October 26, 2021 • 38 mins
Jason Smith and Mike Harmon reflect on the most famous play in baseball history, 35 years later. Russell Wilson now holds all of the power in Seattle, and Pete Carroll should be very concerned. Sam Darnold is floundering in Carolina.
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Show with my best friend Mike Harmon. How buddy, I
got a big quarterback story coming your way in a
couple of minutes, because you know, I hate to say
I told you so, but it's Monday, and you know
kind of did. But uh, you know, today is a
big anniversary in sports, the one of the the biggest,
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the anniversary of the biggest play, the most popular play
in the history of Major League Baseball. We're gonna get
that sound ready, Ryan Burr Singer. It was thirty five
years ago today, October was a Saturday night. Young high
school student named Jason Smith was in his basement. It's
feeling really bereft of emotion as it looked like Mets
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weren't gonna win the World Series. They're gonna lose. The
bleeping Red Sox. You know, a hundred and forty wins
during the year, the eight six Mets, the best team
I'd ever had. This is it. I was gonna ascend
to a glorious destiny, and I was gonna lose because
We're going to the bottom of the last inning down
two runs. It was it. It was over. And then
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this happened three and two to Lukie Wilson. Little roller
up along first, behind the back, It gets through up
there come to night and the Mets win it. If
one picture it's worth a thousand words, you have seen
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about a million words. But more than that, you have
seen an absolutely bizarre finished to Game six World Vin
Scully on the call. Isn't that bread? You're right? Is
that bread? If a picture's worth a thousand words, then
why can't I paint you right? That's bread? Right? No idea? Really,
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I'm usually pretty good. You may have stuff you on
a rock and roll past. Now, wow, okay, I'm pretty
sure that's I got to look that up. Now, I
think it's bread. Uh it is a song by Bread. Wait,
Steve to Sager, Wait, we have the breaking news again.
We play the breaking news sounder. We have absolutely David Gates.
You bet it is news from Fox Sports. Alright, Steve
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the singer? Is that a song by Bread? Yeah? I
can do better on that than the isn't a Magic
Johnson tweet? Okay, alright, now that we've we've paused this
and you've heard the record scratch Um literally from nineteen
seventy one, uh, the album mana Brett Steve a lot
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of Bread listening up in your in your track? Actually
what we got here? One of our car pool drivers
going to school in uh or the early eighties still
had a Best of Bread. Uh. It wasn't even a
CD back then, tape that would get played in the
probably what do you call it? A uh eight track? Yeah,
I have I have expected that sentence to end with
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David Gates was driving the Bread truck and then taking
kids to snow and it was we had Best of Bread, Uh,
the Saturday Night Fever soundtrack and Rumors by Fleetwood Mac.
There was all the seventies collection that was still in
this person's car a decade later. And so yes, I
know all three of those albums very well. So wait, wait,
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you can get all of those great songs. In the
seventies in one place. How could I do that? Where's
that car? But wait, there's more. If you fill in
the golden box, now you'll get your first five albums
for one penny. And you gotta take that penny in
the little box. Oh yeah, yeah, I gotta get I'm
gonna get all these the Columbia Record Club. Wow, so
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that caught you get all the BMG whatever you needed.
You can never get out of that club. Are a cult.
I was happy about that fastball do Steve to say,
all these albums we had in this car, all those
great songs, and one plate he didn't mention Bobrey or
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Baby I'm Gonna want you. I mean just go down you.
Oh yeah, that was a big one. Baby I'm Gonna
want you. Yeah, that was okay, alright wait wait, wait
we're either of those guys ever future in air supply
after that? No, no air supply Australia. Bread I think
is Oregon? Okay, California and Oregon diving deep here? All right? Right? Yeah,
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that is a deep dive on bread. There we go.
That's a lot more than we ever spent about Diary.
Don't you remember Diary? That was a great song dire Okay, okay,
all by David Gates for these all David Gates songs, Yes, okay, alright,
very good. Okay, I'm not I'm not going to do
a deep dive into the biography of David Gates over
the next couple of days. So excuse me, Baby, I'm
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a want you again. No, I get that, Steve. Thanks, yeah,
And unlike the odd couple, you're actually hitting most of
the notes on the Oh, thanks so much. But he's
eighty years old. Oklahoma, that's it. We gotta find him now.
Baby I'm a one. You think he's still touring? You
think Bread is still touring? I don't know, but I
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would ask to say, I'm going to see Yeah, I'm
going next week. You actually there have been supply chain problems.
So as you can understand, how did I not know?
Inglebert Humperdink recorded a version of Baby I'm a One,
but then company, company, Company, Company, company, command company. Sorry,
I make my metaphors. That's okay, I'm Jack Jones recorded
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a Bread tribute album. How about that? Out? Did he did?
He sing the theme song to the Love Boat too?
And then he did? Then he did that Bread tribute albums.
That's okay, a Bread tribute albums. There's your deep dive
into that you never would have expected. Happy New Week.
Don want to name this band Bread? Why? I don't know.
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I just having a slice of bread, so we name
it Bread? Okay? That was the theories. They needed a name.
They saw bread truck go by. I don't know if
that's the true story, but that's the Yeah. It's hey, man,
you know what some of that whole week great bread Man.
People just tuning in may not be aware that Gino
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Smith was the featured athlete on Monday Night Football. Therefore
half the segment it's on the best of Bread album.
You know what I was thinking, Man, if I had
some bread Man, Baby, I'm a want some bread Man.
Maybe we make those titles of songs. Dude. Alright, you're
cheapening a great album now, all right, man, that would
be great. I'm going to write this down in my diary. Man,
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this is all good things, all these songs great, all right,
thank you, Steven. We were talking about the Mets, right
we were eight six manh yeah, thirty five anniversary of
the eight six Mats and a couple of things to
talk about this because look, this is the most famous
play in baseball history, right, It's it's not about Yeah,
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we can say that it's after ten o'clock, yes, nobody,
but it was. It was out of it was out
of trading car. But no one's ever seen that. It's
part of part of history. No. I mean I read
the book about it and it was awesome. Was describing
the play as it was incentive. I would have loved
to have seen it, but nobody saw it. And I'm
trying because they had the trading card set that was
all the funny plays and that There's been so many
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payment but there's no play more famous than the Buckner Play.
The Buckner Play is the most famous play in baseball history. Clearly.
It's it's you need something that's actually been on television,
but you know, you want to go from the Buckner play,
the Gibson home run, Bobby Thompson's home run. There's lots
of plays, but that's that's a big one too. But
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but the the romanticism and and the number of storylines
coming off of the Buckner play is unmatched. There there
is nothing how you're talking about. They're still doing uh
documentaries on the eight six Mets. And I'm the first
guy to tell you we don't need another documentary, and
those guys still have stories to tell, don't need it,
and you know, and the thing is stories to tell, right,
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is that you know Mookie Mookie Wilson always says, oh,
I could have beat I could have beat the ball
to the bag, right if he comes up with it,
I I get on base because I think I would
have beaten him. And it might have been close because
Buckner is not moving well and Mukie Wilson was pretty fast.
But if Mukie Wilson gets the first base, he's not famous.
Nobody cares because what happens is Mokie Wilson beats Bucker
to first base and Ray Knight, who scored the game
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winning run, stays at third. He doesn't try to score.
And something's right, it's not. It's not a it's not
a situation of all. If Mukie Wilson eats them to
the bag, the Mets still scoring, no because Night rounded
third and then barreled over the catcher. It's the Ray
Night story for the last thirty years. Yes, exactly, but
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that's not what happened. Because Ray Knight was on second
he rounded third, you see him stays touching his helmet.
He's going crazy, going, oh, it's you know, it's it's
it's not a play. The most famous play is not
a play that anybody remembers or cares about. If Mukie
Wilson beats it out to first base, it's not it's
not a play. It's first and third, the game is tied,
and who knows what happens after that, and the Mets
still have the game winning run ninety feet away. But
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it's not the Buckner play. It doesn't happen. It is.
It is just a play in a World Series game
like and and many people, if the Red Sox lost,
would look back and go, oh boy, Buckner got beat
to the bag. If he had, just if Dave Stapleton
was out playing first base, the defensive replacement, maybe he
makes the play and it's just one of those either
or plays in World series history, famous baseball plays. But
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because of that, because it got through Buckler's likes, it
became the play. And you know, yeah, it's great, Mookie.
If you beat that would have been great. No one
would have cared, No one cared anything about it. No
one would have not not once, not once, and it
would have been you had a different life, everybody different,
Like Buckner's life would have been better. He wouldn't have
had to spend so much time in seclusion because he
had a really a rough life. You know, he put
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everything into playing. And I remember reading the book about
the play, and one of the books I've read about
the play in the eighties six Mets and Buckner talking
about all the medicine and the pills he had to
take just to play because of the pain he had
to go through every day with his ankles, and he's like,
I don't know what it's gonna mean for my life
in the long run, but I want to play. And
you know, clearly, you know, he died young, you know,
young ish, and so you don't know what that effect
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had on him. But also the rest of his life
would have been different. Everybody's life would have been different.
And who who knows how famous the eighties six World Series?
Did the Mets just go win later on and they
went an extra innings and but that play, because of that,
because it went through his legs, that was the most
famous play in baseball history. And it wouldn't have been
if Mookie beats it out. Nobody cares. We're not talking
about it already five years later. No, just the curiosity, right,
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because we go through all of those seminal moments in
our child, you know, upbringing watching sports, and you you
look at this one, all right, there's still a Game seven.
Most folks forget Steve bartmant all the meltdown at the Cups.
There was still a Game seven. Kirk gibbson. That was
Game one of the World Series. Again, huge moment, great call,
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all of those things, dramatic moments. You couldn't script it
any better, you know, it is the natural moment come
to life. But it was game one. So like we
we go through and they have such and then this
one just has such dramatic impact and all flows out
of it when it really wasn't the end of it, right,
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Like that's the crazy part about it is that it
didn't end the series. And then we start talking about
Calvin Schiraldi and all of those things rolling through the
Game seven. But think about the cottage industry. It's like
the Five Bears, Like there's always another tale. There's always
a hey, remember we were, oh yeah, let's write a
book about it and it's a cottage industry for writers
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and for the players and the coaches and everybody that
was in the front office, all the fans and fan
uh you know self published books that are out there,
because I know you've got a bunch of them. You
may have written one or two yourself. But it's just
amazing how how these just take out a life of
their own. And this play, if I haven't seen it
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more than times in my life, I'd be surprised. M hm.
And you know, the funny thing is is that you
know Frostburg who always all the Mets, Mets blah blah
blah blah. You know, he's always saying the Mets, the Mets, stuck,
always needling me. But uh, this was probably about five
years ago where uh he was like he was so
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excited for one time he was a big Mets fan,
speaking of the eighties six Mets because he and I
almost shared an elevator with Keith Hernandez at Doctor Your Stadium, right,
you know it was I can't get over the reaction
on social media when I put it out there. Oh
my god, we were just uh, you know, uh one one,
you know, ten five feet away from sharing an elevator
with Keith r. Nandez, Like my tweet went viral and
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when nuts it was a Dodger stadium and he was
he was in the middle of the game, and he
was like, you know, when he gets an inning or
two off to go, you know, get something, echo to
the bathroom whatever it was, and um, he's We're waiting
in the to get in the media elevator because we're
going up to the uh up to the press box
and Keith her Nandez is in front of us, and
we're like, okay, and there's a line to get in
and we're waiting to get in, and the and the
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elevator just got to UH occupied. So for for us
to get in would have been really difficult. We would
have looked like jerks, like we're only getting in just
to be next to keither Nandez. So we let Keith
r Nandez getting the elevator, We let it close, and
frost brooks at and he goes, oh, we should have
just bum rushed in. We should have done it, man,
which we you know, we should have died. That's a
big frost Brook said, it's sort of the biggest regrets
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of my life, right there not getting in the elevator
with Keith. What would he have said to him? Do
you think? I don't know? Now I'm glad it didn't happen,
because if it happened, who knows what Frostburg would have said.
I have no idea. But when he has said, hey, hey,
let's talk about as Frostberg watch sign Feld all the
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way through, I don't know. Now he's a Larry David guy,
but I don't know. If he's I don't know. And
then Hernandez would have been get me off this elevator.
Another guy that wants to talk to you about sign
No one wants to talk to about my baseball career.
They all want to talk to me about Seinfeld. I
gotta get off this elevator, man, I gotta get off.
I tied for m v P. Damn it. We were
there about me or was it seventy? Yes? Then he
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got traded and the World Series right right right, then
traded the Mets two years later than the eighties six Mets.
All you know, all of it's all good, it's all good.
Almost shore an elevator with Keith, her and Andez. We
were that close. We were that close. My Carmen that
close and who knows, who knows about like Mukie Wilson,
who knows what my life would have been like, might
might have been difference the whole slow hiding this scenario.
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You're going in Paltrow here, everything gonna change. Team might
have said, hey, Smith, come up and do anything with
us here in the booth. You're a Mets fan, right,
I'm like, yeah, i gotta go. And suddenly I'm in
the booth and it's me and Ron Darling and Hernandez
in the booth and I'm a legend and I'm a
legend with the Mets. You blew. It could have been me.
Could have been bad job by you Twitter At How
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coming up next, we'll get back into the game tonight,
the Seahawks fall to the Saints. Um, what's the biggest
thing to know in off this game? It's gonna be
a complete surprise to you, But we got it for
you next. It's a big deal. This is Fox Sports Radio.
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Be sure to catch live editions of The Jason Smith
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my best friend Mike Harmen and really quick cause I
wanted to get this in tonight. Uh you know now
because this missill play into what we're gonna talking about
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with Pete Carroll coming up in a few minutes. But
the USC job is starting to see some interesting names
be attached to it. Mike Tomlin's name is attached to it.
Jeff Fisher's name is attached to the really job. Yeah,
well it's in a list that Carson Palmer, former quarterback, said,
these are the people that they're kind of talking about.
And there's Jeff Fisher's name, which is a really big
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story because if Jeff Fisher gets the gig, in order
to go seven and nine, they're gonna have to increase.
The college football season is sixteen games. That's a big story.
We got sixteen games, so we can go seven and night.
I'll look at that. Yeah, you just took the baseball
bat out of the back closet, said Jeff Fisher is
part of his story. Come on, man, crazy. But but
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I look at some of these names and I'm like
James Franklin. James Franklin has everything he needs there. And
and the question with USC for any of these guys, right,
no matter how much you may like to add some
and lend credence to what's being out there, is every
one of these guys gonna want some level of control,
which all reports are they don't give you. So what
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why would you leave Penn State? Mike Tomlin? Why would
you leave Pittsburgh? What I've been there, I've done that.
Are you kidding me? He's got the best gig, right,
There's been three coaches in our lifetime for crying out loud.
So I don't know, as attractive as the job is
on some levels, that there's some clarification and clarity that
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needs to be put forward, at least from where I sit.
And obviously I'm I'm not being considered, so I'm never
gonna get that. We only get bits and pieces out
through the Media's to the power and who the power
brokers are in this. But yeah, some of the names,
I'm like, why why would they leave their current situations?
I need more, I need more of an explanation than that, right,
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you just to link them. And it's not to say
that they haven't had feelers with their agents, right, Like
anything can be had if the price is right. Right,
go back to the Ted Dbasi million dollar man. I mean,
it works, but he's gonna be in, don't have ailed,
don't have to do any of that stuff, compliance issues,
whatever else. I find it curious that all of a
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sudden you've got a bunch of head coaches from the
NFL or x NFL, and then with James Franklin, it's
just a whole other question of why he would leave
that program that he's built up, and obviously a crushing
loss nine overtimes, Are you kidding me? Yeah? Hell was that.
It's a tough one and in the final scores normally
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you get into three overtimes. We're into the fifties arready.
Well that's nobody stopped anybody. Well because they changed the rules,
you know, which I always hate because I'm like, oh,
I used to like those, you know, eighty three games,
but you know, changing the rules to just be the
two point conversion, I'm like, ah, that takes away from
just how you knowing how great the scores used to be.
But nobody scores yeah this one game or now you
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got guys getting hurt, so you're doing all sorts of craziness.
Watch for Pete Carroll's name to be connected to not
only usc but other college jobs and other pro jobs.
Because what we saw tonight at the end of Monday
Night football, right in the thirteen ten win by the
by the Saints, uh, the Seahawks season is done, right,
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Their season is over there two and five. They have
three games coming up with a bye. They get the Jaguars,
which they may not beat the Jaguars, but then afterwards
after that they have Arizona, they have Green Bay. They're
not gonna in those games. You're looking at three and seven,
and you're looking up at two of the best teams
in the National Football League in Arizona and Los Angeles.
So your season is done. Even if Russell Wilson does
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come back in like three weeks or so. Now, if
he's incredibly healthy, he comes back next week, Hey, okay,
but still you're playing two teams that are way better
than you are. Okay, the Arizona Cardinals are way better.
So are the Green Bay Packers. So your season is done.
But what's happened now is the balance of power in
that organization has shifted. Whereas when Russell Wilson wanted out,
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he wanted out because oh, no, one's listening to me.
We should do X, Y and Z, And the team
is like, nope, we're gonna do what we want, all right,
And there was kind of a detente between the two sides.
All Right, we'll try to get better, we'll listen to you,
and we'll see how this season goes. Uh. Now, it's
quite obvious that Russell Wilson is the most powerful person
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in the organization because without him, the Seahawks can't win.
All right, No, no, to Gino Smith, I mean Geno
Smith's backup quarterback. Okay, Russell Wilson is Russell Wilson. The
guy is that special? Have seen if we lose Russell Wilson,
we're stuck because we don't know if we can get
a better quarterback. We don't know what it's gonna be
like to out there. Can we get some Is anybody
out of the draft gonna be good? You know, a
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month ago, Spencer Rattler could have been the second overall
pick in the draft. Now the guy might have to
transfer and go play someplace else, all right, So we
don't know if there's that quarterback. We're really gonna get
lucky again in the third round with Russell Wilson again.
So they know that Russell Wilson has that power, and
he's smart enough to know it too. And so Pete
Carroll is gonna sit back and and and see the
way the landscape is unfolding and go, oh, this might
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not be my team anymore because Russell Wilson's gonna want
everything done his way, and he knows he has that power.
And because Pete Carroll was the one that didn't want
to give him any power, didn't want to listen to him.
He knows that I'm the guy that could be out,
and I could be out because of this. So now
you're gonna see his name come up with every other
job opening. And you know why is Pete Carroll's Because
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this is how it's going. Because Russell Wilson now is
gonna stay in Seattle because he's got the cash, a
he's got everything, because it's his team. Because without him,
look how bad the team is. Right we told you
last hour, Pete Carroll's fifteen games under five without Russell Wilson.
Right with Russell Wilson, it's two Super Bowl appearances and
a win and should have been too, but it wasn't.
Um he's the most powerful guy, and when you didn't
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get along with him, he's gonna remember that, and he's
gonna want to coach, coming in saying, hey, we're gonna
do it my way. Who's gonna listen to me and
we're gonna plan things and kind of do it together.
I've seen Aaron Rodgers have to find his way out
of Green Bay. I saw Tom Brady have to find
his way out of New England. But I can have
that juice here. I can have been the coach can
leave and I can stay watch watch all the Pete
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cow rumors that start coming out now. Well, yeah, he
also had to address it in the post game right
first oh in three for the Seahawks at home. Since
what so you've got big streets, right, because my beloved
bulls at the longest season opening winning streaks since So
we're we're going back in wind as it were. But
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Pete Carroll addressing people are asking about the importance of
Russell Wilson. The thing he goes, well, obviously it's important.
If he hasn't played so well, and it wasn't Russell Wilson,
I wouldn't still be here, right, so you know, he
he recognizes that they're at and and for Russell Wilson
all of those other pieces. Obviously, you got two wide
receivers that one who isn't really utilized much at all
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entirely Locket and the other in DK Metcalf. You had
the big play on the second possession, and then he
went silent, and obviously battles in the secondary And and
I don't bad blood always gets associated as soon as
guys started John a little bit. Let's just face it.
The DK Metcalf and the Saints cornerbacks don't like each
other much, so we know that. So maybe maybe some
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of that, you know, physicality kept Gino from throwing in
his general direction. But you don't have the defense that
you did once upon a time, and certainly have no
run game. Right, Beast Mode was hanging out with the
Mannings and cursing a bunch, so you don't have that. Uh,
the guys that you tried to make your three headed monster.
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Carson's unavailable. Penny was back, but he's a jag, sorry,
just a guy at this point in his career, right,
former number one first round pick and now, uh, he
barely can stay healthy, and when he does, he's a
non factor. And then Alex Collins couldn't fall forward. He
barely fell forward. Right, he's about six ft tall, a
little over two yards of carry, So you've got nothing.
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And so it goes on to Geno Smith with and
joked about it earlier that tomorrow that'll be the topic, Right,
why hasn't this guy been credited with more of the
success given what the team is now in his absence? Like,
and you know that there's your prediction guaranteed to be true.
But for Pete Carroll with all these other jobs college
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coaches right in college coaching spots Miami, and we we've
already seen, you know, the ouster of several other coaches
that could be landing spots, and certainly USC has already
sent the feelers out on that. He did that in
press conferences what three weeks ago. I was asked about
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it and kind of danced around it a little bit. So, yeah,
if there's a big power play and they decided to
move on, and Russell Wilson is like, all right, my
way or the highway. Not that he can force a
trade much like we've talked about with Aaron Rodgers, but
maybe he's more active and vocal and not working behind
the scenes with media minions and and does it directly,
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then yeah, it becomes a much more uncomfortable and untenable
situation for Pete Carroll. Twitter At how about a fresco
Mike gets swollen, dumb. I'm telling you watch out. Look
at all the rumors Russell Wilson is going to have
that power play. Be sure to catch live editions of
The Jason Smith Show with Mike Harmon weekdays at ten
pm Eastern seven pm Pacific. Uh. So, you know, I
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hate to say told you so because it's kind of difficult.
And sometimes I mean it when I said other times
I don't. I just say it because it's something to say.
I'd just like to say something like that, to say
when I'm gonna off somebody, right, the Sam Jackson line.
But I told you Sam Donald is just a guy.
I told you he is. Even when the Carolina Panthers
are winning. I told you Sam Donald is just a guy.
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And now here he is on the cusp of not
being the Panthers quarterback anymore. He gets benched against the
Giants a day ago. He's told he's still the guy
going forward, but now we know the Panthers have renewed
interest in getting to Shawn Watson. I told you Sam
Donald was just a guy. I've seen him play for
three years. He would have flashed more if he was
(26:43):
an elite quarterback. And he's playing with pretty good weapons,
all right. He's got Robby Anderson, you know, he's got
receivers that are really good. You know. No, he hasn't
had Christian McCaffrey, but he's got a pretty decent offensive line,
a really good defensive line. Everything you want, right, you
got d J. Moore, you and every you want. And
now this is four games in a row. He's been terrible,
all right, He's still when I watched him, even the
(27:05):
Jets game opening week, he was missing open receivers and
he was missing reads. That's what he does, right, That's
what Sam Donald does. He makes mistakes, he makes bad throws,
He throws into coverage and he doesn't see open receivers.
He is not going to make it to the end
of one. Is a starting quarterback for the Carolina Panthers, right,
whether it's p J. Walker or p J Fleck or
(27:26):
p J Funny Bunny Moody's gonna come in and and
Donald is going to sit here. They feel like they
had the wool pulled over their eyes, like we all
we got Donald out of New York, right, and then
everybody wanted to jump on that uh narrative for the
first couple of weeks. Oh, you got Donal out of
New York. The Jets suck so much? You got him out? Look,
how good at your son? Now? No, I told you
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he was just a guy. You know. We'd like to
make fun of the Jets. There's other reasons to make
fun of the Jets. You don't need that one. And
I told you he was just a guy. And now
you see what's going on, and the Panthers are going Man,
we made trades for lockdown cornerbacks because we thought we
were really good. You know, he did was being bad
teams and Donald was just okay. And now you are
(28:08):
struggling and you have nowhere to go, and and it's
it's really difficult, and it's no wonder that suddenly, hey,
we want to get back into the mix for Deshaun Watson.
We want to get back in there because he had
Donald's They know after seven games, Donald's just a guy.
Seven games, they know he's just a guy. We gotta
go get somebody else. This is his last year as
a starting quarterback in the NFL, and the best thing
(28:28):
for Donald is that someone will sign him to be
a backup, because he's been in the league for a
while and he's young, and he's got a hope that
he gets Tannehild at some point where he gets to
a team and he's comfortable in the system and he
backs up for a while and he gets a break
because a quarterback gets hurt and he goes and he
plays fantastic and he gets a contract, he gets to
keep starting. Right, That's what all the young quarterbacks that
(28:49):
are underachieving hope because they know that when you were
on your second team. And this is Donald's last chance.
He's got a few weeks left to be a starting
quarterback in the National Football League before he's a backup,
and hoping that he can get Tannehild when he's years old. Smith,
I mean you you turned your back on him at
the end of his run there in New York, and
(29:09):
you were waiting for this moment, and now you stand
proudly to say I told you so. Look, you can
only be who's on the schedule. They were trash. You
imagine Robby Anderson. He's he's a non factor, Okay, he's
he's he's a non contributor to all this, even though
they had a great rapport once upon a time, they
had that big play right to start the season, that
one catch and everybody thought, ah, here we go. Now
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you got d J. Moore. You don't have Christian McCaffrey,
you have a bad offensive line. There's there's a lot
going on there. And as much as I may like
the individual efforts of chew be Hubbard. He's not Christian McCaffrey. Alright,
so a lot is lost in your offense. I I
don't take Sam Donald to the to the trash bin,
but certainly he's a guy who's had ample opportunity to
flash and he hasn't. So it's done, and now he'll
(29:57):
have a nice long career. He can bounce around. And
Caroline has got to figure it out. Do they actually
go get Deshaun Watson? Do they just ride out the
string and see what happens? Right? Because we're through week seven,
so still some some opportunity and hope to maybe cling
(30:18):
to a puncher's chance of the number seven seed in
the NFC. But are you really a contender? That's what
Temper and Matt Rule have to figure out here. Twitter At,
how about a fresca? Mike gets swollen? Don the Jason
Smith's my best friend, Mike Harmen Coming up next, we
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(30:39):
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you how bad things are for the Seahawks. Things are
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you know, before we get to a little bit more
on the Monday night game, let me tell you this, right,
it's very fashionable today to say, oh boy, the Chiefs
are in trouble. Oh the Chiefs drop. You know, on
September we told you the Chiefs were in trouble and
the Raiders were going to win the division. On September.
(32:07):
We told you that because the Chiefs their defense is
not any good. They can't run the football like they
used to, they don't have the weapons they used to,
and they're gonna rely on Patrick Mahomes to try to
win a shoot out every single game. We told you
a month ago the Chiefs, we're gonna struggle, and they
were gonna be a team that maybe could get to
the wild card maybe if things fell right. But this
(32:31):
is not a team. This is not an elite Chiefs team.
What they did was they fixed the big hole from
the Super Bowl last year. Well, we got a little
bit better offensive line, but this is the same Chiefs
team now the last three years. And the Buck showed
you that if you can get pressure on Mahomes without
having a blitz people, they're gonna struggle because you know what,
they only have a couple of guys can catch the ball,
and you can get by trying to shut down two guys,
(32:54):
Travis Kelsey and Tyreek Hill. They don't have anybody else.
This is not a really good team. They ruggling now.
My Homes trying to do too much. They are going
to struggle. And we told you this a month ago
and the Raiders. Hey, you know, losing Jon Gruden, this
may be the best thing to happen to that. Yeah,
but you can't take you can't take credit for that's
(33:15):
gonna happen, because I mean, I wasn't on board with you,
and so I'll give you credit for, you know, analyzing
and deciding that you were done on the Chiefs ahead
of the curve, right, because you still expect Patrick Mahomes
to figure it out as opposed to, as many scouts
have said, just been too loose with the ball. And
then it became glaringly obvious week after week, first couple
(33:36):
of weeks, like, all right, he's pressing a bit, and
then well, you're broke at this point in terms of
where your offense and like still putting up points. Right,
they're still gonna win some shootouts, but it's not an
easy ride by any stretch. As for the Raiders, it
looked like we were getting ready for second half John
Gruden before you got fired, right, a couple of losses
(33:59):
that no out to the Bears, and then all of
a sudden issacha and Derek carrs the greatest leader in
the world. If you listen to some accounts and here
they are on the rise. So all of a sudden
opportunity knocks with the Chargers that awaiting them. Yeah, you know,
but still I mean I I thought with Gruden they
were going to be fine, but now it looks like
(34:19):
without him, Uh, they're going downfield and they're playing great. Yeah.
I was waiting on the second half fade again, just
like too much history, right, well, when yeah, you won't
get fool me again, thinking all right, they got no.
Week nine turned into pumpkins. And no, it's not that
I thought that, Oh well without him maybe, but they
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were still going downfield. Everything was great, and then they
hit a little bit of a bump. But now without him, uh,
they've been pretty good. And they win yesterday without Wall
or I mean, the greatest football player I've ever seen. Uh,
they won without again you know, Jacobs was hurt and
they still found a way to win. What the Raiders
are good man. I'm telling you the autumn wind always
remember those sell the pumpkin futures before Halloween. So yeah,
(35:06):
so watch out for that. We told you about the Chiefs.
We told you or I told you about the chief Yeah,
that's okay. It's a long season, buddy, we still got
nine We still got nine weeks. It's okay. Uh. Meanwhile, tonight, look,
we spent a lot of time talking about the Seahawks
angle of this. Look, the season is over for the Seahawks,
and now you're gonna wonder the power struggle with Russell
(35:29):
Wilson and and and Pete Carroll, which is gonna wind
up with Pete Carroll being named in every job opening.
But for Jamis Winston, the guys had a pretty good year. Yeah,
tonight was a crantastic game, was a bad game, was
in the rain, It wasn't fun. I'm don't believe in
the Saints because the Saints are four and two, but
that they've played poorly against bad teams and they're barely
(35:49):
making it out. I'm not big on the Saints. But
Jamis Winston's having a really good year. I mean, he's
twelve and three and he's got nobody to throw too.
I mean this to be the worst set of wide
receivers in the NFL, And tonight he's yelling at them.
They're not lined up right there dropping passes. Tray Kwon
Smith came back, he couldn't catch a ball. He's screaming
at the receiver's go here, be here, be here, be here,
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um and Winston is having a pretty good year. I'll
tell you what. The trading deadline coming up, and we
talked about the Deshaun Watson situation. If I'm the Saints,
I gotta go after a pretty big play wide receiver
to bring some kind of helping because you don't know
when Michael Thomas is coming back, and there's guys are
gonna be out there, whether it's allan Robinson or Jamison
crowd or bunch of guys. You gotta go get a
couple of guys, get out there and help because this
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could be a really dynamic offense because Winston is shown
he can still be dynamic and still move the team.
And and besides Alvin Camara, who else is gonna throw to.
I mean, we all thought Marcus Callowe, Oh my god,
he's gonna be great. He's going to his touchdowns in
the preseason. He's gotching two passes a week. Right, they
have nobody, They have absolutely nobody. You have to go
out and get more weapons for him. And if you do,
(36:57):
watch out the Saints can start lightening up. But they
need more on offense. They gotta help Jamis Winston out well. Incredulous,
just that the type of game that Alvin Kamara can
have and find so much space, not so much as
a runner, although he picked up a huge first down.
They were one of ten on third down conversions. Uh
and it was third and long. I think it was
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actually third and ten. When he rips off this twelve
yard run, it's like, Okay, this is the only guy
doing anything in this offense. Tom Brady when he was
on halftime, in the near halftime with the Manning brothers
right goes in and just he scores the touchdown. He
looks at the stat that graphic that comes up eight
catches a hundred nine yards and the score. He goes,
(37:38):
how how do you not key on him? Like just
dead pans it? Because really he was good at doing
giving you nice snippets of nostalgia from guys that are
no longer in the league. But he's usually pretty tight
lipped about new you know, the stuff currently like gives
you some generalities. In this game, it was like, you
gotta worry about that guy. That's it. That's all you got.
(37:58):
Uh So yeah, go find Dallen Robinson, get him out
of purgatory another to catch sixteen yard game for him.
He's gone over forty yards twice all year, So get
him out of Chicago. Give the guy helping hand help
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to Fox Sports Radio. Fox Sports Radio, that Jason Smith
Show with my best friend Mike Harmon. How buddy, I
got a big quarterback story coming your way in a
couple of minutes, because you know, I hate to say
I told you so, but it's Monday, and you know
kind of did. But uh, you know, today is a
big anniversary in sports, the one of the the biggest,
(00:47):
the anniversary of the biggest play, the most popular play
in the history of Major League Baseball. We're gonna get
that sound ready, Ryan Burr Singer. It was thirty five
years ago today, October was a Saturday night. Young high
school student named Jason Smith was in his basement. It's
feeling really bereft of emotion as it looked like Mets
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weren't gonna win the World Series. They're gonna lose. The
bleeping Red Sox. You know, a hundred and forty wins
during the year, the eight six Mets, the best team
I'd ever had. This is it. I was gonna ascend
to a glorious destiny, and I was gonna lose because
We're going to the bottom of the last inning down
two runs. It was it. It was over. And then
(01:30):
this happened three and two to Lukie Wilson. Little roller
up along first, behind the back, It gets through up
there come to night and the Mets win it. If
one picture it's worth a thousand words, you have seen
(01:52):
about a million words. But more than that, you have
seen an absolutely bizarre finished to Game six World Vin
Scully on the call. Isn't that bread? You're right? Is
that bread? If a picture's worth a thousand words, then
why can't I paint you right? That's bread? Right? No idea? Really,
(02:14):
I'm usually pretty good. You may have stuff you on
a rock and roll past. Now, wow, okay, I'm pretty
sure that's I got to look that up. Now, I
think it's bread. Uh it is a song by Bread. Wait,
Steve to Sager, Wait, we have the breaking news again.
We play the breaking news sounder. We have absolutely David Gates.
You bet it is news from Fox Sports. Alright, Steve
(02:36):
the singer? Is that a song by Bread? Yeah? I
can do better on that than the isn't a Magic
Johnson tweet? Okay, alright, now that we've we've paused this
and you've heard the record scratch Um literally from nineteen
seventy one, uh, the album mana Brett Steve a lot
(02:58):
of Bread listening up in your in your track? Actually
what we got here? One of our car pool drivers
going to school in uh or the early eighties still
had a Best of Bread. Uh. It wasn't even a
CD back then, tape that would get played in the
probably what do you call it? A uh eight track? Yeah,
I have I have expected that sentence to end with
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David Gates was driving the Bread truck and then taking
kids to snow and it was we had Best of Bread, Uh,
the Saturday Night Fever soundtrack and Rumors by Fleetwood Mac.
There was all the seventies collection that was still in
this person's car a decade later. And so yes, I
know all three of those albums very well. So wait, wait,
(03:41):
you can get all of those great songs. In the
seventies in one place. How could I do that? Where's
that car? But wait, there's more. If you fill in
the golden box, now you'll get your first five albums
for one penny. And you gotta take that penny in
the little box. Oh yeah, yeah, I gotta get I'm
gonna get all these the Columbia Record Club. Wow, so
(04:05):
that caught you get all the BMG whatever you needed.
You can never get out of that club. Are a cult.
I was happy about that fastball do Steve to say,
all these albums we had in this car, all those
great songs, and one plate he didn't mention Bobrey or
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Baby I'm Gonna want you. I mean just go down you.
Oh yeah, that was a big one. Baby I'm Gonna
want you. Yeah, that was okay, alright wait wait, wait
we're either of those guys ever future in air supply
after that? No, no air supply Australia. Bread I think
is Oregon? Okay, California and Oregon diving deep here? All right? Right? Yeah,
(04:51):
that is a deep dive on bread. There we go.
That's a lot more than we ever spent about Diary.
Don't you remember Diary? That was a great song dire Okay, okay,
all by David Gates for these all David Gates songs, Yes, okay, alright,
very good. Okay, I'm not I'm not going to do
a deep dive into the biography of David Gates over
the next couple of days. So excuse me, Baby, I'm
(05:11):
a want you again. No, I get that, Steve. Thanks, yeah,
And unlike the odd couple, you're actually hitting most of
the notes on the Oh, thanks so much. But he's
eighty years old. Oklahoma, that's it. We gotta find him now.
Baby I'm a one. You think he's still touring? You
think Bread is still touring? I don't know, but I
(05:35):
would ask to say, I'm going to see Yeah, I'm
going next week. You actually there have been supply chain problems.
So as you can understand, how did I not know?
Inglebert Humperdink recorded a version of Baby I'm a One,
but then company, company, Company, Company, company, command company. Sorry,
I make my metaphors. That's okay, I'm Jack Jones recorded
(05:57):
a Bread tribute album. How about that? Out? Did he did?
He sing the theme song to the Love Boat too?
And then he did? Then he did that Bread tribute albums.
That's okay, a Bread tribute albums. There's your deep dive
into that you never would have expected. Happy New Week.
Don want to name this band Bread? Why? I don't know.
(06:18):
I just having a slice of bread, so we name
it Bread? Okay? That was the theories. They needed a name.
They saw bread truck go by. I don't know if
that's the true story, but that's the Yeah. It's hey, man,
you know what some of that whole week great bread Man.
People just tuning in may not be aware that Gino
(06:40):
Smith was the featured athlete on Monday Night Football. Therefore
half the segment it's on the best of Bread album.
You know what I was thinking, Man, if I had
some bread Man, Baby, I'm a want some bread Man.
Maybe we make those titles of songs. Dude. Alright, you're
cheapening a great album now, all right, man, that would
be great. I'm going to write this down in my diary. Man,
(07:02):
this is all good things, all these songs great, all right,
thank you, Steven. We were talking about the Mets, right
we were eight six manh yeah, thirty five anniversary of
the eight six Mats and a couple of things to
talk about this because look, this is the most famous
play in baseball history, right, It's it's not about Yeah,
(07:24):
we can say that it's after ten o'clock, yes, nobody,
but it was. It was out of it was out
of trading car. But no one's ever seen that. It's
part of part of history. No. I mean I read
the book about it and it was awesome. Was describing
the play as it was incentive. I would have loved
to have seen it, but nobody saw it. And I'm
trying because they had the trading card set that was
all the funny plays and that There's been so many
(07:47):
payment but there's no play more famous than the Buckner Play.
The Buckner Play is the most famous play in baseball history. Clearly.
It's it's you need something that's actually been on television,
but you know, you want to go from the Buckner play,
the Gibson home run, Bobby Thompson's home run. There's lots
of plays, but that's that's a big one too. But
(08:07):
but the the romanticism and and the number of storylines
coming off of the Buckner play is unmatched. There there
is nothing how you're talking about. They're still doing uh
documentaries on the eight six Mets. And I'm the first
guy to tell you we don't need another documentary, and
those guys still have stories to tell, don't need it,
and you know, and the thing is stories to tell, right,
(08:27):
is that you know Mookie Mookie Wilson always says, oh,
I could have beat I could have beat the ball
to the bag, right if he comes up with it,
I I get on base because I think I would
have beaten him. And it might have been close because
Buckner is not moving well and Mukie Wilson was pretty fast.
But if Mukie Wilson gets the first base, he's not famous.
Nobody cares because what happens is Mokie Wilson beats Bucker
to first base and Ray Knight, who scored the game
(08:50):
winning run, stays at third. He doesn't try to score.
And something's right, it's not. It's not a it's not
a situation of all. If Mukie Wilson eats them to
the bag, the Mets still scoring, no because Night rounded
third and then barreled over the catcher. It's the Ray
Night story for the last thirty years. Yes, exactly, but
(09:13):
that's not what happened. Because Ray Knight was on second
he rounded third, you see him stays touching his helmet.
He's going crazy, going, oh, it's you know, it's it's
it's not a play. The most famous play is not
a play that anybody remembers or cares about. If Mukie
Wilson beats it out to first base, it's not it's
not a play. It's first and third, the game is tied,
and who knows what happens after that, and the Mets
still have the game winning run ninety feet away. But
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it's not the Buckner play. It doesn't happen. It is.
It is just a play in a World Series game
like and and many people, if the Red Sox lost,
would look back and go, oh boy, Buckner got beat
to the bag. If he had, just if Dave Stapleton
was out playing first base, the defensive replacement, maybe he
makes the play and it's just one of those either
or plays in World series history, famous baseball plays. But
(09:56):
because of that, because it got through Buckler's likes, it
became the play. And you know, yeah, it's great, Mookie.
If you beat that would have been great. No one
would have cared, No one cared anything about it. No
one would have not not once, not once, and it
would have been you had a different life, everybody different,
Like Buckner's life would have been better. He wouldn't have
had to spend so much time in seclusion because he
had a really a rough life. You know, he put
(10:18):
everything into playing. And I remember reading the book about
the play, and one of the books I've read about
the play in the eighties six Mets and Buckner talking
about all the medicine and the pills he had to
take just to play because of the pain he had
to go through every day with his ankles, and he's like,
I don't know what it's gonna mean for my life
in the long run, but I want to play. And
you know, clearly, you know, he died young, you know,
young ish, and so you don't know what that effect
(10:40):
had on him. But also the rest of his life
would have been different. Everybody's life would have been different.
And who who knows how famous the eighties six World Series?
Did the Mets just go win later on and they
went an extra innings and but that play, because of that,
because it went through his legs, that was the most
famous play in baseball history. And it wouldn't have been
if Mookie beats it out. Nobody cares. We're not talking
about it already five years later. No, just the curiosity, right,
(11:02):
because we go through all of those seminal moments in
our child, you know, upbringing watching sports, and you you
look at this one, all right, there's still a Game seven.
Most folks forget Steve bartmant all the meltdown at the Cups.
There was still a Game seven. Kirk gibbson. That was
Game one of the World Series. Again, huge moment, great call,
(11:26):
all of those things, dramatic moments. You couldn't script it
any better, you know, it is the natural moment come
to life. But it was game one. So like we
we go through and they have such and then this
one just has such dramatic impact and all flows out
of it when it really wasn't the end of it, right,
(11:47):
Like that's the crazy part about it is that it
didn't end the series. And then we start talking about
Calvin Schiraldi and all of those things rolling through the
Game seven. But think about the cottage industry. It's like
the Five Bears, Like there's always another tale. There's always
a hey, remember we were, oh yeah, let's write a
book about it and it's a cottage industry for writers
(12:11):
and for the players and the coaches and everybody that
was in the front office, all the fans and fan
uh you know self published books that are out there,
because I know you've got a bunch of them. You
may have written one or two yourself. But it's just
amazing how how these just take out a life of
their own. And this play, if I haven't seen it
(12:31):
more than times in my life, I'd be surprised. M hm.
And you know, the funny thing is is that you
know Frostburg who always all the Mets, Mets blah blah
blah blah. You know, he's always saying the Mets, the Mets, stuck,
always needling me. But uh, this was probably about five
years ago where uh he was like he was so
(12:52):
excited for one time he was a big Mets fan,
speaking of the eighties six Mets because he and I
almost shared an elevator with Keith Hernandez at Doctor Your Stadium, right,
you know it was I can't get over the reaction
on social media when I put it out there. Oh
my god, we were just uh, you know, uh one one,
you know, ten five feet away from sharing an elevator
with Keith r. Nandez, Like my tweet went viral and
(13:13):
when nuts it was a Dodger stadium and he was
he was in the middle of the game, and he
was like, you know, when he gets an inning or
two off to go, you know, get something, echo to
the bathroom whatever it was, and um, he's We're waiting
in the to get in the media elevator because we're
going up to the uh up to the press box
and Keith her Nandez is in front of us, and
we're like, okay, and there's a line to get in
and we're waiting to get in, and the and the
(13:33):
elevator just got to UH occupied. So for for us
to get in would have been really difficult. We would
have looked like jerks, like we're only getting in just
to be next to keither Nandez. So we let Keith
r Nandez getting the elevator, We let it close, and
frost brooks at and he goes, oh, we should have
just bum rushed in. We should have done it, man,
which we you know, we should have died. That's a
big frost Brook said, it's sort of the biggest regrets
(13:54):
of my life, right there not getting in the elevator
with Keith. What would he have said to him? Do
you think? I don't know? Now I'm glad it didn't happen,
because if it happened, who knows what Frostburg would have said.
I have no idea. But when he has said, hey, hey,
let's talk about as Frostberg watch sign Feld all the
(14:15):
way through, I don't know. Now he's a Larry David guy,
but I don't know. If he's I don't know. And
then Hernandez would have been get me off this elevator.
Another guy that wants to talk to you about sign
No one wants to talk to about my baseball career.
They all want to talk to me about Seinfeld. I
gotta get off this elevator, man, I gotta get off.
I tied for m v P. Damn it. We were
there about me or was it seventy? Yes? Then he
(14:41):
got traded and the World Series right right right, then
traded the Mets two years later than the eighties six Mets.
All you know, all of it's all good, it's all good.
Almost shore an elevator with Keith, her and Andez. We
were that close. We were that close. My Carmen that
close and who knows, who knows about like Mukie Wilson,
who knows what my life would have been like, might
might have been difference the whole slow hiding this scenario.
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You're going in Paltrow here, everything gonna change. Team might
have said, hey, Smith, come up and do anything with
us here in the booth. You're a Mets fan, right,
I'm like, yeah, i gotta go. And suddenly I'm in
the booth and it's me and Ron Darling and Hernandez
in the booth and I'm a legend and I'm a
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my best friend Mike Harmen and really quick cause I
wanted to get this in tonight. Uh you know now
because this missill play into what we're gonna talking about
(16:28):
with Pete Carroll coming up in a few minutes. But
the USC job is starting to see some interesting names
be attached to it. Mike Tomlin's name is attached to it.
Jeff Fisher's name is attached to the really job. Yeah,
well it's in a list that Carson Palmer, former quarterback, said,
these are the people that they're kind of talking about.
And there's Jeff Fisher's name, which is a really big
(16:50):
story because if Jeff Fisher gets the gig, in order
to go seven and nine, they're gonna have to increase.
The college football season is sixteen games. That's a big story.
We got sixteen games, so we can go seven and night.
I'll look at that. Yeah, you just took the baseball
bat out of the back closet, said Jeff Fisher is
part of his story. Come on, man, crazy. But but
(17:13):
I look at some of these names and I'm like
James Franklin. James Franklin has everything he needs there. And
and the question with USC for any of these guys, right,
no matter how much you may like to add some
and lend credence to what's being out there, is every
one of these guys gonna want some level of control,
which all reports are they don't give you. So what
(17:38):
why would you leave Penn State? Mike Tomlin? Why would
you leave Pittsburgh? What I've been there, I've done that.
Are you kidding me? He's got the best gig, right,
There's been three coaches in our lifetime for crying out loud.
So I don't know, as attractive as the job is
on some levels, that there's some clarification and clarity that
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needs to be put forward, at least from where I sit.
And obviously I'm I'm not being considered, so I'm never
gonna get that. We only get bits and pieces out
through the Media's to the power and who the power
brokers are in this. But yeah, some of the names,
I'm like, why why would they leave their current situations?
I need more, I need more of an explanation than that, right,
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you just to link them. And it's not to say
that they haven't had feelers with their agents, right, Like
anything can be had if the price is right. Right,
go back to the Ted Dbasi million dollar man. I mean,
it works, but he's gonna be in, don't have ailed,
don't have to do any of that stuff, compliance issues,
whatever else. I find it curious that all of a
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sudden you've got a bunch of head coaches from the
NFL or x NFL, and then with James Franklin, it's
just a whole other question of why he would leave
that program that he's built up, and obviously a crushing
loss nine overtimes, Are you kidding me? Yeah? Hell was that.
It's a tough one and in the final scores normally
(19:06):
you get into three overtimes. We're into the fifties arready.
Well that's nobody stopped anybody. Well because they changed the rules,
you know, which I always hate because I'm like, oh,
I used to like those, you know, eighty three games,
but you know, changing the rules to just be the
two point conversion, I'm like, ah, that takes away from
just how you knowing how great the scores used to be.
But nobody scores yeah this one game or now you
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got guys getting hurt, so you're doing all sorts of craziness.
Watch for Pete Carroll's name to be connected to not
only usc but other college jobs and other pro jobs.
Because what we saw tonight at the end of Monday
Night football, right in the thirteen ten win by the
by the Saints, uh, the Seahawks season is done, right,
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Their season is over there two and five. They have
three games coming up with a bye. They get the Jaguars,
which they may not beat the Jaguars, but then afterwards
after that they have Arizona, they have Green Bay. They're
not gonna in those games. You're looking at three and seven,
and you're looking up at two of the best teams
in the National Football League in Arizona and Los Angeles.
So your season is done. Even if Russell Wilson does
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come back in like three weeks or so. Now, if
he's incredibly healthy, he comes back next week, Hey, okay,
but still you're playing two teams that are way better
than you are. Okay, the Arizona Cardinals are way better.
So are the Green Bay Packers. So your season is done.
But what's happened now is the balance of power in
that organization has shifted. Whereas when Russell Wilson wanted out,
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he wanted out because oh, no, one's listening to me.
We should do X, Y and Z, And the team
is like, nope, we're gonna do what we want, all right,
And there was kind of a detente between the two sides.
All Right, we'll try to get better, we'll listen to you,
and we'll see how this season goes. Uh. Now, it's
quite obvious that Russell Wilson is the most powerful person
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in the organization because without him, the Seahawks can't win.
All right, No, no, to Gino Smith, I mean Geno
Smith's backup quarterback. Okay, Russell Wilson is Russell Wilson. The
guy is that special? Have seen if we lose Russell Wilson,
we're stuck because we don't know if we can get
a better quarterback. We don't know what it's gonna be
like to out there. Can we get some Is anybody
out of the draft gonna be good? You know, a
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month ago, Spencer Rattler could have been the second overall
pick in the draft. Now the guy might have to
transfer and go play someplace else, all right, So we
don't know if there's that quarterback. We're really gonna get
lucky again in the third round with Russell Wilson again.
So they know that Russell Wilson has that power, and
he's smart enough to know it too. And so Pete
Carroll is gonna sit back and and and see the
way the landscape is unfolding and go, oh, this might
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not be my team anymore because Russell Wilson's gonna want
everything done his way, and he knows he has that power.
And because Pete Carroll was the one that didn't want
to give him any power, didn't want to listen to him.
He knows that I'm the guy that could be out,
and I could be out because of this. So now
you're gonna see his name come up with every other
job opening. And you know why is Pete Carroll's Because
(22:02):
this is how it's going. Because Russell Wilson now is
gonna stay in Seattle because he's got the cash, a
he's got everything, because it's his team. Because without him,
look how bad the team is. Right we told you
last hour, Pete Carroll's fifteen games under five without Russell Wilson.
Right with Russell Wilson, it's two Super Bowl appearances and
a win and should have been too, but it wasn't.
Um he's the most powerful guy, and when you didn't
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get along with him, he's gonna remember that, and he's
gonna want to coach, coming in saying, hey, we're gonna
do it my way. Who's gonna listen to me and
we're gonna plan things and kind of do it together.
I've seen Aaron Rodgers have to find his way out
of Green Bay. I saw Tom Brady have to find
his way out of New England. But I can have
that juice here. I can have been the coach can
leave and I can stay watch watch all the Pete
(22:45):
cow rumors that start coming out now. Well, yeah, he
also had to address it in the post game right
first oh in three for the Seahawks at home. Since
what so you've got big streets, right, because my beloved
bulls at the longest season opening winning streaks since So
we're we're going back in wind as it were. But
(23:06):
Pete Carroll addressing people are asking about the importance of
Russell Wilson. The thing he goes, well, obviously it's important.
If he hasn't played so well, and it wasn't Russell Wilson,
I wouldn't still be here, right, so you know, he
he recognizes that they're at and and for Russell Wilson
all of those other pieces. Obviously, you got two wide
receivers that one who isn't really utilized much at all
(23:29):
entirely Locket and the other in DK Metcalf. You had
the big play on the second possession, and then he
went silent, and obviously battles in the secondary And and
I don't bad blood always gets associated as soon as
guys started John a little bit. Let's just face it.
The DK Metcalf and the Saints cornerbacks don't like each
other much, so we know that. So maybe maybe some
(23:52):
of that, you know, physicality kept Gino from throwing in
his general direction. But you don't have the defense that
you did once upon a time, and certainly have no
run game. Right, Beast Mode was hanging out with the
Mannings and cursing a bunch, so you don't have that. Uh,
the guys that you tried to make your three headed monster.
(24:13):
Carson's unavailable. Penny was back, but he's a jag, sorry,
just a guy at this point in his career, right,
former number one first round pick and now, uh, he
barely can stay healthy, and when he does, he's a
non factor. And then Alex Collins couldn't fall forward. He
barely fell forward. Right, he's about six ft tall, a
little over two yards of carry, So you've got nothing.
(24:34):
And so it goes on to Geno Smith with and
joked about it earlier that tomorrow that'll be the topic, Right,
why hasn't this guy been credited with more of the
success given what the team is now in his absence? Like,
and you know that there's your prediction guaranteed to be true.
But for Pete Carroll with all these other jobs college
(24:56):
coaches right in college coaching spots Miami, and we we've
already seen, you know, the ouster of several other coaches
that could be landing spots, and certainly USC has already
sent the feelers out on that. He did that in
press conferences what three weeks ago. I was asked about
(25:17):
it and kind of danced around it a little bit. So, yeah,
if there's a big power play and they decided to
move on, and Russell Wilson is like, all right, my
way or the highway. Not that he can force a
trade much like we've talked about with Aaron Rodgers, but
maybe he's more active and vocal and not working behind
the scenes with media minions and and does it directly,
(25:37):
then yeah, it becomes a much more uncomfortable and untenable
situation for Pete Carroll. Twitter At how about a fresco
Mike gets swollen, dumb. I'm telling you watch out. Look
at all the rumors Russell Wilson is going to have
that power play. Be sure to catch live editions of
The Jason Smith Show with Mike Harmon weekdays at ten
pm Eastern seven pm Pacific. Uh. So, you know, I
(25:59):
hate to say told you so because it's kind of difficult.
And sometimes I mean it when I said other times
I don't. I just say it because it's something to say.
I'd just like to say something like that, to say
when I'm gonna off somebody, right, the Sam Jackson line.
But I told you Sam Donald is just a guy.
I told you he is. Even when the Carolina Panthers
are winning. I told you Sam Donald is just a guy.
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And now here he is on the cusp of not
being the Panthers quarterback anymore. He gets benched against the
Giants a day ago. He's told he's still the guy
going forward, but now we know the Panthers have renewed
interest in getting to Shawn Watson. I told you Sam
Donald was just a guy. I've seen him play for
three years. He would have flashed more if he was
(26:43):
an elite quarterback. And he's playing with pretty good weapons,
all right. He's got Robby Anderson, you know, he's got
receivers that are really good. You know. No, he hasn't
had Christian McCaffrey, but he's got a pretty decent offensive line,
a really good defensive line. Everything you want, right, you
got d J. Moore, you and every you want. And
now this is four games in a row. He's been terrible,
all right, He's still when I watched him, even the
(27:05):
Jets game opening week, he was missing open receivers and
he was missing reads. That's what he does, right, That's
what Sam Donald does. He makes mistakes, he makes bad throws,
He throws into coverage and he doesn't see open receivers.
He is not going to make it to the end
of one. Is a starting quarterback for the Carolina Panthers, right,
whether it's p J. Walker or p J Fleck or
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p J Funny Bunny Moody's gonna come in and and
Donald is going to sit here. They feel like they
had the wool pulled over their eyes, like we all
we got Donald out of New York, right, and then
everybody wanted to jump on that uh narrative for the
first couple of weeks. Oh, you got Donal out of
New York. The Jets suck so much? You got him out? Look,
how good at your son? Now? No, I told you
(27:46):
he was just a guy. You know. We'd like to
make fun of the Jets. There's other reasons to make
fun of the Jets. You don't need that one. And
I told you he was just a guy. And now
you see what's going on, and the Panthers are going Man,
we made trades for lockdown cornerbacks because we thought we
were really good. You know, he did was being bad
teams and Donald was just okay. And now you are
(28:08):
struggling and you have nowhere to go, and and it's
it's really difficult, and it's no wonder that suddenly, hey,
we want to get back into the mix for Deshaun Watson.
We want to get back in there because he had
Donald's They know after seven games, Donald's just a guy.
Seven games, they know he's just a guy. We gotta
go get somebody else. This is his last year as
a starting quarterback in the NFL, and the best thing
(28:28):
for Donald is that someone will sign him to be
a backup, because he's been in the league for a
while and he's young, and he's got a hope that
he gets Tannehild at some point where he gets to
a team and he's comfortable in the system and he
backs up for a while and he gets a break
because a quarterback gets hurt and he goes and he
plays fantastic and he gets a contract, he gets to
keep starting. Right, That's what all the young quarterbacks that
(28:49):
are underachieving hope because they know that when you were
on your second team. And this is Donald's last chance.
He's got a few weeks left to be a starting
quarterback in the National Football League before he's a backup,
and hoping that he can get Tannehild when he's years old. Smith,
I mean you you turned your back on him at
the end of his run there in New York, and
(29:09):
you were waiting for this moment, and now you stand
proudly to say I told you so. Look, you can
only be who's on the schedule. They were trash. You
imagine Robby Anderson. He's he's a non factor, Okay, he's
he's he's a non contributor to all this, even though
they had a great rapport once upon a time, they
had that big play right to start the season, that
one catch and everybody thought, ah, here we go. Now
(29:33):
you got d J. Moore. You don't have Christian McCaffrey,
you have a bad offensive line. There's there's a lot
going on there. And as much as I may like
the individual efforts of chew be Hubbard. He's not Christian McCaffrey. Alright,
so a lot is lost in your offense. I I
don't take Sam Donald to the to the trash bin,
but certainly he's a guy who's had ample opportunity to
flash and he hasn't. So it's done, and now he'll
(29:57):
have a nice long career. He can bounce around. And
Caroline has got to figure it out. Do they actually
go get Deshaun Watson? Do they just ride out the
string and see what happens? Right? Because we're through week seven,
so still some some opportunity and hope to maybe cling
(30:18):
to a puncher's chance of the number seven seed in
the NFC. But are you really a contender? That's what
Temper and Matt Rule have to figure out here. Twitter At,
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Smith's my best friend, Mike Harmen Coming up next, we
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(30:39):
have what is the unsung story of tonight's Monday Night
football win by the Saints over the Seahawks. I told
you how bad things are for the Seahawks. Things are
looking really good for one quarterback in particular, It's not
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(31:43):
you know, before we get to a little bit more
on the Monday night game, let me tell you this, right,
it's very fashionable today to say, oh boy, the Chiefs
are in trouble. Oh the Chiefs drop. You know, on
September we told you the Chiefs were in trouble and
the Raiders were going to win the division. On September.
(32:07):
We told you that because the Chiefs their defense is
not any good. They can't run the football like they
used to, they don't have the weapons they used to,
and they're gonna rely on Patrick Mahomes to try to
win a shoot out every single game. We told you
a month ago the Chiefs, we're gonna struggle, and they
were gonna be a team that maybe could get to
the wild card maybe if things fell right. But this
(32:31):
is not a team. This is not an elite Chiefs team.
What they did was they fixed the big hole from
the Super Bowl last year. Well, we got a little
bit better offensive line, but this is the same Chiefs
team now the last three years. And the Buck showed
you that if you can get pressure on Mahomes without
having a blitz people, they're gonna struggle because you know what,
they only have a couple of guys can catch the ball,
and you can get by trying to shut down two guys,
(32:54):
Travis Kelsey and Tyreek Hill. They don't have anybody else.
This is not a really good team. They ruggling now.
My Homes trying to do too much. They are going
to struggle. And we told you this a month ago
and the Raiders. Hey, you know, losing Jon Gruden, this
may be the best thing to happen to that. Yeah,
but you can't take you can't take credit for that's
(33:15):
gonna happen, because I mean, I wasn't on board with you,
and so I'll give you credit for, you know, analyzing
and deciding that you were done on the Chiefs ahead
of the curve, right, because you still expect Patrick Mahomes
to figure it out as opposed to, as many scouts
have said, just been too loose with the ball. And
then it became glaringly obvious week after week, first couple
(33:36):
of weeks, like, all right, he's pressing a bit, and
then well, you're broke at this point in terms of
where your offense and like still putting up points. Right,
they're still gonna win some shootouts, but it's not an
easy ride by any stretch. As for the Raiders, it
looked like we were getting ready for second half John
Gruden before you got fired, right, a couple of losses
(33:59):
that no out to the Bears, and then all of
a sudden issacha and Derek carrs the greatest leader in
the world. If you listen to some accounts and here
they are on the rise. So all of a sudden
opportunity knocks with the Chargers that awaiting them. Yeah, you know,
but still I mean I I thought with Gruden they
were going to be fine, but now it looks like
(34:19):
without him, Uh, they're going downfield and they're playing great. Yeah.
I was waiting on the second half fade again, just
like too much history, right, well, when yeah, you won't
get fool me again, thinking all right, they got no.
Week nine turned into pumpkins. And no, it's not that
I thought that, Oh well without him maybe, but they
(34:41):
were still going downfield. Everything was great, and then they
hit a little bit of a bump. But now without him, uh,
they've been pretty good. And they win yesterday without Wall
or I mean, the greatest football player I've ever seen. Uh,
they won without again you know, Jacobs was hurt and
they still found a way to win. What the Raiders
are good man. I'm telling you the autumn wind always
remember those sell the pumpkin futures before Halloween. So yeah,
(35:06):
so watch out for that. We told you about the Chiefs.
We told you or I told you about the chief Yeah,
that's okay. It's a long season, buddy, we still got
nine We still got nine weeks. It's okay. Uh. Meanwhile, tonight, look,
we spent a lot of time talking about the Seahawks
angle of this. Look, the season is over for the Seahawks,
and now you're gonna wonder the power struggle with Russell
(35:29):
Wilson and and and Pete Carroll, which is gonna wind
up with Pete Carroll being named in every job opening.
But for Jamis Winston, the guys had a pretty good year. Yeah,
tonight was a crantastic game, was a bad game, was
in the rain, It wasn't fun. I'm don't believe in
the Saints because the Saints are four and two, but
that they've played poorly against bad teams and they're barely
(35:49):
making it out. I'm not big on the Saints. But
Jamis Winston's having a really good year. I mean, he's
twelve and three and he's got nobody to throw too.
I mean this to be the worst set of wide
receivers in the NFL, And tonight he's yelling at them.
They're not lined up right there dropping passes. Tray Kwon
Smith came back, he couldn't catch a ball. He's screaming
at the receiver's go here, be here, be here, be here,
(36:12):
um and Winston is having a pretty good year. I'll
tell you what. The trading deadline coming up, and we
talked about the Deshaun Watson situation. If I'm the Saints,
I gotta go after a pretty big play wide receiver
to bring some kind of helping because you don't know
when Michael Thomas is coming back, and there's guys are
gonna be out there, whether it's allan Robinson or Jamison
crowd or bunch of guys. You gotta go get a
couple of guys, get out there and help because this
(36:34):
could be a really dynamic offense because Winston is shown
he can still be dynamic and still move the team.
And and besides Alvin Camara, who else is gonna throw to.
I mean, we all thought Marcus Callowe, Oh my god,
he's gonna be great. He's going to his touchdowns in
the preseason. He's gotching two passes a week. Right, they
have nobody, They have absolutely nobody. You have to go
out and get more weapons for him. And if you do,
(36:57):
watch out the Saints can start lightening up. But they
need more on offense. They gotta help Jamis Winston out well. Incredulous,
just that the type of game that Alvin Kamara can
have and find so much space, not so much as
a runner, although he picked up a huge first down.
They were one of ten on third down conversions. Uh
and it was third and long. I think it was
(37:17):
actually third and ten. When he rips off this twelve
yard run, it's like, Okay, this is the only guy
doing anything in this offense. Tom Brady when he was
on halftime, in the near halftime with the Manning brothers
right goes in and just he scores the touchdown. He
looks at the stat that graphic that comes up eight
catches a hundred nine yards and the score. He goes,
(37:38):
how how do you not key on him? Like just
dead pans it? Because really he was good at doing
giving you nice snippets of nostalgia from guys that are
no longer in the league. But he's usually pretty tight
lipped about new you know, the stuff currently like gives
you some generalities. In this game, it was like, you
gotta worry about that guy. That's it. That's all you got.
(37:58):
Uh So yeah, go find Dallen Robinson, get him out
of purgatory another to catch sixteen yard game for him.
He's gone over forty yards twice all year, So get
him out of Chicago. Give the guy helping hand help
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