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September 3, 2025 41 mins

🎙️ Hour 4 of The Jason Smith Show with Mike Harmon!

The guys open the hour reacting to Cowboys head coach Jerry Jones' colossal mistake in trading linebacker Micah Parsons and try to make sense of the controversial move. Then, they dive into Jets head coach Aaron Glenn’s comments regarding quarterback Aaron Rodgers and debate whether this could be the latest “beef” in the NFL. All that and more in Hour 4 of The Jason Smith Show with Mike Harmon!

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Speaker 3 (00:53):
Well we got more.

Speaker 1 (00:53):
And Bill Bellos, we have a great NFL story of
rivalry that you didn't know we needed. But we're getting
heading into week one. One good but another day and
maybe the I can't say the end. It's the story's
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Speaker 2 (01:31):
I think if I was trying to drive somebody nuts.

Speaker 1 (01:34):
Story Rory, Oh, it's fantastic. All right, we'll have to
look at it. Full hour, full hour of hour ending story.
Full hour. That might be a bit much, but okay.
Today was yet another day of drama for everybody's favorite
NFL offseason storyline, the trade of Micah Parsons to the

(01:55):
Green Bay Packers. And actually, after hearing what I heard
today and seeing what I saw today, it is even
more Jerry Jones's fault than I thought it was when
the trade happened. Okay, because this is the day that
Today was the day you almost didn't trade for Michaeh Parsons.

(02:18):
You almost didn't say two first round picks and a
defensive lineman who's seen his best day for Michaeh Pawson's
You know, Jonathan Price was in the Thursday Mr. Club.
You remember today as the day you almost had a
chance to compete in the NFC East, but you traded MICHAELH. Parsons.

(02:43):
You remember today is today that could have gotten Arch
Manning if you had tanked and played Cooper Rush at quarterback,
but you paid Dak Prescott. So today David Mullagetta, who
had been known as the Agent up until today, because
that's how Jerry Jones referred it, the agent, the agent,
the agent, they what you know that must have pissed

(03:05):
him off and pissed Michael Parsons off. The agent, the agent.

Speaker 2 (03:07):
Yeah, that's that's the part of this that needs to
be triple underscore, just the the little needling the agent.
And I took that personally. I saw, I saw the
night agent with the guy from the Reacher Show.

Speaker 1 (03:20):
And uh uh uh uh not no, no, not that
you're thinking of the Cruise kid. But he's not as
tall as the guy from the show like movie movie
Tom Cruise five seven, uh TV show Reacher bigger guy
like like Cruise. He would be like a scatback that
we give him the ball like maybe like five times
a game, like a Darren Sproles. But the Reacher guy

(03:41):
we put him a left tackle and just run behind him.
So that's how it would work. My favorite meme.

Speaker 2 (03:46):
Of the week was the the uh Tom Cruise from
Vanilla Sky where they try to pufort his five to
eleven and a half.

Speaker 1 (03:54):
You really want to measure that, uh So. David Mullagetta
goes on ESPN today, who is the agent again the
agent for Michael part He's an agent for Michah Parsons,
and he said many things about the negotiation with the
Cowboys and how it didn't go right, how he wound

(04:16):
up getting traded and again after hearing this here in
the Cowboys side of things, yes it's even more Jerry
Jones's fault. Here are some things that Micah Parsons agent said.
Said that the Cowboys were never told that Parsons wouldn't
play for them. Mulageda said, Hey, Michah loves the game
so much. He was going to play opening week no
matter what, as long as he was healthy. Also, Mulagetta

(04:36):
said that Michah Parsons wanted to be a cowboy. He
always wanted to be a cowboy, wanted to stay a cowboy.
Didn't work out. Also said that he was really upset
that Jerry Jones would try to cut a deal with
Micah Parsons when that's really not something you should do.
When the most influencial owner in the NFL calls you
into his office and negotiates a deal with you, that's

(04:57):
not quite cool. So there's a power to dynamic situation
that was that was at stake here and all of that.
And this is part of what Mulageda also talked about,
which we know about this where it's not illegal for
Jerry Jones to negotiate with Micah Parsons, but it's not
really super legal to do it either, right, And then.

Speaker 2 (05:15):
It becomes the the idea of you know, how much
are you really delving into the depths of what a
full contract's all about? Right as we've surmised, or you know,
I've tried to float as often as we can, and
we get on this topic of Jerry and Micah might
have come to some general agreement of down and distance,

(05:36):
i e. We're gonna pay you more than that guy.

Speaker 1 (05:39):
Okay, cool. Now the other part of it that Mulageda said,
and this is where this gets into your big phrase
from him, the devil's in the detail. Remember Jerry Jones
said after the trade, we offered Micah the most non
guaranteed money, but the biggest salary as a non quarterback
in NFL history, and more guaranteed money than he's got
in the current deal. Okay, well that sounds like, well,

(06:01):
what kind of deal with Michael Parson's turned down? Now,
Michaeh Parsons turned down a deal that could have cost
him between sixty to seventy million dollars in earnings because
of the length of the deal. Right, he signed four
years with the Packers. This is a five year deal
that was north of one hundred and fifty million. But
it's not gonna be the money that Parsons is going
to be able to recoup over the course of his

(06:21):
career because it's less money for a longer contract, which
is one less year of prime Michah Parsons, you're gonna
get when he's twenty nine, thirty years old. So this
was money that he would have lost over the course
of the contract. So hearing two sides of this story, Right,
we have the Michah Parsons side and we have the
Jerry Jones side. At the time, enough information, Jerry Jones

(06:42):
blew it because he had the best defensive player in
the NFL, couldn't sign him to a long term contract. Right,
So that's that's on Jerry. But if I have to
say what side I believe here, I'm believing Michah Parsons
and Mulagedo. Why because of what we've heard from the
Cowboys end of it. All we heard from Jerry Jones
was that cryptic more guaranteed money. Not that this part

(07:05):
of the contract where it's not just as easy as
it seems. There's if if Jerry Jones made him a
great offer and everything was above board, Jerry Jones would
have been the first guy at that press conference to say,
here's all the details, here's what I offered him, here's
what he turned down, here's what he said. Yeah, he
would have said everything. Because Jerry Jones does not want
to be on the hook for this, does not want

(07:25):
to he understands it. I'm gonna get blamed for this,
and Jerry Jones someone that doesn't want to take blame
for this. He would have been the first guy out there,
But instead we just got the cryptic. Well I had to,
you know, it was it was more guaranteed money. And
we have to be able to stop the run, which
we told you when it happened. That's just Jerry Jones
making stuff up because they didn't do anything to address
stopping the run in the off season. Now I'm making

(07:47):
up a real we have to stop the run. I
have to stop there. That's just stupid, right, Jerry Jones
thinks we're stupid. Instead he winds up looking stupid. So
I know that if Jerry, if if any of this
was not Jerry Jones's fault, in the Cowboy's fault, Jerry
would have talked about this and he would have said it.
The other part is now you're waiting. Okay, here's the
other shoot to drop. What kind of teammate was Michah Parsons?
What are the Cowboys saying about him now that he

(08:09):
is no longer on the team and they can say
whatever they want to And what do we get Dak
Prescott implying that maybe he wasn't the biggest fan of
Michaeh Parsons podcast. Okay, well you gotta get over but
you gotta get over that, man. I mean, that's the
way the sports is now. And you had whispers in
the locker room that maybe Michah Parson's a little bit
of a loner. Some players say maybe he wasn't the

(08:31):
first guy in for treatment. Other players said he was
the first guy in for treatment. They didn't like the
fact that he was behaving the way he was over
the course of this negotiation, laying on the table, just
showing up at practice, not really doing anything. So that
was sort of what rubbed the Cowboys the wrong way. Okay,
that's a far cry from we couldn't stand the guy.

(08:52):
We're better off without him. If these are the biggest
things the Cowboys can say about Micah Parsons, I know
even more it's Jerry Jones's fault because if you're telling
me the worst thing is, hey, we'd offer him more money,
but it wasn't as good a deal, and the Cowboys
player saying, yeah, maybe individually he wasn't all of our
cups of tea. You know what, He's gonna be your
cup of tea Thursday night against the Eagles, he would

(09:14):
have been your cup of tea. Then, right when the
Eagles have to say, where's Michael Parson's live? Where is it?
We got to make sure the game plan is about
stopping Micah Parsons and get it. That's where they would
have loved him. They would have loved him on Thursday
night against the Eagles. So if you're telling me that
this is the this is the most the Cowboys can say.
And here's what I'm getting from Parsons side of it. Yeah,
it's even more Jerry Jones's fault.

Speaker 2 (09:34):
Yeah, especially after watching what we just had with the
Mavericks and the post Luka Doncics trade that how much
Nico and the organization had to wear that one for
how that went down, including the immediate parallel of this
wasn't shop to everybody, and it's something we talked about.

Speaker 1 (09:54):
It's times.

Speaker 2 (09:55):
Wow, that timeline really sped up. We're not talking about
trading him. We're not doing this, okay, and now they're
open to offers Bam Packers contract announced.

Speaker 1 (10:04):
I didn't. I didn't know until after there's an entire
other conference. I could have traded him too, didn't know that.
Thought that was like the AFL, you know that was
Nameth and the Jets and the other didn't didn't know that,
so I could have traded him there.

Speaker 2 (10:16):
But that's thing like double Malfeasan's and malpracticed on that
part is that you didn't do it before the draft,
like if you were gonna come down the trip. And
I truly believe it, and I said it all the
way through that I really think Michael Parsons wanted to
be a Dallas cowboy and that he was really emotionally
in a in a weird spot with all those Oh

(10:37):
look how Pisty is sitting at the chair.

Speaker 1 (10:39):
It's like, No, that's a guy that wants to be
on a field.

Speaker 2 (10:41):
Yeah, he wants he wants the business part of this
done now he's tired.

Speaker 1 (10:47):
It was a bad optic.

Speaker 2 (10:48):
It was he looked the last party, like the laying
on the table was just dopey. But when he was
sitting in the chair and looking sad and whatever, like
this is the guy.

Speaker 1 (10:57):
That just wants to play football.

Speaker 2 (10:59):
Like he to steal it from from Jerry maguire like
we do so often, Like I tho agents on the phone,
I just want to play for My word is as
strong as Oak.

Speaker 1 (11:08):
You know, I don't do contracts, but that's just it.
Mike get Jerry thought it was Oak. Yeah, yeah, he's
Boat Bridges, Yeah exactly. But like all that I was
told I don't do contract, but well I had to
handshake agreement, so thought he was there, but instead I
got cushlash, cushlash, cush lash.

Speaker 2 (11:25):
But you know, Muliganta, you know the devil in the details, right,
four years versus five years, the opportunity to get to
marketplace make another sixty million dollars, that's kind of an
important little detail. But in terms of going and maximizing
what you got, Okay, a couple of draft picks that'll
be twenty in the twenties, so not great shakes. And
I had a player who's making twenty million dollars this year.

(11:46):
It's not helping you financially. Why why wouldn't you have
just paid more money? And now you're paying every other
Bland got paid, Ferguson got paid this.

Speaker 1 (11:55):
Off seat like everybody else.

Speaker 2 (11:56):
Is getting, you know, the giant checks cut off one
after another. But then when you make this trade in conference,
you get two guys like on the eve of the season,
so you're getting minimal return and you traded him in conference. Yeah,
and we get we get to watch that matchup in
a moment.

Speaker 1 (12:13):
None of it goes right. It gets worse and worse
with each passing day, like, at least, if you compare
this to the Luca Donta trade, at least the MAVs
got Anthony Davis, you know what I mean. But in
this case, if they just cleared the deck and walked
away with a bunch of draft picks from the Packers
or from whomever else, then you at least say, Okay,

(12:34):
we're already throwing up the white flag. We're done.

Speaker 2 (12:37):
This wasn't gonna work because look, they won twelve games
three different times here in the last few years.

Speaker 1 (12:42):
I don't know about you. I'd kill to have three
twelve win season season, you know what I'm saying. There's
the Jets three years to win. So this is where
I do my my little bit of u.

Speaker 2 (12:53):
I'll stand up for Jerry and the Cowboys that it's
not horrible business altogether because they've actually won twelve games.
As how many of your franchisees have won twelve games.
Pittsburgh gets celebrated for going nine at eight, for crying.

Speaker 1 (13:06):
Out loud, and look, we're gonna get the arch Kid
because it just went they got Cooper flag and we're
gonna get the arch Kid. And then we'll trade Dak
here you go. So Dak will take over for Tony
in the CBS booth and we'll get Tony back and
he'll be the backup and we'll be back to where
we were.

Speaker 2 (13:23):
As long as someone else is doing the whole thing.
I'll bring Daz back, I'll bring everybody back. Wow you
want to I don't know the Dez is gone score
scoring shirt out on two. But but all of that's saying,
like I I defend it from a football standpoint in theory,
just not in practice.

Speaker 1 (13:39):
The what you did and how you executed it. Yeah,
it was like moving on from him. It's like I
defended Joe Shane.

Speaker 2 (13:44):
Right, It's like, how many games are we gonna win
because Saquon Barkley hung around the Giants?

Speaker 1 (13:49):
What you were gonna get the six wins?

Speaker 3 (13:52):
Great?

Speaker 1 (13:52):
He just you just couldn't control where he was gonna.

Speaker 3 (13:54):
Right.

Speaker 2 (13:54):
You just made it a bad narrative with the phone
call that was on hard knocks and nothing.

Speaker 1 (13:59):
Nothing is gonna make this look good. There's nothing, and
it looks worse and worse with every passing day. At
least with the Mavericks, you could say, well, you got
a d you were and you weren't gonna keep Luca anyway.

Speaker 2 (14:11):
Right, that was all you were and you win the lottery,
you get Cooper Flag and Cowboys.

Speaker 1 (14:16):
Cowboys could have kept Micah Parsons could have kept him,
could have kept the best defective player in the NFL
is twenty five years old. You could have kept that guy,
but you decided not to. I mean I could I
could at least see the method to the madness with
the Mavericks. I could a least see. You could agree
or did, but I could at least see. Okay, if
he's not gonna if you're not gonna re sign Luca
for three hundred million dollars because you're worried about his

(14:38):
dedication to the team and you want to move on, Okay,
you're gonna move him. You got a really good player
in return. You're building differently. At least I understand that,
Like this was just what is happening. I mean, if
Jerry Joe lost his fastball, that's fair. His fastball now
is like some seventy four mile an hour flo It's
like a position player throwing. Now, that's how much he's
losses for. If you were gonna go down this and

(15:00):
as pitching. But he thought that did you get your
bobblehead anyway? But all of that. He used to have
the business fastball of Nolan McClain. Now he's got the
business fastball of Kik. With the helmet.

Speaker 2 (15:14):
Well, you know, you lose some velocity, but now you're crafty.
But with Jerry, like you'd, Alwa's gotten the business done.
So I believe in his heart of hearts, he thought
in the eleventh hour that was going to be you know,
they'd get those details hashed out because otherwise you look
at it from the large, larger perspective of the business
of we're top heavy. And he finally heard that message

(15:35):
because that's been the criticism, right, is that you have
three or four guys. So they actually did what everybody
had been complaining that they should have been doing for years. Now,
was Mike and the guy to let go instead of
say CD Probably not, but this is where we're at.
You already paid those guys.

Speaker 1 (15:53):
You can't take that back exit about a Fresca exit,
swamol dom. I love it. With each passing day, it
looks worse and worse for the cowboys coming of night.

Speaker 2 (16:01):
Jerry Jones, because your impression has been questioned by Jason Cole.

Speaker 1 (16:04):
Now, my impression is good because now that he's in
his eighties, he's coming back to He sounds more like
me now than I sound like him, slowing down to
just voice getting a little deeper, a little deeper now.
Michael Kane, I said, Michael Kaye used to talk like
this in the nineteen sixties, right, but that has changed
over the years. The cigars and the brandy. Michael Kaine
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Speaker 1 (18:25):
Fox Sports Radio, the Jason Smith Show with my best
friend Mike Harmon. Yeah, we'll get to the latest on
Bill Belichick in a couple minutes because something from today
really just hits home. That boy he's not cut out
for college football and he's gonna fail. But it's not
the rivalry we expected, but it's a rivalry were getting

(18:46):
for Week one in the NFL, fantastic. Let's the Jets
and the Steelers the Aaron Rodgers revenge game. Come on
in if you will. Jets get their former quarterback, the
Steelers get their former quarterback, and Justin Fields and Field
said today, Hey, I don't really care. I'm just going
out to ball. It's not my story exactly whatever, Jerry,
I just want to play football. But the big thing

(19:07):
was Aaron Glenn, who was asked about facing Aaron Rodgers again.
Remember Aaron Rodgers not happy when Aaron Glenn became the
Jets head coach this offseason. They made him fly in
to Jets headquarters to tell him they were letting him
go they weren't re signing him, and Aaron Rodgers mad,
you could have done that with a phone call. You
make me fly in. It was really awkward. Aaron Glenn

(19:27):
has never talked about it, but now here we are
ahead of Week one against the Steelers. Okay, well, hey, Aaron,
will you talk about your former quarterback now? And Aaron
Rodgers and Aaron Glenn just said, yeah, still not doing it.

Speaker 3 (19:43):
That's been going.

Speaker 1 (19:44):
So I'm not going to answer questions about guys that's
not hearing. What I saw is right now.

Speaker 4 (19:48):
I'm looking at what all guys can do.

Speaker 1 (19:50):
So I'm shouting him nowly like just like I said,
Just like I said, I'm not gonna sit there and
answer questions on what I saw back then.

Speaker 3 (19:57):
That does it.

Speaker 1 (19:58):
It's not relevant right now. Okay, So after hearing this
and having there be zero talk about this in the
off season, I'm gonna tell you there is something personal
between Aaron Glenn and Aaron Rodgers. For Aaron Glenn to
act and talk like this about Rogers the way he does,
I don't know what it is, but you don't. You

(20:20):
don't call a guy in to say you're letting him go,
make him fly in when there's no you had no
overlap with him last so like you became the head coach,
you didn't like the way he acted. Like, you don't
do that to a guy, right, You don't say, hey,
make you fly in. If you're just gonna say we're
letting you go, we're going on the direction all of
this stuff. You don't do that. And then when you're
asked about him going into a game. I understand you

(20:42):
don't want to say certain things competitively, but instead not
talking about not doing it. There's something up there, whatever
it is, and it could be personal, just the way
that Aaron Glenn doesn't like the way Aaron Rodgers carries himself,
doesn't like stories he heard or something from when Aaron
Rodgers played against Aaron Glenn or played against a team
that Aaron Glenn coach. There is something there, right, maybe

(21:04):
when Aaron Glenn being the DC with with with the
Lions and I but there is something there because you
don't coaches don't blow off talk about another team's quarterback
like that unless there is something there.

Speaker 2 (21:17):
Yeah, I mean it's a long institutional memory. It's been
around the game a long time, played against and around
I mean countless people. I mean, we start doing the
Kevin Bacon game and connecting guys between the two of them,
I mean, we're gonna have a lot of overlap. It's
it's gonna be a pretty easy game. So for for
Aaron Glenn, I mean some of it is don't open

(21:38):
Pandora's box because it begets more questions. Right, It's like
the Jerry and Mulligana kind of conversations we've been having
for the last couple of weeks, Like, all right, as
soon as you go down here, now we've got an
extension there to why Bill Belichick, Greg Popovich, all these guys.
As much as you can be moaned, it's like, ah,

(21:58):
you need better bedside manor we need quotes. There's a
reason you don't give him, right because it begets other
questions and people start inferring things based on tone and
tenor and how brief I don't know, he only spoke
for eight seconds about him there as opposed to twenty
five seconds about that guy last week, Right, So you

(22:19):
just don't open that door and you just let it
be about the game.

Speaker 1 (22:23):
Yeah, there's other ways you could have talked about, Hey,
we know how great a quarterback he is. It didn't
work out for him here, but you know how smart
he is, calm plays that. There's many things you could say,
but it's like Aaron Glenn wants you to know that
there's something. There's a reason why I'm doing this.

Speaker 2 (22:38):
Now, let's go back to the bringing him out there
to do it. And I know Rogers he took that personally,
and he's spoken about it that it's disrespectful to some degree.
I mean, I guess Zoom and whatever would have sufficed.
But there is something to be being told in person. Now,

(22:58):
I get it. It's a fly.

Speaker 1 (23:00):
It's across the three thousand mile flight to be told
we're not doing now. But I don't.

Speaker 2 (23:04):
But I got to imagine there was a larger conversation
that spawned out of it. Versus a They walked in
and said, hey, we just need your key card. We
just wanted you to bring it back because maybe you
would mail it.

Speaker 1 (23:14):
I mean, but this is where. But here's the thing
is that yes, because it's all in how you take it.
Because Aaron Rodgers could have come out and said, you know,
they wanted to do it to me in person, right,
they want to tell me in person if they wanted
to do that, data flown out to see him and
they would have or they would have told they would
have told his agent ahead of time. This is what
is going on. Does Aaron want to come in?

Speaker 3 (23:35):
Do we want it?

Speaker 1 (23:36):
Like you, you would say, hey, you're letting a guy go.
There was a quarterback for a couple of years. He
chose to go there, gave the Jets the line, but
don't you want the meeting? Right? Don't don't you want
the video of that? Come on? Give me that. As
a hardnock, I get that. It's it's all how you
would take you know. It's like when when if you
break up with somebody, are you okay if it's done
via text? Or would you want to be done face
to face? Some people would say no, just give me

(23:56):
the text. Don't make me go all the way out
to dinner that I don't want to go to and
break or say no, don't just send me a text.

Speaker 2 (24:01):
You sit in me here, tell me face to face. Well,
especially if you break up in to dinner now, now
you gotta go have sees.

Speaker 1 (24:06):
I mean that that's you don't know how that's going
to be taken. But the whole fact is that if
they wanted to do it, that there are ways they
could have done it. They could have gone out to
see they could have told his hey, and they decided, no,
we're just going to tell you that you're done. So
I know there's something there. Yeah, I know that's always business,
never personal. But it's contract. It's your livelihood, it's your

(24:26):
your ayahuasca or darkness retreat time or whatever else, your wife,
your relationship, whatever that you've got to take time off.
And let's face it, I mean, maybe he thought there
was going to be some sort of reconciliation in next
chapter there, that they'd figure it out, and then you're
you're cold.

Speaker 2 (24:47):
You're you're cold, and so he didn't drag it out,
and maybe nearly as badly as as it was let
on right of Pittsburgh versus the Jets versus whatever, that
he thought he had the the Ason Hayes that he
was finally going to get in a year two now you.

Speaker 1 (25:02):
Said the phrase right there, it's always business, never personal,
right personal with the Jets and there wonderful we get
the story at some point. But this is what Bill
Belichick did, and a story that came out today that
tells me even more he's not suited to college football
and he will fail. He doesn't get college football. And
this is kind of a fun story. New York Post

(25:24):
had a couple other places had it. A couple of
college football scouts and insiders were talking about how last
night before the game, Belichick put out a depth chart
with nobody on it. Right, Haha, here's Belichick doing his thing,
competitive advantage. Here's a depth chart with nobody on it.
Now it's Pete Thamil who also said, you know, hey,
brought this to everybody's attention. Scouts were kind of laughing
about it. Also said that Belichick restricted information about his

(25:50):
players with pro prospects. Okay, now you can do this
in the NFL, because in the NFL you're a professionals.
It's your team. You're trying to figure out a way
to win. When that's all that matters is the w's
on the scoreboard on a Sunday, That's what matters. Everybody
else is getting paid a lot of money. You're a professional,
you are here. You don't need to know that you're starting.
Doesn't No one needs to know that. I can hide

(26:11):
injuries if I want to. That's the NFL. This is
college football where if you are a starter for North Carolina,
you have NFL future. You potentially have an NFL feud.
Now maybe it's a low round draft pick, maybe it's
undrafted free agent, but you're thinking, I might be able
to play in the NFL. I want to get into
a camp, And all Belichick is doing is hurting those players. Right,

(26:34):
You're not getting a competitive advantage by not putting out
a depth chart. But what you did? You hear the
scouts say no death chart, and the scouts were there
a lot of scouts there to see now more to
see TCU players. But hey, if a North Carolina players
jump off the page, that's great too. But you want
to know who you're watching, and you want to know
going in, Hey what players North Carolina do you have?
But Belichick is so secretive and about about his players

(26:57):
and no depth chart, making it hard for scouts to
look at his players and evaluate them and get them
ready for the NFL. Now, does this mean there's no
way they can evaluate North Carolina players know they would
look at tape. They were able to see that you
figure things out. But the bottom line is Belichick decided
I'm gonna play this petty game that I've played throughout
my career with the depth chart and not talking to

(27:20):
insiders or scouts about my players when that's a thing
that helps my players, that if I really have their
back and I know everything about I know things about
college football, I know, hey, I'm still in theory a
youth coach where these guys have helpes and dreams after
I coach them. You want to help them. You want
to make sure the players know they can trust you

(27:42):
by saying, hey, coach is gonna help me get to
the NFL. All coaches are gonna say you want, I'll
help you get to the NFL. I know scouts, I
can talk to, I know people. I'll send your tape here,
I'll get someone to look at you here, I'll get
this happen. These are all things the players want in
college and this is Bill Belichick playing this petty game
where I did this in the NFL, when all he's
doing is hurting his own players. If I'm a North
Carolina player. After that, I'm like, hey, coach, like you're

(28:05):
gonna help me, right, Like you're gonna help us get there.
I understand we're all trying to win, and I get it.
Number one thing is to win.

Speaker 4 (28:11):
That.

Speaker 1 (28:11):
I understand that. But you're not really getting a competitive
advantage by doing this. All you're doing is being salty
and playing petty games and trolling the media and scouts
for whatever reason. Because you did that in the NFL
for twenty five years and you love being the king.
That's all you've done now is hurt your players and
their future, and you get the players thinking coach doesn't

(28:32):
care about me. He's here for himself and doing his thing.
Maybe he gave him an assignment.

Speaker 2 (28:36):
All right, press people, you figure out who the best
of our defensive tackles are and tell me who should
meet number one on the depth chartventure I just showed
us on campus. We gave you a North Carolina penn
and said, all right, you figure it out. You tell
me what you believe is the depth chart, and I'll
tell you if you're right.

Speaker 1 (28:54):
Jordan and I've been hanging out. I just saw the
team for the first time today, like the first time
at the walkthrough, and so we're just putting guys out there.

Speaker 2 (29:00):
But we watch it at all levels, right of you know,
trying to help guide you know, from club sports, AAU
all that kind of stuff, uh, to where your your
shepherd shepherding to that next phase. And for a college coach,
some of that is I get there's the uh fear
of poaching. Well, that's going to show up in the tape.
There's no hiding uh that Uh. For the college the

(29:23):
pro scouts that are showing up is Bill just still
bitter that he got excluded from that club and so
he's not gonna do anything to help them. But by
the same token, now he's hurting his players in terms
of their prospects. And you know, I don't expect him
to be opening the doors and suddenly giving our long
speeches to everybody like, you know, our cornerback has a

(29:45):
really good shot to be a big piece for you
as a nickelback or whatever, and go on through that
that process. I don't expect necessarily that you know, glowing
review time and again. But your your job's to help
and event you're gonna lose guys because of this because
they're not getting the support they need, which means transfer

(30:06):
portal is gonna be active with North Carolina guys who
are like I have no idea what coach is doing.
I may have bought into the overall vision in terms
of winning or whatever, but I still want to get
my shine because that means nil deals, that means opportunities,
and you know you're gonna have attrition one way or another.
This is only helping the transfer mode and pushing guys

(30:27):
into the portal that you probably want to retain. That
Michael Jordan, Lawrence Taylor, Roy Williams and everybody that's sitting
and shows up that they're going to be more likely
to cut a check to keep those guys around than
the way you played it out here.

Speaker 1 (30:44):
You can't just come in and say we're taking everything
we did in the NFL and doing it here and watch,
we're gonna blow the doors off of college football. It's
a different game. It's a different game, it's a different
way of coaching. The kids are different, the players are different,
how you your status with the players is different, and
everything is different. And Belichick does the average to show
up and do our thing, and boy with my knowledge,

(31:05):
and uh, and and and good players, we're gonna be great. Yeah, no,
not so much. I mean, and this is a small thing,
but it tells me that he's chosen his own, his
own desire to troll the media and scouts whoever else.
He's still playing this, this war against it. He that
he can't stand because he's not in the NFL anymore.
And only he's doing is hurting his players. And and
he had balloons. The balloons look nice though. It looked

(31:29):
like it looked like a prom or homecoming dance. And
and and it was it was, I mean, it.

Speaker 2 (31:33):
Was a nice entry entry way, I mean, nice little
arc in the whole nine yards. But in the end, look,
they may still get to their eight and a half
over over underwing total. But off of that first game,
it's like Hoover looks like a superstar shredding the Belichick defense.
But now you go forward and it's like, wow, what

(31:54):
are what are we looking at here? How disastrous could
this possibly be? He passed uh Urban Meyer Urban from
the pro side, waving at him. Yeah, it didn't work
out so well for me up there? How's it coming
down to this level? Because you know, every one of
those guys wants to take him to the shed. Yeah right,
at every point to say, oh, that's so easy down
here isn't.

Speaker 1 (32:14):
Oh you thought you were gonna okay, let's see you
do it now, seeing that today destined to fail. Time
now to find out what's trending in the wide world
of sports. From someone who blew up every single balloon
at his junior prom without a machine. Really, it's Steve
de seger mung capacity. Still still tired, lad.

Speaker 5 (32:34):
While we're talking football, Ohio State is number one in
the new college football polls, Penn State still number two,
LSU is up to number three in AP Then it's
Georgia at number five.

Speaker 1 (32:42):
Miami.

Speaker 5 (32:43):
The New England Patriots say wide receiver Stefan Diggs wheel
play in the Sunday opener against the Raiders. After last
year's torn ACL Buffalo is signing wide receiver Gabe Davis
to its practice squad after his knee injury last season.
Brown's running back Pierre Strong was waved from injured reserve
Veteran Whiteout Robert was granted his release from the Steelers
practice squad. The Texans gave backup quarterback Davis Mills a

(33:05):
one year extension. The Giants listed rookie quarterback Jackson Dart
as a backup to Russell Wilson. Jamis Winston is listed
as third string. The Bucks gave tackle Luke Gettike a
four year extension. Chargers running back Najie Harris practice fully
after a July fourth eye injury. The Chargers opener is
Friday night in Brazil against the Chiefs. Case Wide receiver

(33:26):
Hollywood Brown practice fully after an ankle injury. At the
US Open tonight, Novak Djokovic advanced to a Friday semifinal
against number two Carlos Alcarez, who also won today. Women's
number four Jessica Pagula won her quarterfinal. She'll next face
number one Arena Sablenka, who advanced when her opponent withdrew
with a knee injury. Venus Williams lost her doubles quarter

(33:47):
final tonight, sweat by the number one seeds. In the
WNBA Phoenix over Indiana eighty five seventy nine. Kaitlin Clark
still out with injuries. There's only a week left in
the regular season. Golden State won sixty six fifty eight
over New York and Hall of Fame College Basketball coach
George Raveling died at the age of eighty eight. The
late night ballgame went to Baltimore sixty two at San Diego.

(34:09):
The Padres are still two and a half games back
at the first place Dodgers in the NL West. LA
was beaten nine to seven at Pittsburgh despite Shoeo tani
forty sixth home run of the year. The Mets Pete
Alonso hit two solo shots. New York won twelve five
at Detroit, winning pitcher Young Nolan mcleain four and oh
Toronto got two home runs from George Springer and won

(34:29):
twelve nine at Cincinnati. The Blue Jays are first in
the AL East and still two and a half games
over the Red Sox and Yankees. Boston won eleven seven
over Cleveland with four runs in the bottom of the eighth.
Yankees were seven to one winners at Houston. Cubs four
to three over Atlanta. Milwaukee was idle. Tampa Bay won
ats fifth in a row, beating Seattle six to five,

(34:50):
even though cal Raley hit his fifty first homer Arizona
and did Texas six game winning streak five to three,
and San Francisco's back over the five hundred mark final
at Colorado. Giants have won nine of ten. Colorado's record
thirty nine and one hundred this season.

Speaker 1 (35:06):
Back to you, I think the Broncos can win more
games than the Rockies this year. I think it's still
not mathematossible. You're going for forty. I think forty for
Bonicks this year. Forty for Bnicks. Yeah, he did have
about that in college.

Speaker 5 (35:18):
You know he played for eight seasons.

Speaker 1 (35:19):
I think, yes, he was a journeyman quarterback in college
and good. Nice to see him get this late in
career success with the Denver Broncos, his eighth team since
twenty seventeen. Thank you, Steve. Though coming up next is
a big superstar about to come back and save their league.
Jason and Mike Fox Sports Radio.

Speaker 3 (35:37):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Jason Smith
Show with Mike Harmon weekdays at ten pm Eastern, seven
pm Pacific, Fox Sports Radio.

Speaker 1 (35:45):
The Jason Smith Show with My best Friend Mike Harmon.
Hippie Kaye, Caitlyn Clark. Is she on her way back?
She didn't sound convincing. She was cleared for five on
oh practice which still means no contact. Oh.

Speaker 2 (36:06):
Here's the question I'll ask the question for a lot
of folks out therehead, do they still miss the layup.

Speaker 1 (36:13):
A couple couple? Look, and if you play five on, oh,
you're gonna win most of your games. Like I'm just
thinking you're gonna you're gonna at least get a couple
of buckets and that that should put it away. Yeah,
you score one to give you the lead, and another
one to say, okay, now that I'm really not coming
back because you never know when you can have an
own bucket, and that might that might hurt you get
that second one. Okay, you're not gonna get two owned

(36:34):
buckets in a game. So all right?

Speaker 2 (36:36):
That did happen in a high school football game where
a guy started running the wrong way?

Speaker 3 (36:40):
No keep going?

Speaker 1 (36:42):
So yeah, she's cleared to be back at that level
of practice, but not cleared for contact yet. Now they
have three games left after tonight, and the season's ending soon,
we're getting ready for the playoffs, and who knows if
she's gonna come back and play it all this year.
Now here's a different take on her other than when
does she come back? Will she come back? And she

(37:04):
needs my advice on this because she has to absolutely
stop yelling at the officials in every game, going off
the bench, getting on the floor, getting in the official's
face and screaming. That's an awful optic for her. She
looks she looks like, she looks like she's just just

(37:24):
just I can't even say. She winds up looking whiny
and someone who just says, hey, I can do whatever
I want to because I'm Caitlin Clark. Like this is
a really big missta. She hasn't had a lot of
misteps because being able to come in and handle the
league and handle her business the way she has when
half the league hates her just because it's been tough.

(37:45):
But she's done that. But this, every time you look
at a Caitlin Clark story the last couple of months,
what's the accompanying video or picture, it's her on the
court screaming at an official. Their last game, not tonight,
the last game against the Sparks. Didn't like a foul
all that was made. And I get it, you don't
like foul calls that were made. Let the coach handle
it right. Let Stephanie White handle that. She has to

(38:06):
be pulled back from the official at the end of
the game because I want to get on the floor
and yell in the officials face. This is a really
bad optic for her. She doesn't look good coming off
of this. And that's the image. If you say, what's
the image of Caitlyn Clark from this year, the first
comes to mind is her on the floor screaming at
the officials. I'm Stephanie White, I'm the Fever. I say, Caitlyn,

(38:28):
where the coach. I love your passion, I love the U.
You really want to do this, but you know what,
You're not coaching. This is my job. Don't get a
technical foul, don't get us teed up in a game
where all of a sudden the refereese decided to do it.
I can't believe the Fever haven't talked her about it.
I can't believe she hasn't gotten teed up by by
any officials yet, who are allowing her to get on

(38:48):
the floor And yeah, that's normally that's a team man
in the NBA. Boo, I don't care who you are.
You're coming off the bench in street clothes. That's a tee, right,
you can't do that. But yet she has this where
I'm gonna come on the Lauren do this because I'm
Caitlin Clark. This is a really big misstep for her man.
And again that's the jet Like when you think of
what you think of Caitlin Clark, everywhere you go, it's

(39:10):
it's the headshot of her with her with her hands out,
screaming at an official or pointing out an official and yelling,
and that's the image, that's the optic that is out
there of her. The last couple of months well.

Speaker 2 (39:21):
Also had the by extension. We already had that when
she was playing, right that the reputation was every piece
of contact, where's my foul call? Berating officials, chasing them
down the court, like we'd already had that as a player.
So now you add that as a de facto coach
in these situations, not helping anything. No, And look, it's

(39:45):
the unfortunate. And I'd be curious the editorial choice to
go and make her look bad when you're giving an
update on her injury.

Speaker 1 (39:55):
And it's her chasing after an official in street looks
pretty good, looks pretty good to make s pretty spry.
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (40:01):
I mean, if if the official decides to, you know,
go in a zigzag pattern, like you know you're trying
to trying to evade any number of wild animals that
they always saying, go zig zag, don't run straight. They'll
be confused if they do that. I don't know what
her cutting ability is at this point.

Speaker 1 (40:18):
Yeah, I gotta watch out for that, but certainly at
this point the fact that editorially that has become the
de facto clip instead of her uh either getting injured, yeah,
or putting up shots or old b role or trying
to get even when they show her, Hey, Kaitlyn Clark
back at practice, Kitlyn Clark doing this, The video was
her screaming at an official. We don't even know, Kaitlyn Clark,

(40:42):
let's go yeah all kind steps, gets off the bench
and screams all the time, yells at the official like,
you know, let the coaches do their job right. No
nobody else does that. Nobody else does that. You're injured,
you're have to get no, No NBA player does. Lebron
doesn't get off the bench and yell again get an
officials faces when the game is he's sitting out, he's
usually not with a team or he's having wine. But

(41:03):
you know he doesn't. I mean, you don't see players
do that. Come on, man, we're having wine. It's it's
in full circle. We started with Charles Woodson, now we
end with other one. You haven't it's benchwine. Oh okay,
it's bench wine. Yeah, it's fine. I mean what you
promoted is that it's a whole on a marketing plan,
exit out vala, Fresca Xit, swollen dome. For Mike, I'm

(41:25):
Jason coming up next to my buddy Ben Mallor. This
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