July 11, 2023 • 41 mins
Jason Smith and Aaron Torres debate if Northwestern should have fired football coach Pat Fitzgerald. The reason current & former players have lit up Bill Belichick. Is Andrew Luck a Hall of Famer? Plus, the Progressive play of the night!
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Speaker 1 (00:29):
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debate on Pat Fitzschail before we get into the night
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that was a great night in Major League Baseball. Look,
the Northwestern football coach gets fired today after reports of
I'm out about widespread hazing on the Northwestern football team,
some of his sexual nature.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
This is it.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
When you're the head coach. Whatever happens is on your watch.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
When you win, when.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
You lose, when discipline needs to happen when it doesn't,
and it's hard to play the I'm the head coach,
I'm in charge of this program, and oh, I'm only
the head coach.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
I don't know anything.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
If this was one case of hazing where it happened once, okay,
I didn't know about this, but this is long spread.
This is a lot of people that I said, oh, yeah,
this happened, and this happened, this happened.
Speaker 4 (01:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
I find a hard time sitting here saying, hey, yes,
the head coach is insulated from it. I really, I mean,
there's there needs to be some kind of of repercussions
for behavior like this. And Northwestern saw the story as
a story that wasn't going to go away, and every
second Patrick Sgerald was the head coach, it was a
bad optic. It was here's the Northwestern universe that is
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allowing a coach who oversaw all kinds of really bad
hazing incidents from going on, and they were never gonna
get out of it. And every time Northwestern University is mentioned,
it's mentioned in a bad way and they didn't want it.
So that's what that's why I understand them firing Pat Fitzgerald,
even though it's much more complicated than this.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
There's many more.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
You know, he's gonna I'm sure he's gonna sue to
try to get is, to try to get money or
whatever it is. It's gonna get really messy for a while.
But Northwestern can sit near and say he's our ex
head coach and anything that comes up, hey, we moved
on from him, you know now. I also find it
tough that you're gonna put the defensive coordinator in charge
when he's on staff.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
This is a I don't know all you need to
name a head coach right now.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
I think you could go outside the school and someone
else has to come in as a head coach. That's
not part of what's going on. So a little bit
of it of a if you're gonna if you're gonna
really walk the walk, you gotta really walk the walk
on this. But outside of that, I get why Northwestern
did what they did.
Speaker 5 (02:57):
So let me ask you another question. So I don't
know if you might cover this a few weeks ago,
but the Atlanta Journal Constitution had a story out about
Georgia football. And I won't bore people with all of
the details, but essentially, which you need to know. Kirby
Smart has allowed eleven players to remain on the team
while they're being investigated for either sexual assault or domestic violence. Now,
(03:22):
to be clear, to be totally fair, there was a
player that was accused of a second sexual assault and
he was thrown off the team. On top of that,
some of the players were eventually cleared of charges. But
you add that in with how about this Jason? Over
three hundred driving related offenses since Kirby Smart took over
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in what was it twenty fifteen, including one that was fatal.
Earlier this year, a Georgia staffer and a player lost
their lives. Is Kirby Smart? Should he be fired?
Speaker 6 (03:56):
You know?
Speaker 5 (03:56):
I mean he has to have a pulse on his team, right,
so I mean should he be fired for that?
Speaker 3 (04:01):
When one thing.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
I've learned, because I'm gonna answer your question with a question,
because because because.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
This is what it sparked to me, is that.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
Schools sometimes will decide whatever they want to decide, regardless
of the information. Sure, right there now, now, while this
is going on, this should be I'm not gonna I'm
not gonna blow off your question.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
This should be, Hey, Kirby Smart. This is a big deal.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
Tom Mizzo should have been let go at Michigan State,
but for some reason, they decided, No, we're backing tom Izzo.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
Did you see all the stuff.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
That's that happened with his players and all the Nope,
we decided to back tom Izzo.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
That was insane.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
About Yeah, Bob Huggins, right, same thing, right, Well, no, No,
we want schools decide what they want because they decide
to do because for whatever reason, No, we decide to
back this coach, right, all the all the embarrassing things
that happened with Rick Patino and Louisville, Nope, we're backing
Rick Patino.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
How can you do this? Nope, because we've decided to
And that's it.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
And and you got to throw your hands up and say,
I can't control what a school decides because they really
want keep a coach even though it makes them look
absolutely awful. No, there should be stuff going on with
Kirby Smart right now. Hey, while this is stuff is
being investigated, Dude, gotta we gotta talk about this. This
has to be something that you're not just gonna sweep
this under the rug. But I can't control Georgia because
they've decided that, yeah, you know, back to back national
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championships is worth whatever else it is. So it's our
But that's how schools respond, which is why seeing a
school like Northwestern who isn't always about wins and losses.
Even though maybe hit Pat Fitzgerald been better. You brought
the point up a few minutes ago. He had been
better the.
Speaker 3 (05:30):
Last couple of years. Maybe he stays, but here's a school.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
It's like, yeah, sports is important to us, but our
reputation is more important because yes, people know us for
sports a little bit, but mainly we're known for academia
and being one of the best schools in the country
for journalism and other things. So yeah, that's more important
to us. So we're making this move right now because
of it.
Speaker 5 (05:49):
Yeah, I think it's a unique deal because it is Northwestern,
and it's funny when you were going through all the schools.
And by the way, I agree, just because one school
does one thing doesn't mean that another squals to do
another thing. What I actually thought of because you kept
saying a few minutes ago that this won't go away,
this won't go away, which I agree with. What this
actually reminds me of in except the school that made
the exact opposite decision was kind of the Brandon Miller
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situation in Alabama, right, I mean there was three four five.
I mean, you can't play them, you can't play you
just can't play them. You gotta sit him, you gotta
sit him. And the school at some point was just
like no, like, we're just moving forward. We had all
this information five six weeks ago, we decided to keep
playing them, and nothing has changed. And that's where I think.
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And you know, we're seeing reports right now that Pat
Fitzgerald is going to fight it in all that or
you know whatever fight I probably to get his money.
I mean, obviously he's not getting his job back, is.
I think that's where his argument is. And he did
release a statement tonight that essentially said exactly what I
just said about Brandon Miller. He said, yeah, we mutually
agreed that I would have a two week suspension last week,
and unilaterally, the school president decided to change that decision
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without you know, without consulting me whatever, blah blah blah
blah blah. I understand the school, the school president is
ultimately his boss, and they don't need he doesn't need
to consult with Pat Fitzgerald. But that's where I you know,
that's where I kind of stand, is not only did
the independent investigation not prove the independent investigation said that
Pat Fitzgerald didn't know, it's also that you made a
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decision on Friday and nothing has changed. The only thing
that has changed, Jason, is to your point, this story
hasn't gone away. And I think the school president, whether
it is because he doesn't know how to handle it
because he doesn't have a backbone, or whether it's because
he point blank just feels like this school puts academics first, puts,
you know, student welfare first. Sports is never going to
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be our top priority. Whatever reason, he did make the
decision to change the initial decision that he had made.
So I guess my frustration and I do agree with
exactly everything that you said from the perspective of every
school is going to make the decision that they deem
as best for them. My two frustrations are, you hire
an independent investigator, they do their job. Pat Fitzgerald is cleared,
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but then on top of that, you make the decision
to suspend him, nothing changes, and you then reverse the
decision and obviously you reverse isn't even the right word.
You escalate the decision to fire him. I can't sit
here and say I feel terrible for Pat Fitzgerald, like
this is the biggest injustice that has ever been served.
(08:19):
But I don't believe based on the information we have
right now, you should have lost his job.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
Twitter at how about a Fresca Aaron and Aaron underscore
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More in this developing story as it goes, because this
is not the last you have heard of this Northwestern
Patrick Gerald story. Meanwhile, tonight, look the baseball world, the
entire world watching the home Run Derby, watching Vladimir Guerrero
hit seventy two home runs to win the home Run Derby.
(08:44):
Forty one home runs hit by Julio Rodriguez in the
first round. He is the only guy to knock out
Pete Alonso, peter A. Lonzo was undefeated against everybody else
in the history of the Home Run Derby except for
Julio Rodriguez forty one home run in the first round.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
This is how that last one sounded.
Speaker 7 (09:04):
Ron Reguez everything ten seconds for mating for rod Reguez,
who's putting on an absolute show. Left center, pulled down
one on the ground and he's done forty one home runs.
Polio Rodriguez, who flecks this now at home.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
Play ESPN on the call and look, it was an
unbelievable show. It was a great ending with Vlad Junior
outlasting Randy Arose Rain.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
It's great.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
And one of the big topics that this comes back
to is you see that, Hey, here's Jay Rod hitting
forty one home runs in the first round. Well, eventually
he's gonna be exhausted, right because you had forty one
home runs in the first round.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
All Right, I'm tired.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
I gotta sit, I gotta wait, I gotta come back.
I gotta sit, I gotta wake it back. You're gonna
be tired. It's gonna be difficult for you to win.
You gotta find a way to well hit twenty five
on runs here and twenty five on runs here and
twenty five runs there.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
You gotta find your way.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
Home run Derby is great and you know you and
I debated why it's been so good compared to the
NBA Slam Done contest. But let me give you this idea.
At you tell me what you think. Ready, let's do
this one year for the home run derby and see
if it gets even better. You have a home run
derby and you have the competitors, and they each get
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twenty swings twenty swings, and we use juiced baseballs for
the entire time, all the juice baseballs that are as
as rocket fueled as they could possibly be the best
most life. However you want to do it, you can
give me. ESPN can do a little bit of a
of a hey here, we're take inside how to juice
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up a baseball really well? They show you all the
different things they can do, and that's your supply of baseballs,
right And the winner of the home run derby is
the guy who it's the longest home run, because that
would be because that's what we watch, right, they have
a bonus right now for a home run four and
forty feet or more, you get extra time on the clock.
And that benefited a couple of people tonight to you know,
as they moved on in the home run derby. So
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why not use juice baseballs and whoever hits the longest
home run? Because then we're getting to the point where
could see like a five hundred foot home run, five
hundred and twenty foot home run, something like that. Let's
have that just once and see how the fans like that.
Speaker 5 (11:14):
It's a very interesting idea.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
I like it.
Speaker 5 (11:18):
No, No, I do like it, and you know, I
do enjoy the home run derby the way that it is.
But I would have no fundamental issue if they decided
to try to change it up, try to do something different,
and I think that's a really unique way of trying
to do it. My only pushback would be, obviously, as
the event goes on. And I'm not saying your idea
is bad. I like the idea. My only thought is
as the event goes on, But it would only be
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one round though, right, It would only be one.
Speaker 3 (11:41):
Round you can give.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
You can give everybody two rounds to go ten swings
and then a break and then ten swings. So do
you give everybody? You know, not one round and you're dumb,
but ten? Everybody gets a couple of chances, you know,
So you do it that way.
Speaker 6 (11:54):
Now.
Speaker 5 (11:54):
The only reason I asked is because if you did two, three,
four rounds whatever, and I know you said when he swings,
so it probably wuldn't be four rounds, But I would
worry that the best home runs would be early in
the event, and then from there guys would get tired
out and and you know, it would kind of fall
off from there. But I like the idea. I think
it's unique. I think it's totally different. And I think, listen,
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I mean, isn't that why we go to the home
run derby or why we watch the home run Derby
to see monster shots? You know, into the night and
you know the iconic moments of this event, right Ken
Gurfey Junior off the warehouse at Campden Yards. I mean,
it's these monster blasts, you know, I can't remember all
of them, with some upper deck shots. So I like it.
I think it's different. I think it's clever. I have
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I have no problem with it at all.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
Jason. You want to see long home right right.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
You don't watch it to see you don't watch it
to watch wall scrapers and.
Speaker 3 (12:42):
All like that, barely back brack brack growing. No, you
want to see something all with Titanic blast. It's out
of the stadium and now.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
And then the ball has a little thing in it
that totally exactly how far it is when it lands.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
Odd it'd be the best. It'd be the best. Are
you kidding?
Speaker 5 (12:58):
I love it, and I, by the way I brought
it up earlier, throwing some metal bats. I want the
ping of or no no, no, no no, that's like the
this is how we do it. This is how we
do it. You do two rounds of of twenty swings total,
so ten swings each, and then much like the what
is it called the money ball in uh In in
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the three point shot? Sure you get I would say,
either anywhere between one and five swings with a metal bats.
So I don't know if it's I don't know if
it's just one, or maybe I like that, or maybe
I like that.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
You get you get to swing, you get a swing
with a metal just one.
Speaker 5 (13:34):
And the old school college ones like with that ping
the one that struck Fear and everybody, and they had
to outlaw because pitchers were their lives were in danger.
So I like it. I'm in. I like I like
the commination. I like the end. I like the end
with the money ball, which is essentially one swing with
the metal bat or five. I'd be happy.
Speaker 8 (13:53):
To Oh, Tawny would have hit it eight thousand feet with.
Speaker 5 (13:56):
The it'd be awesome. Incredib would be it would.
Speaker 8 (13:59):
Be this is a TV show, would be over in
two seconds.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
It would be like the WWE.
Speaker 5 (14:04):
And here he goes, he's asking for the battle bats.
He's asking for the illuminum bat.
Speaker 3 (14:08):
My goodness, here he goes.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
Oh no, I love that idea. I love he's asking
for the illuminum bad or. You have to hit one
a certain number of feet and then you get the
illuminum back. It's kind of like a video game when
you earn enough points to get like the next big weapon,
you know, like, oh you get the big fight, you
get the big flamethrower if you get them ten thousand points.
Speaker 3 (14:27):
No, I like that idea.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
Oh see this works right now, I'm in. We have
to workshop this and send this to Rob Manford because
you know he loves baseball.
Speaker 8 (14:34):
And Jason, here we go. When you say juice baseballs,
you're talking about straight from the Colorado Rockies clubhouse, right.
Speaker 1 (14:40):
Oh hundred percent all humid or made juice bangs. Oh
yeah yeah, and then wound really tight. Oh sure, unless
we're gonna go right to golf balls, just right to
hitting golf balls beats boooo, that's yes, of course, metal band.
Then metal backs for the entire time you're using. I
don't want to see a golf ball without a non
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metal bat now, I want to see the metal bat.
Speaker 3 (15:02):
I had to be best. Yeah, we'd see again.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
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Aaron Torre is in from Mike Harmon tonight, and not
one but to a double barrel of NFL stories come
in your way today won a great Hall of Fame debate,
and one well, let's just say get ready for the
end of Bill Belichick in New England right now. Earlier
(16:55):
today is Santi Samuel whose big time defensive star for
the Patriots during this years of the aughts and into
the teams was the latest person to weigh in on
Bill Belichick and the mismanagement of the Patriots over the
course of the past couple of years, responding to a
post on social media by saying, Hey, if Belichick doesn't
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treat Matt Jones like he's Tom Brady, maybe they could
start winning things. And in and of itself, this is
just something where here's a former player who's upset at
Belichick for whatever reason, because you know, Belichick is not
the warmest, fuzziest guy.
Speaker 3 (17:30):
People like to go to New England because they'd like
to win championships.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
But things have changed, and Belichick's in a do or
die year right now because if he doesn't make the playoffs,
he's out in New England. He will be out. Everything
has changed. He no longer has the backing of everybody
in the organization that whatever he says is gospel. In
the last year, we have seen players both current and pasted,
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criticize him for many different things, whether it's mac Jones saying,
I don't know to call somebody outside the organization because
I don't know what the hell's going on here offensively,
or players like Samuel who are criticizing Belichick.
Speaker 3 (18:08):
Okay, that's one thing. Some players aren't happy. I get it.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
But you have a team that has not achieved at
all since Tom Brady left, and Patriots and their fans
have had to watch Tom Brady go on and win
a Super Bowl and make the playoffs again and have
a deep run and retire while their team looks like,
how are we going to play with one of the
least talented rosters in the National Football League. We don't
have a talented roster. Bill Belichick's personnel decisions have not
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panned out. Bob Craft, who is already antsy and has
talked about making the playoffs and making sure we're showing
signs now, he and Bill Belichick are a bit at
odds over the story a week ago where Belichick said, hey,
we're one of the lowest spending teams in the league,
basically saying, hey, we're not winning because we're not spending
enough money, and Bob Craft has had to jump back
and clap back and say, no, we spent a lot
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of money. We spent a lot of money in the
offseason last year, and they have it's not going Bet
Belichick's way. He no longer has the cachet that he does,
and the level of excellence is not even close anymore.
And you look at a play last year and I
keep going back to when I knew Bill Belichick wasn't
the same guy and has lost a team that ridiculous
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lateral play in Vegas where on the final player regulation,
not overtime where they were losing or something, three players
decide it's okay to throw the football back and try
to score, and they wind up fumbling it and the
Raiders run it in for a touchdown to win the game.
That would never happen on a Belichick team. When you're
talking about what happened in the aughts and the teams
that would never happen, those guys would have all been
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cut the next day if they decided answer. Ramondre Stevenson,
as great a players as he would have been cut.
Jacoby Myers would have been cut. All those guys gone,
gone gone. You wouldn't do it, But these guys did it,
and they kept playing. It's a different time now in
New England, and everybody is antsy, and Belichick no longer
has the answers and I'll tell you at if they
don't make the playoffs this year, it's either going to
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be Belichick walking away at the end or it will
be a oh, a mutual decision for the team to
go on and Belichick will find out if he wants
to coach somewhere else again. But if they don't make
the playoffs, this is Belichick's last year or the Patriots.
Speaker 5 (20:11):
So it sounds I mean, I don't know if it's
even sounds crazy at this point. I guess just what
I would say to that is that any good will
that Bill Belichick had, Like I don't think him and
Craft were particularly close even before this, But the problem
was that he was winning so much that you know,
you don't have to you know, you don't have to
have the greatest relationship with your boss or your co
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workers or or this or that. The problem is that
you were winning so much that it didn't matter. Everybody
was winning, everybody was happy, everyone was having a good time.
And what's obviously changed is that Bill Belichick has not
been winning at a very high level post Tom Brady.
So I don't think it's crazy. I think Craft his
patients is running thin, and I think the bigger thing too, Jason,
that we haven't talked about throughout the show. What could
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happen this year that would give anyone uptimism going forward.
There's nothing Bill O'Brien can do as the offensive coordinator,
I believe, and maybe I'm proven wrong on this. I
don't think I will be. There's nothing Bill O'Brien can
do as the offensive coordinator that's gonna make us think, Okay,
Mac Jones a year from now, even if this season
doesn't go well, is a guy that can compete at
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the highest level with Joe Burrow and Josh Allen in
this conference, Patrick Mahomes, Justin Herbert going forward, Trevor Lawrence.
So that's the bigger problem. You know, Belichick for years
has not drafted well, specifically at the skill positions. Just
not a very talented team across the board. And so
I think that by the way, free agent signings have
not gone well. So I'm going on and on, But
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the point I'm trying to make is I don't think
the relationship was ever that good between Belichick and Craft,
but it was overridden by the fact that they were
winning so much that winning cures all. But now they
don't they probably haven't had a good relationship for a while,
they're not winning, and Jason, if they go seven and whatever,
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seven and ten this year, which seems perfectly reasonable to me,
and that's probably on the high side of what to expect.
What is Bill Belichick go to Robert Craft and say
in terms of, well, if we just do this one thing,
we're good to go during the offseason. I don't think
it's there. They're not a step away. They're not a
player away, they're not a position group away. They're like
a roster away. I mean, they really are, right. I mean,
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you know, you think about I'm just trying to think
off the top of my head. But you know, a
few years ago, Burrow was like, Okay, we got to
show up the offensive line. If we do that, we're
good to go. Certain you know, to a we're gonna
find out if he's a good quarterback because we're gonna
give him all the wide receivers. What is the thing
that is going to happen this year where Bill Belichick
can say, hey, we're this one thing away. I don't
see it, Jason, And because of it, I think your
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proclamation that this very likely is his last year. I
don't think it's shocking at all for you to say.
Speaker 9 (22:49):
That, farewell Bill Belichick. Well, we'll always have the Super
Bolts with Brady. Get ready do or die for Belichick?
We have that big Hall of Fame today bait coming
up in ninety s.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
Belichick first, Okay, I'll give you that he is in
the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 5 (23:05):
Okay, Oh, we're not going to debate that one.
Speaker 3 (23:06):
No, no, no.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
Different guy that we're going to debate Hall of Fame.
But first, Monty Belagos, who is in.
Speaker 3 (23:11):
All of our Halls of Fame? Hall of Fames. I'm
Alls of Fames.
Speaker 10 (23:15):
I'm glad.
Speaker 5 (23:17):
My book, I'm glad my book.
Speaker 11 (23:20):
I'm glad to hear you're not going to debate Bill
Belichick because I would have just stopped you.
Speaker 10 (23:23):
Guys, guys, don't debate that one.
Speaker 5 (23:25):
Do you hear my hot take from Friday?
Speaker 10 (23:27):
What's your hot take from Friday?
Speaker 5 (23:29):
Jokic was ducking Wemby at Summer League. I was like, wait,
we were just coming up with the craziest hot takes
we should come up with, and I was like, why
is yokichen Serbia right now? Is he ducking Wemby? And
then that became like a thing throughout the.
Speaker 3 (23:40):
Show that that was a great hot to. I love
that one.
Speaker 12 (23:42):
Nice he's dunking of My hot take is I don't
get why we're not talking about chet Holmgren when he's
gonna be Rooky of the year.
Speaker 5 (23:49):
I was gonna say, that's my take, skinny seven foot
three guy that we really need to be watching.
Speaker 10 (23:54):
Guess that's what I've been saying.
Speaker 11 (23:56):
And I do think he has a huge advantage when
you sit out in entire year, but on an NBA
team from the sideline.
Speaker 10 (24:03):
You have a massive advantage.
Speaker 5 (24:05):
Well, I told Jason this on what was it Friday
or Thursday, Jason, But like the thing is like everyone's like, oh,
he gained twenty pounds or whatever. This is jet And
it's like part of why he was able to gain
that weight was because he wasn't playing. When you're true,
when you're playing and you're running up and down and
every yes, so many thousands of calories you're burning every day.
(24:25):
It's like, I think that's gonna be the problem with Wenby.
It's like I think people are just like, well, check
gain twenty pounds after a year, So Wemby's going to
and it's like, well, Chet didn't play, he could just
live in the weight room. I don't think Wemby's gonna
be able to do that.
Speaker 11 (24:36):
And Wemby apparently though, eats every time he can, like
he's gonna yeah, yeah, he's every time he can. He eats,
is what he says, Like wake up, I eat right
before practice, I eat, after practice, I eat, I go.
Speaker 10 (24:48):
To bed, I eat.
Speaker 11 (24:49):
Like all he does is eat, and so I don't
know if he's gonna be able to gain the weight.
Speaker 5 (24:54):
That's the thing, like you said, everyone's like, oh, you know,
because this happened with Kad is like, oh, just give
him a year or two. It's like, yeah, Katie's in
like you're fifteen.
Speaker 12 (25:01):
He still hasn't game with so ah, but he looks
better than when he started.
Speaker 10 (25:06):
He does. Yeah, yeah, for sure, for sure.
Speaker 11 (25:09):
Well we'll stay in the NBA for a hot second
because we're not gonna see Victor victor Ian Banyama anymore.
The Spurs are shutting him down for the rest of
summer League. Blazer's GM Joe Cronin did speak to the
media on Monday, and he said that Portland is gonna
be patient when it comes to trading Damian Lillard and.
Speaker 10 (25:25):
If it takes months, then it takes months.
Speaker 11 (25:28):
We did have the Home Run Derby and it's Vladimir
Guerrero Junior who is the champ. Finally, the Toronto Blue
Jays have a champ. It's just fatherlike son, guys, because
sixteen years ago his father won the home run Derby.
The festivities continue on Tuesday with the All Star Game.
It all takes place at e at eight pm Eastern
time on Fox. Yankees Ace Garrett Cole will be the
American League starter and he's gonna take on Arizona Diamondback
(25:51):
starter Zach Gallen.
Speaker 10 (25:53):
And you guys already talked about it.
Speaker 12 (25:54):
But Northwestern University has fired their football coach Pat Fitzgerald
following allegations of hazing in the p and a culture
of enabling racism. The Jacksonville Jaguars have assigned free agent
tight end Josh Peterson, who was the son of head
coach Doug Peterson. He also played in the USFL. And
like little Wimbledon, check guys, we have wimbled. Wimbledon still
(26:15):
going on. So on Monday, top seed Carlos Alcaraz He's
advancing to the quarterfinals with the four set victory.
Speaker 10 (26:21):
As did Novak Djokovic.
Speaker 12 (26:23):
But we got to talk about American player Chris Eubanks.
Nobody knows who he is. We shouldn't know who he is,
but he just had a mega upset over fifth seeded
step finals.
Speaker 10 (26:32):
I don't know how to say it, but you get it.
You guys get it.
Speaker 8 (26:34):
Sopos that one, Yeah, say it?
Speaker 10 (26:38):
Cypas Citypas sure.
Speaker 5 (26:40):
That like how you pronounced it? Sounds like calling for
a cast.
Speaker 11 (26:46):
And American Madison Keys on the ladies side, she's also
advancing to the quarter finals.
Speaker 10 (26:52):
Fellas, it's been fun.
Speaker 3 (26:54):
Thank you very much.
Speaker 10 (26:54):
I'm very impressed. Jason.
Speaker 11 (26:57):
Not only does he speak Spanish, he also can speak.
Speaker 10 (27:00):
Like Scooby Doo.
Speaker 12 (27:00):
Dude's Hall of Fame right here, Hall of Famer.
Speaker 5 (27:05):
That's a superhero right there, Jayson Smith.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
That's Scooby Doo in Spanish right there, Boom right there.
Speaker 5 (27:20):
Even real Scooby do isn't bilingual, so maybe he is.
Speaker 10 (27:23):
Maybe he does.
Speaker 5 (27:24):
Nick Caslanos, now think that you're a superhero, Jason.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
You know what we're gonna get. We're gonna get to
that in the play of the night. Don't worry, we
won't get to that in the play of the night dress.
Speaker 5 (27:32):
Casilano's talking about you. That's cool, it feels like it.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
So earlier in the show, we talked to Jason lock
And fora NFL Insider Odyssey Washington Post. You know, hear
him on the show every week with us. And earlier
today a debate came up. It was a great debate
because it's a Hall of Fame debate that I loved
because it was is Andrew lucka Hall of Famer? Because
it was put out on social media. Hey, this year,
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here are some new players who are going to be
eligible for the Hall of Fame. And Andrew Luck retired
in twenty eighteen, so this year, yeah, he'll be up
in on a nice, fun July day or waiting for
teams to show up at training camp.
Speaker 3 (28:11):
Is Andrew Luck a Hall of Famer?
Speaker 1 (28:13):
Came up? And here was Jason Locking for his answer.
Let's just say he agrees with me a little bit.
Speaker 13 (28:19):
Come on, man, this is just because it's July and
there's no deflate gate this year, and there's no bounty
gate this year, or there's no you know, there's no
Deshaun Watson waiting on us. You know, discipline, there's nothing
going on. I mean that's that. This is that we
were in the twelve to fifteen day stretch where possibly
(28:41):
nothing happens in the NFL, and then what veterans report
around the twenty fifth, twenty six most places, and away
we go. There is no there's there's no debate here.
Speaker 6 (28:51):
The honky kunk man himself, Jim Mersey, would he even
try to make.
Speaker 13 (28:54):
The case that Andrew Luck's a Hall of Famer?
Speaker 14 (28:57):
I mean, how can you even like? This isn't Sandy Kofax,
you know what I mean? The guy came in, played
five or six years, was hurt a ton in the
last two or three? What are we talking about? Like
hall of fame? He wouldn't even be on all decade team.
How can this be at debate?
Speaker 5 (29:17):
I mean, I would debate he was one of the best.
I mean if he if he has to retire because
of literal injuries that don't allow him to play as
opposed to retiring on his own recognisance, you don't think
there would be a healthy conversation about it.
Speaker 6 (29:31):
Jason, what's the signature moment of his career?
Speaker 5 (29:34):
I mean he went to what four playoff appearances?
Speaker 1 (29:38):
Okay, the comeback the comeback win, the comeback win against
the Chiefs.
Speaker 3 (29:42):
That's probably it, okay, other than nocuse. Look, I'm with you.
I don't think he's a Hall of Famer. He's he's
very good.
Speaker 14 (29:50):
And played into his second contract.
Speaker 1 (29:52):
I mean, you know what, he was great at my
favorite and Luck was always boy the culture losing forty
one to ten in the third quarter and then the
final score to be like forty five thirty one, and
he would end up with four touchdowns and three hundred
and fifty yards like but the look, but the.
Speaker 3 (30:06):
Game was over.
Speaker 1 (30:06):
It was forty one to ten in the third quarter,
and he gets like three garbage touchdowns in.
Speaker 3 (30:10):
The fourth quarter.
Speaker 6 (30:11):
I think he's a hell of a player. I mean,
if you want to make an argument, you think he
was on possibly a potential Hall of Fame Marc. I
mean i'd say, well, probably still a little premature, but maybe.
I mean it's possible. But no, I don't, I don't
know how Like no, I just don't see it. I mean,
(30:38):
I know I'm not feeling it.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
So Jason lockerforward does not agree with you, Aeron Torres,
because I know you like Luck for the Hall of Fame,
and I could I could make an argument form if
for his six years and he was in the league,
he was great for all of them, but he was
only great for.
Speaker 5 (30:57):
Half the time.
Speaker 3 (30:58):
I mean, I can't.
Speaker 1 (30:59):
I can't put him in the Hall of Fame because
he had a good rookie year, right, twenty three touchdowns,
eighteen picks. It was different because other rookies have come
in and not played as well. And you know, look
guys like Zach Wilson come in and throw six touchdowns
over sixteen games, but still that's not a great year.
His second year was an okay, you're still only through
twenty three touchdowns through less picks, but that's not Hall
of fame. Then he wound up having two phenomenal years
(31:22):
and one really good one right where he had forty
touchdowns thirty nine touchdowns and the really good was thirty
one and thirteen through a lot of picks. But okay,
I don't really care that much about the interceptions.
Speaker 3 (31:32):
But the other years.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
Then he had a year who was fifteen touchdowns and
twelve picks in seven games. It was just an okay year.
His overall quarterback rating isn't even ninety. I mean that,
you know, there's you have a quarterback rating of ninety
in the NFL right now, you are not holding onto
your job. You're getting benched. If your quarterback rating is NINETYX,
I mean you're not you're not playing well. I really
have a hard time putting him in. If he had
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six great years and he walked away, Okay, I would say,
you're right. If he had six years and four if
he he had of the three years he had, right,
he had the two great years, I said, off forty
and thirty nine touchdowns at thirty one touchdowns. If he
had two years of forty touchdowns, two years of thirty
nine and two years to thirty one, Yes, hall of Famer.
I'd put him in. I say yes, But that was
only half his career and he got hurt and he
(32:16):
decided to leave early. So yeah, I don't see there
any way that I could put him in the Hall
of Fame. And I feel like the two groups of
people that are discussing him for the Hall of Fame
are either people who just liked him because he has
a great image. We talked about his image. He has
one of those images that fans and the media just
seemed to love. He could do no wrong or if
(32:37):
you're looking for the you know, hey, here's two sides
of a story, and I'll take the tiny, the tiniest
one of it. Even though like ninety five percent say
no Hall of Fame, I'll take the five percent that
say yes, Hall of Fame because I'll stand out for it.
Speaker 3 (32:50):
It's hard for me to see it. I know you
have some different things on it, but it's hard for
me to see that.
Speaker 5 (32:55):
Yeah. First of all, I am the maybe the small
percent that doesn't really love him, nor do I loathe
him for deciding to retire when he obviously still could
have kept playing. You know, first of all, he did
have a couple of great years. You know, I just
looked it up. There's only nine quarterbacks besides him that
have thrown for forty touchdowns in a season. I know,
(33:15):
part of it is the era that we're playing in,
and you know, if he played in nineteen sixty eight,
you know whatever, he wouldn't have done that. But the
point remains, I mean, all those guys are essentially Hall
of famers, Dan Marino, Aaron Rodgers, Drew Brees, Peyton Manning,
Tom Brady, guys like that. And I just sit there
and say like like to me in that very narrow window.
(33:37):
Was he one of the dudes? I think he was.
I think he had less talent around him than virtually
all of these guys that were talking about from his
own era. Made the playoffs four times and essentially five
seasons that he was full, health fully healthy AFC Championship game.
And there have been other great players who have retired
early in their careers that we never questioned it. Calvin
(33:57):
Johnson went into the Hall of Fame a few years ago.
Jim Brown obviously, you know, unfortunately recently passed away. But
this was a conversation throughout his life. Is he stepped
away from football at twenty nine, thirty years old. And
so I just sit there and say, I get your
point that we can't project out how great he could
have been if he kept playing. But I'm not going
to hold it against him that he chose actively to leave.
(34:19):
What he did in his very small window of time,
he was amongst the best. I believe he should be
a Hall of Famer.
Speaker 1 (34:26):
Twitter at how about a Fresca Aaron and Aaron underscore
Torres Andrew Lack hall of Famer?
Speaker 3 (34:30):
Oh I love this debate.
Speaker 1 (34:32):
Coming up next we have the Play of the Night
coming your way, Hey, which may be the greatest debate
we've had on this show over the course of the
past couple of weeks.
Speaker 3 (34:40):
Keep it right here, Jason Smith. Aeron Torre is in
for Mike Carmon. This is Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (34:46):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Jason Smith
Show with Mike Harmon weekdays at ten pm Eastern seven
pm Pacific.
Speaker 15 (34:53):
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Maller with mean a lot to have you join us
on our weekly auditory journey.
Speaker 4 (35:00):
You're asking, what in God's name is the Fifth Hour.
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Speaker 1 (35:25):
Fox Sports Radio. The Jason Smith Show with Aaron Torres
in for Mike Harmon. And before we get to the
Play of the Night, you know I hate to say.
Speaker 3 (35:33):
I told you so, but I really don't know you
don't you? No, No, not really, nah, I don't really.
Speaker 1 (35:39):
On Friday Night, we told you. Look, this is how
the Damian Lillard story is going to end. He's going
to get his trade to Miami, but it's gonna take
a while because Miami doesn't have enough to give the
Blazers back what they want.
Speaker 3 (35:51):
They want a lot right now.
Speaker 1 (35:52):
They want two really good young players and draft picks
and a couple of other additional players. They're not going
to get that. They're throwing out there seeing what they're there.
They're going fishing, and the Heat don't have what they
want because the Blazers don't want Tyler Hero or his
bucket hat. They want neither of those. So it's gonna
take a little while. We told you it may take
the rest of the summer into the fall, because they're
(36:14):
gonna have to find not just a third team, but
maybe a fourth team who's looking to move on from
a contract to make something happen, because that will be
able to get the Blazers the one really good young
player or two young players they want, and Lillard will
wind up with the Heat As a result, it's going
to happen, but it's gonna take a while. It's not
gonna happen right away. Well, what do we find out today?
(36:36):
According to Blazers GM Joe Cronin, the trade of Damian
Lillard could take days, weeks, months, It could take months
to complete. I think what I've learned more than anything
is patients is critical. Don't be reactive. Don't jump at
things just to seemingly solve a problem. We told you
I could be an NBA insider, erintorius. I don't need
(36:58):
to be Adrian waj Jerowski anybody else. I get to say, hey,
I'm smart, I know what's going on. I know how
this is gonna go. I know what the heat roster
looks like. I know what they can and can't give.
This is gonna take a while, it's gonna take a
third team, it's gonna take a few months.
Speaker 3 (37:10):
Boom here, I am. I should be NBA insider.
Speaker 5 (37:13):
I mean, you gave yourself seven different titles with that,
while also being humble and saying I didn't want to
tell you that I was one hundred percent correct on this,
but I was.
Speaker 4 (37:24):
No.
Speaker 5 (37:27):
You're right, though, you're right, and you you've been right
because you did call this out on Friday night, and
it's one where I think that you know, in the
world that we live in, in this debate world of sports,
talk ate like like you have to pick aside your
team Dame, your team Blazers, and like I get both sides.
Like if your Dame, you're sitting there saying I've been
(37:49):
here eight, ten, twelve years, whatever it's been. I've been
a good soldier. I've done everything that's asked. I've gone
through two, three, four, you know, rebirths of this organization
under your watch. I've given you the benefit of the
time and time again you let me down. And I
don't want to go to Philadelphia to this place, to
that place. I don't care if this team offers you this,
I'm not gonna report. I get where Dame Lillard has
(38:11):
two three years left of his prime, if that he says,
I want a chance to compete at the highest level
with the guys that I want to compete with. But
I also understand exactly what Joe Cronin said on on
on Monday Monday afternoon, which is like, hey, we got
to do what's best for this organization, Dame. We appreciate
everything that you've done, but at the same time, it
is also on us to do what's best for this
organization once you leave.
Speaker 3 (38:31):
Jason, Yeah, what you got, Frostberg.
Speaker 8 (38:33):
If you're an NBA insider, I have your first breaking story.
Speaker 3 (38:36):
Okay, what is it? What do you got? You gotta you.
Speaker 8 (38:39):
Gotta get the James Harden the Necks out there.
Speaker 3 (38:41):
I no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no no.
Speaker 8 (38:43):
I gotta break that story.
Speaker 3 (38:44):
If you're an NBA inside, I'm gonna put it out there.
It's not happening.
Speaker 8 (38:46):
No, we're not the first story you gotta break.
Speaker 1 (38:49):
No, no, no, James Hardens Harden to the Knicks is
not happening. I gotta put that. No, that's a breaking story.
If I put it out there, they are not going
to trade for James Harden.
Speaker 5 (38:57):
Well, I think you did just break your first story.
And that said, it's been well documented that the heat
that the Portland Trailblazers don't want Tyler Hero. I have
yet to hear anyone talk about the bucket hat until
you just said it. You said they don't want Tyler
Hero or his bucket hat. So that was news to me.
I think that's your first scoop. Officially.
Speaker 3 (39:14):
All right, fine, there we go.
Speaker 1 (39:16):
I got it, all right, very good, all right, so
that'll be my first tweet.
Speaker 3 (39:19):
But James Harden is not a Nick Harden.
Speaker 13 (39:21):
Not.
Speaker 1 (39:21):
I gotta and you know what I gotta like how
people sign their emails and text with the same with
the saying like hey, you know, don't be don't fall asleep.
Speaker 3 (39:30):
You know, the early bird gets the worm.
Speaker 1 (39:32):
I gotta sign it with It's just gonna sit there
and say, James Harden's not gonna be a nick not
gonna be a knock beat. Time now for the Play
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(39:53):
comes to us courtesy of Nick Costianos, and no, not
that Nick Costeano's play. In advance of the All Star
he was asked a very important question about superheroes, and
he responded with this.
Speaker 16 (40:06):
Everyone was asked their favorite superheroes. You said, Scooby Doo. Sure,
I didn't realize Scooby Doo was a superhero. Can you
kind of explain his superhero lore?
Speaker 17 (40:14):
I mean, well, first off, he's a dog, right, and
he can talk fair enough, okay, and and he saves
he solves mysteries. So I think that a dog that
can talk and helps people by saving, by solving mysteries,
I think is a superhero.
Speaker 16 (40:33):
Checks off all the superhero box. It says special skills
and he helps people.
Speaker 3 (40:37):
Correct checks all the superhero box. He's a talking dog.
That should be the end.
Speaker 1 (40:41):
You're a super if you're a talking dog, one hundred percent.
And though all Hawkeye does is shoot a bow and
arrow and he's an Avenger, all right, we can have
you know, guys, I'm a bow an hour away from
being Hawkeye. So you know, know, if he's a talking
dog and he solves mysteries, he's a superhero. He can
take Hawkeye's place in the Avengers. Hawkeye and Natasha both
their places. He could take in the Avengers because he's
(41:03):
he's got a superhero powers and they don't.
Speaker 5 (41:04):
But it's because he solves crimes too, because like Brian
the dog on Family Guy, he can talk, but he's
not a superhero, right.
Speaker 1 (41:11):
Right, right, But like like like Ted's not like Ted's
not a superhero. I mean, come on, he just sits
around and does nothing. No, no, no, you gotta actually do.
You have to have a superpower and you got to
do something for the power of goods too.
Speaker 3 (41:23):
Oh well, yeah, but he's not. He's that's a detective.
Speaker 7 (41:26):
If I pride myself and think of myself as a
stop man of faith.
Speaker 5 (41:37):
Just a guy never stops being funny.
Speaker 3 (41:40):
My goodness.
Speaker 1 (41:41):
Our best of podcast goes up in about ten minutes
on iTunes wherever you listen to to the show, get
your podcast, it's there. The Jason Smith Show with Mike
Carmon at awesome, Thank you so much. Lastly, nights Man,
as the Mets continue to play, We'll talk.
Speaker 5 (41:55):
I appreciate you.
Speaker 3 (41:56):
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debate on Pat Fitzschail before we get into the night
(00:53):
that was a great night in Major League Baseball. Look,
the Northwestern football coach gets fired today after reports of
I'm out about widespread hazing on the Northwestern football team,
some of his sexual nature.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
This is it.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
When you're the head coach. Whatever happens is on your watch.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
When you win, when.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
You lose, when discipline needs to happen when it doesn't,
and it's hard to play the I'm the head coach,
I'm in charge of this program, and oh, I'm only
the head coach.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
I don't know anything.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
If this was one case of hazing where it happened once, okay,
I didn't know about this, but this is long spread.
This is a lot of people that I said, oh, yeah,
this happened, and this happened, this happened.
Speaker 4 (01:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
I find a hard time sitting here saying, hey, yes,
the head coach is insulated from it. I really, I mean,
there's there needs to be some kind of of repercussions
for behavior like this. And Northwestern saw the story as
a story that wasn't going to go away, and every
second Patrick Sgerald was the head coach, it was a
bad optic. It was here's the Northwestern universe that is
(02:00):
allowing a coach who oversaw all kinds of really bad
hazing incidents from going on, and they were never gonna
get out of it. And every time Northwestern University is mentioned,
it's mentioned in a bad way and they didn't want it.
So that's what that's why I understand them firing Pat Fitzgerald,
even though it's much more complicated than this.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
There's many more.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
You know, he's gonna I'm sure he's gonna sue to
try to get is, to try to get money or
whatever it is. It's gonna get really messy for a while.
But Northwestern can sit near and say he's our ex
head coach and anything that comes up, hey, we moved
on from him, you know now. I also find it
tough that you're gonna put the defensive coordinator in charge
when he's on staff.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
This is a I don't know all you need to
name a head coach right now.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
I think you could go outside the school and someone
else has to come in as a head coach. That's
not part of what's going on. So a little bit
of it of a if you're gonna if you're gonna
really walk the walk, you gotta really walk the walk
on this. But outside of that, I get why Northwestern
did what they did.
Speaker 5 (02:57):
So let me ask you another question. So I don't
know if you might cover this a few weeks ago,
but the Atlanta Journal Constitution had a story out about
Georgia football. And I won't bore people with all of
the details, but essentially, which you need to know. Kirby
Smart has allowed eleven players to remain on the team
while they're being investigated for either sexual assault or domestic violence. Now,
(03:22):
to be clear, to be totally fair, there was a
player that was accused of a second sexual assault and
he was thrown off the team. On top of that,
some of the players were eventually cleared of charges. But
you add that in with how about this Jason? Over
three hundred driving related offenses since Kirby Smart took over
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in what was it twenty fifteen, including one that was fatal.
Earlier this year, a Georgia staffer and a player lost
their lives. Is Kirby Smart? Should he be fired?
Speaker 6 (03:56):
You know?
Speaker 5 (03:56):
I mean he has to have a pulse on his team, right,
so I mean should he be fired for that?
Speaker 3 (04:01):
When one thing.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
I've learned, because I'm gonna answer your question with a question,
because because because.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
This is what it sparked to me, is that.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
Schools sometimes will decide whatever they want to decide, regardless
of the information. Sure, right there now, now, while this
is going on, this should be I'm not gonna I'm
not gonna blow off your question.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
This should be, Hey, Kirby Smart. This is a big deal.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
Tom Mizzo should have been let go at Michigan State,
but for some reason, they decided, No, we're backing tom Izzo.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
Did you see all the stuff.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
That's that happened with his players and all the Nope,
we decided to back tom Izzo.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
That was insane.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
About Yeah, Bob Huggins, right, same thing, right, Well, no, No,
we want schools decide what they want because they decide
to do because for whatever reason, No, we decide to
back this coach, right, all the all the embarrassing things
that happened with Rick Patino and Louisville, Nope, we're backing
Rick Patino.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
How can you do this? Nope, because we've decided to
And that's it.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
And and you got to throw your hands up and say,
I can't control what a school decides because they really
want keep a coach even though it makes them look
absolutely awful. No, there should be stuff going on with
Kirby Smart right now. Hey, while this is stuff is
being investigated, Dude, gotta we gotta talk about this. This
has to be something that you're not just gonna sweep
this under the rug. But I can't control Georgia because
they've decided that, yeah, you know, back to back national
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championships is worth whatever else it is. So it's our
But that's how schools respond, which is why seeing a
school like Northwestern who isn't always about wins and losses.
Even though maybe hit Pat Fitzgerald been better. You brought
the point up a few minutes ago. He had been
better the.
Speaker 3 (05:30):
Last couple of years. Maybe he stays, but here's a school.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
It's like, yeah, sports is important to us, but our
reputation is more important because yes, people know us for
sports a little bit, but mainly we're known for academia
and being one of the best schools in the country
for journalism and other things. So yeah, that's more important
to us. So we're making this move right now because
of it.
Speaker 5 (05:49):
Yeah, I think it's a unique deal because it is Northwestern,
and it's funny when you were going through all the schools.
And by the way, I agree, just because one school
does one thing doesn't mean that another squals to do
another thing. What I actually thought of because you kept
saying a few minutes ago that this won't go away,
this won't go away, which I agree with. What this
actually reminds me of in except the school that made
the exact opposite decision was kind of the Brandon Miller
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situation in Alabama, right, I mean there was three four five.
I mean, you can't play them, you can't play you
just can't play them. You gotta sit him, you gotta
sit him. And the school at some point was just
like no, like, we're just moving forward. We had all
this information five six weeks ago, we decided to keep
playing them, and nothing has changed. And that's where I think.
(06:32):
And you know, we're seeing reports right now that Pat
Fitzgerald is going to fight it in all that or
you know whatever fight I probably to get his money.
I mean, obviously he's not getting his job back, is.
I think that's where his argument is. And he did
release a statement tonight that essentially said exactly what I
just said about Brandon Miller. He said, yeah, we mutually
agreed that I would have a two week suspension last week,
and unilaterally, the school president decided to change that decision
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without you know, without consulting me whatever, blah blah blah
blah blah. I understand the school, the school president is
ultimately his boss, and they don't need he doesn't need
to consult with Pat Fitzgerald. But that's where I you know,
that's where I kind of stand, is not only did
the independent investigation not prove the independent investigation said that
Pat Fitzgerald didn't know, it's also that you made a
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decision on Friday and nothing has changed. The only thing
that has changed, Jason, is to your point, this story
hasn't gone away. And I think the school president, whether
it is because he doesn't know how to handle it
because he doesn't have a backbone, or whether it's because
he point blank just feels like this school puts academics first, puts,
you know, student welfare first. Sports is never going to
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be our top priority. Whatever reason, he did make the
decision to change the initial decision that he had made.
So I guess my frustration and I do agree with
exactly everything that you said from the perspective of every
school is going to make the decision that they deem
as best for them. My two frustrations are, you hire
an independent investigator, they do their job. Pat Fitzgerald is cleared,
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but then on top of that, you make the decision
to suspend him, nothing changes, and you then reverse the
decision and obviously you reverse isn't even the right word.
You escalate the decision to fire him. I can't sit
here and say I feel terrible for Pat Fitzgerald, like
this is the biggest injustice that has ever been served.
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But I don't believe based on the information we have
right now, you should have lost his job.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
Twitter at how about a Fresca Aaron and Aaron underscore
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More in this developing story as it goes, because this
is not the last you have heard of this Northwestern
Patrick Gerald story. Meanwhile, tonight, look the baseball world, the
entire world watching the home Run Derby, watching Vladimir Guerrero
hit seventy two home runs to win the home Run Derby.
(08:44):
Forty one home runs hit by Julio Rodriguez in the
first round. He is the only guy to knock out
Pete Alonso, peter A. Lonzo was undefeated against everybody else
in the history of the Home Run Derby except for
Julio Rodriguez forty one home run in the first round.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
This is how that last one sounded.
Speaker 7 (09:04):
Ron Reguez everything ten seconds for mating for rod Reguez,
who's putting on an absolute show. Left center, pulled down
one on the ground and he's done forty one home runs.
Polio Rodriguez, who flecks this now at home.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
Play ESPN on the call and look, it was an
unbelievable show. It was a great ending with Vlad Junior
outlasting Randy Arose Rain.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
It's great.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
And one of the big topics that this comes back
to is you see that, Hey, here's Jay Rod hitting
forty one home runs in the first round. Well, eventually
he's gonna be exhausted, right because you had forty one
home runs in the first round.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
All Right, I'm tired.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
I gotta sit, I gotta wait, I gotta come back.
I gotta sit, I gotta wake it back. You're gonna
be tired. It's gonna be difficult for you to win.
You gotta find a way to well hit twenty five
on runs here and twenty five on runs here and
twenty five runs there.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
You gotta find your way.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
Home run Derby is great and you know you and
I debated why it's been so good compared to the
NBA Slam Done contest. But let me give you this idea.
At you tell me what you think. Ready, let's do
this one year for the home run derby and see
if it gets even better. You have a home run
derby and you have the competitors, and they each get
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twenty swings twenty swings, and we use juiced baseballs for
the entire time, all the juice baseballs that are as
as rocket fueled as they could possibly be the best
most life. However you want to do it, you can
give me. ESPN can do a little bit of a
of a hey here, we're take inside how to juice
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up a baseball really well? They show you all the
different things they can do, and that's your supply of baseballs,
right And the winner of the home run derby is
the guy who it's the longest home run, because that
would be because that's what we watch, right, they have
a bonus right now for a home run four and
forty feet or more, you get extra time on the clock.
And that benefited a couple of people tonight to you know,
as they moved on in the home run derby. So
(10:59):
why not use juice baseballs and whoever hits the longest
home run? Because then we're getting to the point where
could see like a five hundred foot home run, five
hundred and twenty foot home run, something like that. Let's
have that just once and see how the fans like that.
Speaker 5 (11:14):
It's a very interesting idea.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
I like it.
Speaker 5 (11:18):
No, No, I do like it, and you know, I
do enjoy the home run derby the way that it is.
But I would have no fundamental issue if they decided
to try to change it up, try to do something different,
and I think that's a really unique way of trying
to do it. My only pushback would be, obviously, as
the event goes on. And I'm not saying your idea
is bad. I like the idea. My only thought is
as the event goes on, But it would only be
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one round though, right, It would only be one.
Speaker 3 (11:41):
Round you can give.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
You can give everybody two rounds to go ten swings
and then a break and then ten swings. So do
you give everybody? You know, not one round and you're dumb,
but ten? Everybody gets a couple of chances, you know,
So you do it that way.
Speaker 6 (11:54):
Now.
Speaker 5 (11:54):
The only reason I asked is because if you did two, three,
four rounds whatever, and I know you said when he swings,
so it probably wuldn't be four rounds, But I would
worry that the best home runs would be early in
the event, and then from there guys would get tired
out and and you know, it would kind of fall
off from there. But I like the idea. I think
it's unique. I think it's totally different. And I think, listen,
(12:15):
I mean, isn't that why we go to the home
run derby or why we watch the home run Derby
to see monster shots? You know, into the night and
you know the iconic moments of this event, right Ken
Gurfey Junior off the warehouse at Campden Yards. I mean,
it's these monster blasts, you know, I can't remember all
of them, with some upper deck shots. So I like it.
I think it's different. I think it's clever. I have
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I have no problem with it at all.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
Jason. You want to see long home right right.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
You don't watch it to see you don't watch it
to watch wall scrapers and.
Speaker 3 (12:42):
All like that, barely back brack brack growing. No, you
want to see something all with Titanic blast. It's out
of the stadium and now.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
And then the ball has a little thing in it
that totally exactly how far it is when it lands.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
Odd it'd be the best. It'd be the best. Are
you kidding?
Speaker 5 (12:58):
I love it, and I, by the way I brought
it up earlier, throwing some metal bats. I want the
ping of or no no, no, no no, that's like the
this is how we do it. This is how we
do it. You do two rounds of of twenty swings total,
so ten swings each, and then much like the what
is it called the money ball in uh In in
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the three point shot? Sure you get I would say,
either anywhere between one and five swings with a metal bats.
So I don't know if it's I don't know if
it's just one, or maybe I like that, or maybe
I like that.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
You get you get to swing, you get a swing
with a metal just one.
Speaker 5 (13:34):
And the old school college ones like with that ping
the one that struck Fear and everybody, and they had
to outlaw because pitchers were their lives were in danger.
So I like it. I'm in. I like I like
the commination. I like the end. I like the end
with the money ball, which is essentially one swing with
the metal bat or five. I'd be happy.
Speaker 8 (13:53):
To Oh, Tawny would have hit it eight thousand feet with.
Speaker 5 (13:56):
The it'd be awesome. Incredib would be it would.
Speaker 8 (13:59):
Be this is a TV show, would be over in
two seconds.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
It would be like the WWE.
Speaker 5 (14:04):
And here he goes, he's asking for the battle bats.
He's asking for the illuminum bat.
Speaker 3 (14:08):
My goodness, here he goes.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
Oh no, I love that idea. I love he's asking
for the illuminum bad or. You have to hit one
a certain number of feet and then you get the
illuminum back. It's kind of like a video game when
you earn enough points to get like the next big weapon,
you know, like, oh you get the big fight, you
get the big flamethrower if you get them ten thousand points.
Speaker 3 (14:27):
No, I like that idea.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
Oh see this works right now, I'm in. We have
to workshop this and send this to Rob Manford because
you know he loves baseball.
Speaker 8 (14:34):
And Jason, here we go. When you say juice baseballs,
you're talking about straight from the Colorado Rockies clubhouse, right.
Speaker 1 (14:40):
Oh hundred percent all humid or made juice bangs. Oh
yeah yeah, and then wound really tight. Oh sure, unless
we're gonna go right to golf balls, just right to
hitting golf balls beats boooo, that's yes, of course, metal band.
Then metal backs for the entire time you're using. I
don't want to see a golf ball without a non
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metal bat now, I want to see the metal bat.
Speaker 3 (15:02):
I had to be best. Yeah, we'd see again.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
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Speaker 1 (16:33):
Fox Sports Radio The Jason Smith Show with Mike Harmon.
Aaron Torre is in from Mike Harmon tonight, and not
one but to a double barrel of NFL stories come
in your way today won a great Hall of Fame debate,
and one well, let's just say get ready for the
end of Bill Belichick in New England right now. Earlier
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today is Santi Samuel whose big time defensive star for
the Patriots during this years of the aughts and into
the teams was the latest person to weigh in on
Bill Belichick and the mismanagement of the Patriots over the
course of the past couple of years, responding to a
post on social media by saying, Hey, if Belichick doesn't
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treat Matt Jones like he's Tom Brady, maybe they could
start winning things. And in and of itself, this is
just something where here's a former player who's upset at
Belichick for whatever reason, because you know, Belichick is not
the warmest, fuzziest guy.
Speaker 3 (17:30):
People like to go to New England because they'd like
to win championships.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
But things have changed, and Belichick's in a do or
die year right now because if he doesn't make the playoffs,
he's out in New England. He will be out. Everything
has changed. He no longer has the backing of everybody
in the organization that whatever he says is gospel. In
the last year, we have seen players both current and pasted,
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criticize him for many different things, whether it's mac Jones saying,
I don't know to call somebody outside the organization because
I don't know what the hell's going on here offensively,
or players like Samuel who are criticizing Belichick.
Speaker 3 (18:08):
Okay, that's one thing. Some players aren't happy. I get it.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
But you have a team that has not achieved at
all since Tom Brady left, and Patriots and their fans
have had to watch Tom Brady go on and win
a Super Bowl and make the playoffs again and have
a deep run and retire while their team looks like,
how are we going to play with one of the
least talented rosters in the National Football League. We don't
have a talented roster. Bill Belichick's personnel decisions have not
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panned out. Bob Craft, who is already antsy and has
talked about making the playoffs and making sure we're showing
signs now, he and Bill Belichick are a bit at
odds over the story a week ago where Belichick said, hey,
we're one of the lowest spending teams in the league,
basically saying, hey, we're not winning because we're not spending
enough money, and Bob Craft has had to jump back
and clap back and say, no, we spent a lot
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of money. We spent a lot of money in the
offseason last year, and they have it's not going Bet
Belichick's way. He no longer has the cachet that he does,
and the level of excellence is not even close anymore.
And you look at a play last year and I
keep going back to when I knew Bill Belichick wasn't
the same guy and has lost a team that ridiculous
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lateral play in Vegas where on the final player regulation,
not overtime where they were losing or something, three players
decide it's okay to throw the football back and try
to score, and they wind up fumbling it and the
Raiders run it in for a touchdown to win the game.
That would never happen on a Belichick team. When you're
talking about what happened in the aughts and the teams
that would never happen, those guys would have all been
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cut the next day if they decided answer. Ramondre Stevenson,
as great a players as he would have been cut.
Jacoby Myers would have been cut. All those guys gone,
gone gone. You wouldn't do it, But these guys did it,
and they kept playing. It's a different time now in
New England, and everybody is antsy, and Belichick no longer
has the answers and I'll tell you at if they
don't make the playoffs this year, it's either going to
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be Belichick walking away at the end or it will
be a oh, a mutual decision for the team to
go on and Belichick will find out if he wants
to coach somewhere else again. But if they don't make
the playoffs, this is Belichick's last year or the Patriots.
Speaker 5 (20:11):
So it sounds I mean, I don't know if it's
even sounds crazy at this point. I guess just what
I would say to that is that any good will
that Bill Belichick had, Like I don't think him and
Craft were particularly close even before this, But the problem
was that he was winning so much that you know,
you don't have to you know, you don't have to
have the greatest relationship with your boss or your co
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workers or or this or that. The problem is that
you were winning so much that it didn't matter. Everybody
was winning, everybody was happy, everyone was having a good time.
And what's obviously changed is that Bill Belichick has not
been winning at a very high level post Tom Brady.
So I don't think it's crazy. I think Craft his
patients is running thin, and I think the bigger thing too, Jason,
that we haven't talked about throughout the show. What could
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happen this year that would give anyone uptimism going forward.
There's nothing Bill O'Brien can do as the offensive coordinator,
I believe, and maybe I'm proven wrong on this. I
don't think I will be. There's nothing Bill O'Brien can
do as the offensive coordinator that's gonna make us think, Okay,
Mac Jones a year from now, even if this season
doesn't go well, is a guy that can compete at
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the highest level with Joe Burrow and Josh Allen in
this conference, Patrick Mahomes, Justin Herbert going forward, Trevor Lawrence.
So that's the bigger problem. You know, Belichick for years
has not drafted well, specifically at the skill positions. Just
not a very talented team across the board. And so
I think that by the way, free agent signings have
not gone well. So I'm going on and on, But
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the point I'm trying to make is I don't think
the relationship was ever that good between Belichick and Craft,
but it was overridden by the fact that they were
winning so much that winning cures all. But now they
don't they probably haven't had a good relationship for a while,
they're not winning, and Jason, if they go seven and whatever,
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seven and ten this year, which seems perfectly reasonable to me,
and that's probably on the high side of what to expect.
What is Bill Belichick go to Robert Craft and say
in terms of, well, if we just do this one thing,
we're good to go during the offseason. I don't think
it's there. They're not a step away. They're not a
player away, they're not a position group away. They're like
a roster away. I mean, they really are, right. I mean,
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you know, you think about I'm just trying to think
off the top of my head. But you know, a
few years ago, Burrow was like, Okay, we got to
show up the offensive line. If we do that, we're
good to go. Certain you know, to a we're gonna
find out if he's a good quarterback because we're gonna
give him all the wide receivers. What is the thing
that is going to happen this year where Bill Belichick
can say, hey, we're this one thing away. I don't
see it, Jason, And because of it, I think your
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proclamation that this very likely is his last year. I
don't think it's shocking at all for you to say.
Speaker 9 (22:49):
That, farewell Bill Belichick. Well, we'll always have the Super
Bolts with Brady. Get ready do or die for Belichick?
We have that big Hall of Fame today bait coming
up in ninety s.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
Belichick first, Okay, I'll give you that he is in
the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 5 (23:05):
Okay, Oh, we're not going to debate that one.
Speaker 3 (23:06):
No, no, no.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
Different guy that we're going to debate Hall of Fame.
But first, Monty Belagos, who is in.
Speaker 3 (23:11):
All of our Halls of Fame? Hall of Fames. I'm
Alls of Fames.
Speaker 10 (23:15):
I'm glad.
Speaker 5 (23:17):
My book, I'm glad my book.
Speaker 11 (23:20):
I'm glad to hear you're not going to debate Bill
Belichick because I would have just stopped you.
Speaker 10 (23:23):
Guys, guys, don't debate that one.
Speaker 5 (23:25):
Do you hear my hot take from Friday?
Speaker 10 (23:27):
What's your hot take from Friday?
Speaker 5 (23:29):
Jokic was ducking Wemby at Summer League. I was like, wait,
we were just coming up with the craziest hot takes
we should come up with, and I was like, why
is yokichen Serbia right now? Is he ducking Wemby? And
then that became like a thing throughout the.
Speaker 3 (23:40):
Show that that was a great hot to. I love
that one.
Speaker 12 (23:42):
Nice he's dunking of My hot take is I don't
get why we're not talking about chet Holmgren when he's
gonna be Rooky of the year.
Speaker 5 (23:49):
I was gonna say, that's my take, skinny seven foot
three guy that we really need to be watching.
Speaker 10 (23:54):
Guess that's what I've been saying.
Speaker 11 (23:56):
And I do think he has a huge advantage when
you sit out in entire year, but on an NBA
team from the sideline.
Speaker 10 (24:03):
You have a massive advantage.
Speaker 5 (24:05):
Well, I told Jason this on what was it Friday
or Thursday, Jason, But like the thing is like everyone's like, oh,
he gained twenty pounds or whatever. This is jet And
it's like part of why he was able to gain
that weight was because he wasn't playing. When you're true,
when you're playing and you're running up and down and
every yes, so many thousands of calories you're burning every day.
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It's like, I think that's gonna be the problem with Wenby.
It's like I think people are just like, well, check
gain twenty pounds after a year, So Wemby's going to
and it's like, well, Chet didn't play, he could just
live in the weight room. I don't think Wemby's gonna
be able to do that.
Speaker 11 (24:36):
And Wemby apparently though, eats every time he can, like
he's gonna yeah, yeah, he's every time he can. He eats,
is what he says, Like wake up, I eat right
before practice, I eat, after practice, I eat, I go.
Speaker 10 (24:48):
To bed, I eat.
Speaker 11 (24:49):
Like all he does is eat, and so I don't
know if he's gonna be able to gain the weight.
Speaker 5 (24:54):
That's the thing, like you said, everyone's like, oh, you know,
because this happened with Kad is like, oh, just give
him a year or two. It's like, yeah, Katie's in
like you're fifteen.
Speaker 12 (25:01):
He still hasn't game with so ah, but he looks
better than when he started.
Speaker 10 (25:06):
He does. Yeah, yeah, for sure, for sure.
Speaker 11 (25:09):
Well we'll stay in the NBA for a hot second
because we're not gonna see Victor victor Ian Banyama anymore.
The Spurs are shutting him down for the rest of
summer League. Blazer's GM Joe Cronin did speak to the
media on Monday, and he said that Portland is gonna
be patient when it comes to trading Damian Lillard and.
Speaker 10 (25:25):
If it takes months, then it takes months.
Speaker 11 (25:28):
We did have the Home Run Derby and it's Vladimir
Guerrero Junior who is the champ. Finally, the Toronto Blue
Jays have a champ. It's just fatherlike son, guys, because
sixteen years ago his father won the home run Derby.
The festivities continue on Tuesday with the All Star Game.
It all takes place at e at eight pm Eastern
time on Fox. Yankees Ace Garrett Cole will be the
American League starter and he's gonna take on Arizona Diamondback
(25:51):
starter Zach Gallen.
Speaker 10 (25:53):
And you guys already talked about it.
Speaker 12 (25:54):
But Northwestern University has fired their football coach Pat Fitzgerald
following allegations of hazing in the p and a culture
of enabling racism. The Jacksonville Jaguars have assigned free agent
tight end Josh Peterson, who was the son of head
coach Doug Peterson. He also played in the USFL. And
like little Wimbledon, check guys, we have wimbled. Wimbledon still
(26:15):
going on. So on Monday, top seed Carlos Alcaraz He's
advancing to the quarterfinals with the four set victory.
Speaker 10 (26:21):
As did Novak Djokovic.
Speaker 12 (26:23):
But we got to talk about American player Chris Eubanks.
Nobody knows who he is. We shouldn't know who he is,
but he just had a mega upset over fifth seeded
step finals.
Speaker 10 (26:32):
I don't know how to say it, but you get it.
You guys get it.
Speaker 8 (26:34):
Sopos that one, Yeah, say it?
Speaker 10 (26:38):
Cypas Citypas sure.
Speaker 5 (26:40):
That like how you pronounced it? Sounds like calling for
a cast.
Speaker 11 (26:46):
And American Madison Keys on the ladies side, she's also
advancing to the quarter finals.
Speaker 10 (26:52):
Fellas, it's been fun.
Speaker 3 (26:54):
Thank you very much.
Speaker 10 (26:54):
I'm very impressed. Jason.
Speaker 11 (26:57):
Not only does he speak Spanish, he also can speak.
Speaker 10 (27:00):
Like Scooby Doo.
Speaker 12 (27:00):
Dude's Hall of Fame right here, Hall of Famer.
Speaker 5 (27:05):
That's a superhero right there, Jayson Smith.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
That's Scooby Doo in Spanish right there, Boom right there.
Speaker 5 (27:20):
Even real Scooby do isn't bilingual, so maybe he is.
Speaker 10 (27:23):
Maybe he does.
Speaker 5 (27:24):
Nick Caslanos, now think that you're a superhero, Jason.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
You know what we're gonna get. We're gonna get to
that in the play of the night. Don't worry, we
won't get to that in the play of the night dress.
Speaker 5 (27:32):
Casilano's talking about you. That's cool, it feels like it.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
So earlier in the show, we talked to Jason lock
And fora NFL Insider Odyssey Washington Post. You know, hear
him on the show every week with us. And earlier
today a debate came up. It was a great debate
because it's a Hall of Fame debate that I loved
because it was is Andrew lucka Hall of Famer? Because
it was put out on social media. Hey, this year,
(27:59):
here are some new players who are going to be
eligible for the Hall of Fame. And Andrew Luck retired
in twenty eighteen, so this year, yeah, he'll be up
in on a nice, fun July day or waiting for
teams to show up at training camp.
Speaker 3 (28:11):
Is Andrew Luck a Hall of Famer?
Speaker 1 (28:13):
Came up? And here was Jason Locking for his answer.
Let's just say he agrees with me a little bit.
Speaker 13 (28:19):
Come on, man, this is just because it's July and
there's no deflate gate this year, and there's no bounty
gate this year, or there's no you know, there's no
Deshaun Watson waiting on us. You know, discipline, there's nothing
going on. I mean that's that. This is that we
were in the twelve to fifteen day stretch where possibly
(28:41):
nothing happens in the NFL, and then what veterans report
around the twenty fifth, twenty six most places, and away
we go. There is no there's there's no debate here.
Speaker 6 (28:51):
The honky kunk man himself, Jim Mersey, would he even
try to make.
Speaker 13 (28:54):
The case that Andrew Luck's a Hall of Famer?
Speaker 14 (28:57):
I mean, how can you even like? This isn't Sandy Kofax,
you know what I mean? The guy came in, played
five or six years, was hurt a ton in the
last two or three? What are we talking about? Like
hall of fame? He wouldn't even be on all decade team.
How can this be at debate?
Speaker 5 (29:17):
I mean, I would debate he was one of the best.
I mean if he if he has to retire because
of literal injuries that don't allow him to play as
opposed to retiring on his own recognisance, you don't think
there would be a healthy conversation about it.
Speaker 6 (29:31):
Jason, what's the signature moment of his career?
Speaker 5 (29:34):
I mean he went to what four playoff appearances?
Speaker 1 (29:38):
Okay, the comeback the comeback win, the comeback win against
the Chiefs.
Speaker 3 (29:42):
That's probably it, okay, other than nocuse. Look, I'm with you.
I don't think he's a Hall of Famer. He's he's
very good.
Speaker 14 (29:50):
And played into his second contract.
Speaker 1 (29:52):
I mean, you know what, he was great at my
favorite and Luck was always boy the culture losing forty
one to ten in the third quarter and then the
final score to be like forty five thirty one, and
he would end up with four touchdowns and three hundred
and fifty yards like but the look, but the.
Speaker 3 (30:06):
Game was over.
Speaker 1 (30:06):
It was forty one to ten in the third quarter,
and he gets like three garbage touchdowns in.
Speaker 3 (30:10):
The fourth quarter.
Speaker 6 (30:11):
I think he's a hell of a player. I mean,
if you want to make an argument, you think he
was on possibly a potential Hall of Fame Marc. I
mean i'd say, well, probably still a little premature, but maybe.
I mean it's possible. But no, I don't, I don't
know how Like no, I just don't see it. I mean,
(30:38):
I know I'm not feeling it.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
So Jason lockerforward does not agree with you, Aeron Torres,
because I know you like Luck for the Hall of Fame,
and I could I could make an argument form if
for his six years and he was in the league,
he was great for all of them, but he was
only great for.
Speaker 5 (30:57):
Half the time.
Speaker 3 (30:58):
I mean, I can't.
Speaker 1 (30:59):
I can't put him in the Hall of Fame because
he had a good rookie year, right, twenty three touchdowns,
eighteen picks. It was different because other rookies have come
in and not played as well. And you know, look
guys like Zach Wilson come in and throw six touchdowns
over sixteen games, but still that's not a great year.
His second year was an okay, you're still only through
twenty three touchdowns through less picks, but that's not Hall
of fame. Then he wound up having two phenomenal years
(31:22):
and one really good one right where he had forty
touchdowns thirty nine touchdowns and the really good was thirty
one and thirteen through a lot of picks. But okay,
I don't really care that much about the interceptions.
Speaker 3 (31:32):
But the other years.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
Then he had a year who was fifteen touchdowns and
twelve picks in seven games. It was just an okay year.
His overall quarterback rating isn't even ninety. I mean that,
you know, there's you have a quarterback rating of ninety
in the NFL right now, you are not holding onto
your job. You're getting benched. If your quarterback rating is NINETYX,
I mean you're not you're not playing well. I really
have a hard time putting him in. If he had
(31:53):
six great years and he walked away, Okay, I would say,
you're right. If he had six years and four if
he he had of the three years he had, right,
he had the two great years, I said, off forty
and thirty nine touchdowns at thirty one touchdowns. If he
had two years of forty touchdowns, two years of thirty
nine and two years to thirty one, Yes, hall of Famer.
I'd put him in. I say yes, But that was
only half his career and he got hurt and he
(32:16):
decided to leave early. So yeah, I don't see there
any way that I could put him in the Hall
of Fame. And I feel like the two groups of
people that are discussing him for the Hall of Fame
are either people who just liked him because he has
a great image. We talked about his image. He has
one of those images that fans and the media just
seemed to love. He could do no wrong or if
(32:37):
you're looking for the you know, hey, here's two sides
of a story, and I'll take the tiny, the tiniest
one of it. Even though like ninety five percent say
no Hall of Fame, I'll take the five percent that
say yes, Hall of Fame because I'll stand out for it.
Speaker 3 (32:50):
It's hard for me to see it. I know you
have some different things on it, but it's hard for
me to see that.
Speaker 5 (32:55):
Yeah. First of all, I am the maybe the small
percent that doesn't really love him, nor do I loathe
him for deciding to retire when he obviously still could
have kept playing. You know, first of all, he did
have a couple of great years. You know, I just
looked it up. There's only nine quarterbacks besides him that
have thrown for forty touchdowns in a season. I know,
(33:15):
part of it is the era that we're playing in,
and you know, if he played in nineteen sixty eight,
you know whatever, he wouldn't have done that. But the
point remains, I mean, all those guys are essentially Hall
of famers, Dan Marino, Aaron Rodgers, Drew Brees, Peyton Manning,
Tom Brady, guys like that. And I just sit there
and say like like to me in that very narrow window.
(33:37):
Was he one of the dudes? I think he was.
I think he had less talent around him than virtually
all of these guys that were talking about from his
own era. Made the playoffs four times and essentially five
seasons that he was full, health fully healthy AFC Championship game.
And there have been other great players who have retired
early in their careers that we never questioned it. Calvin
(33:57):
Johnson went into the Hall of Fame a few years ago.
Jim Brown obviously, you know, unfortunately recently passed away. But
this was a conversation throughout his life. Is he stepped
away from football at twenty nine, thirty years old. And
so I just sit there and say, I get your
point that we can't project out how great he could
have been if he kept playing. But I'm not going
to hold it against him that he chose actively to leave.
(34:19):
What he did in his very small window of time,
he was amongst the best. I believe he should be
a Hall of Famer.
Speaker 1 (34:26):
Twitter at how about a Fresca Aaron and Aaron underscore
Torres Andrew Lack hall of Famer?
Speaker 3 (34:30):
Oh I love this debate.
Speaker 1 (34:32):
Coming up next we have the Play of the Night
coming your way, Hey, which may be the greatest debate
we've had on this show over the course of the
past couple of weeks.
Speaker 3 (34:40):
Keep it right here, Jason Smith. Aeron Torre is in
for Mike Carmon. This is Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (34:46):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Jason Smith
Show with Mike Harmon weekdays at ten pm Eastern seven
pm Pacific.
Speaker 15 (34:53):
Hey, it's Ben, host of The Fifth Hour with Ben
Maller with mean a lot to have you join us
on our weekly auditory journey.
Speaker 4 (35:00):
You're asking, what in God's name is the Fifth Hour.
Speaker 15 (35:02):
I'll tell you it's a spin off of it Ben
Mather Show, a Colt hit overnights on FSR.
Speaker 4 (35:08):
Why should you listen? Picture if you will?
Speaker 15 (35:10):
A world will We chat with captains of industry in media,
sports and more every week explore some amazing facts about
human nature and more. Listen to The Fifth Hour with
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Speaker 4 (35:21):
Podcast or wherever you get your podcast.
Speaker 1 (35:25):
Fox Sports Radio. The Jason Smith Show with Aaron Torres
in for Mike Harmon. And before we get to the
Play of the Night, you know I hate to say.
Speaker 3 (35:33):
I told you so, but I really don't know you
don't you? No, No, not really, nah, I don't really.
Speaker 1 (35:39):
On Friday Night, we told you. Look, this is how
the Damian Lillard story is going to end. He's going
to get his trade to Miami, but it's gonna take
a while because Miami doesn't have enough to give the
Blazers back what they want.
Speaker 3 (35:51):
They want a lot right now.
Speaker 1 (35:52):
They want two really good young players and draft picks
and a couple of other additional players. They're not going
to get that. They're throwing out there seeing what they're there.
They're going fishing, and the Heat don't have what they
want because the Blazers don't want Tyler Hero or his
bucket hat. They want neither of those. So it's gonna
take a little while. We told you it may take
the rest of the summer into the fall, because they're
(36:14):
gonna have to find not just a third team, but
maybe a fourth team who's looking to move on from
a contract to make something happen, because that will be
able to get the Blazers the one really good young
player or two young players they want, and Lillard will
wind up with the Heat As a result, it's going
to happen, but it's gonna take a while. It's not
gonna happen right away. Well, what do we find out today?
(36:36):
According to Blazers GM Joe Cronin, the trade of Damian
Lillard could take days, weeks, months, It could take months
to complete. I think what I've learned more than anything
is patients is critical. Don't be reactive. Don't jump at
things just to seemingly solve a problem. We told you
I could be an NBA insider, erintorius. I don't need
(36:58):
to be Adrian waj Jerowski anybody else. I get to say, hey,
I'm smart, I know what's going on. I know how
this is gonna go. I know what the heat roster
looks like. I know what they can and can't give.
This is gonna take a while, it's gonna take a
third team, it's gonna take a few months.
Speaker 3 (37:10):
Boom here, I am. I should be NBA insider.
Speaker 5 (37:13):
I mean, you gave yourself seven different titles with that,
while also being humble and saying I didn't want to
tell you that I was one hundred percent correct on this,
but I was.
Speaker 4 (37:24):
No.
Speaker 5 (37:27):
You're right, though, you're right, and you you've been right
because you did call this out on Friday night, and
it's one where I think that you know, in the
world that we live in, in this debate world of sports,
talk ate like like you have to pick aside your
team Dame, your team Blazers, and like I get both sides.
Like if your Dame, you're sitting there saying I've been
(37:49):
here eight, ten, twelve years, whatever it's been. I've been
a good soldier. I've done everything that's asked. I've gone
through two, three, four, you know, rebirths of this organization
under your watch. I've given you the benefit of the
time and time again you let me down. And I
don't want to go to Philadelphia to this place, to
that place. I don't care if this team offers you this,
I'm not gonna report. I get where Dame Lillard has
(38:11):
two three years left of his prime, if that he says,
I want a chance to compete at the highest level
with the guys that I want to compete with. But
I also understand exactly what Joe Cronin said on on
on Monday Monday afternoon, which is like, hey, we got
to do what's best for this organization, Dame. We appreciate
everything that you've done, but at the same time, it
is also on us to do what's best for this
organization once you leave.
Speaker 3 (38:31):
Jason, Yeah, what you got, Frostberg.
Speaker 8 (38:33):
If you're an NBA insider, I have your first breaking story.
Speaker 3 (38:36):
Okay, what is it? What do you got? You gotta you.
Speaker 8 (38:39):
Gotta get the James Harden the Necks out there.
Speaker 3 (38:41):
I no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no no.
Speaker 8 (38:43):
I gotta break that story.
Speaker 3 (38:44):
If you're an NBA inside, I'm gonna put it out there.
It's not happening.
Speaker 8 (38:46):
No, we're not the first story you gotta break.
Speaker 1 (38:49):
No, no, no, James Hardens Harden to the Knicks is
not happening. I gotta put that. No, that's a breaking story.
If I put it out there, they are not going
to trade for James Harden.
Speaker 5 (38:57):
Well, I think you did just break your first story.
And that said, it's been well documented that the heat
that the Portland Trailblazers don't want Tyler Hero. I have
yet to hear anyone talk about the bucket hat until
you just said it. You said they don't want Tyler
Hero or his bucket hat. So that was news to me.
I think that's your first scoop. Officially.
Speaker 3 (39:14):
All right, fine, there we go.
Speaker 1 (39:16):
I got it, all right, very good, all right, so
that'll be my first tweet.
Speaker 3 (39:19):
But James Harden is not a Nick Harden.
Speaker 13 (39:21):
Not.
Speaker 1 (39:21):
I gotta and you know what I gotta like how
people sign their emails and text with the same with
the saying like hey, you know, don't be don't fall asleep.
Speaker 3 (39:30):
You know, the early bird gets the worm.
Speaker 1 (39:32):
I gotta sign it with It's just gonna sit there
and say, James Harden's not gonna be a nick not
gonna be a knock beat. Time now for the Play
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(39:53):
comes to us courtesy of Nick Costianos, and no, not
that Nick Costeano's play. In advance of the All Star
he was asked a very important question about superheroes, and
he responded with this.
Speaker 16 (40:06):
Everyone was asked their favorite superheroes. You said, Scooby Doo. Sure,
I didn't realize Scooby Doo was a superhero. Can you
kind of explain his superhero lore?
Speaker 17 (40:14):
I mean, well, first off, he's a dog, right, and
he can talk fair enough, okay, and and he saves
he solves mysteries. So I think that a dog that
can talk and helps people by saving, by solving mysteries,
I think is a superhero.
Speaker 16 (40:33):
Checks off all the superhero box. It says special skills
and he helps people.
Speaker 3 (40:37):
Correct checks all the superhero box. He's a talking dog.
That should be the end.
Speaker 1 (40:41):
You're a super if you're a talking dog, one hundred percent.
And though all Hawkeye does is shoot a bow and
arrow and he's an Avenger, all right, we can have
you know, guys, I'm a bow an hour away from
being Hawkeye. So you know, know, if he's a talking
dog and he solves mysteries, he's a superhero. He can
take Hawkeye's place in the Avengers. Hawkeye and Natasha both
their places. He could take in the Avengers because he's
(41:03):
he's got a superhero powers and they don't.
Speaker 5 (41:04):
But it's because he solves crimes too, because like Brian
the dog on Family Guy, he can talk, but he's
not a superhero, right.
Speaker 1 (41:11):
Right, right, But like like like Ted's not like Ted's
not a superhero. I mean, come on, he just sits
around and does nothing. No, no, no, you gotta actually do.
You have to have a superpower and you got to
do something for the power of goods too.
Speaker 3 (41:23):
Oh well, yeah, but he's not. He's that's a detective.
Speaker 7 (41:26):
If I pride myself and think of myself as a
stop man of faith.
Speaker 5 (41:37):
Just a guy never stops being funny.
Speaker 3 (41:40):
My goodness.
Speaker 1 (41:41):
Our best of podcast goes up in about ten minutes
on iTunes wherever you listen to to the show, get
your podcast, it's there. The Jason Smith Show with Mike
Carmon at awesome, Thank you so much. Lastly, nights Man,
as the Mets continue to play, We'll talk.
Speaker 5 (41:55):
I appreciate you.
Speaker 3 (41:56):
Coming up next my buddy Ben Mallor This is Fox
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