 (09:51):
He went up and said, did you really tweet out
something about the officier run after the game? Tell me, Harry,
did you do that? Did you put your name? Did
you put your name on that tweet? Harry? Did you
do that? Harry?
Speaker 1 (09:59):
Did you did you do that?
Speaker 3 (10:01):
You know how mad?
Speaker 5 (10:02):
He wait?
Speaker 1 (10:02):
Puka said what I'm not gonna talk about it, but
you know, in Sean mcvay's brain, he is just seething
about it. And I give these reporters a ton of credit.
These are tough questions to ask Sean McVay after a game,
and generally I could see where they wouldn't be a
part of it if he didn't tweet what he did
after the game, Like if this was just hey, Pooka
(10:23):
said what he said in the live stream, They addressed it.
He apologized after the game. It's like, guys, come on.
We just played a game. He had two hundred twenty
five yards. He was awesome, we're over, we move past that.
I understand that. Maybe then okay, the reporters, maybe that's
not the time or place, but Pooka tweeting this opened
up that avenue for it, and I give these you know,
we talk about reporters asking bad questions all the time
(10:44):
and being afraid or not asking things the right way,
and that happens a lot. But these guys stayed on
it because that's the story. It's a big deal, and
I respect the hell of that out of them for
asking Sean McVay those questions, even though it was a
tough time to do it, right after the Rams gave
a game away. They probably should have one, and Sean
McVay has probably pissed his hell that they gave this
game away. But for the reporters to add to ask,
(11:04):
to continue to not just say one question, we're moving on,
and then somebody to jump in and go, uh so, hey, tonight,
what about Matthew and the game he played four and
fifty yards passing? Can you talk about that? Like to
stay on that like that's a that's a real that's
that's that's reporting one oh one on how to stay
with the story and ask the questions respectfully, not ask
the same thing over and over again, and go until okay,
(11:27):
we've exhausted this line of questioning and not just well,
one question and the guy's gonna say what he says.
Speaker 3 (11:31):
We're moving on. It's pretty good job. No, But that's it, right,
because it's a two parter.
Speaker 5 (11:35):
Like if he doesn't if he isn't aware of the
tweet from tonight, well, that's that's germane to the story, right,
because that means it's not over, it's not done, and
it's and it's not in your past.
Speaker 3 (11:45):
Yeah, you'll continue to love and hug and look, I
love Sean McVay.
Speaker 7 (11:49):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (11:50):
You know, I remember us being on air locally in
LA when all that hiring went on and kind of going, well,
I don't know, we'll see what happens. And he's been brilliant,
there's no question about it. And and I love the
energy and orosity that he handles these things. But when
we talk about the reporter side of it, yeah, it
would have been very easy to stop because you know
McVeigh took it in the direction of hey, he apologized
(12:12):
and he'll learn from that talking about the the dance,
the anti Semitic part of it, right, apologize for that.
Speaker 3 (12:20):
The official thing still still was hanging in the balance
a little bit.
Speaker 5 (12:24):
There's not really a formal apology as far as as
far as I'm aware comes down.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
I understand if you're Sean McVay about this is brand
new stuff. Maybe he doesn't know about it, because I'll
give benefit of out that maybe he didn't know that
Pooka tweeted that out by the time, because it's not
like someone's said, oh, hey, by the way, coach, you're
gonna get this question about Pooka after but not knowing
anything about it, not being able to talk to Puka
Nakula about it. I completely get where he's like, guys,
(12:52):
I'm not ready to talk about this right now. You
want me to say something, I'm not going to talk
about it now. So they pivoted to the questions about
the life, which is what you're supposed to do. That's
how you do it, and that's how he was such
a great Uh. That's like, you know, I would I
would play that line of questioning in a in a
class for kids through journalism. This is how you do
it right. You ask the questions about it when you
(13:12):
know you're not gonna get me more from a from
a from a person. Hey, you pivot and say okay,
but we're still it's still a big story, and you
ask the different questions like they did the right thing
about it. Because I get Sean mcvaigh say, hey, listen,
he'll have to address it at some point, and he will.
He's not gonna say I'm not talking about it.
Speaker 6 (13:28):
He will.
Speaker 3 (13:29):
He will.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
He will talk about it after he talks to Pooka
maybe tomorrow. But so I get that from his perspective.
But man, just again, mad props to reporters. I mean
that in classes tomorrow. Journalism classes should put that out there.
Rob Parker's journalism class. This is how you ask questions
after a game, Ask the tough questions after a game
where where a team walks and you know, the the energy,
(13:50):
the negative energy in the room is so palpable, but
still to do that outstanding.
Speaker 5 (13:54):
And then he can follow your lead on how to
write an apology to Sam Darnold, but any.
Speaker 3 (14:00):
And all of that glorgize to Sam Darnold.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
Sam, Sam, I'm sorry you were a jet because that
really set you on the wrong way.
Speaker 3 (14:08):
Say it like you mean it. I did. I'm sorry
he was a jet. It ruined his career. I said,
say it like you years Sam, I'm sorry you were
a jet. How like that? Is that good? Can I
have another?
Speaker 9 (14:18):
Go?
Speaker 3 (14:19):
Is that good? Kelly? I get another one?
Speaker 1 (14:27):
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Speaker 1 (15:34):
This is not gonna be the heartwarming Christmas song you
think it's gonna be.
Speaker 3 (15:38):
Yeah, probably not. Hey, Merry Christmas, everybody. Let's go before
(16:11):
you canceled, Jason, until you apologize, before you see the light.
You must die, Jason. We can't go on with Christmas
till you apologize. I I did my Sam darnold apology.
I did it.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
I cost everybody Christmas. I'm sorry he was a Jet.
I'm sorry that he's stunk as a jet, making this
a joke. I've said, Look, I said wonderful things about him.
Tonight is why you never ditch a quarterback. Take it
at the top of the NFL draft. There's a system
for everybody. He is the shiny example. There is a
system for everybody. But half the teams he's been on
(16:45):
it's not been the right system. Half the team has
been on it's been the right system right. It was
great with Minnesota, it's great with Seattle. It's stunk with
the Jets, it's stunk with the Panthers. He is a
He is the definition of a system quarterback.
Speaker 3 (16:59):
Christmas is canceled. Chris, tell your fault.
Speaker 5 (17:01):
You're getting cold, like Mel Gibson was giving everybody in
that movie. He was Santa Claus and Walton Goggins came after.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
Uh huh.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
So we had the Puka nakua controversy that we've talked
about the last half hour.
Speaker 3 (17:15):
It's insane.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
Now a couple of two point conversions want to play
for you from tonight. First, we'll have fun with this
before you get into the controversy. This is the final
call of the two point conversion, Darnald throwing it in
overtime for the Seahawks to win it thirty eight to
thirty seven. It's so exciting that the Seahawks play by
playing guys just don't even know what kind of score
(17:38):
it is.
Speaker 3 (17:40):
Thanks for you motion back inside his barner. Darnald pastime
looks hits.
Speaker 9 (17:46):
On hits time, make it extra point, make a conversion,
I don't.
Speaker 3 (17:51):
Care what it is. Could say all to win the game.
Hockin hold the.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
Last playing the game, I had a touchdown and conversion.
Speaker 5 (17:59):
I get doesn't matter. The Seahawks won, That's all I
care about. How drunk do you think our guy's soft
team I don't care, man, I don't care.
Speaker 3 (18:10):
Whatever. Whoever, however, as long as they cross that line,
I don't care. Man, Steve Rible, I think was I
don't care.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
Touchdown, dude, that we won, okay, slamming the headphones down.
Speaker 3 (18:20):
We won the game. I don't give a crap. Doesn't matter.
I know that's two points and we won the game.
It's a long game.
Speaker 7 (18:27):
We won.
Speaker 3 (18:28):
I'm going on. That's all. I'm done. I'm done.
Speaker 1 (18:30):
I'm like Jason Smith. I'm going to get drunk. I'm
gonna celebrate the Seahawks winning. He's can celebrating the Knicks
winning the e Cup and eliminating the Pacers from the
playoffs like they did tonight thanks to Jalen Brunson's three
and Ogannanoby Steele. Yeah, it's party time here, and see
how many smearing off ice. Oh last night, dude, I
was one and a half. I've still been drinking since
that's over. You kidding me too?
Speaker 2 (18:52):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (18:52):
Yeah, I haven't. I haven't slept in two days, good man. Yeah,
I feel like Giovanni Ribisi and friends. I haven't slept
in four months. Phoebe, take one of the chase and
you get wasted on o'dueles. You know, there's still beer
and o'dules. It's really wasted. It's a very tiny amount,
but it looks like you know, it's like course, there's
a very tiny amount in it.
Speaker 5 (19:11):
It's like the beer you buy in Florida. A percentage
on this. But there is controversy over the two point conversion.
And again this you may never see something like this again.
You're gonna see big changes in the NFL, and they'll
tell you what they're gonna be. But the Seahawks were
down two touchdowns in the fourth quarter. Right, this is
(19:32):
one of those games where you see, oh, you know,
the Mets of uh they're oh in uh oh in
their last one hundred and seventy five games, trailing after
eight innings. Right, the Seahawks are what like, oh in
one seventy two in their history, trailing by two touchdowns
in the fourth quarter. Yeah, fifteen plus they had never
won a game, never won a game, never obviously, now
you put one on that board kind of like the
(19:52):
nick No one's ever blown a seven point lead in
the final minute of overtime like the Knicks did against
the Pacers.
Speaker 3 (19:57):
But let's keep it on the focus here.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
The Seahawks get the touchdown, they get the return for
the score by Rashid Shaheed, they get the touchdown pass
to aj Barner, and they go for two to try
to tie the game at thirty. And here's the play
by player the two point conversion that wasn't a two
point conversion and then it.
Speaker 9 (20:18):
Was Arnold will go under center, JSM far side, throw
inside and the ball is battered down. And if this
ball is thrown backwards, and it kind of looks like
it is and it bounced off the defender rolled into
the end zone. Charbonay had one foot in the end
zone when he picked it up and that's all he needed.
Speaker 10 (20:36):
And so reviewing the play, the Quarterbay threw a backward pass.
Speaker 3 (20:40):
Which goes they covered any end zone by the offen.
It is the fastball conversion.
Speaker 9 (20:46):
I'm telling you what, Sometimes it just.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
Pays to live a good life.
Speaker 9 (20:50):
And so now guess what wells we are tied at
thirty a piece.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
Seahawks Radio Network on the call watching this play, it
really reminded me a lot of the Music City Miracle
because you see that there's so many different camera angles that.
Speaker 3 (21:06):
We used to see. If it was in fact a
backward pass, was it?
Speaker 9 (21:09):
Now?
Speaker 1 (21:09):
What happened was it's a quick hit play right and
Zach Sharbonay is lined up, you know, it's a bunch
formation to the left and Darnold takes one step and
tries to throw at Charbonay. In theory, is gonna grab it,
weave his way between defenders and get the two yards. However,
Rams defensive tackle jumps the play, gets a hand up
and deflects the pass. The ball bounces to the to
(21:30):
the ground and Kurl is there at the goal line.
He dives for it to intercept it, but he doesn't
get it. The ball hits the ground. Right, play is over.
Everybody's walking off, and Zach Charbonay just kind of casually
walks over, doesn't go over like the play is still live,
just casually walks over, stands in the end zone and
picks up the football right like.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
Maybe one of those ab I'm gonna pick it up.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
Probably nothing's gonna happen. So the play ends and no
two point conversion. Right, Rams still have the lead, except
they go back and look at it as you're play
by play, and after a long review, and there were
some angles where you could see that yeah, it was
a backwards pass. And you know from one angle where
(22:11):
it's on the field at the line of scrimmage, it
looks like it's right on the line.
Speaker 3 (22:18):
Okay, so it's a forward pass.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
Then they give you the overhead angle, and that really
looks like it's a backward pass because Darnold's arm is
about at the nine yard line and when he throws
it back you can see that where it gets deflected
is about the nine and a half yard line, almost
at the ten. So yeah, in that case, said it's
a backwards pass. The live ball, the ball bounces around
and Zack Charboney picks it up. Now I'm gonna say
this first of all, am I a big fan that
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they did that. No, because that's not the spirit of
the play. That's not the spirit of play to say, well,
after the play is over and the referees may or
may not have blown the whistle for Zach Charbonay to
kind of just walk over and pick up the football
in a dead ball situation to give them a two
point conversion. Yeah, I'm not the biggest fan of that. However,
if it's a live ball, it's a live ball. And
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what I've said, I got to be consistent what I've
said in the past. I was always a big fan
of I've said this for years for officials, don't blow
the whistle when a quarterback is going to throw the
football and it gets knocked out of his hand it
goes forward, don't blow the whistle on an incomplete pass
because you don't know. You don't know if his arm
was coming forward. You don't know if it got knocked
out before his arm was going forward. Now, before we
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had replay, officials would say, well, if the ball went forward,
we know his arm must have been coming forward, so
we call it in complete. Now they don't do that anymore.
Now they can go back and look and they don't
blow the play dead because if the ball goes forward
someone falls on it, then we can adjudicate it after, right,
you can. You always have time with replay to look
at it after. So I was always a big proponent
that when that happens for the NFL, for quarterbacks, don't
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blow the whistle, right, don't do it. Same thing for
plays like this, every play when a ball is thrown
at the line of scrimmage, you can't blow the whistle on.
You have to go all the way until the play
is over, and that's either the offensive team falls on
the football the ball skiter's out of bounds, or the
defensive team falls on the ball or has it, or
they run it back for a touchdown. Then you can
always go back and look at it. Then you can
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go back and look and say, okay, where is this,
what's the call? We can call it what you want
on the field, but don't blow the play dead. So,
if you're so, the changes that need to happen in
the NFL really because this is this is this has
happened a few times now this year because there's a
lot more plays at the line of scrimmage with quarterbacks
making these quick throws. If you are the NFL needs
to say, don't blow the whistle right because now we
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don't know if the whistle was really blown out. There
some controversy about that. Again, I'm not a big fan
of it because it's not the spirit of the rule.
But for NFL players, anytime that ball is thrown there,
you treat that thing like a live ball and you
make a play on it, and you and and they'll
figure it out after it's over. Worst comes to worse.
You jumped on the football. You didn't get it, Okay,
(24:47):
that's fine, because the last thing you want is I
don't want to play like that to be a touchdown
where just because Zach Charbonay picks up the ball in
the end zone, if a RAMS player picked up the
ball and just walk the other way way, right, that's
not how the rules to go. But in the end,
I go back to the fact that it was a
backwards pass. So I'm okay with them getting the two
point conversion, but the way it went out that that's
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not how the NFL wants it.
Speaker 3 (25:10):
No, I did pretty ugly.
Speaker 5 (25:12):
You know, there's a lot going on in the Twitter
verse and the Internet overall of arguing, well you can
hear a whistle, can you really? I mean, the crowd's
loud and rocks and trying to play the old play
through the reverberation of the whistle. Now, occasually it's gonna
get a little ugly and there's gonna be too much
contact and eventually flags come out front sports alike conduct.
(25:34):
But in this particular case, right, it's the old Hey,
you have a clear and undisputed recovery of the football.
Well we got that check. There's Charbonay just walking by
and picking it up like he's on a you know,
going and picking up Easter eggs. But you know, for
the officials, it it certainly is a curiosity for the
NFL that they have to address. I mean, this was
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the battle for the number one seed in your conference.
And while there are plenty of opportunity to make a
play and finish the job otherwise, it looms large because
it is such an outlier and a chaos situation advancing
what's essentially a fumble for the two point conversion. And
then we did we just have this whole Woody Marks
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thing a week ago?
Speaker 3 (26:18):
Oh yeah, how do we roll this?
Speaker 2 (26:20):
What do we got?
Speaker 3 (26:20):
While he scored? And you move on, But it's for
for the NFL.
Speaker 5 (26:25):
Just when you think you've seen everything, lifers in football
like McVeigh are like, yeah, I don't know, I've never
seen this.
Speaker 3 (26:33):
Yeah, I mean, I'd like an explanation.
Speaker 1 (26:35):
I mean, it's it's the right call was made, but
still the way it went it was it was just
something wrong about it. It just it just didn't strike
me as being right. This is not how a game,
any game, should be decided with a play or again,
when you're basically picking up a dead ball, because that's
what Charba Day did. I'm picking up it because nobody,
everybody else on the field is treating it as a
dead ball. The officials are treating it like it's a
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dead ball.
Speaker 5 (26:58):
So when that's it's supposed to go running to it, right,
I mean, like that's the only way that they clear
that up and make it an end point is the
official sprints to the ball like he's a ball boy
or a woman at Wimbledon, I got mine, but you
didn't have that, Sharbona and said, I mean, happily, that's
(27:19):
not how the game ended.
Speaker 3 (27:21):
Yeah, think about that.
Speaker 5 (27:22):
They overturn it and they have to make that call, which, again,
if depending on which angle you're looking at, you can
say it's clearly backwards by a half to a full
yard from where he's standing in the intended receiver as
the ball gets batted before it trickles forward. And then
the others like, well maybe maybe not. This is where
(27:42):
we start getting our laser proofing, Like we're we're building
a deck.
Speaker 3 (27:47):
Yeah, I mean, I.
Speaker 1 (27:50):
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(28:11):
for five years. You won't need to restain your deck
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Speaker 5 (28:16):
Get that five count all right. A couple quick notes
from the game as well. It was the first game
ever decided in overtime by a two point conversion. Raiders
had an opportunity against the Jaguars, it got swatted down.
The other is they were treated in this thirty eight
thirty seven thriller to a halftime performance by Living Color.
Speaker 3 (28:35):
Wow.
Speaker 5 (28:36):
Not not not the TV show This is enough. They
did some sketch comedy that would have been pretty good.
Speaker 3 (28:41):
This is Corey Glover and Vernon reed.
Speaker 10 (28:43):
No.
Speaker 5 (28:43):
If they did a sketch comedy and came running out
like with a referee bit, that would have been pretty fun.
Speaker 1 (28:48):
Did they do culti person guess they did Cultive personality
and glamour Boys.
Speaker 5 (28:52):
Oh, I'm sure glam i don't add that. I just
I just had the words from their official Twitter account.
It was a halftime laser show featuring Living Color.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
Glamour Boys got it all figured out? Yeah, I know
Glamor Boy, Uh quick, fierce. Corey Glover was he was
in platoon, right, he was in platoon?
Speaker 7 (29:13):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (29:14):
Okay, yeah, yeah he did, I remember.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
And then Vernon Reid they did they did Culture Personality
while they were in the while they yeah, next to
Charlie Sheen.
Speaker 3 (29:21):
Yay.
Speaker 5 (29:22):
You want to go down a rabbit hole, just go
look for random live performances where Vernon Reed joins other guitarists.
It's like Prince and that while my guitar gently weeps.
It goes into a whole other sphere where you're mesmerized
and a rabbit hole that you can stay in for
a while.
Speaker 3 (29:38):
And TJ I want to say this, look in my eyes.
What do you see? He it's what's trending with modsy
like Mussolini. Yeah too far? Yeah yeah yeah. Do you
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know Living Color?
Speaker 6 (30:00):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (30:00):
I do know Living Cover. Yeah, okay, I vaguely remember it.
My brothers watched it. No, no, no, the band.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
Oh I thought you were talking about the TV show.
Speaker 3 (30:08):
Isn't there a TV show.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
Color?
Speaker 11 (30:11):
Never mind?
Speaker 3 (30:11):
Kill this is just hanging out in your house?
Speaker 11 (30:15):
Never mind, that's not anyway.
Speaker 3 (30:22):
No, no, say there's a band. I'll look into it. Okay, No,
I know that. I really don't know, bus not Muscat
muzz Yes, I heard Living Color TV show.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
So there we are. Are you living?
Speaker 11 (30:40):
Yeah? Guys, you guys just talked about this A crazy
game that happened in Seattle between the Seahawks and the Rams.
Seattle now twelve and three, LA falls to eleven and four.
The Seahawks not only have the lead in the NFC West,
they're just the top seed right now in the NFC.
Speaker 3 (30:54):
They've clinched a playoff spot. It was a crazy game.
Speaker 11 (30:57):
Matthew Stafford threw for four hundred and fift twenty seven yards,
which was the third most of his career. The Rams
offense totaled five hundred and eighty one yards without a turnover.
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Speaker 3 (00:36):
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Speaker 1 (00:44):
Congratulations with the Seahawks. Yeah, number one seed in the NFC,
tremendous achievement.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
We talked about Sam Drono Blast hour, blah blah blah,
Najo to the controvert. Apologize great, Greg, Greg apologize. We
don't have time for that radio. There's no time for that.
Run No I di I okay, Sam Darnold, I'm sorry.
The Jets ruined you.
Speaker 4 (01:05):
Stop. That's at you defamated him? Okay, I what you
know what you did? I don't think you know what
you just said, really defamated and defecated way.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
So pooka nakua proving that you know, Hey, you don't
really hit rock bottom. You can continue to dig uh
recap this for you here before we get to Sean McVay,
because wow, uh the backdrop of tonight's game with the
Rams and the Seahawks Pookinakua yesterday doing a live stream
(01:47):
insulting the officials in the NFL saying that hey, they
just want to get screen time and he's not a
big fan, thinks officials are the absolute worst.
Speaker 5 (01:56):
Now, the to take it further one step back was
the fact that they were trying to do the live
stream at the facility. Yeah, so the Rams and Sean
McVay were already involved of yeah, that's not gonna happen. Yeah,
so that sets the table for the later Eh. The
officials they want their their billboards. So this is Puoka
(02:18):
because you need to hear the audio from yesterday. This
is Pooka uh not being fans of any referees in
the National Football League because there's just something the rules.
Speaker 6 (02:27):
Aren't then, like these guys want to be These guys
are lawyers and like real they want to be on
TV too.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
Brother, Like off the game, you don't think he's he's
texting his friends in.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
The group chat, like Yo, you guys just saw me
Sunday Night football like that.
Speaker 7 (02:41):
That wasn't p I like, but I called it. I
was serious, did you do that?
Speaker 3 (02:44):
I mean, these guys are noble human beings too.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
Okay, so they're the worst. They're they're normal human beings,
but they're the worst.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
Wow.
Speaker 5 (02:52):
Okay, it's like I have proof that they do this,
not just I'm throwing up a theory against the wall.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
This is like, you know, you know what It's like.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
It's almost, you know, we talk about the the the
evolution of plug people from Hey, they're just a good
superstar everybody loves, and then they start getting jaded and learn.
It's almost like a little bit like Steam and Willy
Beaman from any given Sunday right Jamie Fox shows. I
already likes him. He was throwing up on the sideline.
Then all of a sudden things get really weird. He
starts doing videos and stuff, and I mean, this.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
Is pookin cool.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
It's like, yeah, that whole yeah, that whole mediing, clean
cut superstar that was all last year.
Speaker 8 (03:28):
Man.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
Now I'll get down and dirty and I'll insult the referee.
Speaker 5 (03:30):
So is this his version of like mc hammers pumps
in a bump, which is what Willy Beaman did during
during I mean.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
Come on steaming, Willy Bean.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
And so Pooka says that yesterday apologizes for something else.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
He said in the live stream something you don't know
how to do that.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
Yeah, a dance that was that that's viewed as anti semitic.
He apologized for us and he didn't know what it was.
But we need to stick to the official part of
this because that's what plays into tonight and and what
we are going to play from Sean McVay. So, tonight's
game for the Rams, they had what nine penalties called
against them, nine penalties. A couple of them were pretty bad.
(04:11):
The first touchdown that got taken off the board and
they kicked the field goal was because a lineman was
ineligibly downfield and the play was at the Seahawks one
yard line.
Speaker 3 (04:19):
Yeah, suspect guy.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
And you know, and the thing is it was a
new guard, right, their starting guard had gotten hurt. This
is a new player coming in and he just bulldozed
the defensive tackle and the DT kind of pulls him
down and because he buldos him into the end zone,
they called an eligible man down.
Speaker 5 (04:33):
Yeah, I mean, what do you got a three yard window?
So you're being technically beyond that. So it was an
eight to five, but eight penalty different. Well, just so
we know, fifty four yards against forty created so a
couple of big penalties. You had the big penalty on
the kickoff to start overtime where they were going to
start at the fifty, but a holding penalty on the
Rams they started back at the twenty. Didn't matter because
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the Rams went and scored a touch on the drive,
so it didn't matter. But there were a bunch of
penalties every time you see them.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
Of course, going off of what Puka said a day ago,
it becomes a story. You would think, Okay, Sean McVay,
I'm gonna put a lid on this and no more
live streams, and Puka kind of gets that he shouldn't
be saying stuff like that not ninety seconds after the
game was over, and I'm not being you know, playing
with time here ninety seconds, which means he must have
(05:21):
ran to the locker room as fast as he ran
to the end zone on his last touchdown to get
to his phone to tweet out can you say I
was wrong? Appreciate you Stripes for your contribution.
Speaker 3 (05:33):
Lol.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
This is Puka about ninety seconds after the game. The
game ended, East.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
Coast time eight fifty three itch.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
Because I remember talking about it, you know, the minute
before we finished the segment and had to.
Speaker 3 (05:46):
Go to break.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
It was like an eight fifty three thirty, So we
had like a minute to talk about the winning two
point conversion. And we have a pretty good time on
our clock here because it's pretty legit time. This is
not where we're five minutes off. On Twitter, that tweet
was timestamped eleven fifty five, So ninety seconds after the
(06:07):
game is over, we got that tweet from Pooka Nakua.
Can you say I was wrong? Appreciate you stripes for
your contribution.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
Lol.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
Now Pooka deleted it, but it doesn't matter because it
was screen grabbed and a lot of people have it.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
I mean, it's out there. He did this.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
Uh, you can delete it if you want to. However,
you know, when you know you tweet something, people are
gonna get it.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
Yeahs forever. Brad Paisley had a whole song about the
Internet is forever. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (06:31):
They're talking about taking your your selfies and all sorts
of other things that you would post no matter what
you think, it's out there in bits and fragments and
whatever forever. Now it's a question of all right, Pooka
himself or did he order the code red that Watch
how this game unfolds and then he just signals to
someone in the.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
Crowd and he just hit send.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
He had to get that tweet send it ready, he
just pressed that by telling you man Herm Edwards that
button that phone with the don't press send button like that.
I mean, really, he'd be an absolute. He'd be able
to buy the NFL with the money he would have.
People would buy that, teams would buy phones. Hey, I'm
buying fifty three phones from my guys every year that
don't press send button.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
I mean, rob, did you guys.
Speaker 5 (07:11):
Do with all the fines from people you know sending tweets?
Speaker 1 (07:15):
And well we bought a small island, so whoka tweets
that out? It gets deleted? Okay, Well, it's gonna take
a little while for this to get brought up, like
maybe we'll deal with it tomorrow. No, no, no, reporters
had it right away. And here is Rams head coach
Sean McVay being caught off guard with that information in
(07:36):
his postgame press conference, Let's hear from Sean McVay.
Speaker 7 (07:40):
David mcaveil. Shot there the revs.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
I mean, what are you?
Speaker 7 (07:43):
What are you talking about? You just put something on Twitter?
Accord points, Yeah, you know, so what are you asking
me right now? Do you are you? I can't answerr
questions about something that I'm not aware of.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
Okay, but are you okay with players kind of expressing
frustration or things like that or is.
Speaker 7 (07:57):
That something that you hope that they kind of keep themselves.
Speaker 6 (08:00):
I got to have more information before I answer any
of those kind of questions.
Speaker 7 (08:03):
What a conversations have you had with about his live
stream this week? Yeah, he was very apologetic.
Speaker 6 (08:08):
I don't think he understood the totality of some of
the things.
Speaker 7 (08:11):
I think he issued that apology.
Speaker 6 (08:12):
I know this guy's heart man for anybody that was offended,
terribly sorry about that. I know he feels that same
exact way as a young guy. That's a great kid
that's continuing to learn about, you know, just the platform
that he has.
Speaker 3 (08:25):
I love him.
Speaker 6 (08:25):
We're going to continue to put an arm around him
and help him learn and grow. But we never want
to do things that ever offend anybody, and I know
he feels that same way.
Speaker 7 (08:33):
How about to.
Speaker 6 (08:33):
Give them those guys coming onto your property at the
facility in a short week as you're preparing for the
biggest Yeah, I.
Speaker 7 (08:42):
Don't know anything about that stuff.
Speaker 6 (08:44):
They came home and property outside part.
Speaker 7 (08:48):
He said on the Life stew as you were mad,
I was. I don't think that he did he say
my name? He said boss is awesome. I assume with
those he was amazing. Any distraction this week, No, it
wasn't a distraction at all.
Speaker 6 (09:03):
Did he did you think his play showed that he
was distracted? I didn't think so either. He went off
today he didn't, you know what? And I apologize for
you know what. I love this team, and man, when
you put out as much as our group does and
you care so much about something and you come off short,
it's incredibly disappointing.
Speaker 7 (09:23):
But as it relates to just.
Speaker 6 (09:24):
The things that that you're asking, you know, we always
want to make sure that we handle ourselves with class,
learn from it, or put my arm around him and
continue to educate our guys.
Speaker 7 (09:32):
I love this team, I love his heart.
Speaker 6 (09:35):
I think he's going to continue to grow and mature,
and I'm going to be there right there with him
to continue to.
Speaker 7 (09:40):
Help do that.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
You know, Okay, guys, you're good, You're good, You're good,
and you know. He walked away, and he walked up
to Pooka and he did the whole dumbledore to Harry,
did you put your name with the gobblet of fire?
Speaker 3 (09:51):
He went up and said, did you really tweet out
something about the officier run after the game? Tell me, Harry,
did you do that? Did you put your name? Did
you put your name on that tweet? Harry? Did you
do that? Harry?
Speaker 1 (09:59):
Did you did you do that?
Speaker 3 (10:01):
You know how mad?
Speaker 5 (10:02):
He wait?
Speaker 1 (10:02):
Puka said what I'm not gonna talk about it, but
you know, in Sean mcvay's brain, he is just seething
about it. And I give these reporters a ton of credit.
These are tough questions to ask Sean McVay after a game,
and generally I could see where they wouldn't be a
part of it if he didn't tweet what he did
after the game, Like if this was just hey, Pooka
(10:23):
said what he said in the live stream, They addressed it.
He apologized after the game. It's like, guys, come on.
We just played a game. He had two hundred twenty
five yards. He was awesome, we're over, we move past that.
I understand that. Maybe then okay, the reporters, maybe that's
not the time or place, but Pooka tweeting this opened
up that avenue for it, and I give these you know,
we talk about reporters asking bad questions all the time
(10:44):
and being afraid or not asking things the right way,
and that happens a lot. But these guys stayed on
it because that's the story. It's a big deal, and
I respect the hell of that out of them for
asking Sean McVay those questions, even though it was a
tough time to do it, right after the Rams gave
a game away. They probably should have one, and Sean
McVay has probably pissed his hell that they gave this
game away. But for the reporters to add to ask,
(11:04):
to continue to not just say one question, we're moving on,
and then somebody to jump in and go, uh so, hey, tonight,
what about Matthew and the game he played four and
fifty yards passing? Can you talk about that? Like to
stay on that like that's a that's a real that's
that's that's reporting one oh one on how to stay
with the story and ask the questions respectfully, not ask
the same thing over and over again, and go until okay,
(11:27):
we've exhausted this line of questioning and not just well,
one question and the guy's gonna say what he says.
Speaker 3 (11:31):
We're moving on. It's pretty good job. No, But that's it, right,
because it's a two parter.
Speaker 5 (11:35):
Like if he doesn't if he isn't aware of the
tweet from tonight, well, that's that's germane to the story, right,
because that means it's not over, it's not done, and
it's and it's not in your past.
Speaker 3 (11:45):
Yeah, you'll continue to love and hug and look, I
love Sean McVay.
Speaker 7 (11:49):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (11:50):
You know, I remember us being on air locally in
LA when all that hiring went on and kind of going, well,
I don't know, we'll see what happens. And he's been brilliant,
there's no question about it. And and I love the
energy and orosity that he handles these things. But when
we talk about the reporter side of it, yeah, it
would have been very easy to stop because you know
McVeigh took it in the direction of hey, he apologized
(12:12):
and he'll learn from that talking about the the dance,
the anti Semitic part of it, right, apologize for that.
Speaker 3 (12:20):
The official thing still still was hanging in the balance
a little bit.
Speaker 5 (12:24):
There's not really a formal apology as far as as
far as I'm aware comes down.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
I understand if you're Sean McVay about this is brand
new stuff. Maybe he doesn't know about it, because I'll
give benefit of out that maybe he didn't know that
Pooka tweeted that out by the time, because it's not
like someone's said, oh, hey, by the way, coach, you're
gonna get this question about Pooka after but not knowing
anything about it, not being able to talk to Puka
Nakula about it. I completely get where he's like, guys,
(12:52):
I'm not ready to talk about this right now. You
want me to say something, I'm not going to talk
about it now. So they pivoted to the questions about
the life, which is what you're supposed to do. That's
how you do it, and that's how he was such
a great Uh. That's like, you know, I would I
would play that line of questioning in a in a
class for kids through journalism. This is how you do
it right. You ask the questions about it when you
(13:12):
know you're not gonna get me more from a from
a from a person. Hey, you pivot and say okay,
but we're still it's still a big story, and you
ask the different questions like they did the right thing
about it. Because I get Sean mcvaigh say, hey, listen,
he'll have to address it at some point, and he will.
He's not gonna say I'm not talking about it.
Speaker 6 (13:28):
He will.
Speaker 3 (13:29):
He will.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
He will talk about it after he talks to Pooka
maybe tomorrow. But so I get that from his perspective.
But man, just again, mad props to reporters. I mean
that in classes tomorrow. Journalism classes should put that out there.
Rob Parker's journalism class. This is how you ask questions
after a game, Ask the tough questions after a game
where where a team walks and you know, the the energy,
(13:50):
the negative energy in the room is so palpable, but
still to do that outstanding.
Speaker 5 (13:54):
And then he can follow your lead on how to
write an apology to Sam Darnold, but any.
Speaker 3 (14:00):
And all of that glorgize to Sam Darnold.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
Sam, Sam, I'm sorry you were a jet because that
really set you on the wrong way.
Speaker 3 (14:08):
Say it like you mean it. I did. I'm sorry
he was a jet. It ruined his career. I said,
say it like you years Sam, I'm sorry you were
a jet. How like that? Is that good? Can I
have another?
Speaker 9 (14:18):
Go?
Speaker 3 (14:19):
Is that good? Kelly? I get another one?
Speaker 1 (14:27):
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Speaker 1 (15:34):
This is not gonna be the heartwarming Christmas song you
think it's gonna be.
Speaker 3 (15:38):
Yeah, probably not. Hey, Merry Christmas, everybody. Let's go before
(16:11):
you canceled, Jason, until you apologize, before you see the light.
You must die, Jason. We can't go on with Christmas
till you apologize. I I did my Sam darnold apology.
I did it.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
I cost everybody Christmas. I'm sorry he was a Jet.
I'm sorry that he's stunk as a jet, making this
a joke. I've said, Look, I said wonderful things about him.
Tonight is why you never ditch a quarterback. Take it
at the top of the NFL draft. There's a system
for everybody. He is the shiny example. There is a
system for everybody. But half the teams he's been on
(16:45):
it's not been the right system. Half the team has
been on it's been the right system right. It was
great with Minnesota, it's great with Seattle. It's stunk with
the Jets, it's stunk with the Panthers. He is a
He is the definition of a system quarterback.
Speaker 3 (16:59):
Christmas is canceled. Chris, tell your fault.
Speaker 5 (17:01):
You're getting cold, like Mel Gibson was giving everybody in
that movie. He was Santa Claus and Walton Goggins came after.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
Uh huh.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
So we had the Puka nakua controversy that we've talked
about the last half hour.
Speaker 3 (17:15):
It's insane.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
Now a couple of two point conversions want to play
for you from tonight. First, we'll have fun with this
before you get into the controversy. This is the final
call of the two point conversion, Darnald throwing it in
overtime for the Seahawks to win it thirty eight to
thirty seven. It's so exciting that the Seahawks play by
playing guys just don't even know what kind of score
(17:38):
it is.
Speaker 3 (17:40):
Thanks for you motion back inside his barner. Darnald pastime
looks hits.
Speaker 9 (17:46):
On hits time, make it extra point, make a conversion,
I don't.
Speaker 3 (17:51):
Care what it is. Could say all to win the game.
Hockin hold the.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
Last playing the game, I had a touchdown and conversion.
Speaker 5 (17:59):
I get doesn't matter. The Seahawks won, That's all I
care about. How drunk do you think our guy's soft
team I don't care, man, I don't care.
Speaker 3 (18:10):
Whatever. Whoever, however, as long as they cross that line,
I don't care. Man, Steve Rible, I think was I
don't care.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
Touchdown, dude, that we won, okay, slamming the headphones down.
Speaker 3 (18:20):
We won the game. I don't give a crap. Doesn't matter.
I know that's two points and we won the game.
It's a long game.
Speaker 7 (18:27):
We won.
Speaker 3 (18:28):
I'm going on. That's all. I'm done. I'm done.
Speaker 1 (18:30):
I'm like Jason Smith. I'm going to get drunk. I'm
gonna celebrate the Seahawks winning. He's can celebrating the Knicks
winning the e Cup and eliminating the Pacers from the
playoffs like they did tonight thanks to Jalen Brunson's three
and Ogannanoby Steele. Yeah, it's party time here, and see
how many smearing off ice. Oh last night, dude, I
was one and a half. I've still been drinking since
that's over. You kidding me too?
Speaker 2 (18:52):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (18:52):
Yeah, I haven't. I haven't slept in two days, good man. Yeah,
I feel like Giovanni Ribisi and friends. I haven't slept
in four months. Phoebe, take one of the chase and
you get wasted on o'dueles. You know, there's still beer
and o'dules. It's really wasted. It's a very tiny amount,
but it looks like you know, it's like course, there's
a very tiny amount in it.
Speaker 5 (19:11):
It's like the beer you buy in Florida. A percentage
on this. But there is controversy over the two point conversion.
And again this you may never see something like this again.
You're gonna see big changes in the NFL, and they'll
tell you what they're gonna be. But the Seahawks were
down two touchdowns in the fourth quarter. Right, this is
(19:32):
one of those games where you see, oh, you know,
the Mets of uh they're oh in uh oh in
their last one hundred and seventy five games, trailing after
eight innings. Right, the Seahawks are what like, oh in
one seventy two in their history, trailing by two touchdowns
in the fourth quarter. Yeah, fifteen plus they had never
won a game, never won a game, never obviously, now
you put one on that board kind of like the
(19:52):
nick No one's ever blown a seven point lead in
the final minute of overtime like the Knicks did against
the Pacers.
Speaker 3 (19:57):
But let's keep it on the focus here.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
The Seahawks get the touchdown, they get the return for
the score by Rashid Shaheed, they get the touchdown pass
to aj Barner, and they go for two to try
to tie the game at thirty. And here's the play
by player the two point conversion that wasn't a two
point conversion and then it.
Speaker 9 (20:18):
Was Arnold will go under center, JSM far side, throw
inside and the ball is battered down. And if this
ball is thrown backwards, and it kind of looks like
it is and it bounced off the defender rolled into
the end zone. Charbonay had one foot in the end
zone when he picked it up and that's all he needed.
Speaker 10 (20:36):
And so reviewing the play, the Quarterbay threw a backward pass.
Speaker 3 (20:40):
Which goes they covered any end zone by the offen.
It is the fastball conversion.
Speaker 9 (20:46):
I'm telling you what, Sometimes it just.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
Pays to live a good life.
Speaker 9 (20:50):
And so now guess what wells we are tied at
thirty a piece.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
Seahawks Radio Network on the call watching this play, it
really reminded me a lot of the Music City Miracle
because you see that there's so many different camera angles that.
Speaker 3 (21:06):
We used to see. If it was in fact a
backward pass, was it?
Speaker 9 (21:09):
Now?
Speaker 1 (21:09):
What happened was it's a quick hit play right and
Zach Sharbonay is lined up, you know, it's a bunch
formation to the left and Darnold takes one step and
tries to throw at Charbonay. In theory, is gonna grab it,
weave his way between defenders and get the two yards. However,
Rams defensive tackle jumps the play, gets a hand up
and deflects the pass. The ball bounces to the to
(21:30):
the ground and Kurl is there at the goal line.
He dives for it to intercept it, but he doesn't
get it. The ball hits the ground. Right, play is over.
Everybody's walking off, and Zach Charbonay just kind of casually
walks over, doesn't go over like the play is still live,
just casually walks over, stands in the end zone and
picks up the football right like.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
Maybe one of those ab I'm gonna pick it up.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
Probably nothing's gonna happen. So the play ends and no
two point conversion. Right, Rams still have the lead, except
they go back and look at it as you're play
by play, and after a long review, and there were
some angles where you could see that yeah, it was
a backwards pass. And you know from one angle where
(22:11):
it's on the field at the line of scrimmage, it
looks like it's right on the line.
Speaker 3 (22:18):
Okay, so it's a forward pass.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
Then they give you the overhead angle, and that really
looks like it's a backward pass because Darnold's arm is
about at the nine yard line and when he throws
it back you can see that where it gets deflected
is about the nine and a half yard line, almost
at the ten. So yeah, in that case, said it's
a backwards pass. The live ball, the ball bounces around
and Zack Charboney picks it up. Now I'm gonna say
this first of all, am I a big fan that
(22:42):
they did that. No, because that's not the spirit of
the play. That's not the spirit of play to say, well,
after the play is over and the referees may or
may not have blown the whistle for Zach Charbonay to
kind of just walk over and pick up the football
in a dead ball situation to give them a two
point conversion. Yeah, I'm not the biggest fan of that. However,
if it's a live ball, it's a live ball. And
(23:03):
what I've said, I got to be consistent what I've
said in the past. I was always a big fan
of I've said this for years for officials, don't blow
the whistle when a quarterback is going to throw the
football and it gets knocked out of his hand it
goes forward, don't blow the whistle on an incomplete pass
because you don't know. You don't know if his arm
was coming forward. You don't know if it got knocked
out before his arm was going forward. Now, before we
(23:23):
had replay, officials would say, well, if the ball went forward,
we know his arm must have been coming forward, so
we call it in complete. Now they don't do that anymore.
Now they can go back and look and they don't
blow the play dead because if the ball goes forward
someone falls on it, then we can adjudicate it after, right,
you can. You always have time with replay to look
at it after. So I was always a big proponent
that when that happens for the NFL, for quarterbacks, don't
(23:44):
blow the whistle, right, don't do it. Same thing for
plays like this, every play when a ball is thrown
at the line of scrimmage, you can't blow the whistle on.
You have to go all the way until the play
is over, and that's either the offensive team falls on
the football the ball skiter's out of bounds, or the
defensive team falls on the ball or has it, or
they run it back for a touchdown. Then you can
always go back and look at it. Then you can
(24:05):
go back and look and say, okay, where is this,
what's the call? We can call it what you want
on the field, but don't blow the play dead. So,
if you're so, the changes that need to happen in
the NFL really because this is this is this has
happened a few times now this year because there's a
lot more plays at the line of scrimmage with quarterbacks
making these quick throws. If you are the NFL needs
to say, don't blow the whistle right because now we
(24:27):
don't know if the whistle was really blown out. There
some controversy about that. Again, I'm not a big fan
of it because it's not the spirit of the rule.
But for NFL players, anytime that ball is thrown there,
you treat that thing like a live ball and you
make a play on it, and you and and they'll
figure it out after it's over. Worst comes to worse.
You jumped on the football. You didn't get it, Okay,
(24:47):
that's fine, because the last thing you want is I
don't want to play like that to be a touchdown
where just because Zach Charbonay picks up the ball in
the end zone, if a RAMS player picked up the
ball and just walk the other way way, right, that's
not how the rules to go. But in the end,
I go back to the fact that it was a
backwards pass. So I'm okay with them getting the two
point conversion, but the way it went out that that's
(25:09):
not how the NFL wants it.
Speaker 3 (25:10):
No, I did pretty ugly.
Speaker 5 (25:12):
You know, there's a lot going on in the Twitter
verse and the Internet overall of arguing, well you can
hear a whistle, can you really? I mean, the crowd's
loud and rocks and trying to play the old play
through the reverberation of the whistle. Now, occasually it's gonna
get a little ugly and there's gonna be too much
contact and eventually flags come out front sports alike conduct.
(25:34):
But in this particular case, right, it's the old Hey,
you have a clear and undisputed recovery of the football.
Well we got that check. There's Charbonay just walking by
and picking it up like he's on a you know,
going and picking up Easter eggs. But you know, for
the officials, it it certainly is a curiosity for the
NFL that they have to address. I mean, this was
(25:55):
the battle for the number one seed in your conference.
And while there are plenty of opportunity to make a
play and finish the job otherwise, it looms large because
it is such an outlier and a chaos situation advancing
what's essentially a fumble for the two point conversion. And
then we did we just have this whole Woody Marks
(26:17):
thing a week ago?
Speaker 3 (26:18):
Oh yeah, how do we roll this?
Speaker 2 (26:20):
What do we got?
Speaker 3 (26:20):
While he scored? And you move on, But it's for
for the NFL.
Speaker 5 (26:25):
Just when you think you've seen everything, lifers in football
like McVeigh are like, yeah, I don't know, I've never
seen this.
Speaker 3 (26:33):
Yeah, I mean, I'd like an explanation.
Speaker 1 (26:35):
I mean, it's it's the right call was made, but
still the way it went it was it was just
something wrong about it. It just it just didn't strike
me as being right. This is not how a game,
any game, should be decided with a play or again,
when you're basically picking up a dead ball, because that's
what Charba Day did. I'm picking up it because nobody,
everybody else on the field is treating it as a
dead ball. The officials are treating it like it's a
(26:57):
dead ball.
Speaker 5 (26:58):
So when that's it's supposed to go running to it, right,
I mean, like that's the only way that they clear
that up and make it an end point is the
official sprints to the ball like he's a ball boy
or a woman at Wimbledon, I got mine, but you
didn't have that, Sharbona and said, I mean, happily, that's
(27:19):
not how the game ended.
Speaker 3 (27:21):
Yeah, think about that.
Speaker 5 (27:22):
They overturn it and they have to make that call, which, again,
if depending on which angle you're looking at, you can
say it's clearly backwards by a half to a full
yard from where he's standing in the intended receiver as
the ball gets batted before it trickles forward. And then
the others like, well maybe maybe not. This is where
(27:42):
we start getting our laser proofing, Like we're we're building
a deck.
Speaker 3 (27:47):
Yeah, I mean, I.
Speaker 1 (27:50):
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one shot and not have to worry about going up
three or four times. We'll use this super deck stain
right there, I got it right. Now, watch this. You
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(28:11):
for five years. You won't need to restain your deck
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Speaker 5 (28:16):
Get that five count all right. A couple quick notes
from the game as well. It was the first game
ever decided in overtime by a two point conversion. Raiders
had an opportunity against the Jaguars, it got swatted down.
The other is they were treated in this thirty eight
thirty seven thriller to a halftime performance by Living Color.
Speaker 3 (28:35):
Wow.
Speaker 5 (28:36):
Not not not the TV show This is enough. They
did some sketch comedy that would have been pretty good.
Speaker 3 (28:41):
This is Corey Glover and Vernon reed.
Speaker 10 (28:43):
No.
Speaker 5 (28:43):
If they did a sketch comedy and came running out
like with a referee bit, that would have been pretty fun.
Speaker 1 (28:48):
Did they do culti person guess they did Cultive personality
and glamour Boys.
Speaker 5 (28:52):
Oh, I'm sure glam i don't add that. I just
I just had the words from their official Twitter account.
It was a halftime laser show featuring Living Color.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
Glamour Boys got it all figured out? Yeah, I know
Glamor Boy, Uh quick, fierce. Corey Glover was he was
in platoon, right, he was in platoon?
Speaker 7 (29:13):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (29:14):
Okay, yeah, yeah he did, I remember.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
And then Vernon Reid they did they did Culture Personality
while they were in the while they yeah, next to
Charlie Sheen.
Speaker 3 (29:21):
Yay.
Speaker 5 (29:22):
You want to go down a rabbit hole, just go
look for random live performances where Vernon Reed joins other guitarists.
It's like Prince and that while my guitar gently weeps.
It goes into a whole other sphere where you're mesmerized
and a rabbit hole that you can stay in for
a while.
Speaker 3 (29:38):
And TJ I want to say this, look in my eyes.
What do you see? He it's what's trending with modsy
like Mussolini. Yeah too far? Yeah yeah yeah. Do you
(29:59):
know Living Color?
Speaker 6 (30:00):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (30:00):
I do know Living Cover. Yeah, okay, I vaguely remember it.
My brothers watched it. No, no, no, the band.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
Oh I thought you were talking about the TV show.
Speaker 3 (30:08):
Isn't there a TV show.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
Color?
Speaker 11 (30:11):
Never mind?
Speaker 3 (30:11):
Kill this is just hanging out in your house?
Speaker 11 (30:15):
Never mind, that's not anyway.
Speaker 3 (30:22):
No, no, say there's a band. I'll look into it. Okay, No,
I know that. I really don't know, bus not Muscat
muzz Yes, I heard Living Color TV show.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
So there we are. Are you living?
Speaker 11 (30:40):
Yeah? Guys, you guys just talked about this A crazy
game that happened in Seattle between the Seahawks and the Rams.
Seattle now twelve and three, LA falls to eleven and four.
The Seahawks not only have the lead in the NFC West,
they're just the top seed right now in the NFC.
Speaker 3 (30:54):
They've clinched a playoff spot. It was a crazy game.
Speaker 11 (30:57):
Matthew Stafford threw for four hundred and fift twenty seven yards,
which was the third most of his career. The Rams
offense totaled five hundred and eighty one yards without a turnover.
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