January 3, 2025 • 41 mins
Jason and Mike tell you if Cam Skattebo’s game will translate at the next level in the NFL. The knuckleheads explain exactly why targeting wasn’t called at the end of the Texas/Arizona State game. And Patrick Mahomes not making the Pro Bowl is the right call.
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Congrats to Note tra Dame into the Final four. I'm
torn Note Tredame. It's I walked out. Pam said to me,
this is great. What you see these teams in the
final four. They gotta wear Notre Dame, Ohio State, Penn State.
How do you think that makes me feel? I said,
I'm going to work. I'll see when I got home.
And then you are hook them horns, hook them? How
(01:19):
did that makes me feel? I'm like, you have the
national championship from last year. It's fine, that was last year.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
It's fine. You're okay. You got Bryce Underwood coming in,
you just beat Alabama, beat Alabama, and you have the
quarterbacks showing up. Yeah, you're all signs point to great
things next year. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
The eyes of Just think of Keith Jackson saying, oh,
the eyes of Texas playing upon us as we're here Lance,
Mcaleney and smu In here to play the Texas Longhorns.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
See, that's what really still has the romanticism of the
Rose Bowl for me, all these years later, I go
back and watch old clips of introductions by Jackson.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
Well, let me tell you about major Apple White holding
off Christims for that starting job with Texas.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
Because somebody Texas got the football. Well, because we had
all the you know, lead up to the game and on,
and once again the dog was in the spotlight. You're
a dog? No, no, no, what's his faces? Herbshreets dog? Yeah?
I saw they showed Ben again. Yeah, well Ben's no
(02:26):
longer with Oh wait wait wait I thought that was
that's a new dog. It's a new dog. He's got
another dog with him. It looks just like Ben. But
that's the thing is he's got this dog and he
is like, well, you know, we saw the snow whatever,
and now he's letting him loose on the beach.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
And I'm like, dog, that's that's illegal. It's illegal on
the beaches. Let he's flaunting it. I let Benny loose
on the beach and not legal. That's kind of legal.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
It's not. It's not illegal. They said no dogs on
the beach. I think it depends where you go. I
think it depends. I think people in Manhattan beach it's
not legal on the beach and man like stealing the mailbox,
it will they will come and cite you. You know.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
I think the dogs on the beach is kind of
a victimless crime unless the dog does something and too,
cause are you picking the poop up victim?
Speaker 3 (03:13):
No?
Speaker 1 (03:13):
Well, yeah, of course you're always picking the po everybody does.
You're always poking it up.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
Sometimes you roll past Mike and still on the ground. No,
I could see.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
I can see Harmon doing that saying nobody saw. I'm
just I'm just walking, man, It's not just I'm just walking.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
Harmon's been known to use many a bag of his
own to take care of lawns for the neighborhood.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
I've never heard someone go third person to brag about
how they pick up their dog's poop. Harmon doesn't, you know,
Harmon doesn't. Then I pick up even when it's loose.
I pick up the loose with my head. Loose fumble.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
Right. Ah, you catch your significant other picking them up
bare handed? Oh?
Speaker 1 (03:56):
If you, if you, if you put your hand on
me right after it is, I think, yeah, gotta, I
want to see you, you know, put just stick your
hand in some lie so just to make sure it's
really cool, it's really clean all many times.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
If you washed your hands today, fourteen on the sticky band.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
It's there, just gonna stick my my cast and they're
gonna all kinds of.
Speaker 3 (04:20):
Change, just say it. It was flaunting, you know, rule breaking.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
Two players now from Bowl season that we have to
break down their NFL future. We'll get to skattaboo in
a second. The first one's Jalen Milroe, who announced today
he's headed.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
To the NFL.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
And this is a stunning move to me because Jalen
Milro needed to transfer not get to the NFL. I
can't believe he wants to go to the NFL off
of that game against Michigan where he played that poorly.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
I honestly, I'm not lying.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
I thought in the second half, I said, he's he's
injured somehow, and for some reason Alabama still got him.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
He was playing.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
I've never seen him play that badly, but I thought,
I said, he got hit in the first half something,
and he is not right, and I don't know why
he's in the game because he was. That's not the
Jayalen Miller I've seen over the last couple of years.
And then you saw the video today that broke that. Hey,
he was potentially tipping the plays where he was moving
with his foot one way and it was a pass
and then when his feet were equal it was a run.
(05:22):
Like every run play was that way, every pass play
he had his foot back, and I'm like, oh my god, Like,
I can't believe that he is going to the NFL.
I thought for sure he would transfer, be he would
get a lot of money going someplace else or quarterback
needy school to get him. And Alabama you could see
how frustrated they were with him in the Bowl game
(05:43):
against Michigan. I mean, you got seventeen year old kids,
got come on, man, get me the ball. You can't
get me the Why can't you get me the ball?
He looked absolutely terrible. So now is millerll gonna be
anything more than a late second early third round pick?
Is he ever gonna get the full support of a
team saying, hey, you're gonna you're gonna be our unquestioned starter.
Like I think he jumped to the NFL because he saw, well,
(06:06):
I don't want to transfer, which I don't know why.
He would have got a lot of money in NIL,
but I think he saw that I might not win
the job next year, So I'm jumping to the NFL
because of that. And I'll tell you what anybody that's
ever jumped to the end, that's happened a few times
where a talented quarterback has jumped to the NFL because
they thought if I go back, I might not win
the job. The team wants to move on because I
haven't been what.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
They need me to be.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
It never works out. And I mean he's been the
biggest loser of all of Bowl season has been Jaylen Milroe.
And I don't know how he's going to the NFL
off of that game and thinking, yes, I'm going to
be part of somebody's future. I really don't you if
he came back one more year, transferred someplace, pulled a
Dylan Gabriel all of a sudden, Hey, you're talking about
(06:47):
a guy that could be going in the top ten
of the draft next year because he is talented enough.
You just got to show it. Man, you can't go
to the NFL off that game.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
Yeah, I guess the question becomes Austin mac ty Simpson.
All right, those are the guys that are on depth
chart moving forward, and then whatever happens portal chaos for
Kaylin de Born and company. To their credit, I mean,
Michigan's defense came out with they were flying around like
it was the Ohow State game again. Right, So that
was two straight games, and maybe the jumping point off
(07:17):
was the throttling of Northwestern that Michigan had done. Either way,
Jalen Milroe under duress quite a bit, and I get
it finger pointing. We can go to the Zuppruder film
on tipping, et cetera. I got to imagine you went
through the evaluation process and we talked with Pete Futech
a little bit earlier in the show. You know, we're
(07:39):
talking about those valuations and pro prospects of people that
still really like him a lot to where you said,
all right, I'm not going to go back to college
for another year, because there is still some semblance of
even with degrees and everything else, you know, you still
have to be enrolled in college. And maybe he was
just done with it.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
He's got two degrees, he's what, He's got his master's
degree in everything you want from a college kid.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
But saying all right, I'm gonna go get another masters
or I'll.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
Why not, No, I'm gonna go get paid six million
dollars in an i OL money, they'll play someplace else.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
But if you've gotten the draft evaluation, and this is
where it gets into that that fun part of the
silly season of it all of what a team should do,
which is how I always do my my mock your
draft by one rounder that that I put out of.
All right, here's what they should do. But we all
know that what you should and what you really do
(08:30):
are two different things. Bears didn't draft Jail and Carter.
Bears drafted Rome and doudn't say like all of that, uh,
the things that probably you could have gone down the
other path to lead you to more short term success.
So we know that even though Sanders and Ward are
right now the only two quarterbacks that most people give
(08:50):
their stamp of approval, you know, folks who aren't actually
picking in a draft room, that there will be two
or three other quarterbacks still selected back. They're not going
to be overdrafted. And and I but at this point,
have you put enough on tape to where you're not
going to change anybody's I don't know the other way you've.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
Seen You've seen two games against Michigan, one with a
great defense where he struggled, and this where everybody opted out.
Like this was not Hey, Michigan's got both their defensive
Lineman's gonna be top ten picks. Will Johnson's playing. No,
they've all opted out. These are all guys just getting
time for the first time. Hey, look a wow. Unbelievable.
And they were still causing all kinds of problems for him.
(09:32):
And again, when I say Milroe was tipping place, this
is not Connor Stallion's with the binoculars. No, this was
just how he had his feet set was how he
was how he was tipping the place, which which honestly,
when I heard that story, you want a great story. Uh,
this is a long time I forget who told me
this story, but it was somebody who played on the Raiders.
(09:52):
This is a long time ago because I'm going back
to the Dan Fouts era of the Chargers. Okay, so
the Raiders and the Chargers early eighties, they figured out
that Dan Fouts was tipping when it was going to
be a pass play and when it was going to
be a rushing play. Right, dan Fouts one of the
great passers of all time in the NFL. YEP when
(10:13):
he would line up from center with his left foot
back because he wanted to get into his drop back
faster because you know, Dan Fouts wasn't the quickest of guys,
and his footwork was terrible. He would take like nine
small steps back to throw the foot, but he still
was great. When they saw that, the Raiders knew it
was a pass when he would line up with his
feet even they knew it was a run, which is
the same thing what Milroe was doing. His left foot
(10:34):
was back so we could get and he's in the gun.
Which doesn't make any sense, but whatever, So I remember
that story. One of the right told me this, and
it goes something like this, where the Raiders knew it
and when they were when they were figuring it out,
they kept pointing to a Chargers offensive lineman saying that, oh, look,
how so and so is pass pass past pass right?
(10:56):
They would say pass before or run or run. Meanwhile,
it was Fouts's leg. They would point to this Charger
lineman who they said was giving it away. And and
you know, they were able to keep it going for
a while until the Chargers figured it out. And one
of the guys told me, I forget was like somehow
was when it got so bad. They felt so bad
for this guy because like the Chargers would sit with
him after practice and go over his stance.
Speaker 3 (11:18):
What are you doing?
Speaker 1 (11:19):
Why are you tipping this off? What do you I'm
doing the same thing all the time. I forget who
the lineman was, but they would point him and say
it was, well they worked with them at practice. Okay,
you can't give these plays away. I don't know what
I'd doing. And then they finally, oh, it was Dan
Fouts was doing it. And then okay, Dan, you can't
you know, do that with your with your footback, And
that's what it was giving it away. I mean, that's
what I think of when I saw Milroe, and I'm like,
(11:40):
when I see this, I'm like, dude, if these are
the habits you're into right now? Man, I mean, you
want to get to the NFL where you are gonna
be the solution right now? Maybe you're not gonna be
taking this high shod door Sanders, who's gonna get two
years plus to figure out how to be a starting
quarterback in the NFL. Same thing with cam Ward. When
you're taking in the second round, you're kind of the
curiosity and maybe you get a chance, maybe you don't.
Speaker 3 (12:03):
Do you ever get a full chance?
Speaker 2 (12:05):
No?
Speaker 3 (12:06):
And if there's a coaching change, do you get a chance.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
No.
Speaker 3 (12:09):
They're not gonna come and say, oh.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
Mill Rose the guy you want to go to the
NFL when your stock is at the highest, and his
stock is not at the highest.
Speaker 3 (12:16):
But he's I've seen him play a lot. I'm watching
him a lot the last couple of years. He's a
terrific But that's why you gotta come off.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
You gotta go. You gotta go when you're ready. And
sometimes you're ready when you're a junior, don't come back
for your senior year, Matt Lioner. Sometimes you're not ready
and you need to come back one more year because
what you've built up is not going to be there.
If he went somewhere else, whether it was USC or
something so some other school and he went lit it
up next year, Okay, he's coming out because it's not
a great class. Okay, Hey, guess what you're You're a
(12:45):
top ten player. We've seen you put up all kinds
of numbers, play really well, do the things he want
you to do.
Speaker 3 (12:50):
Do you really want to go and you're gonna be
a late second round pick. I get it.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
I get that you you didn't know your future where
it is, but you could have made more money going.
Say if Quinn Viewers is getting six million dollars supposedly
to leave Texas if he wanted to, Jayalen Norro is
going to get six million dollars from anybody. Anybody would
give him six million.
Speaker 3 (13:07):
To get that. It's all just comes back to the
until I get to sit down with Jalen Milroe to
ask these questions. Try it. We're trying to read his mind.
Of where he's at in the process, might just be
done with college football. Then don't forget Alabama did have
fifteen guys up out of that game as well, so
several offensive linemen, four wide receivers, So it's not like
(13:29):
you were dealing with a full deck there. But all
that to say, but.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
How could if if your second team, if the team
you put out there against a Michigan team that couldn't
score at all, could do anything? How playoff worthy were they?
If you look at the end, think about a.
Speaker 3 (13:47):
Whole other thing. And that was my little side, you know,
wave to Herb Street and all the apologists that got
all incensed after the early round blowouts of watch how
things have kind of played out right and people make
their choices. And you know, I had they gotten into
the playoffs, maybe maybe one or two guys, maybe five
(14:07):
guys changed their mind, but all all in, you know
you got you can't go in after guys get boat raced.
Because I didn't hear a lot of the SEC folks going, well,
you know, Tennessee should have never been selected. No, Suddenly
it was selective based on who your conference affiliation was,
for your network as to how loud you got about
(14:28):
the inequhenies of this playoff. But but for for Milroe, Yeah,
I'm sure there's a million pieces to the decision. Part
of it might just be I've already done two degrees.
I'm done. I'm done with the college life.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
Look, I could take like a couple of classes, go
to club men, and then just yeah, I'm fine, don't
worry about it.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
I'm good. But for that physical challenge, that is a
I am not a fan of that decision.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
But ntill he's a Jet, the greatest second round picks
since Christian Hackenberg, it'll be the.
Speaker 3 (15:02):
Gway're still hitting people on the side.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
Coming coming up next, what about Camscataboo? What about his
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hour from now. Skettaboo skataboo. I am gonna be five yeah,
before I tell you, before I give you the reality
for for cam'sctataboo.
Speaker 3 (16:48):
Let me say I am gonna miss saying skataboo, skataboo.
Share not he's going to the NFL.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
Yeah, but I mean, but like now like I mean,
I like that's yeah, I like to say it, scataboo, stataboo.
But he's gonna be a legend for years to come. Scataboo, scataboo.
Will you do the fandango?
Speaker 3 (17:04):
Do you get any kind of monies for that one?
Berman inevitably uses it after the.
Speaker 4 (17:09):
First and DJ, much much like Cab Callaway singing many
of the mood set get get it.
Speaker 3 (17:22):
If you can get Berman to do that once, I mean,
that's the walk off for him. You still have his email, right, Uh? Yeah,
it's it's it's at at uh at. It's boomer a
well dot com, sixty four dot com When do we
combado our sixty four? It nicely done? It's when it's
at boomer dot com. That's what DJ. He's part of
(17:43):
one of the greatest photos ever looked up about. I'm
sure he does. No. I remember when he first got
on Twitter. He said, Hey, ESPN wants me to try Twitter, Like.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
Oh, people say that, Yeah, my company has said you
still have on social media. He got a beeper, he's
got a page. What's that phone number? I can't tell.
I can't tell what that number is. Like in thirty
Rock when uh, what's his name? Was the Dean Winners
was the only pager salesman left in New York. So
he's making a lot of money. He's the only one left.
There's nobody else. He's making money. People are still getting pagers.
(18:18):
I had one for a while. I did pain in
the ass. That was yeah, because then he had to
find a phone.
Speaker 3 (18:22):
It's not like you could say I had one of
the earlier text ones. But they were so tiny, like
unless you were pulling this before they started selling these
and bilking you with the stylus and so you had
to find a pencil that was thinning of fat. Yeah yeah, yeah,
oh yeah, no, that was yeah. People probably thought you
had some good drugs on your mind. I was probably
(18:45):
some of the messages I would have said.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
I was so glad when that when that went by
the way, I was so glad when PDAs went by
the way. So I'm not taking out a stylists and
writing stuff. Come on, yeah, you bean people games, your
PDA right up against somebody else PDA and press the
game and he would give somebody the game.
Speaker 3 (19:02):
I will say that was kind of cool. Going back
and back in time, we're going back to two thousand
and four. Just you remember, though, I carried that thing
for for years when I worked at Yahoo, and the
only time that it actually came into practical service was
the unfortunate nine to eleven morning. Like otherwise, it was
I'm carrying this thing, and I would get yelled at
because they wanted proof that you were actually carrying it
(19:24):
with you, so you were, you know, tethered to them
twenty four to seven. Sure, so like all these times
you're going to ball games or whatever, it's like, I'm
carrying this extra crap and then you boom. So now,
speaking of scataboo, scataboo, scataboo, scataboo, you're so so down
on dude the fact, No, no, no, I'm not down on him.
You hate him, nutstof absolutely hate that.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
I'm being realistic about the pro prospects of cam skataboo.
Like most people got to see him for the first
time yesterday right Arizona with the bye How much did
you watch?
Speaker 3 (19:54):
Here?
Speaker 1 (19:54):
They are and he was phenomenal. Cam Scataboo is a
phenomenal college football player. He is a fantastic college football player.
He should have probably been in New York for the
Heisman ceremony. He is a phenomenal college football player. You
saw everything on display yesterday. He wouldn't go down. He
was so hard to tackle. He made all the clutch plays.
He even threw a touchdown. He's comfortable in the spotlight.
(20:16):
I love the fact that he likes being a star.
He is a terrific college football player. And I know
that when you see a guy play a game like that,
you want to give him more plaudits than he probably
should get when it talks about the NFL, because I
saw all kinds of people, Oh yeah, this guy could
be Mike Alstadt, he could be Peyton Hillis he could.
Speaker 3 (20:34):
What about MJ d or the muscle Hams.
Speaker 1 (20:36):
Cam Scataboo is not going to be that because he
is not big and he is not fast.
Speaker 3 (20:41):
He is tough. He never skips leg day. You know
that he.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
All right, But forget about the tush push and I go.
I learned this in high school. You can be big,
I'm sorry. You can be slow if you're big, and
you can be short if you're fast. But you can't
be sure and slow.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
Right. That was that combination doesn't work. That hurt me.
I knew I wasn't great hands, those panda hands. I mean,
my my best thing was trying to get into Brown academically.
I want to talk to you about Gilroy.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
That's great, John, I'm glad you got it, but I
want to talk to you about Gilroy.
Speaker 3 (21:16):
Tell me who wins the game. I don't want your life,
so I get it. I get it, but you have
it a moment, don't.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
Is that when you get to the NFL. Oh, he
doesn't go down? That that skill translates. No running backs
go down in the NFL, okay, and they get tackled.
This is college okay, Because in the NFL it's linebackers,
defensive linemen who don't feed their families if they miss tackles.
It's a little bit different than a kid who say, hey,
this is gonna be the last time I get to
(21:50):
play football. Ever I miss a tackle. Huh. It's the NFL,
and I get that you want to project him as
being somebody who's going to be really, really a superstar.
He's not because he needs to be fast. You can't
give him the ball in the sweep he's gonna get
he's gonna get smushed. You can't give the ball between
the tackles all the time. He's not big enough. He's
a tweener. Now, this doesn't mean he's not gonna play
(22:10):
in the NFL, because I can see him being a
full back type, special team's crowd favorite who sells jerseys
right I could.
Speaker 3 (22:20):
I could see people buying.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
A Scataboo forty nine ers jersey and saying, oh, it's
gotta we got Scataboo's guy.
Speaker 3 (22:26):
I see some of those in Week eighteen, and maybe
the NFL sidelines give me scatabo like.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
I can see him having an NF I'm not saying
he's not gonna make it, but all of a sudden,
all this push from from pundits yesterday, of all, he
could be a big thunder and lightning part of No,
you can't give the ball fifteen times a game. I
mean again, the combination of not being big and not
being fast doesn't work in the end. It just doesn't.
There's no running backs in the NFL that are that
(22:51):
aren't six ' three, that are slow, that make it.
There's there's just not right. I saw the big comp
for him was him and Legarrett Blunt. Right, well, Lagarrett
Plint was a little bit. Bro is a little bit faster, right,
a little bit you got you got it. You have
to be that way, and Skataboo isn't. And it's it's
hard because he's such a great player and you saw
him do such great things and you know, bleeding on
(23:12):
the field, throwing up all the time. He's a great story.
But when it comes to the NFL, like that's kind
of what his future is. He'll be like a full back,
special teamer, fan favorite that that's kind of what that's
kind of what Cam Skataboo's future is.
Speaker 3 (23:26):
Yeah, but then you can have a nice long career
that way. I mean, yes, Projecting any running back to
start them, I think we're just enamored with the idea
of what the NFL is pivoting back to to a degree.
So any running back with some success, maybe we're we're
lifting them up a little bit like quarterbacks, Like we're
(23:47):
just having the conversation with Jalen Milroe in what actually
happens in the draft. And we do this with the
NFL Draft year after year of all right, we like
these running backs, but realistically, how many teams are going
to take a running back early? Because that's the other
thing that plays into it is we've had a lot
of college backs that then go in the third, fourth round.
(24:07):
I mean, look at a lot of the would be
stars and guys that are shining in the NFL now
or no necessarily first or second round picks. You got
a lot of third day guys, undrafted guys that you
get him into the right situation and they'll be able
to star. And for Skataboo, yeah, it's the twenty four
to forty eight hour news cycle of coming off of
this big performance. Right whereas you look at genty had
(24:31):
himself a pretty good game and if you actually watch
the entirety of it, a lot of tough yards that
he was able to gain. Right, he doesn't go down
on first content too. Right, you just you get powerhouse
through and you know, you chuckle, but you know the
David Montgomery run because he's your nemicis not my nemesis,
(24:53):
but you know a guy that can get to the
second level and make plays, but his money has been
made in between the tack and brushing off first contact
something scatter who should be able to do at the
next level five to eleven, two fifteen, which is the
you know, comps to some of the heroes out there.
Maybe they've got a little bit of speed. I mean
(25:15):
lagerret blood was an extra thirty pounds heavier. Yeah, so
that's a lot of extra squads. Yeah, and a lot
of extra work in the weight room. But doesn't mean
it can't translate to talk about the full back position
again with the run game rolling and the fact that
he is adept as a pass receiver that that helps
(25:35):
push things forward that let's face it, we want to
sell jerseys. Yeah, of course, it's worked for years Tebow.
That's fine.
Speaker 1 (25:43):
Now let's get to the bigger story when it comes
to yesterday and the Arizona State Texas game, because I
can tell you exactly why the targeting flag was not
thrown on Texas on a play that should have given
the game to Arizonas.
Speaker 3 (25:58):
Was it because the fix was inack?
Speaker 1 (26:00):
No and no, and uh, well that'd be the Well
it wasn't mahomes, So now you know what. Oh sorry,
because everybody's missing the conversation, say, oh, how do you
not see that? I don't know what targeting is. That's
been the big thing. I don't know what to targeting.
Speaker 3 (26:13):
This is not.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
I don't know if it's a catch like it was
in the NFL. Trust me, we still have problems with
what to catch. I will tell you that because I'm
going to tell you exactly why this flag wasn't thrown.
You're gonna go, oh, I get it. Every official knows
what targeting is.
Speaker 3 (26:30):
They all know.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
It's not like they show up to the game for
the first time and go, hey, uncle Joe, can you
tell me if that's targeting?
Speaker 3 (26:35):
I don't know. He looked like he led with his
I can't tell either. Know.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
They all know what targeting is. Every officiating crew in NFL,
college football, NBA, major League baseball, they.
Speaker 3 (26:46):
All have their own slant on the rules. They some
are a little bit more lax, some call more stringent.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
Jerome Boger like to call more string games and get
on television all the time.
Speaker 3 (27:02):
But they all know what the rules are. They all
know the rules, They all know what targets plenty of
sites across the world NFL Reffing Stats, NCAA. What the
crews there are points of emphasis and where you're maybe
gonna get some home cooking and not.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
Yeah, they all there. Now, why was this not called?
If you remember in the third quarter during Arizona State's comeback,
they got a big interception and no targeting was called
when easily targeting should have been called. You add the
Arizona State defender leave his feet, lead with his head
and put his arm out on the Texas wide receiver
(27:40):
Warriors attached. Just because there was no helmet to helmet contact,
that wasn't called. But I'm sorry, that's targeting. Leaving your feet,
leading with your helmet leading and putting your arm out
having contact with a defenseless receiver. That's targeting. But they
missed the call, right or they didn't they maybe that's
not quite target but whatever, they know that that was
a call that after Hey, that should have been targeting
(28:03):
right in Arizona stall right, Yeah, but that should have
been targeting. And whether the officiating crew knew it or
not at the time, whether they missed it as time
went on, Hey, that was a big play and that
was a targeting call we didn't make and we let
the play stand. Right, Arizona State got the interception, they
went down and scored tie the game. That was a
(28:24):
big play. So now we get to the play at
the end that was not called when and I'm not
saying it wasn't targeting. This is targeting by the book.
This is defenseless receiver led with your helmet. It's targeting.
It should have been Arizona State's ball the thirty five
yard line and there are a couple of plays away
from kicking a field goal to win the game. But
you know, the officiating crew said, okay, we didn't call
(28:46):
it before. We let the play stand. It was a
big play. We gave it to Arizona State. We got
to let this one stand too, and let the players
decided on the field. Now we're gonna get blamed. They're
gonna say, oh, how do you not throw the flag?
But we let it go for Texas even though this
is more egregious. We're gonna let this go too and
let the players win it on the field because if
we do this, we're giving the game to Arizona State.
Speaker 3 (29:08):
And if you think officials don't think about stuff, like that.
Of course they do.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
And whether it was in the replay view of it,
whether it was on the field, they weren't going to
make that call because they had let that one go
with Texas earlier, and it was a huge It was
a huge momentum swing play, this huge amaendum swing play too.
But what this did was this kept the game. Even Okay,
you're gonna win. You gotta win. Someone's gotta win the game.
(29:31):
We're not gonna give this penalty and give it to
you and have you kick a field goal win the game.
Now you can disagree with it, you can say it's
not right because it was. It was targeting. Yes, what
I'm doing is explaining exactly why the targeting wasn't called.
So when you see it from that perspective, that's why
this wasn't Officials didn't know what targeting was. No, they
had let it go for Texas when they probably should
(29:53):
have called it. Maybe they thought, ah, we really need
to do that. Okay, came up here, they even went
and looked at it and said, no, no penalty for
target Okay, okay, so you're gonna go win it on
the field. I know there's a lot of complaints it
became a different game. Arizona State still had chances to win. Right,
Texas still had chances to win. Arizona State had chances
to win. This is a play it should have been called.
But I'm telling you why it wasn't. And it was.
(30:15):
It was because of the call they missed before and
how they how they feel about targeting, but they missed
that call before, so they didn't feel they could make
that call there.
Speaker 3 (30:23):
Yeah, I think it comes down in the big twelve,
you know, asking a lot of questions and doing their
politicizing of it, you know, to say, hey, we need
to get our hands around this, and and all For me,
it becomes the did they do it for the sake
of consistency or was it a makeup? Because the makeup
(30:44):
I don't like. I don't like the We missed one,
so we missed the other. So if it's just consistent,
don't mind to make up.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
In that perspective where hey, this is a really big play,
we let it stand. Here's another really big play for
the other team. We let it stand because if they.
Speaker 3 (30:59):
If they, but now we've made two errors. Let's say
they two wrongs don't make a right smith.
Speaker 1 (31:03):
Let's say they call that, they called they call the
the targeting on on on Arizona State. That's not a turnover.
Maybe Arizona State's not even in the game at that point.
Maybe Texas goes down and scores, you don't know. But
the fact that they let that play stand, that was
a huge advantage of Arizona.
Speaker 3 (31:20):
We get into the letter and spirit of the law.
You know, we were watching the Notre Dame game earlier, uh,
and certainly in the Twitter verse, and folks wanted to
cite the rule. And look, it's like you say, everybody,
every official knows the rules rules of targeting. I understand
how it works for kickers and punters, the plant leg
versus the kicking leg and maybe extended a little bit longer,
(31:43):
uh to potentially get some contact. But we saw the
Notre Dame player run through the guy back to back
plays pretty egregiously right, not ops a daisy. You know,
there was a little contact as I went by, No, no, no,
he ran through his leg and spun them around on one.
Maybe a little bit of acting, but still seem like
(32:03):
significant content contacts, So letter versus spirit of the law. Likewise,
when you get into these kind of situations, especially late games.
Right when we're talking about what are you gonna call
in terms of defensive holding and pass interference and in
this case, when we're talking about targeting, which is always
a rule that is rankled the feathers of folks. Right,
(32:25):
how many times do we see it in the NFL?
You don't get a penalty on a running back, but
then they lose essentially a game check for lowing the
helmet to initiate Contact's all right, well, you didn't get
the fifteen yards on the field, We let it go
and everybody plays on. But by the way, you're fifty
thousand dollars lighter. We saw that with Jalen Warren a
few weeks back, like that was more than his game check. Yeah,
(32:48):
you played for free that thing basically, and then you
owe me the first quarter of next week. Right, you
had a good game all of these things and you
weren't penalized. But here here's the pink envelope that takes
away essentially a full week's work. So the same thing
here is like if you if you're saying that by
letter of the law, the first one wasn't a penalty,
because you can make that argument, right, no helpt involved.
(33:11):
Letter of the law, it's not, but the spirit of
the rule was, Yes, that's targeting. And then you do
a makeup like that. That's where we get down a
really bad like which has always been the case, and
it's human nature. It's like, we'll get you on the
next one, right, I didn't have cash to tip yet,
I'll get you out of the next one. Does anybody
really get you back for the tip they missed? Probably not.
(33:31):
I'll see on the way back. Don't worry about I
got you. I got you. Right, you go into a score,
someone's asking you for money, Yeah, yeah, I get you
on the way.
Speaker 1 (33:38):
Got the other exit and pretend and pretend you're on
your phone. Yeah, hey, sorry, I got it.
Speaker 3 (33:42):
Yeah, Hey, how's a go? I make goods.
Speaker 1 (33:44):
So you want to know why they didn't call it.
That's why they didn't call it. That's the right thing,
the right reason why they didn't call it, not.
Speaker 3 (33:49):
Because they don't understand.
Speaker 1 (33:50):
One of the cover that now fixed was in you
want a hot take. We got a great hot take
involving a quarterback who not only didn't make Pro Bowl today,
he may never make one again.
Speaker 3 (34:03):
That's next Jason to Mike.
Speaker 2 (34:05):
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Speaker 3 (34:14):
Scataboo, scataboo, Gataboo, gattaboo. You're so angry at him, I
feel like I need to buy a Jets jersey for him. Yeah,
did he hurt you? Were you family? I'm just saying,
I'm just saying how you're trying to cost this guy
a lot of money. I gotta be Remnton. Okay, he's
better than anything the Jets have had.
Speaker 1 (34:30):
Stop Garrett Wilson, Curtis Martin, ooh since Curtis Martin, hang on,
h Curry, Lamont.
Speaker 3 (34:37):
Jordan's Yeah, well t was done by then, a couple
of years of Chris Ivory.
Speaker 1 (34:42):
Okayble All Powell, Okay, I know you got something there, Frostburgy,
you got something there. The Jason Smith Show with Mike
Carmon Live from the tire Rack dot Com Studios. Now
time for your big hot take of the night.
Speaker 3 (34:53):
Okay, let's go.
Speaker 1 (34:54):
Pro Bowl rosters came out today not making the Pro Bowl,
and he from the Jets also not making the Pro Bowl.
Patrick Mahomes and there's a bit of a shock. Eyebrow raised.
It was the right call because the top three quarterbacks
in the AFC have all played better than Mahomes this year.
(35:15):
They all accounted for at least twelve to fourteen more touchdowns.
Burrow's been better, Josh Allen's been better, and Lamar Jackson's
been better. You're talking about the three guys who are
the more likely going to be the finalist for NFL
MVP right now, along with say Kwon Barkley. But we
can get more into Barkley tomorrow night. But these are
the three best quarterbacks in the game right now, and
they have been phenomenal. That's not the hot take. Patrick
(35:38):
Mahomes is not the same guy. He is a game manager.
He has been a game manager for.
Speaker 3 (35:43):
Two full years.
Speaker 1 (35:44):
I'm not going on like, you know, here's a week
and a half of data, here's a great hot bet. No,
the Chiefs offense is different than it was. It's not
up and down the field anymore.
Speaker 3 (35:54):
This is what you have.
Speaker 1 (35:55):
You have more of a Patriots way of sustaining winning,
where we're gonna spend money and build a really good defense.
We have a good enough offense and a clutch quarterback
that nobody is better than in the last five or
six minutes of the game. That's how we're gonna win.
That's how the Patriots won, That's how the Chiefs are
winning on the back half of Mahomes' career. That's not
the hot part. The hot part is this, I know
(36:16):
that Mahomes makes a Pro Bowl again. Okay, potential is there.
Speaker 3 (36:20):
You are looking. He's still at thirty nine hundred yards
twenty six and eleven. It's not a bad year. But
you're told he doesn't have to play Week eighteen. Otherwise
he would have had another four thousand yard season. All
of that the same. But it's not a bad season.
Speaker 1 (36:32):
It's just not It's just not the same dynamic quarterback
that he was. He's not the guy that made us
gape with what he was able to do where he's
able to throw the football all the different things. Not
because all of a sudden Patrick Mahomes stinks, but because
the Chiefs have evolved and maybe without some of the weapons,
teams have figured out a way to stop them until
the Chiefs get a little bit more creative at winning time.
(36:55):
But I don't know that he makes it because you
have all three quarterbacks who are better than Mahome right
now that are all younger than he is by a
year or two, and they're much more dynamic. Their teams
are gonna rely on them to do more every single year.
And then you have the young quarterbacks coming up behind him,
Guys like CJ. Stroud, who had a down year this year,
but you saw the rookie year he had, he was phenomenal.
(37:16):
Bo Nix has thrown twenty five touchdowns his rookie year. Okay,
Justin Herbert is having the same kind of year as Mahomes,
but he's twenty two touchdowns and three picks all year long.
Like these are the guys who are gonna have more
dynamic years as they go on. I know that Mahomes
hasn't made his last Pro Bowl as far as being
one of the top three quarterbacks in the AFC being
named there, because the three guys ahead of them are
(37:39):
gonna be ahead of them for a little while, and
the guys behind him are just gonna get better. And
if this is the Chiefs offense, if this is the
way the Chiefs are gonna play, and you can't argue
if they go and win the Super Bowl, this is
how we're gonna continue to play it. This is how
we do it. We'll keep it close for three quarters.
You'll think you're gonna win. We're gonna make plays at
the end of the fourth quarter. This may be this
may be the last that this may be a situation
(38:00):
where Mahomes has made his last Pro Bowl. One of
the top three quarterbacks in the AFC.
Speaker 3 (38:04):
Yeah, and you might decide to if you're the Chiefs,
that you need more firepower. And certainly Xavier Worthy is
that guy. You've gone the year without Rashi Rice, So
in theory you were gonna have more dynamism to your offense.
And then you know, best laid plans right to where
(38:24):
you've got to go and pick guys up off the street.
Pacheco gets hurt, so you've got to shuffle out the
running back room. And it's been fine and he's eventually
come back, but you missed a chunk of time with him.
So all of that to say, we don't know, like
I was giving you the Roy Kent speech, we don't
know what. We're not in the locker room with them,
we're not. But this is the way they've played it.
(38:46):
Travis Kelcey is another year Older had another good year,
but even he after the game against Cleveland was like
it might have been the last game I play here,
you know kind of thing, and realizing, you know, the
sand in the hourglass is more empty than full on
his run, So you know what you're doing to change
out your offense effects how you're playing defense has been
(39:09):
fantastic these last couple of years and carried the day
a number of times. Like I said, thirty nine, twenty
six and eleven is not a terrible season, but it's
not to the standards and the expectations that you have
for these other guys that are throwing four hundred and three,
and it's like Joe Burrow's defense isn't getting any better overnight.
Speaker 1 (39:27):
And it's not what it's not what Mahomes has done
throughout his career. He's been thirty five and up every
single year. It was for years, and it was a
team that you got down fourteen nothing and the game
was over because you couldn't you couldn't keep up with
their firepower.
Speaker 3 (39:39):
It's not it's not on the fact that the refs
were on parol. Yeah, well only for the fourth quarter.
What did they get for the holidays? Holiday holidays? Do
you think what was all of makeouts?
Speaker 1 (39:47):
I actually saw I actually saw a video of Mahomes
last week, right before the game, actually giving a Christmas
card to a referee.
Speaker 3 (39:53):
Yeah, and the referee open up. There's a bunch of
bills in it is the referee naked? Look at that nuts? Wow?
Did they go into the over the tree room where
they had stockings hung? Hey? Look at Mahomes got me?
Hey there's that Starbucks gift card there? Wait?
Speaker 1 (40:08):
These are all from are you the secret Santa?
Speaker 3 (40:13):
Ya?
Speaker 5 (40:13):
But don't tell anybody who I am. Well, I don't
know who you are. No, I know you know, but
it's okay. Here, here's your here's your present for the year.
Speaker 3 (40:19):
It's okay.
Speaker 5 (40:21):
Make sure that Mato is able to catch a passing
the end zone in the final couple of minutes.
Speaker 3 (40:25):
Okay, I know, I.
Speaker 5 (40:26):
Don't want to say his name, but you know my
auto you know eighty seven. Make sure he catches that. Okay,
you know, because the coach likes his nuggies. Once maybe
after the game. I don't remember when I throwed a him.
Throw you throw that flag?
Speaker 3 (40:40):
Who is that? That? That's my Jim Harbor impression. That was.
That was Patrick Mahomes after some curtains of sick.
Speaker 2 (40:48):
You know.
Speaker 3 (40:50):
With umble it's not terrible Sportsneger's half to Cambay half.
I don't know why. Boy, we must have really played
that a lot.
Speaker 1 (41:03):
Alex hasn't memorized who is my daddy and what does
he do?
Speaker 3 (41:06):
Okay, Ben Mallick coming up next. Jason, I'm like this
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Congrats to Note tra Dame into the Final four. I'm
torn Note Tredame. It's I walked out. Pam said to me,
this is great. What you see these teams in the
final four. They gotta wear Notre Dame, Ohio State, Penn State.
How do you think that makes me feel? I said,
I'm going to work. I'll see when I got home.
And then you are hook them horns, hook them? How
(01:19):
did that makes me feel? I'm like, you have the
national championship from last year. It's fine, that was last year.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
It's fine. You're okay. You got Bryce Underwood coming in,
you just beat Alabama, beat Alabama, and you have the
quarterbacks showing up. Yeah, you're all signs point to great
things next year. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
The eyes of Just think of Keith Jackson saying, oh,
the eyes of Texas playing upon us as we're here Lance,
Mcaleney and smu In here to play the Texas Longhorns.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
See, that's what really still has the romanticism of the
Rose Bowl for me, all these years later, I go
back and watch old clips of introductions by Jackson.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
Well, let me tell you about major Apple White holding
off Christims for that starting job with Texas.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
Because somebody Texas got the football. Well, because we had
all the you know, lead up to the game and on,
and once again the dog was in the spotlight. You're
a dog? No, no, no, what's his faces? Herbshreets dog? Yeah?
I saw they showed Ben again. Yeah, well Ben's no
(02:26):
longer with Oh wait wait wait I thought that was
that's a new dog. It's a new dog. He's got
another dog with him. It looks just like Ben. But
that's the thing is he's got this dog and he
is like, well, you know, we saw the snow whatever,
and now he's letting him loose on the beach.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
And I'm like, dog, that's that's illegal. It's illegal on
the beaches. Let he's flaunting it. I let Benny loose
on the beach and not legal. That's kind of legal.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
It's not. It's not illegal. They said no dogs on
the beach. I think it depends where you go. I
think it depends. I think people in Manhattan beach it's
not legal on the beach and man like stealing the mailbox,
it will they will come and cite you. You know.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
I think the dogs on the beach is kind of
a victimless crime unless the dog does something and too,
cause are you picking the poop up victim?
Speaker 3 (03:13):
No?
Speaker 1 (03:13):
Well, yeah, of course you're always picking the po everybody does.
You're always poking it up.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
Sometimes you roll past Mike and still on the ground. No,
I could see.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
I can see Harmon doing that saying nobody saw. I'm
just I'm just walking, man, It's not just I'm just walking.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
Harmon's been known to use many a bag of his
own to take care of lawns for the neighborhood.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
I've never heard someone go third person to brag about
how they pick up their dog's poop. Harmon doesn't, you know,
Harmon doesn't. Then I pick up even when it's loose.
I pick up the loose with my head. Loose fumble.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
Right. Ah, you catch your significant other picking them up
bare handed? Oh?
Speaker 1 (03:56):
If you, if you, if you put your hand on
me right after it is, I think, yeah, gotta, I
want to see you, you know, put just stick your
hand in some lie so just to make sure it's
really cool, it's really clean all many times.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
If you washed your hands today, fourteen on the sticky band.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
It's there, just gonna stick my my cast and they're
gonna all kinds of.
Speaker 3 (04:20):
Change, just say it. It was flaunting, you know, rule breaking.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
Two players now from Bowl season that we have to
break down their NFL future. We'll get to skattaboo in
a second. The first one's Jalen Milroe, who announced today
he's headed.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
To the NFL.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
And this is a stunning move to me because Jalen
Milro needed to transfer not get to the NFL. I
can't believe he wants to go to the NFL off
of that game against Michigan where he played that poorly.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
I honestly, I'm not lying.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
I thought in the second half, I said, he's he's
injured somehow, and for some reason Alabama still got him.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
He was playing.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
I've never seen him play that badly, but I thought,
I said, he got hit in the first half something,
and he is not right, and I don't know why
he's in the game because he was. That's not the
Jayalen Miller I've seen over the last couple of years.
And then you saw the video today that broke that. Hey,
he was potentially tipping the plays where he was moving
with his foot one way and it was a pass
and then when his feet were equal it was a run.
(05:22):
Like every run play was that way, every pass play
he had his foot back, and I'm like, oh my god, Like,
I can't believe that he is going to the NFL.
I thought for sure he would transfer, be he would
get a lot of money going someplace else or quarterback
needy school to get him. And Alabama you could see
how frustrated they were with him in the Bowl game
(05:43):
against Michigan. I mean, you got seventeen year old kids,
got come on, man, get me the ball. You can't
get me the Why can't you get me the ball?
He looked absolutely terrible. So now is millerll gonna be
anything more than a late second early third round pick?
Is he ever gonna get the full support of a
team saying, hey, you're gonna you're gonna be our unquestioned starter.
Like I think he jumped to the NFL because he saw, well,
(06:06):
I don't want to transfer, which I don't know why.
He would have got a lot of money in NIL,
but I think he saw that I might not win
the job next year, So I'm jumping to the NFL
because of that. And I'll tell you what anybody that's
ever jumped to the end, that's happened a few times
where a talented quarterback has jumped to the NFL because
they thought if I go back, I might not win
the job. The team wants to move on because I
haven't been what.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
They need me to be.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
It never works out. And I mean he's been the
biggest loser of all of Bowl season has been Jaylen Milroe.
And I don't know how he's going to the NFL
off of that game and thinking, yes, I'm going to
be part of somebody's future. I really don't you if
he came back one more year, transferred someplace, pulled a
Dylan Gabriel all of a sudden, Hey, you're talking about
(06:47):
a guy that could be going in the top ten
of the draft next year because he is talented enough.
You just got to show it. Man, you can't go
to the NFL off that game.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
Yeah, I guess the question becomes Austin mac ty Simpson.
All right, those are the guys that are on depth
chart moving forward, and then whatever happens portal chaos for
Kaylin de Born and company. To their credit, I mean,
Michigan's defense came out with they were flying around like
it was the Ohow State game again. Right, So that
was two straight games, and maybe the jumping point off
(07:17):
was the throttling of Northwestern that Michigan had done. Either way,
Jalen Milroe under duress quite a bit, and I get
it finger pointing. We can go to the Zuppruder film
on tipping, et cetera. I got to imagine you went
through the evaluation process and we talked with Pete Futech
a little bit earlier in the show. You know, we're
(07:39):
talking about those valuations and pro prospects of people that
still really like him a lot to where you said,
all right, I'm not going to go back to college
for another year, because there is still some semblance of
even with degrees and everything else, you know, you still
have to be enrolled in college. And maybe he was
just done with it.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
He's got two degrees, he's what, He's got his master's
degree in everything you want from a college kid.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
But saying all right, I'm gonna go get another masters
or I'll.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
Why not, No, I'm gonna go get paid six million
dollars in an i OL money, they'll play someplace else.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
But if you've gotten the draft evaluation, and this is
where it gets into that that fun part of the
silly season of it all of what a team should do,
which is how I always do my my mock your
draft by one rounder that that I put out of.
All right, here's what they should do. But we all
know that what you should and what you really do
(08:30):
are two different things. Bears didn't draft Jail and Carter.
Bears drafted Rome and doudn't say like all of that, uh,
the things that probably you could have gone down the
other path to lead you to more short term success.
So we know that even though Sanders and Ward are
right now the only two quarterbacks that most people give
(08:50):
their stamp of approval, you know, folks who aren't actually
picking in a draft room, that there will be two
or three other quarterbacks still selected back. They're not going
to be overdrafted. And and I but at this point,
have you put enough on tape to where you're not
going to change anybody's I don't know the other way you've.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
Seen You've seen two games against Michigan, one with a
great defense where he struggled, and this where everybody opted out.
Like this was not Hey, Michigan's got both their defensive
Lineman's gonna be top ten picks. Will Johnson's playing. No,
they've all opted out. These are all guys just getting
time for the first time. Hey, look a wow. Unbelievable.
And they were still causing all kinds of problems for him.
(09:32):
And again, when I say Milroe was tipping place, this
is not Connor Stallion's with the binoculars. No, this was
just how he had his feet set was how he
was how he was tipping the place, which which honestly,
when I heard that story, you want a great story. Uh,
this is a long time I forget who told me
this story, but it was somebody who played on the Raiders.
(09:52):
This is a long time ago because I'm going back
to the Dan Fouts era of the Chargers. Okay, so
the Raiders and the Chargers early eighties, they figured out
that Dan Fouts was tipping when it was going to
be a pass play and when it was going to
be a rushing play. Right, dan Fouts one of the
great passers of all time in the NFL. YEP when
(10:13):
he would line up from center with his left foot
back because he wanted to get into his drop back
faster because you know, Dan Fouts wasn't the quickest of guys,
and his footwork was terrible. He would take like nine
small steps back to throw the foot, but he still
was great. When they saw that, the Raiders knew it
was a pass when he would line up with his
feet even they knew it was a run, which is
the same thing what Milroe was doing. His left foot
(10:34):
was back so we could get and he's in the gun.
Which doesn't make any sense, but whatever, So I remember
that story. One of the right told me this, and
it goes something like this, where the Raiders knew it
and when they were when they were figuring it out,
they kept pointing to a Chargers offensive lineman saying that, oh, look,
how so and so is pass pass past pass right?
(10:56):
They would say pass before or run or run. Meanwhile,
it was Fouts's leg. They would point to this Charger
lineman who they said was giving it away. And and
you know, they were able to keep it going for
a while until the Chargers figured it out. And one
of the guys told me, I forget was like somehow
was when it got so bad. They felt so bad
for this guy because like the Chargers would sit with
him after practice and go over his stance.
Speaker 3 (11:18):
What are you doing?
Speaker 1 (11:19):
Why are you tipping this off? What do you I'm
doing the same thing all the time. I forget who
the lineman was, but they would point him and say
it was, well they worked with them at practice. Okay,
you can't give these plays away. I don't know what
I'd doing. And then they finally, oh, it was Dan
Fouts was doing it. And then okay, Dan, you can't
you know, do that with your with your footback, And
that's what it was giving it away. I mean, that's
what I think of when I saw Milroe, and I'm like,
(11:40):
when I see this, I'm like, dude, if these are
the habits you're into right now? Man, I mean, you
want to get to the NFL where you are gonna
be the solution right now? Maybe you're not gonna be
taking this high shod door Sanders, who's gonna get two
years plus to figure out how to be a starting
quarterback in the NFL. Same thing with cam Ward. When
you're taking in the second round, you're kind of the
curiosity and maybe you get a chance, maybe you don't.
Speaker 3 (12:03):
Do you ever get a full chance?
Speaker 2 (12:05):
No?
Speaker 3 (12:06):
And if there's a coaching change, do you get a chance.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
No.
Speaker 3 (12:09):
They're not gonna come and say, oh.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
Mill Rose the guy you want to go to the
NFL when your stock is at the highest, and his
stock is not at the highest.
Speaker 3 (12:16):
But he's I've seen him play a lot. I'm watching
him a lot the last couple of years. He's a
terrific But that's why you gotta come off.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
You gotta go. You gotta go when you're ready. And
sometimes you're ready when you're a junior, don't come back
for your senior year, Matt Lioner. Sometimes you're not ready
and you need to come back one more year because
what you've built up is not going to be there.
If he went somewhere else, whether it was USC or
something so some other school and he went lit it
up next year, Okay, he's coming out because it's not
a great class. Okay, Hey, guess what you're You're a
(12:45):
top ten player. We've seen you put up all kinds
of numbers, play really well, do the things he want
you to do.
Speaker 3 (12:50):
Do you really want to go and you're gonna be
a late second round pick. I get it.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
I get that you you didn't know your future where
it is, but you could have made more money going.
Say if Quinn Viewers is getting six million dollars supposedly
to leave Texas if he wanted to, Jayalen Norro is
going to get six million dollars from anybody. Anybody would
give him six million.
Speaker 3 (13:07):
To get that. It's all just comes back to the
until I get to sit down with Jalen Milroe to
ask these questions. Try it. We're trying to read his mind.
Of where he's at in the process, might just be
done with college football. Then don't forget Alabama did have
fifteen guys up out of that game as well, so
several offensive linemen, four wide receivers, So it's not like
(13:29):
you were dealing with a full deck there. But all
that to say, but.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
How could if if your second team, if the team
you put out there against a Michigan team that couldn't
score at all, could do anything? How playoff worthy were they?
If you look at the end, think about a.
Speaker 3 (13:47):
Whole other thing. And that was my little side, you know,
wave to Herb Street and all the apologists that got
all incensed after the early round blowouts of watch how
things have kind of played out right and people make
their choices. And you know, I had they gotten into
the playoffs, maybe maybe one or two guys, maybe five
(14:07):
guys changed their mind, but all all in, you know
you got you can't go in after guys get boat raced.
Because I didn't hear a lot of the SEC folks going, well,
you know, Tennessee should have never been selected. No, Suddenly
it was selective based on who your conference affiliation was,
for your network as to how loud you got about
(14:28):
the inequhenies of this playoff. But but for for Milroe, Yeah,
I'm sure there's a million pieces to the decision. Part
of it might just be I've already done two degrees.
I'm done. I'm done with the college life.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
Look, I could take like a couple of classes, go
to club men, and then just yeah, I'm fine, don't
worry about it.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
I'm good. But for that physical challenge, that is a
I am not a fan of that decision.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
But ntill he's a Jet, the greatest second round picks
since Christian Hackenberg, it'll be the.
Speaker 3 (15:02):
Gway're still hitting people on the side.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
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hour from now. Skettaboo skataboo. I am gonna be five yeah,
before I tell you, before I give you the reality
for for cam'sctataboo.
Speaker 3 (16:48):
Let me say I am gonna miss saying skataboo, skataboo.
Share not he's going to the NFL.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
Yeah, but I mean, but like now like I mean,
I like that's yeah, I like to say it, scataboo, stataboo.
But he's gonna be a legend for years to come. Scataboo, scataboo.
Will you do the fandango?
Speaker 3 (17:04):
Do you get any kind of monies for that one?
Berman inevitably uses it after the.
Speaker 4 (17:09):
First and DJ, much much like Cab Callaway singing many
of the mood set get get it.
Speaker 3 (17:22):
If you can get Berman to do that once, I mean,
that's the walk off for him. You still have his email, right, Uh? Yeah,
it's it's it's at at uh at. It's boomer a
well dot com, sixty four dot com When do we
combado our sixty four? It nicely done? It's when it's
at boomer dot com. That's what DJ. He's part of
(17:43):
one of the greatest photos ever looked up about. I'm
sure he does. No. I remember when he first got
on Twitter. He said, Hey, ESPN wants me to try Twitter, Like.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
Oh, people say that, Yeah, my company has said you
still have on social media. He got a beeper, he's
got a page. What's that phone number? I can't tell.
I can't tell what that number is. Like in thirty
Rock when uh, what's his name? Was the Dean Winners
was the only pager salesman left in New York. So
he's making a lot of money. He's the only one left.
There's nobody else. He's making money. People are still getting pagers.
(18:18):
I had one for a while. I did pain in
the ass. That was yeah, because then he had to
find a phone.
Speaker 3 (18:22):
It's not like you could say I had one of
the earlier text ones. But they were so tiny, like
unless you were pulling this before they started selling these
and bilking you with the stylus and so you had
to find a pencil that was thinning of fat. Yeah yeah, yeah,
oh yeah, no, that was yeah. People probably thought you
had some good drugs on your mind. I was probably
(18:45):
some of the messages I would have said.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
I was so glad when that when that went by
the way, I was so glad when PDAs went by
the way. So I'm not taking out a stylists and
writing stuff. Come on, yeah, you bean people games, your
PDA right up against somebody else PDA and press the
game and he would give somebody the game.
Speaker 3 (19:02):
I will say that was kind of cool. Going back
and back in time, we're going back to two thousand
and four. Just you remember, though, I carried that thing
for for years when I worked at Yahoo, and the
only time that it actually came into practical service was
the unfortunate nine to eleven morning. Like otherwise, it was
I'm carrying this thing, and I would get yelled at
because they wanted proof that you were actually carrying it
(19:24):
with you, so you were, you know, tethered to them
twenty four to seven. Sure, so like all these times
you're going to ball games or whatever, it's like, I'm
carrying this extra crap and then you boom. So now,
speaking of scataboo, scataboo, scataboo, scataboo, you're so so down
on dude the fact, No, no, no, I'm not down on him.
You hate him, nutstof absolutely hate that.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
I'm being realistic about the pro prospects of cam skataboo.
Like most people got to see him for the first
time yesterday right Arizona with the bye How much did
you watch?
Speaker 3 (19:54):
Here?
Speaker 1 (19:54):
They are and he was phenomenal. Cam Scataboo is a
phenomenal college football player. He is a fantastic college football player.
He should have probably been in New York for the
Heisman ceremony. He is a phenomenal college football player. You
saw everything on display yesterday. He wouldn't go down. He
was so hard to tackle. He made all the clutch plays.
He even threw a touchdown. He's comfortable in the spotlight.
(20:16):
I love the fact that he likes being a star.
He is a terrific college football player. And I know
that when you see a guy play a game like that,
you want to give him more plaudits than he probably
should get when it talks about the NFL, because I
saw all kinds of people, Oh yeah, this guy could
be Mike Alstadt, he could be Peyton Hillis he could.
Speaker 3 (20:34):
What about MJ d or the muscle Hams.
Speaker 1 (20:36):
Cam Scataboo is not going to be that because he
is not big and he is not fast.
Speaker 3 (20:41):
He is tough. He never skips leg day. You know
that he.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
All right, But forget about the tush push and I go.
I learned this in high school. You can be big,
I'm sorry. You can be slow if you're big, and
you can be short if you're fast. But you can't
be sure and slow.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
Right. That was that combination doesn't work. That hurt me.
I knew I wasn't great hands, those panda hands. I mean,
my my best thing was trying to get into Brown academically.
I want to talk to you about Gilroy.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
That's great, John, I'm glad you got it, but I
want to talk to you about Gilroy.
Speaker 3 (21:16):
Tell me who wins the game. I don't want your life,
so I get it. I get it, but you have
it a moment, don't.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
Is that when you get to the NFL. Oh, he
doesn't go down? That that skill translates. No running backs
go down in the NFL, okay, and they get tackled.
This is college okay, Because in the NFL it's linebackers,
defensive linemen who don't feed their families if they miss tackles.
It's a little bit different than a kid who say, hey,
this is gonna be the last time I get to
(21:50):
play football. Ever I miss a tackle. Huh. It's the NFL,
and I get that you want to project him as
being somebody who's going to be really, really a superstar.
He's not because he needs to be fast. You can't
give him the ball in the sweep he's gonna get
he's gonna get smushed. You can't give the ball between
the tackles all the time. He's not big enough. He's
a tweener. Now, this doesn't mean he's not gonna play
(22:10):
in the NFL, because I can see him being a
full back type, special team's crowd favorite who sells jerseys
right I could.
Speaker 3 (22:20):
I could see people buying.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
A Scataboo forty nine ers jersey and saying, oh, it's
gotta we got Scataboo's guy.
Speaker 3 (22:26):
I see some of those in Week eighteen, and maybe
the NFL sidelines give me scatabo like.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
I can see him having an NF I'm not saying
he's not gonna make it, but all of a sudden,
all this push from from pundits yesterday, of all, he
could be a big thunder and lightning part of No,
you can't give the ball fifteen times a game. I
mean again, the combination of not being big and not
being fast doesn't work in the end. It just doesn't.
There's no running backs in the NFL that are that
(22:51):
aren't six ' three, that are slow, that make it.
There's there's just not right. I saw the big comp
for him was him and Legarrett Blunt. Right, well, Lagarrett
Plint was a little bit. Bro is a little bit faster, right,
a little bit you got you got it. You have
to be that way, and Skataboo isn't. And it's it's
hard because he's such a great player and you saw
him do such great things and you know, bleeding on
(23:12):
the field, throwing up all the time. He's a great story.
But when it comes to the NFL, like that's kind
of what his future is. He'll be like a full back,
special teamer, fan favorite that that's kind of what that's
kind of what Cam Skataboo's future is.
Speaker 3 (23:26):
Yeah, but then you can have a nice long career
that way. I mean, yes, Projecting any running back to
start them, I think we're just enamored with the idea
of what the NFL is pivoting back to to a degree.
So any running back with some success, maybe we're we're
lifting them up a little bit like quarterbacks, Like we're
(23:47):
just having the conversation with Jalen Milroe in what actually
happens in the draft. And we do this with the
NFL Draft year after year of all right, we like
these running backs, but realistically, how many teams are going
to take a running back early? Because that's the other
thing that plays into it is we've had a lot
of college backs that then go in the third, fourth round.
(24:07):
I mean, look at a lot of the would be
stars and guys that are shining in the NFL now
or no necessarily first or second round picks. You got
a lot of third day guys, undrafted guys that you
get him into the right situation and they'll be able
to star. And for Skataboo, yeah, it's the twenty four
to forty eight hour news cycle of coming off of
this big performance. Right whereas you look at genty had
(24:31):
himself a pretty good game and if you actually watch
the entirety of it, a lot of tough yards that
he was able to gain. Right, he doesn't go down
on first content too. Right, you just you get powerhouse
through and you know, you chuckle, but you know the
David Montgomery run because he's your nemicis not my nemesis,
(24:53):
but you know a guy that can get to the
second level and make plays, but his money has been
made in between the tack and brushing off first contact
something scatter who should be able to do at the
next level five to eleven, two fifteen, which is the
you know, comps to some of the heroes out there.
Maybe they've got a little bit of speed. I mean
(25:15):
lagerret blood was an extra thirty pounds heavier. Yeah, so
that's a lot of extra squads. Yeah, and a lot
of extra work in the weight room. But doesn't mean
it can't translate to talk about the full back position
again with the run game rolling and the fact that
he is adept as a pass receiver that that helps
(25:35):
push things forward that let's face it, we want to
sell jerseys. Yeah, of course, it's worked for years Tebow.
That's fine.
Speaker 1 (25:43):
Now let's get to the bigger story when it comes
to yesterday and the Arizona State Texas game, because I
can tell you exactly why the targeting flag was not
thrown on Texas on a play that should have given
the game to Arizonas.
Speaker 3 (25:58):
Was it because the fix was inack?
Speaker 1 (26:00):
No and no, and uh, well that'd be the Well
it wasn't mahomes, So now you know what. Oh sorry,
because everybody's missing the conversation, say, oh, how do you
not see that? I don't know what targeting is. That's
been the big thing. I don't know what to targeting.
Speaker 3 (26:13):
This is not.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
I don't know if it's a catch like it was
in the NFL. Trust me, we still have problems with
what to catch. I will tell you that because I'm
going to tell you exactly why this flag wasn't thrown.
You're gonna go, oh, I get it. Every official knows
what targeting is.
Speaker 3 (26:30):
They all know.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
It's not like they show up to the game for
the first time and go, hey, uncle Joe, can you
tell me if that's targeting?
Speaker 3 (26:35):
I don't know. He looked like he led with his
I can't tell either. Know.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
They all know what targeting is. Every officiating crew in NFL,
college football, NBA, major League baseball, they.
Speaker 3 (26:46):
All have their own slant on the rules. They some
are a little bit more lax, some call more stringent.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
Jerome Boger like to call more string games and get
on television all the time.
Speaker 3 (27:02):
But they all know what the rules are. They all
know the rules, They all know what targets plenty of
sites across the world NFL Reffing Stats, NCAA. What the
crews there are points of emphasis and where you're maybe
gonna get some home cooking and not.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
Yeah, they all there. Now, why was this not called?
If you remember in the third quarter during Arizona State's comeback,
they got a big interception and no targeting was called
when easily targeting should have been called. You add the
Arizona State defender leave his feet, lead with his head
and put his arm out on the Texas wide receiver
(27:40):
Warriors attached. Just because there was no helmet to helmet contact,
that wasn't called. But I'm sorry, that's targeting. Leaving your feet,
leading with your helmet leading and putting your arm out
having contact with a defenseless receiver. That's targeting. But they
missed the call, right or they didn't they maybe that's
not quite target but whatever, they know that that was
a call that after Hey, that should have been targeting
(28:03):
right in Arizona stall right, Yeah, but that should have
been targeting. And whether the officiating crew knew it or
not at the time, whether they missed it as time
went on, Hey, that was a big play and that
was a targeting call we didn't make and we let
the play stand. Right, Arizona State got the interception, they
went down and scored tie the game. That was a
(28:24):
big play. So now we get to the play at
the end that was not called when and I'm not
saying it wasn't targeting. This is targeting by the book.
This is defenseless receiver led with your helmet. It's targeting.
It should have been Arizona State's ball the thirty five
yard line and there are a couple of plays away
from kicking a field goal to win the game. But
you know, the officiating crew said, okay, we didn't call
(28:46):
it before. We let the play stand. It was a
big play. We gave it to Arizona State. We got
to let this one stand too, and let the players
decided on the field. Now we're gonna get blamed. They're
gonna say, oh, how do you not throw the flag?
But we let it go for Texas even though this
is more egregious. We're gonna let this go too and
let the players win it on the field because if
we do this, we're giving the game to Arizona State.
Speaker 3 (29:08):
And if you think officials don't think about stuff, like that.
Of course they do.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
And whether it was in the replay view of it,
whether it was on the field, they weren't going to
make that call because they had let that one go
with Texas earlier, and it was a huge It was
a huge momentum swing play, this huge amaendum swing play too.
But what this did was this kept the game. Even Okay,
you're gonna win. You gotta win. Someone's gotta win the game.
(29:31):
We're not gonna give this penalty and give it to
you and have you kick a field goal win the game.
Now you can disagree with it, you can say it's
not right because it was. It was targeting. Yes, what
I'm doing is explaining exactly why the targeting wasn't called.
So when you see it from that perspective, that's why
this wasn't Officials didn't know what targeting was. No, they
had let it go for Texas when they probably should
(29:53):
have called it. Maybe they thought, ah, we really need
to do that. Okay, came up here, they even went
and looked at it and said, no, no penalty for
target Okay, okay, so you're gonna go win it on
the field. I know there's a lot of complaints it
became a different game. Arizona State still had chances to win. Right,
Texas still had chances to win. Arizona State had chances
to win. This is a play it should have been called.
But I'm telling you why it wasn't. And it was.
(30:15):
It was because of the call they missed before and
how they how they feel about targeting, but they missed
that call before, so they didn't feel they could make
that call there.
Speaker 3 (30:23):
Yeah, I think it comes down in the big twelve,
you know, asking a lot of questions and doing their
politicizing of it, you know, to say, hey, we need
to get our hands around this, and and all For me,
it becomes the did they do it for the sake
of consistency or was it a makeup? Because the makeup
(30:44):
I don't like. I don't like the We missed one,
so we missed the other. So if it's just consistent,
don't mind to make up.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
In that perspective where hey, this is a really big play,
we let it stand. Here's another really big play for
the other team. We let it stand because if they.
Speaker 3 (30:59):
If they, but now we've made two errors. Let's say
they two wrongs don't make a right smith.
Speaker 1 (31:03):
Let's say they call that, they called they call the
the targeting on on on Arizona State. That's not a turnover.
Maybe Arizona State's not even in the game at that point.
Maybe Texas goes down and scores, you don't know. But
the fact that they let that play stand, that was
a huge advantage of Arizona.
Speaker 3 (31:20):
We get into the letter and spirit of the law.
You know, we were watching the Notre Dame game earlier, uh,
and certainly in the Twitter verse, and folks wanted to
cite the rule. And look, it's like you say, everybody,
every official knows the rules rules of targeting. I understand
how it works for kickers and punters, the plant leg
versus the kicking leg and maybe extended a little bit longer,
(31:43):
uh to potentially get some contact. But we saw the
Notre Dame player run through the guy back to back
plays pretty egregiously right, not ops a daisy. You know,
there was a little contact as I went by, No, no, no,
he ran through his leg and spun them around on one.
Maybe a little bit of acting, but still seem like
(32:03):
significant content contacts, So letter versus spirit of the law. Likewise,
when you get into these kind of situations, especially late games.
Right when we're talking about what are you gonna call
in terms of defensive holding and pass interference and in
this case, when we're talking about targeting, which is always
a rule that is rankled the feathers of folks. Right,
(32:25):
how many times do we see it in the NFL?
You don't get a penalty on a running back, but
then they lose essentially a game check for lowing the
helmet to initiate Contact's all right, well, you didn't get
the fifteen yards on the field, We let it go
and everybody plays on. But by the way, you're fifty
thousand dollars lighter. We saw that with Jalen Warren a
few weeks back, like that was more than his game check. Yeah,
(32:48):
you played for free that thing basically, and then you
owe me the first quarter of next week. Right, you
had a good game all of these things and you
weren't penalized. But here here's the pink envelope that takes
away essentially a full week's work. So the same thing
here is like if you if you're saying that by
letter of the law, the first one wasn't a penalty,
because you can make that argument, right, no helpt involved.
(33:11):
Letter of the law, it's not, but the spirit of
the rule was, Yes, that's targeting. And then you do
a makeup like that. That's where we get down a
really bad like which has always been the case, and
it's human nature. It's like, we'll get you on the
next one, right, I didn't have cash to tip yet,
I'll get you out of the next one. Does anybody
really get you back for the tip they missed? Probably not.
(33:31):
I'll see on the way back. Don't worry about I
got you. I got you. Right, you go into a score,
someone's asking you for money, Yeah, yeah, I get you
on the way.
Speaker 1 (33:38):
Got the other exit and pretend and pretend you're on
your phone. Yeah, hey, sorry, I got it.
Speaker 3 (33:42):
Yeah, Hey, how's a go? I make goods.
Speaker 1 (33:44):
So you want to know why they didn't call it.
That's why they didn't call it. That's the right thing,
the right reason why they didn't call it, not.
Speaker 3 (33:49):
Because they don't understand.
Speaker 1 (33:50):
One of the cover that now fixed was in you
want a hot take. We got a great hot take
involving a quarterback who not only didn't make Pro Bowl today,
he may never make one again.
Speaker 3 (34:03):
That's next Jason to Mike.
Speaker 2 (34:05):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Jason Smith
Show with Mike Harmon weekdays at ten pm Eastern, seven
pm Pacific.
Speaker 3 (34:14):
Scataboo, scataboo, Gataboo, gattaboo. You're so angry at him, I
feel like I need to buy a Jets jersey for him. Yeah,
did he hurt you? Were you family? I'm just saying,
I'm just saying how you're trying to cost this guy
a lot of money. I gotta be Remnton. Okay, he's
better than anything the Jets have had.
Speaker 1 (34:30):
Stop Garrett Wilson, Curtis Martin, ooh since Curtis Martin, hang on,
h Curry, Lamont.
Speaker 3 (34:37):
Jordan's Yeah, well t was done by then, a couple
of years of Chris Ivory.
Speaker 1 (34:42):
Okayble All Powell, Okay, I know you got something there, Frostburgy,
you got something there. The Jason Smith Show with Mike
Carmon Live from the tire Rack dot Com Studios. Now
time for your big hot take of the night.
Speaker 3 (34:53):
Okay, let's go.
Speaker 1 (34:54):
Pro Bowl rosters came out today not making the Pro Bowl,
and he from the Jets also not making the Pro Bowl.
Patrick Mahomes and there's a bit of a shock. Eyebrow raised.
It was the right call because the top three quarterbacks
in the AFC have all played better than Mahomes this year.
(35:15):
They all accounted for at least twelve to fourteen more touchdowns.
Burrow's been better, Josh Allen's been better, and Lamar Jackson's
been better. You're talking about the three guys who are
the more likely going to be the finalist for NFL
MVP right now, along with say Kwon Barkley. But we
can get more into Barkley tomorrow night. But these are
the three best quarterbacks in the game right now, and
they have been phenomenal. That's not the hot take. Patrick
(35:38):
Mahomes is not the same guy. He is a game manager.
He has been a game manager for.
Speaker 3 (35:43):
Two full years.
Speaker 1 (35:44):
I'm not going on like, you know, here's a week
and a half of data, here's a great hot bet. No,
the Chiefs offense is different than it was. It's not
up and down the field anymore.
Speaker 3 (35:54):
This is what you have.
Speaker 1 (35:55):
You have more of a Patriots way of sustaining winning,
where we're gonna spend money and build a really good defense.
We have a good enough offense and a clutch quarterback
that nobody is better than in the last five or
six minutes of the game. That's how we're gonna win.
That's how the Patriots won, That's how the Chiefs are
winning on the back half of Mahomes' career. That's not
the hot part. The hot part is this, I know
(36:16):
that Mahomes makes a Pro Bowl again. Okay, potential is there.
Speaker 3 (36:20):
You are looking. He's still at thirty nine hundred yards
twenty six and eleven. It's not a bad year. But
you're told he doesn't have to play Week eighteen. Otherwise
he would have had another four thousand yard season. All
of that the same. But it's not a bad season.
Speaker 1 (36:32):
It's just not It's just not the same dynamic quarterback
that he was. He's not the guy that made us
gape with what he was able to do where he's
able to throw the football all the different things. Not
because all of a sudden Patrick Mahomes stinks, but because
the Chiefs have evolved and maybe without some of the weapons,
teams have figured out a way to stop them until
the Chiefs get a little bit more creative at winning time.
(36:55):
But I don't know that he makes it because you
have all three quarterbacks who are better than Mahome right
now that are all younger than he is by a
year or two, and they're much more dynamic. Their teams
are gonna rely on them to do more every single year.
And then you have the young quarterbacks coming up behind him,
Guys like CJ. Stroud, who had a down year this year,
but you saw the rookie year he had, he was phenomenal.
(37:16):
Bo Nix has thrown twenty five touchdowns his rookie year. Okay,
Justin Herbert is having the same kind of year as Mahomes,
but he's twenty two touchdowns and three picks all year long.
Like these are the guys who are gonna have more
dynamic years as they go on. I know that Mahomes
hasn't made his last Pro Bowl as far as being
one of the top three quarterbacks in the AFC being
named there, because the three guys ahead of them are
(37:39):
gonna be ahead of them for a little while, and
the guys behind him are just gonna get better. And
if this is the Chiefs offense, if this is the
way the Chiefs are gonna play, and you can't argue
if they go and win the Super Bowl, this is
how we're gonna continue to play it. This is how
we do it. We'll keep it close for three quarters.
You'll think you're gonna win. We're gonna make plays at
the end of the fourth quarter. This may be this
may be the last that this may be a situation
(38:00):
where Mahomes has made his last Pro Bowl. One of
the top three quarterbacks in the AFC.
Speaker 3 (38:04):
Yeah, and you might decide to if you're the Chiefs,
that you need more firepower. And certainly Xavier Worthy is
that guy. You've gone the year without Rashi Rice, So
in theory you were gonna have more dynamism to your offense.
And then you know, best laid plans right to where
(38:24):
you've got to go and pick guys up off the street.
Pacheco gets hurt, so you've got to shuffle out the
running back room. And it's been fine and he's eventually
come back, but you missed a chunk of time with him.
So all of that to say, we don't know, like
I was giving you the Roy Kent speech, we don't
know what. We're not in the locker room with them,
we're not. But this is the way they've played it.
(38:46):
Travis Kelcey is another year Older had another good year,
but even he after the game against Cleveland was like
it might have been the last game I play here,
you know kind of thing, and realizing, you know, the
sand in the hourglass is more empty than full on
his run, So you know what you're doing to change
out your offense effects how you're playing defense has been
(39:09):
fantastic these last couple of years and carried the day
a number of times. Like I said, thirty nine, twenty
six and eleven is not a terrible season, but it's
not to the standards and the expectations that you have
for these other guys that are throwing four hundred and three,
and it's like Joe Burrow's defense isn't getting any better overnight.
Speaker 1 (39:27):
And it's not what it's not what Mahomes has done
throughout his career. He's been thirty five and up every
single year. It was for years, and it was a
team that you got down fourteen nothing and the game
was over because you couldn't you couldn't keep up with
their firepower.
Speaker 3 (39:39):
It's not it's not on the fact that the refs
were on parol. Yeah, well only for the fourth quarter.
What did they get for the holidays? Holiday holidays? Do
you think what was all of makeouts?
Speaker 1 (39:47):
I actually saw I actually saw a video of Mahomes
last week, right before the game, actually giving a Christmas
card to a referee.
Speaker 3 (39:53):
Yeah, and the referee open up. There's a bunch of
bills in it is the referee naked? Look at that nuts? Wow?
Did they go into the over the tree room where
they had stockings hung? Hey? Look at Mahomes got me?
Hey there's that Starbucks gift card there? Wait?
Speaker 1 (40:08):
These are all from are you the secret Santa?
Speaker 3 (40:13):
Ya?
Speaker 5 (40:13):
But don't tell anybody who I am. Well, I don't
know who you are. No, I know you know, but
it's okay. Here, here's your here's your present for the year.
Speaker 3 (40:19):
It's okay.
Speaker 5 (40:21):
Make sure that Mato is able to catch a passing
the end zone in the final couple of minutes.
Speaker 3 (40:25):
Okay, I know, I.
Speaker 5 (40:26):
Don't want to say his name, but you know my
auto you know eighty seven. Make sure he catches that. Okay,
you know, because the coach likes his nuggies. Once maybe
after the game. I don't remember when I throwed a him.
Throw you throw that flag?
Speaker 3 (40:40):
Who is that? That? That's my Jim Harbor impression. That was.
That was Patrick Mahomes after some curtains of sick.
Speaker 2 (40:48):
You know.
Speaker 3 (40:50):
With umble it's not terrible Sportsneger's half to Cambay half.
I don't know why. Boy, we must have really played
that a lot.
Speaker 1 (41:03):
Alex hasn't memorized who is my daddy and what does
he do?
Speaker 3 (41:06):
Okay, Ben Mallick coming up next. Jason, I'm like this
run up baby buggy bump bump,
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